Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 2 /// 510 | Forensic Files

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[Music] what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murdered two little girls only a cow wouldn't do such a thing don't give up [Music]
we will not stop Doug Carter and he has taken the stand we'll take a listen in in the Delphi Community how grateful I
am you um you inspire people you don't even understand when you don't even understand why
information is being released today is the result of literally thousands and thousands of hours
of extraordinary investigative efforts by Delphi Carroll County the FBI the Indiana State Police and countless other
agencies this community surrounded us some 26 months ago and you did everything you could to
support us but most importantly you surrounded the family of these two little girls
gosh I'll never forget it after you hear what we're going to release today I'm going to ask for your
continued support your continued understanding your empathy and compassion um as we move forward uh to find out who
did this and we will we're seeking The public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked
at the old CPS DCS welfare building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300
North next to the Hoosier Heartland Highway between the hours of noon to five on February 14 2017.
if you were parked there or know who was parked there please contact the officers
at the command post foreign at the Delphi city building we are releasing additional portions of
the audio recording from that day please keep in mind the person talking is one person
and is the person on the bridge with the girls this is not two different people speaking
please listen to it very very carefully we are also releasing video recovered from Libby's phone
this video has never before been previously released the video shows a suspect walking on the
bridge when you see the video watch this watch the person's mannerisms as they walk
watch the mannerisms as he walks do you recognize the mannerisms as big someone that you might know
remember he is walking on the former railroad bridge because of the deteriorated condition of
the bridge the suspect is not walking naturally due to the spacing between the ties
during the course of this investigation we have concluded the first sketch released will become secondary
as of today the result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch which you
will see shortly is the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls
we also believe this person is from Delphi currently or as previously lived here
visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here we believe this person is currently
between the age range of 18 and 40. but might appear younger than its true age directly
to the Killer who may be in this room we believe you are hiding in plain sight for more than two years
you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigated strategy but we have
we likely have interviewed you or someone close to you we know that this is about power to you
and you want to know what we know when one day you will a question to you what will those closest to you think of
they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls two children only a coward would do such
a thing we are confident that you have told someone what you have done or at the very least they know
because how different you are since the murders we try so hard to understand how a
person could do something like this to two children to two children I recently watched a movie called The
Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil about death and about eternity
to the murderer I believe you have just a little bit of a conscience left and I can assure you
that how you left them in that Woods is not it's not what they're experiencing today
to the family I hope that you all will give them some time because we're going to be asking that
there's no media inquiry or no media response for at least the next two weeks and I hope you understand why
the family found out about this about this information this morning I just want the family to know that
when I take my last breath on this Earth I'll be thinking of them there's going to be a tremendous amount
of questions I know that I know that I'm never in my career have I stood in front of something like this
please be patient with us please uh we're just beginning we are just now beginning and I can tell you on behalf
of the sheriff and the police chief so many other partners um that have stood with us over this period
of time that we will not stop directly to the Killer who may be in this room be a cow wouldn't do such a thing
what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls
only a cow wouldn't do such a thing don't give up [Music] we will not stop [Music]
all right me and the colonel are back in the garage talking with skip Jansen about his Person of Interest DP and we
will not stop we've been working this case since the beginning spending hours upon hours outside of the garage talking
with people and that's how we really got hooked up with Skip and his Person of Interest there's so much to it that
makes sense and so much that is still confusing but one of the things that's confusing is why would they go with his
sketch above a sketch that they had beforehand I think I think it was a lot of it had
to do what they saw on on the video they thought maybe they saw it they saw an older guy and I think it's it's
important to remember that law enforcement was really emphasizing you know about the younger face you know pay
attention to is what his body is moves is all of his all of that not not his face I think the the video is not a good
representation of that and but law enforcement early on thought they were looking at somebody who looked more like
the end up being the first sketch than the second sketch yeah I think when you've seen the picture of BG or you see
the video of BG your mind goes towards an older gentleman you see the second sketch you go wow that is not anything
