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[Music] and this is the case of the Delphi murders [Music] foreign [Music] ly 24 hours of course since they were
reported missing 13 year olds Liberty German Abigail Williams last seen around one o'clock Monday afternoon near the
Monon high bridge that abandoned rail Bridge just outside of Delphi and the News 18's Brad oppenheim joins us now
live from Carroll County where that surge continues at this hour Brad Jeff like you said Liberty German and
Abigail Williams were last seen yesterday afternoon when they were dropped off near that bridge now they
had made arrangements to be picked up by family members later that afternoon but
they never showed up now a staging area has been set up at the Delphi fire department and since I've been here I've
seen hundreds of people come in and out of this staging area we are told that volunteers will be sent out in groups
where they will comb the area in efforts to find these two girls I was able to actually catch up with
Abigail Williams mother Anna Williams and she says she is Amazed by the outpouring of support from the community
I also spoke with the Carroll County Sheriff toe blessingby and he says they are working with officials on getting an
Amber Alert issued just in the last couple hours I have been at the staging area I've seen and spoke from volunteers
that don't even live in Carroll County including one man from West Lafayette who came over and joined the search he
said he has a teenage daughter himself and wanted to do what he could to make sure those girls make it home safe
safe [Music] well as you heard in the trailer there we have two missing girls and this is a
very popular case right now it's it's on the news maybe you've seen the Billboards but in Delphi Indiana there's
been a homicide there's been two homicides of teenage girls and they went missing on Monday February
13th later that week the bodies are found its rule to homicide and they're looking for the guy or killers that
committed these crimes now the thing here is this is actually very different from what we would normally cover and I
know it doesn't sound so different right away but when I say February 13th I mean
February 13 2017 usually we don't cover cases this recent this is a very not just ongoing investigation like we see
in a lot of the cold cases that we've covered but this is an investigation that is is very hot right now it's it's
heated up there's a massive Nationwide search for a suspect and there's a couple things that become pretty
difficult for us to produce the show about this case one law enforcement's keeping a lot of things close to their
vest um that way when they do have a suspect that they can charge they'll be more
likely that they can actually get a convey addiction so I think that's smart on law enforcement but it's hard to
produce a show right um talking about this case the other thing is their so there's not a lot of evidence out there
there's a bunch of weird speculation um and there is nobody arrested yet correct and this was a case that we were
getting requests from all over the country to cover this thing late February and this is relatively close to
us uh probably the biggest case in Midwest right now yeah and we kept talking about covering it because this
is something we're incredibly passionate about as the captain said we're close to
where this took place this is an ongoing investigation that we've been keeping up
with in the news and trying to keep track of ourselves the problem was we weren't really equipped to cover it in
late February there wasn't a whole lot of information out there now we sit here in in May and maybe there's not that
much more information that's been released since then but we we feel an obligation to cover it at this time
they're they're hunting this guy I believe they can find him and we'd like to do our part yeah and our part is just
to you know shed some light on this case put it in the put it on the desk of some
armchair detectives talk about the timeline talk about some theories maybe some suspects maybe somebody out there
could add some value to the case well let's start off with the timeline regarding The Disappearance and
investigation regarding the murders of young Liberty and Abigail to provide you with a little bit of background so this
all starts on Monday of February 13th this is the Carroll County Schools they only have a half day of school scheduled
for this day so only classes for the first half of the day because the rest of the day they've scheduled some
teacher conferences and staff meetings at 1 pm a family member drops off the girls at a trail near the monin bridge
now this is an abandoned railroad bridge over Deer Creek around 5 30 p.m the girls fail to show up at a predetermined
location to be picked up by a family member the family looks for the girl searching the immediate area when they
turn up nothing the girls are then reported missing so almost immediately these two young girls are reported
missing that night a large search effort involving volunteers and multiple law enforcement agencies well that's
underway they scoured the area in an attempt to find Liberty in Abigail the search is then called off due to
Darkness and that's not none of this is too weird at first right I mean we've all been dropped off by a you know a
parent maybe you and your friend are going to go to the mall maybe you're going to see a movie your parents are
going to drop you off and we're going to meet meet up at this time now before the
age of cell phones you know that would be way different because you couldn't text if there was a
um you know a [ __ ] in the snafu yeah so this is pretty simple though but we have
a gap of roughly four and a half hours yeah the girls were going to go out and enjoy the weather that day was
unseasonably warm form for February in Indiana and they were going to go out hiking for a while they're supposed to
be picked up at 5 30 p.m they're nowhere to be found so around midnight that night the Carroll County Sheriff this is
Tobe Lazenby he says uh that they are going to call off the search you know it's getting very dark out at that time
they they had no reason to expect or suspect Foul Play or believe that the girls were in any immediate danger now
their biggest concern at this point would be exposure to the elements because it is a February night and even
