Delphi Murders Unsealed /// Part 2 /// 684 | Forensic Files

ah the sounds of the holiday because when you open a college savings Iowa account you're giving a
child the gift of Education to help pay for college and trade schools you get a tax break and peace of mind for whatever
is ahead register before December 31st and you could be one of two lucky winners to get
$529 College savings Iowa sounds like success visit colleg savings iowa.com today administered by the state
treasurer of Iowa when it comes to Quality sleep Ashley has you covered with top mattress brands
at winning prices and with special financing options available you can snooze now and pay later plus your
mattress purchase helps give the gift of better sleep to children in need and US
Special Operations forces visit your local Ashley store or shop online today and make every snooze count financing is
subject to credit approval see store or ashley.com for [Music] [Music] details [Music]
maybe this is a little childish of me Captain but one of my one of the parts that I thought was the most interesting
out of all of the information that was released in these 283 Pages throughout these different documents was the way
that everything went down right I've always fascinated by police procedure and the actual
investigation more so than any of the Gory details of the of the crime itself right and I love the way that that they
carry things out I love having an understanding of how they have to react at a moment's notice so think
about this this case is it's just kind of for five and a half years Peaks and valleys highs and lows a roller coaster
ride for everybody not just the investigators but especially the investigators and then you had you have
all these these times in the case where there doesn't seem to be anything really
going on and that's almost six years long 5 and a half years long right and then in
October of 2022 Richard Allen is taken into custody and the way that this comes about is
because of an interview with him and his wife on October 13th well what's really
interesting to me is when you look at some of these documents we know that they spoke with
him on the 13th well what also happened on the 13th they filed the affidavit for a search warrant
they requesting a search warrant permission from a judge to search his property right so the way that this all
goes down is they I you can you can picture this but I'm going to draw the picture for you they bring him and his
wife in for questioning now I want to be completely clear about this because one
thing that is not clear in this case is everybody goes well he talked to the police and detectives when this all went
down way back when and they were never interested in him well we need to figure out exactly the details of that of what
his conversations were with law enforcement in 2017 because as it's stated he spoke
with a a conservation officer right basically a park ranger I'm guessing yeah like here we have uh we refer to
them you'll see the the vehicles they'll see natural resource officer there's there's several different titles and
different ranks that you can hold in that uh in that agency it is a form of law enforcement absolutely no doubt
about that and I'm assuming their conservation officer is similar to what we're talking
about here Natural Resources officer park ranger I think it for me it falls more into that category than actual
homicide detective and so we don't know did this conversation take place at a supermarket
somewhere did he go to a park rangers office and tell them hey I was out there on the trails that day and they made
note of it and it slipped through the cracks yeah did it happen at his work what nobody is saying is that he came in
he marched into the Sheriff's Office and sat down with detectives that's not what
anybody's saying so I would love to hear more details about Richard Allen's conversation with law enforcement back
in 2017 but what we do know that that led to is at some point they're reviewing the case all the information that
they've collected about the case they come across this statement from an officer from this this uh and I have his
name here uh I can't find it at the moment but bear with me Captain they find the statement and they
go oh we need to talk talk to this guy so this is much more official October 13th 2022 they ask Richard Allen to come
in they ask his wife to come in it's not described this way but I'm assuming that
they spoke to them separately they may have spoke to them together and separately we don't know
how that went down but what we do know is that his wife confirms for law enforcement that yes my husband does
have guns and knives in our home and Richard Allen can firms for them in October of 2022 yes I was on the trails
that day and so what we then have is a rush job you because you got to have a rush job and I'll tell you why here in a
minute you go off to the judge and you go look here's we we just typed all this up we need you to Grant a a search
warrant for this home and property and we need we want to issue this search warrant
immediately so the way that this goes down and you can picture it right they're talking to these two individuals
at the department at some point during those conversations they go you know what somebody who uh who can we get we
need someone to start typing up that affidavit immediately we need to get papers in
front of a judge for them to sign off on a search warrant and we need to do this
today so from my understanding it was roughly around 5:00 pm that day they get the search warrant they drive
them right out to the home right out to the property and now they are carrying out that search warrant and the search
warrant specifically says that Richard Allen and his wife have to leave the property they
have to leave the residents during the course of this search right what happens is at some point they decide this guy
has taken priority over everyone else and now they've decided he we might have shown our hand
we might have tipped our cap and and shown our hand here and now he knows he's not a witness we're not
