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in the garage this week how are you doing hey it's great to be here thanks for having me so you and I have had so
many off the record conversations about the Delphi case and yes it's got national attention but it's something
that is really always on my mind and I know you're always thinking about it too and both of us have a lot of thoughts
and opinions which is just a natural fit because there's not a ton of information
out there I thought it would be interesting if you could join me in the garage and we could talk about some of
our thoughts and opinions regarding the unsolved double homicide case of Abigail
Williams and Liberty German sounds good the way this conversation came about was
you reached out to me and you said hey Nick are you listening to down the hill because I'm listening to it and it's
fascinating and you and I have had plenty of Delphi conversations before this and I said to you yeah I said to
you well that's weird I'm not listening to down the hill I've been listening to scene of the crime
but they're talking Delphi as well and so what that inspired for me and for you is you then went to listen to scene of
the crime and I listened to down the hill so now we're all caught up and here we are going to have a discussion
of reading between the lines of what information has been released And discussing what we think could be going
on here with the investigation itself and with what happened on that fateful day in February of 2017. so I don't know
about you but one of the like main issues I have with this case is there's not much information out there so when
we were given these little tidbits in both of the podcasts I felt like it was just
a huge finding yeah and it's really been a lot of trying to read between the lines and these two podcasts had more
information than others have True Crime garage has covered Delphi at least six episodes and countless off the Record
episodes but it was interesting to get the real nuts and bolts of the case from these two different podcasts so let's
just Dive Right In Here with with some of the thoughts that we wanted to discuss the first being the
investigators they interviewed said that the video and the audio haunts him because of the reaction of one of
the girls and we could take that a million different ways but I did want to get either what what opinions do you have of
that or what questions does that raise for you so one of my main thought processes with this was that the
investigator you know when he was talking about it he had said he had watched the video multiple times and it
always bothers him the reaction of the one girl's face as she's watching what's happening to her friend so in my brain I
was thinking okay we know this whole time it's been Libby's cell phone who was or who's been recording or who was
recording at the time and so my thought process was okay if he's saying he's watching the face of one of
the girls while the other girl is you know some things quote unquote happening to her
she's watching she's watching what's happening then I would believe that they are referring to
Libby watching what's happening to Abby here because if it was Libby's cell phone we know it was in Libby's
possession at the time I feel like that is the most plausible explanation is that it was Libby who was
watching what's happening to Abby yeah so we're going to have a difference of opinion here just based off and I can
only go off of stuff that I've heard and seen and read and and you can only go off of what you've seen in red I have a
different different opinion on this because what I've and I'm trying to think of the investigator that you're
talking about but I do recall seeing an investigator interviewed and saying yeah the video the audio haunts
me and I didn't think that it was as specific as because of seeing the one girl's face
I'm not questioning that that you didn't find that somewhere I just I didn't have
the same experience what I was able to find was that three of the family members are saying that
they were allowed to watch the video and that was Becky Mike and Anna watched the
video and here's where you got to take it a step further did they see the entire video or were they only showed a
portion of it what law enforcement was willing to show them and their statements were that there was very
little on the video that they saw that was of use to identifying the the suspect or even really knowing what was
going on with the girls at at the time of of the video that what they're seeing what they did say that they saw or heard
on the video was typical girl talk talking about the man on the bridge Whispering between the two and at some
point Libby said something about a path ending and this is where I take it a bit
a step further try to fill in the blanks and then wonder if the order of this is
pretty concise as to what they witnessed on the video because you can almost see
this playing out in your mind where we have typical girl talk maybe the video actually started before
they witnessed the man on the bridge then all of a sudden hey there's somebody on the bridge
he's alone why is he walking this fast towards us and then Whispering between the girl
between the two as the perpetrator gets closer and as their fear heightens and then at some point we have this
situation of Libby says something about the path ending and I think Anna's words
were something to the effect of well where do we go now the path is ending this almost sounds to me like by this
point he's already got them the bridge guys already got them somewhat under his control that he's directing them around
and that's where I wonder if in fact there was some video at this point and that's what your
investigators talking about saying one of the girls faces at this point her reaction to what's going on
because you also wonder like if if the path does run out and now not only does he have control of us but he's taking us
off the path doesn't it seem like the Situation's getting a little dire getting worse like not only does he is
he threatening us and controlling our movements but he's now taking us into the woods into a place where we really
don't want to go with this guy well now I've also heard rumors about either the video going out or the audio going out
at some point I don't know have you heard those rumors at all I've definitely seen the rumor of the video
going out where there is additional audio that can be heard but the the phone that was capturing the video may
have been concealed at some point and that's really interesting because I feel like I'm a 50 50 split to whether
the perpetrator knew of the phone at all of the existence of the phone at all because one thing we do know is that the
phone was found somewhere near the crime scene we do not they don't tell us exactly where it was found but we do
know that it was in fact found so that leads me to believe one of two things occurred for the bridge guy
either he never detected Libby's cell phone never she was able to conceal it and he never came across it
or two he may have tried to destroy it but was unsuccessful or thought he had successfully destroyed it you know
smashed the phone and then left but there was still there was the technology was still inside the phone and able to
show us this video and give us this audio one thing I do question though is if he
did detect the phone if he did find the phone it's interesting to me the sophistication that goes into the
thought of to not take it with him especially if he may have thought that there was something incriminating on the
phone it shows that he has some general understanding of that type of Technology
meaning had he taken her phone with him they may have been able to track him in some form using her phone I know that
the Find My Phone app was not working on Libby's phone at the time it does show some type of sophistication
to me that he he may have chose not to take the phone with him now I had had a thought that so from what I have heard
as far as the crime scene which I know we'll get into in a little bit that it was not a or not an organized crime
scene and the fact too it makes me think uh as well that her shoe was found what
a couple feet away from where their bodies were would eventually be discovered I had always thought that the
phone had fallen at some point and he didn't even necessarily know it was there or because I I had had that
thought too why not try to dispose of the phone why not throw it into the creek that they were near
you know why not try to completely get rid of it if it did have this evidence of him committing these crimes on it you
know that kind of goes along with the theory that I'm now in belief of that I actually think that at some point they
did try to run from him that they tried to flee him and so the information I found was that Libby one of her shoes
was on the bridge on the monin High Bridge side of the creek and their bodies were found on the other side of
the creek so I'm wondering now if as they are approaching this Creek area or as they're making their way
down the hill if they tried to run toward the creek and cross the creek to get away from him Libby losing her shoe