though the day was quite warm it's going to get quite cold that night and the girls were hiking just outside the town
of Delphi which has a very small population of three thousand smaller community and even though that the
search was called off around midnight now some Searchers lingered and it's believed that they were still searching
the area until about 2 30 that morning now Tuesday February 14th early Tuesday morning the search resume resumes with
with teams of volunteers they have police officers the effort also includes canine units and dive teams around noon
Searchers find two bodies this is about a half mile to three quarters of a mile away from the bridge that they were they
were walking on that they were dropped off nearby right so let's just keep this clear they're dropped off on Monday at
roughly about 1 pm to go hiking people search Monday night they can't find anybody they don't find the girls they
come back Tuesday and roughly in the afternoon they find the bodies of the two girls yeah it's right around noon on
that Tuesday now at 2 p.m this is a news conference takes place this is all the authorities involved you have the
Carroll County Sheriff you have the city of Delphi police chief and an Indiana State Police official they announced the
discovery of the bodies but they give no indication of their identities they say
for the first time that Foul Play is suspected in connection with the case when pushed by media as to why Foul Play
is expected a public relations officer simply says they suspect Foul Play because the way the bodies were found
meaning just immediate obvious signs of of Foul Play to those people that found the bodies right and they're not
releasing if there was any trauma what kind of wounds there were right there were if there were any wounds if
there was any sign of strangulation or anything they're not releasing any of that there's no specifics now I believe
it was firefighters that may have found the bodies and even though the sheriff and the state police do not immediately
identify the found bodies I believe when the firefighters radioed this in they said we found the missing girls and it's
not good at 4 pm on Tuesday Delphi Community schools superintendent Gregory briles
releases a statement saying that the bodies found in the afternoon are those of the two missing Delphi Community
Middle School students and despite no confirmation from police he's stating that it's the two girls we were looking
for briles says that a grief counselor will be made available to students and staff and he later says that school
security will be stepped up and all of the after-school activities at Delphi Community Middle will be canceled for
the remainder of the week and a local Methodist Church is going to hold a candlelight visual again at this point
law enforcement is not making the statements or the claims that these are the missing girls correct because on
Wednesday February 15th at 8 A.M the autopsies are conducted in Terre Haute regarding the bodies discovered during
Tuesday's search now their local law enforcement and authorities are going to hold a meeting after afterwards this is
around 10 a.m on Wednesday Sergeant Riley with the Indiana State Police provides a brief update on the
investigation he says that the autopsies are complete but he declines to confirm
the identities or discuss a suspect or person of interest in the case he says police have received hundreds of tips
from the community and he advises parents to keep a close eye on their children and monitor their whereabouts
at 3 pm on that same day Indiana State Police and the Carroll County Sheriff's Department hold a news conference
confirming that the bodies found on Tuesday are those of Liberty and Abigail they say the case is being investigated
as a double homicide they say they don't believe that there is any immediate danger to the community that same night
is 7 PM Indiana State Police release a photo of a man reportedly walking on the trail around the same time of the girl's
disappearance now they never say that this man is a suspect they they supplied a photo of the man and they say we would
like to talk to this guy we believe we have identified everyone that was walking in the area of the time when the
girls went missing but this guy was there around that time we have not identified him we would like to speak
with him we would like to find out if he has saw anything or maybe he might know
something police say they want to talk to this individual but again not calling him assessment how did they get the
picture we'll get into that on Thursday February 16th at 6 PM the police set up a tip line for anyone with information
regarding the case and they can call 844-459-5786 that tip line is still working today they say that they've had
upwards of 250 tips so far at this point in the investigation at 7 45 PM the Indiana State Police serve a search
warrant in connection with the case at a home in Delphi but no arrests are made well this is not the only search that's
going to take place no there's there's several search warrants that will be issued and executed because they're
looking for people in the area right and we have one individual where his property the the bodies are found on his
property they will conduct the search of his property as well as his home it was
also misreported in the media that they had received multiple search warrants for this guy's property when in fact it
was other nearby properties that they were searching as well that people because this is a rural area the media
thought that this was still a continuation of his property which which it was not now there were several search
warrants conducted as we said um and all of these none no arrests are made at the time there's one in
particular that was that we'll get to he's not arrested regarding crimes involving the murders or The
Disappearance of these girls but police keep reminding everyone that they should
not be creating rumors or just because somebody is questioned or someone in their property has searched that that
does not mean that they are a suspect in the double homicide that there's they still have to conduct a certain level of
police activity and Sheriff activity of other things that were going on before these crimes took place well this is a
lot harder to do in such a small community yeah everybody's eyes are watching you now on Saturday February