interviewing him as a witness anymore he's a suspect we cannot let this guy go home and have access to all the stuff
that we're We believe We may find at his property because now he may destroy the
evidence discard the evidence hide the evidence we need to get there as soon as we can ASAP ASA M so they they I bet you
they drag out the the conversation with him and the wife for a period of time while they could type up this document
go and get permission from the judge this is when you go judge I I can't don't have time for an appointment
here's why I need you to sign this right now if you agree with the information that we've put in this document so that
we can be there on his doorstep when they get home before he has time to destroy any evidence right and we can we
can carry out the search warrant and you can picture this right yeah can you please stop asking me if I can picture
something this is not that hard to picture it's not an abstract painting there genius Richard Allen and his wife
probably standing on the front lawn not allowed to go into their home watching these men and women of law enforcement
removing boxes and bags of evidence or potential evidence from their home can you picture it and then after the tests
are run on this six-hour gun that is when he is arrested so he he must have been sweating bullets and [ __ ]
himself for for the period of time between the 13th and the 28th when they arrested him yeah so again like you were
saying they're interviewed on the 13th they do the search on the 13th the ballistic um results come back on the
19th and then there's a a time period And I don't know what the time period you'd think once
um once that test comes back the ballistic test comes back they would make AR rest right away but for some
reason there was a delay and and Richard Allen was arrested on the 26 yeah and then what we do have here is
documenting this is stating how some of this went down and why it went down the way that it did as
the captain points out arrested on the 26th charges were brought on the 28th and this were for two counts of of
murder and he's taken into custody moved to the Westville Correctional Facility this is for safekeeping as stated in the
documents and this they say is because when he was taken into custody he was placed on suicide watch because of
certain statements that Richard Allen made about harming himself now they go on to to talk about some of his dayto
day at this facility in this document stating that throughout his stay his mental health
improved to a point that he was taken off of suicide watch he was also participating in
Recreation time and beginning to exercise the facility reports that Richard Allen was doing well and that
they had no issues or concerns his day-to-day demeanor was that he was quiet read a lot of books did crossword
puzzles and exercised daily on April 3rd 2023 Richard Allen made a phone call to
his wife in that phone call Richard admits several times that he killed Abby and Libby investigators had the phone
call transcribed and the transcription confirms that Richard Allen admits that he committed the murders of Abby and
Libby he admits several times within the phone call that he committed the offenses as charged right his wife ends
the phone call abruptly at some point so it sounds to me like he he he's saying it in a almost cryptic unclear way to
his wife I committed the offenses I'm charged with and at some point may have been
much more clear about what it is that he did in that phone call and then she hangs up on him yeah and from my
knowledge I don't think she's been back to see him since um I had some local people that told me
that she was at the hearings um and before this confession supposedly they were making some eye
contact and try to communicate at the at those hearings but ever since his confession it's almost like she's not
being responsive to him at at the the trial now at the hearings now after this confession and we also know that she has
sold the property so I you know I don't know it's that's one of those items where it's
like you could read a lot into it um where you go well she she knows he's going to be found guilty so she
knows he's not going to come home maybe she can't afford that place by herself but well we we can we actually
have information in these documents that might make that whole situation a little
more clearer MH uh when we get to when we get to those we're trying to go through these in in the order that they
were released primarily for the reason that it was very it would be very difficult for us to create a new order
of of these documents with them amounting to 283 Pages MH but in this document the they're talking about then
after this phone call where his his mental health and his demeanor was getting better leading up to this point
and and they say since he arrived at this facility then they say after the phone
call that Richard Allen's mental state has declined since then and this goes along with what the defense is
stating that he should be moved to another facility but I believe that this is the the facility
in the state's reasoning that it's not the facility that's at fault for his decline it's the
individual who might be responsible for his decline now keep in mind his defense
team has said in the court of law that they will challenge the the accuracy and The
credibility of his statements that maybe he's just lost it and he's admitting to
something that he did not do right that's that's what what they are saying now what they do agree with is with what
the state says that here's the statements both sides reviewed them in the defense agreed yes those are
incriminating statements well and that's the thing though is you know it's years
of an investigation then you get you finally make an arrest the guy starts saying right away I'm innocent I'm
innocent but as the defense has handed more and more evidence against you and obviously he's privy to that
information it's not crazy to think that he's going to snap and eventually tell his wife you know the truth because he
wants to protect her he wants to have her hear it from him first and then you know we talk about whether his wife is
