Delphi Murders - Off the Record /// Part 2 /// 323 | Forensic Files

foreign [Applause] [Applause] well and that's why I think it's important to examine the possibilities
and the reasons why this has not been solved and I think one thing that we can get into captain
and part of it that we talked about last week was I kept referencing maybe the investigators have just been unlucky
maybe you know because you see this and you're like we got we got the video we got the voice we have eyewitness
statements they worked with FBI and and again they might have DNA and I'm gonna quit saying might I'm going to go with
they do okay I think that probably very quickly into this thing they realized that they had
DNA and they thought this thing was going to be over and done very quickly and then it took a while and they
realized this dude's not in any of the systems we can't we can't track this guy down that we have nothing to compare it
to and I think that's why you see there was a delay in putting uh take taking that
still image and then releasing the actual short little video there and then there's the delay between that short
that that still image and the sketch the original sketch that comes out because what that didn't come out till
what June or July of the year of the crime there were several months that went by so here's
one thing where I wonder that one thing let's get into a bunch of things where they've been where investigators may
have just been Unlucky One the no match of DNA we've already talked about that two
I think I'm starting to think that the bridge guy's appearance on the pixelated video May almost give a false sense of
his actual true appearance and I think that that's working in his favor and working against investigators
for one thing when you first see the video right when you saw the still image didn't you think we were looking for
like a pudgy guy like kind of a kind of a fluffy fat guy or or at least slightly
overweight but then later when they released the video and you see the individual walking
you can see that those pants are the the jeans are a lot baggier than what his actual legs may require right when you
see that leg move you almost see that the legs are much thinner than those jeans chicken legs and then you have to
wonder how many layers of clothing is that's the thing that I wonder why if for some reason he did stand out and
he must have in some form or fashion because we have witnesses or believed witnesses that think that they saw him
on one of the trails I I don't know that it the the detecting factor for them would be that oh I saw a
guy with wet jeans because we went through that conversation last week you may not have
been able to visually see and determine that his genes were wet right they may have just appeared to be a darker shade
of blue but it was a warm day for February to me the guy looks at least on the you know the upper half of him looks
to be very overdressed for the temperature that day it almost appears that he's wearing a
hoodie or or something of significance underneath a jacket and one thing going in his favor too here again I believe
that there's there's a collar to that jacket there's a part of that jacket that's sticking up at one point and he's
looking down to watch his feet his foot placement on that bridge that's concealing his face a little bit
he may be wearing a hat or that might just be wearing a hoodie with the hood up that
I I feel like we're we're getting a false sense of his true appearance because it is a pixelated video now
here's here's the thing you were talking about do we have more video footage I think that there's more video and this
is pure speculation okay pure speculation don't don't put on the blog untrue I'm saying it
this might not be true I'm just guessing here I think that they have more video footage
unfortunately I don't think that there's so much video to watch what I mean by that is I think that shortly after
Libby was filming this guy on the bridge and he's very quickly making his way we're not seeing that clip in real speed
I don't care what anybody says I we cannot believe we're seeing that at real speed
[Music] I think at some point she had to conceal her phone from him either hold it in a way that she's not
filming or it's not obvious to him that he's being caught on camera or she stuck it in her pocket and that
might that might be the reason why we're hearing the words and it sounds muffled
guys down the hill it may sound muffled because it might be in her pocket right and
I think that her I think that she did the video was running and filming it just might
not have had anything additional to film because it was concealed in her pocket and I think that her phone went dead so
quickly anybody that's run the camera feature I mean well camera feature and or the video feature
the video recording feature on their phone realized that kills your phone very quickly yeah and they were saying
very quickly her calls were going straight to voicemail they weren't ringing anymore and I I think that this
guy very likely did not know that he was filmed did not know that his voice was was caught on her right on her phone and
and he left the phone there because look I I don't want to give this [ __ ] any credit but
he's smart enough he he's smart enough that he's got away with this so far well let's not say smart because that that's
one of the things we're lucky enough well I I think I got a better word for you I one of the things that they were
kind of talking about and profiling this individual is he organized or disorganized and so I think there's a
lot of evidence that shows that he's organized uh and then but then not taking the phone that seems like
disorganization well you could take that either way I was thinking about that too
not taking the phone you go oh that's disorganized he didn't didn't plan it out didn't put much thought into it what
if he what if he did put thought into it in advance and he said I'm not taking any of their phones because what if they
trace their phones they can trace you know what if they follow the pings on their phones to me because I took them
with me what if what if he destroyed her phone at the scene not knowing that it captured any of his image or anything
like that because the phone's dead by that point or if he just just left it there or tossed it in the water
yeah and oh tossed in the water is an interesting thing too because we talked about the clothing right the victim's
clothing last week we were talking about where they found clothed where they found
where they found was the clothing in fact ever even found if they were if it wasn't on their person
I still don't know the answer to that but I did find I did find some info that was saying that