18th there is a public visitation for the girls this is held at the Delphi High School now on Sunday we're going to
see a little bit of Shifting Gears here in the investigation on Sunday February 19th the Indiana State Police say that
the man photographed walking along the trail around the times of the girl's disappearance is a suspect in their
deaths they again though they do not know the identity of this man so what I'm going to do is I'm going to post
this picture on our Instagram now if you're sitting there thinking hey I don't have Instagram it's okay go to our
website at truecrimegarage.com and you'll actually see a a page that has just the photos from our Instagram on it
and you can click on there to see the photograph of the man on the bridge on Monday February 20th police say they are
conducting a Statewide Manhunt for the man seen in the photo and tell everyone to continue providing information via
the hotline set up for tips in this case the Carroll County prosecutor he cautions Delphi residents not to harass
bother or accuse anyone especially those who live at a home that was the subject
of a search warrant that was served the previous week now on Tuesday February 21st an official says that the teen's
death could lead to security changes along the monin High Bridge Trail now this is they're going to possibly talk
about installing security cameras and things like that this is an area that while it was frequented by hikers it's
also frequented by teenagers that are just kind of hanging out and you know doing what teenagers do now on Wednesday
what's that um you'd have to ask the teenagers one you're saying something that's pretty
telling as you were saying that but hey we might be we might have to beef up Security on this this bridge and this
these hiking paths right and we got to do so by adding a camera again so how the hell did they get a
picture of this guy well that that's perfect because that leads us to what took place on Wednesday on February 22nd
the investigators hold a news conference to update the status of the investigation police revealed that
Liberty Germans she recorded video and audio of the suspect that they are seeking on her cell phone the Indiana
State Police releases an audio recording of a man's voice saying down the hill do
you have a copy of that that we could hear yeah yeah all right so obviously that's not the
best quality and it's just a loop of a man saying down the hill down the hill and that's what the law enforcement is
providing to the public correct now we should assume that that's not the only audio clip that they have that is just
the clip that they decided to Loop and give to the public yeah they're they're stating that that Liberty or Libby uh
had video and audio on her phone and the thing here is like like the captain said
we don't know how much video was recorded we don't know how much audio was recorded did she simply hit the
record button on on her video or what pictures were taken either exactly but at the same time they announced that the
audio is is from the prime suspect in the Delphi double murder case and authorities announced that a forty one
thousand dollar reward for information leading to a to an arrest in the girls murders that that reward has started off
pretty small and it's it's growing at this point it's at 41 000 back in February 22nd well let's talk a little
bit about the elephant in the room okay so did they find so I'm I'm assuming that
law enforcement found Libby's phone and that's how they'd have this information and then you'd think well if somebody
attacked these girls if this you know if it was murder then this you know guy must have been you know pretty dumb to
leave the cell phone well they're with them there have been a lot of questions about Liberty's phone you know first off
how much audio and video was recorded I have heard there is as little as six minutes I have also heard that there may
be as little as six minutes six minutes is a long time it's quite a bit of time but I've also heard that there may be
more than 40 minutes recorded yeah that's that's a ridiculous amount of time so there are reports saying that
that six minutes of audio tape contains the horrifying record of the homicide itself uh so if this were true the
attack would have happened very quickly but we do know that there was some video
recorded right before the abduction we're assuming this this is where they got the the picture of the man walking
on the bridge we also know that there was some recording of of audio uh that may have you know when he's saying down
the hill what kind of instruction is that he's he's directing these girls somewhere is it to a vehicle is it to a
different location um but I'm guessing that that if I had to get you know we don't know
how long her phone would have recorded before it before it died you know but I'm guessing that that we're thinking
there is more audio and more video than just six minutes in my opinion but the other rumor is the question about the
phone is you know where where is this phone because at 5 30 pm and for several hours Liberty's phone was pinging all
over town the the phone was not in her possession during this time is what would make you think because where she
disappeared is near where she's found well you but also it's such a rural area that you'd you'd I would just assume
that you know if you're in this you know you're hiking that maybe you'd you'd be
kind of pinging from all different locations and how um how much validity should I put on that
how much weight should I put on that and well and the thing here too the fascinating question about the phone is
whether or not it was recovered you know there's there's a theory that Liberty's
phone was not recovered and all of the audio and video was taken from the from the iCloud that from right so so
basically what happened was like if you record a voice memo on your phone and you have your Cloud set up that it
instantly goes to your Cloud as well right so what they're saying is you know and this is very important I think for
people to kind of wrap their head around this is something you shouldn't spend a
bunch of time on was the phone left or was it you know or what did did the did the killer take the phone it doesn't
matter we have the information at least from the cloud right right well let's go
