Delphi Murders /// 542 /// Off The Record | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] [Music] my name is sergeant jeremy pierce the public information officer with the
indiana state police out of lafayette post while investigating the murders of abigail williams and liberty german
detectives with the carroll county sheriff's office and the indiana state police have uncovered an online profile
named anthony schatz this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social media applications including
but not limited to snapchat and instagram the fictitious anthony schatz profile used images of a known male model
and portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars
the creator of the fictitious profile use this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit nude
images obtain their address and attempt to meet with them pictured on your screen you'll see
images of the known male model and images of the fictitious profile sent to the underage females
we have already identified the mail in these images that were used by anthony shots
the mail and the photo is not the person of interest in the investigation detectives are seeking information about
the person who created the anthony shot's profile investigators would like any individual
who communicated met or attempted to meet the anthony shot's profile to contact law enforcement by
utilizing the tip email abby and libby tip at cacoshrf.com please provide as much information as
you possibly can for example when you communicated with anthony schatz how you communicated with the profile
what social media applications the account used and if anthony schatz attempted to meet you or obtain your
address if you have saved images or conversations with anthony shot's profile please attach them to your email
again if you have any information please contact law enforcement by utilizing the
tip email abby and libby tip at cacoshrf.com thank you [Music] [Applause] on february 13 2017
13 year old abby williams and 14 year old libby german disappeared in delphi indiana and this has now become an
incredibly infamous case with news spreading across the nation almost immediately back in 2017.
unfortunately the next day the bodies of both girls were discovered the following
day on february 15 2017 a cell phone image was released to the public that image contained a person that we
have been referring to as bg or bridge guy this is because this is the suspect or the killer of the girls who was
spotted on the bridge and captured on libby german's phone that image again was released to the
public on the 15th the week later audio was released saying down the hill we can hear the suspect
saying down the hill which sounds like he's directing the girls away from the monon high bridge and to where they will
eventually be killed on july 17 2017 a sketch was released and then in april of 2019 a new
sketch and additional audio was released the new sketch looked to be similar to the first sketch that was released
may have been of a different person but appeared to be younger at the very least and the additional
audio that we hear is saying guys down the hill again almost sounding like the killer the abductor was instructing
both of the girls starting in 2017 when we had the double homicide law enforcement was asking anyone with any
information at all to send tips to abby and libby tip at cacoshrf.com and they were requesting that you
include the following information the suspect's name date of birth or approximate age
physical description including height weight hair color and eye color address or location including city
vehicle information including year make model and color vehicle specific reason for your tip why could
they be the suspect motivation for the crime and connection to delphi indiana and of course they were reminding the
public that individuals don't need to have all of those pieces to send a tip but they do ask to include as many
details as possible last week the indiana state police sent out the request for additional
information that you heard at the top of this show this time they are asking for anyone
that has any information in regards to an online name a user profile on social media accounts going by the name of
anthony underscore shots and with this case being so highly publicized this is really the first big information since
the press conference in 2019 we have a situation captain where we have a public that is has a strong
desire to help in some way help this community try to heal bring some justice to
the situation for both of our victims libby and abby and their families and so we have a public that feels like it's
starved for information give us some information let us help us to help you is kind of the old
expression there right here what's interesting with the new information that comes out december 7th of this year
just last week is we are told at the early part of that request by isp indiana state police that
while investigating the murders of abigail williams in liberty german detectives with the carroll county
sheriff's department and the indiana state police uncovered an online profile named
anthony underscore shots this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social media applications including but
not limited to snapchat and instagram and then later they say detectives are seeking information about the person who
created the anthony underscore shots profile investigators urge any individual who communicated with
met or attempted to meet the anthony schatz profiler to contact law enforcement by utilizing
the tip email and telephone number that is used in the delphi double homicide case the abbey
and libby tip at cacoshrf.com and then the number is 765-822-3535 that's the phone tip the really
interesting parts here to the general public are going to be the the start of that request bookended by the end of it
right so at the book ends we have while investigating the double homicide right this is some information that we
came into they're of course going to be vague and unclear of how they came into this information or how it's it's
involved in their homicide investigation and then at the other end they're saying you know what
we need more information about anthony shots and when you send us that information here is the vehicle here is
the avenue to giving us that information and that's going to be through the same
