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[Applause] [Music] [Music] well and that's why I think it's important to examine the possibilities
and the reasons why this has not been solved and I think think one thing that we can get into captain and part of it
that that we talked about last week was I kept referencing maybe the investigators have just been
unlucky maybe you know because you see this and you're like we got we got the video we got the voice we have
eyewitness statements they worked with FBI and and and again they might have DNA and I'm I'm going to quit saying
might I'm going to go with they do okay I I think that probably very quickly into this thing they realized that they
had DNA and they thought this thing was going to be over and done very quickly and then it took a while and they
realized this dude's not in any of the systems we can't we can't track this guy down that we have nothing to compare it
to and I think that's why you see there was a delay in putting uh take taking that still image and then releasing the
actual short little video there mhm and then there's the delay between that short that that still image and the
sketch the original sketch that comes out because what that didn't come out till what June or July of the year of
the crime there were several months that went by so here's one thing where I I wonder the one thing let's get into a
bunch of things where they've been where investigators may have just been Unlucky
One the no match of DNA we've already talked about that m two I think I'm starting to think that
the bridge guy's appearance on the pixelated video May almost give a false sense of his actual true
appearance and I think that that's working in his favor and working against investigators for one thing when you
first see the video right when you saw the still image didn't you think we were looking for like a pudgy guy like kind
of a kind of a fluffy fat guy mhm or or at least slightly overweight but then later when they release the video and
you see the individual walking you can see that those pants are the the jeans are a lot baggier than what his actual
legs may require right when you see that leg move you almost see that the legs are much thinner than those jeans
chicken legs and then you have to wonder how many layers of clothing is that's the thing that I wonder
why if for some reason he did stand out and he must of in some form or fashion because we have witnesses or believed
witnesses that think that they saw him on one of the trails I I don't know that the the
detecting factor for them would be that oh I saw a guy with wet jeans because we went through that
conversation last week you may not have been able to visually see and determine that his jeans were wet right they may
have just appeared to be a darker shade of blue but it was a warm day for February to me the guy looks at least on
the you know the upper half of him looks to be very overdressed for the temperature that day it almost appears
that he's wearing a hoodie or or something of significance underneath a jacket and one thing going in his favor
too here again I believe that there's there's a collar to that jacket there's a part of that jacket that's sticking up
at one point and he's looking down to watch his feet his foot placement on that bridge that's concealing his face a
little bit he may be wearing a hat or that might just be wearing a hoodie with the hood
up that I I feel like we're we're getting a false sense of his true appearance because it is a pixelated
video now here's here's the thing you were talking about do we have more video footage I think that there's more video
and this is pure speculation okay pure speculation don't don't put on the blog untrue I'm saying it this might not be
true I'm just guessing here I think that they have more video footage unfortunately I don't think that
there's so much video to watch what I mean by that is I think that shortly after Libby was filming this guy on the
bridge and he's very quickly making his way we're not seeing that clip in real speed I don't care what anybody says I
we cannot believe we're seeing that at real speed I think at some point she had to
conceal her phone from him either hold it in a way that she's not filming or it's not obvious to him that he's being
caught on camera or she stuck it in her pocket and that might that might be the reason why we're hearing the words and
it sounds muffled guys down the hill it may sound muffled because it might be in her
pocket right and and I think that her I think that she that the video was running and filming
it just might not have had anything additional to film because it was concealed in her pocket and I think that
her phone went dead so quickly anybody that's run the camera feature I mean well camera feature and or the video
feature MH the video recording feature on their phone realiz that kills your phone very quickly yeah and they were
saying very quickly her calls were going straight to voicemail they weren't ringing anymore and I I think that this
guy very likely did not know that he was filmed did not know that his voice was was caught on her on her phone and and
he left the phone there because look I I don't want to give this [ __ ] any credit but he's smart enough
he he he's smart enough that he's got away with this so far well let's not say smart because that that's one of the
things we lucky enough well I I think I got a better word for you one of the things that they were kind of talking
about in profiling this individual is he organized or disorganized and so I think there's a
lot of evidence that shows that he's organized uh and then but then not taking the phone that seems like
disorganization well you could take that either way I was thinking about that too
not taking the phone you go oh that's disorganized he didn't didn't plan it out didn't put much thought into it what
if he what if he did put thought into it in advance and he said I'm not taking any of their phones because what if they
trace their phones they can trace you know what if they follow the pings on their phones to me because I took them
with me what if what if he destroyed her phone at the scene not knowing that it captured any of his image or anything
like that cuz the phone's dead by that point or if he just just left it there or tossed it in the water yeah and ooh
tossed in the water is an interesting thing too because we talked about the clothing right the victim's clothing
last week we were talking about were they found clothed were they found in the nude were they found uh was
the clothing in fact ever even found if if they were if it wasn't on their person I still don't know the answer to
