Delphi Murders /// Under the Bridge /// Part 3 /// 511 | Forensic Files

thank you [Music] [Music] directly to the killer who may be in this room only a coward can do such a thing
what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls
only a cow wouldn't do such a thing don't give up we will not stop skip give us give me one more time sorry if you
already did but I don't think we have heard it yet the and I know the story has changed a couple times but what is
Cheyenne saying she she arrived parked where walked to where and we know that at 3 49 according to her story she's
posting a picture online that she says she took that day yeah she said she got there at 2 50.
um originally said 350 but that again she said she got there at 250. said that she ran into a girl she was with or knew
around that had that had gotten there about 2 30. and that girl's name is that girl's name is believed to be Cheryl
laufler okay and uh they went to the other side of the bridge was around the bridge she said the picture was
supposedly taken around three o'clock the girl she knows goes with her yes and the pic the picture was taken around
three o'clock well she's on the bridge at three o'clock how did she not hear the girls FSG was just coming from the
bridge when he saw Derek about 3 15 320 said heard a couple arguing under the bridge did she not hear that
she's standing right on the bridge at three o'clock yeah and that makes absolutely no sense because she'd have a
clear sight to the crime scene and she would obviously be able to hear something she claims not to hear or see
anything I mean she's on the she's on the bridge in question I mean I don't I don't um I don't understand sound travel
is usually pretty well in an area like that you know in a hollow where there's where there's water and FSG
we don't know if he says he saw Cheyenne or not he never says he said he's never said he
saw Cheyenne okay that doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that he didn't tell law enforcement that he saw her but it
but as far as we know we have no no statement of him saying that he witnessed her or saw her and another
young woman on the bridge right yeah we only we only know about his statement from from Derek what are your top five
reasons to make DP the number one person of interest um he's uh changed his story
he uh looks like the second sketch he is uh he knew the girls he uh was at the crime scene the day of the murders
admittedly he's again he's he's changed stories multiple times he he injected himself into the case
he changed his appearance you know that and I'm going by things that that you know the uh
law enforcement said that to look out for a bridge guy you know so those would be those would be the things I think
that you know the five or six things like you asked I agree him putting himself at the scene is very difficult
uh that's a that's a very that in itself is a hurdle I mean it works that way with every case the
person who finds the body the last person to see a person those are always suspects uh and you lump those two in
with the same high probability that you would a boyfriend a husband or anybody on their Inner Circle so that that's of
Interest he's there we you know by his own words he is there and then we have someone else who says he was there as
well sounds like we're questioning her information but be that as it may it sounds like he he was there second
yes his story changing is is difficult why why put yourself there and then change your story unless it was
necessary to uh you know keep keep some kind of false story going but I do want to throw out
that eyewitnesses are known to lie to law enforcement if they need to protect themselves and if he was at that park or
meeting somebody at that Park to to have an affair to me that's reason to believe
that that somebody would lie to law enforcement possibly but and I get what you're saying Captain you're you're
absolutely right about that but my my hunch here would be if if behind closed doors they
thought that they're questioning his story they're going to say look we're investigating a double homicide
here we don't care if you were down there smoking a doobie or meat hooking up with some girl on the side we don't
we need to know what actually happened yeah and why you were there because if not then you're you're at the top of our
list and that's where I go and I agree with you skip I I 100 percent where it does appear and I'm going off of the
words that were used by Doug Carter uh in the April 2019 press conference according to what he's saying they were
absolutely shifting gears they had shift gears sometime before that press conference and uh now they were happy to
announce it to the world specifically to the killer himself so you're right something had to have happened or they
went down the wrong path misguided misled at some point early in the vest investigation or at least prior to April
uh 2019 where where I have um more questions is that the the things that the things that could lead you to
DP even early on they're all there for you it's not difficult if what if what we're saying
or what we're speculating is in fact true it's not difficult to see a connection
here uh he he knows one of the victims on Facebook says he knows the victims maybe personally or acquaintances or
somehow lives lives near there he's he's there and and he has a person that's supposedly with him that we don't know
who that person is we can't we nobody we don't have any information stating that
there was an actual person with him I what I'm getting at is and I get what everybody's saying about the small town
Factor but this I mean delphi's City police have been involved Carroll County has been involved the sheriff's
department they Leslie claims that they're the lead on the on the case if you had to pick one but ISP is there and