visiting him or not calling him but keep in mind he we don't know the setup he may have to
be the one to initiate a call he may not be able to receive them we do know that
he can have phone calls and conduct phone calls on this tablet that he's been given he can in fact text message
with this tablet and he can do phone calls but we do know that he broke the tablet at some point and as
of they're saying that that that leading up to April 3rd Richard Allen was making about two
phone calls a day and then afterward some point he breaks the tablet he's not making any phone calls
at all you know you look at this information and you go okay well maybe it's not just as as simple as she's cut
off communication to him he may have broke his communication device and on top of that has decided not to have any
more phone calls and then they go on to say that he at some point began wetting down documents that that were from his
defense team and eating them consuming them he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] and it's and he also has refused to sleep good don't
he was refusing to eat and refusing to sleep he would go days on end refusing to sleep he further broke the tablet
that he used for text messages and phone calls and then it states that he went from two phone calls a day to zero to
none at all yeah when a prisoner goes without eating it it becomes a h hunger strike and so sometimes depending on how
long that hunger strike is they'll go back and forth on suicide watch well if he had Demands a hunger strike is only a
hunger strike if you're you know refusing to eat's only a hunger strike if you have demands no but what I'm
saying is if they offer him food and he just says he doesn't want to eat it that
they can put him on they can put him in a more restrictive confined space correct cuz
that's proof that he may be he may be up for harming himself right we all know we need to eat to
survive so the the direct the exact statement here is Richard Allen was wetting down paperwork he had gotten
from his attorneys and eating it he was refusing to eat and refusing to sleep now at some point that changes and he
starts eating and sleeping again here's the thing this all sounds very crazy right I don't I'm not I don't think it
sounds crazy I'm not a health care professional I do not know I'm not an expert don't know anything about this
type of behavior at all and in fact we're only reading it as words on on paper we've not witnessed any of this
we've not talk to this man but I have my suspicions sounds like he's put on a big show as the
investigators told us during the course of this investigation that for the perpetrator
this was always about power and this was always about control and whoever did this had the
power over this entire community of this secret something that they only knew the
answer to that nobody else knew so that's one form of the power that this individual would have held
over others also the power that they may have experienced on that day while committing the
crimes or in in other ways since then the control part to me is yeah of course they controlled the victims and
and things of that nature and sometimes we've even seen cases where the perpetrator wants to try to control the
the investigation or The Narrative of the crimes but for me I've always thought about this and to me I think this is is
somewhat confirmation of this is that Richard Allen may be of the type that that he needed control because
he had no control now not necessarily we're not talking about a puppet master situation we're talking about everybody
it's a natural desire for all of us to feel that we are in control of our own lives and that we do have some control
of the things around us and the events going on in our lives not me because uh Carrie Underwood taught me a great
lesson Jesus take the wheel well I wish that I wish that that would have been the same experience for whoever whoever
committed these crimes and in this case Richard Allen because what I think I is part of
this behavior that we're we're being told of here is that he wants to have or feel or at least feel like he has some
control or control of his own life maybe he's never felt 100% that way maybe that's a huge inadequacy for him and
now he's lost even more control if there was communication back and forth between
him and his wife and she ended that well his world just got more disrupted and what he can control the
he's in a confined space with with very few Privileges and almost no control over
his life at this point but one of the very few things that he can control is the stuff that sits in the
cell with him and this may just be a way of him trying to destroy that or trying to find
some type of control in that confined space ah the sounds of the holiday because when you open a college
savings Iowa account you're giving a child the gift of Education to help pay for college and trade schools you get a
tax break and peace of mind for whatever's ahead register before December 31st and you could be one of
two lucky winners to get $529 College savings Iowa sounds like success visit College savings iowa.com
today administered by the state treasur of Iowa this show is sponsored by better
help do you look forward to the holidays maybe you struggle with seasonal Blues this time of year can be a lot and it's
natural to feel some sadness or even anxiety about it but adding something new and positive to your life can
counteract some of those feelings therapy can be a bright spot something to look forward to to make you feel
grounded and to give you the tools to manage everything going on if you're thinking of starting therapy give better
help a try it's entirely online designed to be convenient flexible and suited to
your schedule just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a licensed therapist and switch therapist
at any time for no additional charge find your bright spot this season with betterhelp visit betterhelp.com
Garay to get 10% off your first month that's betterhelp hp.com garage dreaming of overseas Adventures or
connecting more deeply with family from afar Rosetta Stone Bridges the language Gap I've tried others but Rosetta