that but I did find I did find some info that was saying that um clothing may have been found in the creek and this
would be the point of Deer Creek that would be nearest where their bodies were found mhm so when it's but again it's a
very vague broad statement of clothing found in Creek we we don't know if it belonged to the
victims we don't know if in fact that there was clothing found in the creek but what I can say this is when when
they were searching for the girls there were helicopters that were flying overhead
and they were filming some of the search that was going on for the girls they've
not found the bodies yet you can clearly see three or four Searchers and the reason why you can see them is because
they're wearing those those those red like suits head to toe suits they're wearing
these red suits and they're in the water and there's clearly there's something there with them they're they're
examining something that they found there again that could have been the victim's clothing could have been an
item discarded by the killer that belonged to him it could have been yeah Libby's phone could have been a weapon
yeah I mean yeah one something was found in that water we don't we just don't know what the significance is one of the
rumors I hearing this week was that they were actually found um but they were wearing each other's clothes so whatever
they were wearing before it switched and again this is you know just one of those
random rumors and then it becomes well weren't they both wearing jeans is it possible that the shirts were just
changed um who knows um but yeah I mean there's again there's we talked about that a bit
and to me that would almost imply that the killer redressed them right or dress them it doesn't have to mean that that's
your mind goes they're uh sizewise they're different size girls and and but I could see a a situation where you know
the the pants were put back on correctly but maybe the shirts weren't so well yeah AB such a weird rumor that zip up
sweatshirt yeah so it is it's a weird rumor it's one of those it's one of those things that when you first read
that or see that it kind you're like whoa whoa what what is this and then I really start thinking about it I'm
like well we have a very short window of time and there's a chance that a lot of
things might have had to take place during that short window of time I don't know that I don't know that we have the
time to redress the victim and get that wrong afterward yeah I I I don't know and and
again the source that I have gone back to I I brought this up and again it was something that they just didn't want to
comment on but normally that like I said there's been several times where I've said oh
you know ask questions they didn't want to comment on it and that normally meant
it was it was correct so but I guess I shouldn't assumed that well and for anybody out there wondering where we're
coming up with this info because you know I'm sure somebody's going well they've not released even the cause of
death for either girl they've they've not released very many things true to the crime scene right so what is this
stuff you're even talking about well the way that this works for my understanding
is that some of keep in mind there were search parties out there looking for these little
girls some of these rumors are believed to have stemmed from people that were actually involved in the search yeah and
may have found the girls or may have been in there was a team across the creek at the same time time that the
team on the other side found the girls so we have this whole thing where we have multiple people that were in that
area may have seen something that's not been released to the public and may have
spoke and told somebody else of what they saw what they witnessed during those searches well or again or again we
have just made up stuff right from from people elsewhere that are that are claiming to have heard something yeah
but it's also such a small town 3,35 people something like that it's just like like we've talked a little bit
about it but like the Pike County murders um happened in an area where I used to work but you know a long time
ago I'd work one day a week in that in that town and just knowing some people from that town the rumors that I heard
were not things that you would hear I mean it would have ma made a fascinating um probably 10p part
episodes on on the rumor that I heard oh you you heard like hours of rumors we're
talking detailed detailed theories yeah with people's names and motives and why they
did this and why they did that why still what's still going on today that's in relation to the specific Theory and you
heard multiple theories that some of them would have taken 3 hours to explain and then then when the news broke that
they solved it it was none of them it was none of those theories it was yeah and
I'll try to make the long story short basically there was tons of these rumors based off of this guy that I worked for
um and there was all these weird rumors surrounding him and I worked for him for
a long time so I ended up calling him after I heard all these rumors and ask him what he thought it was mhm um
because this guy was very close to the family um every member of that family adult wise actually worked for him at
some point you know as like a freelance contractor or whatever and he simply said to me that
he thought the the involvement this was all based around the custody of of that girl and when he said that and and this
guy is a guy that he likes to exaggerate everything so you would think that he would want to tell these crazy Tall
Tales he said no I simply think it was a a dispute based off of um custody and then once they arrested the family up in
what Alaska that's pretty much what it all you know the Pike County murgers was all about was that custody issue um so
so it's strange I heard a million rumors and and they were fascinating and there
were great Tall Tales um and that's what I'm afraid that is going to start happening
here well I mean in a sense it has a little bit where you have all these people that are now considered suspects
by the public and then never publicly cleared by law enforcement I'm guessing they've checked these people and
probably not too interested in a lot of them um but you not only did you have that with the arrest of certain
individuals you also had that with the search warrants that were being filed and executed very quickly after this
this case broke right right so the the first one that hit the news was a a home a property on bicycle Bridge Road was
searched on February 16th 3 days after they went missing 2 days after they were found mhm this location is approximately
5 miles from the mon High Bridge a 99-minute drive from the area this was searched