ways that we are requesting tips in the double homicide which makes you believe that they're connected but also your
ears perk up when you hear online profile not limited to snapchat and instagram because
the girls were on the bridge they took pictures on snapchat that's one of the ways that their friends and family were
able to locate them this case has had many titles abby and libby's case the delphi murders the snapchat murders yes
and unfortunately this these double homicides took place in february of 2017 and we covered i
believe it was early may of 2017 was the first time we discussed it here in the garage and at that time i mean you you
sit back and you look and you go okay well the information we have today it doesn't all make sense
there's a lot of blanks to fill in there's a lot of dots to be connected we don't know what exactly is connected
to the case and what is not connected to libby and abby's case right so you sit here and go well this situation seems a
little confusing and we don't seem to have a whole lot of information well guess what hop in the delorean and go
back to may of 2017 and see what kind of information you had and uh we had to do
a show on the case because we were both really absorbed by the thing we were really
eyeballs deep in this thing for weeks and we just said look we understand there's not a lot here
not a lot to chew on but also maybe we can help shine some light and get some information coming in and so there was a
lot of speculation offered up by us and we pulled in speculation that we were seeing on the internet and chat rooms
and reddit and everywhere else web sleuths wherever we could find different speculation and some of it you know
probably more on point than others but again at the time we didn't know much and we still don't know a whole lot so
we won't know what was spot on until they get this thing solved in the last four years this case has probably been
investigated more times by armchair detectives and web slus than any other case and it's all over the place on
podcast i mean this i was a little surprised to see the number of people and podcasts that hit this update
with the quickness last week right and so here in the garage we had our case that we were talking about last week and
this was really earth-shattering stuff to us because i mean it's just kind of stunning it stops you in your tracks and
you go okay this seems to be something new but i don't know really what to make of it
and i'm a little confused and a little foggy on how it's tied in or even if it is tied into libby and abby's case well
like you said it's the same tip line but they're not coming out and saying that this person is a suspect in the murders
of abby and libby it seems that that's what they're implying but they're not coming out and directly saying that and
then with the news coverage of this case being ramped up not just by podcasts but
people on youtube creators on youtube and the media in general and then you have local news coming out just the next
day saying well we know who anthony schatz is or at least we know who created the account and they knew that
back in 2017 well i'm glad that you brought up the snapchat killer or whatever that moniker was that was
floating around in 2017 because i've been watching a lot of news clips listening to a lot of different people
reading a lot of stuff over the course of the last i've been hyper hyper into it for the last 72 hours right but
incredible amount of stuff that you can find on the internet and elsewhere late last week
one thing that i got a little annoyed with was seeing and reading multiple sources saying
you know we when we were looking into this last year when we were talking to the locals a couple years ago we kept
hearing these rumors of there's some kind of connection to the internet or connection to social media
snapchat referenced and we didn't feel that we should discuss that or we didn't feel that it was appropriate
or we were asked not to mention that or we didn't know if it was credible right i just don't really understand why
anybody felt like they were to be sitting on that information this those were rumors that were going on
within weeks of the homicide not only is this case connected to snapchat because the girls were on snapchat
taking photos of themselves at the bridge but he had an individual that came forward that claimed that he knew one of
the girls was talking to an older individual online right and i'll tell you what the situation is yes you could
see that that could be plausible that that that might even be likely it's difficult to say
i feel like with this new information that comes out it it either suggests that that's far more
likely than we once thought or this is a whole different a whole different monster into itself in
regards to the tips you know with requesting tip information from the public in in kudos to you public
and armchair sleuths and internet sleuths out there there's been no shortage of information that has been presented to
isp and the carroll county sheriff's office and the fbi how much of it is actually good
information probably not very much at all would be my speculation you can't you know you
can't smack somebody on on the hand for trying to help and so this is the situation that we find
ourselves in once again we are asked to give more help and if anybody knows anything let's report it and if anybody
has any information specifically about anthony shots any kind of online profile social media profile anthony shots they
want to hear from you now one thing that i think is a little bit of a a misstep here in this investigation and
a misstep in the request for information from the public that i think that they really kind of left out
in the 2017 request for information i want to start off by giving them some praise here because i think it's
smart and valuable to tell the public and remind them that we are looking for specific
information right name of the individual that you're reporting if you have a date of birth even if you
can just tell us a year that he was born or approximate age physical description
where the person may live or known location especially at the time or a time around the murders
vehicle information specific reason why you're giving the tip right why do you suspect this person
and what would be their motivation for committing such a heinous crime their connection to the area delphi
indiana that's not you know what 2900 people live there approximately what would be this person's connection