Stone's immersive lessons and voice feedback technology are game changers dive into 25 Languages by learning
intuitively just like when you were a kid and here's the holiday Sparkle grab a lifetime membership now and save 50%
gift yourself the world head to rosettastone.com now and save 50% hey parents Greenlight is here to take
one big thing off your to-do list teaching your kids about money with a greenl light debit card and money app of
their own kids and teens Learn to Earn save and invest you can send money instantly set flexible controls and get
real-time notifications of your kids money Activity Set up chores and put allowance on autopilot to reward them
for their hard work then learn about the world of money together get one month free when you sign up at greenlight.com
podcast all right you filthy animals cheers to you thanks for joining us here in the garage thank you one and
all so here we go Captain th this is where we like to give a little thanks and praise to the listeners right with a
quick shout out a quick cheers maybe we cheers one another but I I think we cheers is due to a a person that we've
become friendly with over the past year or so and someone that I know that uh you've had the privilege of meeting in
person at least on one occasion but in part these documents become unsealed and released to the public
through request to the judge that we have some more transparency in this case for the media that is trying to cover it
and one of those persons that is responsible for getting this information out into the masses is Kevin from the
murder sheet and he he filed limited appearance by an attorney he's an attorney and this was his request for
these documents to be unsealed and I mean the murder sheet has done great work on this case throughout the years
and theyve used his his power as an attorney to get some documents released over the course of
the year so just a just a I mean he's he's a great guy first of all I was lucky enough to talk to him just days
before these documents came out such a such a cool and humble guy that he didn't tell me that he he was making a
push for these documents to be released he just said there might be some documents coming out so uh big shout out
to him and uh Ana and and their both of them for for all of their work on I look
forward next time we get to sit down and eat some Nachos and Tacos but Kevin uh maybe is the world's fastest Eater of
all time so maybe you should do one of those uh contests the hot dog contest I just tell people you know if you're
going to eat dinner with them just don't leave your hands up on the table CU they
he might uh Luke Skywalker you so this is one thing that we kind of teased earlier and this is a letter the
handwritten letter from Richard Allen to the the Carroll County Circuit Court and
this was filed in November early November of 2022 I don't know when this letter was scripted or or sent but uh I
I'll read it to you because it's nice and short but it it also reveals some other things that we've discussed
previously and it states and again this is from Richard Allen says in the cause listed
above I Richard Allen hereby throw myself at the mercy of the court I am begging to be provided with legal
assistance in a public defender or whatever help is available at my initial hearing on October 28th
2022 I asked to find representation for myself however at the time I had no clue
how expensive it would be just to talk to someone I also did not realize what my wife and I's immediate financial
situation was going to be we have both been forced to immediately abandon employment myself due to incarceration
and my wife for her personal safety she has had to abandon our house for her own
safety what little Reserve there is will fail to even maintain the original residence that words cut off but
assuming that's what he's yeah and just to cut you off there this is what I was saying on the last episode is there's a
lot of speculation because she sold the property on what that means and what's going to happen in this trial and I
would go back to this exactly letter and say look well one her safety she need to
get out of there and two if they can't afford it put it up on the market get it sold that's done now they don't have to
worry about that that doesn't mean he's going to plead guilty and and and and that she's preparing for him to plead
guilty right the sale of the house for all we know could have been in the cards two three four months ago it appears
nobody was living there for their own safety Richard Allen of course isn't living there because he's in in a cell
and without any money coming in from employment they may have been forced to do this right it may not have been of
their using so I think one thing that's important to we say this with all the cases not just the deli case before you
start your speculation and then passing it off especially when this case a lot of times the speculation or rumor gets
passed off it f as fact at some point review all of the information before you come up with an opinion on it now uh
this here captain and I hope you will allow me to to read this in its entirety no I will skip over some of the names
because again I don't think that they're all necessary for what's going on here but this is
our this is our inmate that's that's going to be very vocal about what his opinion is or could be just lies could
be the truth of the situation at this Westville Corrections Facility and this is addressed to the
clerk of courts and this was a letter that was sent April it appears to be 11th of
2023 and the letter States I am an inmate at the Westville Correction Facility in the same unit that Richard
Allen is being housed in awaiting trial Richard Allen is being abused and mistreated along with other inmates in
Westville control unit restrictive housing there are corrupt officers and ranking officers calling Richard Allen a
kid killer teasing him that he has a visit from his his family phone is ringing on his tablet inmates in the
cell threatening to kill Richard Allen and telling him to kill himself these inmates have made these comments in
