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thing what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murdered two little girls only a coward would do such a thing don't give [Music]
up we will not [Music] stop 24 hours of course since they were reported missing 13-year-olds Liberty
German Abigail Williams last scene around 1:00 Monday afternoon near the monan high bridge that abandoned rail
Bridge just outside of Deli news 18's Brad opheim joins us now live from Caroll County where that surge continues
at this hour Brad Jeff like you said Liberty German and Abigail Williams were last seen
yesterday afternoon when they were dropped off near that bridge now they had made arrangements to be picked up by
family members later that afternoon but they never showed up now a staging area has been set up at the deli fire
department and since I've been here I've seen hundreds of people come in and out
of this staging area we are told that volunteers will be sent out in groups where they will comb the area in efforts
to find these two girls I was able to actually catch up with Abigail Williams mother Anna Williams and she says she is
Amazed by the outpouring of support from the community I also spoke with the Carol County Sheriff to lesen and he
says they are working with officials on getting an Amber Alert issued just in the last couple hours I have been at the
staging area I've seen and spoke from volunteers that don't even live in Carol County including one man from West
lafette who came over and joined the search he said he has a teenage daughter himself and wanted to do what he could
to make sure those girls make it home safe directly to the killer who may be in this room
only a coward would do such a thing what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murdered two little girls only a coward would do such a thing don't give [Music]
up we will not stop we're here in the garage me and the colonel talking with skip
Jansen about who he believes should be the number one person of interest skip when did you start your investigation
into the deli murders that's a good question I've probably been looking into it for the last year or so I guess I got
into it cuz I thought it was I was intrigued by the fact that there were audio and video of the Killer and I
thought it was even more unique that one of the victims had was the one who had done the video of him so that's how I
kind of got started looking into it and why do you think so many people on the internet have been fascinated with the
deli murders another good question I think probably those reasons as well as I think the small town aspect plays a
part in it and I think that the fact that you know anytime two children are murdered you know people have a
fascination with that and for people that don't know Deli has a population of just under 3,000 individuals yeah very
very low populated area and the unusual thing about it is for a town that has less than 3,000 people I've never seen a
case that had this many potential Persons of Interest yeah on the internet there's hundreds of side by sides but
law enforcement has stated over and over in different press conferences that they
believe the Killer is local to Deli correct I yeah I mean I agree with that if that's what you're asking I think the
the area that the crime was committed in is is such a remote area that the odds of this being someone who was from out
of town or a random type murder I think the odds are probably a little too long for that yeah I want to Echo that but I
do want to point out that they have what what their exact words are is that we believe that you the person is local
someone either from Deli living in Deli or someone that works there so not necessarily doesn't have to
be an actual member of the deli proper population according to those words and statements that have been released by
law enforcement but I do agree 100% with you Skip and Captain given the nature of the crime
scene and the Monon High Bridge and the trail system there there are people that
live in Deli and live in Carroll County that I've spoken to or heard in interviews state
that they didn't even know those Trails existed or the bridge existed so for some random person to just find that and
use that as a it the killer used this as a hunting ground whether he intended to
kill someone there or not he was hunting for prey for a victim or victims that day at that location and given what I've
seen and reviews as far as maps go I would like to go there and walk the uh terrain myself but given the remoteness
of that area and the lay of the land somebody had to have familiarity with that location I agree with that I think
people get misled a little bit sometimes they see they'll look at Google Maps and
and see that one of the roads that the bridge is off of Highway 300 which is it's just a little small you know
country two-lane road and I think people think that's maybe a larger more traveled area and it's just not so we
have discussed many possible people of interest on the show and with arrests like Chad
well and so many other arrests throughout the country and people having side by sides one thing that's tough
with all those individuals are they capable of committing the crimes yes but can you put them in Deli the day of the
murders but with your person of interest you can actually put them at the park the day of the murders yeah that's right
he was there he admitted he was there he was there he said he was with a female he actually was was the uh one of the
witnesses for the original sketch that was released some people refer to as Oldbridge guy uh to answer that question
yes he's he's the first one that I know of it that was admittedly there so your Person of Interest admits that he was
there and also admits that he has talked to law enforcement and he came forward and he is the reason for the first
sketch that has been released do you know if your Person of Interest was a part of any of the searches that day I
don't I don't know that he was part of uh any search I just know that he was there around the time of the murders and
he was in pretty CL close proximity to uh to the area that where the girls were found so the girls went missing on
February 13th but their bodies weren't found till February 14th yeah that's correct around noon on the 14th so just
to add a little clarity here uh in regards to the time frame that we're talking about we're talking about
February 13 2017 now liby and Abby were dropped off approximately 1:45 in the afternoon this
is according to Kelsey who dropped them off at the trail head and the Snapchat picture of Abby was posted at
207 p.m. on that day and it's believed based off of the evidence that we have that being the still picture which comes
from the video which was then released at a later date the still picture of bridge guy yeah correct it due to the
positioning of the sun uh what we can see in that video we can tell that the abduction took place between 2:20 p.m.
