Delphi Murders /// Under The Bridge /// Part 2 | Forensic Files

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crime directly to the killer who may be in this room only a coward would do such a thing
what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls
only a cow wouldn't do such a thing don't give up [Music] we will not stop [Music]
doug carter and he has taken the stand we'll take a listen in the delphi community how grateful i am
you uh you inspire people you don't even understand when you don't even understand why
information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours
of extraordinary investigative efforts by delphi carroll county the fbi the indiana state police and countless other
agencies this community surrounded us some 26 months ago and you did everything you could to
support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls
gosh i'll never forget it after you hear what we're going to release today i'm going to ask for your
continued support your continued understanding your empathy and compassion as we move forward
to find out who did this and we will we're seeking the public's help to identify
the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old cps dcs welfare building in the city of delphi that was abandoned
on the east side of county road 300 north next to the hoosier heartland highway between the hours of noon to five
on february 14 2017. if you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers
at the command post at the delphi city building we are releasing additional portions of
the audio recording from that day please keep in mind the person talking is one person
and is the person on the bridge with the girls this is not two different people speaking
please listen to it very very carefully we are also releasing video recovered from libby's phone
this video has never before been previously released the video shows a suspect walking on the
bridge when you see the video watch the s watch the person's mannerisms as they walk
watch the mannerisms as he walks do you recognize the mannerisms as being someone that you might know
remember he is walking on the former railroad bridge because of the deteriorated condition of
the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties
during the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary
as of today the result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you
will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls
we also believe this person is from delphi currently or has previously lived here
visits delphi on a regular basis or works here we believe this person is currently
between the age range of 18 and 40. but might appear younger than his true age directly
to the killer who may be in this room we believe you are hiding in plain sight for more than two years
you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy but we have
we likely have interviewed you or someone close to you we know that this is about power to you
and you want to know what we know and one day you will the question to you what will those closest to you think of
they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls two children only a coward would do such a thing
we are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least
they know because how different you are since the murders we try so hard to understand how a
person could do something like this to two child to two children i recently watched a movie called the
shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil about death and about eternity
to the murderer i believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and i can assure you
that how you left them in that woods is not it's not what they're experiencing today
to the family i hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that
there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and i hope you understand why
the family found out about this about this information this morning i just want the family to know
that when i take my last breath on this earth i'll be thinking of them there's going to be a tremendous amount
of questions i know that i know that i'm never in my career have i stood in front of something like this
please be patient with us please uh we're just beginning we're we are just now beginning
and i can tell you on behalf of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners
that have stood with us over this period of time that we will not stop directly to the killer
who may be in this room only a coward would do such a thing what will those closest to you think of
when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls only a cow wouldn't do such a thing
don't give up we will not stop [Music] all right me and the colonel are back in the garage talking with skip jansen
about his person of interest dp and we will not stop we've been working this case since the beginning
spending hours upon hours outside of the garage talking with people and that's how we
really got hooked up with skip and his person of interest there's so much to it that makes sense and so much
that is still confusing but one of the things that's confusing is why would they go with his sketch
above a sketch that they had beforehand i think i think it was a lot of it had to do what they saw on on the video they
thought maybe they saw it they saw an older guy and i think it's it's important remember that law enforcement
was really emphasizing you know about the younger face that you know pay attention to his what his body his moves
is all his all of that not not his face i think the the video is not a good representation of that
and but law enforcement early on thought they were looking at somebody who looked
more like what ended up being the first sketch than the second sketch yeah i think when you've seen the picture of bg
or you see the video of bg your mind goes towards an older gentleman you see the second sketch you go wow that is not
