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[Music] garage and this is the case of the deli [Music] murders [Music] been nearly 24 hours of course since
they were reported missing 13-year-olds Liberty German Abigail Williams last scene around 1:00 Monday afternoon near
the monan high bridge that abandoned rail Bridge just outside of Deli now news 18's Brad opheim joins us now live
from Carol County where that surge continues at this hour Brad Jeff like you said Liberty German
and Abigail Williams were last seen yesterday afternoon when they were dropped off near that bridge now they
had made arrangements to be picked up by family members later that afternoon but
they never showed up now a staging area has been set up at the deli fire department and since I've been here I've
seen hundreds of people come in and out of this staging area we are told that volunteers will be sent out in groups
where they will comb the area in efforts to find these two girls I was able to actually catch up with Abigail Williams
mother Anna Williams and she says she is Amazed by the outpouring of support from
the community I also spoke with the Carol County Sheriff Tobe lesen and he says they are working with officials on
getting an Amber Alert issued just in the last couple hours I have been at the staging area I've seen and spoke from
volunteers that don't even live in Carroll County including one man from West Lafayette who came over and joined
the search he said he has a teenage daughter himself and wanted to do what he could to make sure those girls make
it home [Music] safe well as you heard in the trailer there we have two missing girls and this
is a very popular case right now it's it's on the news maybe you've seen the Billboards but in Deli Indiana there's
been a homicide there's been two homicides of teenage girls and they went missing on Monday February 13th later
that week the bodies are found it's ruled a homicide and they're looking for the guy or killers that committed these
crimes now the thing here is this is actually very different from what we would normally cover and I know it
doesn't sound so different right away but when I say February 13 I mean February 13th
2017 usually we don't cover cases this recent this is a very not just ongoing investigation like we see in a lot of
the cold cases that we've covered but this is an investigation that is is very hot right now it's it's it's heated up
there's a massive Nationwide search for a suspect and there's a couple things that become pretty difficult for us to
produce the show about this case one law enforcement's keeping a lot of things close to their vest um that way when
they do have a suspect that they can charge it'll be more likely that they can actually get a conviction MH uh so I
think that's smart on law enforcement but it's hard to produce a show right um talking about this case the other thing
is there so there's not a lot of evidence out there there's a bunch of weird speculation um and there is nobody
arrested yet correct and this was a case that we were getting request from all over the country to cover this thing
late February and this is relatively close to us uh probably the biggest case in
Midwest right now yeah and we kept talking about covering it because this is something we're incredibly passionate
about as the captain said we're close to where this took place um this is an ongoing investigation that we've been
keeping up with in the news and trying to keep track of ourselves the problem was we weren't really equipped to cover
it in late February there wasn't a whole lot of information out there now we sit
here in in May and maybe there's not that much more information that's been released since then but we we feel an
obligation to cover it at this time they're they're hunting this guy I believe they can find him and we'd like
to do our part yeah and our part is just to you know shed some light on this case
M put it in the put it on the desk of some armchair detectives talk about the timeline talk about some theories maybe
some suspects maybe somebody out there could add some value to the case well let's start off with the timeline
regarding The Disappearance investigation regarding the murders of young Liberty and Abigail um to Pro to
provide you with a little bit of background so this all starts on Monday of February 13th this is the Carrol
County Schools they only have a half day of school scheduled for this day so only
classes for the first half of the day because the rest of the day they've scheduled some teacher conferences and
staff meetings at 1 p.m. a family member drops off the girls at a trail near the
moanin bridge now this is an abandoned railroad bridge over Deer Creek around 5:30 p.m. the girls fail to show up at a
predetermined location to be picked up by a family member the family looks for the girls searching the immediate area
when they turn up nothing the girls are then reported missing so almost immediately these two young girls are
reported missing that night a large search effort involving volunteers and multiple law enforcement agencies well
that's underway they scour the area in an attempt to find Liberty in Abigail the search is then called off due to
Darkness and that's not none of this is too weird at first right I mean we've all been dropped off by a a you know a
parent maybe you and your friend are going to go to the mall maybe you're going to see a movie your parents are
going to drop you off and we're going to meet meet up at this time mhm now be the before the age of cell
phones you know that would be way different because you couldn't text if there was a um you know a [ __ ] in the
plant snafu yeah so this is pretty simple though but we have a gap of roughly 4 and 1/2 hours yeah the girls
were going to go out and enjoy the weather that day it was unseasonably warm for February in Indiana and they
were going to go out hiking for a while they're supposed to be picked up at 5:30
p.m. they're nowhere to be found so around mid midnight that night the Carroll County Sheriff this is to laen
he says uh that they are going to call off the search you know it's getting very dark out at that time they they had
no reason to expect or suspect Foul Play or believe that the girls were in any immediate danger now their biggest
concern at this point would be exposure to the elements because it is a February