front of the warden in front of ranking officers and officers the staff has recorded on camera these inmates making
these threats and suggestions to kill himself and has done nothing to stop it so let me kind of unpack a little bit of
this yeah but what are you going to go through and put a muzzle on everybody well exactly you can't you you can tell
the guys to shut up hey hey stop talking to him stop threatening him whatever but I mean
really again I don't this does not I'm not saying I'm not applauding this type of behavior if it is happening for all
we know this this person that wrote this letter could be making all of this up or
all of it could be happening but I'm not applauding this type of behavior I'm just pointing out that this does not
seem to be anything out of the norm given the charges that this man is facing and so what it sounds like here
captain that this individual is stating is that the he believes or stating that the guards would tease him tease Richard
Allen like hey guess what you got a visit from your family and then they just leave him
sitting there and sitting there there is no visit right it it's fake um or or phoning his tablet maybe him thinking
that he's getting a call from a loved one or someone that that is on his side and then maybe they're hanging up uh and
it's it's no no call at all it's just them ringing his tablet I page two says I have proof and
evidence of assaults by ranking officers and officers on inmates abuse and mistreatment in
grievance and the I'm I apologize some of the handwriting I cannot read here uh but going on to say that things have
been mishandled and covered up because the Indiana Department of Corrections is allowed to police itself with their
office of Investigations and intelligence I recently sent letters to the US Department of Justice and they go
on to state that they have sent information to the doj and the FBI about this corruption and abuse
that's going on in the Indiana Department of Corrections and go on to state that they sent information
to the New York Times as well and the University School of Law so th this person is kind of raising
the alarm here saying these the way that the inmates are being treated here is is
not up to par it's not up to standard in fact it's it's not just that these are assaults abuse and mistreatment of the
persons being housed here yeah and this prisoner has a reputation for being what
they call a prison lawyer and and making these claims and and basically anytime he has a complaint
making sure that it's noted and and is going to the right channels that doesn't mean that this
stuff is not happening but he's just known that's his um that's his M Mo yeah that's how he passes the
time but what we again we're not there we don't know if this is a lie of fabrication or it is happening or
somewhere between in between but what we do know is this this inmate wrote this letter addressed it to the clerk of
courts and we know because they stamped it and filed it that it was received by the clerk of courts so where he's
pointing out that the the Department of Corrections in Indiana has the they police themselves what we do know is
they allowed this document to make it to where this inmate intended to send it they if if they wanted to be
completely corrupt and cover and completely involved in a cover up they could have very easily just taken this
letter and pulled a Richard Allen and wet it down and ate it and it would never have got to the clerk of courts
but we know that it made it there yeah or wet it down and shove it up your ass onward and upward the next line item is
the charging documents yes there are two of these and they're they're identical nearly identical twins of course there
there would should be two of them because they it's a two counts of murder right we unfortunately we have two
victims here and so it's a document for each count and what it's a very short description saying
that what Allen is charged with is is simple as this on or about February 13th 2017 in the county of Carroll the state
of Indiana Richard M Allen did kill another human being victim one while committing or
attempting to commit kidnapping of victim one document number two states the exact
same thing just replace victim number one with victim number two so he's being charged with killing a human being while
committing or attempting to commit kidnapping of those victims the thing that jumped off the page to me that I
thought was very intriguing is it lists the witnesses now these are not people that
witnessed the kidnapping or attempted kidnapping they're not people that witnessed what he is being charged
with this is part of the discovery right this is part of the information that will be
provided to the defense this is a list of witnesses that they that when this document was filed of witnesses they
intend to call to testify at trial and the reason why I found this to be so intriguing uh a couple things one
three of these Witnesses are described only as an abbreviation of their names and this
makes a lot of sense because that would line up with the names that were previously
redacted in other documents the other thing here though too is there's been a the thing that's
upset me and really pissed me off with this case is all of the bad rumors that come and out of Deli or maybe they
originated elsewhere but they just seem to swirl around and swirl around and swirl around and to the to the point
where some people then interpret them as fact the one one of the the rumors has been and and this may come about who
knows but what I can state is from this document it does not appear to be the case the rumor has been that that
Richard 's daughter will be testifying in court and and may be be testifying for the state that that she is a part of
the state's case her name is not on this document yeah rightfully so right well it they according to this
document they have no intention of calling her to the stand right well it's such a small community I think that if
these eyewitnesses and their identity gets out that they're going to get pressure from the community or they're