and 2:40 p.m. that afternoon so relatively quickly things are moving very fast the girls are dropped off and
less than an hour later they are abducted um less than a half an hour or later that picture is posted on Snapchat
of Abby it's kind of mindboggling how we have this perpetrator lurking waiting in the shadows if you
will looking for potential prey and it just so happens to line up with about the time that they're dropped off and
from my understanding ski and you can correct me if I'm I'm wrong that it's approximately about a half mile from the
trail head to the bridge itself self which two girls taking their time maybe they went a roundabout way there's two
different options to get you to that moan and high bridge that time lines up all those times really line up with
about how long it would take someone on foot to get to that bridge and when you say that this guy your guy has
admittedly his own words put him Place him at the crime scene at about the same time that the abduction and murders took
place and I don't want to be clear even though they're murdered at that location and left there they were
abducted I mean they were they were moved and coralled and directed by the killer where to go for what we know that
because we have audio evidence of that correct and we don't know for exactly what reasons but you're saying this guy
has placed himself there during this time frame and the other thing that's key to hone in on at this point too when
we're discussing times on that day is according to law enforcement they believe whatever took place because
again they're not telling us exactly what happened whatever took place was done and over with probably relatively
quickly but at least by 5:00 p.m that day yeah correct because that's what that's the time frame that they say that
uh the car was at the CPS building when at the 2019 press conference that they LED that off with that that they were
looking for the driver which which I thought was interesting of the vehicle that was parked there from 12 to 5 I
thought it was unusual they asked for the drive about the driver seems like maybe they know about what the who the
vehicle is and that's something that that we can get into a little bit but let me say a couple of things that I
think are important one thing one thing I've learned is that law enforcement and
a perpetrator have 180 degree opposite agendas and I'm not talking about just the simple fact that Law Enforcement
wants to catch the sky and the guy you know the perpetrator doesn't want to be caught how that relates to this case is
and it goes back to what you were talking about about the time is Law Enforcement wants to place somebody
there between under that bridge near that crime scene between about 2:30 and 3:30 that afternoon okay the perpetrator
wants to be anywhere else but under that bridge between 2:30 and 3:30 okay and that's something I think that that the
listeners should keep in mind as we as we go along here because there's been a ton of misinformation deflection
false information put out as we again as we talk about that you'll see some of that maybe people changing their time
frames of when they were there who they were with where they parked and things like that well it's hard to know because
we're not from that area we don't know how popular this park is it's a day where there's no school how many people
do you think are at the park during the time of the murders it's it's hard to say i' I I've I've identified Maybe six
or seven I know there's been I know there's been people who've said there were up to 50 people I don't buy that at
all I think there were just a few I've identified six or seven so people put the time frame of the murders in between
2:30 and let's say 3:30 but we know that because the girls weren't responding and
somebody was trying to pick them up and this uh miscommunication was would have started about 3:00 yeah I think I think
Libby's dad Derek had arrived and started started walking the trails around 3:00 just after and that was that
was about the time they they started realizing you know something was wrong Derek called Libby's phone at 311 that
afternoon and this is as he was getting close he's driving in a vehicle to go pick up the girls there was no set time
when they were dropped off what time they would be picked up it was a roundabout time right and the the
statement was or always has been that Derek would call Libby when he got close so they could meet him at the trail head
and we know that that call took place at 311 he's unable to get a hold of her she
doesn't answer the phone he then arrives shortly after that 311 phone call and starts to walk the trails looking for
the girls I think the one of the important things is is is that where he parked is an area called the mirrors lot
which is the same place that the girls were dropped off it's just a small area private area but uh the locals knew it
as a place to had easy access to the trails there the trail head like you said's right there so it's just a short
walk to the bridge and it's called the mirrors lot because the MIRS Family Farm is right across the street it's right
across the street exactly they may have owned portions of that additional land at one one time right and it's area area
that you can just get a few cars in at one time three or four five maybe Max so it's just a small area but the locals
knew about it well the importance of the just being a small location and like you