anything like i pictured this person to be way younger i think people still believe that you know i think they see
it in their mind that they that they see an older person they and they can't get
that they can't they can't change that they it's just kind of burned in their in
their brain yeah i still think people were baffled by this case because in 2019's press conference they released
the image of a way younger looking individual saying he's between 18 and 40. right well and that and at that
point that was when dp recanted his story and said that yeah maybe he didn't see that guy maybe he
saw flannel shirt guy because he realized that flannel shirt guy was in close proximity to where he was during
the time on the trails or said he was so but he you know but again the scarf to me is the big takeaway if he saw
somebody with a scarf that he claimed was bg then now you're saying that you may have
seen fsu was fsg wearing a scarf as well he would have had to have been i've never heard any evidence that fsu was
wearing a scarf that day so i mean again just something else that doesn't really
line up with what he's saying yeah he's he constantly is changing his story uh so confusing but
also the picture they released in 2019 the predominant feature to me is the hair and
there's rumors that he changed his appearance after that but but what is dp doing between 2017 and
2019 uh before that press conference oh i think that he thinks he's he's gotten away with he's scott friend he you've
got a you've got a uh sketch out there that looks nothing like him fbi said one of the things he this part might do is
change his appearance um well he wouldn't have any reason to change his appearance if the sketch didn't look
anything like him right he actually did change his appearance after the 2019 press conference and the new sketch came
out shaved his head grow a beard so that would fall in line more with what they were what they were talking about well i
also feel like at the 2019 press conference when they come out with the information about the vehicle and asking
for the driver it's almost like they know who they're talking about yeah i think i think there was a lot there were
probably questions about that vehicle and who was in that vehicle and you know when it was there and who drove it there
and all that originally and i think they probably led off with that because they
wanted him to know that they figured out how that all you know how it all went down and that they had
been lied to about that i think that i think that's one thing i think that's one thing that people are
misunderstanding about one of the things about the case is that law enforcement i
think was led astray for the first couple of years of this case because of all this because of all the misdirection
and false information they've admitted that there were alibis that didn't didn't add up
newspaper articles about it and so when you see that is that where you go hey here's this guy online he's
saying i'm i'm an eyewitness here's oh here's the people i was with oh nope nope that's not who i was with
us with some other people right so now we got a guy online saying i'm an eyewitness i was there but he's
changing his story but then his alibis quote unquote his alibis would be changing their story as well
and then you see that happening online and then you see this language being used by police is that what sparks you
to go i think this guy should be a person of interest absolutely yeah i mean you know
giving law enforcement false information there's a reason people do it i mean it's uh
if you come forward you're the expectation is you're telling the truth there's you know there's there's a
reason you're trying to send him down one path and so yeah that's to answer your question yeah that's exactly why i
looked into him as a person of interest so you think 2019 they're directly talking to your person of interest dp
can you explain that a little bit more i think i think a lot of things i think just about
everything they said in there you know the fact that somebody this guy had been has been following the case and that's
that's one another thing is that i think one of the reasons law enforcement has been so skittish about about releasing
stuff is not because they don't have anything or not because you know they're doing it for another reason
law enforcement isn't releasing information because they know this guy is following it and using that
information to his benefit okay that and that's that's pretty obvious so that's one of the things and i think that um
you know the once the release of the sketch was out there you know that everything changed this guy stopped this
guy was not talking anymore he uh you know didn't seem you know so eager to get it want to get his story out there
but i think everything they said in it was very pointed and at particularly at uh at one individual and i can't get
over the fact that after this press conference where they won they're turning in a new direction or taking a
new direction but they're pointing the whole conference to the killer this is calling out the killer
and then to have this person of interest change their appearance after the press
conference i have a real hard time getting over that yeah he yeah exactly and his his hair was uh you know i know
sketch is not a photo but his hair was would have been similar before he shaved it to what you what you saw in the
sketch when when do you do you know when he started pulling away from online chats and
not not long after not long after that i don't know the exact date but not long after the uh press conference you know
you mentioned you asked earlier about one of some of the things that were said i think that you know when they said
directly to the killer you know might be in this room you know we believe you're
hiding in plain sight and the part about you never thought we would shift gears to a different uh investigative strategy