to the monin high bridge or the trail system or delphi itself or even carroll county
well one of the things i took notice of right away is that they had jeremy piers
asking for this information sergeant jeremy pierce why didn't they have to bless and
or carter asked this information to law enforcement agents that anybody following this case could
identify those guys yeah you're right captain we have superintendent of the indiana state police douglas carter
and the carroll county sheriff tobe leslie who have kind of become the face of this investigation
or the faces of this investigation i think i have that answer but i want to kind of finish what i was talking about
in regards to this tip in and where i think there was a bit of a misstep because right i want to give them praise
because i think giving the public what they consider to be reminding them we want specific information here and
almost giving the public a template this is what we're looking for can you fill out as much of this template as possible
when submitting your tip this will be most helpful to us the thing that i think they missed here
was what the fbi was telling us in the early stages of the investigation because remember i know it was your
feeling it was my feeling and i think it was the feeling of everyone in delphi and across this greatest of nations that
we thought that an arrest was coming really quickly when this case broke and we had the fbi up front and center
telling us the public do you know somebody that is behaving differently today than
they were behaving on february 12th or february 13th of 2017. has this person changed have is their personality
different are they angry or sad or suicidal are they not speaking to anyone right or have
they developed a drinking issue or drug issue appearance changed their appearance
and the one i think that i think is the most important thing that the fbi was asking us
was we want to hear from you if you know somebody that was supposed to be somewhere on
february 13th and didn't show up maybe they called off work maybe they had a doctor's appointment that they
missed or maybe they told you that they were going to the dentist but later you found out they never did or never even
had an appointment maybe they told you they were going out of town for work was there somebody that you knew that left
abruptly on the 14th or the 15th of february that's one thing that i think is is
needs to be thrown out there as a reminder to the public and i think they should
attach that to their little template that they've given us now i know that i'm saying that and we're discussing
this case and it's almost five years later so who knows but hold on a second they're
also not telling us that this guy is even connected to the delphi murders could you add that to what they're
already telling us last week i i think one of the things that they did which was a good thing even though media
the next day said hey we we know who this individual is or at least who we think created this account
i thought one of the things they did well is we're looking for anybody who who has had contact
with this profile and did they try to meet up with you do you know any because it could be multiple
people that use that profile right but to answer your first question here we have uh sheriff tobe lesenbee
told the carroll county comment on tuesday that he would not deviate from the press release information this
is the request from the indiana state police he said the reason the press release
came from the indiana state police to answer your question why it didn't come from tobe lesnbe
and the sheriff's department he says it's simply because that that agency has the most media resources available in
the state of indiana toblesimbi denied that the case is now an indiana state police case he said it
continues to be a multi-agency case in carroll county he said the information requested in the press release could be
information that would help to potentially move forward with the investigation and he's referencing
libyan abbey's case right in regard to sergeant jeremy piers delivering this message
to the public i think that part of it's pretty simple you know we have the words
from toblesimbi to give his response or his answer to why it didn't come from him right but
the indiana state police has always kind of been the the focal point right doug carter has
always kind of been the the face and the voice that you think of when you think of law
enforcement being involved in this case and so as far as jeremy pierce being the one to
deliver that information i mean look at his title he's the public information officer for the lafayette post well he
probably has some training with the media i mean he delivered the message very clearly and look at how the case
was handled early on in the very early stages the information that was coming out or the the person fielding the
questions was um sergeant kim riley before we started seeing doug carter all the
time and sergeant kim riley his title was public information officer so it's actually coming from the
what is likely the most appropriate person to deliver the information one thing that is a little tricky is that it's
coming from the lafayette post right so it's coming from that specific post they have posts all over the state
of of indiana they could have chose any of them i guess but i thought that sergeant jeremy pierce
did a great job on his clear and concise delivery of the information that we needed to know that
they they believe that we need to know and asking and requesting for information in return but this makes it
to me a lot more confusing of a case because again they they make the statement we're
looking for people or looking for anybody that had contact with this social media profile
any information on this individual the next day the media is telling you well we know who the individual is well
so then it makes you question why didn't they just come out and say we know that
this guy created the account we know that klein keegan klein created the account we know that he used
the account but we need more information about him or maybe other individuals that use
their account okay so you might be getting ahead of some of the people here so let's let's fill them in a little bit
what we have here is that a late release that came out tuesday of last week stated that
