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room only a coward would do such a thing what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murder two little girls only a coward would do such a thing don't give up we will not
stop skip give us give me one more time sorry if you already did but I don't think we've have heard it yet the and I
know the story has changed a couple times but what is Cheyenne saying she she arrived parked where walked to where
and we know that at 3:49 according to her story she's posting a a picture online that she said she took that day
yeah she said she got there at 250 um originally said 350 but that again she said she got there at 250 said that she
ran into a girl she was with or knew around that that had gotten there about 2:30 and that girl's name is that girl's
name is believe to be Cheryl laugher okay and uh they went to the other side of the bridge was around the bridge
she's a the picture was supposedly taken around 3:00 the girl she knows goes with
her yes okay and the P the picture was taken around 3:00 well she's on the bridge at 3:00 how did she not hear the
girls FSG was just coming from the bridge when he saw dererk about 315 320 said he heard heard a couple arguing
under the bridge did she not hear that she's standing right on the bridge at 3:00 yeah and that makes absolutely no
sense because she'd have a clear sight to the crime scene and she would obviously be able to hear something she
claims not to hear or see anything I mean she's on the she's on the bridge in question I mean I don't I don't um I
don't understand sound travels usually pretty well in an area like that you know in a hollow with there's where
there's water and FSG we don't know if he says he saw Cheyenne or not he never says he said he's never said he
saw Cheyenne okay that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that he didn't tell law enforcement that he saw her but it
but as far as we know we have no no statement of him saying that he witnessed her or saw her and another
young woman on the bridge right yeah we only we only know about his statement from from Derek what are your top five
reasons to make DP the number one person of interest um he's uh changed his story
he uh looks like the second sketch he is uh he knew the girls he uh was at the crime scene the day of the
murders admittedly he's again he's he's he's he's changed stories multiple times
he he injected himself into the case um he changed his appearance you know that and I'm going by things that
that you know the uh law enforcement said that to look out for a bridge guy you know so those would be those would
be the things I think that you know the five or six things like you asked I agree him putting himself at the scene
is very difficult uh that's a that's a very that in itself is a hurdle I mean it it works that way with every case the
person who finds the body the last person to see a person those are always suspects uh and you lump those two in
with the same high probability that you would a boyfriend a husband or anybody on their Inner Circle so that that's of
Interest he's there we you know by his own words he is there and then we have someone else who says he was there as
well sounds like we're questioning her information but be that as it may it sounds like he he was there
second yes his story changing is is difficult why why put yourself there and then change your story unless
it was necessary to uh you you know keep keep some kind of false story going but I do want to
throw out that eyewitnesses are known to lie to law enforcement if they need to protect themselves and if he was at that
park or meeting somebody at that Park to to have a affair to me that's reason to
believe that that somebody would lie to law enforcement possibly but and I get what you're saying Captain you're you're
absolutely right about that but my my hunch here would be if if behind closed doors they thought that they're
questioning his story they're going to say look we're investigating a double homicide here we don't care if you were
down there smoking a doobie or uh meet hooking up with some girl on the side we don't we need to know what actually
happened flicky flicky and why you were there because if not then you're you're you're at the top of our list and that's
where I go and and I agree with you skip I I 100% where it does appear and I'm going off of the words that were used by
Doug Carter uh in the April 2019 press conference according to what he's saying they were absolutely shifting gears they
had shift gears sometime before that press conference and uh now they were happy to announce it to the world
specifically to the killer himself so you're right something had to have happened or they went down the wrong
path misguided misled at some point early in the investigation or at least prior to April uh
2019 where where I have um qu more questions is that the the things the the things that could lead you to
DP even early on they're all there for you it's not difficult if if what if what we're
saying or what we're speculating is in fact true true it's not difficult to see a connection here uh he he knows one of
the victims on Facebook says he knows the victims maybe personally or acquaintances or somehow lives lives
near there he's he's there and and he has a person that's supposedly with him that we don't know who that person is we
can't we nobody we don't have any information stating that there was an actual person with him I what I'm
getting at is and I and I get what everybody's saying about the small town Factor but this I mean deli city police
have been involved Carol County has been involved the sheriff's department they lesby claims that they're the lead on
the on the case if you had to pick one but ISP is there and the FBI are there very very quickly and the FBI and I
don't think even Indiana State Police are going to get bamboozled by somebody that's well to do and a in a little town
you know we've had early on in this investigation per Doug Carter his words are that over 150 officers have touched