in the process or did the bridge guy then place it there or throw it there discard of it there for for whatever
reason later but then that's interesting what you just brought up it could be just as simple as Libby drop the phone
to either abandon it to to be able to run away faster or dropped it on accident or dropped it to
conceal it so he wouldn't know that she filmed him I do think there's more on the video and audio than police are
revealing partially also because we didn't even know it was a video until last year like they didn't release that
until 2019 April literally a year ago yeah so a couple things that that I believe and again this is just my
opinion in regards to the video and the Audio I do think that there is more that
was recorded there was more that was recorded I think that probably what we have here is
whatever else they have in addition to what they've released is of no benefit to the public to the victims or to the
investigation meaning I don't think that we have much more of the offender of the bridge guy
I think there's no reason for me to believe that we are not seeing the best image that they have of bridge guy what
would be the benefit to their investigation to withhold a better image of him from the public when you've
clearly told us time and time again for three years that you need the Public's assistance so that just doesn't ring
true to me that there would be additional better images of the bridge guy I think that there's probably some
additional images of the bridge guy but the one that we're seeing is the best one that they are able to provide to us
and then in regards to the audio I think that there's definitely more audio one thing that Anna did say
was you know gave us a brief description of the audio she could make out again we
don't know that that law enforcement showed the family every everything that they had we just don't know that the
family seems to think that they saw everything that law enforcement had but we just don't know in regards to the
audio the statements I saw from from the family was that there was much more audio than there was video so that goes
back to the idea that the phone was concealed or dropped at some point and from from filming more video
but then on top of that if you have additional audio I think that what you probably have
is a lot of talk between the two victims which doesn't help the the public identify the bridge guy so there's no
need to release any of that and then on top of that if you do have additional audio from the bridge guy it
may be to a point where he is initiating certain threats that may be even detailed threats and we know that
they've withheld a bunch of information the cause of death they've withheld if if they were sexually assaulted how he
gained control of them there could be details inside those threats that would be would be bad for the investigation
because they're withholding that other information right and just to bounce off of that so the audio that
the police did eventually release where it says guys down the hill I've actually
seen quite a few people like try to analyze that audio and I think I actually sent you a copy of it
as well that someone tried to clear it up so it's very apparent while looking at this from a sound point of view like
looking at it underneath audio editing equipment you can see a definite cut in the two sections my guess is there's
more of the offender in the audio and I agree as well that it's probably something not that should
not be shared with the public at least right now as far as what happened with the crime whether or not he described
what he did to the girls or went into great detail or you know something um but I do think I I just my gut's
telling me there's more on the audio and video than what they're they're sharing
ultimately so some information real quick that I have here in my notes sorry I'm going
through my notes as we go through this Libby's cell phone was they did a factory reset 10 days before
the murder this was because the phone was all boogered up with a whole bunch of unnecessary data and probably games and
things like that that's why they were not able to use the find my phone app because a lot of the apps that were on
her phone had not been loaded back onto the phone after this factory reset because that's what her grandmother
Becky would have used to track her down right so then take that a step further what we have here is
the phone was recovered at the scene we don't know where exactly but it's stated
as found close to the scene law enforcement has confirmed that they have more audio and video and all of the
audio they have is from the video that Libby filmed meaning there's there's not a separate recording that's Audio Only
and their statement here from my notes Libby filmed using the standard video recording camera feature on her iPhone
now I have a question that picture of Abby on the bridge that was taken that day
right yes yeah so that's definitely Snapchat so correct yeah I mean well and if that's the case then that it
was record I mean and obviously you know anyone who has a phone we know we can just press the button and it records the
whole time that's interesting so it was Tobe lessenby who stated publicly that the crime is not on the recording and I
believe that was his exact words the crime is not on the recording again I have to believe that means the the
double homicide itself with the SnapChat thing first of all you're talking to the wrong guy I've
never used Snapchat I don't know I don't even I barely even know what it is to be honest with you
what I have here is interesting because the we do know what time that that Snapchat went out so the timing of that
is 207 p.m that the Snapchat goes out the interesting thing there is there's no Bridge guy behind
Abby at that time we know based off of sunlight and shadows and other information that the bridge guy is
approaching them between 220 and 2 30 pm so shortly after that Snapchat minutes after that Snapchat we now have Bridge
guy in pursuit of the two girls and what's fascinating and terrifying to me too is I believe that either if
they're already recording the video or if they were inspired to then record the video
there's somebody else on the bridge which seems haunting on its own he's by himself
again haunting why is he walking so fast why is he approaching us so fast and the
terrifying thing for these two girls again ages 14 and 13 years old they can clearly see a grown man approaching them
very quickly on this rickety Old Bridge you're now left with two options you're either going to be if you let him keep
approaching you you're either going to be in close quarters with this individual that
you're already kind of put off of or your other option is to have to cross him on that bridge
just that alone you're kind of you're really boxed into a corner if you're Libyan Abby here and that that
thought there just terrifies me and I think that that thought alone explains the inspiration
for for the for filming him be it if you were already filming something else or if you were inspired to do so because of
the sight of him now what we also can piece together is that very likely Libby who's recording
is already off of the bridge she's on the what I refer to as the dead end side of the bridge
she's already off of the bridge and you can see that she at one point is filming
Abby who's making her way toward the dead inside and then at some point they become aware of the bridge guy and then
what happens after that we don't know we can piece together too though some point he's able to take control of
the girls and attempt I believe he was successful moving them directing them where he wanted them to go for for a
portion of time that he was successful with that I think at some point it it may have gone away from him so
something I'm thinking I don't remember off the top of my head which podcast it was that mentioned this but they had
made a comment that it was common for Abby to take pictures of random people out in
the public you know secretively of course and like send it to people and like oh that's your boyfriend joking
right which is a total teenage girl thing to do speaking as once being a teenage girl so it almost makes me
wonder if that's what the ultimate like cause of the videoing was and we know that the videos the SnapChat thing is
from that day one because it was posted that day but on top of that Abby that was her first time crossing
the bridge to my knowledge from everything I've heard that that was the first time she crossed the bridge so
it's almost like we have we have her her best friend memorializing that event with that
Snapchat post and then we have okay whole different reason whole different action now we got
Bridge guy we got video of bridge guy which we know was recorded using the standard video recording camera feature
on her iPhone the other interesting thing too we talked about the timing of everything that the bridge guy was on
the bridge between 220 and 2 30 roughly the spot where he is recorded is stated by and I can't recall I'm going off a
memory here if he's the former prosecutor or current prosecutor I'm guessing he's the former Robert Ives he