night and even though the day was quite warm it's going to get quite cold that night and the girls were hiking just
outside the town of Deli which has a very small population of 3,000 smaller community and even though that the
search was called off around midnight now some Searchers lingered and it's believed that they were still searching
the area until about 2:30 that morning now Tuesday February 14th early Tuesday morning the search resume resumes with
with teams of volunteers they have police officers the effort also includes can9 units and dive teams around noon
searchers find two bodies this is about a half mile to 3/4 of a mile away from the bridge that they were they were
walking on that they were dropped off nearby right so let's just keep this clear they're dropped off on Monday at
roughly about 10000 p.m. to go hiking mhm people search Monday night they can't find anybody they don't find the
girls they come back Tuesday and roughly in the afternoon they find the bodies of
the two girls yeah it's right around noon on that Tuesday now at 2 p.m. this is a news conference takes place this is
all the authorities involved you have the Carroll County Sheriff you have the city of Deli police chief and an Indiana
State Police official they announced the discovery of the bodies but they give no
indication of their identities they say for the first time that Foul Play is suspected in connection with the case uh
when pushed by media as to why Foul Play is expected a public relations officer simply says they they suspect Foul Play
because the way the bodies were found meaning just immediate obvious signs of of Foul Play to those people that found
the bodies right and they're not releasing if there was any trauma what kind of wounds there were if
they were if there were any wounds if there was any sign of strangulation or anything they're not releasing any of
that there's no specifics now I believe it was firefighters that may have found the bodies and even though the sheriff
and the state police do not immediately identify the found bodies I believe when
the firefighters radioed this in they said we found the missing girls and it's not good at 400 p.m. on Tuesday Deli
community schools superintendent Gregory BRS releases a statement saying that the
bodies found in the afternoon are those of the two missing Deli Community Middle
School students and despite no confirmation from police he's stating that it's the two girls we were looking
for ble says that a grief counselor will be made available to students and staff
and he later says that school security will be stepped up and all of the after school activities at Deli Community
Middle will be cancelled for the remainder of the week and a local Methodist Church is going to hold a
candlelight visual again at this point law enforcement is not making the statements or the claims that these are
the missing girls correct because on Wednesday February 15th at 8:00 a.m. the autopsies are conducted in Tera Co
regarding the bodies discovered during Tuesday's search now there local law enforcement and authorities are going to
hold a meeting afterwards this is around 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday uh Sergeant Riley with the Indiana State Police
provides a brief update on the investigation he says that the autopsies are complete uh but he declines to
confirm the identities or discuss a suspect or person of interest in the case he says police have received
hundreds of tips from the community community and he advises parents to keep a close eye on their children and
monitor their whereabouts at 300 p.m. on that same day Indiana State Police and the Carroll County Sheriff's Department
hold a news conference confirming that the bodies found on Tuesday are those of Liberty and Abigail they say the case is
being investigated as a double homicide they say they don't believe that there is any immediate danger to the community
that same night at 7:00 p.m. Indiana State Police release a photo of a man reportedly walking on the trail around
the same time of the girl's disappearance now they never say that this man is a suspect they they supplied
a photo of the man and they say we would like to talk to this guy we believe we have identified everyone that was
walking in the area of the time when the girls went missing but this guy was there around that time we have not
identified him we would like to speak with him we would like to find out if he has saw anything or maybe he might know
something police say they want to talk to this individual but again not calling him a suspect how how did they get the
picture we we'll get into that on Thursday February 16th at 6: p.m. the police set up a tip line for anyone with
information regarding the case and they can call 844455 786 that tip line is still
working today they say that they've had upwards of 250 tips so far at this point
in the investigation at 7 :45 p.m. the Indiana State Police serve a search warrant in connection with the case at a
home in Deli but no arrests are made well this is not the only search that's going to take place no there's there's
several search warrants that will be issued and executed um because they they're looking for people in the area
right and we have one individual where his property the the bodies are found on his property they will conduct the
search of his property as well as his home um it was also misreported in the media that they had received multiple
search warrants for this guy's property when in fact it was other nearby properties that they were searching as
well that that people because this is a rural area the media thought that this was still a continuation of his property
which which it was not now there were several search warrants conducted as we said um and all of these none no arrests
are made at the time there there's one in particular that was that that will get to um he's not arrested regarding
crimes involving the murders or The Disappearance of these girls um but police keep reminding everyone that they
should not be creating rumors or just because somebody is questioned or someone their property is searched that
that does not mean that they are a suspect in the double homicide that there's they still have to conduct a
certain level of police activity and Sh Sheriff activity of other things that were going on before these crimes took
place well this is a lot harder to do in such a small community yeah everybody's