this case in some form or fashion and that's throughout the state of Indiana uh the other thing I want to ask you
about Skip is the U this was new information to me uh you you said gbi was involved in the investigation
correct yeah in 2018 and clarify I'm not questioning that I just had not heard it
tell the listeners and me why gbi was involved again because that's that's the J the I'm assuming you're me talking
about the Georgia Bureau of Investigation yes that's correct um It's Not Unusual for law enforcement to bring
in another group as for a peer review if they are if so they just the case is not
developing like they thought and uh just a fresh set of eyes they brought them in
for that and it wasn't like I said they came in and did did uh looked at it looked at it from like it was a brand
new case looked at everything from the beginning you know left and uh not long after that then that's when the press
conference was when they changed gears uh so I think you know my point is is that if they came in with fresh set of
eyes and and they may they may have taken the bias out of the investigation that hey you guys have been looking for
the wrong guy because you're looking for rsos and serial killers and you're looking for the guy that what you think
uh he looks like in this video and and and in his sketch when the fact is he may not be you know and and
uh that's why that's why that's uh they I don't know how exactly how long they were there or were involved with it um I
just know it was in in 2018 maybe up until even early 2019 but that it's not unusual to bring
somebody in like that the one thing that did change though for the state of Indiana not just for this investigation
but others I believe it was in 2018 that the state started collecting uh those convicted of a
felony connect uh collecting their DNA yeah and so and that's one thing that I think is a little unclear as far
as the Nationwide concept of what's going on in Deli and the investigation itself is you know people keep saying
well if they've got DNA why didn't they pick up their guy they you know he would
be one he has to be in a certain database right like it's not just uh if if you have DNA but nothing to match it
to you're not going to find the person that you don't you don't punch it into your DNA machine and it spits out a name
that says oh you want to go look for the crispy Colonel he's somewhere in Columbus and here's his phone number
that's not the way it works they they get a DNA profile and if there's nothing to match it to there's nowhere to go and
yeah yeah one thing that that definitely changed from from the information I've collected and I you know I'm I'm
fallible like anybody else but uh this in 2018 is when they made that mandatory that if you're convicted of a felony in
the state of Indiana you submit your DNA so if Bridge guy whoever he may be has a
felony or uh sexual assault or anything that you know rape uh something uh in the state of Indiana prior to killing
the two girls on in 2017 he likely isn't in their dat any of their databases yeah and one thing law
enforcement said also is that you know it appears this guy hasn't committed any crimes so that that tells me that maybe
the evidence they have with the partial fingerprint of that DNA doesn't have enough markers maybe they don't have
enough to identify maybe they maybe they have enough to rule out but not identify right and you have because you
have multiple agencies working this case and yes they're working hand inand and they're working together and I and I do
think that they've done a lot of good work even though we sit here and and speculate as to who may have done this
and why it's not been solved all these years later you know you have one agency that says yeah we do have fingerprints
and we do have DNA in this case uh but then when another agency is interviewed they're a little more clear saying yeah
I've we do have that we just don't know if it's suspect DNA or suspect fingerprints we know that we have
fingerprints in DNA that does not belong to Abby or Libby that was found at or near the where we found the bodies uh we
just we can't say until somebody's arrested and charged we can't say if it belongs to the killer or not yeah and I
think again I think the time frame plays a lot into that about when when that question was answered because I think
they were a little more forthcoming early on but I think once they once they realized that this guy has this guy
follows the case is involved maybe in social media including forums and things that about the case listens to stuff
like this I think that's when when that's when they decided to shut it down because they didn't want they didn't
they I think they believe that he has been doing that all along and was possibly the reason for changing
stories is because he he was getting information that they were putting out and changing
to whatever you know fit him you know was whatever was to his benefit so they shut all they decided they just shut all
the information down and I don't blame and and going back to you know law enforcement I think they've done a great
job I think I know there's a lot of people out there who say oh law enforcement doesn't have anything and
and they've done a terrible job they screwed it up totally I don't think that at all uh do I think a mistake was I
think yeah I think I think mistake they've admitted to said mistakes have been made we we in a try to rush to to
solve this he also said that they didn't identify an individual as a suspect early
on to me that's a pretty telling statement yeah that's basically saying that we identified them as something else other
than a suspect exactly well and to to really kind of credit the work that they've been doing
you know we did say or skip you said they may have been told by gbi hey you've been you've been looking in the wrong
direction you've been looking for a serial killer or a Serial offender or uh sexual predator and uh but but to to be