says the image of the bridge guy that we have seen publicly was recorded at a great distance
and based off of the markings on the bridge we're able to determine that the suspect
at that point is approximately 60 feet from the end of the bridge and that bridge from what I've seen
the locals say takes about six minutes to cross this goes back to a theory that that I threw out there when
we covered it on True Crime garage and I'm still of this Theory that he was approaching them and he was
approaching them rather quickly that he was moving across that bridge at a faster than normal rate and that might
have been something that tipped them off why would he go that fast that it almost
feels like to me that the two new or were suspicious of his movements believing at some point
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things about the crime scene were odd and I found this interesting and I do know a little bit of the production
between the two podcasts scene of the crime was was the production was completed on that
before down the hill was completed they both came out roughly about the same time but what I found
interesting was the contrast between the two within that of Robert Ives statements where on scene of the crime
he says there were several things about the crime scene that were odd and it's almost like he it's almost like loose
lips sink ships once the toothpaste is out of the tube you can't put it back in but he tries to walk it back a little
bit like you know there there are there are always odd things about a murder scene
it felt a little telling like no maybe the maybe this crime scene has things about it that are more strange than the
typical crime scene and then later on down the hill he's now referring to these rather than odd things as
signatures and it's almost like he was schooled to to start using the word signature or if it maybe it was a
theatrics thing I don't know but I cannot shake either of those statements I cannot get them out of my head I
cannot quit circling round and round about what they could mean and you and I touched upon that a little bit in our
conversations I don't know take me into your thoughts when you hear somebody that close to the case say a statement
like that I can totally agree with that the odd crime scene comment has stuck with me this entire time since it was
set um because you know obviously your mind starts racing like okay what in the heck
could that mean and you know no no crime scene is a good crime scene you know like it's to say that it's odd
really makes me think that so and also too um the First Responders they had made a
comment too in the podcast I think it was down the hill that they all had to decompress
that evening so when I hear it was an odd crime scene they had to decompress that evening
which of course you know the murder of two children that is not an easy thing to deal with as a first responder or
investigator that is not a good thing that never sits well but for to make a point to say that
almost all of the people involved all of the First Responders involved had to decompress that evening because that was
the like like severeness of the crimes exactly exactly which I mean you know we hear that First
Responders need to decompress when they see some really messed up things which rightfully so
then the mentioning of the signatures so the second I heard that I was like okay
that's really interesting to hear that there are signatures involved in the case
and to know about all the different rumors that are circulating around it immediately made me think that there
might be some value to some of those rumors you know I mean there were people there at the crime scene
the person who found them was a family member of Libby's I believe for them to say their signatures I know you and I
have kind of discussed this what the difference between a signature and an MO is right
so it it's it just like hmm I mean should we go into the rumors or well yeah I think we should because
part of this that I'm hoping to achieve with our discussion here today is some of the old rumors that we're
circling around they've made their way back again and I think it's because of the two
podcasts which is strange to me because they were so complete and concise about the
information that they were putting out but again it's always going to go back to the law enforcement has not released
much information so then that that only inspires the rumor mill but I think that
some of the some of the rumors are one they're just negative toward the victims negative toward the families and they
hold no Truth at all so not only am I hoping that our discussion has some some interesting opinions and some
interesting takes and theories on what might have actually happened but also to to squash some of those rumors that are
showing their ugly face again so I think the other interesting thing here to keep
in mind and correct me if I'm wrong Melissa but Robert Ives was pressed they're like
what do you mean by signatures can you tell us what they were and he's of course he's like no I cannot tell you
what they were I believe he was pressed to say well how many signatures or how many odd things are off things would you
say that you saw at this crime scene and I believe his exact words were two or three
I feel like three feels like more familiar to me to the point where I wonder if if he did say three but two or
three is what I've been kind of working off of based off of his statements if I'm remembering it and I think too he
says at least two or three at least stuck with me I mean I feel like that leaves room now for like tons of
speculation because it's like what else was at that crime scene so um I know some of the like most
popular theories are um and what we I can also mention that Facebook message that I had found so
there's a screenshot that's been circulating around by the person who actually found the girls
um who saw the shoe first looked up ended up finding them so there's a Facebook message messenger
picture going around stating that Libby was nearly decapitated and that it was obviously personal
towards her which is an interesting you know thing to say especially if they did
not know the person well and again this is not a the person that's giving that opinion that they believe it to be
personal is not an accident no can we agree on that yeah and should we take it a step
further and question the the validity of that screenshot oh I I would say yes well not only that but I think because
that screenshot has circulated around this person is now a favorite suspect of many online sleuthors which is kind of
interesting but um just to roll off of that though I've heard many rumors and I'm not sure
if you've heard the same rumors that Libby had to wear a scarf at the funeral yeah that's been a pretty common one to
go around and actually I've seen it said that both were wearing scarves I've seen
that as well I I mean I don't know if that's true obviously I was was not there and
um I don't know if that's true but I will tell you this I am of the belief and I'm basing this off of things that
I've seen and heard in a lot of it mind you is second and third hand but I'm hearing this from
and seeing this from some trusting from some trusting persons and sources and this is not Insider information this
is my opinion I believe that the that it was a bladed weapon that was used in the
in the attack of of the girls I think that it was a gun that was used to control them and to move them but
because of how loud a gun is when it came time to you know it that it was a bladed weapon that was used for that
portion of the of the crime now that's interesting I don't know that I want to take any further than that
um as far as what the injuries could be and then you take it a step further and you say well
and you bring up a really good thought it's it's this layperson's opinion that it was personal based upon the injuries
they saw or may have seen that it was personal against you said Libby yes yeah here's
where I take that a step further and and you said well that's interesting especially if they didn't know them it's
almost implying that the the victim and the offender knew one another but we've seen plenty of crimes we've seen plenty
of murders where it it appears to be personal in nature but they didn't know each other and that
can happen for a multitude of reasons one did Libby present certain problems to the offender
and really pissed the guy off or did he or did she really fight him fight back in a good strong way and it
became personal for him the other thing too that people often point out is overkill well the the
offender must have known the victim because of the overkill that we see at the scene or on the victim or the
overkill that's um presumed to be at the scene since we don't know exactly yeah you know looking
at other cases not this case but there were plenty of Ted Bundy's victims that had the appearance of Overkill because
that's how he preferred to kill the victim that's how he naturally attacked these victims and he didn't know any of
them where there's Overkill does not necessarily have to mean that the offender knows the victim or has a a