um clothing may have been found in the creek and this would be the point of Deer
Creek that would be nearest where their bodies were found so when it's but again it's a very vague
broad statement of clothing found in Creek we we don't know if it belonged to the victims
we don't know if in fact that there was clothing found in the creek but what I can say this is when when they were
searching for the girls there were helicopters that were flying overhead and they were filming some of the search
that was going on for the girls they'd not found the bodies yet you can clearly see three or four
Searchers and the reason why you can see them is because they're wearing those those those red
like suits head to toe suits they're wearing these red suits and they're in the water and
there's clearly there's something there with them they're they're examining something
that they found there again that could have been the victim's clothing could have been an item discarded by the
killer that belonged to him could have been a weapon yeah I mean yeah something was found in that water
we don't we just don't know what the significance is one of the rumors I come hearing this week was that they were
actually found um but they were wearing each other's clothes so whatever they were wearing
before that switched and again this is you know just one of those random rumors and then it becomes well weren't they
both wearing jeans is it possible that the shirts were just changed um who knows
um but yeah I mean there's again we talked about that a bit and to me that would almost imply that the Killer
redress them right or dress them it doesn't have to mean but that's what you're saying your mind goes they're uh
size wise they're a different size girls and and but I could see a situation where you know the the pants
were put back on correctly but maybe the shirts weren't sweatshirt yeah so it is it's a weird rumor it's
one of those it's one of those things that when you first read that or see that it kind of you're like whoa yeah
what is this and then I really start thinking about it I'm like well we have a very short window of
time and there's a chance that a lot of things might have had to take place during that short window of time
I don't know that I don't know that we have the time to redress the victim and get that wrong
afterward yeah I I don't know and again the source that I have gone back to I brought this
up and again it was something that they just didn't want to comment on but normally that like I said there's
been several times where I've said oh you know I've asked questions they don't want to comment on it and that normally
meant it was it was correct so but I guess I shouldn't assume that well and for anybody out there wondering where
we're coming up with this info because you know I'm sure somebody's going well they've not released even the cause of
death for either girl they've they've not released very many things true to the crime scene right so what is this stuff
you're even talking about well the way that this works for my understanding is that some of keep in mind there were
search parties out there looking for these little girls some of these rumors are believed to
have stemmed from people that were actually involved in the search yeah and may have found the girls or may have
been in there was a team across the creek at the same time that the team on the other side found the girls so that
we have this whole thing where we have multiple people that were in that area may have seen something that's not been
released to the public and may have spoke and told somebody else of what they saw what they witnessed during
those searches again or again we have just made up stuff right but from from people
elsewhere that are that are claiming to have heard something yeah but it's also such a small town
three thousand thirty five hundred people yeah something like that it's just like like we've talked a little bit
about it but like the Pike County murders um it happened in an area where I used
to work but you know a long time ago I'd work one day a week in that in that town
and just knowing some people from that town the rumors that I heard were not things that you would hear
I mean it would have made a fascinating um probably 10 part episodes on the rumors that I heard you you heard like
hours of rumors we're talking detail detailed theories yeah with people's names and motives and why they did this
and why they did that why what's still going on today that's in relation to this specific Theory and you
heard multiple theories that some of them would have taken three hours to explain and then then when the news
broke that they solved it there's none of them it was none of those theories it was yeah
uh but I was trying to make it a long story short basically there was tons of these rumors based off of this guy that
I worked for um and there was all these weird rumors surrounding him and I worked for him for
a long time so I ended up calling him after I heard all these rumors and asked him what he thought it was
because this guy was very close to the family um every member of that family adult
wise actually worked for him at some point you know as like a freelance contractor or whatever
and he simply said to me that he thought that the involvement this was all based around the custody of
of that girl and when he said that and this guy is a guy that he likes to exaggerate everything so you would think
that he would want to tell these crazy Tall Tales he said no I simply think it was a dispute based off of um custody
and then once they arrested the family up in Alaska that's pretty much what it all you know the Pike County murders was
all about was that custody issue um so so it's strange I heard a million rumors and they were fascinating and
they were great tall tales um and that's what I'm afraid that is going to start happening here
well I mean in a sense it has a little bit where you have all these people that are now considered suspects by the
public and then never publicly cleared by law enforcement I'm guessing they've checked these people and probably not
too interested in a lot of them um but you not only did you have that with the arrest of certain individuals
you also had that with the search warrants that were being filed and executed very quickly after this
this case broke right right so the the first one that hit the news was a a home a property on bicycle Bridge Road was
searched on February 16th three days after they went missing two days after they were found this location is
approximately five miles from the monin High Bridge a nine minute drive from the area this was searched and I
