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crime directly to the killer who may be in this [Music] room only a coward would do such a
thing what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murdered two little girls only a coward would do such a thing don't give up we will not
[Music] stop Doug Carter and he has taken the stand we'll take a listen in to the deli Community how grateful I
am you um you inspire people that you don't even understand and you don't even understand why
uh information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours of
extraordinary investigative efforts by Deli Caroll County the FBI the Indiana State Police and countless
other agencies this community surrounded us some 26 months ago and you did everything you could to
support us but most importantly you surrounded to the family of these two little
girls gosh I'll never forget it after you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your
continued support your continued understanding your empathy and compassion um as as we move forward uh
to find out who did this and we will we're seeking The public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that
was parked at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Deli that was abandoned on the east side of County
Road 300 North next to the Hooser Heartland Highway between the hours of noon to 5:
on February 14th 2017 if you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the
officers at the command post at the deli city building we are releasing additional
portions of the audio recording from that day please keep in mind the person talking is one
person and is the person on the bridge with the girls this is not two different people
speaking please listen to it very very carefully we are also releasing video recovered from Libby's
phone this video has never before been previously released the video shows a suspect walking on the
bridge when you see the video watch the watch the person's mannerisms as they walk watch the
mannerisms as he walks do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might
know remember he is walking on the former railroad bridge because of the deteriorated
condition of the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the
ties during the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become
secondary as of today the result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch
which you will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two
little girls we also believe this person is from Deli currently or has previously lived
here visits Deli on a regular basis or works here we believe this person is currently
between the age range of 18 and 40 but might appear younger than his true age D directly to the
killer who may be in this room we believe you are hiding in plain sight for more than two years you never
thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have we likely have interviewed
you or someone close to you we know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we
know and one day you will a question to you what will those closest to you think
of they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls two children only a coward would
do such a thing we are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they
know because of how different you are since the murders we try so hard to understand how a person could do
something like this to two CH to two children I recently watched a movie called The
Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil about death and about
eternity to the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure
you that how you left them in that Woods is not it's not what they're experiencing
today to the family I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be
asking that there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand
why the family found out about this about this information this morning I just want the family to know
that when I take my last breath on this Earth I'll be thinking of them there's going to be a tremendous
amount of questions I know that I know that uh never in my career have I stood in front of something like
this please be be patient with us please uh we're just beginning we we are just now beginning and I can tell you on
behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners um that have stood with us over this period of
time that we will not stop directly to the killer who maybe in this [Music] room only a coward would do such a
thing what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murdered two little girls only a coward would do such a thing don't give [Music]
up we will not [Music] stop all right me and the colonel are back in the garage talking with skip
Jansen about his Person of Interest DP and we will not stop we've been working this case since the beginning spending
hours upon hours outside of the garage talking with people and that's how we really got hooked up with Skip and his
Person of Interest there's so much to it that makes sense and so much that is still confusing but one of the things
that's confusing is why would they go with his sketch above a sketch that they had beforehand I think I think it was a
lot of it had to do what they saw on on the video they thought maybe they saw they saw an older guy and I think it's
it's important remember law enforcement was really emphasizing you know about the younger face that you know pay
attention to his what his body his moves is all of his all of that not not his face I think the the video is not a good
representation of that and but law enforcement early on thought they were looking at somebody who looked more like
what end up being the first sketch than the second sketch yeah I think when you seen the picture of BG or you see the
video of BG your mind goes towards older gentlemen you see the second sketch you
go wow that is not anything like I pictured this person be way younger I think people still believe that you know