do you mind if I go through some options here because of you know what if if it was not if it was not recovered
um you know then the theory would be there's only a few theories you could come up with right that Liberty got rid
of her phone at some point maybe she threw it in the woods um you know she could have thrown it in
the woods to to avoid it being found by their abductor um maybe somebody would find it later
um again her phone is pinging all over town for several hours during the search now I've been told that this would be
possible if the phone were in the woods or near the woods where the girls were abducted that the phone pings
um look it's not something thing that I'm going to pretend that I fully understand so I'm just going to have to
believe the person that told me that if the phone were in the woods or near the woods it very likely could have pinged
all over town this would make sense if the phone was in the woods but it appears now uh possibly
you know who knows where this thing was the other idea is that the killer found Liberty's cell phone so the killer
either disposed of the phone you know threw it in the garbage or through the phone in the river or destroyed it by
Smashing it to bits and that's why it's never been found I think if the phone was not recovered
the killer probably did something with it I think throwing it in the river might make the most sense right um
because he's hoping like I said destroy whatever's on that phone right because the thought process here
for this individual and I would just assume this and individuals in their mid-30s to 50 right I'm just going to
put that age range out there and I would just assume that they thought well if let's say they saw Liberty used her
phone and maybe said oh well she pushed recorded this guy might not understand how the phone actually works but thinks
well if I just throw it in the river it destroyed and they'll never have that evidence right well aha we have this
thing called the cloud and this is where technology you got to applaud technology at this point right
yeah yeah because you can have your phone set up in a manner that it will immediately send information to the
cloud well and the reason why I was saying applaud technology is these might be the clues or the evidence that you
have to present in in a trial to lock this person up for the rest of their life now on Thursday February 23rd the
state police they say that they've received 3 900 tips in the case with 1 900 of them coming in after the release
of the audio recording and then there's another donation this is from U.S representative Todd rokita he donates
his office donates nine thousand so now the reward amount is now fifty thousand dollars yeah but the Indianapolis Colts
they they donated some money as well right yes yeah the the reward in this case will grow exponentially over the
next couple of weeks on this same day on February 23rd the Indiana State Police announced that the FBI has taken over
the tip hotline well let's get right back to this case after this quick beer break
[Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers so we're talking about The Disappearance
in the murder of two young girls we have Liberty who is 14 years old and we have
Abigail who is 13 years old and you might often hear both of them refer to as Libby and Abby these are best friends
they're dropped off near the monin High Park bridge and they disappear they find
the bodies just the day later and announce the day after that it is in fact the bodies of the two young girls
now where we're at on the timeline here this brings us up to Tuesday February 28th
by this time police have received close to 10 000 tips the reward money is now a
hundred thousand dollars but police are also saying despite rumors that they have not made any arrest in connection
with the deaths of Liberty and Abigail police asked the public not to jump to conclusions or to spread rumors on
social media because there was a lot of questions involving their deaths there's
like the captain had said earlier not a lot of information that's being released
as far as the investigation and details of such but we do have some evidence that's coming out we're having this
information that's collected from Liberty's phone correct and what we have so far is we have a picture that we can
assume is maybe taken from a video or or a Snapchat we're not really for sure and we have an audio clip a very
small one saying down the hill looped and again we can assume that there's more audio information on our phone
again now with the phone we don't know if the phone was recovered or if this information was recovered from the cloud
now on Wednesday March 1st this is when the Indianapolis Colts they donated ninety seven thousand dollars to bring
the reward money to two hundred thousand dollars that same day the grandparents of Abby Williams they leave a an
emotional note at the police headquarters that it expresses their gratitude for those involved in the
investigation and those investigating the case the we we don't need to go through all
of the donations um because for the next few days we'll we'll continue to see local companies
donating money but one thing that was interesting was we also had a donation from the Lowe's company that's the the
Home Improvement do-it-yourself store they donated 1 000 orange light bulbs to the residents of Delphi and they did a
campaign called light up Delphi you know everybody would install these orange light bulbs on their front porch lamps
to you know as a tribute to Abby and Liberty and I saw pictures of of that light up Delphi and it was a pretty cool
memorial that the whole city was able to take part in all right so where are we at on this timeline on March 9th Mike
Patty he's the grandfather of Liberty um he will speak to the media for the first time since the deaths of Libby and
Abby he thanks the community for outpouring of support and says that he believes tips will help solve this case
well we have this individual like we said the picture and there's an interview that I heard by a local man
and the sheriff and both of them in the interview which I thought was interesting and I think is kind of
telling of where the sheriff might you know or where the law enforcement actually might believe they're at in
this scenario they have this individual and like I said we have a very small town roughly about 3 000 people