going to get pressure from the the defense well their names are out there now um they're so again these are not
necessarily eyewitnesses to the crime or anything of that nature these are just people that the state intends to call to
the stand now these again these names could we we could add names to this later that's their right they could also
remove the names but as the filing of this document there are 23 people that are listed as people that they intend to
call to the stand and the other thing too we we got to be perfectly clear just because the state intends to call
somebody to the stand does not mean that they are a witness for the state's case
it's just simply that they have knowledge that the state wants to be presented at trial right right so they
are the the reason why this rumor comes about with the daughter again could be true I've not seen anything that makes
it a hardcore fact but one degree of separation is Richard Allen's wife is listed on this
document again everybody the public needs to understand that does not mean that Richard Allen's wife intends to get
on the stand and build the state's case against her husband likely and we see this all the
time in murder trials she's being called by the state to back up and to verify all of the information
where she is listed in court documents the search warrant the affidavit for the search warrant because she her
statements to police are part of the reasons why they were seeking that search warrant to begin
with Mrs Allen in October of 2022 you were interviewed by the sheriff's at the sheriff's department is that correct yes
during the course of that interview did you agree with the statement from the sheriff's department that your husband
had guns and knives in his home in your home yes yes that's likely the most the most likely reason why she's being
called now would you try to Pepper her with some other questions that could really throw this dude under the bus
well yeah because you could ask her about the confession so exactly and you and you have a transcript of that which
will be you said how many documents were were it was decided would not be included in this release I think it was
18 or 19 and you know what I captain I wonder if those transcripts are part of that because they state in these
documents that they have a transcription of that phone call and other phone calls yeah that's definitely something I
think they're going to have to wait to sift through at trial I mean this is you know we we started covering this
case from the beginning you have y when you're investigating any of these cases you you start coming out with questions
on on your own and it seems like the these 20 what 83 documents or Star to 283 Pages it's 20
yeah two 283 pages but 283 pages of information it's painting a picture of what happened and you know
one of the things that I thought was strange um this was pointed out to me by our Bud buddy fig
sves is one of the things they say is from Richard M Allen's statements investigators believe that Richard M
Allen was also on his phone when he was on the uh when he was on the trail prior to
meeting the girls now this could be a nothing Burger because this might just be what they're
they're calling it he but meeting is kind of a weird term don't you think because that it's almost implying that
there was a a meeting set up for them to meet yeah that that's a real interesting
way of wording it now we do know from previous documentation that he has told law enforcement that he was on his phone
but not on a phone call he was checking stocks checking the stock ticker but yeah I mean like that's that's something
that's fascinating and it could just be that they use the wrong terminology but I think they would have to be pretty
careful when they're releasing this stuff to the public but he says meeting the girls yeah uh again
nothing nothing in the documents so far that proves that there was we don't think PR communication yes we don't
think that there was a meeting or prior communication but very interesting the wording of that Captain because I think
you and I would agree our definition of meeting would imply that it was previously arranged by both parties
right that they would they would meet at the same location at the same time now one thing I'm having a hard time with
and this is more of just a plea to the masses to to help me keep my some keep a grasp on my own sanity too late well
part of it you're nut so yeah it's a for this guy it is certainly a short drive to Crazy Town but there's
a couple of our listeners that I love but you know what you're you're not helping me keep a firm grasp on that
sanity it is July right is that what they tell us it's July of 2023 Richard Allen was arrested last
year this thing is marching its way toward a a double homicide trial and and I am still receiving emails that
tell me that the mayor killed Libby and Abby uh I addressed it in the book in my
book the deli murders and please just I love my favorite part of doing this show one of my favorite
Parts I love the research I love working with the captain but one of my other favorite Parts is engaging with the
listeners and having a good back and forth that's why crime conon so much fun F book signings fun our event at Brew
dog that we've done two years in a row a blast for me because I get I I love the
questions I love people telling me their theories I love people telling me what we do right and do wrong on the show I
love all that that ship is sailed we I don't I do not need another email telling me that
the mayor was responsible what we are talking about today is Richard Allen and talking about
the charges against him in fact I I I deleted this from my notes for today Captain uh cuz I told myself on my drive
here to the garage I wasn't going to bring this up but here I am liar foot and mouth liar liar pants on fire foot
and mouth and I'm talking about it anyway but I believe is his name Shane Evans the uh
okay and and I don't know if he's the current mayor at some point I kept I lost I I I stopped keeping track of
Shane Evans he's not a good suspect uh yeah at the one press conference when they zoom in on his face he does look