said it could only fit maybe five cars is that your Person of Interest claims that around 3:00 his car would have been
parked in that lot that's what time he said he arrived yeah and he said he started walking slowly down the trail
with a female but we haven't had any other eyewitness come forward and say that they saw your Person of Interest
walking with this female we have anybody come forward and say that they saw them
that's correct well that yeah that's correct that not not anybody that we that has said anything publicly I do
believe that that he was seen later on but but no no nobody has publicly said they saw him nobody's corroborated that
and what's also odd about this one claim that your Person of Interest made is the
time frame he would have run into possibly Derek or possibly flannel Sherk guy at the trail head around this time
period yeah he like I said when dere got there he started on walking on the on the trails he ran into an older man
older gentleman who's referred to as flannel shirt guy and asked him if if he had seen the girl two girls and he said
no but there's a couple arguing under the bridge so Derek took the other path I guess assuming that that was not who
he was looking for so so maybe the girls were on the other path one thing I've always wondered about here skip is
there's actually two Bridges right there's one that goes over the Indiana hoer Highway what's that the freedom
Bridge Freedom Bridge yes part of me wonders when he gets told by FSG flannel sh flannel shirt guy can do you have his
name in front of you I think we he's been identified I think we can just say his name last name is McCain McCain he
was in charge of the the trails system there correct so he's involved with the parks and wreck
or something of that nature but so he speaks with McCain and Kane says I I saw a couple arguing under the bridge I
think well I think you actually said I heard a couple arguing under the bridge and I'm with you it could mean one of
two things either he goes okay well that's not the people I'm looking for so I'll go this opposite way maybe he just
assumed the freedom Bridge rather than the moan and high bridge it's possible but McCain was coming from that from
that direction so I think the assumption is that he would had just been at the Bri at the monan High Bridge like I said
you know he he asked you know about two young girls you know somebody describing
a couple they heard would not be the same description so so he he you know he said he said no he hasn't seen them so
it it you know that part of it I think is fairly simple well in this case there's so much
information and I think there's some misinformation that's being put out by certain people and when you hear about
this eyewitness uh McCain that talked with Derek at the trail head and he says that
I heard a arguing couple roughly around 250 to 3:00 to me one of the things that
people are missing is that would be roughly at the time that Abby and Libby are making contact with Bridge guy and
we don't have the full audio tapes so we don't know and and we don't know if those audio tapes have the evidence on
there was there an argument was there did one of the girls start arguing with Bridge guy and if that is true then
around 3:00 McCain did not hear arguing couple he heard Bridge Guy arguing with Abby and Libby yeah I think I think
that's likely I think you one of the biggest questions that's that people have had in this case is you why didn't
anybody hear anything you know why didn't the girl scream why didn't anybody hear anything well maybe they
did you know maybe McCain uh heard something and and but but nobody's put that together like you just said so so
your Person of Interest we know that he was there he claims he was eyewitness he
claims he's the reason for the first sketch that was released he also claims that he enters the same parking lot that
Derek parked in roughly about 3:00 but then other times he has told sources and talked on the internet about
being a part of the arguing couple which would put him at the crime scene at 3:00
correct he also didn't come forward to law enforcement saying that he saw anybody like I mentioned he was the
witness to one of the witnesses to the first sketch until well after the uh video had been put out at least a week I
think that kind of asked the question you why did if you saw somebody he says he saw somebody dressed like BG was with
a scarf over his face if you saw if you saw somebody like that why didn't you come you know and you know two little
girls were murdered that day why didn't you come forward immediately you know and and he later recanted that uh
statement yeah I have a couple problems with this person of interest one you're at the park roughly around the time that
this family is looking for two missing girls there's no witness that says he stayed to help so what kind of person
are you what kind of canoe are you I think our listeners know what I'm getting at but on top of that you're
there's this you're claiming that the day these girls were murdered and you would have
known that the next day that you were at the park the same day these girls were murdered and you saw a suspicious person
you're not coming forward to law enforcement for 7even eight days well he he originally said he was with his
girlfriend okay he later changed that to a girl that and he never mentioned her name just uh told uh Apparently one of