like I pictured this person to be way younger I think people still believe that you know I think they see it in
their mind that they that they see an older person they and they can't get that they can't they can't change that
they it's just kind of burned in their in their brain yeah I still think people are baffled by this case because in 2019
press conference they released the image of a way younger looking individual saying he's between 18 and 40. right
well and that at that point that was when DP recanted his story and said that yeah maybe he didn't see that guy maybe
he saw flannel shirt guy because he realized that final short guy was in close proximity to where he was during
the time on the trails or said he was so but he you know but again the scarf to me is the big takeaway if he saw
somebody with a scarf that he claimed was BG then now you're saying that you may have seen FSU what was FSG wearing a
scarf as well he would have had to have been I've never heard any evidence that FSU was wearing a scarf that day so I
mean that again just something else that doesn't really line up with what he's saying yeah
he constantly is changing his story uh so confusing but also the picture they released in 2019 the predominant feature
to me is the hair and there's rumors that he changes his appearance after that but but what is DP doing between
2017 and 2019 uh before that press conference oh I think that he thinks he's he's gotten away with he's Scott
framing you got a you've got a uh sketch out there that looks nothing like him FBI said one of the things he this part
might do is change his appearance um well he wouldn't have any reason to change his appearance if the sketch
didn't look anything like him right he actually did change his appearance after the 2019 press conference and the new
sketch came out shaved his head grew a beard so that would fall in line more with what they were what they were
talking about well I also feel like like at the 2019 press conference when they come out with the information about the
vehicle and asking for the driver it's almost like they know who they're talking about yeah I think I think there
was a lot there were probably questions about that vehicle and who was in that vehicle and you know when it was there
and who drove it there and all that originally and I think they probably let off with that because they wanted him to
know that they they figured out how that all you know how it all went down and that they had been lied to about that I
think that I think that's one thing I think that's one thing that people are misunderstanding about one of the things
about the case is that law enforcement I think was led astray for the first couple of years in this case because of
all this because of all the misdirection and false information they've admitted that there were Alibis that didn't
didn't add up this newspaper articles about it and so when you see that is that where you go hey here's this guy
online he's saying I'm I'm an eyewitness here's oh here's the people I was with oh no no that's not who I was with us
with some other people right so now we got a guy online saying I'm an eyewitness I was there but he's changing
his story but then his Alibis quote unquote his Alibis would be changing their story as
well and then you see that happening online and then you see this language being used by police is that what sparks
you to go I think this guy should be a person of interest absolutely yeah I mean you know giving the law enforcement
false information is a reason people do it I mean it's uh if you come forward your the expectation is you're telling
the truth there's you know there's there's a reason you're trying to send him down One path and so yeah that's to
answer your question yeah that's exactly why I looked into him as a person of interest so you think 2019 they're
directly talking to your Person of Interest DP can you explain that a little bit more I think I think a lot of
things I think just about everything they said in there you know the fact that somebody this guy had been has been
following the case and that's that's one another thing is that I think one of the
reasons law enforcement has been so skittish about about releasing stuff is not because they don't have anything or
not because you know they're doing it for another reason law enforcement isn't releasing information because they know
this guy is following it and using that information to his benefit okay that and
that's that's pretty obvious so that's one of the things that I think that um you know the once the release of the
sketch was out there you know that everything changed this guy stopped this guy was not talking anymore he uh you
know didn't seem you know so eager to get want to get his story out there but I think everything they said in it was
very pointed and at particularly at uh at one individual and they can't get over the fact that after this press
conference where they won they're turning in a new direction or taking a new Direction but they're putting the
whole conference to the killer this is calling out the Killer and then to have this person of interest change their
appearance after the press conference I have a real hard time getting over that yeah yeah exactly and his his hair was
uh you know I Know sketch is not a photo but his hair was would have been similar
before he shaved it to what you what you saw in the sketch when when do you do you know when he started pulling away
from online chats and not not long after not long after that one of the exact day
but not long after the uh press conference you know you mentioned or you asked earlier about what some of the
things that were said I think that you know when they said directly to the killer you know might be in this room
you know we believe you're hiding in plain sight and the part about you never thought we would shift gears to a
different uh investigative strategy right that that goes to what I said about thinking he thought he was he got