eyes are watching you now on Saturday February 18th there is a public visitation for the girls this is held at
the deli high school now on Sunday we're going to see a little bit of Shifting Gears here in the investigation on
Sunday February 19th the Indiana State Police say that the man photographed walking along the trail around the times
of the girl's disappearance is a suspect in their deaths they again though they do not know the identity of this man so
what I'm going to do is I'm going to post this picture on our Instagram now if you're sitting there thinking hey I
don't have Instagram it's okay go to our website at trem garage.com you'll actually see a a a page that has just
the photos from our Instagram on it and you can click on there to see the photograph of the man on the bridge on
Monday February uary 20th police say they are conducting a Statewide man hunt for the man scen in the photo and tell
everyone to continue providing information via the hotline set up for tips in this case the Carol County
prosecutor he cautions Deli residents not to harass bother or accuse anyone especially those who live at a home that
was the subject of a search warrant that was served the previous week now on Tuesday February 2 first an official
says that Deen's death could lead to security changes along the monin High Bridge Trail now this is they're going
to possibly talk about installing security cameras and things like that this is an area that uh while it was
frequented by hi hikers it's also frequented by teenagers that are just kind of hanging out and you know doing
what teenagers do now on Wednesday what's that um you'd have to ask the teenagers well you're saying something
something that's pretty telling as you were saying that hey we might be we might have to beef up Security on this
this bridge and this these hiking paths right and we got to do so by adding a camera again so how the hell did they
get a picture of this guy well that that's perfect because that leads us to what took place on Wednesday on February
22nd the investigators hold a news conference to update the status of the investigation police revealed that
Liberty Germans she recorded video and audio of the suspect that they are seeking on her cell phone the
Indiana State Police releases an audio recording of a man's voice saying down the hill do you have a copy of that that
we could hear all right so obviously that's not the best quality and it's just a loop of
a man saying down the hill down the hill and that's what the law enforce is providing to the public correct now we
should assume that that's not the only audio clip that they have that is just the clip that they decided to Loop and
give to the public yeah they're they're stating that that Liberty or Libby uh had video an audio on her phone and the
thing here is like like the captain said we don't know how much video was recorded we don't know how much audio
was recorded did she simply hit the record button on on her video and or what picture were taken either exactly
but at the same time they announced that the audio is is from the prime suspect in the deli double murder case and
authorities announced that a $41,000 reward for information leading to a to an arrest in the girls murders that that
reward has started off pretty small and it's it's growing at this point it's at 41,000 back in February 22nd let's talk
a little bit about the elephant in the room okay so did they find so I'm I'm assuming that
law enforcement found Libby's phone and that's how they'd have this information and then you'd think well if somebody
attacked these girls if this you know if it was murder then this you know guy must have been you know pretty dumb to
leave the cell phone well there um with them there have been a lot of questions about Liberty's phone you know first off
how much audio and video was recorded I have heard there is as little as 6 minutes I have also heard that there may
be more as little as 6 minutes 6 minutes is a long time it's quite a bit of time
but I've also heard that there may be more than 40 minutes recorded yeah that's that's a ridiculous amount of
time so there are reports saying that that 6 minutes of audio tape contains the horrifying record of the homicide
itself uh so if this were true the attack would have happened very quickly but we do know that there was some video
recorded right before the abduction we're assuming um this is where they got the the picture of the man walking on
the bridge uh we also know that there was some recording of of audio uh that may have you know when he's saying down
the hill what kind of instruction is that he's he's directing these girls somewhere is it to a vehicle is it to a
different location um but I'm guessing that that if I had to get you know we don't know how long her phone would have
recorded before it before it died you know but I'm guessing that that we're thinking there is more audio and more
video than just 6 minutes in my opinion but the other rumor is the question about the phone is you know where where
is this phone because at 5:30 p.m. and for several hours Liberty's phone was pinging all over town the the phone was
not in her possession during this time is what would make you think because where she disappeared is near where
she's found well you but also it's such a rural area that you'd you I would just
assume M that you know if you're in this you know you're hiking that maybe You' you'd be kind of pinging from all
different locations and how um how much validity should I put on that how much weight should I put on that M and well
and the thing here too the fascinating question about the phone is whether or not it was recovered you know there
there's a theory that Liberty's phone was not recovered and all of the audio and video was taken from the from the
iCloud the from so basically what happened was like if you record a voice memo on your phone and you have your
Cloud set up that it instantly goes to your Cloud as well right so what they're saying is you know and this is very
important I think for people to kind of wrap their head around this is something you shouldn't
spend a bunch of time on was the phone left or or was it you know or was did did the did the killer take the phone it
doesn't matter we have the information at least from the cloud right right well let's go do you mind if I go through