clear and to to credit ISP and those involved they didn't seek out Daniel Nations Daniel Nations be he came onto
their radar because of you know violent illegal activities that he has uh been doing and then they're going oh by the
way he was he was here uh at that time and and should be somebody that should be uh definitely looked at and I I one
thing that I really get a little angry about uh in this case and some people's perception of the investigation itself
I've heard several people talk about to doesn't be like he's some kind of Don knots Sheriff out of Mayberry and that's
not the vibe I get it all I've uh i' I get their County newspaper he has a weekly column in there that discusses
different uh pieces and parts of law enforcement and the job that they do as sheriffs as the the Protectors of Carol
County uh he's very much dialed in I I wish people would would open up their minds a little bit and um Tobe lesen to
me comes off Skip and maybe you'll agree with me and I I know the captain does but he comes off to me as somebody that
wants to say more to the public about the case the evidence and the investigation but in being respectful
with the people and agencies that they have partnered with in this investigation I think he's politely
holding back yeah I would agree 100% I think I I always think about the the uh the statement he made about you know I
know that voice who is that you know um that was that to me that was uh it seemed like he wanted to say more there
you know I think whether it's whether it's saying things debate the guy or or whatever it is I agree with you I think
uh I I I just don't understand the people who say you know who who rip law enforcement for uh they got if listen
look if they got if they got LED astray by somebody and there's uh that's not the worst thing that's ever happened I
can promise you you know and they and that's why again I go back to Carter saying at the 2008 press conference that
were just beginning I think that they realized that all that stuff they had Learned was all based on false
information um and so going forward here's our new guy here's the car we believe he was in we believe he's
definitely local and that go and that and that's in in in direct contrast with what they what they said orally you know
I mean why would you be putting Billboards all over over the country if you thought the guy was
local they were just looking for the wrong guy now why was that I think I know but
other people have you know other people have opinions as well but they were they
were looking for the wrong guy and now they're now I believe they they're zeroed in on who they on who they should
be well and I think that there was a chance that they were you know with the um the the businesses and the the
traffic through that area would lead them to because when when you've worked let's say you've worked in Carroll
County Law Enforcement your whole Adult Career a child abduction murder is one half of 1% of the homicides each year in
this country the very rare so most most law enforcement uh officers and even an agency as a whole you could have a 20 30
your career and never experience it never be involved in an investigation like that and if you know if I woke up
tomorrow and there never was another child abduction homicide ever again praise God but um it's it's a rare crime
and I think that your the gut reaction of most people regardless of Deli Carol County Indiana or Columbus Ohio the
Florida Panhandle or Texas or California regardless of where you're talking about
other like New York City or Los Angeles or Chicago most people the gut reaction is it it had to be somebody that came in
and did this to us did this to one of us and left and you're exactly right I mean
it was the next day as soon as they knew as soon as they found the girls at noon and the the the release from police
has always been we knew we knew very quickly their words were very quickly I have to believe you could
replace that with immediately that this was a homicide and what backs that up is
that within that hour three three uh roadblock checkpoints are set up at least three
that I found where they're interviewing drivers and passengers and stopping vehicles and one of the statements they
had was that that day they uh spoke to at least 600 people in cars yeah and you're right and and they were
looking for someone that would want to leave the area that may not may have just came into the area days before now
uh one thing that we've not touched on on True Crime garage yet and we've covered this case a bunch and Skip again
thank you for your time today talking with us about this case again is in regards to that Nationwide man hunt
which until the guy's caught it's always going to be a nationwide manhunt but in
regards to those billboards one thing that I found incredibly interesting was that on on the
Billboards that were first put up of the picture of of bridge guy and one thing we I I like to underline too when we
talk about the the picture of bridge guy that is the best photo that is the best
video that they have of bridgeguy so to think otherwise is is silliness but they
were posting the picture of bridg guy on these Billboards and early on it said you know
do you know this man last scene February 13 2017 2:30 p.m. which I find to be incredibly
interesting because we know the Snapchat photo was posted there were two Captain
asked if there you know if they were taking more photos or whatnot police would know that they found Libby's phone
analyed family would know that but that that has never been released so we people just speculate about that and and
so we know that she posted two photos and the stamp that we get on those is 2:07
p.m. and they would know based off of the video from finding her phone and analyzing the phone when the video was
taken and we've already said based off of uh technology what what it tells us in regards to the sun and the the bridge
and the shadows and whatnot it's believed that the Abduction of the girls took place between 220 and 240 p.m.