away with it you never thought you know they knew that he knew there was another
sketch but you know he never thought that they were going to change to that and I think that was just I would think
that was them making him aware that uh you know kind of The Jig Is up you know they also said that you know they've
likely interviewed him we know he went and talked to law enforcement yeah uh he was making some statements about talking
with law enforcement online he stayed online that he went there and talked to law enforcement a couple of times he
stated he was there trying to help him that was his uh that was the word he used he was trying to say he was a good
Samaritan just trying to help out you know so again changes the story he was there
uh again changing the story multiple times but changing his appearance we're always told to look out for that
and then we have a eyewitness that is now lawyering up and pulling away from social media he certainly
hasn't been making any social media comments or anything like that like he was early in the case well I heard his
name brought up with a couple people that I've been investigating the case with and back in the day he had his you
could see everything on his social media you could see his post you can see who he was friends with he seems to have
very you know very much so gone dark on the internet you know you can't find much about this individual you can't see
anything you can't see anything online about him at all it's almost like he went dark well and plus he's a he's an
I.T person he actually when he was a sophomore junior in high school he designed the County's website yeah it
seems like he has a talent in this field which you have told me personally that you think that's the reason why there's
been so much misinformation from the beginning maybe he had access to things that other people didn't
but is this possibly the older individual that one of them was talking to online and and is he the reason for
the scrubbing of the cell phone can you explain that a little bit well she let me basically scrubbed her phone rebooted
it restarted reset it said she didn't have some glitches maybe that's true maybe it's not maybe uh maybe she had
been talking with somebody online certainly someone with computer skills would know the reason to you know why
you would why you would uh reset your phone like that to get rid of any information or or any trail of people
you've been talking with well one of the things that I brought up to in one of our discussions is
we know that SnapChat photos were being posted we know that one was posted at roughly I think
207 right I believe is the time but yep there's no mention about did they take a
couple pictures beforehand and post those did they take a couple pictures after those and post those
we're not privy to that information I'm assuming if people were saying well they
were walking on the bridge and talking and taking pictures and they were at the the park for a
while already I'm assuming that there was a couple Snapchats already uploaded but that
doesn't matter if you are following them then you'd be able to do a search and you would have seen their avatars at the
park correct that's right yeah and basically if you're in Delphi even some of the furthest points you're
talking about a 15 to 20 minute drive to get there right so did this person of interest
was he there uh like law enforcement says if that car isn't connected to the killer at 12 or 1 o'clock maybe because
maybe it was set up that way or maybe it's a situation where the person was tracking them through Snapchat
yeah it's that's yeah it's very possible he would uh and then you know like you said
he would be just a minute's drive a short minutes drive away from being able to to uh access the bridge from anywhere
you know in that area so well we know that GP knew their family they they knew the victims yeah yeah one of the things
he says on on social media is that he knew the girls and he had ridden the bus with him before I think he lived maybe
half a mile but uh admitted to knowing the family yeah I don't know how well you know I don't know how well they were
different ages think DP at the time was 22 or 23. uh obviously he was you know seven or eight years older than Abby uh
or Libby would have been so but we believe that DP rode the bus with Libby lived within a couple miles from them
also DPS sister-in-law was one of their softball coaches yeah dp's brother Quentin wife
was was Libby sophomore of the Libby softball coaches why haven't we arrested if if everything that you guys are
saying is in fact true it doesn't seem like that difficult of a case and where I'm going with that is a
couple of things Okay so we can we can sit here and analyze and question and speculate as to why Libby
reset her phone but what we do what I what I want to make sure that we're really touching on is there are facts
there are a lot of facts that are known in this case it just takes a lot of different locations and a lot of
different places to peel them from and piece them together now in regards to her phone
the the statement from Libby's family was that the phone was actually a factory reset that was conducted by Tara
her aunt and the they the phone required the reset because the phone was not working properly because it was an
iPhone 6 and everybody remembers old phones they fill up very quickly with too much stuff and they have no memory
left and then they don't work at all and part of the reason why they had trouble
locating the girls was that there was apps you know find my phone and and things like that on
on the phone but because of that factory reset those apps had not been uploaded once again to the phone right so we we
know that the factory reset happened we know that tarot was the one according to
Libby's family was the one that conducted the factory reset that's right so that's where
that's where I question a little bit how much was if we're if we're making if we're going to make the leap and say