specific hate for that victim that they want to destroy because that's what you see with Overkill you often say
um to kill somebody is to take them away to to end their lives but the overkill is the emotion is that they want to
destroy that person you don't necessarily have to know them to have that hate the victim could be a
surrogate look which is could represent something else it's it's seen a lot it could in its with some of these killers
serial killers in particular some of them it's just a a general hatred for women in general and and that all that
means is that for Overkill to be present is that the victim them as a woman I don't know I've not heard rumors of of
Overkill here with Delphi but I have heard and seen the rumors of it possibly being personal with in regards
to Libby I think that that means something that that doesn't necessarily mean that
they were that they the perpetrator knew either one of the victims I think this was a stranger abduction and attack and
I think that's part of the reason why the investigation has been so difficult and I think that it became it may have
become personal for the killer so this is um something I've gone back and forth on a lot
let me ask your opinion do you think that the girls were killed at the scene we have a vague statement from law
enforcement that would lead us or lead me to believe that their statement is they were killed where they were found
and people have taken that you can take that a million different ways where they've taken off someplace else and
then returned to the general area and killed there I don't think any of that went down I think that this the general
statement of they were killed where they were found and they would have evidence
to prove that to them to law enforcement it wouldn't be very hard for them to figure that out
but I think that you have to take into account a few different things all of these crimes and anytime you have a
murder especially with a double homicide you have you have multiple crimes that happen during the commission from the
start to finish of this and we know that they were abducted at some point because
they were moved they were under his control and moved somewhere that they would not want to be so that is the
definition of being abducted and then they are killed what we have here to me is there's not a lot of time that goes
by from the time that he Bridge guy first comes on the scene to the girls to the time when they're probably when it's
probably all over with and he's in the process of fleeing the area we have law enforcement statements that say and
again there's they're speculating as well because until we catch the guy we just don't know but they're saying that
on their press releases with the description of the bridge guy and images of the bridge guy they state that it's
believed he left the area area by 5 PM but could have still been there in the general area when the family started
searching for the girls the other difficult thing here which is weird about the phone with going back to
Libby's phone is we have Derek who was there to pick them up he calls Libby's phone at 3 11 that afternoon because he
can't find the girls now a couple tricky things here she doesn't pick up the phone you could take
that one of two ways whatever happened already happened or by 311 or she's under the control of bridge guy or has
dropped the phone by that time there's also some interesting speculation that we know to be true is
with the with the camera feature that she was using to record the video if you have an incoming call on that
iPhone that she had it would it would stop the recording is that what stopped the recording eventually the phone goes
dead eventually that you know it's going to to voicemail at some point then you take it a step further
if they were afraid enough to record video why not just call 9-1-1 right you know like right you gotta think that may
have been an option I'm sure that there's some places that your phone just won't work but why was that option not
used or and here's a little safety tip for anybody out there if you're approached by somebody that
that they know they're aware that you saw them already and they're trying to abduct you at the
very least lie to them and tell them you've already called 9-1-1 even if you feel like you can't in that
very moment tell them that you've already called yeah can't hurt by that point no I mean shoot
yeah and it's just making me think like at what point were they under his control
at what point did they feel unsafe what was it during the video was it after the video did it and I think
that's a really interesting point too that if I had to guess that's most likely how the video stopped was
probably the call coming in from her father and that's just my opinion obviously but
yeah no it just makes me wonder at what point they knew they were in trouble and
why they didn't feel comfortable I mean unless he had had a weapon on them at that point yeah which is true I I think
I mean and you got to think too it's very difficult to handle two victims at one time even if you're a man
like into small smaller teenage girls um and I want to say too they don't think that the murderer is a very tall
large person they think he's on the shorter side and what did they say I thought I'd heard like five nine to five
eleven but I could be wrong don't quote me on that I'm gonna pull it up I I have
the FBI seeking information flyer here somewhere five six to five ten yeah I mean that's a short guy and they put him
at 180 to 200 pounds which is interesting because that's from the the newest information because the old
information had him about 20 pounds heavier but the same height yeah I mean how How could somebody of
that stature and I want to say Libby was taller for her age I believe she would probably would have been close
to that height and I know Abby was a little bit smaller but to be able to control two victims at
one time that is not an easy thing to do by any means that's what you need the gun exactly or some weapon
um right and this is going back to the statement that Doug Carter stated Kelsey said as well they both are of the belief
that the the bridge guy that wasn't his first time Crossing that bridge they both
they're saying anyone that has walked that bridge before would understand that and I've never walked the bridge so I
don't know but I'm going to believe them with that statement which is interesting
meaning he's either from the area or currently lives in the general area or at least has been to that location
a time or two before I take it a step further is if you a map of the general area is so key for
anybody that's trying to look into this case and do a little bit of their own web sleuthing a little bit of their own
armchair detective work here because if you look at the way that that whole situation is laid out if he's familiar
with the area if he this is where you gotta put yourself in the mind of the killer of the perpetrator
he chose that area he didn't just end up there by accident that day he chose that
area and if we're if we're to believe that he used a gun to control them if we if he brought weapons with him to the
scene there's every indication that he went there and he's using this as some type of hunting ground now
he is using that bridge as a strategy he knows that once somebody gets more than halfway across that bridge
that either he can go to the other side of the bridge and pin them down or they at the very least have to pass
him on that bridge as they're coming back trying to get to to the opposite side I think he was looking for a
certain type of victim and I think he was looking for them to put themself in a state of vulnerability and the bridge
is what caused them to be vulnerable if he's up on a bridge with them right a bridge is not stable like and if you
look at pictures of this bridge it is an Old Bridge um yeah so I mean you gotta think I mean
if all it would take is one of them to push him off and it's like even if you have a weapon on them it's still a very
risky area to try to take control of two teenage girls in part I think not only is he chasing after them but I think
that's why I believe him to be moving so quickly across the bridge and there's a lot of other people that
share that opinion is that he wants to catch them at that state of being vulnerable and that that
area for him is getting them on the dead end side of the bridge and I think that I think that as fast as
they saw him moving is what inspired the the fear that that sent up the red flags about there's something
not right with this guy let's go back to our our takes on the the crime scene itself and they're being at least two or
three signatures or at least two or three things that were off or odd about the scene according to Robert Ives take that
for what it is but but look at the surface of what we do know and see if any of the things that we already know
could apply to that statement one thing that we do know is multiple victims at one time is a rare it's a
rare thing so is Robert Ives lumping in the fact that we know that there are two victims