I think they see it in their mind that they that they see an older person they and they can't get that they can't CH
they can't change that they it's just kind of burned in their in their brain yeah I still think people are baffled by
this case cuz in 2019 press conference they released the image of a way younger looking individual saying he's between
18 and 40 right well and that at that point that was when DP recanted his story and said that yeah maybe he didn't
see that guy maybe he saw flannel sh guy cuz he realized that flannel Shir guy was in close proximity to where he was
during the time on the trails or said he was so but he you know but again the scarf to me is the big takeaway if he
saw somebody with a scarf that he claimed was BG then now you're saying that you may have seen FSG was FSG
wearing a scarf as well he would have had to have been I've never heard any evidence that FSU was wearing a scarf
that day so I mean again just something else that doesn't really line up with what he's saying yeah he constantly is
changing his story uh so confusing but also the picture they released in 2019 the predominant feature to me is the
hair and there's rumors that he changed his appearance after that but but what is DP doing between 2017 and
2019 uh before that press conference oh I think that he thinks he's he's gotten away with he's Scott mean you've got a
you've got a uh sketch out there that looks nothing like him FBI said one of the things he this part might do is
change his appearance um well he wouldn't had any reason to change his appearance if the sketch didn't look
anything like him right he actually did change his appearance after the 2019 press conference and the new sketch came
out shaved his head grew a beard so that would fall in line more with what they were what they were talking about well I
also feel like at the 2019 press conference when they come out with the information about the vehicle and asking
for the driver it's almost like they know who they're talking about yeah I think I think there was a lot there were
probably questions about that vehicle and who was in that vehicle and you know when it was there and who drove it there
and all that originally and I think they probably let off with that because they
wanted him to know that they they figured out how that all you know how it all went down and that they had been
lied to about that I think that I think that's one thing I think that's one thing that people are misunderstanding
about one of the things about the case is that law enforcement I think was led astray for the first couple of years of
this case because of all this because of all the misdirection and false information they've admitted that there
were aliis that didn't didn't add up there been newspaper articles about it and so when you see that is that where
you go hey here's this guy online he's saying I'm I'm an eyewitness here's oh here's the people I
was with oh nope nope that's not who I was with I was with some other people right so now we got a guy online saying
I'm an eyewitness I was there but he's changing his story but then his aliis quote unquote his aliis would be
changing their story as well and then you see that happening online and then you see this language being used by
police is that what sparks you to go I think this guy should be a person of interest absolutely yeah I mean you know
giving law enforcement false information is a reason people do it I mean it's uh
if you come forward you're the expectation is you're telling the truth there's you know there's a there's a
reason you're trying to send him down One path and so yeah that's to answer your question yeah that's exactly why I
looked into him as a person ADV interest interest so you think 2019 they're directly talking to your Person of
Interest DP can you explain that a little bit more I think I think a lot of things I think just about everything
they said in there you know the fact that somebody this guy had been has been following the case and that's that's one
another thing is that I think one of the reasons law enforcement has been so skittish about about releasing stuff is
not because they don't have anything or not because you know they're doing it for another reason law enforcement isn't
releasing information because they know this guy is following it and using that information to his benefit okay that and
that that's pretty obvious so that's one of the things and I think that um you know the once release of the was out
there you know everything changed this guy stopped this guy was not talking anymore he uh you know didn't seem you
know so eager to get it want to get his story out there but I think everything they said in it was very pointed and at
particularly at uh at one individual and I can't get over the fact that after this press conference where they won
they're turning a new direction or taking a new Direction but they're pointing the whole conference to the
killer this is calling out the Killer and then to have this person of interest change their appearance after the press
conference I have a real hard time getting over that yeah he yeah exactly and his his hair was uh you know I Know
sketch is not a photo but his hair was would have been similar before he shaved it to what you what you saw in the
sketch when when do you do you know when he started pulling away from online chats and not not long after not long
after I don't know the exact date but not long after the uh press confence you know you mentioned you asked earlier
about one of some of the things that were said I think that you know when they said directly to the killer you
know who might be in this room you know we believe you're hiding in plain sight and the part about you never thought we
would shift gears to a different uh investigative strategy right that that goes to what I said about think he
thought he was he got away with it you never thought you know they knew that he knew there was another sketch but you