and two individuals that are on the phone that one was a local man interviewing the sheriff and both of
them stated this guy didn't recognize him and so when you release this photo the guy that
was interviewing the sheriff was like look I was hopeful that you're going to release this photo and would be able to
identify this guy it's a small town but neither this man nor the sheriff were able to identify this individual and
like we talked about before there's tons of um well maybe we didn't talk about this
before but there was tons of billboards across the country I think in 43 States it was yeah it was it may have been all
of the major 48 states but it was something yeah 43 46 some odd states that they put these Billboards up there
was actually one a few miles from my home there's a major road there and they had one and it has a picture of both of
the victims as well as the the pixelated picture the grainy picture that we see of the suspect along with the phone
number in the email that you can submit these anonymous tips to which makes you wonder if law enforcement believes that
this individual is traveling like maybe a truck driver or something of that nature yeah maybe he wasn't
local maybe he was somebody that fled the area after the the case went underway all right so let's just dive
into this photo real quick and again I'm going to post this on uh our Instagram which will also be visible on the
website if you don't have Instagram so maybe you can take a look at this individual and maybe pick up some things
that others aren't so discussing the suspect the guy in the photo right um an expert on CNN said that they
suspect that this person is about five foot ten 180 pounds with a bit of a middle-aged man's stomach punch
law enforcement their latest estimate is that the man is 40 to 50 years old now I've seen the photos in my opinion I I
think that seems a little young to me I I look at this picture now and and mind you yes this is a grainy photo or
pixelated might be the better word to use here but I see you know I don't think they're far off I see more like 45
to 55 years old I definitely see the punch you know the the bit of the beer belly there well he's also bundled up
with a coat and a jacket yeah yeah he he appears to be wearing layers of clothing
um and this could be this could be a manner of disguising himself but another reason is this might have left few areas
of his body exposed uh and this would be where the girls could fight back you know they could leave scratch marks on
him when they fight back and maybe his intention was to cover up as much of himself as he could right but but
regardless remember we said it was unseasonably worn that day he is definitely overdressed for that day
there he has a hat on of some nature I don't know if it's uh it looks kind of like a ball cap but it could be the
toboggan uh also he has his hands in his pockets and uh it's a blue jacket with blue jeans now and so there's a and it
looks like he's wearing a hoodie under the jacket so definitely a little over uh Dressed well and you bring up a good
point there because early in this investigation amongst the public there was quite the debate over whether the
guy was wearing a hat or not or maybe if he just had a hoodie pulled up uh covering his hair the thing here is they
actually released two pictures um and in one picture to me it looks like I'm seeing hair you know like
almost like there's a part in the hair and this would be what is that brown to to maybe dark brown hair yeah or maybe
has some uh salt and pepper the other the other thought was that if he was wearing a hat uh which this might go
along with the theory that he was trying to disguise himself or cover up of as much of himself as he could
that it could be a camouflage hunting cap with padded ear muffs you know the kind that kind of drops down over your
ears on both sides and that making it hard to tell from the distance that this picture is taken now one thing I've
noticed it looks to me like some have suggested maybe he's wearing a scarf around his neck
the way that that thing catches the the light the thing that's hanging from his his neck in the inseen in both pictures
it almost looks like it could be the corner of like some goggles you know like the like goggles that aren't on his
head but they're kind of hanging from his neck yeah I see that possum possibly yeah one
thing I want to point out here too as we're describing this picture is there's a man by the name of Robert Lindsay he's
a uh a writer and blogger he spent a lot of time covering this case in a lot of my research came from some articles that
he has written uh but law enforcement states that the guy could be wearing a fanny pack
um now Robert Lindsay will point out that what law enforcement is referring to as a fanny pack is actually called a
deer kit this is something that would contain like knives scissors you know different things for cutting up a deer
after you kill it so Robert Lindsay is going off of the theory that the guy is possibly a hunter yeah well when you see
again his hands are in his pockets and there's something on his right by his right hand side where it's either you
know a t-shirt or something that's coming out from underneath his jacket or again like you said it's some kind of
pack fanny pack or uh some kind of hunting pack and and and not the close-up picture but the picture that's
a little bit further away it definitely looks more like some kind of fanny pack yeah and like Robert says it almost
looks too flat to be a traditional type fanny pack to me again we're looking at a picture that's taken from quite some
ways away but it does look flat if it is in fact a deer kit I would think that Robert
Lindsay might be right regarding that the guy could be a hunter because I don't think that that's something that
would be common knowledge to everybody that that such a kit even exists right and we were talking earlier and I was
saying that necessarily just because there's a picture of this individual doesn't mean that this individual was or
a possible suspect now where I'm going to come back on that on is that you know this this picture is
coming we can assume from Libby's phone so therefore they have to know more about this footage than we do yeah uh
and I then my argument too is like isn't there wouldn't there be a better picture
of this individual yeah now now he's on a bridge right so the other thing that we kind of need to bring up is uh