lafayette court documents obtained by wlfi tv news 18. this is news 18 i've seen news
13 as being the one to break this end of the case but that's another argument for
another day revealed the man behind the account according to their account child
pornography charges filed in 2020 suggests that it is 27 year old keegan klein keegan
anthony klein klein was charged last year with 30 counts i'm sorry with 30 felonies
pending in miami county the heavily redacted court documents make no mention of the delphi case
although they note fbi made contact with klein while working another indiana state police case
klein has not been arrested or charged in connection to the delphi investigation
and since we have those court records can you go over the list of charges against klein klein is being charged
with child solicitation child exploitation possession of child pornography child exploitation child
exploitation possession of child pornography synthetic identity deception and obstruction of justice
one thing i want to make sure that i address before we move on too far here captain
i get contacted all the time from people that say and i don't i don't want to sound like i'm annoyed
i just want to make sure that i'm kind of clearing the way for our discussion as we have it and i apologize to you
those of you that are not comfortable with the terminology of child pornography i get contacted all the time
and this is a healthy reminder i think this is a healthy reminder that words do matter and people get concerned and say
nick could you please stop saying child pornography because it implies that the child is willingly
participating in whatever is depicted in those images or or the video or what have you
we use that terminology here in the garage because as you just heard that is the legal terminology that this man
if we can call him that will be charged with yeah we can call him a [ __ ] bag so for the sake of
keeping the show moving along we use that terminology and we i want to point out that i i feel like
the general understanding should be as it's understood by the law a child doesn't have the ability to
legally consent to whatever was depicted in those images or those videos we've decided as a society that that's
not appropriate and that that is illegal and that that child is probably doing something that they do not want to
participate in that they are being forced to do it we've decided that they are too young to mentally and
emotionally consent to any of that so i don't think that anybody here in the garage believes that
these children are agreeing to do whatever that they are forced to do right again it's just
the terminology that's used in the the legal realm if you will and so for for uh to keep things moving along we'll
continue to use that that terminology you had said why not doug carter and you know he's kind of become the
super cop in the the delphi case he's the one that is obviously very emotional and very
emotionally invested in this case that seems obvious to me i wonder captain if that was
either decided specifically to make sure that the whole world didn't get thrown into a tailspin
we cannot say we cannot sit here and say if we and when i say we i mean the whole
the public and whole is the public overreacting to this request for information we won't know that until
they solve the delphi case it could be that we are in fact overreacting and maybe isp was fearful of an overreaction
by the public and so they chose not to put doug carter's face and voice on this request for the
information as far as what they are requesting again you're very smart to be pointing
out it's a little convoluted right captain that it's confusing what they are requesting from us because it seems
like well they already knew yeah who was behind the anthony underscore shots profile or at least who created it or at
least who created it and who was using it for dirty deeds but yet they're asking us for
information about the creator about the profile itself i think what's interesting there what's really
interesting to me there is that they they have not had to say that this guy is a suspect or isn't a suspect in the
delphi case they haven't had to tell us yes we knew who was doing this until presented with
that information and confronted with that information they're simply saying i think they're leaving the door open
right we want information about this profile what it was being used for who was using
it and and what who they were interacting with and why yeah not necessarily saying we want to know who keegan
anthony klein was interacting with they're leaving the door open to being a possibility that maybe other people were
using this profile or a similar profile yeah in the last few days i've been doing a
lot of research on the dark web and this seems like a very common thing where somebody creates a social media account
gets all the pictures and information and then sells that to you and ari has made contact with women
or girls and has already got them to start sending videos or pictures the other thing too
we need to keep in mind is they they being law enforcement are probably very concerned that they
don't know every avenue and outlet that klein used this profile for right so you
want to keep that door open they need information they're not going to limit they're not going to say hey we're only
we only want this or that or the other thing there they want the floodgates to come open with information to them about
this anthony schatz profile and you're exactly right captain you are exactly right
crime is just like anything else on this big blue marble right if some guy's got
a really good golf swing and he can drive the ball 300 yards and he's shooting under par every day of his life
well guess what doesn't everybody and their brothers try to emulate that golf swing
just like criminals do they sit back and they see what works and what doesn't work and the things that don't work or
get people caught those are the things that they avoid and the things that work whether it be stealing money embezzling
money whatever or finding a victim to get nude pictures or or a murder victim or what have you
what works that's what they go for they they will copy cat what works and they will avoid what they've seen that does
not work [Music] [Music] [Music] you know the holidays are a difficult time to be missing loved ones especially
when they've never gotten justice that's the case in delphi for the families of libby german and abby williams but
