Delphi Murders /// Under The Bridge /// Part 1 | Forensic Files

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what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls
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24 hours of course since they were reported missing 13 year olds liberty german abigail williams last seen around one
o'clock monday afternoon near the monon high bridge that abandoned rail bridge just outside of delphi news
18's brad oppenheim joins us now live from carroll county where that search continues at this hour brad
jeff like you said liberty german and abigail williams were last seen yesterday afternoon when they were
dropped off near that bridge now they had made arrangements to be picked up by family members later that
afternoon but they never showed up now a staging area has been set up at the delphi fire
department and since i've been here i've seen hundreds of people come in and out of this staging area
we are told that volunteers will be sent out in groups where they will comb the area in efforts to find these two girls
i was able to actually catch up with abigail williams mother anna williams and she says she is amazed by the
outpouring of support from the community i also spoke with the carroll county sheriff tobe lesenbee and he says they
are working with officials on getting an amber alert issued just in the last couple hours i have
been at the staging area i've seen and spoke from volunteers that don't even live in carroll
county including one man from west lafayette who came over and joined the search
he said he has a teenage daughter himself and wanted to do what he could to make sure those girls make it home
safe directly to the killer who may be in this room only a coward would do such a thing
what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls
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we're here in the garage me and the colonel talking with skip jansen about who he
believes should be the number one person of interest skip when did you start your
investigation into the delphi murders that's a good question i've probably been looking into it for
the last year or so i guess i got into it because i thought it was i was intrigued by the fact that there
were audio and video of the killer and i thought it was even more unique that one of the victims had was the one
who had done the video of him so that's how i kind of got started looking into it
and why do you think so many people on the internet have been fascinated with the delphi murders another good question
i think probably those reasons as well as i think the small town aspect plays a part in it and i think that uh
the the fact that you know anytime two children are murdered you know people have a fascination with that
and for people that don't know delphi has a population of just under 3 000 individuals yeah very
very low populated area and the unusual thing about it is for a town that has less than 3 000
people i've i've never seen a case that had this many potential persons of interest yeah on
the internet there's hundreds of side by sides but law enforcement has stated over and over in different press
conferences that they believe the killer is local to delphi correct yeah i mean i agree with that if that's
what you're asking i think the the area that the crime was committed in is is such a remote area
that the odds of this being someone who is from out of town or a random type murder i think the odds
are probably a little too long for that yeah i want to echo that but i do want to point out that they have
what what their exact words are is that we believe that you the person is local someone either from
delphi living in delphi or someone that works there so not necessarily doesn't have to
be an actual member of the delphi proper population according to those words and statements
that have been released by law enforcement but i do agree 100 with you skip and captain
given the nature of the crime scene and the monon high bridge and the trail system there
there are people that live in delphi and live in carroll county that i've spoken to
or heard in interviews state that they didn't even know those trails existed or the bridge existed so
for some random person to just find that and use that as a the killer used this as a hunting ground whether he
intended to kill someone there or not he was hunting for prey for a victim or victims that day at that
location and given what i've seen and reviewed as far as maps go i would like to go there and walk the uh
terrain myself but given the remoteness of that area and the lay of the land somebody had to have familiarity with
that location i agree with that i think people get misled a little bit sometimes
they see they'll look at google maps and and see that one of the roads that the bridge is off of highway 300 which
is it's just a little small you know country two-lane road i think people think that that's maybe a larger more
traveled area and it's just not so we have discussed many possible people of interest on the show and with
arrests like chadwell and so many other arrests throughout the country and people having side by sides
one thing that's tough with all those individuals are they capable of committing the crimes
yes but can you put them in delphi the day of the murders but with your person of interest
you can actually put them at the park the day of the murders yeah that's right he was there he
admitted he was there he was there he said he was with a female he actually was was the uh one of the witnesses for the
original sketch that was released some people referred to as old bridge guy uh to answer that