right that that goes to what i said about i think he thought he was he got away with it you never you know
they knew that he knew there was another sketch but you know he never thought that they were going to change to that
and i think that was just i would think that was them making him aware that uh you know kind of the jig is up you know
they also said that you know they've likely interviewed him we know he went and talked to law enforcement yeah uh he
was making some statements about talking with law enforcement online he stayed online that he went there and talked to
law enforcement a couple of times and he said that he was there trying to help him that was his uh that was the word he
used he was just he was a good samaritan just trying to help out you know so again
changes the story he was there again changing the story multiple times but changing his appearance we're always
told to look out for that and then we have an eyewitness that is now lawyering up and pulling
away from social media he certainly hasn't been making any social media comments or anything like that like he
was early in the case well i heard his name brought up with a couple people that i've been
investigating the case with and back in the day he had his you could see everything on his social media you can
see his post you can see who he was friends with he seems to have very you know very much
so gone dark on the internet you know you can't find much about this individual you can't see anything you
can't see anything online about him at all it's almost like he went dark well and plus he's a he's an i.t person
he actually when he was a sophomore junior in high school he designed the county's website
yeah it seems like he has a talent in this field which you have told me personally that you think that's the
reason why there's been so much misinformation from the beginning maybe he had access to things
that other people didn't but is this possibly the older individual that one of them was talking to
online and and is he the reason for the scrubbing of the cell phone can you explain that a
little bit well she libby basically scrubbed her phone re-rebooted it restarted reset it said she had some
glitches maybe that's true maybe it's not maybe uh maybe she had been talking with somebody online certainly someone
with computer skills would know the reason to you know why you would why you would uh reset your phone like that
to get rid of any information or or any trail of people you've been talking with
well one of the things that i brought up to on one of our discussions is we know that snapchat photos were being
posted we know that one was posted at roughly i think 207 right i believe is the time
but yep there's no mention about did they take a couple pictures beforehand and post those
did they take a couple pictures after those and post those we're not privy to that information i'm
assuming if people were saying while they were walking on the bridge and talking and taking pictures
and they were at the the park for a while already i'm assuming that there was a couple
snapchats already uploaded but that doesn't matter if you are following them then you'd be able to do a search and
you would have seen their avatars at the park correct that's right yeah and basically if you're in delphi
even some of the furthest points you're talking about a 15 to 20 minute drive to get there
right so did this person of interest was he there like law enforcement says if that car
isn't connected to the killer at 12 or 1 o'clock maybe because maybe it was set up that way
or maybe it's a situation where the person was tracking them through snapchat yeah that's yeah it's very possible he
would uh uh and then you know like you said he would be just a minute's drive a short minutes drive away from being able
to to uh access the bridge from anywhere you know in that area so well we know that dp
knew their family they they knew that victims deep he never yeah yeah one of the things he says on on
social media is that he knew the girls and he had ridden the bus with him before i think he lived maybe half a
mile but uh admitted you know in the family yeah i don't know how well you know i
don't know how well they were different ages think dp at the time was 22 or 23. uh obviously he was you know seven or
eight years older than abby or libby would have been so but we believe that dp rode the bus with libby
lived within a couple miles from them also dp's sister-in-law was one of their softball coaches yeah dp's brother
quentin's wife was was libby saw one of the libby softball coaches why haven't we arrested if if everything that you
guys are saying is in fact true it doesn't seem like that difficult of a case and
where i'm going with that is a couple things okay so we can we can sit here and analyze and
question and speculate as to why libby reset her phone but what we do what i what i want to make sure that
we're really touching on is there are facts there are a lot of facts that are known
in this case it just takes a lot of different locations and a lot of different places to peel them from and
piece them together now in regards to her phone the the statement from libby's family was
that the phone was actually a factory reset that was conducted by tara her aunt right and the they
the phone required the reset because the phone was not working properly because it was an iphone 6 and everybody
remembers old phones they fill up very quickly with too much stuff and they have no memory left and then
they don't work at all and part of the reason why they had trouble locating the girls was that
there was apps you know find my phone and and things like that on on the phone but because of that factory reset those
apps had not been uploaded once again to the phone right so we we know that the factory reset happened
we know that tarot was the one according to libby's family was the one that conducted the