some options here because of you know what if it if it was not if it was not recovered um you know then the theory
would be there's only a few theories you could come up with right that Liberty got rid of her phone at some point maybe
she threw it in the woods um you know she could have thrown it in the woods to to avoid it being found by their
abductor um maybe somebody would find it later um again her phone is pinging all
over town for several hours during the search now I've been told that this would be possible if the phone were in
the woods or near the woods where the girls were abducted um that the phone pings um look it's not something that
I'm going to pretend that I fully understand so I'm just going to have to believe the person that told me that if
the phone were in the woods or near the woods it very likely could have pinged all over town um this would make sense
if the phone was in the woods but it appears now uh possibly you know who knows where this thing was the other
idea is that the killer found Liberty's cell phone uh so the killer either disposed of the phone you know threw it
in the garbage or or threw the phone in the river or destroyed it by Smashing it
to bits and that's why it's never been found um I think if the phone was not recovered the killer probably did
something with it I think throwing it in the river might make the most sense right um because he's hoping to destroy
whatever's on that phone right because the thought process here for this individual and I would just assume this
IND individual is in their mid-30s to 50 right I'm just going to put that age range out there and I would just assume
that they thought well if if let's say they saw Liberty use her phone mhm and maybe said oh well she pushed record it
this guy might not understand how the phone actually works but thinks well if I just throw it in the river it
destroyed and they'll never have the evidence right well aha we have this thing called the cloud and this is where
technology you got to applaud technology at this point right yeah yeah cuz you can have your phone set up in a manner
that it will immediately send information to the cloud well and the reason why I saying applaud technology
is these might be the clues or the evidence that you have to present in in in a trial to lock this person up for
the rest of their life MH now on Thursday February 23rd the state police they say that they've received 3,900
tips in the case with 1,900 of them coming in after the release of the audio recording and then there's another
donation this is from uh US Representative Todd uh Rita uh he donates his office donates 9,000 so now
the reward amount is now $50,000 yeah but the Indianapolis Colts they they donated some money as well
right yes yeah the the reward in this case will grow exponentially over the next couple of weeks on this same day on
February 23rd the Indiana State Police announced that the FBI has taken over the tip hotline well let's get right
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[Music] that all right we're back cheers mates cheers so we're talking about The Disappearance
and the murder of two young girls we have Liberty who is 14 years old and we have Abigail who is 13 years old and you
might often hear both of them refer to as Libby and Abby these are best friends they're dropped off near the moanin High
Park bridge and they disappear they find the bodies just the day later and announce the day after that it is in
fact the bodies of the two two young girlss now where we're at on the timeline here this brings us up to
Tuesday February 28th by this time police have received close to 10,000 tips the reward money is
now $100,000 but police are also saying despite rumors that they have not made any arrest in connection with the deaths
of Liberty and Abigail police asked the public not to jump to conclusions or to spread rumors on social media because
there was a lot of questions involving their deaths there's like the captain said earlier not a lot of information
that's being released as far as the investigation and details of such but we do have some evidence that's coming out
we're having this information that's collected from uh Liberty's phone correct and what we have so far is we
have a picture that we can assume is maybe taken from a video or a Snapchat we're not really for
sure mhm and and we have a audio clip a very small one saying down the hill looped and again we can assume that
there's more audio information on our phone again now with the phone we don't know if the phone was recovered or if
this information was recovered from the cloud mhm now on Wednesday March 1st this is when the Indianapolis Colts they
donated $97,000 to bring the reward money to $200,000 that same day the grandparents
of Abby Williams they leave a an emotional note at the police headquarters that expresses their
gratitude for those involved in the investigation and those investigating the case the we we don't need to go through
all of the donations um because for the next few days we'll we'll continue to see local companies donating money but
one thing that was interesting was we also had a donation from the Lowe's company that's the the Home Improvement
do-it-yourself store they donated 1,000 orange light bulbs to the residents of deli and they did a campaign called
light up Deli you know everybody would install these orange light bulbs on their front porch lamps to you know as a
tribute to Abby and Liberty um and I saw pictures of of that light up Deli and it
was a pretty cool memorial that the whole city was able to take part in all right so where are we add on this
timeline on March 9th Mike Patty he's the grandfather of Liberty um he will speak to the media for the first time
since the deaths of Libby and Abby he thanks the community for outpouring of support and says that he believes tips
will help solve this case well we have this individual like we said the picture and there's an interview that I heard
but by a local man and the sheriff mhm and both of them in the interview which I thought was interesting and I think is
kind of telling of where the sheriff might or where the law enforcement actually might believe they're at in
this scenario mhm they have this individual and like I said we have a very small town roughly about 3,000
people and two individuals that are on the phone the one was a local man interviewing the sheriff and both of