that Libby was hiding something it you're missing the fact that she asked for the factory reset no I'm not
missing that fact I obviously she she would have had to have a conversation with somebody for it to be conducted
she didn't do the factory reset because she didn't know how to right yeah I think that I think again
you know she would have lost everything she lost all you know she she liked to take pictures and photographs so I think
she would have lost all of that I think the the first question would have been you know if you're having a glitch how
do I say how do I save all my photos and all that kind of stuff I don't want to get rid of but what we've been told is
that she just asked for a reset I mean I'm not saying I'm not saying they're lying I'm not saying that they're lying
I'm saying that uh I think there's a reason for the reset maybe one of the reasons other than just a glitch some a
girl that asked you to take all her photos she would lose all that I mean that seems uh more problematic to me
than and that factory reset happened 10 days before right that's right the other
thing that I do want to make sure that we bring up as well is that the family has gone on the record saying that of
course Libby was on Facebook Snapchat Twitter and Instagram and her Becky and Mike
had her passwords as well as they were friends on all four yeah you know I don't know
that that's that the phone is a huge piece of evidence in this case I think it it may explain the you know the fact
that she that somebody that somebody knew she was going to be there that day or or and she had been uh speaking with
someone but I don't know that that you know I don't because I don't think it there's anything uh absolute about it I
don't think you can draw anything absolute coming out of you know because he you know he this guy's admitted he
knew her admitted you know so it's not like he was uh it was that secret about that yeah and I believe at one point he
was friends with Libby on Facebook yeah so I you know I I think again I think Nick's
point is very valid it's like well if you just believe everything's said she reset this phone because there was a
glitch she still yeah she would have still had to do all that stuff and maybe she said look this phone is constantly
not working I don't care if it saves any of the stuff I just want my phone to work yeah so yeah and I want to be clear
here I'm not challenging either one of you guys I'm just what I'm pointing out or challenging the theory itself I mean
there could be any Mill there could be a million reasons why she wanted the there
could be a million reasons why she wanted the phone reset all I'm trying to do as we lay out this theory is there
again there are known facts or statements from the family and from other individuals and I want to make
sure that we are presenting that from all sides so right we're throwing speculation here it's it's it's more
than fair to do so because that's all we're left with at this point but along the way I am going to remind of of what
few facts that we do know to be or statements from the family I just want to make sure that I'm presenting those
as we go because it'd be irresponsible to not do so uh and then the the statement in regard to Libby's phone
from law enforcement is that uh Facebook Snapchat Twitter Instagram and all online contacts were uh things all of
that was accessed analyzed and all online contacts tracked down and interviewed the other thing when we talk
about technology that's bizarre here in this case that we don't have an arrest is that we know that ISP Indiana State
Police did subpoena the phone records for any phone that pinged within a five mile radius of the Mona and high bridge
uh during that time frame that day so they've got a a long list of of phones that they know
to have been in that area at that time yeah that'd be another reason for someone to come forward knowing their
phone had ping there I mean if my phone if I knew my phone was anywhere near there and it ping there I'd come forward
too I'd just be that that goes again toward why would you come forward right but the reason why I'm going down this
path is because it's sounding more and more to me like this is not a random I'm looking for any type of
victim here at the trail or near the bridge it sounds it's sounding more and more to
me like this that one or both of these girls were targeted and yeah in my opinion it wasn't a good
one is definitely targeted and for it to go down that day in this manner the perpetrator needs to know that they're
going to be there that day and the phone is one way that he could have known as the captain has pointed out now the
difficult thing too here also is the um statement from law enforcement in regards to additional audio that was uh
found on the phone from that video and to be clear there's only one video the the picture we have
is from the video the audio we have is from that video there was one video as far as what we've been told by law
enforcement and the additional audio is briefly described as typical girl talk but also discussing the man and where
they could be going again it gets a little tricky to me if they if one of them or both of them may have
known the suspect right I mean don't don't they say his name or or give there I mean there's
there's a whole mountain of reasons why we don't have somebody in handcuffs waiting on a trial right now
yeah well in my opinion to be honest with you is the first two years of the uh again Carter says in the press
conference we're just beginning we're just now beginning okay that tells me let's throw away the first two years
somebody duped law enforcement into believing something that went down the wrong path yeah
they went down the wrong path and gave this guy two years to cover every track to get rid of every piece of evidence
to get his story right to follow the case which they have uh talked about numerous times that they they know this
guy is keeping up with the case following it and uh so that first two years plus another thing that hasn't been