the uh stories that was out was he was part of a cheating couple so that was the reason for maybe uh why was so
ambiguous about who you know who he was with was because he was saying he you know he was trying to keep it on the
download that he was with another girl well and that's really interesting because this person of interest he's
coming forward and saying look I'm the I'm the eyewitness I saw Bridge guy I am the reason for the first sketch that is
released we now know that law enforcement is saying hey don't that's that's sketches secondary essentially
saying we don't buy this eyewitness's account at one point saying well I was at the parking lot roughly the same time
Derek was there H but he didn't see me and at some point I was yeah I was with there with my
girlfriend uh now we know that's not to be true so then he has to then go on and
then tell people okay look I wasn't there with my girlfriend I was cheating on my girlfriend and so therefore you
know but I I was covering for that which a lot of times eyewitnesses come forward
and they lie to law enforcement and lie to the public because they were doing something bad that necessarily doesn't
make him a murder but my issue is we don't know who he claims he was with under that bridge key phrase there under
the bridge which by definition guys down the hill under the bridge anything under the bridge becomes a part
of the crime scene they found articles of clothing around that area under the bridge in the water so we have this
individual lying and and constantly changing his story but what does he do he puts himself at that crime scene and
I don't believe anybody saw arguing couple they just heard arguing couple arguing couple then equals Bridge Guy
arguing with Abby and Libby equals that's the murderer and he is putting himself in that position that location
arguing with somebody which we believe would be Abby and Libby and that puts him at the crime scene that makes him
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about his Person of Interest and how this person of interest has claimed he was eyewitness he saw BG he's the reason
for the first sketch that was released and that he was there with his girlfriend then changed his story to
that he was there with somebody he was cheating on his girlfriend with shows you the type of character this
individual is and on top of that he just constantly keeps changing his story he said he saw Bridge guy leaving going
toward Freedom Bridge around the same time that flannel shk guy and Derek would have been uh talking so they would
have had they would had been close to each other in proximity to each other at the time he said he saw him leaving
there he described him as like I said with the the clothes that BG was wearing seen in the video and also with a scarf
over his face again I can't get over the fact that if you're just a normal guy and maybe you don't want to come forward
right away because you're going to be caught cheating but you can tell law enforcement that and they don't have to
release that information to the public but you can tell your friends family and girlfriend hey by the way I was there
that day well why were you there oh well I was taking a lunch break or whatever reason
you have to come up with to tell your friends and family but you believe that you saw this
individual and you're waiting 7 days to come and talk to law enforcement it just
seems very suspicious it seems very shady it doesn't you know pass the sniff test if
you will well he said he he came forward after the video had been released and said that's the guy I saw that day yeah
so when exactly is this photo or video released after the crime they released the video I think two or three days
after the murders or the photo of photo taken from the video photo yeah yeah the
still photo was released a few days afterwards it wasn't until that 2019 press conference that we get the
video right and let's be clear about one thing the younger sketch the second sketch that was released in 2019 was
actually created 3 or 4 days after the murders that was actually the F the the other the the old uh Bridge guy sketch
was done was not released until July of 2017 so it was five months before the first sketch was released yet they had
the sketch of the younger guy three or four days after the murders so the second sketch that was released they had
pretty quickly but for some reason this eyewitness comes forward seven or eight days after the murders gives his account
and they go with his sketch at least yeah a week later and saying that that was the guy he it came after the uh uh
picture was or the photo was was shown on television he said that's the guy I saw again I'm just curious why you
wouldn't come if you saw a suspicious guy there close to where two girls were killed why you wouldn't come forward
immediately let's pretend that DP is Bridge guy for a minute okay he's coming forward now because he has an out that
that sketch is his out right he doesn't want to come forward before like you were getting to that oh I don't want to
come forward because they can identify me if I was there right and so he he sees the sketch it's not doesn't appear
to be him to him so DP comes forward and says yep I I would like to second that I
saw that person I was was there that day and saw that person there as well I yeah
he actually he saw the video he saw the video or the P the photo not the sketch I think he became aware of the sketch