them stated this guy didn't recognize him and so when you released this photo the guy
that was interviewing the sheriff was like look I was hopeful that you're going to release this photo and would'
be able to identify this guy it's a small town but neither this man nor the sheriff were able to identify this
individual and like we talked about before there's tons of um well maybe we didn't talk about this before but there
was tons of billboards across the country I think in 43 States it was yeah it was it may have been all of the major
48 states but it was something yeah 43 46 some odd states that they put these Billboards up there was actually one a
few miles from my home uh there's a major road there and they had one and it has a picture of both both of the
victims as well as the the pixelated picture the grainy picture that we see of the suspect along with the phone
number in the email that you can submit these anonymous tips to which makes you wonder if law enforcement believes that
this uh individual is traveling like maybe a truck driver or or something of that nature yeah maybe he wasn't local
maybe he was somebody that fled the area after the the case went underway right so let's just dive into this photo real
quick and again I'm going to post this on uh our Instagram which will also be visible on the website if you don't have
Instagram so maybe you can take a look at this individual and maybe pick up some things that others aren't so
discussing the suspect the guy in the photo right um an expert on CNN said that they suspect that this person is
about 5' 10 180 lb with a bit of a middle-age man's stomach punch um law enforcement their latest estimate is
that the man is 40 to 50 years old now I've seen the photos in my opinion I think that seems a little young to me uh
I I look at this picture now and and mind you yes this is a grainy photo or or pixelated might be the better word to
use here but I see you know I don't think they're far off I see more like 45 to 55 years old MH I definitely see the
Ponch you know the the bit of the beer belt there well he's also bundled up with a coat and a jacket mhm yeah yeah
he he appears to be wearing layers of clothing um and this could be this could be a manner of disguising himself um but
another reason is this might have left few areas of his body exposed uh and this would be where the girls could
fight back you know they could leave scratch marks on him when they fight back and maybe his intention was to
cover up as much of himself as he could right but but regardless remember we said it was unseasonably warm that day
he is definitely overdressed for that day mhm there he he has a hat on of some nature I don't know if it's a it looks
kind of like a ball cap but it could be a tobogan uh also he has his hands in his pockets and uh it's a blue jacket
with blue jeans now yeah and so there's a and it looks like he's wearing and a hoodie under the jacket so definitely a
little over uh Dressed well and you bring up a good point there because early in this investigation amongst the
public there was quite the debate over whether the guy was wearing a hat or not or maybe if he just had a hoodie pulled
up uh covering his hair the thing here is they actually released two pictures um and in one picture to me it looks
like I'm seeing hair you know like almost like there's a part in the hair uh and this would be what is that brown
to to maybe dark brown hair yeah or maybe has some uh salt and pepper the other the other thought was that if he
was wearing a hat uh which this might go along with the theory that he was trying
to disguise himself or cover up of as much of himself as he could um that it it could be a camouflage hunting cap
with padded ear muffs you know the kind that kind of drops down over your ears on both sides and that making it hard to
tell from the distance that this picture is taken now one thing I've noticed it looks to me like some have suggested
maybe he's wearing a scarf around his neck um the way that that thing catches the the light the thing that's hanging
from his his neck in the and seen in both pictures it almost looks like it could be the corner of like some goggles
you know like the like goggles that aren't on his head but they're kind of hanging from his neck yeah I see that
Poss possibly yeah one thing I want to point out here too as we're describing this picture is there's a a man by the
name of Robert Lindsay he's a uh a writer and blogger he spent a lot of time covering this case and a lot of my
research came from some articles that he has written uh but law enforcement States that the guy could be wearing a
fanny pack um now Robert Lindsay will point out that what law enforcement is referring to as a fanny pack is actually
called a deer kit um this is something that would contain like knives scissors you know different things for cutting up
a deer after you kill it um so Robert Lindsay is going off of the theory that the guy is possibly a hunter yeah well
when you see again his hands are in his pockets and there's something on his right by his right hand side where it's
either you know a a t-shirt or something that's coming out from underneath his jacket or again like you said it's some
kind of pack fanny pack or uh some kind of hunting pack and and and not the close-up picture but the picture that's
a little bit further away it definitely looks more like some kind of fanny pack yeah and it and like Robert said it
almost looks too flat to be a traditional type fanny pack to me again we're looking at a picture that's taken
from quite some ways away um but it does look flat if it is in fact a deer kit I
would think that Robert Lindsay might be right regarding that the guy could be a
hunter because I don't think that that's something that would be common knowledge
to everybody that that such a kit even exist right and we were talking earlier and I was saying that necessarily just
because there's a a picture of this individual doesn't mean that this individual was or a possible suspect now
where I'm going to come back on that on is that we know this this picture is coming we can assume from Libby's phone
MH so therefore they have to know more about this footage than we do yeah uh and I then my argument too is like isn't
there wouldn't there be a better picture of this individual yeah um now now he's
on a bridge right mhm so the other thing that we kind of need to bring up is uh Snapchat