question yes he's he's the first one that i know of it that was admittedly there
so your person of interest admits that he was there and also admits that he has talked to law enforcement and he came
forward and he is the reason for the first sketch that has been released do you know if your person of interest
was a part of any of the searches that day i don't i don't know that he was part of uh any search
i just know that he was there around the time of the murders and he was in pretty cl close proximity
to uh to the area that uh where the girls were found so the girls went missing on
february 13th but their bodies weren't found until february 14th yeah that's correct around noon on the
14th so just to add a little clarity here uh in regards to the time frame that we're talking about we're talking about
february 13 2017 now libby and abby were dropped off approximately 1 45 in the afternoon this is according
to kelsey who dropped them off at the trail head and the snapchat picture of abby was posted at 207
pm on that day and it's believed based off of the evidence that we have that being the still picture which comes
from the video which was then released at a later date the still picture of bridge guy yeah
correct it due to the positioning of the sun uh what we can see in that video we can
tell that the abduction took place between 2 20 p.m and 2 40 p.m that afternoon so relatively quickly
things are moving very fast the girls are dropped off in less than an hour later they are abducted
less than a half an hour later that picture is posted on snapchat of abby it's kind of mind-boggling how
we have this perpetrator lurking waiting in the shadows if you will looking for potential prey and it just so happens to
line up with about the time that they're dropped off and from my understanding skip and you
can correct me if i'm i'm wrong that it's approximately about a half mile from the trailhead to the
bridge itself which two girls taking their time maybe they went a roundabout way there's two
different options to get you to that monin high bridge that time lines up all those times really line up with
about how long it would take someone on foot to get to that bridge and when you say that this guy
your guy has admittedly his own words put him place him at the crime scene at about the same time that the
abduction and murders took place and i don't want to be clear there even though they're
murdered at that location and left there they were abducted i mean they were they were
moved and corralled and directed by the killer where to go before we know that because we have
audio evidence of that correct and we don't know for exactly what reasons but you're saying this guy
has placed himself there during this time frame and the other thing that's key to hone in on
at this point too when we're discussing times on that day is according to law enforcement they
believe whatever took place because again they're not telling us exactly what happened
whatever took place was done and over with probably relatively quickly but at least
by 5 pm that day yeah correct because that's what that's the time frame that they say that
the car was at the cps building at the 2019 press conference they led that off with that that they were
looking for the driver which i thought was interesting of the vehicle that was parked there from 12 to 5.
i thought it was unusual they asked for the drive about the driver it seems like
maybe they know about what the who the vehicle is and that's something that that we can get into a
little bit but let me say a couple of things that i think are important one thing one thing i've learned is that
law enforcement and a perpetrator have 180 degree opposite agendas and i'm not talking about just the
simple fact that law enforcement wants to catch this guy and this guy the perpetrator doesn't
want to be caught how that relates to this case is and it goes back to what you were
talking about about the time is law enforcement wants to place somebody there between under that bridge
near that crime scene between about 2 30 and 3 30 that afternoon okay the perpetrator wants to be
anywhere else but under that bridge between 2 30 and 3 30. okay and that's something i think that
that the listeners should keep in mind as we as we go along here because there's been
a ton of misinformation deflections false information put out as we again as we talk about that you'll see
some of that maybe people changing their time frames of when they were there who they were
with where they parked and things like that well it's hard to know because we're not
from that area we don't know how popular this park is it's a day where there's no
school how many people do you think are at the park during the time of the murders it's hard
to say i've i i've identified maybe six or seven i know there's been i know there's been
people who've said uh they're up to 50 people i don't buy that at all i think there
were just a few i've identified six or seven so people put the time frame of the
murders in between 2 30 and let's say 3 30. but we know that because the girls weren't responding and
somebody was trying to pick them up and this uh miscommunication was would have started about three o'clock
yeah i think i think libby's dad derek had arrived and started walking the trails around
three o'clock just after and that was that was about the time they they started realizing you
know something was wrong derek called libby's phone at 3 11 that afternoon and this is as he was getting close he's
driving in a vehicle to go pick up the girls there was no set time when they were