I've spoken with person friend of mine locally whose family has a brother who's in law enforcement that I think is a is
an incredible source and he told me that a lot of local people knew about this there was a second sketch they didn't
know what it looked like obviously early but they knew very early on that there was a second sketch I think I think the
time how the timing works is he came after the second sketch had been created uh hadn't been released yet but the
second sketch had been created and that's when he he came forward the second sketch that was actually released
is actually the first sketch that they created correct but how is law enforcement getting that information for
the second sketch that was released from a witness a witness that saw something needed to be reported that day and Skip
correct me if I'm wrong it's been my understanding that the second sketch released is based off of eyewitness
statements description right and the first sketch that was released was based off of the still photo then later video
evidence uh and it was all well a lot of people believe that the law enforcement's uh take on it is that it
was it was created by multiple Witnesses okay so both of the sketches or law enforcement says both of the sketches
were were created based on uh witness testimony I I agree with you though I think that the first sketch was had the
the photo and video had some influence on it and your Person of Interest which we are calling DP I don't know if you
guys picked up on the fact that Nick called the person of interest DP we're calling him DP for legal reasons
obviously and for safety reasons for himself but he came forward and was telling people online he was responsible
for the first sketch that was released that's correct yeah again I think that's a little bit
unusual that you know law enforcement usually insists that uh the witnesses don't say anything in cases like this he
certainly injected himself into the case by speaking on social media kind of getting a story out there but both of
his stories put him with another person at the trails that day right so where's this other person right I mean
if I'm law enforcement that's my first thing I'm going okay DP was there and in story a he's with so and so and in story
B he's with someone else who are these people and do they exist well again I think I think the reason for the change
of the story was that he was with another girl and didn't want that information getting out I think that was
the excuse to get to the Second Story which was the the the cheating girl yeah I think that that probably raised a red
flag of some some sorts you know but he was he was considered a witness they thought that um you know law enforcement
seeks Witnesses they know they need Witnesses and this guy came forward voluntarily so they assumed he was uh
said he and described something that looked like what they were seeing on video so they had no reason not to
believe him okay so this DP guy's there and he's with this girl that he's cheating on his girlfriend with I mean
that's pretty scumbag anyways but we don't have this other girl that he was cheating on his girlfriend with coming
forward and saying hey I was there with DP and the other thing about it too is he's saying he was arguing with this
girl that he was with under the bridge again putting himself and putting whoever this girl he was with if there
was even a girl there with him under the bridge again under the bridge you have to understand that under the bridge or
on the other side of the bridge is all a part of the crime scene so he would be saying Not only was I cheating with this
girl but she was over at the crime scene with me about the same time that the killer would have been making contact
with Abby and Libby but yet yet they didn't see anything again he wasn't seen by anybody except one person a girl
named Cheyenne Engles and she's the only one there that has corroborated seeing him do we know where Cheyenne says she
saw she never said where exactly where she saw him she said that she her story and I'll be kind of Frank here I don't I
haven't found anything that she said to be truthful she originally said she got there at 350 changed her story to she
got there at 250 she showed a picture of uh from the day says that she said she went there to take pictures she shows a
picture and it's taken around 3:00 of the bridge she never said you know she saw what time she saw him just that she
saw a heterosexual couple and also ran into a friend of her who she said she didn't know was going
to be there well the biggest point about DP being a person of interest is he was
at the park that day claims to be in the vicinity of the bridge and has changed his story multiple times now you have
Cheyenne that is eyewitnessed to DP being there but she's constantly changing her story as well it's very
very suspicious I think I think there are four I think there are four people involved in in involved in that equation
I think DP Cheyenne Cheryl and a girl named Shelby and I think they that one of them has has something to do with a
car that was parked at the CPS building that law enforcement inquired about so who is this Shelby she's a friend of uh
all they're all friends um she I know she went to law enforcement to talk to tell them kind of straighten out the
vehicle situation I think there was a lot of confusion about where everybody parked what time everybody got there
whose cars were there I think she went and told him that you know her yes her car was there uh and here's how it got