tonight libby's grandfather does have some hope from that new potential lead a fake social media profile state police
are trying to learn more about right now our emily longnecker talked with him about his wish for justice this
christmas heavy to carry it around this long knowing that somebody's done this and
they're still out there for nearly five years mike patty has carried the weight of not knowing who killed his
granddaughter libby german and her friend abby williams on a nature trail in delphi in february 2017. nobody had a
right to do that you know what i mean two innocent girls lives had no right you had no right to do that
this is the man police say murdered the girls sometime after libby captured him on video using her cell phone and also
recording his voice now nearly five years later with christmas just weeks away patty thinks
about how different the holidays are without his granddaughter what do you do for libby you know i mean
what do we do do you put out stocking i mean you know me and would you do a set of
places this year patty hopes there is something the public can do for libby and abby now
that investigators have asked for help indiana state police want to hear from anyone who may have had contact via
social media with the profile name anthony underscore shots investigators say the profile is connected to the
delphi investigation it's another step in the case you know and and i think it is it is a big one patty says he hasn't
read the court documents out of miami county linking the profile name to this man keegan anthony klein kline is in
jail right now awaiting trial on a separate case involving multiple charges involving child exploitation and
possession of child porn investigators haven't named klein as a suspect or even a person of interest in the murders of
abby and libby court documents show investigators searched klein's peru home 11 days after
the girl's bodies were found in those same documents police allege client created the anthony schatz account six
months prior to the girl's disappearance telling police he made the account to contact girls some under 16. mike patty
says he doesn't recognize kline's name or know whether his granddaughter had any contact with him via social media
but says he warned libby about strangers reaching out on the internet because i've discussed so many things in
relation to safety and just being you know cautious of your surroundings at all times mike patty says it's his
understanding tips have been coming in since monday night when investigators asked for new information he's praying
one of those tips can eventually lead to charges against the person responsible for libby and abby's murders and we're
going to push forward and we're going to drive hard to get justice you know that's what i'm focused on
now we asked state police today if investigators have received any new calls or tips about the anthony social
media profile that they asked us to share with you but state police said they could not answer our question now
the reward for information leading to an arrest in the delphi murders now stands
at 350 thousand dollars if you can help email the abby and libby tipline you see
here on your screen you can also find it on our website tonight wthr.com now keegan anthony klein the man who
court documents say ran the anthony shot's profile is not charged in the deaths of abby williams and libby german
but he is in jail right now on charges for crimes against children police right now are trying to figure out if there's
any connection to the delphi murders our rich nye hit the road to retrace exactly
what led police decline in february 2017 11 days after the bodies of abby williams and libby german
were found police served a search warrant at this house in peru where keegan klein lived with his father
court records say klein created the anthony schatz fake social media profile to meet underage girls police allegedly
found sexually explicit images of underage girls on multiple electronic devices klein was not arrested until august 2020
at his girlfriend's apartment in kokomo he faces 30 felony charges involving child pornography but no charges in the
delphi murders keegan klein was booked into the miami county jail on august 19 2020 so he's been here for well over a
year now he'd have to come up with 26 thousand five hundred dollars in cash to get out on bail before his trial
so again to be clear there is nothing from police that connects abby and libby to that man but the only thing that is
clear investigators really want to hear more from anyone who's communicated with
that account we have a full timeline of events here backgrounds on the killings and remember those sketches that police
have released as well all tonight on wthr.com so we started to touch on this captain before the break there and we
mentioned this keegan anthony klein individual and he's been directly tied to the anthony underscore shots profile
or at least one of those profiles that was being used we know that he's not been
directly connected to the libyan abbey murder investigation other than we have isp telling us that during the
course of that investigation they then latched on to this anthony schatz thing which led them
to keegan anthony klein you want to talk about a an emotional roller coaster here right
what was your initial reaction on that monday night when we hear police are looking for information
and it's somehow tied to the delphi case well at first i thought well here's some
new information that we haven't heard and if you connect this with what they were stating in 2019
if these are connected this could be something and then when you find out that once you figure out that multiple family
members of the victims talk to press and say look we're hopeful this is something
and kelsey which is pretty reserved in the information that she shares online was posting this all over social media
really made me feel like okay now maybe we're taking a step in the right direction kelsey is libby's older sister
and you're right she doesn't have like this sort of knee-jerk reaction to any time there's
some creep that's been arrested in indiana or some unfortunate murder takes place and they've made an arrest there
she doesn't do that you're right she she kind of sits back and lets the information take direct her reaction i
believe so i believe the family members are in close contact with law enforcement