and I don't know I don't know what their outcome was I mean obviously no arrests
were made in this in this search but then you have another search that took place in a
town called Peru Indiana this one took place on February 25th this is a different a good amount
away this is 37 mil away a 56-minute drive from the bridge the third search took place in
Lebanon which I think one of the one of the suspects or one of the suspects friends that we were talking about last
week Garrett ctz yeah was from Lebanon which is not um so this says my notes say 54
miles is the fastest route and the so this would be an hour and six minute drive from the bridge I
do want to point out with the Lebanon search the the papers were saying that they were uncertain of the the exact
date that the search warrant was executed uncertain of the exact address known which makes me wonder if it is in
fact connected to the deli murders or if it was just a search that was executed and people people's you know Minds right
right were were filling in the blanks and and that's what they came up with but obviously one that was connected was
the fourth search and probably the most public of all four searches was in Deli Ron Ronald Logan's property but they
didn't execute that S search warrant until March 7 1th now we all know that Logan
eventually gets arrested for illegally operating his vehicle but I mean this is a
guy if he's not connected which I don't think that he I don't think he looks like Bridge guy I don't think his
physical description looks like Bridge guy I don't think his facial or hair looks anything like what I'm seeing on
that little bit of little bit of footage on Libby's phone um so if this guy is not connected
he's been looked at very thoroughly he's been arrested on other charges we have to believe that if in fact they are well
he would have been arrested before you would be required to give the the DNA I guess I'm assuming now that he's in
prison that that they have that we know that his property's been searched but one thing I I didn't get to real well
with the the footage on Libby's phone I think that you probably have a lot of audio and I want to get into the audio
here in just a second but the reason why I think that we we only have a very short period of actual video that we can
watch and view M as opposed to video of the inside of her shirt pocket or pants pocket
is look the the video that they released Is Not Great remember I said maybe the bridge guy got lucky that his his
appearance his true appearance is not well depicted in that short camera footage right and and maybe
investigators just got unlucky with that and even though Libby did her best to to
try to out this guy maybe we're only seeing that short clip because that might be close to what
all that they have you have to believe that they would show us one of the better versions of of of him right right
because they could pull the audio out and show us the image and here's what I also wondered too
Captain going back to the audio you might have that that might be a part of the the tricky part of not answering
these questions for the public when they go oh you got to have more video right well we can't confirm that or deny it
they're not lying they may have more video it's just 39 minutes of 40 minutes of video is is unwatchable right it's
blacked out yeah and then on top of that so so for the audio then people go well
do you have more audio well they might but here's my opinion too if if you if this guy if Bridge guy had a gun if he
had a firearm there might be a decent amount of talking at the very early parts of
that abduction and the closer they get to the murder part of the Abduction the less
talking is going to go on at least from the perpetrator in my mind he's going to
direct them as he goes and unless they are unless they are you know trying to talk him out of whatever he's going to
do there might not be a ton of audio from him now I do find some of the stuff regarding cell phones to be very very
interesting in this case MH so what we were able to determine and find was actual footage of Mike
Patty he's the grandfather of of Libby he's he's talking the night that they are missing he's being interviewed for
the news the night that they are missing yeah and he's talking about they have already checked her Snapchat and her
social media so as terrifying as that is to think about we do know that by that point before midnight that night his
family the Germaine family the German family I'm sorry had seen the Snapchat photo taken from 207 p.m. of Abby on the
bridge right they were probably following her on Snapchat like they were connected yeah yeah and so during that
same interview is when he says that her phone had pinged around town a couple of times he does go on to
say let me see here his exact words I don't know exactly what time that interview was taking place CU I I don't
think that it was live I think it was filmed and then played but in the interview he's saying that
the phone went dead stopped pinging about four or 5 hours ago okay and that broadcast that I'm
talking about it came out before midnight that night so this is where everybody got all worked up and got all
concerned about the the Mike Patty's words a couple of things some people came out and said oh the family had
Libby's phone no that's not what he says listen to his words he says we were checking her
social media accounts we were checking things that we could check without having her phone my thought is because
of her age they either had her passwords and her login information or they followed her right right so they could
then just see what she posted but I think I think it's more in depth I think they probably had her login information
or passwords but I also think maybe if they didn't know that the the sister knew and and then that that way they
could just check that stuff you know cuz cuz they how are they going to have how
are they going to have her phone uh the night that they go missing when they haven't even been found
yet right right but but that's the thing though people mishar things and rather than double-checking it they sometimes
people are stupid right they just roll with it they just run with it and they're like oh he said they have her
phone and then then then they're like well that's weird why would they you know then they're starting to think that
the family's involved the family's not involved okay the family didn't kill these girls well the the direct family
that we know of right yeah but but but again then there's not a lot of suspicious on the outside members I'm
just saying but even even take that a step further then they're not covering for anybody
either right you know what I mean there's no there's no realistic reason to believe anybody would cover for