that afternoon very interestingly enough those Billboards say 2:30 p.m. I almost
have to wonder is is the timestamp on that video or on her phone of that video 2:30 PM when he's last seen on the video
because the other statement we have is from I believe it's from Anna who is uh aby's uh mother that says you know Becky
Mike and Anna watched they were allowed to watch and hear the video and Anna says that she could hear audio after
there was she could no longer see anything so at some point that video goes It goes
dark it's it's just recording Blackness maybe it's you know maybe Libby's holding it right up against her leg
maybe she put it in a pocket um as Bridge guy got closer but there was audio that could be heard and that
that's where we get the down the hill from as well so I wonder if that video is and they they put 2:30 p.m. because
they that's the time stamp of that video that's a that's a good point um it would
make sense you know because when the the uh picture was uh put up at 207 they weren't all the way across the bridge I
think they were about maybe 2third or about halfway so it would have taken him a little and you don't see you don't see
him in the background coming yet so it would have made sense that they would have kept walking and going back toward
the end of the bridge because they were at the end of the bridge when they were filming him uh so that would make sense
TimeWise also um makes that's one of the reasons I said 2:30 to 3:30 underneath that bridge because from what I gather
from this guy who I locally I know who said that they that law enforcement knows that BG was around 20 minutes
after Derek had gotten there so if they know that then they know he was around till about 3:35 approximately um say say
that again skip say that again that law enforcement knows he told there were several things he told me that that
everybody wasn't privy to one of the things was that they know law enforcement knows BG was there until 20
minutes after Derek had had gotten there so he got there about 3:15 that puts BG
there till 3:35 now he didn't explain how they know that I'm guess I'm guessing it probably had something to do
with them seeing him leave at a you know because if you remember early on there was a the law enforcement asked if
anybody saw anybody walking along the hoer Heartland Highway uh that afternoon with a duffel
bag well yes if you parked at the CPS building and if you even if you left the bridge and went through the woods and
and exited there you the the the CPS building sits right in between Highway 300 and the hoer Heartland Highway okay
and you and you have it's a wide open view so if he was walk walking from where the where the trees start to there
and somebody saw him that very likely could have been who they saw walking from there to the CPS building you know
so because they would have seen him they would have thought he was walking along
the hoer Heartland highway but he's actually walking more coming from the woods but that's that's somebody who
where somebody saw him walking so I think that's a possibility that that's how they know uh that time they just put
it together from how long it would take him to get from the crime scene to to that
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people that were there better than than I do so while we have you on the phone here I want to make sure that I ask you
this um there was a statement and this plays along what exactly what we're talking with right now there was a
statement that I found early on that said woman I couldn't find much more about this I couldn't find you know the name
of this woman but a woman who said that she saw a man leaving the cemetery that afternoon and I i' I've
been looking through my notes here this morning trying to find if I if I wrote down a more exact time other than that
afternoon and I I can't find uh a time that I put with that so one thing that you know one thing that I found to be
very interesting in this case but I do this in every case and but especially in this one you know we we're analyzing
What doug Carter was saying at the 2019 press conference under a microscope but you do that because
that's not Doug Carter just getting up there and riffing you know that's not just him talking off the cuff that is a
a statement that was pieced together very carefully by multiple people in a room together agreeing on what we're
going to be saying now we do have Carter who does later say there are a couple things that he threw in there himself
but the Gen but the basis of it is h a statement that was put together by the investigating collectively by the
investigative agencies now I have to believe knowing what we know about John Douglas and the FBI and uh things that
they've done during his career and Roy ha Wood's career and Robert wrestler's career that those words were
probably pieced together very much with the help of the FBI or with their at least with their advice so when looking
at words and and how we choose to put out certain words and certain statements regarding this case the
investigation and such the evidence to hear a woman said she saw a man leaving the
cemetery that afternoon very interesting and it goes back to what you were talking about with
the car at the uh CPS building notice the witness doesn't say she saw a vehicle or a man driving a
vehicle leaving the cemetery which we know there were parking spaces there she says she saw a man that to me implies a
single individual male individual on foot leaving the cemetery that afternoon and just just like you were