and i think that's another reason again that's me assuming that they're sharing this information
because that maybe they know more about it from their contact with law enforcement so
it very much made me feel like we're headed in the right direction well and that's something that i wondered about
as well captain because what i did was i had to go back i felt compelled to go back and watch the april 22nd
2019 press release with the emotional doug carter speech followed up with the new sketch and the
additional audio the addition of guys added to down the hill and in that press release at that press
conference isp is telling us hey please do not reach out media don't reach out to the families of our victims
here because we gave them this new information before we are delivering it to you right now
right but we only gave it to him minutes you know or hours they just heard that this morning
and now this is still new information to them as well so i really wondered that same thing if that same scenario took
place in this situation where hey we're going to send out a request from the public for
information about anthony shots about an anthony schatz social media profile and it's going to come out later today i
wondered if they reached out in advance so that they wouldn't be shocked when they saw it and i'm i'm guessing that
that that may have happened here again i i would assume so and you're right it's it's a weird situation
because that monday night dude i went to bed and i was like i think this is it and and i don't want
to to add too much weight to the information that was coming out but i was still trying to process it but at
the very least and i'll be awfully selfish here and go you know what this gave me some hope i because i was
starting to feel i was starting to become doom and gloom here in this case man like we said since 2019 there hasn't
been a lick of information and really all they've stated yeah i think it was a few months back where they stated
we have a blackout towards media we're not going to share any information so when this comes out
you go oh they're on to something and what my sources were telling me instantly was this is not the last of
this information to come out and there'd be more information in the following week
well then the next day when the media is telling you they already know who this individual is
and he's already been arrested to me that was like you know it's deflating a punch in the
gut yeah it's deflating because i went to bed monday night going all right well here we have something this this is
something that they're going to receive a wealth of information from the public about and this is going to create new
leads it's going to give them new a new breadcrumb trail probably multiple breadcrumb trails and it could lead to
bridge guy and then yeah the the news on tuesday saying we find out well they already know who
this guy is one thing you kind of wonder don't you kind of wonder is there is there a chance
that the indiana state police puts out this information with the idea that they don't know i
mean they don't say we don't know who who is responsible for this they simply throw it out to the public we need
information about anthony underscore shots profiles and kind of leave it open-ended and then maybe do they leak
purposely leak to somebody because i have a hard time believing that that some news station just just stumbled on
it or knew the right place to look i get i guess maybe it wouldn't be that that terribly difficult if you started to
really review what they were doing in the very early processes of their investigation the murder investigation
well their knowledge of the warrants that they were that they were uh filing and carrying out yeah the knowledge
again a good journalist has extensive knowledge and case files and for them to have also contacts too i mean they might
have somebody at the courthouse going hey you know this is connected to a case or this this
announcement is connected to this case that's already ongoing i mean look one we're holding this individual for quite
a long time before a trial takes place my thing was if you connect it with the information we already know and and you
have to then assume that it's somehow connected that this klein character is connected to delphi
then to me it's it's either a to a crime a to b crime or a to like z crime and what i mean by that is we know that
klein was using these profiles is their connection to the profile when klein was using it to the victims
some people say yes uh there is some information online about that i'll share these pictures with you in a second to
get your opinions on them but the other thought was well maybe he had access to the profiles he was
setting them up he was using them and somebody like possibly his father then took these and used them to try to
lure abby and libby to the park the other thing too here captain is the situation
where it may be an unknown individual was using a similar profile that was either
set up or or the creative end of it was inspired by an already established profile that
seemed to be working anthony shots and when i say working it means what he set it up to do get nude photos
of underage girls and videos and and that sort of thing it was working because it was
it was getting what he set out to achieve a lot of times these guys are sharing images and and files electronic files
with one another and trading them some of them almost collecting them and was this
something that he could have inspired someone else to do or somebody saw this thing working and thought you know what
i'm going to copycat that yeah that's the other thing too is sometimes you you see a profile we've seen this on mtv's
catfish where somebody sets up a profile anthony shots and then somebody else sees that profile
and says well look here's all this information i can take this and set up my own one because one of the
things that i saw in documents is i've seen anthony underscore shots and i've also seen anthony underscore shot
without the s and i don't know if that is just a typo or if there was multiple accounts
so then we have again somebody could uh took this profile took this idea and used it themselves and then that
would have nothing to do with klein but like i said this deep dive that i've been doing the last week into the dark
web it seems like this is something that goes on a lot more than you would expect and the