dropped off what time they would be picked up it was a roundabout time right and the the statement was
or always has been that derek would call libby when he got close so they could meet him at the trailhead
and we know that that call took place at 3 11. he's unable to get a hold of her she
doesn't answer the phone he then arrives shortly after that 311 phone call and starts to walk the trails looking
for the girls i think one of the important things is is is that where he parked is an area called the mirrors lot which
is the same place that the girls were dropped off it's just a small area private area but
uh the locals knew it as a place to they had easy access to the trails there's the trailhead like you said
right there so it's just a short walk to the bridge and it's called the mirrors lot because
the mirror's family farm is right almost it's right across the street yeah exactly they may have owned portions of
that additional land at one time right in this area area that you can just get a
few cars in at one time three or four five maybe max so it's just a small area but the locals knew about it one of the
importance of this being a small location and like you said it could only fit maybe five
cars is that your person of interest claims that around three o'clock his car would have
been parked in that lot that's what time he said he arrived yeah and he said he started walking
slowly down the trail with a female but we haven't had any other eyewitness come forward and
say that they saw your person of interest walking with this female we have anybody come forward and say
that they saw them that's correct well that yeah that's correct not anybody that we
that has said anything publicly i do believe that that he was seen later on but but no no nobody has
publicly said they saw him nobody's corroborated that and what's also odd about this one claim that
your person of interest made is the time frame he would have run into possibly derrick or possibly flannel shirt guy
at the trailhead around this time period yeah he like i said that when derek got
there he started on walking on the on the trails he ran into an older man older gentleman
who's referred to his flannel shirt guy and asked him if if he had seen the girl
two girls and he said no but there's a couple arguing under the bridge so derek took the other path i guess
assuming that that was not who he was looking for so so maybe the girls were on the other
path one thing i've always wondered about here skip is there's actually two bridges right
there's one that goes over the indiana hoosier highway what's that the freedom bridge
freedom bridge yes part of me wonders when he gets told by fsg flannel short flannel shirt guy
can do you have his name in front of you i think he's been identified i think we
can just say his name yeah his last name is mccain and mccain he was in charge of the
the trail system there correct so he's involved with the parks and rec or something of that
nature but so he speaks with mccain and mccain says i i saw a couple arguing under the bridge i think well i
think you actually said i heard a couple arguing under the bridge and i'm with you it could mean one of
two things either he goes okay well that's not the people i'm looking for so i'll go this
opposite way maybe he just assumed the freedom bridge rather than the monan high bridge it's possible that mccain
was coming from that from that direction so i think the assumption is that he would had just
been at the brit at the monon high bridge like i said you know he he asked you know about two young girls you know
somebody describing a couple they heard would not be the same description so so he you know he
said he said no he hasn't seen him so it you know that part of it i think is fairly
simple well in this case there's so much information and i think there's some misinformation
that's being put out by certain people and when you hear about this eyewitness uh mccain that talked with derek
at the trail head and he says that i heard a arguing couple roughly around 2 50 to
3 o'clock to me one of the things that people are missing is that would be roughly at the time that
abby and libby are making contact with bridge guy and we don't have the full audio tapes
so we don't know and we don't know if those audio tapes have the evidence on there
was there an argument was there did one of the girls start arguing with bridge guy and if
that is true then around three o'clock mccain did not hear a arguing couple he heard
bridge guy arguing with abby and libby yeah i think i think that's likely i think
you know one of the biggest questions that people have had in this case is you know why didn't anybody hear
anything you know why didn't the girl scream why didn't anybody hear anything well maybe they did you know maybe
mccain uh heard something and and but but nobody's put that together like you just said so so your
person of interest we know that he was there he claims he was eyewitness he claims he's the
reason for the first sketch that was released he also claims that he enters the same
parking lot that derek parked in roughly about three o'clock but then other times he has told sources
and talked on the internet about being a part of the arguing couple which would put him at the crime scene
at three o'clock correct he also didn't come forward to law enforcement saying that he saw anybody like i mentioned he
was a witness to one of the witnesses to the first sketch until well after the video had been put out at least a week i
think that kind of asks the question why if you saw somebody he says he saw somebody