like he's about to get sick I can agree with that statement he looks very uncomfortable at that press conference
watch the other faces they look rather uncomfortable as well Shane Evans is a young dude and you know what I found
myself in this situation more than once I'm not saying that Shane Evans did this
I found myself in the situation where maybe I went out the night before a long day of work and and didn't realize how
long of a day it's going to be or how how how serious the day was going to be and I stayed out a little too late had a
two few many soda pops and found myself in a situation where I'm a little dehyd hydrated tired hung over um I've
probably had that face that he had in several meetings that I've been in especially in my 20s and 30s
now I believe he might be working with the prosecutor I don't know if he became the
the City attorney or what but I've seen his name in an attorney capacity on some
of these documents as said though I I I have deleted them from my notes Here for
today yeah but there's this is how it always works I mean whatever evidence comes out some
people some people need to double down and just be right when this investigation first started look they
show you a picture guy on the bridge then they're interviewing the guy the guy that owns the property that the
victims are found on and he's dressed just like the guy on the bridge and so a lot of people jump to
the conclusion well this guy's lying to law enforcement they're found on his property he
looks uh and is dressed like Bridge guy Ron Logan must have killed these girls and no matter what information or what
evidence comes out they're going to stick to their guns on their initial belief but that's not trying to get to
the truth and I don't know and I think it's very disrespectful to the victims Abby and Libby deserve
for all of us to look at the evidence that is coming out and try to find uh justice and peace for them and their
family yeah the the well said there Captain and the the last document that I had for review
is the certificate of analysis we talked about this a little bit earlier the states case against Richard Allen the
biggest part of that case is this unspent shell that was found at the murder scene and their statement of
through our search and seizure of his home we found a gun we found identical in uh ammunition and we tested those and
came to the conclusion that the the marks on the the live round at the found at the
scene came from his gun so just to put this more in in uh terms that that that will be in the courts and the way that
the courts sees it is this comes from the Indianapolis Regional laboratory in Indianapolis
Indiana and the as you pointed out earlier captain that these tests were conducted and then
there was some time that expired before the arrest of Richard Allen and then charging him two days later so as you
point out he's arrested on the 26 I pointed out charged on the 28th this certificate of analysis is
dated October 19th uh they performed these tests from the 14th to to the 19th according to
this document and the tests were on a cartridge in item 016 identified as having been cycled in
the firearm in item 314 so those are numbers of the inventory of the items seized from his home item 314 would be
the the handgun the six hour handgun and the remarks the statements by the person conducting the analysis
says or conducting the test their remarks are an identification opinion is reached when
the evidence exhibits an agreement of class characteristics and a sufficient agreement of individual marks sufficient
agreement is related to the significant duplication of random impressed marks as
evidenced by the correspondence of a pattern or combination of patterns of surface Contours the interpretation of
identification is subjective in nature again that means opinion Nat subjective in nature and based on
relevant scientific research and the reporting examiners training and experience so they're stating here
method methodology used to reach results opinions and interpretations microscopic
comparisons so that is what the case is going to be built around as far as physical evidence goes and then we have
these potential eyewitness statements and then the 23 people that we know that at one point at least the state intends
to call to the stand to back up information that they have found in their investigation which led them to
the doorstep of Richard Al want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage a little bit of a
different episode but but fascinating to look into these documents and to see what weight this is going to have on the
upcoming trial Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners yes we do beautiful listeners
this week we are recommending coal country killing a c culture a union and the murders that changed it all by
Robert Tenon bomb and the great Steve Jackson if you are a apple subscriber to True Crime garage off the Record you may
have already heard an interview that we had with Steve Jackson he's a great true
crime author he's authored many great true crime books over the years and this is just the latest in that long line of
great works from Steve Jackson this is the most complete telling of a murder case and story that I had never heard of
and it also features the true story of these fumbling and bumbling criminals that were known as the hillbilly Hitman
so check out Steve Jackson's latest work Cole country killing a culture a union and the murders that changed it all you
can find that great title and many other recommendations on our recommended page
on our website True Crime garage and until next week be good be kind and don't [Music]
[Applause] litter ah the sounds of the holiday because when you open a college savings Iowa account you're giving a
child the gift of Education to help pay for college and trade schools you get a tax break and peace of mind for whatever
is ahead register before December 31st and you could be one of two lucky winners to get
$529 College savings Iowa sounds like success visit College savings iowa.com today administered by the state
treasurer of Iowa