there I I don't think no I think again nobody saw her nobody saw DP I don't have any reason to believe she was there
because you know there's no there's nobody corroborating the story that she was there I'm not sure she she ever said
she was there yeah she she and Cheyenne are friends because they were married to
well well one was married to uh two brothers one was married and one was uh had a child with the other brother so
they they were friends that way but does Cheyenne ever say when she saw Cheryl she says she says that Cheryl got there
she Shane says she got there about 250 she said that Cheryl got there about 230 uh she didn't say exactly what point
she ran into him or ran into her I'm sorry so other than so we're going to exclude Shelby because we don't believe
that she was there but other than Cheyenne and Cheryl do we have anybody we don't know that Cheryl was there
either right but do we have anybody at the park seeing DP that day no nobody saw DP except
Cheyenne okay but nobody saw Cheyenne nobody saw Cheryl nobody saw Shelby they all they all were there at the park in
the in the same uh time frame that that several other people were there including FSG but nobody saw any of them
I think again I think the time the the timeline and the vehicles are the critical part of the case I think it's
likely law enforcement knows or has a particular POI Person of Interest and I think that that was probably gathered
from those two things the timelines never made sense amongst any of the witnesses or any of the people that were
there and neither has the vehicle situation so you're telling me that Cheyenne says I saw DP
at the park but we don't know what time she's claiming she saw him is she saying
that he was with somebody or alone she was saying he was with somebody that was part of the they were part of the
heterosexual couple as how she described it but the person that she's saying he was with is this person X yes that's
what makes this person so interesting to me is because none of the stories line up none of the stories make any sense so
if you're having a hard time following the story well don't blame you because their stories just don't line up but
Cheyenne also said that she saw dp's car in which parking lot uh it was parked I
believe at the mir's lot but there's another eyewitness that disputes this claim yeah there was an eyewitness that
drove by around 3:00 and said that she only saw two cars if all the people who were there say they were there all the
people that say they were there actually were there then there would been a lot more than two cars cuz cuz we know FSG
was there and possibly parked there um we know Derek was parked there yeah and Derek got there and parked there around
just after three o'clock so and it's not clear even where Cheyenne parked right yeah and uh she because there's there's
reason to question that if she was even there that day absolutely there she as a
matter of fact she says she leaves at 4:00 and as she's leaving she notices a man who she later finds or realizes is
Derek uh sitting in the parking lot with another person in the in the car doing what looks like a drug deal well Derek
wasn't with anybody that day okay terara later came and you came but she didn't arrive till 4:10 so how did how did
Cheyenne see see anybody in the car as a matter of fact when when Tara got there
she says that Derek jumped in the car with her so how did Cheyenne see Derek doing what looked like a drug deal at
4:00 it's possible that her her time frame is just off right but did she got he got in he got in the other car did
she identified Derek as being Derek or just some guy she said originally she changed it later on to real when she
realized it was Derek or is that's the way she put it she changed she said it was Derek I mean come on people how many
times are you going to keep changing your story again like again that just goes to part of the the stories and how
they've changed I understand people's recollection but a lot of this seems a lot more than
that than just you know misinterpreting times and things like that she the reason you know she
she knew she got there because at 250 because she remembers a robo call she got and she remembers leaving at 4:00
because she didn't have good enough uh Sal service to upload the picture to Snapchat that she took and she did that
about 10 minutes before 4 so she knew her times were right or at least she said she knew her times were right well
this is a small town and I think some of this information was getting leaked or at least some rumors were happening it
sounds to me like Cheyenne is having one story and then once she finds out well no Derek was in that area at that time
then she comes back and goes oh it just wasn't some man that I saw it was Derek again we have a eyewitness that is
changing his story that puts himself at the scene of the crime roughly around the time of the murders doesn't come
forward right away knows the girls uh I believe at some point people said he was
following one of them on Facebook possibly could have been following them on Snapchat said that he rode the bus
with them that they lived you know a couple miles away so he knew the victims but again their stories keep changing
and how suspicious is that then Cheyenne says that she sees dp's car at the other
parking lot but it seems like he would have been parked at the CPS building and waiting for the girls I think it's