know he never thought that they were going to change to that and I think that was just I think that was them making
making him aware that uh you know kind of The Jig Is up you know they also said that you know they've likely interviewed
him we know he went and talk to law enforcement yeah uh he was making some statements about talking with law
enforcement online he stated online that he went there and talked to law enforcement a couple of times and he
stated he was there trying to help him that was his uh that was the word he used he was trying to help he was a good
Samaritan just trying to help out you know so again changes the story he was there um again changing the story
multiple times but changing his appearance we always told to look out for that and then we have a
eyewitness that is now lawyering up and pulling away from social media he certainly hasn't been making any social
media comments or anything like that like he was early in the case well I heard his name brought up with a couple
people that I've been investigating the case with and back in the day he had had
his you could see everything on his social media you could see his post you can see who he was friends with he seems
to have very you know very much so gone dark on the internet you know you can't find much about this individual you
can't see anything you can't see anything online about him at all it's almost like he went dark well and plus
he's a he's an IT person he actually when he was a sophomore junior in high school he designed the County's website
yeah it seems like he has a talent in this field which you have told me personally that you think that's the
reason why there's been so much misinformation from the beginning maybe he had access to things that other
people didn't but is this possibly the older individual that one of them was talking to online and and is he the
reason for the scrubbing of the cell phone can you explain that a little bit well she liby basically scrubbed her
phone re rebooted it restarted reset it said she have some glitches maybe that's
true maybe it's not maybe uh maybe she had been talking with somebody online certainly someone with computer skills
would know the reason to you know why you would why you would uh reset your phone like that to get rid of any
information or or uh any trail of people you've been talking with well one of the
things that I brought up to in one of our discussions is we know that SnapChat photos were being posted posted we know
that one was posted at roughly I think [Music] 27 right I believe is the time but y
there's no mention about did they take a couple pictures beforehand and post those did they take a couple pictures
after those and post those we're not privy to that information I'm assuming if people were saying well they were
walking on the bridge and talking and taking pictures and they were at the the park for a while already I'm assuming
that there was a couple Snapchats already uploaded but that doesn't matter if you are following them then you'd be
able to do a search and you would have seen their avatars at the park correct that's right
yeah and basically if you're in Deli even some of the furthest po points you're talking about a 15 to 20 minute
drive to get there right so did this person of interest interest was he there uh like law enforcement says if that car
isn't connected to the killer at 12 or 1:00 maybe because maybe it was set up that way or maybe it's a situation where
the person was tracking them through snapchat yeah it's that's yeah it's very possible he would uh uh and then you
know like you said he would be just a minute's Drive short minute drive away from being able to to uh uh access the
bridge from anywhere you know in that area so well we know that DP knew their family they they knew the victim DP
knows one yeah yeah one of the things he says on on social media is that he knew
the girls and he had ridden the bus with them before I think he lived maybe half
a mile but uh admitted to knowing the family yeah I don't know how well you know I don't know how well they were
different ages think DP at the time was 22 or 23 obviously he was you know seven
or eight years older than Abby or Libby would have been so but we believe that DP rode the bus with Libby lived within
a couple miles from them also dp's sister-in-law was one of their softball coaches yeah dp's brother Quenton wife
was was liby soft one of liby softball coaches why haven't we arrested if if everything that you guys are saying is
in fact true it doesn't seem like that difficult of a case and where I'm going with that
is a couple things okay so we can we can sit here and analyze and question and speculate as to why
Libby reset her phone but what we do what I what I want to make sure that we're really touching on is there are
facts there are a lot of facts that are known in this case it just takes a lot of different locations and a lot of
different places to peel them from and piece them together now in regards to her phone the the statement from Libby's
family was that the phone was actually a factory reset that was conducted by Tara
her aunt right and the they the phone required the reset because the phone was not working properly because it was an
iPhone 6 and everybody remembers old phones they fill up very quickly with too much stuff
and they have no memory left and then they don't work at all and part of the reason why they had trouble locating the
girls was that there was apps you know find my phone and and things like that on on the phone but because of that
factory reset those apps had not been uploaded once again to the phone right so we we know that the factory reset
happened we know that terara was the one according to Libby's family was the one
that conducted the factory reset okay that's where that's where I question a little
bit it how much was if we're if we're Mak if we're going to make the leap and say that Libby was
hiding something you're missing the fact that she asked for the factory reset no I'm