the FBI are there very very quickly and the FBI and I don't think even Indiana State Police are going to get bamboozled
by somebody that's well to do in a in a little town you know we've had uh early on in this investigation per Doug Carter
his words are that over 150 officers have touched this case in some form or fashion and that's throughout the state
of Indiana the other thing I want to ask you about Skip is the this was new information to me uh you
you said gbi was involved in the investigation correct yeah in 2018. and clarify I'm not questioning that I just
had not heard it tell the listeners and me why gbi was involved again because that's that's the Jer the I'm assuming
you're mentioned talking about the Georgia Bureau of Investigation yes that's correct
um It's Not Unusual for law enforcement to bring in another group as for a peer review if they are if just if the case
is not developing like they thought and uh just a fresh set of eyes they brought
them in for that and it wasn't like I said they came in and did uh looked at it looked at it from
like it was a brand new case looked at everything from the beginning you know left and uh not long after that then
that's when the press conference was when they changed gears uh so I think you know my point is is that if they
came in with fresh set of eyes and and they may they may have taken the bias out of the investigation that hey you
guys have been looking for the wrong guy because you're looking for rsos and serial killers if you're looking for the
guy that what you think uh he looks like in this video and and in the sketch when the fact is
he may not be you know and and uh that's why that's why that's uh they I don't know how exactly how long they
were there or were involved with it um I just know it was in in 2018 maybe up until even early 2019 but that it's not
unusual to bring somebody in like that the one thing that did change though for the state of Indiana
not just for this investigation but others I believe it was in 2018 that the state started collecting
uh those convicted of a felony can uh collecting their DNA yeah and so and that's one thing that I
think is a little unclear as far as the Nationwide concept of what's going on in
Delphi and the investigation itself is you know people keep saying well if they've got DNA why didn't they pick up
their guy they he you know he would be one he has to be in a certain database right like it's not just uh if if you
have DNA but nothing to match it to you're not going to find the person that you don't you don't punch it into your
DNA machine and it spits out a name that says oh you want to go look for the crispy Colonel he's somewhere in
Columbus and here's his phone number that's not the way it works they they get a DNA profile and if there's nothing
to match it to there's nowhere to go and yeah one thing that definitely changed from from the information I've collected
and I you know I'm I'm fallible like anybody else but uh this in 2018 is when they made that mandatory that if you're
convicted of a felony in the state of Indiana you submit your DNA so if Bridge guy
whoever he may be has a felony or sexual assault or anything that you know rape something
in the state of Indiana prior to killing the two girls on in 2017 he likely isn't in their debt any of
their databases yeah and one thing law enforcement said also is that you know it appears this guy hasn't committed any
crime so that's right that tells me that maybe the evidence they have with the partial
fingerprint or the DNA doesn't have enough markers maybe they don't have enough to identify maybe they maybe they
have enough to rule out but not identify right and you have because you have multiple agencies working this case and
yes they're working hand in hand and they're working together and I and I do think that they've done a lot of good
work even though we sit here and and speculate as to who may have done this and why it's not been solved all these
years later you know you have one agency that says yeah we do have fingerprints and we do have DNA in this case and but
then when another agency is interviewed they're a little more clear saying yeah if we do have that we just don't know if
it's suspect DNA or suspect fingerprints we know that we have fingerprints and DNA that does not belong to Abby or
Libby that was found at or near the where we found the bodies uh we just we can't say until somebody's arrested and
charged we can't say if it belongs to the killer or not yeah and I think again I think the time frame plays a lot into
that about when when that question was answered because I think they were a little more forthcoming early on but I
think once they run once they realize that this guy has this guy follows the case may is involved maybe even social
media including forums and things that about the case listens to stuff like this I think
that's when that's when they decided to shut it down because they didn't want they didn't they don't I think they
believed that he has been doing that all along and was possibly the reason for changing stories
is because he was getting information that they were putting out and changing to whatever you know him you know was
whatever was to his benefit so they shut up they say they just shut all the information down
and I don't blame them and and going back to you know law enforcement I think they've done a great job I think I know
there's a lot of people out there who say oh law enforcement doesn't have anything and and they've done a terrible
job they screwed it up totally I don't think that at all uh do I think the mistake was I think
yeah I think I think the mistake they've admitted Tobe said mistakes have been made we you know try to rush to to solve
this he also said that they didn't identify an individual as a suspect early on to me