saying skip about the um they were asking for a driver you know that I believe I'm gonna
try to get as yeah I'm gonna try to get it as close to verbatim as I can based off of memory but they're asking they
said if you parked a car there that day or you know someone parked there that day we want to
hear from you but they start off the state with saying uh we are looking for the driver of or if you know the driver
who parked at the which again we're really we're really kind of analyzing this and and being very
suspicious about everything but it almost sounds like we have we have there's at least
some thought here that we think you may have been driving somebody else's vehicle yeah the exact exct statement
was we're seeking The public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS building
welfare building in the city of Deli that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 so yeah they're OB he
they're asking yeah I agree they're you know asking about the driver so seems Seems to uh make sense that they would
know what who the car or the what the car is and who the car belongs to you know and kind of cross referencing
information here with them saying we believe this person is either was either local at the time or has local ties to
Deli you almost have to wonder did somebody did somebody see a plate and it was an Indiana plate maybe they don't
have the plate number but they recall uh yeah it was an Indiana license plate yeah I mean it's definitely possible I
and I think it I think I find it interesting that that's the first thing they they uh that they lead the press
conference off that way you know as the as the attention getter you know it's well and it's also weird like
first impressions are everything right your your first impression and your last impression and it's it starts off with
with that's the information we're seeking oh by the way we're going to be giving you some more information which
is I I don't I'm not going to pretend to be you know somebody that understands how you should deliver things in the
best way to get what you want from the people you are addressing but it almost felt like when you're releasing a new
sketch and then you're releasing a a little piece of a video and telling the public that you're changing directions
in your investigation felt like you know the captain and I watched that press conference together when it when it went
down that day and it almost felt to me like if I would have walked out onto the streets like Family Feud and interviewed
a 100 people I feel like 99% of them would have forgotten about the whole vehicle parked Thing by the end of that
press conference yeah but not that suspect right you that's the thing I mean who who was he who was he
addressing that part too and that's why I think maybe he was it was he was letting the guy hey this this is the
part that had us confused but we figured it out well and if this suspect that you're talking about DP is Bridge guy
then he's Brash and if the rumors are true about the staging of the crime scene and some of the horrific stuff
that I've heard rumored to be you know they say he has a shred of decency left to come
forward maybe he does n but maybe somebody Shelby Cheryl or the Cheyenne even though her stories haven't lined up
and maybe they could come forward and have some piece of information and again law enforcement
has said over and over just one piece of information is all we need and then we get this guy and if you have any doubt
that th that you're covering for this person if you have any thought in your head that this individual DP is
responsible for these murders you have you owe it to yourself you owe it to the community you owe it to those two girls
you ow owe it to Abby and Libby to come forward and and talk to police and tell them the true story why wouldn't he come
forward it's I mean it's again it's hard to say why somebody they don't come forward or whatever like I said there's
there's a lot of reasons um it could be I would I would suspect to at least give
them the benefit of the doubt that was probably innocent originally they didn't realize what they were giving a an alibi
for now I would say it's time it's time for them to uh to come clean and uh and tell what
they tell what they know you know and what about dp's girlfriend it's like again you probably have some information
that you could share with law enforcement and why aren't you doing that one he's saying that he was there
cheating on you so what kind of scum bag is that and and is that all you think you deserve in this world is a guy that
cheats on you or a guy that lies to you is that all you think you deserve maybe you should think that you deserve better
and come forward and talk to the cops and tell them what you know cuz maybe you're the missing link and you owe that
to yourself to your child you owe that to Abby you owe that to Libby I I did want I did want to go back to clarify
one thing though about about BG following the case and I think that's because I think that's a crucial part
because I think the post crime activity in this case is is is kind of has a lot to do where reason it led me to this was
one of the things Carter says not too long in in a television interview not too long after the press conference he
said I think the Killer is following this investigation very closely he said when we and then they asked him about
releasing the second sketch he said when we decided that through the information