discussed is if this guy has brought in as a witness okay they're gonna they possibly have
some Miranda issues this guy wasn't read his rights before he uh started before he just you know when he said he went in
to help law enforcement that's you know is that is that are they going to have it did they does the
district attorney think realize that and does law enforcement or the police realize that the ISP and and Carroll
County realized that hey we may have some Miranda problems because this guy was interviewed as a witness and
anything he said uh whether we think it's a lie or not can't be used because he wasn't read his rights that's very
interesting [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] one of the things that you talked about is well why would
they go with dp's version of the sketch as opposed to somebody else's and it could be the small town Factor DP
comes from um prominent family and you think that played into some of their decisions or also the fact that he
did work for the county when he was in high school yeah he like I said he designed the uh
County website and yeah I think that I think again I think the the uh small town aspect in this case can't be
overplayed I mean I think it's just it's I think it's huge and how small town people feel and it's law enforcement saw
a kid coming from a prominent family who everybody knows who says he's a witness
there's no reason for them not to believe it and I think in 2018 when the when the Georgia Bureau of Investigation
got involved because they wanted they were doing a peer review and wanted a fresh set of eyes
I think that's probably the time that they realized something doesn't add up with these stories something doesn't add
up with your witness story something doesn't add up about the vehicle some done that about the timeline
and they were able to take the bias and the Prejudice out of it that the local guys may have had that hey it couldn't
be this guy because like it or not that happens I mean law enforcement makes mistakes just
like everybody else you know they're human and when the gbi came in they were able to take the bias out of it and I
think that's when they realized that hey maybe the stories that we've been told we've been LED down the wrong path we've
been uh we've been lied to and that's and that's why then you know not shortly thereafter uh the beginning of 2019 in
April they were they do the press conference and release the new sketch let's get a SK again a sketch they had
two or three or four days after the murders you know and again they I think they released the first one because the
older sketch because they thought that was more along the lines of what they were seeing on the video and they had
Witnesses who said they saw him so that that seems like the likely that seems like the obvious way to go right
is to release that one that's the guy when the gbi came in and they looked over everything they realized hey you
know things aren't the way they seem and that sketch that we had originally is more in line with who we think this
guy is and I I wonder if that if at that point did they go over multiple interviews or did
they re because because Carter had said this multiple times when we you know run out of leads we go
back to the beginning and it's right that's right at some point that's a good point yep when they went back to the
beginning and maybe I mean we have online DP saying that I've talked to law enforcement multiple times was it right
was it the second time that they talked to you that your story didn't make sense
with your first story yeah Cheyenne's story didn't match your story or Cheryl's story didn't match your
story or Shelby hicks's story didn't match your story right yeah I think I think that the time
the timeline is the most important thing because again I go back to what I said originally about the purp not wanting to
be under that bridge between 2 30 and 3 30. you know DP admitted to a source that he was the reason that or he was
part of the arguing couple okay and the reason the reason for that was he explained it as that they explained away
why the girl he was with didn't see BG they said they ran into BG or BG walked past them the girl he was with didn't
see her and the reason was because they were arguing okay now if you're part of the
arguing couple and Derek runs into FSG around 320 and he's coming from the High Bridge and tells Derek that he had just
heard an arguing couple under the bridge but just before that puts arguing couple guy under that
bridge around three o'clock right but that's what he said online but what is he saying to law enforcement
we don't know right right now I'm part of arguing couple well who's the girl you're with well it was my fiance and
they go talk to her and she goes I wasn't there yeah well it was this girl uh because then that would have made
basically the first time they ever talked to him uh suspicious right but I think that's really why he
jumps out to me is when he's constantly changing his stories online and you can actually see what he posted and go well
that doesn't make any sense with the last thing he posted and this guy's also claiming to be there also claiming to be
an eyewitness but like you said okay I'm part of arguing couple that's under the
bridge about three o'clock anything under the bridge to me as part of the crime scene because we have we have the
audio clip of them saying of of the murderer saying guys down the hill correct and we know that uh the most
likely way they got to where they ended up uh where they were found would have been
down the hill by Under the Bridge uh you know down across that private drive over the creek and then to the
final spot um so yeah he would have known definitely that you know they would definitely know he was there
at that time or he would definitely have been there at that time if he's admitting to being uh arguing couple
maybe maybe that was the uh statement that was problematic in terms of you know hey you know I used it to
explain away why the girl didn't see it but it's backfired because of what FSG and that and also May tie into why he