not missing that fact I obviously she she would have had to have a conversation with somebody M for it to
be conducted she didn't do the factory reset because she didn't know how to right yeah I think that I think
again you know she would have lost everything she would lost all you know she she liked to take pictures and
photograph I think she would have lost all of that I think the the first question would have been you know if
you're having a glitch how do I say how do I save all my photos and all that kind of stuff I don't want to get rid of
but what we've been told is that she just asked for a reset I mean I'm not saying I'm not saying they're lying I'm
not saying that they're lying I'm saying that uh I think there's a reason for the
reset maybe the reason than just a glitch some a girl that age to take all her photos she would lose all that I
mean that seems uh more problematic to me than and that factory reset happened 10 days before right that's right
murders the other thing that I do want to make sure that we bring up as well is that the family has gone on the record
saying that of course Libby was on Facebook Snapchat Twitter and Instagram and her Becky and
Mike had her her passwords as well as they were friends on all four yeah I you know I
don't know that that that's that the phone is a huge piece of evidence in this case I think it it may explain the
you know the fact that she that somebody that somebody knew she was going to be there that day or or or and she had been
uh speaking with someone but I don't know that that you know I don't because I don't think it there's anything uh
absolute about it I don't think you can draw anything abs flute coming out you know cuz he you know he this guy's
admitted he knew her M you know so it's not like he was uh he was that secret about that yeah and I believe at one
point he was friends with Libby on Facebook yeah so you know I I think again I think
Nick's point is very valid it's like well if you just believe everything she said she reset this phone because there
was a glitch she still she would have still had to do all that stuff and maybe she said look this phone is constantly
not working I don't care if it saves any of the stuff I just want my phone to work yeah so yeah and I want I want to
be clear here I'm not challenging either one of you guys I'm just what I'm pointing out or challenging the theory
itself I mean there could be any Mill there could be a million reasons why she wanted the there could be a million
reasons why she wanted the phone reset all I'm trying to do as we lay out this theory is there again there are known
facts or statements from the family and from other indiv ual and I want to make sure that we presenting that from all
sides so we're throwing speculation here it's it's it's more than fair to do so because that's all we're left with at
this point but along the way I am going to remind of of of what few facts that we do know to be or statements from the
family I just want to make sure that I'm presenting those as we go because it'd be irresponsible to not do so uh and
then the the statement in regard to Libby's phone from law enforcement is that uh Facebook Snapchat Twitter
Instagram and all online contacts were uh things all of that was accessed analyzed and all online contacts tracked
down and interviewed the other thing when we talk about technology that's bizarre here in this case that we don't
have an arrest is that we know that ISP Indiana State Police did subpoena the phone records for any phone
that pinged with than a five mile radius of the mon in high bridge uh during that
time frame that day so they've got a a long list of of phones that they know to have been in that area at that time yeah
had be another reason for someone to come come forward knowing their phone had ping there I mean if my phone if I
knew my phone was anywhere near there and it pinged there I'd come forward too I'd just be that that goes again to
toward why would you come forward right but the reason why I'm going down this path is because it's sounding more and
more to me like this is not a random I'm looking for any type of victim here at the trail or near the
bridge it sounds it sounding more and more to me like this that one or both of these girls were targeted and yeah in my
opinion go down was definitely targeted and for it to go down that day in this manner the
perpetrator needs to know that they're going to be there that day and the phone is one way that he could have known as
the captain has pointed out now the the difficult thing too here also is the um statement from law enforcement in
regards to additional audio that was uh found on the phone from that video and to be clear
there's only one video the the the picture we have is from the video the audio we have is from that video there
was one video as far as what we've been told by law enforcement and the additional audio is briefly described as
typical girl talk but also discussing the man and where they could be going again it gets a little tricky to
me if they if one of them or both of them may have known the suspect right I mean don't don't they
say his name or or give there I mean there's there's a whole mountain of reasons why we don't have somebody in
handcuffs waiting on a trial right now yeah well in my opinion to be honest with you is the first two years of the
uh again Carter says in the press conference we're just beginning we're just now beginning okay that tells me
let's throw away the first two years somebody duped law enforcement into believing something that was they went
down the wrong path yeah they went down the wrong path and gave this guy two years to cover every track to get rid of
every piece of evidence to get his story right to follow the case which they have
uh talked about numerous times that they they know this guy is keeping up with the case following
it and uh so that first two years plus another thing that that hasn't been discussed is if this guy has
brought in as a witness okay they're they possibly have some Miranda issues this guy wasn't read