that's a pretty telling statement yeah that's basically saying that we identified them as something else other
than a suspect exactly well and to to really kind of credit the work that they've been doing
you know we did say or skip you said they may have been told by gbi hey you've been you've been looking in the
wrong direction you've been looking for a serial killer or a Serial offender or uh sexual predator and uh but but to to
be clear and to to credit ISP and those involved they didn't seek out Daniel Nations Daniel Nations be he
came onto their radar because of you know violent illegal activities that he has uh been doing and then they're
going oh by the way he was he was here uh at that time and and should be somebody that should be uh definitely
looked at and I I one thing that I really get a little angry about uh in this case and some people's perception
of the investigation itself I've heard several people talk about Tobe lessenby like he's some kind of Don
Knotts Sheriff out of uh Mayberry and that's not the vibe I get at all I've uh I've I get their County newspaper he has
a weekly column in there that discusses different uh pieces and parts of law enforcement and the job that they do as
sheriffs as the the Protectors of Carroll County uh he's very much dialed in I I wish people would would open up
their minds a little bit and um toad lessenby to me comes off Skip and maybe you'll agree with me and
I I know the captain does but he comes off to me as somebody that wants to say more to the public about the case the
evidence and the investigation but in being respectful with the people and agencies that they have partnered with
in this investigation I think he's politely holding back yeah I would agree 100 I think I I
always think about the the uh the statement he made about you know I know that voice who is that you know
um that was that to me that was uh it seemed like he wanted to say more there you know I think whether it's whether
it's saying things debate the sky or or whatever it is I agree with you I think uh I I just don't understand the people
who say you know who who rip law enforcement for um they got it let's see look if they
got if they got LED astray by somebody and there's uh that's not the worst thing that's ever happened I can promise
you you know and they and that's why again I go back to Carter saying at the 2008 press conference that we're just
beginning I think that they realize that all that stuff they had Learned was all
based on false information um and so going forward here's our new guy here's the car we believe he was in
we believe he's definitely local and that go and that and that's in debt in in direct contrast with what they what
they said originally you know I mean why would you be putting Billboards all over
the country if you thought the guy was local they were just looking for the wrong guy
now why was that I think I know but other people have you know other people have opinions as well but they
were they were looking for the wrong guy and now they're now I believe they they're zeroed in on who they own who
they should be well and I think that there was a chance that they were you know with the um the the businesses and
the the traffic through that area would lead them to because when when you've worked let's say you've worked in
Carroll County Law Enforcement your whole Adult Career a child abduction murder is one half of
one percent of the homicides each year in this country that very rare so most most law enforcement uh officers and
even an agency as a whole you could have a 20 30-year career and never experience it never be involved in
an investigation like that and if you know if I woke up tomorrow and there never was another child abduction
homicide ever again praise God but um it's it's a rare crime and I think that your the gut reaction of most people
regardless of Delphi Carroll County Indiana or Columbus Ohio the Florida Panhandle or Texas or California
regardless of where you're talking about other than like New York City or Los Angeles or Chicago most people the gut
reaction is it it had to be somebody that came in and did this to us did this to one of us and left and you're exactly
right I mean it was the next day as soon as they knew as soon as they found the girls at noon
and the the release from police has always been we knew we knew very quickly their words were very
quickly I have to believe you could replace that with immediately that this was a homicide and what backs that up is
that within that hour three three uh roadblock checkpoints are set up at least three that I found where
they're interviewing drivers and passengers and stopping vehicles and one of the statements they had was that that
day they uh spoke to at least 600 people in cars yeah and you're right and that they were
looking for someone that would want to leave the area that may not may have just came into the area days before now
uh one thing that we've not touched on on True Crime garage yet and we've covered this case a bunch and Skip again
thank you for your time today talking with us about this case again is in regards to that nationwide manhunt
which until the guy's caught it's always going to be a nationwide manhunt but in
regards to those Billboards one thing that I found incredibly interesting was that on on the Billboards that were
first put up of the picture of of bridge guy and one thing we I like to underline too when we
talk about the the picture of bridge guy that is the best photo that is the best
video that we have of bridge guy so to think otherwise is is silliness but they were posting the picture of bridge
guy on these Billboards and early on it said you know do you know this man last seen
February 13 2017 2 30 P.M which I find to be incredibly interesting because we know the Snapchat