as being a signature or something that was off or odd and now are we down to just two things that we have to try to
decipher what was was offer on and you know I've I've heard theories that a lot of people believe this was the first
time this suspect or perpetrator had killed somebody I I I'm not sure how people have drawn
that conclusion being we know so little about the crime itself if it were his first time offending
to initially take on two victims at once and like you would how you had said it's
it's rare and it's not a common thing and it makes me think that somebody who is just you know starting to kill
would not necessarily go straight away for two teenagers yeah it seems like a more difficult situation the anytime you
increase your level of risk you're increasing increasing your level of risk of getting caught and these guys that
fantasize about violence that fantasize about abduction or killing they want to be successful in what it is
that they set out to do so they do not want to increase the risk of getting caught number one but they also don't
want to increase the risk of not being successful in living out their fantasy their violent fantasy
the thing that gets difficult there is you have to because we don't know who Bridge guy is
we do not know what his fantasy was what his intention was what his plan was is there a chance that he was unaware
until it was too late that he was approaching two people instead of just one I think that's on the Slimmer side of of
possibilities I think it's very likely that he knew he was approaching too because I keep going back to that he's
looking for not only a certain type of victim but a victim that puts themselves in a in a certain spot
in that that state of being vulnerable I don't think that two victims was a signature but I think there's a purpose
for it I think there's a reason behind it why he chose to rather than one I or maybe the number
is not so much important but the people that he saw the targets that he saw I think there's reasoning behind that like
maybe he set his eyes on one of the girls and the other one was collateral damage that's always a thought process
that's a strong possibility yeah the other strong possibility is were these the first two
targets that he saw that didn't contain a male or was this the smallest group of people
that he saw I have some belief and I don't know for certain but there are some statements
and some witness reports eyewitness reports who people that were in the area around this time of day
where it seems to me like he may have had the opportunity to go after a single female
a woman or a or a younger lady by themselves now we don't know that we can't say for
certain that he actually saw that Target and decided to pass on it but there seems to be enough evidence
out there to me that that is a possibility that he that he didn't choose that Target for some reason so
then that makes me go back to well maybe it's it's either this type of victim the number of targets that was important
enough for him to move in and act because one thing we do know is we don't have anybody coming forward saying oh I
was attacked or approached by some weird guy on this day around this time that didn't happen so it almost appears like
whoever he first set out to go after he he did he actually went after them there's also zero this is the one rumor
that I would love to squash right here there is zero evidence or zero reason to believe we cannot say for certain
but there's zero evidence to suggest that he went there targeting one or both of these girls specifically that he knew
that they would be there if he went there for the purpose of going after one or both of them so
we we can state that for several reasons one it was kind of a last minute trip that they went out there
and two this isn't like a super secluded place this is a place that a lot of people went to to go hiking especially
uh younger teenagers to hang out or hike the trails which makes me wonder if he if he knew the bridge and he knew
that area well enough he would have known the type of people that would have ventured to go there especially during
the middle of the day of a on a work week and that also tells me maybe he was looking for that type of victim your
show's called victimology so I don't have to explain to you there there is these perpetrators have uh have a victim
type often and be if they're a Serial offender or not a one-off if you're going to try to profile the offender
it's as important to profile the victim and as important to profile the area and
just to bounce off of that so one really huge issue with the information we know about this
case is and I think this is the reason why people are so upset that it has not been solved and
that we don't know more is because we don't know what the motivation was behind the crime
they have never said if it was sexually motivated if it was a rage killing if it
was a mission kill they have never ever clarified on their thought process on that so we don't know if the ultimate
goal was to have some sort of sexual fantasy fulfilled by the girl's death deaths
so and I know um there's a lot of theories out there that a lot of weird post-mortem activity had happened and I
really don't hold a lot of I don't think they hold much water let's put it that way well again that goes
back to if that that means he has to stay there longer longer every every weird post-mortem activity that
that he's supposed to have done means he's there longer at the scene and again increasing his risk level of
getting caught or being seen with the victims after the fact and I I do think that there was some stuff
done and I think that that is really where I want to mesh two statements together where we have Robert Ives who
says there were two or three signatures at least two or three signatures we also
have Doug Carter the spokesperson for and I know that's not his proper title but he's done he's
The Upfront one he is the the face and the voice of the press conferences coming out of the Indiana State Police
his statement when he was addressing the killer you know and he got real personal
with his statements and I loved that I loved the aggressiveness of his statements and addressing the killer
directly in some of those press conferences but one of his statements was he says something like I can promise
you they are not the way that you left them that day yeah and that to me does tell me that there
was there was some postmortem activity that was that were actions by the Killer and I
almost feel like that is an attempt to slap the killer in the face because we see this with a lot of these guys
they have fantasies leading up to the to the commission of these types of crimes
and then they have fantasies after the fact and some of them want to relive what took place when they committed some
of these crimes to me that's almost like we know you did some things to these to the victims or
to the area it's not that way today so get it out of your head quit fantasizing about it what
what you think that you created no longer exist to me that points out one of the most common
signatures that you will find out there is the posing of a victim so I feel like to me meshing Carter's
statement with Robert eyes statement I feel like posing one or both of the victims is probably I would put that at
a high probability I would also think that there's probably some type of covering of the victims
be it with sticks leaves debris or all of the above because one thing we do know is we have statements from The
Searchers that say you know we were in that very general area the night before and we didn't find them
we found them the next day during daylight and then that has spread the bad rumor that the bodies were moved or
the victims were were taken away from the scene and then brought back at some point
I think people are over analyzing that I think it's just as simple as it was dark
out right and they didn't and there may have been some camouflage involved be it leaves
sticks debris covering of the bodies that prevented them from finding them that night under the cover of Darkness
the other thing we have to factor in there too Melissa is keep in mind at night you believe you're looking for two girls
who are alive and well that's a much different thing and I I still think they the Searchers believe that they were
looking for two girls that were alive and well the next day but now that the fear level has increased for the
Searchers because the time that has expired but that night you're not you're looking in a different way you're out in
the dark you're calling the girls names hoping to hear them respond to your voice
and when you don't get that you kind of quickly move on in that situation you're
hoping to cover as much ground as possible we just reviewed a case on True Crime garage it was the Evansdale
murders where the two victims were found in a remote location and it was such a remote
dense area that the the officer said had these Hunters just been five feet or so in a different direction they
would have never have seen the bodies so I I binding them that night means anything
other than they didn't find them right they were probably there the whole time but then