Snapchat right so we all see teenagers always on their phone taking pictures of all these things
at some point from Libby's Snapchat she takes a picture from the bridge and she takes a now I'm assuming that she's
taking a picture of Abby of Abby and Abby's walking it's a very interesting picture and I
think you need to take a look for yourself this picture would have been released on her Snapchat account I
believe at 207 p.m um they were dropped off at one this thing came out about 207 p.m so the
thought is you know for at least the first hour or so of their hiking trip everything was going according to plan
everything was you know it was a normal day out hiking right and like we said there's roughly about four to four and a
half hour window so now now that we know that this is you know released about an
hour into the hike now our Windows a little bit smaller if you look at this picture that she
took on Snapchat now it's very grainy but there's uh on the bridge there's these little platforms on the side it
seems like she's standing on one of the platforms and the background this is something
that people have talked about in the background there's something on the other side of the tracks there's
like a shadow or a dark figure dark spot on the picture well I and I see that I'm going to try to make
mine uh the picture bigger because I want to I wanted to present something to you yeah I I can see the
one that you're talking about um here and there's a few some people have made an argument and I
think maybe a decent argument that there might be a hidden object so to speak in
this picture yeah so here's what's weird is when you start researching this case a lot of
people say well there's this individual that's there I don't see that I see these like two
almost like sticks or whatever and if you really zoom in I know this I'm gonna have to edit this yeah but basically
what people are saying is that is that a man that is hiding watching Abby right but not on the bridge not the on the end
of the bridge or you were saying even possibly in the woods to the right yeah there's speculation about both so the
dark spot you were talking about would would put would position this person if they're in fact there right but behind
these little two dark spots what I see is two headlights and a white vehicle that's what I see you know now is there
a dark spot 100 uh there's 100 a dark spot is it a person watching her on the bridge I can't
come to that conclusion it looks to me at that portion of the picture this would be if you're looking at the
picture of Abby at home this would be right at the start of the bridge or maybe even just before you get to the
bridge on the left side of the picture you can see what appears to be two dark spots now the captain's saying he sees a
possible vehicle behind the dark spots well yeah but there's two dark spots so I'm not I don't want to go too far down
this rabbit hole but two individuals standing in front of a white vehicle that is certainly a possibility but that
that portion of the picture itself to me looks like an area that might create a lot of Shadows we can see from Libby
walking that uh I'm sorry Abby walking there that we can see her Shadow to the left of her she's facing us her Shadows
to the left of her so if if there were trees or some kind of obstruction back there just before the bridge they might
be casting a shadow that that we're seeing creating that dark spot leading to the bridge
the other portion that was talked about was to the right of this now this would not be the entrance to the bridge this
would be in the woods to the right of the entrance of the bridge there's a dark spot that appears near a tree or
either behind a tree I can definitely see the dark spot other people have pointed out that that could be a man in
dark clothing standing there um I I don't see a man at all um I it could just be I'd like to see a
photo uh that's taken at the same time of day on another day you know what I mean with
similar conditions to see if there's the same kind of shadow effects are the same
or even dark spots presented yeah and again just you know take a look at it I mean maybe you can add something to the
conversation I want to stay on the photo of Abby here for a minute from the from
the Instagram uh or Snapchat and I hate this is Libby's Snapchat yeah and I hate
to get all you know where's Waldo on you but it's very interesting because there
could be a clue that's hiding in this picture here um and and another thing that people have discussed and this is
not the vehicle that the captain was referring to but is there a car in this photo or some type of vehicle that is in
this photo now if you're looking at the picture of Abby on the bridge okay and I
want to be clear because you there's many different versions of this same picture some of them are cropped but if
you look at one that shows her feet she's wearing some kind of tennis shoes if you can see her her feet then you
might be able to see what what I'm going to point out here that in the lower left
corner of the photo of Abby on the bridge this would be below the bridge itself is there a vehicle there now no one no
one knows for sure if that's a car or not in the photo many people say that they cannot even make out a vehicle in
that photo I can see a vehicle in this photo but what I can't tell you is is this some kind of Illusion is this the
trees and such is it the background just showing some kind of pattern that resembles a vehicle or is there actually
a vehicle there now I've been told that there is a road there that this is this road would be a very little used road
and then almost no one has you know no one even really knows about this road they've not heard about the road it's
quite hard to find it's hard to get to like our podcast it appears to have been a road that was used by workers to
maintain the bridge at some point but the new rumor going around says that law enforcement believes that the Killer's
vehicle was parked at a Trailhead on the South Side so is it is it a vehicle is it the suspect's vehicle we can't say
for certain that it is a vehicle I personally I think I see a vehicle there right I I actually think law enforcement
is talking about the vehicle that I think I see we'll actually talk about it because there was a vehicle that kind of