don't know I don't know what their outcome was I mean obviously no arrests were made in
this in this search but then you have another search that took place in a town called Peru
Indiana this one took place on February 25th this is a different a good amount away
this is 37 miles away a 56 minute drive from the bridge the third search took place in Lebanon
which I think one of the one of the suspects or one of the suspect's friends that we were talking about last week
Garrett Kurtz yeah was from Lebanon which is not um so this says my notes say 54 miles is
the fastest route and the so this would be an hour and six minute drive from the bridge I do want
to point out with the Lebanon search the the papers were saying that they were uncertain of the the exact date
that the search warrant was executed uncertain of the exact address known which makes me wonder if it is in fact
connected to the Delphi murders or if it was just a search that was executed and
people people's you know Minds right right we're we're filling in the blanks and and that's what they came up with
but obviously one that was connected was the fourth search and probably the most
public of all four searches was in Delphi Ron Ronald Logan's property but they didn't execute that search
warrant until March 17th now we all know that Logan eventually gets arrested for illegally operating
his vehicle but I mean this is a guy if he's not connected which I don't think that he I don't think he looks
like Bridge guy I don't think his physical description looks like Bridge guy I don't think his facial or hair
looks anything like what I'm seeing on that little bit of little bit of footage on Libby's phone
um so if this guy is not connected he's been looked at very thoroughly he's been
arrested on other charges we have to believe that if in fact they are well he would have been arrested before you
would be required to give the the DNA I guess I'm assuming now that he's in prison
that that they have that we know that his property's been searched but one thing I didn't get to real well with the
the footage on Libby's phone I think that you probably have a lot of audio and I want to get into the audio here in
just a second but the reason why I think that we we only have a very short period
of actual video that we can watch and view as opposed to video of the inside of her shirt pocket or pants pocket
is look the video that they released is not great remember I said maybe the bridge guy got
lucky that his his appearance his true appearance is not well depicted in that short camera footage right and maybe
investigators just got unlucky with that and even though Libby did her best to to
try to out this guy maybe we're only seeing that short clip because that might be close to what
all that they have you have to believe that they would show us one of the better versions
of of of him right right because they could pull the audio out and show us the image and here's what I also wonder too
captain we're going back to the audio you might have that that might be a part of the the tricky part of not answering
these questions for the public when they go oh you got to have more video right well we can't confirm that or deny it
they're not lying they may have more video it's just 39 minutes of 40 minutes of video is is
unwatchable right it's blacked out yeah and then on top of that so so for the audio then people go well do you have
more audio well they might but here's my opinion too if if you if this guy if Bridge guy had a gun if he had a
firearm there might be a decent amount of talking at the very early parts of that
abduction and the closer they get to the murder part of the Abduction the less talking
is going to go on at least from the perpetrator in my mind he's going to direct them as he goes and unless they
are unless they are you know trying to talk him out of whatever he's going to do
there might not be a ton of audio from him now I do find some of the stuff regarding cell phones to be very
very interesting in this case so what we were able to determine and find was actual footage of Mike Patty
he's the grandfather of of Libby he's he's talking the night that they are missing he's being interviewed uh
for the news the night that they are missing yeah and he's talking about they have already checked her Snapchat and
her social media so as terrifying as that is to think about we do know that by that point before
midnight that night his family the Germaine family the German family I'm sorry had seen the Snapchat photo taken from
207 PM of Abby on the bridge right they were probably following her on Snapchat like they were connected yeah yeah and
so during that same interview is when he says that her phone had pinged around town
a couple of times he does go on to say let me see here his exact words I don't know exactly what time that interview
was taking place because I don't think that it was live I think it was filmed and then played but in the interview
he's saying that the phone went dead stopped pinging about four or five hours ago
okay and that broadcast that I'm talking about it came out before midnight that night so this is where everybody got all
worked up and got all concerned about the the Mike Patty's words a couple of things
some people came out and said oh the family had Libby's phone no that's not what he says listen to his
words he says we were checking her social media accounts we were checking things that we could check without
having her phone my thought is because of her age they either had her passwords and her login information or they
followed her right right so they could then just see what she posted but I think I think it's more in depth I think
they probably had her login information or passwords but I also think maybe if they didn't know that the the sister
knew and and then that way they could just check that stuff you know because because they how are they going to have
how are they going to have her phone uh the night that they go missing when they haven't even been found yet
right right but but that's the thing though people mishear things and rather than double checking it that sometimes
people are just stupid right they just roll with it they just run with it and they're like oh he said they have her
phone and then then they're like well that's weird why would they you know then they're starting to think that the
families involved the family's not involved okay the family didn't kill these girls well the direct family that
we know yeah but but again then there's not a lot of suspicious on the outside members I'm just saying but
even even then offering for anybody either right you know I mean there's no there's no
realistic reason to believe anybody would cover for anybody if if you have those ties to the victims it just