anybody if if you have those ties to the victims it just doesn't make any sense so so they didn't have her phone we know
that it's just something that people misread people misunderstood and then created that rumor and then on top of
that with it pinging with her phone pinging in more than one location through town it wasn't the phone wasn't
traveling around that night it wasn't going anywhere and at Kelsey later explains in her YouTube video The Town
is so small that in certain areas if you walk from one side of your property to the other side of your property your
your phone will ping off of two different Towers because that's just just the if you look at the cell phone
tower information in that area it makes sense it totally makes sense right and I
think this is not information that she just knew I think this is information that that they probably got from FBI or
right or some kind of law enforcement now the other thing with that though too then some people go well the the the
German family they seem to be going into panic mode very quickly it was only a very short period of time that you know
we're talk we talked about the timeline the other day it's it the longest that you can stretch it out is less than two
hours from drop off time to to the time where you're almost in full search mode you're you're a little over two hours
you're now alerting other family members new family members are showing up to the
scene looking for the little girls and then by 5:30 so at the very earliest that they got dropped off 130 135 140
somewhere in that time range and then reported missing to the police by 5:30 that night some people suggesting that
they're sounding the alarm very quickly but I think the problem with that is it's a little girl and I I don't
think people are putting enough thought into it so you know when you and I did we you and I did the exercise last week
where we were we were playing this scenario out out loud talking through it we're going okay well what what would
happen in this situation okay so Derek the father goes to pick them up it was arranged that they would be picked up
around the time that drik arrived and then on top of that he tried calling her at least twice nobody
answered the phone he walks around looking for them on the trails does not find them and then notifies Becky
Becky's the grandmother who gave permission to Libby to go to that area that day provided that she had someone
to drop them off and someone to pick them up and that those the drop off and pickup were pre-arranged that was part
of the rules so as soon as he notifies Becky it's a very quick call from Becky to
Kelsey to go did did you in fact drop the girls off are you still with the girls and then you hear from Kelsey yes
they were dropped off I'm at no I'm at my boyfriend's house I'm getting ready to go to
work it's not crazy to believe how much longer after that do they see the Snapchat photo of of video proof
evidence picture evidence of Abby on the bridge and then you're there looking for
them and you're going oh my God they they were here Nobody seen them what the hell's going on and mind you it's
febuary well it's going to get dark between 5:30 and 6:00 that night mhm go on I also things sometimes you just have
a gut feeling right that gut feeling is telling you something bad happened or is
the picture of bridge guy also in the Snapchat Feed so you see uh some pictures of them at the park you see
them going over the bridge and then the next picture you see is just of a of a man that would be alarming for any
father terrifying or any uh parental figure well and not only that even if they didn't see him on any of of the of
her social media stuff which which I don't I don't think that they did but again we don't we
can't say 100% Mike Patty arrives on the scene around 5:00 we know that once he gets there he goes to the mir's property
and while on the mir's property he's calling a friend of his who is a police officer we don't know what that
conversation is but you don't have to have much bigger of a brain than I got to figure out what they probably talked
about it's probably a friend calling in asking for advice going look man um I'm over here by moan and high bridge over
at the Park area been looking for my granddaughter we can't find her we only dropped her off about 1:30 to: 145 so
it's not been that long what should I do should I report her missing should I just sit tight what do I
do and that's just he probably got some good friend advice who's saying you know
what you got nothing to lose by reporting her missing right hopefully you report her missing and you find her
15 minutes later and we can call the whole thing off but right it was getting it was going to
get dark though and it was February and yeah so I don't think that not answering our phone I mean we live
in an age that we're all connected and so you can text somebody they'll text you back within minutes or you can call
their phone she's not responding to anything and I know I went on this long rant Captain but you said the most
important thing out of that whole that whole deal there it's a little girl it's a child mhm it's a child so it's your
baby I mean and it doesn't matter look uh it could be a 20-year-old that went missing when it's your baby it's it's
doesn't matter that they're 20 or 30 or 40 years old or whatever they are right it's still your
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not talking about Libby or AB cell phone I'm talking about cell phones of persons
who were in the area around the monin high bridge that day within that short window of time of when they went missing
maybe maybe even back it up a few hours beforehand maybe even back it up an hour
and a half or so afterwards remember they were interested in the car that could have been there as long as from
noon to 5: uh so the the report that I saw about this I found it to be incredibly
interesting because it kind of can take you down down two different roads here right so the the statement that I saw
was that they being law they being law enforcement have reviewed everybody's phones that were pinging in that general
area they've spoke to all of those individuals so that can take you two ways with with your thinking on who are
who is Bridge guy did he not bring a phone with him right or or I guess have it turned off
yeah did did he not bring a phone with him to that area that day yeah or the interesting other thought about
that is remember the statement from the last press conference on April 22nd where they very clearly say we may have
spoken to you of already Bridge guy when they're talking to bridge guy they say we may have already talked to you yeah