matches that description that was impounded recently I will get to that later the other interesting thing about
this is as like I said the technology we have no way of knowing which per uh which picture was taken first so you
know are we getting this Snapchat picture was that taken before uh or after the picture of the suspect
I don't think that's common knowledge I have to ask you a question because there's you you had stated you think
that law enforcement might be talking about the vehicle you think you see right and I I want to kind of back up
that a little bit you might be on to something here because if in fact law enforcement believes that the Killer's
vehicle was parked at the trailhead on the South Side that's where the picture would be pointing or the camera would be
pointing would be the South Side Right possibly the only the only problem with that is I've heard that people have said
that it appears that she's walking northward on the bridge she's walking towards the north if she were in fact
walking towards the north then the shadow of her is in the wrong place does that make any sense it should be on the
opposite side of her if she's in fact walking northward however people that are familiar with that bridge they think
that the portion of the bridge behind her is the south side yeah but I think also
depending on what cameras she's using the camera would be flipping well and that's why I wanted to ask you this
question because you you know you have a better knowledge of cameras than I do you have a better knowledge of Snapchat
than I do I've I've heard I've heard it suggested from both viewpoints that that
a camera could reverse it or SnapChat might reverse the image yeah I'm I'm not a hundred percent let's
I don't I don't know I just I just know that if you take a picture that's normally a coming
you know uh the way Snapchat does it you can flip it okay so she could have flipped it yeah so but
but no what I'm saying is that if you just open it up and take a picture I don't think it flips it let's see I'm
gonna take a picture of you and I hope it doesn't flip it Okay so so it's possible that she's walking
Southward if we if we are to believe the Shadow or if what anybody says out there
regarding Snapchat or possible the camera phone that that the image is flipped then she is in fact walking
northward and we would be seeing the south end of the bridge yeah I'm going to believe whoever you know is more
familiar with that area well that's an interesting podcast you know talk about a bunch of visuals yeah we got all
visual there but I I would I would beg to argue can you see it in your mind's eye I would beg to argue that by this
point um with our our listeners that they've probably seen the pictures of the man
they've seen the pictures of uh of her on the bridge on most people listen on their phone so they can kind of just
listen to the podcast why they Google image this stuff on Monday March 13th remember the trail safety task force
this was the one that was set up to beef up Security in the area the they meet to
discuss security gaps along delphi's trail system and they start making recommendations for potential changes
now on that Friday the 17th the Indiana State Police the FBI and Carroll County sheriff's deputies they serve a search
warrant at the home and property of Ron Logan who owns the property where the bodies of Abby and Libby were found
in February now Logan is taken into custody earlier that week before they serve the search warrant but he's taken
into custody on unrelated charges so that's the UI charge yeah so let's discuss this a little bit he was on
probation for DUI uh and I don't know if he's had several of them or what his history is with this but we know he's on
probation for DUI what takes place is they are aware that he's broken the the rules of his
probation he is not to be drinking and he's not to be driving well he when asked where he is that day
he's he starts telling them that he was out buying tropical fish um and that he had to drive somewhere x
amount of miles away he spent a good deal of time there and returned home with these tropical fish well that puts
him in in one problem because he is not supposed to be driving right so he drove
him some self somewhere and furthermore I think they have evidence that he was actually at a bar drinking for a portion
of that day as well so he's now not only has he violated his probation Logan was
getting his Day drink home yeah Not only was he violating the probation by driving by drinking by probably drinking
and driving but it also looks like he's not been very forthcoming with law enforcement about his whereabouts or
what his activities were that day well he might be so drunk he can't remember well you know in in his defense now now
now he looks hang on here Captain I'm just I'm laughing because it's the guy that drinks a lot coming to
the defense of a guy that drinks a lot well the in his defense um he might not be sorry he might not be
fully cooperating with police because he's terrified of getting busted on breaking his probation charge whoa right
then and two and then uh look let's let's be honest if if you had property more than let's say a couple acres or or
whatever property you have if if individuals are found and they were murdered they were murdered and they
were found on your property you wouldn't you feel protective yourself like you know
why wouldn't you believe that you're a possible suspect from the word go yeah and and even when he wasn't forthcoming
with police um we have seen him been been somewhat forthcoming with media you know he gave
several interviews there's there's interviews of him walking the media people around on his property yeah if
you if you just uh to a YouTube search for you know uh Delphi murders a lot of the reports they'll have different
individuals that live in the area and you'll see this individual over and over yeah and we should be clear about his
property right you know it's not like us it's not like my neighborhood where all
the homes are on a plot of land that's about 5 000 square feet now he's got a big sprawling property it's not like
they found them right in his backyard right beside his house and where these nature trails are and where these people
go hiking it's it's not always clear it wouldn't be clear to you and I hiking through there where the hiking trails