possible yeah kind I think I think if you if you if you go by what law enforcement says that the car parked at
the CPS building could have possibly been there from as early as 12 o'clock I think uh it seems likely I don't think
the 12 I don't think that the 12 to5 I think that's just giv them some leeway but I think they know that uh he was
probably there longer than than what what he said so DP is changing his story constantly Cheyenne is changing her
story she is the only one that claims to see his car there we have other credible
eyewitnesses that don't see his car so that's very suspicious why would you be driving somebody else's car to the park
that day maybe because you didn't want your car to be seen because maybe you're going to do something bad possibly again
that go that goes back to you know law enforcement saying in the 2019 press conference that they were looking for
the driver of a vehicle that tells that tells me it's likely that it was uh whoever they were
whoever they're trying to find information of was driving a vehicle that wasn't his a borrowed vehicle but
we also believe that there was an eyewitness that would have saw the driver of that vehicle yeah I think I
think that uh yeah obviously there was there was a witness that saw there was a witness that saw
somebody that that that ends up being the second sketch um I think there's possibility that that wi is the same
person who saw the car uh as as BG was exiting the park now even though sketch one and sketch 2 they're Worlds Apart
but there are some similarities but your Person of Interest DP matches both of these which is very
concerning and the second sketch that was a release of the younger individual he
matches he matches that sketch more than any other person of interest I've seen match a sketch now hopefully that gets
out to the internet and people can make their own predictions and own assumptions on that well let me ask you
this if like we mentioned earlier a lot of locals knew that there was a second sketch early on if you had killed some
two people and you had gotten you had gotten win that there was another there was a sketch out there I mean you
obious or no this is this point I'm talking about the sketch being done three or four days later because he
didn't come forward till after that you got no no what I'm saying is if you killed somebody and you found out law
enforcement didn't just have this photo that they released but they also have a sketch what you're saying exactly yeah
you would think you had been seen right I mean you you know so that's certainly an incentive to come
forward to explain your explain your whereabouts and why you were there that day you waited a week to come forward or
at least a week why you know why why did you do that first of all and secondly uh
uh is that is that the is that the reason you know law enforcement has has thought that this person is following
the case and and getting information you want to know what we know and so uh I think it's likely that somebody was
sharing information with him or he had access to that and uh and that's why he came forward well and you also after
you're doing a lot of your research and you're looking into DP you notice that a
lot of the comments that the police officers are making or law enforcement is making about their suspect or when
they talking to the killer that it really applies to the research and the misinformation that they got from these
eyewitnesses early on they talk about we believe that we were lied to early on or
that we didn't identify this person correct directly and so to have the confidence that he had to go into
law enforcement and say hey look I was there I was an eyewitness I saw BG and I think the small town component comes in
here because they believed him because they said well look look at him look at his family and look at what they've done
in the community this is a kid that we can trust and I think they bought whatever story he was selling
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Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. We are joined in the Garage by Skip Jansen to discuss a new suspect and a theory that is catching fire! Previous Delphi Murders True Crime Garage coverage includes the following… Delphi Murders /// A New Suspect episodes 486 & 487 - Delphi Murders /// 4 Years Later episodes 468 & 469 - Delphi Murders Discussion episode 395 - Delphi Murders /// Off the Record episodes 321 & 322 - Delphi Murders Revisited episodes 320 & 321 - Delphi Murders episodes 110 & 111

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Delphi murders and a suspicious eyewitness involved in the case.

Key points

The Search for Liberty and Abigail. Two 13-year-old girls go missing near a bridge, sparking a massive community search.
Community Support. The outpouring of support from the community is overwhelming as volunteers join the search.
Person of Interest Emerges. A key figure in the investigation admits to being near the crime scene around the time of the murders.
Witness Changes Story. The person of interest initially claimed to be with his girlfriend but later changed his story to cheating.
Suspicious Timing. The witness came forward a week after the murders, raising questions about his credibility.
Eyewitness Confusion. Multiple witnesses have conflicting stories about the events surrounding the crime scene.

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