and then you go so that works both ways that that statement's probably very true
they've spoke to everybody's cell phone who was pinging in that area that day and it's either one of two things either
this guy didn't bring his phone with him or they've already interviewed him yeah so two things one if the
individual turned their phone off before they got into the area that is a well organized person um would make me feel
like it' be difficult for them to get caught also discipline I would think that even if this is the first attack or
the first murders by this individual that they they're disciplined enough to um wait out for the right
opportunity but back to what you're saying about the press conference when he says they might be in
this room I think that's like the scariest line of the whole part you know we might have talked to you you might be
in this room right now and that I think that's the that every time I watch that um press conference it
gives you chills and and just like the weird weird actions uh not I don't want to say weird but like there's there's a
nervousness in his presentation where you kind of Wonder does he see somebody that's making him that way it's a very
strange press conference the yeah that was uh you and I talked about that with within hours or even a couple days of
that press conference and one thing you were pointing out you're like well when he said this person might even be in the
room is there somebody in the room that he is mean specifically that he saw somebody in the room that he does not
like for any number of reasons whether they're not being cooperative in the investigation or there's some other form
of dirt bag or whatever is is he just upset with that person's presence or do we have a
situation where they've really done their homework on this and said you know what we've talked about the strategy of
the super cop we've talked about the strategy of publicly calling the killer a coward and calling him a loser and all
other different kinds of things you can call him there's a strategy in that is there anything where he's going you know
what I have to play a specific role during this speech during this press conference and could that have been too
much for him maybe could it have put him on edge a a little bit maybe I thought he did a hell of a job I I don't know
exactly what he was supposed to be portraying there but I think that that was I think the words of that were not
only planned out I think where they appeared in order was extremely timed out planned out as well I think his
demeanor was somewhat uh decided upon in advance that you know don't be afraid to
lean into the podium to look aggressive right don't be afraid to appear to get angry at certain points during your
statement don't don't Afra be afraid to to throw out a sentence and leave a long pause between
to the next one don't be afraid to to be theatrical with some of it I think there is a lot
of a lot going on there it's I you know I give I want to give him a a lot of Kudos there because it's a lot for one
person to do yeah there were other law enforcement there present that day obviously a lot of them just standing in
the background and and this guy had to do it all by himself with the with the whole the whole presentation there and I
thought he did a fantastic job um but I but it also goes back to what you were talking about earlier the
the motives the method of operation the how organized could this killer be personally I think he's probably
extremely organized to the point where I think he planned out where he parked his
vehicle mhm I think that I think he put thought into not only stepping foot onto
the crime scene but also fleeing the crime scene and the placement of his vehicle was thought out as such that it
has to bode well for both of those scenarios then on top of that I think the reason for the baggy clothing on top
and and the multiple layers on top is he brought everything with him that day to
kill somebody he brought everything that he thought he was going to need in that
scenario to kill somebody and it's all concealed under those layers and that might be another reason why he may
appear to be chubbier or more heavy set than what he actually is and again we might just be getting a bad a bad look
at this guy and again I think they're giving us the best look that they got from her her
footage now there there is one interesting part in there if you really slow that that that small CLI down
there's a part where it looks like somebody may have blocked something out from that picture that may may for just
a split second that we saw something that the public is not supposed to see I don't know if it would have been a
weapon or or or something else it would have to be something significant it wouldn't be something there's no reason
for them to to disguise this individual anyway so they're not trying to to stop us from
seeing him from seeing Bridge guy but I I think that they're concealing something there that might be the gun as
he approached the girls mhm the other thing that I want to address here real quick is is a couple things we John
Douglas you know my hero you're my hero John Douglas you're my hero I still think we should the Wayne's World we're
not worthy we're not worthy we're scum I saw uh a short interview with him after
the 422 press conference and look it was one of those interviews you ever see like an interview where the you
know John's just standing there it was supposed to be just a casual real quick interview but you ever see one where
they they have the interview they've clearly brought it back to the news station they've cut it up the way that
they want to cut it up but instead of just letting you view the entire interview there you're getting the news
anchor that just talks the whole time and they'll show a very quick little answer of his I would have loved to have
heard everything he had to say about his thoughts on who bridg guy is and what's
going on with the investigation but the one thing he did say which which was fascinating but it's also not
like it's not like the most brilliant thought that nobody else would have thought of but when he heard the audio
of guys down the hill guys down the hill he was saying that the the casualness of
choosing the word guys it he said it almost felt to him like it was somebody that was used to
talking to people of that age yeah addressing a a group of people in that age and he almost felt like it was like
like something he would expect to hear a teacher say you know guys come on bu driver yeah guys cut it out right guys
all right it's time to come inside you know something like that um I found that interesting one for for multiple reasons
but but one just the simple fact of who would have been available at that same time Bridge guy that's the thing in