and in Ron Logan's property begins Friday March 24th the authorities announced that the investigation into
the teen's death will begin to look a little different in the coming weeks as they begin the normalization process in
this investigation I think that's kind of them stating to us to not expect to see additional photos or video or maybe
even audio coming out within the next few weeks that they're gonna it's gonna be more of your traditional
investigation at this point Thursday April 27th the victim's families announced plans to rebuild a
sports complex with several softball fields in honor of the girls and this fundraising event will be held on July
15th now regarding the investigation you can see there's there's very little information that has come out which is
which in a way is shocking because you see rarely are you ever presented with a photo of what they are telling you is
the prime suspect in a double homicide yeah but again depending on what news source you get that from some say this
is the prime suspect some people just say we believe this individual was on the trail roughly around the same time
as them my issue with it is you got to know where that they gotta let you know where that photo
is coming from right because is that because to this day I still I'm not 100 sure that it's coming from her phone
well it might not it might not but but we if we go off of the announcements and the press conferences that they have
made the statements that they have made now mind you they've been cryptic along the way but according to those
statements they eventually say you know this guy goes from somebody they want to
talk to to now he's the suspect this guy that we have the picture of he's the suspect and and furthermore they believe
that the audio they provided of us of going you know down the hill down the hill that audio individual is of that
suspect as well and that's why I think that makes me wonder if it's there's a video at some point yeah because then
you can because then in a court of law you can show a video and say see this is these are words are coming from this
individual's mouth yeah and and furthermore I think what that points out is that there is additional audio and
video and there's something on that audio and video that's making law enforcement make the connection between
this guy just being a picture of some guy and him actually being the guy that most likely committed the crime now
um you know again it's curious to wonder how much of of what they have is actual
video and how much of it is just audio and with so much you know little information that's coming out like we
said this is a hard one to discuss and there is a bunch of rumors and speculation and that's what we're gonna
have to get into in the next episode yeah and I think that that's the big problem that the public is having with
the investigation right now not so much the way that law enforcement is conducting the investigation but because
they saw a picture because they heard audio and they have no other answers for other things that it's leading to those
rumors into speculations and of course questions you know people want to know what's going on I do want to remind
everybody out there that the Sheriff's Office the uh Indiana State Police they have they continually remind us
um that they they are worried that because there's so much talk and there's so much going on in the public eye
there's so much speculation that that we might believe us being the public we might believe that they're very close to
solving this case they could be they could be but they continually remind us to not believe that we cannot think that
they're close to solving the case they still need more tips to come in they don't believe that that one tip that
they're waiting on has reached them yet and if the public believes that they've solved it or that their seconds from
solving it maybe they never get that tip so this is a very active hot fire investigation going on right now if
anybody has tips if anybody has any information at all even even if you think it's a new detail please contact
them and that phone number that we said earlier is still good that phone number is
844-459-5786 those calls are being manned by the FBI you can also send email to Abby and Libby tip at caco
shrf.com again that's Abby and Libby tip at c-a-c-o-s-h-r-f.com we'll put both that
number and email in the show notes in case anybody needs that information so tomorrow what we're going to get into is
some of the speculation some of the theories some of our thoughts we actually reached out to uh some web
sleuthers and kind of got there got the web sleuth Community involved and kind of dive into some of those theories as
well and we'll get to that on tomorrow's show and please take a second to go look
at those photos to see maybe you can bring something to the conversation again Abby and Libby were only 13 and 14
years old and you possibly can help in this case please take a minute to do so now thanks for joining us in the garage
we'll see you tomorrow and until then be good be kind and don't litter thank you
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The double murder case of two Delphi, Indiana teenagers has left the Carrol County community on edge as law enforcement search for a killer. This is the investigation into the disappearance & murders of 14 year old Liberty German and 13 year old Abigail Williams. Tips and information can be submitted anonymously to 844-459-5786 or email - AbbyandLibbyTip@CaCoShrf.com

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Delphi murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, focusing on the investigation and community response.

Key points

The Delphi Murders. Two teenage girls go missing in Delphi, Indiana, leading to a massive search effort.
Community Support. The community rallies together to search for the missing girls, showcasing solidarity.
Discovery of Bodies. The bodies of Liberty and Abigail are discovered, confirming fears of foul play.
Nationwide Manhunt. A manhunt is launched for the suspect seen near the girls' disappearance.
The Mystery of Liberty's Phone. Questions arise about the whereabouts and recordings of Liberty's phone during the investigation.
Reward Money Grows. The reward for information in the case increases to fifty thousand dollars, attracting more tips.

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