right so we all see teenagers always on their phone taking pictures of all these
things at some point from Libby's Snapchat she takes a picture from the bridge MH and she takes a now I'm
assuming that she's taken a picture of Abby of Abby and aby's walking it's a very interesting picture and I think you
need to take a look for yourself th this picture would have been released on her
Snapchat account I believe at 2:07 p.m. um they were dropped off at 1 this thing
came out about 2:07 p.m. so the thought is you know for at least the first hour or so of their hiking trip everything
was going according to plan everything was you know it was a normal day out hiking right and like we said there was
roughly about a 4 to 4 and 1 half um hour window so now now that we know that this is you know released about an hour
into the hike now our Windows a little bit smaller if you look at this picture that
she took on Snapchat now it's very grainy but there's uh on the bridge there's these little platforms on the
side it seems like she's standing on one of the Platforms in the background this
is something that people have talked about in the background there's something on the other side of the
tracks there's like a shadow or a dark figure dark spot on the p picture well I and I see that I'm going to try to make
mine uh the picture bigger uh because I want to I wanted to present something to you yeah I I I can
see the one that you're talking about um here and there's a few some people have made an argument
and I think maybe a decent argument that there might be a hidden object so to speak in this
picture yeah so here's what's weird is when you start researching this case a lot of people say well there's this
individual that's there I don't see that I see these like two almost like sticks
or whatever and if you really zoom in I'm I know this I'm going to have to edit thish yeah but basically what what
people are saying is that is that a man that is hiding watching Abby right but not on the bridge not the on the end of
the bridge or you were saying even possibly in the woods to the right yeah there there's speculation about both so
the dark spot you were talking about would would put would position this person if they're in fact there right
but behind these little two dark spots what I see is two headlights and a white vehicle that's what I see MH you know
now is there a dark spot 100% uh there's 100% a dark spot is it a person watching
her on the bridge I can't come to that conclusion it looks to me at that portion of the picture this would be if
you're looking at the picture of Abby at home this would be right at the start of
the bridge or maybe even just before you get to the bridge on the left side of the picture you can see what appears to
be two dark spots now the captain's saying he sees a possible vehicle behind the dark spots well yeah but there's two
dark spots so I'm not I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole but two individuals standing in front of a a
white vehicle that is certainly a possibility but that that portion of the picture itself to me looks like an area
that might create a lot of Shadows um we can see from Libby walking that uh I'm sorry Abby walking there that we can see
her Shadow to the left of her she's facing us her Shadow is to the left of her so if if there were trees or some
kind of obstruction back there just before the bridge they might be casting a shadow that that we're seeing creating
that dark spot leading to the bridge the other portion that was talked about was
to the right of this now this would not be the entrance to the bridge this would
be in the woods to the right of the entrance of the bridge there's a dark spot that appears near a tree or either
behind a tree I can definitely see the dark spot other people have pointed out that that could be a man in dark
clothing standing there um I I don't see a man at all um I it could just be I'd like to see a
photo of that's taken at the same time of day on another day you know what I mean with similar conditions to see if
there's the same kind of shadow effects or the same or even dark spots presented
yeah and again just you know take a look at it I mean maybe you can add something
to the conversation I want to stay on the photo of Abby here for a minute from the from the Instagram uh or Snapchat
and I and I hate Libby Snapchat yeah and I hate to get all you know where's Waldo
on you but it it's very interesting because there could be a clue that's hiding in
this picture here um and and another thing that people have discussed and this is not the vehicle that the captain
was referring to but is there a car in this photo or some type of vehicle that is in this photo now if you're looking
at the picture of Abby on the bridge okay and I want to be clear because there's many different versions of this
same picture some of them are cropped but if you look at one that shows her feet she's wearing some kind of tennis
shoes if you can see her feet then you might be able to see what what I'm going to point out here um the in in the lower
left corner of the photo of Abby on the bridge this would be below the bridge itself um is there a vehicle there now
no one no one knows for sure if that's a car or not in the photo many people say
that they cannot even make out a vehicle in that photo I can see a vehicle in this photo um but what I can't tell you
is is this some kind of Illusion is this the trees and such is it the background
just showing some kind of pattern that resembles a vehicle or is there actually a vehicle there now I've been told that
there is a road there that this is this road would be a very little used road and that almost no one has you know no
no one even really knows about this road they've not heard about the road it's it's quite hard to find it's hard to get
to S like our podcast it appears to have been a road that was used by workers uh
to maintain the bridge at some point um but the new rumor going around says that
law enforcement believes that the Killer's vehicle was parked at a trail head on the South Side so is it is it a
vehicle is it the suspect's vehicle we can't say for certain that it is a vehicle I personally I think I see a
vehicle there right I I actually think law enforcement is talking about the vehicle that I think I see uh we'll
actually talk about it CU there was a vehicle that kind of matches that description that was impounded recently