photo was posted there were two Captain asked if there you know if they were taking more photos or whatnot police
would know that they found Libby's phones they've analyzed the family would know that but that that has never been
released so we people just speculate about that and and so we know that she posted two
photos and the stamp that we get on those is 207 pm and they would know based off of the video from finding her
phone and analyzing the phone when the video was taken and we've already said based off of uh technology what what it
tells us in regards to the sun and the the bridge and the shadows and whatnot it's believed that the Abduction of the
girls took place between 220 and 2 40 p.m that afternoon very interestingly enough those
Billboards say 2 30 p.m I almost have to wonder is is the time stamp on that video or on
her phone of that video 2 30 P.M when he's last seen on the video because the other statement we have is from I
believe it's from Anna who is uh Abby's mother that says you know Becky Mike and Anna
watched they were allowed to watch and hear the video and Anna says that she could hear audio
after there was she could no longer see anything so at some point that video goes It goes
dark it's it's just recording Blackness maybe it's you know doc maybe Libby's holding
it right up against her leg maybe she put it in a pocket um as Bridge guy got closer but there
was audio that could be heard and that's where we get the down the hill from as well so I wonder if that video is
and they they put 2 30 p.m because they that's the time stamp of that video that's a
that's a good point um and would make sense you know because when the the uh picture was uh put up at
207 they weren't all the way across the bridge I think they were about maybe two-thirds or about halfway so it would
have taken them a little and you don't see you don't see him in the background coming yet so
it would have made sense that they would have kept walking going back toward the
end of the bridge because they were at the end of the bridge when they were filming him uh so that would make sense
time wise also um makes sense one of the reasons I said 230 to 3 30 underneath that bridge
because from what I gather from this guy who I locally I know who said that they
that law enforcement knows that BG was around 20 minutes after Derek had gotten there so if they know that then they
know he was around till about 3 35 approximately um so say that again say that again that
law enforcement knows he's on there were several things he told me that everybody
wasn't privy to one of the things was that they know law enforcement knows BG was there until 20 minutes after Derek
had had gotten there so he got there about 3 15 that puts BG there till 335. now he didn't explain how they know that
I'm a guess I'm guessing it probably had something to do with them seeing him leave at us you know because if you
remember Earl early on there was a law enforcement asked if anybody saw anybody walking along uh the Hoosier Heartland
Highway uh that afternoon with a duffel bag Well yeah if you parked at the CPS building and if you even if you left the
bridge and went through the woods and and exited there you the the the CPS building sits right
in between Highway 300 and the Hoosier Heartland Highway okay and you and you have it's a wide open view so if he was
walking from where the where the trees start to there and somebody saw him that very likely
could have been who they saw walking from there to the CPS building you know so because they would have seen him they
would have thought he was walking along the Hoosier Heartland highway but he's actually walking or coming from the
woods but that's what that's somebody who where somebody saw him walking so I think that's a possibility that that's
how they know uh that time they just put it together from how long it would take
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that were there better than than I do so while we have you on the phone here I want to make sure that I ask you this
there was a statement and this plays along what exactly what we're talking with right now
there was a statement that I found early on that said a woman I couldn't find much more about this I
couldn't find you know the name of this woman but a woman who said that she saw a man
leaving the cemetery that afternoon and I I I've been looking through my notes here this morning
trying to find if I if I wrote down a more exact time other than that afternoon and I I can't find uh a time
that I put with that so one thing that you know one thing that I found to be very interesting in this case but I do
this in every case and but is especially in this one you know we we're analyzing
What doug Carter was saying at the 2019 press conference under a microscope but you do that because that's not Doug
Carter just getting up there and riffing you know that's not just him talking off
the cuff that is a a statement that was pieced together very carefully by multiple people in a room together
agreeing on what we're going to be saying now we do have Carter who does later say there are a couple things that
he threw in there himself but the Gen but the basis of it is a statement that was put together by the investigating
collectively by the investigative agencies now I have to believe knowing what we know about John Douglas and the
FBI and uh things that they've done during his career in Roy Hazel's Wood's career and Robert ressler's career that
those words were probably pieced together very much with the help of the FBI or with their at least with
their advice so when looking at words and and how we choose to put out certain words and certain
statements regarding this case the investigation and such the evidence to hear a woman said she saw a man