it also takes you a step further to go okay well what was the signature were they posed were they covered were they
bought was it both one of the other theories I had heard and I really don't think there's much to it
um is that the girls were wearing each other's clothes the reason I don't think that's the case because the person who
actually found the bodies um I believe the way it happened is he saw the shoe on the ground looked at the
shoe began to look up and ended up seeing Libby in her tie-dye shirt I don't think
that they were necessarily dressed in each other's clothing I thought that was kind of
an iffy one the posing though I totally could see some some form of that and also too I'd also
heard a rumor that um either both of them were nude or one but um the wearing each other's clothing
I really don't think that's the case the rumor I heard was that one of them was completely clothed or found in all
the clothing that they were last wearing and that one of them might have been somewhat undressed but not completely
nude and again that's just the rumor I heard I think this whole thing with them being in each other's clothing
is probably a rumor that just started at the very local level and grew legs for some reason
it doesn't seem like a likely scenario because you're going to have to if you're the perpetrator you're going to
have to have them carry out that act for you or you're going to have to strip them and redress them it's again
it's like a whole lot of extra unnecessary things going on and usually there is a very
usually there's a very simple explanation to what happened and why the issue being for us on the outside
trying to look in one we don't have much information to work off of but two we also don't know
as you pointed out the mo or the intentions of the perpetrator it's hard to profile him and profile his actions
and what he did or may have done that day because we don't know what what the intent was I I keep seeing
a scene where his intentions were to do something different and it went sideways at some
point and then he he attacked and killed the girls either out of necessity or out of anger and I know it
seems like a very simple explanation but I to me that's there seems to be some information out
there that might point to that the the shoe on the other side of the water and then if you're we know he's directing
them we we know that 100 percent because we have the one line of down the hill he's telling them go down the hill he's
not saying look there's a deer where is it down that that Hill no he's directing
them to go where he wants them to go he's moving these people along and why is he moving them where is he taking
them what is his intention with that and then take I take it a step further why if if they were killed where they were
found I I have to question that he didn't direct them to that area why would he take them why would he
choose to take them across the water when he didn't have to yeah and you know he could have taken among dry land
elsewhere yeah the water seems like an added an added risk level one to end just kind of a dumb move
if if he were smart enough and look I'm giving him a lot of credit when I say some of these things and and I and I
know that I'm just speculating on a lot but if he was smart enough to choose a victim because they put themselves on
the dead end side of the bridge that's a tactical move why would he then do something as stupid as to lead them
across the water when there's so much other dry land right in the immediate area that you
could have just directed them that's where I almost wonder did they did they decide to make
a run for it at some point or did he lose control of the situation they fled yeah that's that is one of the things
that opt-in questioned so the thing that always comes to my mind is the shoe that
was left right did that fall off while she was fleeing and running or did that come off because the perp was dragging
her or she's or she's trying to run full speed across across the water I mean we've all done that in your shoes
immediately become soaked and super heavy and you can you can easily slip out of one of the shoes in regards to
the clothing thing we do have statements from law enforcement that there was some
clothing that was found under or near the bridge so this would be kind of Downstream from where the bodies were
found the issue being is we don't have confirmation that it belonged to the victims or that it has anything to do
with the crime at all and then you have to wonder if it did belong to the victims did the killer
place them there for whatever reason or to like mislead them yeah my question is
depending on the type of crime committed I mean if a knife were involved right there would be blood
this person would most likely have blood all over themselves and would draw attention to themselves trying to leave
the area yeah so I mean unless those clothes underneath belong to the killer like he
had stashed something somewhere or you know he knew he was going to commit a crime that day and tried to plan to the
best of his ability or he left some of his items behind that were covered in blood
that's interesting too because one of the statements is that there was so much evidence left at the scene
so you have to wonder do they believe or do they know that he left some of his belongings there
and he does appear to be overdressed when he's on the bridge and one thing that I've come across many times with
people that do like they try to sneak into a home and steal things or break into a home and steal things that they
will often if they're if they're people that are experienced at doing this they will often wear multiple shirts
and maybe even multiple head coverings or at least one because they know that if they if anybody sees them if they're
if somebody spots them either in the house or fleeing the scene oh we gotta we got a male black shirt jeans
well if he sheds if in the in the process of fleeing the area if he sheds his black shirt now he's wearing instead
of a black sweatshirt he's wearing a white T-shirt you you might you might overlook him
when you see him again and so you have to wonder is he wearing extra clothing for
to protect his person or because he plans on leaving some of it at the scene if it does in fact get bloody so when
you said so much evidence at the scene um it made me think so a lot of times with criminals you know they're
obviously categorized as organized or disorganized when they leave evidence at a scene that is indicative of a
disorganized Criminal but if he were to have planned to leave evidence at the scene
it completely switches the mo on its head to where the perp is now an organized criminal which is really kind of
interesting and it you know it's like if we knew more we could probably figure it
out but unfortunately or at least share what the police know with the way that I
think this attack went down I think we're dealing with and you can't have a mixed a mixed offender as well that
shows signs of both organized and disorganized but I feel to me like with the planning that I believe was in play
here I believe we're dealing with an organized individual now did things get go sideways on him and his plan got
thrown out the window completely and it just got out of control that's a possibility I also wonder though too
with the word the vague word of evidence that doesn't have to necessarily mean that it's evidence against the
perpetrator it may just be evidence that there are things that the crime scene that tell them more exactly what
happened and how things went down and it doesn't really point to who committed it
it's just they can connect the dots and know kind of the general timeline and what took place when
but then on top of that you also have to wonder this being out in the open in a public place does some of that evidence
quote unquote evidence some of the stuff that you're collecting at the scene is it just just debris just things that
have been left by other people at other times and it has nothing to do with the case at all you and I talked a lot about
Amy I was just going to say that yup yup yeah they found her off the side of the
road they collected every piece of debris that they could find up and down that stretch of road and we have to
believe very little that little of it actually had to do with the crime at all when they say evidence you also wonder
does does that just mean we found all this stuff and we have to we have to go through it piece by piece
and try to determine if it if it means anything or not and you know that area too that they were found is technically
the property of somebody who lives farther towards like it's like the back end of somebody's property is where they
were found right Ron Logan yes thank you which is interesting in itself because they are approached we know they are
approached on on these Scenic Trails on these you know public land let's say and
then later found on this private land but yeah they they butt up to one another but I've I found that
interesting too and that's a question that comes up often too where people go well why didn't they scream and I I mean