doesn't make any sense so so they didn't have her phone we know that it's just something that people misread
people misunderstood and then created that rumor and then on top of that with it pinging with her phone pinging in
more than one location through town it wasn't the phone wasn't traveling around that night
it wasn't going anywhere and as Kelsey later explains in her YouTube video The Town is so small that in certain areas
if you walk from one side of your property to the other side of your property your P your phone will ping off
of two different Towers because that's just just the if you look at the cell phone tower information in
that area it makes sense well it totally makes sense right and I think this is not information that she just knew I
think this is information that that they probably got from FBI or right or some kind of law enforcement now the other
thing with that though too then some people go well the the German family they seem to be
going into panic mode very quickly it was only a very short period of time that you know we're talking we talked
about the timeline the other day it's the longest that you can stretch it out is less than two hours from drop off
time to to the time where you're almost in full search mode you're you're a little over two hours you're now
alerting other family members new family members are showing up to the scene looking for the little girls and then by
5 30. so at the very earliest that they got dropped off 130 135 140 somewhere in
that time range and then reported missing to the police by 5 30 that night some people
suggesting that they're sounding the alarm very quickly but I think the problem with that is
it's a little girl and I I don't think people are putting enough thought into it so you know when you and I we you and
I did the exercise last week where we were we were playing this scenario out out loud talking through it we're going
okay well what what would happen in this situation okay so Derek the father goes
to pick them up it was arranged that they would be picked up around the time that Derek arrived
and then on top of that he tried calling her at least twice nobody answered the phone he walks around looking for them
on the trails does not find them and then notifies Becky Becky's the grandmother who gave permission to Libby
to go to that area that day provided that she had someone to drop them off and someone to pick them up and that
those the drop off and pickup were pre-arranged that was part of the rules so as soon as he notifies Becky it's a
very quick call from Becky to Kelsey to go did you in fact drop the girls off are you still with the girls and then
you hear from Kelsey yes they were dropped off I'm no I'm at my boyfriend's house I'm getting ready to go to work
it's not crazy to believe how much longer after that do they see the Snapchat photo of a video proof evidence
picture evidence of Abby on the bridge and then you're there looking for him and you're going oh my God they they
were here nobody's seen them what the hell's going on and mind you it's February well it's going to get dark
between 5 30 and 6 o'clock that night I'm gonna also think sometimes we just have a gut feeling
feeling is telling you something bad happened or is the picture of bridge guy also in this Snapchat feed so you see uh
some pictures of them at the park you see them going over the bridge and then the next picture you see is just of a of
a man that would be alarming for anything terrifying or any uh parental figure well and not only that even if they
didn't see him on any of the of her social media stuff which which I don't I don't think that
they did but again we don't we can't say 100 percent Mike Patty arrives on the scene around
five o'clock we know that once he gets there he goes to the mirrors property and while on the mayor's property he's
calling a friend of his who is a police officer we don't know what that conversation is but you don't have to
have much bigger of a brain than I got to figure out what they probably talked about it's probably a friend calling in
asking for advice going look man um I'm over here by moaning high bridge over at the Park area been looking for
my granddaughter we can't find her we only dropped her off about 1 30 to 145 so it's not been that long what should I
do should I report her missing should I just sit tight what do I do and that's just he probably got some
good friend advice who's saying you know what you got nothing to lose by reporting her missing right so hopefully
you report her missing and you find her 15 minutes later and we can call the whole thing off yeah but it was right it
was getting it was going to get dark though and it was February and yeah so I don't think it's not
answering our phone I mean we live in an age that we're all connected and so you
can text somebody they'll text you back within minutes or you can call them she's not responding to anything and I
know I went on this long rant Captain but you said the most important thing out of that whole that whole deal there
it's a little girl it's a child it's a child so that's your baby I mean and it doesn't matter look uh it could be a 20
year old that went missing when it's your baby it's it's doesn't matter that they're 20 or 30 or 40 years
old or whatever they are right it's still your baby [Music] [Applause] now I did see some reports regarding
cell phones okay so and I'm not talking about Libby or Abby's cell phone I'm talking about cell phones of persons who
were in the area around the monin high bridge that day within that short window of time of when they went missing maybe
maybe even back it up a few hours beforehand maybe even back it up an hour and a half or so afterwards remember
they were interested in the car that could have been there as long as from noon to five
uh so the the report that I saw about this I found it to be incredibly interesting because it kind of can take
you down two different roads here right so the the statement that I saw was that they
being long they being law enforcement have reviewed everybody's phones that were pinging in that general area
they've spoke to all of those individuals so that can take you two ways with with
your thinking on who or who is Bridge guy did he not bring a phone with him right
or or I guess have it turned off yeah did he not bring a phone with him to that area that day yeah or
the interesting other thought about that is remember the statement from the last
press conference on April 22nd where they very clearly say we may have spoken to you of already Bridge guy when
they're talking to bridge guy they say we may have already talked to you yeah and then you go so that works both ways