leaving the cemetery that afternoon very interesting and it goes back to what you were talking about with the car
at the CPS building notice the witness doesn't say she saw a vehicle or a man driving a vehicle
leaving the cemetery which we know there were parking spaces there she says she saw a man
that to me implies a single individual male individual on foot leaving the cemetery that afternoon
and just just like you were saying skip about the um they were asking for a driver
you know that I believe I'm gonna try to get as yeah I'm gonna try to get it as close to verbatim as I can based off of
memory but they're asking they said if you parked a car there that day or you know someone
parked there that day we want to hear from you but they start off the statement with saying uh we are
looking for the driver of or if you know the driver who parked at the which again
we're really we're really kind of analyzing this and and being very suspicious about everything but it
almost sounds like we have we have there's at least some thought here that we think you may have
been driving somebody else's vehicle yeah the exact exact uh statement was we're seeking The public's help to
identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS DCS building welfare building in the
city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300. so yeah there are he's obviously they're
asking yeah I agree they're you know asking about the driver so seems it seems to uh makes sense that they would
know what who the car or the what the car is and who the car belongs to you know and kind of cross-referencing
information here with them saying we believe this person is either was either local at the time or has local ties to
Delphi you almost have to wonder did somebody did somebody see a plate and it was an
Indiana plate maybe they don't have the plate number but they recall uh yeah it was an Indiana license plate yeah I mean
it's definitely possible I and I think I think I find it interesting that that's
the first thing they they uh that they lead the press conference off that way you know
it is as the attention getter you know it's well and it's also weird like first impressions are everything right your
first impression and your last impression and it's it starts off with with that's the information we're
seeking oh by the way we're going to be giving you some more information which is I I don't I'm not going to pretend to
be you know somebody that understands how you should deliver things in the best way to get what you want from the
people you are addressing but it almost felt like when you're releasing a new sketch and then you're
releasing a a little piece of a video and telling the public that you're changing directions in your
investigation I felt like you know the captain and I watched that press conference together when it when it went
down that day and it almost felt to me like if I would have walked out onto the streets like Family Feud and interviewed
a hundred people I feel like 99 of them would have forgotten about the whole vehicle parked thing
by the end of that press conference yeah but not that suspect right yeah that's the thing I mean who who was he who is
he addressing that part too and that's why I think maybe he was it was he was letting the guy hey this this is the
part that had us confused but we figured it out well and if this suspect that you're talking about DP is Bridge guy
then he's Brash and if the rumors are true about the staging of the crime scene and some of the horrific stuff
that I've heard rumored to be you know they say he has a shred of decency left to come forward
maybe he doesn't but maybe somebody shall be Cheryl or the Cheyenne even though her stories
haven't lined up and maybe they could come forward and have some piece of information
and again law enforcement has said over and over just one piece of information is all we need and then we get this guy
and if you have any doubt that that you're covering for this person if you have any thought in your head that this
individual DP is responsible for these murders you have you owe it to yourself you owe it to the community you owe it
to those two girls you over owe it to Abby and Libby to come forward and and talk to police and tell them the
true story why won't he come forward it's I mean this again it's hard to say why somebody they don't come forward or
whatever like I said there's there's a lot of reasons um it could be I would I would suspect and at least give them the
benefit of the doubt that it was probably innocent originally they didn't realize what they were giving a an alibi
for now I would say it's time it's time for them to uh to come clean and uh and tell what they
tell what they know you know and what about dp's girlfriend it's like again you probably have some information that
you could share with law enforcement and why aren't you doing that one he's saying that he was there cheating on you
so what kind of scumbag is that and and is that all you think you deserve in this world as a guy that cheats on you
or a guy that lies to you is that all you think you deserve maybe you should think that you deserve better
and come forward and talk to the cops and tell them what you know because maybe you're the missing link and you
owe that to yourself to your child you owe that to Abby you owe that to Libby I did want I did want
to go back to clarify one thing though about hitting about BG following the case and I think that's a because I
think that's a crucial part because I think the post-crime activity in this case is is is kind of is it has a lot to
do with what reason it led me to this was one of the things Carter said not too long in a television interview not
too long after the press conference he said I think the Killer is following this investigation very closely he said