factory reset so that's where that's where i question a little bit how much was if we're if we're making if we're going
to make the leap and say that libby was hiding something you're mentioning the fact that she
asked for the factory reset no i'm not missing that fact obviously she she would have had to have
a conversation with somebody for it to be conducted she didn't do the factory reset because
she didn't know how to right yeah i think that i think again you know she would have lost everything
she lost all you know she she liked to take pictures and photographs i think she lost all of that
i think the the first question would have been you know if you're having a glitch how
do i say how do i save all my photos and all that kind of stuff i don't want to get rid of but what we've been told is
that she just asked for a reset i mean i'm not saying i'm not saying they're lying i'm not saying that they're lying
i'm saying that uh i think there's a reason for the reset maybe the other reasons
other than just a glitch some a girl that age should take all her photos she would lose all that i mean that seems uh
more problematic to me than and that factory reset happened 10 days before right that's right
the other thing that i do want to make sure that we bring up as well is that the family has gone on the record saying
that of course libby was on facebook snapchat twitter and instagram and her becky and mike
had her passwords as well as they were friends on all four yeah you know i don't know that
that's that the phone is a huge piece of evidence in this case i think it it may
explain the you know the fact that she that's somebody that somebody knew she was
going to be there that day or or and she had been uh speaking with someone but i don't know that that you
know i don't because i don't think it there's anything uh absolute about it i don't think you can draw anything
absolute coming out you know because he you know he this guy's admitted he knew her admit it you know so it's not like
he was uh he was that secret about that yeah i believe at one point he was friends with
libby on facebook yeah so i you know i i think again i think nick's point is very valid
it's like well if you just believe everything she said she reset this phone because there was a
glitch she still she would have still had to do all that stuff and maybe she said look this phone is constantly not
working i don't care if it saves any of the stuff i just want my phone to work so yeah and i want to be clear here i'm
not challenging either one of you guys i'm just what i'm pointing out or challenging the theory itself i mean
there could be any mil there could be a million reasons why she wanted the there could be a million reasons why she
wanted the phone reset all i'm trying to do as we lay out this theory is there again there are known facts or
statements from the family and from other individuals and i want to make sure that we're presenting that from all
sides so we're throwing speculation here it's it's it's more than fair to do so because that's all we're left with at
this point but along the way i am going to remind of of of what few facts that we
do know to be or statements from the family i just want to make sure that i'm presenting those as we go because it'd
be irresponsible to not do so uh and then the the statement in regard to libby's phone
from law enforcement is that uh facebook snapchat twitter instagram and all online contacts were
[Music] things all of that was accessed analyzed and all online contacts tracked down and
interviewed the other thing when we talk about technology that's bizarre here in
this case that we don't have an arrest is that we know that isp indiana state police did subpoena
the phone records for any phone that pinged within a five mile radius of the monan high bridge
during that time frame that day so they've got a a long list of of phones that they know to have been in
that area at that time yeah that'd be another reason for someone to come come forward knowing
their phone and ping there i mean if my phone if i knew my phone was anywhere near there and it pinged there i'd come
forward too i'd just be that that goes again toward why would you come forward right but
the reason why i'm going down this path is because it's sounding more and more to me like this is not a
random i'm looking for any type of victim here at the trail or near the bridge it sounds it's sounding more and more to
me like this that one or both of these girls were targeted and yeah in my opinion it wasn't good
definitely targeted and for it to go down that day in this manner the perpetrator needs to know that
they're going to be there that day and the phone is one way that he could have known as the captain has
pointed out now the difficult thing to hear also is the [Music] um statement from law enforcement in
regards to additional audio that was uh found on the phone from that video and to be clear there's only one
video the the picture we have is from the video the audio we have is from that video there was one video as far as
what we've been told by law enforcement and the additional audio is briefly described as
typical girl talk but also discussing the man and where they could be going again it gets a little tricky to me if
they if one of them or both of them may have known the suspect right i mean don't don't they say his name or or give
i mean there's there's a whole mountain of reasons why we don't have somebody in
handcuffs waiting on a trial right now yeah well in my opinion to be honest with you
is the first two years of the uh again carter says in the press conference we're just beginning we're just now
beginning okay that tells me let's throw away the first two years somebody duped law enforcement
into believing something that we went down the wrong path yeah they went down the wrong path and gave