his rights before he uh start before he just you know when he said he went in to
help law enforcement that you know is that is that are they going to have do they does
the district attorney think realize that and does law enforcement or the police realize that ISP and and Carol County
realized that hey we may have some Miranda problems because this guy was interviewed as a witness and anything he
said whether we think it's a lie or not can't be used because he wasn't read his
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that you talked about is well why would they go with dp's version of the sketch as opposed to somebody
else and it could be the small town Factor DP comes from um prominent family and you think that played into
some of their decisions or also the fact that he did work for the county when he
was in high school yeah he like I said he designed the uh uh County website and yeah I
think that I think again I think the the uh small town aspect in this case can't
be overplayed I mean I think it's just is I think it's huge and how small town people feel and if law enforcement saw a
kid coming from a prominent family who everybody knows who says he's a witness there's no reason for them not to
believe it and I think in 2018 when the when the Georgia Bureau of Investigation
got involved because they wanted to they were doing a peer review and wanted a fresh set of eyes I think that's
probably the time that they realized something doesn't add up with these stories something doesn't add up with
your witness story something doesn't add up about the vehicle something doesn't add up about the
timeline and they were able to take the bias and the Prejudice out of it that the local guys may have had that hey it
couldn't be this guy because like it or not that happens I mean law law enforcement makes mistakes just like
everybody else you know they're human and when the gbi came in they were able to take the bias out of it and I think
that's when they realized that hey maybe the stories that we've been told we've been LED down the
wrong path we've been uh we've been lied to and that's and that's why then you know not shortly thereafter uh at the
beginning of 2019 in April they they do the press conference and release the new
sketch a SK a SK again a sketch they had two three or four days after the murders
you know and again they I think they released the first one because the older sketch because they thought that was
more along the lines of what they were seeing on the video and they had Witnesses who said they saw him so that
that seems like the likely that seems like the obvious way to go right is to release that one that's the guy when the
gbi came in and they looked over everything they realized hey we you know things aren't the way they seem and that
sketch that we had originally is more in line with who we think this guy is and I I wonder if that
if at that point did did they go over multiple interviews or did they re because because Carter
had said this multiple times when we you know run out of leads we go back to the
beginning and right at some point exctly that's a good point Y when they went back to the beginning and and maybe I
mean we have online DP saying that I've talked to law enforcement multiple times
well is it right was it the second time that talked to you that your story didn't make sense with your first story
or that Cheyenne's story didn't match your story or Cheryl's story didn't match her story or Shelby hicks's story
didn't match her story right yeah I think I think that the time the timeline is the most important thing because
again I go back to what I said originally about the per not wanting to be under that bridge between 2:30 and
3:30 you know DP admitted to a source that he was the reason that or he was part of the arguing
couple okay and the reason reason for that was he explained it as that they explained away why the girl he was with
didn't see BG they said they ran into BG or BG walked past them the girl he was with didn't see her and the reason was
was because they were arguing okay now if you're part of the arguing couple and Derek runs into FSG around 320 and he's
coming from the Highbridge and tells Derek that he had just heard an arguing couple under the bridge but just before
that puts arguing couple guy under that bridge around 3:00 right but that's what
he said online but what is he saying to law enforcement we don't know right right he
says I'm part of arguing couple well who's the girl you're with well it was my fiance and they go talk to her and
she goes I wasn't there yeah well it was this girl uh because then that would have made
basically the first time they ever talked to him uh suspicious right but but I think that's
really why he jumps out to me is when he's constantly changing his stories online and you can actually see what he
posted and go well that doesn't make any sense with the last thing he posted and
this guy's also claiming to be there also claiming to be an eyewitness but like you said okay I'm part of arguing
couple that's under the bridge about 3:00 anything under the bridge to me as part of the crime scene because we have
we have the audio clip of them saying of of the murderer saying guys down the hill correct and we know that uh the
most likely way they got to where they ended up uh where they were found would have been down the
hill by Under the Bridge uh you know down across that private drive over the creek and then to the final spot um so
yeah he would have known definitely that you know they would have definitely known he was there at that time or he
would definitely have been there at that time if he's if he's admitting to being
uh arguing couple maybe maybe that was the uh statement that was problematic in terms of you know hey you know I used it
to explain away why the girl didn't see it but it's backfired because of what FSG and that and also May tie into to