that that statement's probably very true they've spoke to everybody's cell phone
who was pinging in that area that day and it's either one of two things either this guy didn't bring his phone with him
or they've already interviewed him yeah so two things one if the individual turned their phone off
before they got into the area that is a well-organized person um would make me feel like it'd be
difficult for them to get caught also discipline I would think that even if this is the first attack or the first
murders by this individual that they they're disciplined enough to um wait out for the right opportunity
but back to what you're saying about the press conference when he says they might be in this room
I think that's like the scariest line of the hope you know we might have talked to you you might be in this room right
now and that I think that's the that every time I watch that um press conference that gives you chills
and and just like the weird weird actions uh not I don't want to say weird but like there's there's a
nervousness in his presentation where you kind of Wonder does he see somebody that's making him that way
yeah that was uh you and I talked about that within hours or even a couple days of that press conference and one thing
you were pointing out you're like well when he said this person might even be in the room is there somebody in the
room that he is mean specifically that he saw somebody in the room that he does not like for any number of reasons
whether they're not being cooperative in the investigation or there's some other
form of dirt bag or whatever is is he just upset with that person's presence or do we have a situation where
they've really done their homework on this and said you know what we've talked about the strategy of the super cop
we've talked about the strategy of publicly calling the killer a coward and calling him a loser and all other
different kinds of things you can call him there's a strategy in that is there anything where he's going you know what
I have to play a specific role during this speech during this press conference and could
that have been too much for him maybe could it have put him on edge a little bit maybe I thought he did a hell
of a job I I don't know exactly what he was supposed to be portraying there but I think that that was I think the words
of that were not only planned out I think where they appeared in order was extremely timed out planned out as well
I think his demeanor was somewhat uh decided upon in advance that you know don't be afraid to lean
into the podium to look aggressive right don't be afraid to appear to get angry at certain points during your statement
don't don't be afraid to to throw out a sentence and leave a long pause between to the
next one don't be afraid to be theatrical with some of it I think there was a lot of a
lot going on there it's I you know I give I want to give him a a lot of Kudos there because it's a lot for one person
to do yeah there were other law enforcement there present that day obviously a lot
of them just standing in the background and and this guy had to do it all by himself with with the whole the whole
presentation there and I thought he did a fantastic job um but I but it also goes back to what
you were talking about earlier the the motives the method of operation the how organized could this killer be
personally I think he's probably extremely organized to the point where I think he planned out where he parked his
vehicle I think that I think he put thought into not only stepping foot onto the crime scene but also fleeing the
crime scene and the placement of his vehicle was thought out as such that it has to bode
well for both of those scenarios then on top of that I think the reason for the baggy clothing on top and and
the multiple layers on top is he brought everything with him that day to kill somebody
he brought everything that he thought he was going to need in that scenario to kill somebody and
it's all concealed under those layers and that might be another reason why he may appear to be chubbier or more heavy
set than what he actually is and again we might just be getting a bad a bad look at this guy and
again I think they're giving us the best look that they got from her her footage
now there is one interesting part in there if you really slow that that small clip down there's a part where it looks
like somebody may have blocked something out from that picture that may may for just
a split second that we saw something that the public is not supposed to see I don't know if it would have been a
weapon or or something else it would have to be something significant it wouldn't be something there's no reason
for them to to disguise this individual anyway so they're not trying to to stop us from
seeing him from seeing Bridge guy but I I think that they're concealing something there that might be
the gun as he approached the girls the other thing that I want to address here real quick is is a couple things we
John Douglas you know my hero you're my hero John Douglas you're my hero I still think we
should uh the Wayne's World we're not worthy yeah we're scum I saw a short interview with him after the 422 press
conference and look it was one of those interviews you ever see like an interview where the
you know John's just standing there it was supposed to be just a casual real quick interview but you ever see one
where they they have the interview they've clearly brought it back to the news station they've cut it up the way
that they want to cut it up but instead of just letting you view the entire interview there you're getting the news
anchor that just talks the whole time and they'll show a very quick little answer of his I would have loved to have
heard everything he had to say about his thoughts on who Bridge guy is and what's
going on with the investigation but the one thing he did say which which was fascinating but it's also not
like it's not like the most brilliant thought that nobody else would have thought of
but when he heard the audio of guys down the hill guys down the hill he was saying that the the casualness of
choosing the word guys it he said it almost fell to him like it was somebody that was used to talking to
people of that age yeah addressing a group of people in that age and he almost felt like it was like like
something he would expect to hear a teacher say you know guys look come on yeah guys cut it out guys all right it's
time to come inside you know something like that um I found that interesting one for for
multiple reasons but but one just the simple fact of who would have been available at that same time Bridge guy