this guy two years to cover every track to get rid of every piece of evidence to get his story right to follow the
case which they have uh talked about numerous times that they they know this guy is keeping up with
the case following it and uh so that first two years plus another thing that hasn't been
discussed is if this guy is brought in as a witness okay they're gonna they possibly have
some miranda issues this guy wasn't read his rights before he uh start before he just we know when
he said he went in to help law enforcement that you know is that is that are they
going to have did they does the district attorney think realize that and does law
enforcement or the police realize that the isp and and carroll county realized that hey we may have some miranda
problems because this guy was interviewed as a witness and anything he said uh whether we think it's a lie or not
can't be used because he wasn't read his rights that's very interesting [Music] [Music]
[Music] [Music] well and one of the things that you talked about is well why would
they go with dp's version of the sketch as opposed to somebody else's and it could be the small town factor dp
comes from um prominent family and you think that played into some of their decisions or also the fact that he
did work for the county when he was in high school yeah he like i said he designed the uh
uh county website and yeah i think that i think again i think the the uh small town aspect in this case can't be
overplayed i mean i think it's just it's i think it's huge and how small town people feel and if law enforcement
saw a kid coming from a prominent family who everybody knows who says he's a witness there's no reason for them not
to believe it and i think in 2018 when the when the georgia bureau of investigation got involved because
they wanted to they were doing a peer review and wanted a fresh set of eyes i think that's probably the time that
they realized something doesn't add up with these stories something doesn't add up with your witness story something
didn't add up about the vehicle something doesn't add up about the timeline and they were able to take the bias and the
prejudice out of it that the local guys may have had that hey it couldn't be this guy
because like it or not that happens i mean all law enforcement makes mistakes just like everybody else you know
they're human and when the gbi came in they were able to take the bias out of it and
i think that's when they realized that hey maybe the stories that we've been told
we've been led down the wrong path we've been uh we've been lied to and that's and that's why then you know not shortly
thereafter at the beginning of 2019 in april they do the press conference and release the new sketch escape again a
sketch they had two three or four days after the murders you know and again they i think they released the first one
because the older sketch because they thought that was more along the lines of what they were seeing on the video and
they had witnesses who said they saw him so that that seems like the likely that
seems like the obvious way to go right is to release that one that's the guy when the gbi came in and they looked
over everything they realized hey we you know things aren't the way they seem and
that sketch that we had originally is more in line with who we think this guy is and i i wonder if that
at that point did did they go over multiple interviews or did they re because because carter had said this multiple
times when we you know run out of leads we go back to the beginning and that's right
that's right that's a good point yep when they went back to the beginning and maybe
i mean we have online dp saying that i've talked to law enforcement multiple times well is it right was it the second
time that they talked to you that your story didn't make sense with your first story
or that well cheyenne's story didn't match your story or cheryl's story didn't match her story or shelby hicks's
story didn't match her story right yeah i think i think that the time the timeline is the most important thing
because again i go back to what i said originally about the perp not wanting to be under that bridge between 2 30 and 3
30. you know dp admitted to a source that he was the reason that uh he was part of the arguing couple
okay and the reason the reason for that was he explained it as that they explained
away why the girl he was with didn't see bg they said they ran into bg or bg walked past him the girl he was with
didn't see her and the reason was because they were arguing okay now if you're part of the arguing couple and
derek runs into fsg around 320 and he's coming from the high bridge and tells derek
that he had just heard an arguing couple under the bridge but just before that puts
arguing couple guy under that bridge around three o'clock right but that's what he said online
but what is he saying to law enforcement we don't know right right no i'm part of arguing couple well who's
the girl you're with well it was my fiance and they go talk to her and she goes i wasn't there yeah well it was
this girl because then that would mean basically the first time they ever talked to him
uh suspicious right but i think that's really why he jumps out to me is when he's constantly changing his stories
online and you can actually see what he posted and go well that doesn't make any
sense with the last thing he posted and this guy is also claiming to be there also claiming to be an eyewitness
but like you said okay i'm part of arguing couple that's under the bridge about three o'clock
anything under the bridge to me as part of the crime scene because we have we have the audio clip of them saying
of of the murderer saying guys down the hill correct and we know that uh the most likely way they got to where
they ended up uh where they were found would have been down the hill by under the bridge
uh you know go down across that private drive over the creek and then to the final spot um so yeah he would have