we received that we were going to release the second sketch I don't believe the individual knew knew we were
going to do that so it was really really important I think he was probably there
or watching simply because he thought we were on the wrong path I mean car I mean he's basically telling you what you
need to know there I mean he's basically saying the killer thought they why would
the killer think they're on the wrong path yeah because they may maybe because he let him maybe because he let him down
the wrong path because because he pointed him in that direction I mean you mentioned you mentioned earlier Nick
that some things seem simple there are things about this case that that that are very simple but there's ALS it's
also very complex in the in the in the uh think in the post crime uh stuff that's going on with all the
misinformation and and misdirection uh and false stuff that's been put out there and I think most of
the stuff you seeing out there has been kind of orchestrated I don't think it's just been by chance of people random
people following the case I think there's uh look the guy did a good job for two years years of keeping keeping
him off his Trail off off his tail off his Trail they they've it's uh now that they're on it maybe maybe he's trying to
do it through social media yeah you what you're saying is I'll expand on that a little bit to to kind of fill in some of
the blanks there but what you're saying overall is that we would be foolish to believe that at some point BG is not is
not only listening reading watching what he can find on TV and on the internet or
these garage podcasts whoever would be dumb enough to do one of those but um they he's not only doing that but he
could actively be throwing in weird statements uh posting things like one of the victims was pregnant you know there
was this found at the crime scene or one of the Searchers said they saw this that
day uh he could throw any of these things if if he if what you are saying is correct Skip and you know people some
people are going to listen to this and they're going to they're not going to like you they're not going to like me or
the captain for having this conversation but the one reason why I wanted to have
this conversation with you and I had spoke with you until till right now until today was the theory was
interesting on its face and it remains interesting after I speak with you not just because of the points that you've
brought up and the the interesting angles and things that you presented here but also you are not one of these
you're not one of these crazies that go this is what happened I know it all this
is how it went down and not willing to believe anything else and that's why I like talking with you today and and I
appreciate you for being that way because so many people with this case and other cases have decided for
whatever reason they know exactly what happened and you can't tell them otherwise and anybody that says
otherwise is a complete idiot and I like to remind those people that if if you were right then then why
is it not solved we won't know until it's solved and there's no harm in having these conversations and doing
these types of exercises when something is not solved there's no nothing wrong with looking at things through from a
different angle under a different light from time to time and just asking the question why and you've done a great job
of of coming up with this Theory and and and piecing it together um well it's a pretty simple idea if you claim that
you're there and then your story has changed multiple times then what is the reason for lying and by definition this
eyewitness should then turn into a suspect this eyewitness should turn into a person of interest and when you look
at this case for the last four years every person of interest that has brought been brought to the table no
matter what crime they did or didn't do what you could never prove with any of those Persons of Interest is that they
were there the day uh that they were there that day at that bridge at that time frame uh and were capable of of those
murders yeah there there's a lot of stuff that we hadn't had a chance to go over just because of time but but um but
like we talked about before like having you be available to people on the blog absolutely I'd be I'd be happy to
answer any questions feel people feel people in on any uh gaps they have kind and just and there's like I said there's
more Nuance obviously in a case like this than than um and we were able to talk about today you know I agree with
with the captain about you know the basic things there about you know why you lie to law enforcement why do you
you know law enforcement tells us that this guy's following the case and they tell us that that they was a changing
changing the reason for the change and all that so there's a lot there's a lot out there and like I said it is simple
but it's complex you know we didn't talk about things like motive and all that kind of stuff but you know it's uh
hopefully the hopefully the right person will hear uh and hopefully the right person will will change their mind on
what they think's the the right thing to do well and you know with other cases U
Todd Kap for instance he went into super bike gunned down a bunch of people killed them later he took a hostage
killed the uh host's boyfriend or husband and he was he was a felon before that he was a convicted felon before
that well everything I just mentioned to you are crimes that involved handguns and firearms and and he should not have