that's the thing in their profile when they're talking about identifying who the suspect could be who Bridge AI could
be this is somebody that was unaccounted for for a certain period of time on February 13 2017. this is somebody who
may have made up an excuse why they were accounted for during that time here's the other problem though this is where
law enforcement may have just got unlucky this also may be a guy that did not need
to be accounted for that day for any number of reasons maybe he doesn't have anybody to answer to
maybe he has nobody to loan he lives alone works for himself was unemployed you know there's there's a bunch of
reasons why he wouldn't have anybody to answer to yeah in a garage yeah yeah with his friend with his can't
remember what day it is yeah but no these are all reasons why law enforcement might just be simply unlucky
at this moment and Bridge guy is getting lucky his hate Bridge guy his luck will
run out his luck will run out but the reason why I point this out is they're starting to be as soon as that second
sketch came out there's starting to be a lot of people that have concern now with
the investigation and with the state of the investigation well it seems like a incompetence right right and and I
look I don't know what to make of the two sketches I'm just pointing out that that it's
possible that what some people may be thinking is them being incompetent might just be bad luck at the moment might
just be bad luck at the moment the other thing too that I want to point out with being organized or disorganized
again I think whatever he thought he was going to need to carry out this crime he
brought with him that day he brought with it that was on his person now that tells you several things about the the
makeup of this individual he may have very likely have gone there with the intention of killing that day
we don't know what else he did to the victims but we also can't expect that he went in
there planning that he was going to kill two victims that day that might not have
been part of his plan it might just have been like we stated earlier that he was
looking for someone to put themselves in a compromised position at the other side
of that bridge and if he was looking for a female he does not have to be a pedophile or a
registered sex offender to have committed these murders he may have just been looking for a female may have even
gone there hoping to see an adult female jogger by themselves and attack them but did not did not find
his victim did not find whoever fit his victimology and he saw these two girls who
I think his victim his victimology is more so of whoever would be compromised would be alone and would be give him the
better percentage of getting away with this rather than having us a specific victim in mind does that make sense or
did I get too weird with it I think it makes sense basically you're saying that he's going
to go there he's going to find the opportunity as long as they fit a certain criteria that's good enough yeah
because I've had many good conversations with several people over great beers on
this case because this case is so captivating right now it's on everybody's Minds
and some of the people have said well you know not only do we have the video and the audio but we know that we're
looking for a killer we know that we're looking for a pedophile I don't think that we know that I don't
think we know that that last part I don't even know I don't even think if we know the first part
I think you know to be on these trails and let's go down this road just for a second
to go on those Trails you have you might you might just be an individual that carries a gun with you to go around
these trails to be outdoors person you might just carry a knife with you is it is it possible
um I I I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility after two years with all
the information that we have we have video footage we have audio footage we have these sketches we have eyewitnesses
we have a lot of things going on there is it possible that this individual uh this was their first time
uh and and this has been their only time so far because uh how scared they are now that they're
going to get caught well certainly possible um yeah I don't want to play the possibility game because there's yeah
everything's possible you get into trouble I I like to look at what we what we think we know what we do know first
what we think we know or what we can surmise by putting other facts together but I was trying to put out that
evidence I mean to me that me it means something that we're this far along we have this many people talking about it
and sometimes it feels as if we have nothing you know so like I'm saying it's not out of the realm of
possibility that somebody's on the trail that day with certain items um but uh but but I don't know I think this
personally I think this guy had a kill kit with him I think it was concealed underneath
those layers of clothing and I don't think it's the first time that he threw that kill kit in his
vehicle or put it on his person and went walking around I I agree with with your statement that
he very likely may have never killed anybody before in Maine afterward John Douglas says you don't
just wake up one day and go out and kill two kids so I think I think what's probably correct is somewhere between
your statement and John Douglas's statement I'm gonna go with my statement and here's the thing it's his
credentials if if this guy is if Bridge guy is was 18 or 19 at the time remember
we have we have from 18 to 40 years old if he was 18 or 19 at the time I'm going to go
with you captain that it's very likely that he's never committed he's never committed a murder before
if he's closer to 39 or 40 at the time I feel like he's either committed a murder before or
has attempted to or or or attack somebody in some some fashion where maybe maybe he was out scaring the hell
out of people one day or and it doesn't have to take place in Delphi it could take place elsewhere
it's it's just one of those things it seems very strange to me that for what I believe he would have need to have
brought with him to the bridge that day seems like a lot seems like a quite a bit of stuff to bring with you to the
point where I I have to call it a murder kit I have to call it that so I necessarily don't think he had to
bring a lot I mean you if you had a gun you can control them uh but based off their age maybe you can control them
just with a knife maybe all you have to do is have one individual and then the other one's just going to do what you
say because you have the individual under lock so you can control both victims with a knife
that's a possibility riskier but you know as far as what we know we don't know what the person's it's not like