when we and then they asked him about releasing the seconds he has he said when we decided that through the
information we received that we were going to release the second sketch I don't believe the individual knew we
were going to do that so it was really really important I think he was probably there or watching simply because he
thought we were on the wrong path I mean car I mean he's basically telling you what you need
to know there I mean he's basically saying the killer thought they why would the killer think they're on the wrong
path yeah because because he let him maybe because he let him down the wrong path
because he pointed him in that direction I mean you mentioned you mentioned earlier Nick that some things seems
simple there are things about this case that that are very simple but there's also it's also very complex in the way
in the in the uh I think in the post-crime uh stuff that's going on with all the misinformation and and
misdirection uh and false stuff that's been put out there and I think most of the stuff you've seen out there has been
kind of orchestrated I don't think it's just been by chance of people random people following the case
I think there's uh like the the guy did a good job for two years of keeping it keeping him off his truck off his tail
off his Trail they they've it's uh now that they're on it maybe maybe he's trying to do it through social media
yeah you what you're saying is I'm gonna expand on that a little bit to to kind of fill in some of the blanks there but
what you're saying overall is that we would be foolish to believe that at some point BG has not is not only listening
reading watching what he can find on TV and on the Internet or these garage podcasts whoever would be dumb enough to
do one of those but um that he's not only doing that but he could actively be throwing in weird
statements uh posting things like one of the victims was pregnant you know there was this found at the crime scene
or one of the Searchers said they saw this that day uh he could throw any of these things if if he if what you are
saying is correct Skip and you know people some people are going to listen to this and they're gonna they're not
gonna like you they're not gonna like me or the captain for having this conversation but the one reason why I
wanted to have this conversation with you and I hadn't spoke with you until until right now until today was the
theory was interesting on its face and it remains interesting after I speak with you not just because of the points
that you've brought up in the the interesting angles and things that you presented here
but also you are not one of these you're not one of these crazies that go this is what happened I know it all this
is how it went down and not willing to believe anything else and that's why I like talking with you today and I
appreciate you for being that way because so many people with this case in other cases have decided for whatever
reason they know exactly what happened and you can't tell them otherwise and anybody that says
otherwise is a complete idiot and I like to remind those people that if you were right then then why is it
not solved we won't know until it's solved and there's no harm in having these conversations and doing these
types of exercises when something is not solved there's no nothing wrong with looking at things from a different angle
under a different light from time to time and just asking the question why and you've done a great job of of coming
up with this Theory and and piecing it together um one is a pretty simple idea if you
claim that you're there and then your story has changed multiple times then what is the reason for lying and by
definition this eyewitness should then turn into a suspect this eyewitness should turn into a person of interest
and when you look at this case for the last four years every person of interest that has brought been brought to the
table no matter what crime they did or didn't do what you could never prove with any of those Persons of Interest is
that they were there the day uh that they were there that day at that bridge at that time frame
uh and we're capable of of those murders yeah there there's a lot of stuff that we hadn't had a chance to go over just
because of time but but um but like we've talked about before like having you be available to people
on the blog absolutely I'd be I'd be happy to answer any questions feel people fill people in
on any uh gaps they have okay and just and there's like I said there's more Nuance obviously in a case like this and
then um and we were able to talk about today you know I agree with with the caption about you know the basic things
there about you know why you a lot of law enforcement why do you you know law enforcement tells us that this guy's
following the case and they tell us that that there was a change in change in the
reason for the change and all that so there's a lot there's a lot out there and like I said it is simple but it's
complex you know we didn't talk about things like motive and all that kind of stuff but you know it's uh hopefully
hopefully the right person will hear uh and hopefully the right person will will
change their mind on what they think's the right thing to do well and you know with other cases uh Todd kohlhepp for
instance he went into Superbike gunned down a bunch of people killed them later he
took uh hostage killed the uh hostages boyfriend or husband and he was he was a felon before that he
was a convicted felon before that well everything I just mentioned to you are crimes that involved handguns and
firearms and and he should not have had those and we said on our show when we covered his case you know it would be
why is law enforcement not pursuing the person that gave him or sold him these guns in some Backwoods deal