had those and we said on our show when we covered his case you know it would be why is law enforcement not pursuing the
person that gave him or sold him these guns in some Backwoods deal because he's not allowed to to own
them that person has some accountability in coab's crimes and it was probably of
course it wasn't at our doing we didn't have anything to do with it we're two two guys in a garage but it was months
later eight months later they arrested the person that sold them the guns here in this situation you have the same
thing if there is somebody that is providing this false Alibi or false narrative for having seen things or or
not seen things on that day in February in 2017 you need to come clean with that
now because there will be an aftermath this bridge guy will be identified caught and convicted and when that
happens you're the next one you're you're butts on the fire next so you're fine now yeah I know you probably are
sitting here listening to this going what do you mean I'm fine it's been four years Nick no you're fine now because
they don't know who BG is as soon as they know who he is that's when your that's when your feet will be held to
the Flames so go tell them what you know now or if you if you made something up or if you just wanted to be a part of it
because it's something and you want to be something there's yes it's it's embarrassing yes
there is some shame that comes along with that but at the end of the day you can know that you did the right thing
and you can know that you you do you no longer can be held accountable because you've you've you've said what
the truth is now skip I don't want to get into any details but again my own curiosity and kind of piecing together
where I think what your overall story would be I've always believed and I and I still
do and and will until we until we have all the answers that this was a sexually motivated abduction and I want to leave
it at that I want to be very clear about my thoughts that I've always believed that this was a sexually motivated
abduction it sounds to me like you without again without getting into details and going too far down any roads
here other avenues it sounds to me like you feel this was a little more targeted at least
one of the victim was was a Target and this possibly was a personal cause homicide yes and and the other victim
may just be collateral damage unfortunately yeah sad it really is well sad both both but of course yes yeah I
think I think you know a lot of people obviously a lot of people are following this case and there's a lot of web
slutes and I think a lot of a lot of those people have gotten things right I think there's a drug component here I
think there's a Revenge component but I don't think they're exact they they're exactly the aspects of what people think
they are unfortunately this may fall back come back fall back on a family member in terms of not that they were
involved in the crime at all the source of this personal Vendetta may have originated there and I think that's
unfortunate and I hope that doesn't go in have anything to do whether this crime is solved or not but yeah I think
I think it's more I do think it's uh there is a drug component like I said and a and a Revenge aspect but it but
it's more personal than [Music] that join our discussion if you have questions for skip he will be available
he'll be answering questions on our blog all week so make sure if you have any questions about the information he's put
in out you can ask him there at true Crim garage.com Colonel do we have any recommended reading for this week this
week Captain we are recommending alligator Candy by David Kushner this is from award-winning journalist and
regular contributor to Rolling Stone magazine David Kushner gives us alligator candy a memoir about family
survival and the unwavering Power of Love in 1973 David's older brother was murdered in decades later David found
himself unsatisfied with his memories of this tragic life defining moment so he decided to revisit the episode Through
The Eyes of a reporter this is one of the best books that I have read in a while is available in all forms but the
audio version with a brilliant performance by bronz and pincho is particularly good check out aligator
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Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. We are joined in the Garage by Skip Jansen to discuss a new suspect and a theory that is catching fire! Previous Delphi Murders True Crime Garage coverage includes the following… Delphi Murders /// A New Suspect episodes 486 & 487 - Delphi Murders /// 4 Years Later episodes 468 & 469 - Delphi Murders Discussion episode 395 - Delphi Murders /// Off the Record episodes 321 & 322 - Delphi Murders Revisited episodes 320 & 321 - Delphi Murders episodes 110 & 111

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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the Delphi murders, focusing on witness statements and the investigation's challenges.

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Cheyenne's Conflicting Story. Cheyenne's timeline raises questions about her whereabouts during the critical moments of the crime.
Investigation Insights. Discussion on the complexities of the investigation and the challenges faced by law enforcement.
The Timestamp Mystery. Discussion around the timestamp of the video and its implications for the case.

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