they you know the murders happen where they happen because because they had to happen that place
um or that you know or that the guy got spooked we don't know any of that information I mean it's very likely that
that's the case uh where was he to head in with these individuals maybe it was just across the river maybe it wasn't
you these are these are questions we don't have answers for yeah and I don't want to go too far down
the road that we're currently on because look I we we know that he abducted them
at some point we know that they were killed and we know that he fled that area I don't want to spend too much time on
what could have happened what could have been going on from the time he abducted
them to the time he left right um I have a lot of thoughts on that and in in in in feelings on that
and suspicions but I don't I don't it's not something that I'm very comfortable in this area discussing it it does us
not a whole lot of good because it's stuff we don't we just don't know right we just don't know
but I I I will say this I believe that this individual that bridge guy went to that area that day
prepared to kill and knowing that he very likely might kill somebody there that day
I don't think that the girls were targeted in a sense that he met them there or that he followed them from
anywhere or that he knew either of them beforehand I think he was there scoping and looking
for a victim just like a hunter would sit there looking waiting for a prey he was there that day prepared to do
what he came to do and if something presented itself he was going to make a move
so I I think he can be considered organized in the sense that that he he seems to be
one prepared to do whatever it was that that he was motivated to do he was organized enough that we don't have a
vehicle description he you can argue the cell phone thing either way maybe he was smart enough to
know hey I don't want to risk bringing these things with me right uh or is there a chance he thought he heard
something or he got spooked and and intended to to take the cell phones with him but got spooked and ran out of there
faster than he wanted to and then he gets back to his car gets home or wherever in in a half hour later
he's going oh [ __ ] I forgot those cell phones so I think you could argue that either way
or he was smart enough to know that he didn't want that that thing with him it also appears that he very likely may not
have been carrying his phone with him at the time I don't know this is it's it's a it's a very
interesting case in the sense that it's one that you feel like you should have so much information and you really
you really just don't and when you really put the timeline together and you start looking at a map of this area I
encourage everybody to do that because if anybody's sitting there and they're confused about the case that should end
it right there the timeline in a general map of of the area will provide you with
a lot of ways to it's going to help you kind of see how this thing probably played out and how
very quickly everything moved along that day it's also a 100 percent horrifying and
terrifying to think that look this wasn't this was not a dangerous area this was not like a place that you
wouldn't allow your young teenage girls to go to this was somebody that and I think
that's why he chose this area I think he chose it for a couple reasons one I think he thought he would very likely
find somebody by themselves Not only would they be by themselves but this is an area that it's not like
you're not seeing a lot of what's going on you're not near a whole bunch of houses
where you might hear what's going on and then on top of that he picks it picks a
time of day when it's likely to have fewer people there than than most he may or may not have known that there was
going to be school that day or not be school that day so so here we are now Captain over two
years later you and I there's nothing more that I know about the case that you don't know
there might be some things you you were kind of you kind of just let me go this last 20 minutes I'm wondering if there's
things about the case you know that I don't know well there's a possible another suspect
that is kind of on the under surface another guy with a bulbous nose um he he's the
I believe he was a firefighter and he I guess at some point was to be connected with the searches for
the girls and he was arrested for I think whipping out his he whipped out his [ __ ] decent exposure
yeah um how recent is this arrest um I haven't looked much into it uh is is he a look it's he's good Lafayette okay
so he's clearly under the radar as far as the mass population goes right because all these other people their
names have been put out there really put out there so he's under the radar as far
as mass population goes but I know his name but I'm not I'm not putting it out right is this a more recent arrest was
he is he just very recently and under the radar suspect or has he been an under the radar suspect for quite some
time I think he's been under radar for quite some time that this indecent exposure may have may have happened
shortly after the yeah may have happened as early as 2017 but that's what I find interesting about
um this individual is one I could see him um being um Bridge guy I could see that uh also if
if it's true about the the the reddish hair reddish brown hair matches that description description
also has the bulbous nose um so yeah um it would be a possibility not too young and not too old
of an individual but I'll show you this picture when we're done here I know it's
muffled but when you hear that voice do you put an age or a ballpark age on that
voice no I feel like to me I feel like both the the image that I'm seeing and the voice that I'm
hearing sounds to me to be less of a window than 18 to 40. I feel like I'm talking about somebody
more like 29 to 40. 30 to 40. that's just but but I have nothing to base that off of uh off of
other than my own feeling but right speaking of feelings over two years later you and I know
almost the exact same stuff about the case after the last press conference some people have changed their opinions on
what's going on with the investigation do you think do you feel how what is your confidence level on this case
getting solved or as some have come out recently and said I have no faith now and I feel like they they may never get
this guy well what I'm hoping is um I I saw this thing where they they should make t-shirts and sell these
uh for Delphi to raise money but they always say today is the day and they say that they say that every
day yeah let today be the day right today's the day and and the idea is that yeah they've been wrong quite a bit but