because he's not allowed to to own them that person has some accountability in kohlhepp's crimes and it was probably of
course it wasn't at our doing we didn't have anything to do with it we're two two guys in a garage but it was months
later eight months later they arrested the person that sold them the guns here in this situation you have the same
thing if there is somebody that is providing this false Alibi or false narrative for having seen things or or
not seen things on that day in February in 2017 you need to come clean with that now
because there will be an aftermath this bridge guy will be identified caught and
convicted and when that happens you're the next one your your butt's on the fire next so you're fine now yeah I know
you probably are sitting here listening this going what do you mean I'm fine it's been four years Nick no you're fine
now because they don't know who BG is as soon as they know who he is that's when you're that's when your feet will
be held to the Flames so go tell them what you know now or if you if you made something up or if you just wanted to be
a part of it because it's something and you want to be something there's yes it's embarrassing yes there is some
shame that comes along with that but at the end of the day you can know that you
did the right thing and you can know that you you do you no longer can be held accountable because you've you've
you've said what the truth is now skip I don't want to get into any details but again my own curiosity
and kind of piecing together where I think what your overall story would be I've
always believed and I still do and will until we until we have all the answers that this
was a sexually motivated abduction and I want to leave it at that I want to be very clear about my thoughts that I've
always believed that this was a sexually motivated abduction it sounds to me like you without again
without getting into details and going too far down any roads here other avenues
it sounds to me like you feel this was a little more targeted at least one of the
victim was was a Target and this possibly was a personal cause homicide yes and and the other victim may just be
collateral damage unfortunately yeah sad okay it really is what's sad both both but of course yes
yeah I think I think you know a lot of people obviously a lot of people are following this case and there's a lot of
web solutes and I think a lot of a lot of those people have gotten things right I think there's a drug component here I
think there's a Revenge component but I don't think they're exact they're exactly the aspects of what people think
they are unfortunately this may fall back come back fall back on a family member in terms of not that
they were involved in the crime at all the source of this personal Vendetta may have originated there and I think that's
unfortunate I hope that doesn't go into have anything to do whether it's crime is solved or not but yeah I think I
think it's more I do think it's uh there is a drug component like I said in a in
a Revenge aspect but it but it's more personal than that [Music] join our discussion if you have
questions for skip he will be available he'll be answering questions on our blog
all week so make sure if you have any questions about the information he's putting out
you can ask him there at truecrime garage.com Colonel do we have any recommended reading for this week this
week Captain we are recommending alligator Candy by David Kushner this is from award-winning journalist and
regular contributor to Rolling Stone magazine David Kushner gives us alligator candy a memoir about family
survival and the unwavering Power of Love in 1973 David's older brother was murdered and decades later David found
himself unsatisfied with his memories of this tragic life-defining moment so he decided to revisit the episode Through
The Eyes of a reporter this is one of the best books that I've read in a while it's available in all forms but the
audio version with a brilliant performance by Bronson Pinchot is particularly good check out alligator
Candy by David Kushner and until next week be good be kind and don't live foreign
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Delphi, Indiana - February 13, 2017 - Middle school students Liberty German and Abigail Williams went for a hike on the Monon High Bridge Trail and were murdered. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. We are joined in the Garage by Skip Jansen to discuss a new suspect and a theory that is catching fire! Previous Delphi Murders True Crime Garage coverage includes the following… Delphi Murders /// A New Suspect episodes 486 & 487 - Delphi Murders /// 4 Years Later episodes 468 & 469 - Delphi Murders Discussion episode 395 - Delphi Murders /// Off the Record episodes 321 & 322 - Delphi Murders Revisited episodes 320 & 321 - Delphi Murders episodes 110 & 111

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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the Delphi murders, focusing on witness statements and the investigation's challenges.

Key points

The Killer in the Room. The discussion turns tense as the possibility of the killer being present is raised.
Questioning Cheyenne's Story. Cheyenne's timeline raises doubts about her proximity to the crime scene.
Changing Stories. The focus shifts to the suspect's inconsistent statements and their implications.
The Importance of Coming Forward. A plea for individuals with information to speak up for justice.
Witness Statements Under Scrutiny. Discussing the implications of changing stories from witnesses.
Sexually Motivated Abduction?. Exploring the theory behind the nature of the crime.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

How did she not hear the girls?

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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