why he says why he recanted about the original and said maybe he thought he saw FSG he's trying you know because he
knows that puts him there in that spot and again that's the last place the per wants to be is near that bridge under
that bridge between 2:30 and 3:30 so one thing I'm a little unclear on of here skip is the
uh regardless of what girl he what woman he claims he was there with has this woman been identified and saying that
they were there with DP that day she hasn't come out publicly no now what's been said like you know like the captain
said what's been talked about to law enforcement I don't know but she nobody's publicly come out and said they
were with DP that day okay so if he is if he was in fact there by himself M that seems a possibility we don't have
anybody stating I was the person he claimed to have been there with in either story correct cuz both stories
have him with somebody else correct but when Cheyenne sees him is he with somebody she says he's with yeah she's
his one corroborating but again there's nobody there to that says they saw her we don't know that she was there and her
story's changed um multiple times you know her her story carries a little weight because of the posting of that
picture but if you look at yeah yeah you'd have to you'd have to uh decide for yourself whether you think the
legitimacy of that photo I mean I'm not saying it's not it's a real photo I'm not we don't we don't know 100%
everything about it uh she said she went there to take photos that day and she she showed just a couple of pictures I
mean what you know seems like you'd take you would take a lot if you went there to take photos well there was stuff that
was wrong with the timestamps too right yeah her the time stamp said an hour difference than uh what she claimed it
was see I thought she had posted something she did she just that was the problem it didn't it did that time
didn't line up with what the Tim stamp said well because at some point she's posting from across the bridge close to
the murder scene yes from the southide yeah I think you know one of the one of the things that I think people have
questions about is is well why didn't they you know why didn't they Grill him and all that kind of stuff again early
on law enforcement was looking for rsos they had there was a serial killer Theory possibly FBI is putting out for
Flyers all over the country they were going down a totally different Road they were they were looking for an older guy
possibly a like I said a serial killer sexual offender they weren't looking for you know some someone in their 20s
locally and so the folks of the investigation again that's why Carter said we're just now beginning in the
2019 press conference is because the information that they gathered over that period of time changed
and that's why the emphasis was on he's local he's younger and we have a sketch of him what
is Cheyenne's motivation for pretending to be there that day I don't know 100% I don't I don't uh I
wouldn't even really venture to guess what somebody reason somebody give somebody an alibi I mean people do it
all the time they do it for love fear money wait a second hang on because the her motivation for pretending to be
there that day they would be giving DP and Alibi if in fact that's not been made clear to
anybody listening yet that that so your your thought is that Cheyenne was with DP that day uh no no okay I don't know I
don't again until until somebody verifies that they saw her there I don't know that she was there at all but what
would be her motivation for pretending to be there uh like I said it could be numerous things you know people people
provide Alibi for other people all the time yeah she she could have been doing it as a as uh it may have been
innocently at first it may have been you know she he thought she he needed an well he knew he needed an alibi but if
he went to law enforcement and say he was there somebody's got to play somebody's got to say yeah I saw him
there so he can't go and say can't put himself in the middle of the crime scene so he puts himself in a different spot
but that's got to be corroborated he knows that so but but what's weird to me about DP being there and and like again
Cheyenne is just the fact that there's nobody that is saying that we saw him there I
mean he's admitting to be being there so we can assume he's there right but nobody is saying that they saw him where
their story hasn't changed or hasn't been contradicted in some way that's right that's exactly right I'm getting a
little lost here because but but I agree with Nick where it's like okay but so her stories don't line up but why would
she even say at all that she was there why would she say that she saw them at all I I mean again he could it could
have been he could have uh course her for whatever reason and you know in believe yeah look he he could he would
tell any could tell anybody hey I was there but I need somebody to say I was there you know I didn't it wasn't me
look at the video that's not me obviously um and they would buy that you know and so uh she may she may give him
an alibi you know just doing it innocently I don't know that that would still be the case um I would think that'
kind of be hard to believe that that would still be the case but uh but uh that's that could be a possible
reason that any of anybody that was giving him an alibi could have been given Alibi originally didn't realize
what they were giving an alibi for right that's fair I'm just I'm just pointing out that we're saying on with one hand
that if DP says he was there then we should believe that to be true but if Cheyenne says she was there we shouldn't
believe it to be true or we should question it well what I think we should question more is not say so much whether
or not she was there but what we do know is based off what she's told people online and what the these posts and
these other things the the timeline is very contradicted so I would say I'd go to as far as say DP has said he's there