one day that's going to be right and you know it's uh I think it's you feel bad for him and
we've met them and we got to talk to them talk to them and look at them in the eye and
and it becomes more real and I couldn't even imagine when you say them do you want to be more specific
well the family the family members and so I I hope so but I what I hope is that there's enough hope
from the family in the community that somehow it just lets the universe works it you know work
its magic and and this screws up something and out of nowhere you know it's kind of like the Golden State
killer type thing it's like somehow the universe was like okay now we can connect DNA to family members and boom
this guy that seemed to be somebody that would would never catch we got him and and I hope that you know
people can I know that seems a little Hocus Pocus to some people but I think if you have
the enough people thinking that this is going to get solved that well well we all hope that that it gets solved I
think the the real question is do do either of us feel that it will what's our confidence level that it will how
soon do you put do you put a time stamp on that thing you know there's really only one person
that hopes that it doesn't get solved and that's the guy that we're calling Bridge guy
now I feel I've not lost my confidence level in this investigation I've not lost
my confidence level even after a different sketch a very much different sketch came out what I wouldn't mind
seeing Captain if they could apply it for us we have a sketch of what appears to be a
younger man uh that being the second sketch I would love to see that second sketch that same
image that same person that I'm I'm seeing in that second sketch maybe with a hood on a hat on a hoodie on some some
dress that appears to be more like the first sketch because what we're seeing on the bridge there is
a guy wearing a jacket and possibly a hat or possibly a hoodie I would like to see something like that
um we did take a little little criticism of not playing the audio of guys down the hill few people had suggested we
probably should have included that in the last episode i n short for Indiana in.gov if you type that in and look it
up you get you get the you get the sketch the most recent sketch you get the image of bridge guy you get several
different pieces of audio there all on the front page you get the video and it also includes that website address
for the abian Libby tip at caco shrf.com as well as some phone numbers there but keep in mind the the sheriff
have stated that they their preferred method of receiving any tips would be email form that way it's easier for them
to categorize these things catalog them keep track of everything keep track of the proper information
that would be the most helpful way I still feel like Captain Maybe This thing could be solved I have a high
level confidence in that I also have a high confidence level that it that might be very soon
that it that it could be within the next year and a half I think we just have to be patient with
law enforcement with this and trust them I think they are handling it very well and I think as long as the public
continues to help that this thing will get solved and it and when they do finally make that
arrest that news is going to be big that's going to be big and it's it's interesting that you reference the
Golden State killer her ears or ons or the original Night Stalker all the different names that that horrible
monster had because of his reign of terror lasted so long and he had so many victims
but it was believed in that case that that we had audio we had we had his voice that we may have had his picture
and just the evidence that was involved in that was almost as such that people were going how could this not be solved
how could this not be solved and here we are sitting here with Libby and Abby's case same thing we got the picture we
got the audio we got a short video it it just takes that one person and I know that sounds I know people are
probably tired of hearing that but that's that's what it is that's the state of the case right now
I believe they got the DNA I believe they're just waiting on checking it against the right person
and I also believe in this case too Captain this is something we won't have to get too far into but we also agreed
off off the Record that there's a chance that when this thing when they do make the the arrest
that the public might not be such aware of it right away that there might be some things that
they need to do want to do behind the scenes before that information gets presented to us yeah to be clear about
this our idea was that it's possible that they have somebody that they've already arrested for another crime
and maybe they've done some testing or or eventually we'll do some testing but even if there's a match with the DNA
they might not actually make an announcement they might spin another four weeks to maybe even eight weeks I
mean it's gone two years the the key is not making their arrest like law enforcement has said the key is
not to make the rest the key is to make the rest and to get uh get a conviction right and if you have somebody that is
on lock up right now with no no real chance of getting out anytime soon you have time to work on the individual
if there's there's reason to believe and we won't get into it too far but there's
there's plenty of reason to believe that even if they do have DNA and have a match there that they would not mind
having a confession on top of that or further Evidence [Music] and on behalf of myself and the captain
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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the Delphi murders investigation, focusing on suspect behavior, evidence, and community hopes for resolution.

Key points

The Unlucky Investigators. Investigators may have been unlucky with DNA evidence, leading to delays in the case.
The Pixelated Video. The appearance of the bridge guy in the pixelated video may mislead investigators.
Speculation on More Video. There might be more video footage of the bridge guy that hasn't been released.
The Phone's Mysterious Death. Libby's phone may have died quickly, complicating the investigation.
Rumors and Theories. The case has sparked numerous rumors and theories, complicating the narrative.
The Panic of the German Family. The family quickly alerts others after realizing the girls are missing, raising concerns.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I think that her phone went dead so quickly.

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Tension

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