dress like bg was with a scarf over his face if he saw if he saw somebody like that
why didn't you come you know and you know two little girls were murdered that day
why didn't you come forward immediately you know and and he later recanted that uh statement
yeah i have a couple problems with this person of interest one you're at the park roughly around the
time that this family is looking for two missing girls there's no witness that says he stayed
to help so what kind of person are you what kind of canoe are you i think our listeners know what
i'm getting at but on top of that you're there's this you're claiming that the day
these girls were murdered and you would have known that the next day that you were at the park the same day
these girls were murdered and you saw a suspicious person you're not coming forward to law enforcement
for seven eight days well he originally said he was with his girlfriend okay he later
changed that to a girl that then he never mentioned her name just uh told uh apparently one of the uh stories
that was at earth was that he was part of a cheating couple so that was the reason for maybe uh white
was so ambiguous about who you know who he was with was because he was saying he you know he was trying
to keep it on the download that he was with another girl well and that's really interesting
because this person of interest he's coming forward and saying look i'm the i'm the eyewitness
i saw bridge guy i am the reason for the first sketch that is released we now know that law enforcement is
saying hey don't that's that sketch is secondary essentially saying well we don't buy this eyewitnesses
account at one point saying well i was at the parking lot roughly the same time derek
was there ah but he didn't see me and at some point i was yeah i was with there with my
girlfriend uh now we know that's not to be true so then he has to then go on and then
tell people okay look i wasn't there with my girlfriend i was cheating on my girlfriend and so
therefore you know but i i was covering for that which a lot of times eyewitnesses come forward and they
lie to law enforcement and lie to the public because they were doing something bad
that necessarily doesn't make him a murderer but my issue is we don't know who he claims he was
with under that bridge key phrase there under the bridge which by definition guys down the hill
under the bridge anything under the bridge becomes a part of the crime scene they found articles of clothing
around that area under the bridge in the water so we have this individual lying and
constantly changing his story but what does he do he puts himself at that crime scene and i don't believe
anybody saw arguing couple they just heard arguing couple arguing couple then equals bridge guy arguing with abby and
libby equals that's the murderer and he is putting himself in that position that location arguing with somebody
which we believe would be abby and libby and that puts him at the crime scene that makes him bridge
[Music] gun [Music] [Music] so we're back talking with skip janus about his person of interest and how
this person of interest has claimed he was eyewitness he saw bg he's the reason for the first
sketch that was released and that he was there with his girlfriend then changed his story to that he was
there with somebody he was cheating on his girlfriend with shows you the type of character this individual
is and on top of that he just constantly keeps changing his story he said he saw bridge
guy leaving going toward freedom bridge around the same time that flannel shirt guy and derek would
have been uh talking so they would have had they had been close to each other in
proximity to each other at the time he said he saw him leaving there he described him as
like i said with the the clothes that bg was wearing seen in the video and also with a scarf over his face again i can't
get over the fact that if you're just a normal guy and maybe you don't want to come forward
right away because you're going to be caught cheating but you can tell law enforcement that and
they don't have to release that information to the public but you can tell your friends
family and girlfriend hey by the way i was there that day well why were you there oh well i was
taking a lunch break or whatever reason you have to come up with to tell your friends and family but you believe that
you saw this individual and you're waiting seven days to come and talk to law enforcement
it just seems very suspicious it seems very shady it doesn't you know pass the sniff test if you will well
he said that he came forward after the video had been released and said that's the guy i saw that day
yeah so when exactly is this photo or video released after the crime they released the video
i think two or three days after the murders or the photo of the photo taken from the video yeah yeah the still
photo was released a few days afterwards it wasn't until that 2019 press conference that we get the video
right and let's be clear about one thing the younger sketch the second sketch that was released in 2019
was actually created three or four days after the murders that was actually the fir the the others
the the old bridge guy sketch was done was not released until july of 2017 so it was five months before
the first sketch was released yet they had the sketch of the younger guy three or four days after the murders
so the second sketch that was released they had pretty quickly but for some reason
this eyewitness comes forward seven or eight days after the murders gives his account
and they go with his sketch at least yeah a week later saying that that was the guy