known definitely that you know they were definitely known he was there at that time or he would definitely have
been there at that time if he's admitting to being a arguing couple maybe maybe that was the
statement that was problematic in terms of you know hey you know i used it to explain away why
the girl didn't see it but it's backfired because of what fsg and and also may tie into why he says
why he recanted about the original and said maybe he thought he saw fsg he's trying you know because he knows
that puts him there in that spot and again that's the last place the park wants to be
is near that bridge under that bridge between 230 and 3 30. so one thing i'm a little unclear on of here skip is the uh
regardless of what girl he what woman he claims he was there with has this woman
been identified and saying that they were there with dp that day she hasn't come out publicly no
now what's been said like you know like the captain said what's been talked about to law enforcement i don't know
but [ __ ] nobody's publicly come out and said they were with dp that day okay so if he is if he was in fact there
by himself that seems a possibility we don't have anybody stating i was the person he claimed to have been
there with in either story correct cause both stories have him with somebody else correct
but when cheyenne sees him is he with somebody she says he's with yeah she's his one
corroborating but again there's nobody there to that says they saw her we don't know
that she was there and her story's changed um multiple times you know her her story
carries a little weight because of the posting of that picture but if you look at it yeah yeah you'd have to you'd have
to uh decide for yourself whether you think the legitimacy of that photo i mean i'm not saying it's not it's a real
photo i'm not we don't we don't know 100 everything about it uh she said she went
there to take photos that day and she she showed just a couple of pictures i mean what you know
seems like you'd take it you would take a lot if you went there to take photos well there was stuff that was wrong with
the time stamps too right yeah her the time stamp said an hour difference than what she claimed to us see i thought she
had posted something she did she just that was the problem it didn't it did that time didn't line up with what the
time stamp said well because at some point she's posting from across the bridge close to the murder scene yes from the
south side yeah i think you know one of the one of the things that i think people have
questions about is is well why didn't they you know why didn't they grill him and all that kind of stuff again
early on law enforcement was looking for rsos they had there was a serial killer
theory possibly fbi is putting out flyers all over the country they were going down
a totally different road they were they were looking for an older guy possibly a like i said a serial killer
sexual offender they weren't looking for you know some someone in their 20s locally
and so the folks of the investigation again again that's why carter said we're just now beginning in the 2019 press
conference is because the information that they gathered over that period of time
changed and that's why the emphasis was on he's local he's younger and we have a sketch of him what is
cheyenne's motivation for pretending to be there that day i don't know 100 i don't i don't uh i wouldn't
even really venture to guess what somebody reason somebody gives somebody an alibi if people do it all
the time they do it for love fear money well wait a second hang on because the her motivation for pretending to be
there that day would be giving dp an alibi if in fact that's not been made clear to anybody
listening yet that that so your your thought is that cheyenne was with dp that day
uh no no i don't know i don't again until until somebody verifies that they saw her there i i don't know that she was
there at all but what would be her motivation for pretending to be there uh like i said it could be in numerous
things you know people people provide alibis for other people all the time yeah she
she could have been doing it as a as uh it may have been innocently at first it may have been
you know she he thought she he needed and he knew he needed an alibi but if he went to law enforcement and say he was
there somebody's got to play somebody's got to say yeah i saw him there so you can't go and say can't put himself in
the middle of the crime scene so he puts himself at a different spot but that's got to be corroborated he knows that
so but but what's weird to me about dp being there and and like again cheyenne is just the fact that
there's nobody that is saying that we saw him there i mean he's admitting to be being there
so we can assume he's there right but nobody is saying that they saw him where their story hasn't changed or
hasn't been contradicted in some way that's right that's exactly right i'm getting a little lost here because but
but i agree with nick where it's like okay but so her stories don't line up but why would she even
say at all that she was there why would she say that she saw him at all i mean again he could it could have been
he could have coerced her for whatever reason and you know into believing yeah look he he
could he would tell any could tell him but hey i was there but i needed somebody to say i was there you know i
didn't it wasn't me look at the video that's not me obviously um and they would buy that you know and so uh
she may she may give him an alibi you know just doing it innocently i don't know that that would still be
the case um i would think that kind of be hard to believe that would still be the case but uh
but uh that's that could be a possible reason any of anybody that was giving him an
alibi could have been given out by originally didn't realize what they were giving an alibi for right