way they do it is a couple ways i set up this account i start getting these conversations going with different
groups of underage girls or underage boys and then i give you access so now you can have conversations with
them you could try to meet them up if you wanted to or i just you pay for access and now the
account is yours so that opens up a whole web of who it could be but it seems to
me like like i said we've been covering so many cases i know little to nothing about this
world but what they're stating in a lot of the research i've done is well guys that do this stuff guys
that are there into the dark web guys that are into using the internet in nefarious ways
they kind of they all kind of find each other it's kind of like you you know the
guys that play fantasy football they somehow are friends with a lot of other guys that play fantasy football just
like music is a passion a hobby whatever a lot of my friends are musicians so same thing
these scumbags they they find each other yeah and it could be very it could be just as simple as they
can see online people interacting with one another and go you know what that could be a fake profile and that is
definitely an underage person that's communicating with them it's just like a bomb maker right nobody
is born into this world knowing how to make a bomb but what you do is if you want to
take on that dirty deed as a hobby well you learn and you hone that skill and you learn how to make better bombs more
sophisticated bombs more undetectable bombs and so on and so forth and you you learn that skill and this can be
the same situation where anthony underscores shots and it might be annoying to hear me keep saying
underscore but as you pointed out you've seen anthony underscore shot at times i've also seen anthony
schatz with no underscore right and i kind of annoyingly keep saying that because that is specifically what the
indiana state police is asking for so you may have a situation here where you take any you take any uh
manufacturing situation or or creative situation some people are better at certain tasks
in certain have different abilities than others right so could you have a situation where somebody is really good
at setting up creating a fictitious account but another individual another unfortunately like-minded
individual might not be very good at setting them up but is really good at doing the
communication part the back and forth of uh talking and tricking these people into getting what they want from them
well yeah and just because you post a couple pictures of your cars online and just because you
not your cars but cars that you're claiming are yours houses that you claim are yours
or pictures that you claim are of you that doesn't mean that you're going to be able to carry on a conversation but i
would also say in this day and age which i i do believe is pretty sad is we've gotten into a
situation where it doesn't take a lot of conversation or a lot of getting to know
somebody before people start exchanging these types of pictures uh now what i sent you through your phone which i
don't know if you see this this is a post that libby posted and was liked by this anthony underscore
shots account now the screenshot i have next to anthony underscore shots account
normally it would say follow but this one says requested so i'm guessing whoever
got this information and posted online requested to follow anthony underscore shots online
and i think it was that monday when the information came out some of my sources were saying that if you went and found
these accounts online whether it was through i believe is mainly through instagram
where the number of followers was changing sometimes increasing some times decreasing almost meaning that
somebody was using the account either to add people or to delete people but there was definitely people
that once they heard this information they tried to find these accounts and then try to request to follow them so
they could get more information from the profile well and one of the people that
reached out to me almost immediately and this was first thing tuesday am after this is why we're still
waiting we've just heard that police are looking for information on anthony shots we
don't have any of the keegan anthony klein information at this time when i when i first get this message but it
came from melissa lee the host of the victimology podcast who had the delphi discussion with us here
in episode 395 on true crime garage delphi murders discussion was the title of that episode
and she reached out and said hey what do you make of this this new information and and what the police are requesting
and we traded some uh of our reactions and and shared our reactions and some of our thoughts there but
she pointed out to me and yes i did receive your your your picture here captain and i'm looking at it i'm i'm
not the best to make heads or tails out of these sort of things for social media stuff but uh she passed along
something to me and one thing that she has done really well in her research of the delphi case over the years is she's
very good at collecting information and saving certain things along the way so one thing that she
saved is a this is a facebook post from uh from a facebook group in 2017 that melissa says it's pretty strange
it's on par with what detectives are asking for now see below and she sent me a picture of it and it says
uh liberty german and abigail williams case discussion and a person on there i'll i'll leave
their name out of it on february 26 of 2017 posted to the group okay i'm weirded out
this is probably just a sign that i'm paying too much attention to this case but i went to liberty's instagram
yesterday and noticed that a really strikingly attractive teenager had liked a couple of her posts
i back searched his profile and it was of an old photo of a male model not a real person as he was claiming to
be but he claimed to have just moved to lafayette his profile was private and a typical fishing profile but he only had
50 followers today the likes from him are gone and either his name is changed or his or sorry he
deleted his profile and this poster goes on to say i'm sure the fbi has already read all of their
social networking interactions but i just really wish i'd saved his profile name or emailed it to the sheriff
so that was really interesting to see that was something that she collected back from 2017.