he came after the uh picture was or the photo was was shown on television he said that's
the guy i saw again i'm just curious why you wouldn't come if you saw a suspicious guy there
close to where two girls were killed why you wouldn't come forward immediately let's pretend that dp is bridge guy for
a minute okay he's coming forward now because he has an out that that sketch is his out right he doesn't
want to come forward before like you were getting to that oh i don't want to come
forward because they can identify me if i was there right and so he he sees the sketch it's not doesn't
appear to be him to him so dp comes forward and says yep i i would like to second that i saw that
person i was there that day and saw that person there as well i yeah he actually he saw the video he saw
the video or the pic the photo not the sketch i think he became aware of the sketch
i've spoken with person friend of mine locally whose family has a brother who's in law enforcement
that i think is is an incredible source and he told me that a lot of local people knew about this
there was a second sketch they didn't know what it looked like obviously earlier but they knew very early on that
there was a second sketch i think i think the time how the timing works is he came after
the second sketch had been created uh hadn't been released yet but the second sketch had been created
and that's when he came forward the second sketch that was actually released is actually the first sketch
that they created correct but how is law enforcement getting that information for the second
sketch that was released from a witness a witness that saw something that needed to be reported that day and skip
correct me if i'm wrong it's been my understanding that the second sketch released
is based off of eyewitness statements description right and the first sketch that was released
was based off of the still photo then later video evidence uh and it was all well a lot of people believe
that the law enforcement's uh take on it is that it was it was created by multiple witnesses okay so both the
sketches are law enforcement says both of the sketches were were created uh based on uh witness
testimony i believe i agree with you though i think that the first sketch was had the the photo and
video had some influence on it and your person of interest which we are calling dp
i don't know if you guys picked up on the fact that nick called the person of interest dp we're calling
him dp for legal reasons obviously and for safety reasons for himself but he came forward and was telling
people online he was responsible for the first sketch that was released that's correct yeah again i think that's
a little bit unusual that you know law enforcement usually insists that the witnesses don't say
anything in cases like this he certainly injected himself into the case by speaking on social media
kind of getting his story out there but both of his stories put him with another person at the
trails that day right so where's this other person right i mean if i'm law enforcement
that's my first thing i'm going okay dp was there and in story a he's with so and so and in story b
he's with someone else who are these people and do they exist well again i think i
think the reason for the change of the story was that he was with another girl and didn't
want that information getting out i think that was the excuse to get to the second story which was the
the cheating girl yeah i think that that probably raised the red flag of some some sorts you know
but he was he was considered a witness they thought that um you know law enforcement seeks
witnesses they know they need witnesses and this guy came forward voluntarily so
they assumed he was uh city and described something that looked like what they were seeing on video so they
had no reason not to believe him okay so this dp guy's there and he's with this girl that he's cheating on his
girlfriend with i mean that's pretty scumbag anyways but we don't have this other girl that he was cheating on
his girlfriend with coming forward and saying hey i was there with dp and the other
thing about it too is he's saying he was arguing with this girl that he was with
under the bridge again putting himself and putting whoever this girl he was with if there was even a girl
there with him under the bridge again under the bridge you have to understand that under the bridge
or on the other side of the bridge is all a part of the crime scene so he would be saying not only was i
cheating with this girl but she was over at the crime scene with me about the same time that the killer
would have been making contact with abby and libby but yet yet they didn't see anything again he wasn't seen by anybody
except one person a girl named cheyenne ingles and she's the only one there that
has corroborated seeing him do we know where cheyenne says she saw she never said exactly where she saw him
she said that she her story and i'll be kind of frank here i don't i haven't found anything that she said to
be truthful she originally said she got there at 3 50. changed her story to she got there at 2 50. she showed a
picture of uh from the day says that she said she went there to take pictures she shows a picture and it's
taken around three o'clock of the bridge she never said you know she saw what time she saw him
just that she saw a heterosexual couple and also i ran into a friend of hers who she said she didn't know was going
to be there well the biggest point about dp being a person of interest is he was at
the park that day claims to be in the vicinity of the bridge and has changed his story