I look at the location of where they were found eventually and where they were abducted and I go well
they may have and they just nobody heard them or the screams were so far off in the distance that
the people that heard them didn't know they were hearing screams right if you want to go like
soup super down into it down into the the weeds with me real quick on what what I think happened here I think the
pro a big problem with this case is that whatever he planned on doing it didn't it didn't work out it's that's not what
took place I think he was able to take control and have control for a certain amount of time and going back to the
theory of why take them across the water when there was so much other dry land that you could
Traverse with with your victims as you are directing them where to go part of the whole thing about blood on his
person did he plan for that I think he did plan for that but I think his plan for that was that he was going
to be leaving the area in a location where he didn't think he was going to be seen
so that might have just been good enough for him to not have to to put other things into
play there to to avoid that being spotted covered in blood one thing that's weird
is we have statements from local law enforcement that said that they did a cell they subpoenaed cell phone records
within a five mile radius of that day within the time of question so anyone whose cell phone pinged in that location
was contacted and questioned by police that's their words contacted and questioned by police I have to believe
that that involves a face-to-face conversation where you can see this guy especially where you think that you can
see him or make out his features from from the video that we have of him on the bridge
so that brings a whole nother thing into play here where and they stated that they looked
particularly hard at anyone who was new in the area or who was in the area of the bridge for several hours on that day
so they did what I call like a data dump and I've heard of this type of investigation tactic and
other investigations I also know that it it is rather difficult to to pull this off
this you know what they call data dump but it seems like they did either successfully or attempted to
so if if they were successful with it you have to take it a step further and go well
does that mean he was he was organized enough and sophisticated enough to not bring
his cell phone with him during his time at the monan High Bridge that day yeah I think I'm leaning more
towards that he did not have a cell phone on him yeah that's that's definitely seems
right either he's a dinosaur and just doesn't own one or he made a he made an a conscious effort to not bring it with
him they've also said that they don't know for certain if he took a vehicle you know if he drove a vehicle there and
left one there and fled in a vehicle or if he walked to this area I find it interesting I personally think that he
drove to the area but then that creates a whole different set of problems for the perpetrator of going undetected but
if he did drive to the area with this data dump investigation it makes me believe he didn't even leave
his his phone in his vehicle that it was just not a part of the plan at all it was purposely left out
and that's where you know I go back into the weeds and I say I think he was trying to direct them to a vehicle oh I
I don't think 100 I agree yeah I don't think that he was I don't think that it went down the way that he wanted it to
go down and that is a a big uh Kudos and thank you to the to Abby and Libby they
were you know we we have people on record saying that Libby was a hero because she filmed the bridge guy we
also have Mike Patty on record saying that you know Abby was a hero as well because the two neither one of them left
each other they they wouldn't have left each other they were best friends till the end
and then I take it a step further and say they're both Heroes because they fought back they whatever this guy
wanted to happen it didn't go down the way that he wanted it to that has led to evidence against him
that we will be able to use against him someday so let's talk about the connection between serial
killers and signatures so we know that law enforcement use terms like Mo and signatures to
determine how someone commits a crime and why they commit a crime or what their you know thought process is
so the signature for law enforcement to state that there are signatures available
it most likely points to the fact that they believe this person has offended before or will offend again
there's if it were a one-time crime there would be no need to even mention the signatures
that were there right because the signature is mostly wrapped up in the fantasy of committing this crime so
they've thought about they fantasize about committing this type of crime before and likely still fantasize about
committing this type of crime again and the signature is required by the fantasy
and not necessarily required by the commission of the crime itself right and if it did not go his way
it's very possible that the two girls were killed out of Rage because they did not follow his commands and he ended up
still performing some type of signature that could eventually be connected to his other crimes or future crimes
so I I think that's very telling by them stating there are signatures that they've noticed in the crime and I
too I had written down as well they used the term red flags as well so I I just really in my gut and I've
I've actually consulted a couple different Professionals in the field and I asked them why would
law enforcement state that there are signatures in a crime if they think it's a one-time offender and the answer is
they don't they do not think it's a one-time offender so you know take take everything with a grain of salt but
I think they're by saying just this little statement they're saying a whole lot with it there
are some suspects that are known to the public and even their the Wikipedia page
has four or five listed there do you like any of those suspects we don't need to go through each one but are there any
of those suspects that you like and if so why and if if you don't like any of them
what are your thoughts or suspicions on who this guy could be just looking at the crime itself I've always thought
it's some type of a truck driver some type of a delivery driver something like that to where there could have been a
vehicle stashed somewhere and it would have not it would not have raised red flags in the area
um and you know if that were the ultimate goal to get the girls there that would make sense because that's his
domain that's his area that's his property so that being said fairly recently I want to say close to
the beginning of the year there was actually I'm in a couple of the um I'm on a couple of the Facebook
groups about the Delphi case just to watch to see what people are saying most things I don't take
completely seriously um just because again too it's all speculation you know all of this is
speculation but as of late there was actually a man who came onto the group claiming he believes that his brother
committed the crime I believe this person is already in prison So currently he's overweight about the
same height somewhere in the same range as what they had originally said at the time he would have been much
thinner and another thing too we forgot to mention is about the Gate of the person
on the bridge so I I've seen a lot of arguments as far as whether or not this person is walking
very particularly because it's unstable or is it because they have some sort of a limp this specific person is from the
area was a truck driver and has a limp he had had knee surgery or something like that
so at the time he would have been about the same size as the suspect's dimensions so very lightweight on the
shorter side so I had actually ended up messaging the brother of this person just to find out
whether or not he is he's communicated with law enforcement and he did message me back and state that he has
communicated with them in the Delphi police are aware as well as the FBI so as of right this moment that is what
my gut is telling me um that he looks really good for it why isn't this why isn't this thing solved yet why do
you is there any one thing that you think you can hone in on and point out that you think that hey
this is what they need or this is why they can't find this guy well I think one of the main reasons is time has
become the enemy in the case [Music] if and you know we can always say if right if this happened then we would have them
if this happened I really believe though and I think we talked about this in the Amy mihalovic
case as well why sit on evidence for that long that could potentially identify somebody and we know with Amy's
case they did not know it was even connected right with this case though they knew that was
a video and they did not release any of it they they sent out a still frame of a
person and then they sent out a sketch that was later changed and I I mean I think
unfortunately I don't know if it was a strategy of law enforcement to not let the individual know how much they had it