I we'll get to that later the other interesting thing about this is as like I said the technology we have no way of
knowing which per uh which picture was taken first mhm so you know are we getting this Snapchat picture was that
taken before uh or after the picture of the suspect I don't think that's common knowledge I have to ask you a question
because there's you you had stated you think that law enforcement might be talking about the vehicle you think you
see right and I I want to kind of back up that a little bit you might be on to something here because if in fact law
enforcement believes that the Killer's vehicle was parked at the trail head on the South Side that's where the picture
would be pointing or the camera would be pointing would be the South Side Right possibly the only the only problem with
that is I've heard that people have said that it appears that she's walking northward on the bridge that she's
walking towards the north if she were in fact walking towards the north then the
shadow of her is in the wrong place does that make any sense it should be on the
opposite side of her if she's in fact walking northward however people that are familiar with that bridge they think
that the portion of the bridge behind her is the south side yeah and I but I think I think
also depending on what camera she's using the camera would be flipping well and that's why I wanted to ask you this
question because you you know you have a better knowledge of cameras than I do you have a better know knowledge of
Snapchat than I do I've I've heard I've heard it suggested from both viewpoints that that a camera could reverse it or
SnapChat might reverse the image yeah I'm I'm not 100% let's I don't I don't know I I just know
that if you take a picture that's normally a coming you know uh the way Snapchat does it you can flip it okay
so she could have flipped it yeah so but but no what I'm saying is that if you just open it up and take a picture I
don't think it flips it let's see I'm going to take a picture of you and nope it doesn't flip it okay so so it's
possible that she's walking Southward if we if we are to believe the Shadow or if
what anybody says out there regarding Snapchat or possible the camera phone that that the image is flipped then she
is in fact walking northward and we would be seeing the south end of the bridge yeah I'm going to believe whoever
you know is more familiar with that area well that's interesting podcast you talk
about a bunch of visual stuff yeah we got all visual there but I I would I would beg to argue see can you see it in
your mind's eye I would beg to argue that by this point um with our our listeners that they've probably seen the
pictures of the man they've seen the pictures of uh of her on the bridge well most people listen on their phone so
they can kind of just listen in the podcast while they Google image this stuff mhm on Monday March 13th remember
the trail safety task force this was the one that was set up to beef up Security
in the area they meet to discuss security gaps along deli's trail system and they start making recommendations
for potential changes now on that Friday the 17th the Indiana State Police the FBI and Carroll County sheriff's
deputies they serve a search warrant at the home and property of Ron Logan who owns the property where the bodies of
Abby and Libby were found mhm in February now Logan is taken into custody earlier that week before they serve this
search warrant uh but he's taken into custody on unrelated charges so DUI charge yeah so let's discuss this a
little bit what he was on probation for DUI uh and I don't know if he's had several of them or what his history is
with this but we know he's on probation for DUI what takes place is they are aware that he's broken the the rules of
his probation he is not to be drinking and he's not to be driving well he when asked where he is that day he's he
starts telling them that he was out buying tropical fish um and that he had to drive somewhere x amount of miles
away spent a good deal of time there and returned home with these tropical fish well that puts him in in one problem
because he is not supposed to be driving right so he drove him some self somewhere and furthermore I think they
have evidence that he was actually at a bar drinking for a portion of that day as well so he's now not only has he
violated his probation Logan was getting his Day drink c yeah Not only was he violating the probation by driving by
drinking by probably drinking and driving but it also looks like he's not been very forthcoming with law
enforcement about his whereabouts or what his activities were that day well he might be so drunk he can't remember
well in in his defense now now he looks hang on here Captain I'm just I'm laughing
cuz it's it's the guy that drinks a lot coming to the defense of a guy that drinks a lot well the in his defense um
he might not be sorry he might not be fully cooperating with police because he's terrified of getting busted on
breaking his probation Char well right that into and then look let's let's be honest if if you had property more than
let's say a couple acres or or whatever property you have if if individuals are found and they were murdered they were
murdered and they found on your property you wouldn't you feel protective yourself mhm like you
know why why wouldn't you believe that you're a possible suspect from the word go yeah and and even when he wasn't
forthcoming with with police um we have seen him been been somewhat forthcoming with media you know he gave several
interviews there's there's interviews of him walking the media people around on his property yeah if you if you just uh
do a YouTube search for you know uh Deli murders a lot of the reports they'll have different individuals that live in
the area and you'll see this individual over and over yeah and we should be clear about his property right you know
it's not like it's not like my neighborhood where all the homes are on a plot of land that's about 5,000 square
ft now he's got a big sprawling property it's not like they found them right in his backyard beside his house and where
these nature trails are and where these people go hiking it's it's not always clear it wouldn't be clear to you and I
hiking through there where the hiking trails end in Ron Logan's property begins mhm Friday March 24th the