multiple times now you have cheyenne that is eyewitness to dp being there but she's constantly changing her story
as well it's very very suspicious i think i think there are four i think there are four people
involved in involved in that equation i think dp cheyenne cheryl and a girl named shelby
and i think they that one of them has has something to do with a car that was parked at the cps building
that law enforcement inquired about so who is this shelby she's a friend of uh all they're
all friends um she was i know she went to law enforcement to talk to tell them kind of straighten out the
vehicle situation i think there was a lot of confusion about where everybody parked what time
everybody got there whose cars were there i think she went and told them that you know her
yes her car was there uh and here's how it got there i don't think no i think again nobody
saw her nobody saw dp i don't have any reason to believe she was there because you know there's
no there's nobody corroborating the story that she was there i'm not sure she she ever said she was there
yeah she and cheyenne are friends because they were married to well one was married to uh two brothers
one was married and one was had a child with the other brother so they they were friends that way
but does cheyenne ever say when she saw cheryl she says she says that cheryl got there she's
shane says she got there about 2 50. she said that cheryl got there about 2 30. uh she didn't say exactly what point she
ran into him or ran into her i'm sorry so other than so we're going to exclude shelby because we don't believe that she
was there but other than cheyenne and cheryl do we have anybody we don't know that cheryl was
there either right but do we have anybody at the park seeing dp that day no nobody saw dp except cheyenne
okay but nobody saw cheyenne nobody saw cheryl nobody saw shelby they all they all were there at the park
in the in the same uh time frame that several other people were there including fsg
but nobody saw any of them i think again i think the time that the timeline and the vehicles
are the critical part of the case i think it's likely law enforcement knows or has a particular poi person of
interest and i think that that was probably gathered from those two things the timelines never made sense amongst
any of the witnesses or any of the people that were there and neither has the vehicle situation
so you're telling me that cheyenne says i saw dp at the park but we don't know what time
she's claiming she saw him is she saying that he was with somebody or alone she was saying he was with somebody that
was part of the they were part of the heterosexual couple as how she described it but the person
that she's saying he was with is this person that acts yes that's what makes this person so
interesting to me is because none of the stories line up none of the stories make any sense so if
you're having a hard time following the story well don't blame you because their stories just don't line up but
cheyenne also said that she saw dp's car in which parking lot uh it was parked i
believe at the mirror's lot but there's another eyewitness that disputes this claim yeah there was an eyewitness
that drove by around three o'clock and said that she only saw two cars if all the people who were
there say they were there all the people that say they were there actually were there then there would be
a lot more than two cars because we know fsg was there and possibly parked there
um we know derek was parked there yeah and derrick got there and parked there around
just after three o'clock so and it's not clear even where cheyenne parked right yeah it's and uh
i guess there's there's reason to question that if she was even there that day absolutely there's she as a matter of
fact she says she leaves at four o'clock and if she's leaving she notices a man who she later finds or realizes derek
uh sitting in the parking lot with another person in the in the car doing what looks like
a drug deal well derek wasn't with anybody that day okay tara later came and came but but she didn't arrive till 4
10. so how did she how did cheyenne see see anybody in the car as a matter of fact
when when tara got there she says that derek jumped in the car with her so how did cheyenne see derek doing what
looked like a drug deal at four o'clock it's possible that her her time frame is
just off right but they did she got he got in he got in the other car did she identify
derek as being derrick or just some guy she said originally she changed it later
on to really when she realized it was derek or is that the way she put it she changed she said it was derek
i mean come on people how many times are you going to keep changing your story again again that just goes to part of
the the stories and how they've changed i understand people's recollection but a lot of this seems a lot more than that
than just you know misinterpreting times and things like that she the reason you know she she knew she got
there because at 250 because she remembers a robo call she got and she remembers leaving
at four o'clock because she didn't have good enough uh cell service to upload the picture to
snapchat that she took and she did that about ten minutes before four so she knew her times were right or at
least she said she knew her times were right well this is a small town and i think
some of this information was getting leaked or at least some rumors were happening it sounds to
me like cheyenne is having one story and then once she finds out well no derek was in that area
at that time then she comes back and goes oh it just wasn't some man that i saw it was derek again