Delphi Murders Unsealed /// Part 2 /// 684

Part 2 of 2

www.TrueCrimeGarage.com (http://www.truecrimegarage.com/)

On February 13th 2017, two teenaged girls went missing for the trails at the Monon High Bridge in Carroll County, Indiana. The following day search and rescue teams found the bodies of the two girls, Libby and Abby. It was more than five years later that Richard Allen was arrested and charged with the murders. Recently, previously sealed court documents about the case, the arrest, and evidence were unsealed and released to the public. Due to dozens of requests we have decided to discuss these documents and the details of the information found on those pages this week in the Garage. There are significant details that many have wondered about for over six years now. Finally, more information is now available in a murder investigation that has been previously cloaked in mystery, silence and uncertainty.

Recommended Reading - Coal Country Killing; a future, a union, and the murders that changed it all by bestselling authors Robert K. Tanenbaum and Steve Jackson

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Brief Summary

Richard Allen's arrest and confessions in the Abby and Libby murder case are examined, revealing police procedures and new evidence from released documents.

Key points

College Savings Iowa. Open a college savings account and give the gift of education, plus a chance to win!
Richard Allen's Confession. In a phone call, Richard Allen admits to killing Abby and Libby, revealing chilling details.
Mental Health Decline. After confessing, Richard Allen's mental health reportedly declines, raising concerns about his well-being.
Richard Allen's Plea for Help. Richard Allen begs the court for legal assistance due to financial struggles.
Inmate Abuse Claims. A letter reveals allegations of abuse and mistreatment of Richard Allen in prison.
Speculation About Witnesses. Rumors swirl about Richard Allen's daughter testifying, but documents say otherwise.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

You get a tax break and peace of mind for whatever's ahead.

Promoting College Savings Iowa account benefits.

0:12WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

65/ 100Some tension

More from True Crime Garage TV

Solve the Crime

Read a real case one clue at a time, then see how your call held up against the investigators.