authority parties announc that the investigation into the teens's death will begin to look a little different in
the coming weeks as they begin the normalization process in this investigation I think that's kind of
them stating to us to not expect to see additional photos or video or maybe even
audio coming out within the next few weeks that they're going to it's going to be more of your traditional
investigation at this point Thursday April 27th the victims families announced plans to rebuild a sports
complex with several softball fields in honor of the girls and this fundraising event will be held on July 15th now
regarding the investigation you can see there's there's very little information that has
come out M which is which in a way is shocking because you see rarely are you ever presented with a photo of what they
are telling you is the prime suspect in a double homicide yeah but again depending on what news source you get
that from some say this is the prime suspect some people just say we believe this individual is on the trail roughly
around the same time as them mhm the my issue with it is you got to know where that they got to let you know
where that photo is coming from right because is that cuz to this day I still I'm not 100% sure that it's from her
phone well it might not it might not but but we if we go off of the announcements
and the press conferences that they have made the statements that they have made
now mind you they've been cryptic along the way but according to those statements they eventually say you know
this guy goes from somebody they want to talk to to now he's the suspect this guy
that we have the picture of he's the suspect and and furthermore they believe that the audio they provide
us of going you know down the hill down the hill that audio is of that suspect as well and that's why I think that
makes me wonder if it's a there's a video at some point yeah because then you can because then in a court of law
you can show a video and say see this is these are words are coming from this individual's mouth yeah and and and
furthermore I think what that points out is that there is additional audio and video and there's something on that
audio and video that's made law enforcement make the connection between this guy just being a picture of some
guy and him actually being the guy that most likely committed the crime now um you know again it's curious to wonder
how much of of what they have is actual video and how much of it is just audio and with so much you know little
information that's coming out like we said this is a hard one to discuss and there is a bunch of room rumors and
speculation and that's what we're going to have to get into in the next episode yeah and I think that that's the big
problem that the public is having with the investigation right now not so much the way that law enforcement is
conducting the investigation but because they saw a picture because they heard audio and they have no other answers for
other things that it's leading to those rumors and to speculations and of course
questions you know people want to know what's going on I do want to remind everybody out there that uh the
Sheriff's Office the uh indana State Police they have they continually remind us um that they they are worried that
because there's so much talk and there's so much going on in the public eye there's so much speculation that that we
might believe us being the public we might believe that they're very close to solving this case they could be they
could be but they continually remind us to not believe that we cannot think that
they're close to solving the case they still need more tips to come in they don't believe that that one tip that
they're waiting on has reached them yet and if the public believes that they've solved it or that they're seconds from
solving it maybe they never get that tip so this is a very active hot fire investigation going on right now if
anybody has tips if anybody has any information at all even even if you think it's a minute detail please
contact them and that phone number that we said earlier is still good that phone
number is 8444 59 5786 those calls are being manned by the FBI you can also send email to Abby and
Libby tip CA sf.com again that's Abby and Libby tip atca sf.com we'll put both that number and
email in the show notes in case anybody needs that information so tomorrow what we're going to get into is some of the
speculation some of the theory series some of our thoughts we actually reached out to uh some web sluther and kind of
got their got the web sluth Community involved and kind of dive into some of those theories as well and we'll get to
that on tomorrow's show and please take a second to go look at those photos to see maybe you could bring something to
the conversation again Abby and Libby were only 13 and 14 years old and you possibly can help in this case please
take a minute to do so now thanks for joining us in the garage we'll see you tomorrow and until then be good be kind
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The double murder case of two Delphi, Indiana teenagers has left the Carrol County community on edge as law enforcement search for a killer. This is the investigation into the disappearance & murders of 14 year old Liberty German and 13 year old Abigail Williams. Tips and information can be submitted anonymously to 844-459-5786 or email - AbbyandLibbyTip@CaCoShrf.com (mailto:AbbyandLibbyTip@CaCoShrf.com)

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The episode discusses the Delphi murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, detailing the investigation and community response.

Key points

The Disappearance of Liberty and Abigail. Two teenage girls go missing after being dropped off near a bridge, sparking a massive search effort.
Discovery of the Bodies. Searchers find the bodies of the missing girls, confirming fears of foul play.
Suspect Identified. Police identify a man seen near the girls' last known location as a suspect in their deaths.
Audio Evidence. Investigators reveal that Liberty recorded audio of the suspect on her cell phone.
Technological Evidence. Authorities discuss the potential evidence from Liberty's phone and the cloud.
Reward Amount Grows. The reward for information leading to an arrest has increased to $50,000.

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