the other thing i would like to discuss and i don't see a lot of people discussing it
online in the discussion rooms and all that stuff is when law enforcement came out and said hey look
that we want information of this profile they posted a lot of pictures of this basically fake it's it's a it's a they
know it's a known male model profile that somebody was taking the the pictures from that profile and then
using them for the anthony underscore shots account but what was also interesting in that
group of pictures that they shared now i don't know if they're just sharing every single picture that was on
that profile or has been linked to that profile but there's again a handful of this male
model some where he has a shirt on sometimes he has a shirt off and then there's other pictures some
being of sports cars and then one picture of being money now the reason why i bring up these
pictures is because i don't find it odd that they shared them but i think maybe they shared them
because they're like is there something we're missing from these pictures meaning
i can have a fake profile and let's say my fake profile i'm using ac slater as my pictures
but if i take a picture of my stack of money i can still post that if i take a picture of a
real sports card that i'm seeing in real life i can post that so just because the profile is fake
doesn't mean all the pictures are fake right and i wonder if that's why i mean the stack of cash is you know
it's a large sum of money but that doesn't mean it's impossible that it's not coming directly from klein or
whoever's using this account the other interesting thing is there's a lot of pictures on klein's
father's facebook of fancy sports cars so i think that's maybe one of the reasons why they posted those because
some of those pictures actually could be real and then maybe they're wondering does somebody that knows klein or knows
people in his circle have they seen these pictures used on other social media profiles is again i
think it's open-ended and that's how you want to leave this thing if you're really
okay so it's kind of it's kind of funny and and please hear the sarcasm in my voice
but what we know is that klein was using a fake profile to be able to connect with underage girls
so he was catfishing them now we have the indiana state police who are openly fishing for information about klein and
this profile this online profile yeah and so yeah you could certainly have a situation where somebody is using real
actual photos i think what you're doing here though captain is you gotta return to the idea of every
time you're asking the public for information you want it to be very open-ended you don't want to close any
doors because you don't want somebody out there that might hold the key the key information that you're looking
for to go you know what well it's nothing i don't need to report this this is nothing it's a waste of their time
it's a waste of my time you're throwing out all the pictures that were associated with this profile
because you're hoping to jog someone's memory right we are told by the indiana state police that they
know that the profile was being used from 2016 to 2017. well that's up that's a kick in the gut right there
that time frame because we know the girls were killed in 2017 and so what they're trying to do with
these images that they include in there in their request for information they're trying to jog someone's memory
that maybe maybe they don't remember the anthony shot's name but maybe one of these pictures
right will will awaken that memory or they'll go well maybe i maybe i did have some interaction with this person
maybe i did or or so and so showed me a picture you know a friend a girlfriend of mine
showed me a picture of somebody she was chatting with online and maybe she's gonna forget but now that image i can
talk to her and say well do you still have any of that can we confirm if it was that profile or not the other thing
that's really interesting to me here is just the way that the of the events have
kind of unfolded and we can get into you know the time frame of everything later but one thing that's really
interesting to me is just given the fact that we know the profile was used in 2016 and 2017
with the sole purpose of communicating with underage girls yeah a pedophile right
so these underage girls some of them may be adults by this time in 2021 they may be less
afraid or less concerned about coming forward yeah they're they're adults now and they may
feel more comfortable saying you know we know that that unfortunately rape is one
of the most underreported crimes in this country and every other country out there
and a lot of that is because of the the shame and the embarrassment and and all of that that comes with that type of
of crime and so here it's it's it's not the same obviously but it's you know somebody's
been tricked and somebody an underage girl unfortunately probably did something or sent something that
they really regret and that they would be afraid to come forward with when they're 13 14 15 years
old because of you know mom and dad might get upset or this could embarrass my family or this
could ruin my chances of getting into a good college i mean you it can go on and on and on the reasons
why not to come forward but now that somebody has matured a little bit and they're a little bit older maybe they'll
feel a little more comfortable uh coming forward and and also please know that this regardless of what they tell
us this does have direct implications in the libyan abbey murder investigation whether at the end of the day klein is
tied to it or not whether at the end of the day the anthony underscore shots profiles tied to it or not it does have
direct implications because we've said it on this show how many shows have we done captain 530
some so we've probably said it on this show 530 sometimes in these investigations
we are obviously are always looking for the person who committed the crime but along the way it is also very
helpful to be checking off and crossing off and exiting out names of people that
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Delphi Murders /// 542 /// Off The Record

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This week we discuss the latest developments in the multi-agency investigation into the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams. The F.B.I., Indiana State Police, and the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office NEED your help. Anyone with information regarding the murders of Libby and Abby or anyone who has had any contact with the online and social media profile name “Anthony_Shots” please email your tip information to abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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Brief Summary

New leads in the Delphi murders involve the 'Anthony Schatz' profile and Keegan Klein's potential connection to the case.

Key points

The Infamous Case of Abby and Libby. The disappearance and tragic discovery of two young girls in Delphi, Indiana, has captivated the nation.
Request for Information on Anthony Schatz. Law enforcement seeks public assistance in identifying the creator of a fictitious online profile linked to the case.
The Role of Social Media in the Investigation. The investigation highlights the connection between social media and the tragic events surrounding Abby and Libby.
Emotional Impact of the Case. The emotional toll on families as they seek justice for their loved ones.
Keegan Klein's Connection to Delphi. Keegan Klein, linked to child exploitation charges, is under scrutiny for his social media profile related to the Delphi case.
Hope for Justice. Families of the victims express hope as new leads emerge in the Delphi investigation.

Episode highlights

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This has now become an incredibly infamous case.

Introduction to the case of Abby and Libby.

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