their profile when they're talking about identifying who the suspect could be who
Bridge guy could be this is somebody that was unaccounted for for a certain period of time on February 13 2017 this
is somebody who have may have made up an excuse why they were accounted for during that time here's the other
problem though this is where law enforcement may have just got unlucky this also may be a guy that did
not need to be accounted for that day for any number of reasons maybe he doesn't have anybody to answer to maybe
he has nobody he lives alone works for himself was unemployed you know there there's a
bunch of reasons why he wouldn't have anybody to answer to yeah in a garage yeah yeah with his friend with his
podast can't remember what day it is yeah um but no these are all reasons why law enforcement might just be Simply
unlucky at this moment and Bridge guy is getting lucky he his I hate Bridge guy his luck will run out his luck will run
out but the reason why I point this out is there's starting to be as soon as that second sketch came out there's
starting to be a lot of people that have concern now with the investigation and with the state of the investigation well
it seems like a incompetence right right and and I look I don't know what to make
of the two sketches I'm just pointing out that that it's possible that what some people may be thinking is them
being incompetent might just be bad luck at the moment might just be bad luck at
the moment the other thing too that I want to point out with being organized or disorganized again I think whatever he
thought he was going to need to carry out this crime he brought with him that day he brought with him that was on his
person now that tells you several things about the the makeup of this individual
he may have very likely have gone there with the intention of killing that day we don't know what else he did to the
victims but we also can't expect that he went in there planning that he was going
to kill two victims that day that might not have been part of his plan it might just have been like we stated earlier
that he was looking for someone to put themselves in a compromised position at the other side of that
bridge and if he was looking for a female he does not have to be a pedophile or a registered sex offender
to have committed these murders he may have just been looking for a female may have even gone there hoping to see an
adult female jogger by themselves MH and attack them but did not did not find his
victim did not find whoever fit his victimology and he saw these two girls who I think his victim his victimology
is more so of whoever would be compromised would be alone and would be give him the better percentage of
getting away with this rather than having a a specific victim in mind does that make sense or did I get too weird
with it I think it makes sense basically you're saying that he's going to go there he's going to find an opportunity
as long as they fit a certain criteria that's good enough yeah cuz I've had many good conversations with several
people over great beers on this case cuz this case is so captivating right now it's on everybody's minds and some of
the people have said well it you know not only do we have the video and the audio but we know that we're looking for
a killer we know that we're looking for a pedophile I don't think that we know that I don't think we know that last
part I don't even know I don't even think if we know the first part I think you know to be on these
Trails let's go down this road just for a second to go on those Trails you have you might
you might just be an individual that carries a gun with you to go on these trails to be outdoors person you might
just carry a knife with you is it is it possible um I don't think it's out of the realm
of possibility after two years with all the information that we have we have video footage we have audio footage we
have these sketches we have eyewitnesses um we have a lot of things going on there is it
possible that that this individual uh this was their first time uh and and this has been their only time
so far because uh how how scared they are now that they're going to get caught well certainly possible um yeah I
don't want to play the possibility game cuz there's yeah everything's possible you get in trouble I I like to look at
what we what we think we know what what we do know first what we think we know or what we can surmise by putting other
facts together but I was trying to put out that evidence I mean to me that mean it means something that we're this far
along we have this many people talking about it and sometimes it feels as if we have nothing you know so
like I'm saying it's not out of the realm of possibility that somebody's on the trail that day with certain
items um but uh but but I don't know I think this personally I think this guy had a kill
kit with him I think it was concealed underneath those layers of clothing and I don't think it's the first time that
he threw that kill kit in his vehicle or put it on his person and went walking around I I agree with with your
statement that he very likely may have never killed anybody before and may not have afterward John Douglas says you
don't just wake up one day and go out and kill two kids so I think I think what's probably correct is somewhere
between your statement and John Douglas's statement I'm going to go with my statement and here's the thing what's
his credentials if if this guy is if Bridge guy is was 18 or 19 at the time remember we have mhm we have from 18 to
40 years old if he was 18 or 19 at the time I'm going to go with you captain that it's very likely that he's never
committed he's never committed a murder before if he's closer to 39 or 40 at the
time I feel like he's either committed a murder before or has attempted to or or
or attack somebody in some right some fashion where maybe maybe he was out scaring the hell out of people one day
or and it doesn't have to take place in Deli it could take place elsewhere it's it's just one of those
things it it seems very strange to me that for what I believe he would have need to have brought with him to the
bridge that day seems like a lot seems like quite a bit of stuff to bring with you to the point where I I have to call
it a murder kit I have to call it that so I necessarily don't think you had to bring a lot I mean you if you had a gun
you can control them uh but based off their age maybe you can control them just with a knife maybe all you have to
do is have one in individual and then the other one's just going to do what you say because you have the individual
under lock so you could control both victims with a knife uh that's a possibility riskier but you know as far