that's fair i'm just i'm just pointing out that we're saying on what with one hand that
if dp says he was there then we should believe that to be true but if cheyenne says she was there we shouldn't believe
it to be true or we should question well what i think we should question more is
not saying so much whether or not she was there but what we do know is based off what she has told people online
and what the these posts and these other things that the timeline is very contradicted so i would say i go to for
as far to say dp has said he's there he said he's eyewitness cheyenne has come forward and
told talked to a bunch of sources online and said that she was an eyewitness not
to bridge guy but that she saw tp there right right i i questioned more her timeline
and so so if she says well i saw a dp there okay you saw dp there and it doesn't even matter if you saw
him with a girl because if she saw him at two o'clock with a girl and it's at a distance
we don't know if that's not libby or abby right we don't know where she's saying
that she saw him at right so that's all i'm saying is that we know that her story has shifted and
morphed so i just don't i i don't even know if she's essentially lying for dp i think she might just be you know oh
why yeah i saw him at three but really it was four or maybe it was two we don't know well ask yourself
why she was talking publicly anyway i mean she didn't see bg never claimed to cbg so
her uh basically her existence in the case uh is explaining who she saw that day
so she's coming forward and saying who she saw she she didn't see the bridge guys so she offers nothing in
terms of a witness to seeing the guy who you know but she is saying oh and she's trying to you know she's
putting people in certain places oh i saw this guy and he was with this girl and i saw a girl that i didn't know was
going to be there um so for me that that's that's best she's doing is just is uh
witnessing witnesses yeah but she also could be just coming online because there's such a fascination with this
case yeah and that i think i think that she was talking she started talking though
early before the case ever got to a point where it was had gotten crazy like this
but but have i been bamboozled because the information i have says that cheyenne posted a picture
that afternoon she did yeah so the white is that one would be the one she was there i mean that's
that's what i'm trying to get to here we're circling around this a lot about whether she was there or not but that
doesn't that posting of the picture add to credibility of her physically being there that afternoon
maybe maybe not i mean the picture didn't look like it was even from the same day
as a matter of fact it looked like what i was asking yeah it looked like it had fog in it it also
um the time stamp that originally she showed on the picture didn't line up when she when she said she was there
she possibly could have been there could have been early or whatever um but even
even if it wasn't let's say she's off by an hour let's say she's off by seven hours i'm not really i don't really care
about that what i'm what i'm trying to point out is that we know she posted a picture that afternoon right claiming to
be there what i'm getting at is for for someone to go oh well i just want to be a part
of this it gets a little difficult to you can't go back in time and post that picture to add to your credibility later
that you were in fact there because that afternoon nobody knows what had happened
it's not an event yet it's not it's nothing yet yeah um we don't know until that evening that they're in fact
missing we don't know until brother killer noon the next day that they were killed that they were killed
or the killer right right but we need to say that here rather than dance around it you know we
we need to be presenting a direct story with timeline and narrative uh for this series yeah she she offered up the photo
as as as proof that she was there because this isn't the first time anybody's questioned her story and not making
sense yeah but i think what nick is trying to point out is yeah she offered up a photo of proof but didn't she also
post that photo the day of the murders on her social media uh she posted she said she posted it um
yeah i think maybe i think that was the one where the time frame was just or the
time stamp was off again she's she she did come a fortnight but she her story is always made sense
where she says she is at a certain time has never made sense um again i go back to that why you know
you're coming forward but why are you telling why are you saying things that don't add up and and and
changing your story and all that i don't i don't understand that yeah the story's
not making sense so many people having multiple contradicting stories when you have
three stories only one of them can be true why would you protect somebody that murdered a 13 and 14 year old girl
absolutely makes no sense it makes you as big of a piece of [ __ ] as the murderer
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Delphi Murders /// Under The Bridge /// Part 2

Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Delphi murders, new evidence, and a person of interest named DP with inconsistencies in his statements.

Key points

Community Support. Acknowledging the community's support during the investigation.
Direct Appeal to the Killer. The speaker addresses the killer, suggesting he may be hiding in plain sight.
New Investigative Strategy. Law enforcement reveals a shift in their investigative approach regarding the case.
Libby's Phone Reset. Libby's phone was reset by her aunt, raising questions about its implications.
Targeted Victims?. Discussion suggests that the girls may have been targeted rather than random victims.
Law Enforcement's Realization. The GBI's involvement led to a reevaluation of the investigation, uncovering inconsistencies.

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