says why he recanted about the original and said maybe he thought he saw FSG he's trying you know because he knows
that puts him there in that spot and again that's the last place the part wants to be
is near that bridge under that bridge between 2 30 and 3 30. so one thing I'm a little unclear on of here skip is the
uh regardless of what girl he what woman he claims he was there with has this woman
been identified and saying that they were there with DP that day she hasn't come out publicly no
now what's been said like you know like the captain said what's been talked about to law enforcement I don't know
but [ __ ] nobody's publicly come out and said they were with DP that day okay so if he is if he was in fact there
by himself hmm that seems a possibility we don't have anybody stating I was the person he
claimed to have been there with in either story correct because both stories have him with somebody else
correct but when Cheyenne sees him is he with somebody she says he's with yeah she's his one corroborating but
again there's nobody there to that says they saw her we don't know that she was there and her stories
changed um multiple times you know her her story carries a little weight because of the
posting of that picture but if you look at it yeah yeah you'd have to you'd have
to uh decide for yourself whether you think the legitimacy of that photo I mean I'm not saying it's not it's a real
photo I'm not we don't we don't know a hundred percent everything about it uh she said she went there to take photos
that day and she she showed just a couple of pictures I mean what you know seems like you've taken you would take a
lot if you went there to take photos well there was stuff that was wrong with the time stamps too right yeah the time
stamp set an hour difference than uh what she claimed it was see I thought she had posted something she did she
just that was the problem it didn't it did that time didn't line up with what the time stamp said well because at some
point she's posting from across the bridge close to the murder scene yes from the
south side yeah I think you know one of the one of the things that I think people have questions about is is well
why didn't they you know why didn't they Grill him and all that kind of stuff again early on law enforcement was
looking for rsos they had there was a serial killer Theory possibly FBI is putting out
flyers all over the country they were going down a totally different Road they were they were looking for an older guy
possibly a like I said a serial killer sexual offender they weren't looking for you know some someone in their 20s
locally and so the folks of the investigation again that's why Carter said we're just
now beginning in the 2019 press conference is because the information that they gathered over that period of
time changed and that's why the emphasis was on his local he's younger and we have a sketch of him what is
Cheyenne's motivation for pretending to be there that day I don't know 100 I don't I don't uh I wouldn't
even really venture to guess uh what somebody's reading somebody give somebody an album if people do it all
the time they do it for love fear money well wait a second hang on because the her motivation for pretending to be
there that day would be giving DP and Alibi if in fact that's not been made clear to anybody
listening yet that that so your your thought is that Cheyenne was with DP that day uh no no I don't know I don't
again until until somebody verifies that they saw her there I don't know that she
was there at all but what would be her motivation for pretending to be there uh like I said it could be in numerous
things you know people people provide Alibis for other people all the time yeah she could have been doing it as a
as uh it may have been innocently at first it may have been you know she he thought she he needed and well he knew
he needed an alibi but if he went to law enforcement and say he was there somebody's got to play somebody's got to
say yeah I saw him there so you can't go and say can't put himself in the middle
of the crime scene so he puts himself in a different spot but that's got to be corroborated he knows that
so but but what's weird to me about DP being there and and like again Cheyenne is just the fact that
there's nobody that is saying that we saw him there I mean he's admitting to be being there so we can assume he's
there right but nobody is saying that they saw him where their story hasn't changed or
hasn't been contradicted in some way that's right that's exactly right I'm getting a little lost here because but
but I agree with Nick where it's like okay but so her stories don't line up but why would she even
said all that she was there why would she say that she saw him at all I mean again it could it could have been
he could have coerced her for whatever reason and you know into believing yeah look he he could he would tell any could
tell anybody hey I was there but I need somebody to say I was there you know I didn't it wasn't me look at the video
that's not me obviously um and they would buy that you know and so uh she may she may give him an alibi in it
you know just doing it innocently I don't know that that would still be the case
um I would think that can be hard to believe that would still be the case but uh but uh
that's that could be a possible reason that any of anybody that was giving him an alibi could have been given Alibi
originally didn't realize what they were giving in Alibi for right that's fair I'm just I'm just pointing
out that we're saying on what with one hand that if DP says he was there then we should believe that to be true but if
Cheyenne says she was there we shouldn't believe it to be true or we should question well what I think we should
question more is not say so much whether or not she was there but what we do know
is based off what she's told people online and what the these posts and these other things that the timeline is
very contradicted so I would say I go to for as far as say DPS said he's there he said he's