first um but I mean like my God the the man is captured on tape his voice is captured
on tape there's a video of him available like what what else is it going to take
to be able to find this person I mean I really do think that whoever did Commit This somebody knows it was them whether
it's a family member close friend they know but they just have not spoken up and be I mean with that amount of
evidence it would be very difficult to not identify but at the same time I do think if this
information would have been released previously I have a feeling it would have been
solved by now one thing that has taken over my mindscape in the past few days more so than the statement of there were
at least two or three signatures or at least x amount of things that were odd about the crime scene
is I've heard several of the investigators that are at the very center of this investigation
say the same thing and this is in regards to them talking about the crime scene and potential
evidence as well stating that we all thought this would be solved very quickly we all thought it
would just be a day maybe a couple of days makes me wonder what happened that's that prevented that from being
the case these are seasoned investigators these are this is not their first rodeo and they're all
sharing that same opinion from different agencies what changed in the investigation that
prevented that from happening or you'll wonder do they did they think that they had something that they did not
did they think that they had something of evidentiary value that turned out to not be
of any value at all like they focused too much on one or two things that they should have been looking at the bigger
grand scheme no not that they mishandled it or went about it the wrong way just they they thought they had something
that that it didn't turn out to be what it appeared to be on the surface at the crime scene or uh in relation to the
case yeah hmm but to have different individuals from different agencies all say that same
statement and then later we have Doug Carter saying well we think we were on to something early on in our
investigation and that he has that statement right around the time where they're changing directions they're
taking the investigation in a New Direction you know when we get the new sketch I think the reason why this thing might
not be solved I think Bridge guy has a helper hmm and I don't that doesn't necessarily
there's I think there's something helping him and it's working against the investigation
I think there's an added step there's something extra that law enforcement are up against here that they may not even
be aware that they're up against and what I mean by that is a helper to I don't even know that it has to be a
person it could be some form of Technology it could be a person and again the the person
themselves doesn't necessarily have to be a full-on 100 accomplice it could be somebody that just aided in
some manner to this individual and may not even know that they've helped Bridge guy
right and what what any of this could be could be it could be a false Alibi you could get that with some kind of
technology or a person maybe the person does know what you've done but you have a false Alibi that that
looks and it passes the smell test to investigators to where you are not on a certain list now because you have this
Alibi but but in fact it's not a truthful one at all you could also come up with a false
Alibi based off of technology and I and I don't know exactly how or what I don't
have an idea of what that would be but if you had somebody I think the problem is a lot of people
point out to you well you want somebody that had a type of job or lifestyle that
means that they did not have to be accounted for during that time because they've always told us in their General
profile that this person may have missed an appointment or had an unexcused absence from something during or around
the time of the murders so if they if they didn't if that has not worked on on apprehending this
individual then you go well maybe this person did not have to be accounted for that day at that time
and that was my belief for a long time I'm starting to wonder if if this individual maybe they spoke to
them or spoke to the helper and there's something telling them that this person could not have been in the
area at the time but they in fact very well could have well it's interesting too at that at the
announcement they had last year in April um do you remember the comment they they
made to the perpetrator who may very well be in this room and they stopped talking
that has stuck out to me too and I think it stuck out to a lot of people and a lot of people noticed both
of them looked in a very specific area of the room did you notice that yeah I noticed that
I I thought that um one the rumor I heard in regards to that was that there was somebody in the room
that has not been fully Cooperative with their investigation um and they might be suspicious of the
individual because of that but I've also heard from the press that was present there that day that they had a different
feeling in a different sense yes they were all kind of in shock when they heard that statement at first
and thought well the killer could be in the room but I got the feeling that none
of the the press that that spoke about their experience that day left there thinking that
that police believed that the guy was actually in the room I do think that they purposely because
remember they announced I think they made the announcement on Thursday or Friday that they were going
to have an announcement in the case on that Monday on the following Monday so I think they purposely did that with the
intention of giving the bridge guy enough time to get there should he want to attend that press conference right
and what was interesting to me too is the murders took place on a Monday maybe they're just going off of something as
simple as well he was available on that Monday is there a chance that he's still
available on Mondays let's make the press conference on a Monday that's an interesting thought
that's a really interesting thought I really can't shake and I know it seems so stupid and dumb and out of bounds
right now but I cannot shake the fact that I'm I'm really starting to think he had some kind of helper in some way and
I I'm and I mean is that somebody that's providing a false alibi is it somebody that dropped him off in
that area right is there is it somebody that that was not there for the abduction or the killings themselves but
was going to be a part of something later and then that's where I go back to maybe that's why he passed on the
potential of one victim and went went after just gonna say that oh my gosh that's why I mean that's a really
that could explain the two victim choice and there's a good chance that law enforcement knows this
and you go well why would they hold that back are they trying to appeal to one of one
of the perpetrators right to turn on the other one because under that scenario you may have two
people and and my belief is if it was if he did have a helper that the bridge guy
is much more guilty of much more horrible crimes than what the helper would be guilty of and you wonder does
Doug Carter come out with that statement that I believe that you still have just
an ounce left of I can't remember his exact words but he's he's trying to play to somebody
that might have some form of remorse or some form of guilt of their involvement in this and get
them to come forward give them the chance to come forward yeah that helper theory is really that's really
interesting Melissa thank you for coming on today I really appreciate it was fascinating discussion and hopefully we
will be talking very soon when this case is solved or going to try I sure hope so
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County Comet that they have DNA and a partial fingerprint of the suspect that they are seeking in the double homicides
of the Delphi murders if anyone has information you can reach the tip line at 844-459-5786 until next week be good be
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Brief Summary

Nick and Melissa discuss the Delphi case, focusing on the unsolved murders of Abby and Libby, investigation challenges, and potential evidence.

Key points

Discussing the Delphi Case. Nick and Melissa dive into their thoughts on the unsolved homicide case.
Withholding Information. Nick questions why law enforcement is not sharing more details about the case.
The Bridge Guy's Movements. The suspect was recorded approaching the girls quickly, raising suspicions.
Odd Crime Scene Observations. Robert Ives noted unusual elements at the crime scene, hinting at deeper issues.
Speculation on the Crime Scene. Discussion on the implications of 'signatures' found at the crime scene.
The Bridge Strategy. The suspect uses the bridge as a tactical advantage to control his victims.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

The audio haunts me.

An investigator reflects on the haunting nature of the video and audio from the case.

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Tension

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