he said he's eyewitness Cheyenne has come forward and told talked to a bunch of sources online and said that she was
an eyewitness not to bridge guy but that she saw DP there right right I I question more her
timeline and so so if she says well I saw DP there okay you saw DP there and it doesn't even matter if you
saw him with a girl because if she saw him at 2:00 with a girl and it's at a distance we don't
know if that's not Libby or Abby right we don't know where she's saying that she saw him at and so that's
all I'm saying is that we know that her story has shifted and morphed so I just don't I I don't even know if she's
essentially lying for DP I think she might just be you know oh why yeah I saw him at three but really it was four or
maybe it was two we don't we don't know well ask yourself why she was talking publicly anyway I mean she didn't see BG
never claimed to CBG so her her uh basically her existence in the case uh is explaining who she saw that day so
she's coming forward and saying who she saw she did she didn't see the bridge guy so she offers nothing in terms of a
witness to seeing the guy who you know but she is saying oh and she's trying to you know she's putting people in certain
places oh I saw this guy and he was with this girl and I saw a girl that I didn't
know was going to be there um so for me that that's that's best she's doing is just is uh witnessing
Witnesses yeah but she also could be just coming online because there's such a fascination with this case yeah and
that she I think I think she was talk she started talking though early before the case ever got to a point where it
was had gotten crazy like this but but have I been bamboozled because the information I have says that Cheyenne
posted a picture that afternoon she did yeah so the one is that one she was there I mean that's that's what I'm
trying to get to here we're we're circling around this a lot about whether she was there or not but that doesn't
that posting of the picture add to credibility of her physically being there that
afternoon maybe maybe not I mean the picture didn't look like it was even from the same day as a matter of
fact what I was asking yeah it looked like it had fog in it it also um the Tim stamp that originally she showed on the
picture didn't line up when she with when she said she was there she possibly could have been there could have been
early or whatever um but even even if it wasn't let's say she's off by an hour let's say she's off by 7 hour so I I'm
not really I don't really care about that what I'm what I'm trying to point out is that we know she posted a picture
that afternoon claiming to be there what I'm getting at is for for someone to go
oh well I just want to be a part of this it gets a little difficult to you can't
go back in time and post that picture to add to your credibility later that you were in fact there because that
afternoon nobody knows what had happened it's not an event yet it's not it's nothing yet yeah um we don't know until
that evening that they're in fact missing we don't know until but the killer day noon the next day that they
were K they were killed but the killer right but we need to say that here rather than dance around it you know we
we need to be presenting a direct story with timeline and narrative uh for this this series yeah she she offered up the
photo as as as proof that she was there because this isn't the first time anybody's questioned her story and not
making sense yeah but I think what Nick is trying to point out is yeah she offered up a photo of proof but didn't
she also post that photo the day of the murders on her social media uh she posted she said she posted it um yeah I
think maybe I think that was the one where the time frame was just a little or the time stamp was off again she's
she she did come at fortn but she her story is is always made sense where she say she is at a certain time has never
made sense um again I go back to that why you know you're coming forward but why are you tell why are you saying
things that don't add up and and and changing your story and all that I I don't I don't understand that yeah the
story is not making sense so many people have multiple contradicting stories when
you have three stories only one of them can be true why would you protect somebody that murdered a 13 and
14-year-old girl absolutely makes no sense it makes you as big of a piece of [ __ ] as the
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Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. We are joined in the Garage by Skip Jansen to discuss a new suspect and a theory that is catching fire! Previous Delphi Murders True Crime Garage coverage includes the following… Delphi Murders /// A New Suspect episodes 486 & 487 - Delphi Murders /// 4 Years Later episodes 468 & 469 - Delphi Murders Discussion episode 395 - Delphi Murders /// Off the Record episodes 321 & 322 - Delphi Murders Revisited episodes 320 & 321 - Delphi Murders episodes 110 & 111

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Delphi murders, new evidence, and inconsistencies in witness statements, particularly regarding person of interest DP.

Key points

A Direct Message to the Killer. Law enforcement addresses the suspect directly, emphasizing their determination to find him.
The Search for Justice. A community stands united in the search for answers about the tragic murders.
New Investigative Strategies. Authorities reveal a shift in their approach to solving the case, raising the stakes.
The Factory Reset Mystery. Libby's phone was factory reset just days before her murder, raising questions about its timing.
Targeted Victims?. Evidence suggests that Libby and Abby may have been targeted rather than random victims.
Law Enforcement's Mistakes. The investigation faced significant challenges, including potential biases and misdirection.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Only a coward would do such a thing.

A powerful statement directed at the killer.

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