as what we know we don't know what the person's it's not like they you know the murders happen where they happened
because cuz they had to happen that place um or that you know or that the guy got spooked we don't know any of
that information I mean it's very likely that that's the case uh where was he heading with these individuals maybe it
was just across the river maybe it wasn't these are these are questions we don't have answers
for yeah and I and I don't want to go too far down the road that we're currently on
because look I we we we know that he abducted them at some point we know that they were killed and we know that he
fled fled that area I don't want to spend too much time on what could have happened what could have
been going on from the time he abducted him to the time he left right um I have a lot of thoughts
on that and and and feelings on that and suspicions but I don't I don't it's not
something that I'm very comfortable in this area discussing it it it does us not a whole lot of good because it's
stuff we don't we just don't know right we just don't know but I I I will say this I believe
that this individual that bridge guy went to that area that day prepared to kill
and knowing that he very likely might kill somebody there that day I don't think that the girls were
targeted in a sense that he met them there or that he followed them from anywhere or that he knew either of them
beforehand I think he was there scoping and looking for a victim just like a hunter would sit there looking waiting
for a prey he was there that day prepared to do what he came to do and if something
presented itself he was going to make a move so I I I think he can be considered
organized in the sense that that he he seems to be one prepared to do whatever it was that that he was motivated to do
uhhuh he was organized enough that we don't have a vehicle description uhh he you can argue the cell phone thing
either way maybe he was smart enough to know hey I don't want to risk bringing these things with me right uh or is
there a chance he thought he heard something or he got spooked and and intended to to take the cell phones with
him but got spooked and ran out of there faster than he wanted to and then he gets back to his car gets home or
wherever and in in in half hour later he's going oh [ __ ] I forgot the cell phones so I think you could argue that
either way or he was smart enough to know that he didn't want that that thing with him it also appears that he very
likely may not have been carrying his phone with him at the time I don't know that th this is it's
it's is it's a very interesting case in the sense that it's it's one that you feel like
you should have so much information and you really you really just don't and when you really put the timeline
together and you start looking at a map of this area I encourage everybody to do
that because if anybody's sitting there and they're confused about the case that
should end it right there the timeline and a in a general map of of the area will provide you with a lot of ways
to it's going to help you kind of see how this thing probably played out and how very quickly everything moved along
that day it's also 100% horrifying and terrifying to think that look this wasn't this was not a dangerous area
this was not like a place that you wouldn't allow your young teenage girls to go
to this was somebody that and and I think that's why he chose this area I think he chose it for a couple Reon
reasons one I think he thought he would very likely find somebody by themselves not only would they be by
themselves but this is an area that it's not like you're not seeing a lot of what's going on you're not near a whole
bunch of houses where you might hear what's going on and then on top of that he picks
picks a time of day when it's likely to have fewer people there than than most he may or may not have known that there
was going to be school that day or not be school that day oh so here we are now Captain over 2 years later you and I
there's nothing more that I know about the case that you don't know there might be some things you you
were kind of you kind of just let me go this last 20 minutes I'm wondering if there's things about the case you know
that I don't know well there's a possible another suspect um that is kind of on the unders
surface another guy with a bulbous nose um um he he's the I believe he was a firefighter and
he I guess at some point was to be connected with the searches for the girls and he was arrested
for I think whipping out his he whipped out his [ __ ] cocking decent exposure yeah um how how recent is this arrest um
I haven't looked much into to it uh I've been is is he a look he's Mafia okay so
he's clearly under the radar as far as the mass population goes right because all these other people their names have
been put out there really put out there so he's under the radar as far as mass population goes but is this I know his
name but I'm not I'm not putting it out right is this a more recent arrest was he is he just very recently an under the
radar suspect or or has he been an under the radar suspect for quite some time I
think it's been under the right hour for quite some time that this indecent exposure may have may have happened
shortly after the yeah may have happened as early as 2017 but that's what I find
interesting about um this individual is one I could see him um being um Bridge guy I could see that uh also
if if it's true about the the the reddish hair reddish brown hair matches that desri description also has
the bulbus nose um so yeah it um it would be a possibility not too young and not too
old of an individual but I I'll show you his picture when when we're done here I
know it's muffled but when you hear that voice do you put an age or a ballpark age on that voice
voice no I feel like to me I feel like both the the image that I'm seeing and the voice that I'm hearing sounds to me
to be less of a window than 18 to 40 I feel like I'm talking about somebody more like 29 to
40 30 to 40 that's just but but I have nothing to base that off of off of other than my own feeling but right speaking
of feelings over two years later you and I know almost the exact same stuff about
the case mhm after the last press conference some people changed their opinions on what's
going on with the investigation do you think do you feel how what is your confidence level on this case getting
solved or as some have come out recently and said I have no faith now and I feel
like they they may never get this guy well well what I'm hoping is um I I saw this thing where
they they should make t-shirts and sell these uh for Deli uh to raise money but they always say today is the day and