eyewitness Cheyenne has come forward and told talked to a bunch of sources online
and said that she was eyewitness not to bridge guy but that she saw TP there right right I I question more her
timeline and so so if she says well I saw a DP there okay you saw DP there and it doesn't even matter if you saw
him with a girl because if she saw him at two o'clock with a girl and it's at a distance we don't know if
that's not Libby or Abby right plus we don't know where she's saying that she saw him at and so that's
all I'm saying is that we know that her story has shifted and morphed so I just don't
I I don't even know if she's essentially lying for DP I think she might just be you know all wise yeah I saw him at
three but really it was four or maybe it was two we don't we don't know well ask
yourself why she was talking publicly anyway I mean she didn't see BG never claimed to see BG so
her her uh basically her existence in the case uh is explaining who she saw that day
so she's coming forward and saying who she saw she did she didn't see the bridge guy so she offers nothing in
terms of a witness to seeing the guy who you know but she is saying oh and she's
trying you know she's putting people in certain places oh I saw this guy and he was with this girl and I saw a girl that
I didn't know was going to be there um so for me that that's that's the best she's doing is just is uh witnessing
Witnesses yeah but she also could be just coming online because there's such a fascination with this
case yeah and that's I think I think she was stuck she started talking though early
before the case ever got to a point where it was had gotten crazy like this but but have I been bamboozled because
the information I have says that Cheyenne posted a picture that afternoon she did
yeah so the way is that one she was there I mean that's that's what I'm trying to get to here we're circling
around this a lot about whether she was there or not but that doesn't that posting of the picture add to
credibility of her physically being there that afternoon maybe maybe not I mean the picture
didn't look like it was even from the same day as a matter of fact it looked like what I was asking yeah it looked
like it had fog in it it also um the time stamp that originally she showed on the picture didn't line up
when she when she said she was there she possibly could have been there could have been early or whatever
um but even even if it wasn't let's say she's off by an hour let's say she's off
by seven hours I'm not really I don't really care about that when I'm when I'm trying to point out is that we know she
posted a picture that afternoon right claiming to be there what I'm getting at is for for someone to go oh well I just
want to be a part of this it gets a little difficult to you can't go back in time and post that
picture to add to your credibility later that you were in fact there because that
afternoon nobody knows what had happened it's not an event yet it's not it's nothing yet yeah
um we don't know until that evening that they're in fact missing we don't know until
but the killer noon the next day that they were killed that they were killed or the killer right right but we need to
say that here rather than dance around it you know we we need to be presenting a direct story with timeline and
narrative uh for this this series yeah she she offered up the photo as as proof that she was there because this isn't
the first time anybody's questioned her story and not making sense yeah but I think what Nick is trying to point out
is yeah she offered up a photo of proof but didn't she also post that photo the day of the murders on her social media
uh she posted she said she posted it um yeah I think maybe I think that was the one where the time frame was just or
the time stamp was all again if she's got she she did come before that but she her story is is always made sense where
she says she is at a certain time it's never made sense um again I go back to that why you know
you're coming forward but why are you telling why are you saying things that don't add up and and and
changing your story and all that I don't I don't understand that yeah the story is not making sense so many people
having multiple contradicting stories when you have three stories only one of them can be
true and why would you protect somebody that murdered a 13 and 14 year old girl absolutely makes no sense it makes you
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Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. We are joined in the Garage by Skip Jansen to discuss a new suspect and a theory that is catching fire! Previous Delphi Murders True Crime Garage coverage includes the following… Delphi Murders /// A New Suspect episodes 486 & 487 - Delphi Murders /// 4 Years Later episodes 468 & 469 - Delphi Murders Discussion episode 395 - Delphi Murders /// Off the Record episodes 321 & 322 - Delphi Murders Revisited episodes 320 & 321 - Delphi Murders episodes 110 & 111

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Delphi murders, new evidence, and the investigation of person of interest DP.

Key points

The Killer May Be Here. A chilling reminder that the murderer could be among us.
Community Support. A heartfelt acknowledgment of the community's support during the investigation.
New Evidence Released. Investigators share new audio and video evidence from the case.
The Phone Reset Mystery. Libby's factory reset phone raises questions about her intentions and the investigation's direction.
Targeted Victims?. The discussion shifts to whether Libby and her friend were targeted rather than random victims.
Conflicting Stories. Confusion arises over the accounts of witnesses and their credibility in the investigation.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Only a coward wouldn't do such a thing.

A poignant statement addressing the killer's actions.

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Tension

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