we have a eyewitness that is changing his story that puts himself at the scene of the crime roughly around
the time of the murders doesn't come forward right away knows the girls i believe at some point
people said he was following one of them on facebook possibly could have been following them
on snapchat said that he rode the bus with them that they lived you know a couple miles away so he knew
the victims but again their stories keep changing and how suspicious is that then cheyenne says that she sees
dp's car at the other parking lot but it seems like he would have been parked at this
cps building and waiting for the girls i think it's possible yeah kind of i think i think if you if you if you go by
what law enforcement says that the car parked at the cps building could have possibly been there from
as early as 12 o'clock i think uh it seems likely i don't think the 12 i don't think that
the 12 to five i think that's just giving them some leeway but i think they know that uh he
was probably there longer than than what what he said so dp is changing his story constantly cheyenne
is changing her story she is the only one that claims to see his car there we have other credible eyewitnesses that
don't see his car so that's very suspicious why would you be driving somebody else's car
to the park that day maybe because you don't want your car to be seen because maybe you're going to do
something bad possibly again that go that goes back to you know law enforcement saying in the 2019 press conference that
they were looking for the driver of the vehicle that tells that tells me it's likely that it was uh
whoever they were whoever they're trying to find information of was driving a vehicle that wasn't his a borrowed
vehicle but we also believed that there was an eyewitness that would have saw the driver of that vehicle yeah i think
i think that uh yeah obviously there was there was a witness that saw there was a witness that saw somebody
that that that ends up being the second sketch um i think there's a possibility that
that's that which is the same person who saw the car uh as as bg was exiting the park now even though
sketch one and sketch two they're worlds apart but there are some similarities but your person of interest dp
matches both of these which is very concerning and the second sketchup was a release of
the younger individual he matches he matches that sketch more than any other person of interest i've seen
match a sketch now hopefully that gets out to the internet and people can make their
own predictions and own assumptions on that well let me ask you this if like we mentioned earlier
a lot of locals knew that there was a second sketch early on if you'd killed some two people and you
had gotten you had gotten wind that there was another there was a sketch out there
i mean you obviously yeah or no this at this point i'm talking about the sketch being done three or four days later
because he didn't come forward till after that you got you know what i'm saying is
if you killed somebody and you found out law enforcement didn't just have this photo that they released
but they also have a sketch exactly yeah you would think you had been seen right i mean you you know so
that's certainly an incentive to come forward to explain your words explain your whereabouts and why you were there
that day you waited a week to come forward or at least a week why you know why why did you do that first of all and
secondly uh uh is that is that the is that the reason you know law enforcement has
has thought that this person is following the case and getting information you want to know what we know and so uh
i think it's likely that somebody was sharing information with him or he had access to that and uh and
that's why he came forward well and you also after you're doing a lot of your research and you're looking
into dp you notice that a lot of the comments that the police officers are making or
law enforcement is making about their suspect or when they talking to the killer
that it really applies to the research and the misinformation that they got from these
eyewitnesses early on they talked about we believe that we were lied to early on
or that we didn't identify this person correctly and so to have the confidence that he had to go into law
enforcement and say hey look i was there i was an eyewitness i saw bg and i think
the small town of component comes in here because they believed him because they said well
look at him look at his family and look at what they've done in the community this is a kid
that we can trust and i think they bought whatever story he was selling initially
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Delphi Murders /// Under The Bridge /// Part 1

Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Delphi murders, investigation details, and a suspicious person of interest with conflicting accounts.

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Welcome to True Crime Garage. Hosts Nick and Captain introduce the episode and thank listeners for their support.
The Search for Liberty and Abigail. The search for two missing girls begins after they fail to return home.
Community Support in Search Efforts. Volunteers from the community come together to search for the missing girls.
The Person of Interest. Discussion about a key person of interest who was present at the crime scene.
The Timeline of Events. A detailed timeline reveals the moments leading up to the girls' disappearance.
Suspicious Witness Behavior. A witness claims to have seen a suspicious person but delays reporting it for days.

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