they say that they say that every day yeah let today let today be the day right today's the day and and the idea
is that yeah they've been wrong quite a bit but one day uh that's going to be right and you know it's uh
I think it's you feel bad for them and we've met them and we got to talk them talk to
them and look them in the eye and and it becomes more real and I can't even imagine what they when
you say them do you want to be more specific well the family the family members and so I hope so but
I what I hope is that there's enough hope from the family and the community that somehow it
just lets the universe works you know work its magic and and this screws up something and an nowhere you know it's
kind of like the Golden State killer type thing it's like somehow the universe was like okay now we can
connect DNA to family members and boom this guy that seemed to be somebody that would would' never catch we got him and
and I hope that you know people can I know that seems a little Hocus Pocus to some people but I think if you
have the enough people thinking that this is going to get solved that well well we all hope that that it gets
solved I think the the the real question is do do either of us feel that it will
what's our confidence level that it will how soon do do you put do you put a time
stamp on that thing you know there's really only one person that hopes that it doesn't get
solved and that's the guy that we're calling Bridge guy now I feel I've not lost my confidence level in this
investigation I've not lost my confidence level even after a different sketch a very much different sketch came
out what I wouldn't mind seeing Captain if they could apply it for us we have a sketch of what appears to be a younger
man uh that being the second sketch I would love to see that second sketch that same image that same person that
I'm I'm seeing in that second sketch maybe with a hood on a hat on a a hoodie on some some dress that appears to be
more like the first sketch because what we're seeing on the bridge there is a guy wearing a jacket and possibly a hat
or possibly a hoodie I would like to see something like that um we did take a little little criticism of not playing
the audio of guys down the hill a few people suggested we probably should have included that in the last
episode I in short for Indiana I in.gov if you type that in and look it up you get you get the you get the
sketch the most recent sketch you get the image of bridg guy you get several different pieces of audio there all on
the front page you get the video and it also includes that website address for the Abby and Libby tip at
cf. as well as some phone numbers there but keep in mind the the sheriff have stated that they their preferred method
of receiving any tips would be email form that way it's easier for them to categorize these things catalog them
keep track of everything keep track of the proper information that would be the most
helpful way I still feel like Captain May maybe this thing could be solved I have a high
level confidence in that I also have a high confidence level that it that might be very soon that it that it could be
within the next year and a half I think we just have to be patient with law enforcement with this and trust them I
think they are handling it very well and I think that as long as the public continues to
help that this thing will get solved and it and when when they do finally make that arrest that news is going to be big
that's going to be big and it's it's interesting that you reference the Golden State killer or ears or ons or
original nightstalker all the different names that that horrible monster had because of his reign of terror lasted so
long and he had so many victims but it was believed in that case that that we had
audio we had we had his voice that we may have had his picture and just the evidence that was involved in that was
almost as such that people were going how could this not be solved how could this not be solved and here we are
sitting here with liby and aby's case same thing we got the picture we got the audio we got a short
video it it just takes that one person and I know that sounds I know people are probably tired of hearing that but
that's that's what it is that's the state of the case right now I believe they got the DNA I believe they're just
waiting on checking it against the right person and I also believe in this case too Captain this is something we won't
have to get too far into but we also agreed off off the Record that there's a chance that when this thing when they do
make the the arrest that the public might not be such aware of it right away that there might
be some things that they need to do want to do behind the scenes before that information gets presented to us yeah to
be clear about this our idea was that it's possible that they have somebody that they've already arrested for
another crime and maybe they've done some testing or or eventually we'll do some testing but even if there's a match
with the DNA they might not actually make an announcement they might spend another four weeks to maybe even 8 weeks
I mean it's gone 2 years the the key is not making their arrest like law enforcement has said the key is not to
make the rest the key is to make the rest and to get uh get a conviction right and if you have somebody that is
on lockup right now with no no real chance of getting out anytime soon you have time to work on the
individual if there's there's reason to believe and we won't get into it too far
but there's there's plenty of reason to believe that even if they do have DNA and have a match there that they would
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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the Delphi murders investigation, discussing evidence, suspects, and community impact while emphasizing ongoing hope for justice.

Key points

Quality Sleep with Ashley. Ashley offers top mattress brands at winning prices with financing options.
Investigators' Challenges. The investigation faces delays and complications with DNA evidence.
Speculation on Video Evidence. Discussion about the possibility of more video footage from the crime scene.
Rumors and Theories. The conversation dives into various rumors surrounding the case and their implications.
The Panic Mode. The family quickly alerts authorities after realizing the girls are missing.
The Bridge Guy's Presence. Discussion on the chilling possibility that the suspect could be among the investigators.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I think that they have more video footage.

Speculation about evidence in the case

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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