Body Barrel /// Part 2 /// Episode: 88 | Forensic Files

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Investigators say Bob Evans is responsible for the deaths of Denise Bowden, four unidentified people in
Allenstown and Yunsoon June. Let's take a closer look at exactly who these victims are. Now, we begin with Denise
Bowden who graduated from Gofftown High School in 1976. She worked at Carol Cable and the Demer's Nursing Home in
Manchester before her disappearance. Now, when Bowden was 23 years old, she lived at 925 Hayward Street in
Manchester with Evans, who was her boyfriend at the time. Now, shortly after Thanksgiving in 1981, Bowden
disappeared. Her body never found. Four years later, the bodies of an adult woman and a female child related to that
woman were found in a barrel in a wooded area of Allentown. The adult described as a white woman with brown hair, 23 to
33 years old. The child described as white and between the ages of 5 and 11. Then in 2000, two more children were
found in barrels on the same Allentown property. Both girls were around two or three years old. New DNA results show
that the girl on the left is the daughter of Bob Evans and the girl on the right is also related to the
unidentified woman found in the first barrel. None of the bodies have been identified. Fast forward a year later in
August 2001, Yunsun Jun had an unofficial backyard marriage ceremony with Evans in Richmond, California. She
was reported missing in September of the following year and later found buried in
her basement. A couple of months later, Evans was arrested and eventually convicted for her murder.
We have been discussing the Allenstown 4, the four unidentified victims that were found in Allenstown. The first two
found in a barrel 1985. the second two found in a almost exact same similar barrel in 2000. And these victims have
remained unidentified. Well, in January of this year, there becomes a huge break
in this case. >> Yeah. >> So, the New Hampshire attorney general announced that they believe that they
have discovered the man involved in the Bearbrook murders, also known as the Allentowns 4. To be clear here, the
state of New Hampshire attorney general, he announced in a press conference that
after 30ome years of looking, the police are confident in regards to the four female victims found in Allentown in the
two barrels, they now believe that they have their man. >> Which is pretty crazy though, right?
Because I mean, this is the first time that I've ever heard of a case where we we identify the murderer.
>> Mhm. >> But we still can't identify the victims. >> Yeah. And he starts off the press
conference by saying that that exact same statement. Really? >> Yeah. That that usually, you know, you
have to there's that general process that you identify the victims and you take it from there and then you you
catch the killer. This situation quite a bit different, but that they're putting
out this information because they're hoping to receive some information in return. Now, the thing is we're going to
see that there is a lot of information that's still needed on this case. This is going to be something that you're
going to see worked very hard in the next year or two and I think we're going to see further information come out. But
let's go through what we do know as of this year. So the New Hampshire attorney general stated that Robert or Bob Evans
is believed to be the killer of these four victims. So who is this Bob Evans? Actually, can can we call him Robert
Evans, Captain? >> I don't want to disturb my my weekend breakfast. Um, so Robert Evans is a man
that just pretty recently police have been able to place him in New Hampshire as late as 1981. And we will show you
how they are able to connect him to the four female victims in Allentown. But to
do so, we have to first talk about California because Robert Evans was serving a 15-year sentence for murder in
California for killing his girlfriend/wife. This is unsumed June, >> right? Okay. And to do that, we got to
go back to the year 2002. >> Yeah. September 2002. This story starts starts off in California's Contraosta
County. And we have a missing person's case. The person in question is Unsun June. The first signs emerge that there
is something that is not right. When she did not show up for a scheduled lunch with a friend, she also started missing
her regular pottery classes that she attended. A friend of June's was dissatisfied with the answers that she
was getting in regards to June's whereabouts from her husband. She stopped believing explanations and
excuses as to where her friend was. And then she calls the Contracasta Sheriff's
Department and the friend decides to file missing person's report. In this report, the friend states the last time
that she had seen Unsun Jun was around May 31st, 2002. >> And she at this point she was married to
Robert Evans. >> Yeah, they had some people will refer to them as husband and wife or they will
refer to this Robert Evans as a boyfriend. Um because they were married in some like backyard ceremony, so it
wasn't like super official. Um, what happens is after that missing person's report is filed, the sheriff's
department, their missing person's crime unit, they decide to go do a welfare check at the woman's home, which is
located in East Richmond Heights. >> Mhm. Uh the husband, a man who was actually going by the name of Larry
Vanner, told the investigators that she was out of the state and he like he's he's very cooperative with the people
that show, >> you know, >> now we we we have to we have to kind of touch upon something here and it's going
to come around full circle and we can explain it as we go. Um, but we're going to start to see a lot of different names
in this story and a lot of those names are being used by one character. So, Robert Evans is using multiple names
throughout this story. When Larry Vanner and Robert Evans are the same person, we
will get into that a little bit later. You'll see how that's connected. >> Mhm. So when Larry Vanner, he's so
cooperative with these investigators. >> We should just say Larry aka Robert. >> Okay. Larry aka a aka Robert is so
cooperative with the investigators that he even agrees to go down to the department to answer some questions
regarding the whereabouts of his wife. They interview him for quite some time. Um and Vanner was given a phone and he
makes a phone call. He calls a number a number that he calls from memory which turns out to be a licensed therapist in
Eugene, Oregon. Now the detective would later state how she thought that was really weird because he had this number
memorized and she believed it was part of like a ruse, like the fact that he had gone this far to to form some kind
of plan in advance and she couldn't really put her finger on. Was this something that he kept in his back
pocket as a plan to get out of this particular situation or really was this something he would do to get out of any
situation? >> Right. Right. >> The detective quickly realizes that the name Lawrence William Vanner, which is
the name that the man had given, had no paper trail. He had no driver's license in the state of California. He had no
driver's license in any state in the US that they could find. And he had no criminal history or records of any kind.
Nothing that they looked for in their databases at the sheriff's department turned up regarding the name Lawrence
William Vanner. But this guy, he still agrees to keep talking to her, answering questions, and he even agrees to be
fingerprinted. So, she also said that they made quite a bit of small talk, and mainly this is
because the guy seemed to be very chatty. She also commented that he had these really strange super blue twinkly
eyes. But as far as questioning went, he was a very personable guy. >> Sparkly eyes.
>> Yeah. >> Like the whiz from Seinfeld. >> Yes. Much like the whiz. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes Vanner even spoke in a type of
like singongy voice when they were talking. >> Um anyway, so he gives his >> I never really understood that sing
songongy thing. >> Does somebody talk like this or something like this? >> In every musical that you watch, they do
the >> Well, right. Right. But that's an actual song. But sing songy talk. I don't
really >> Well, Vanner did this from time to time during the the questioning process.
>> And he does give his fingerprints as we said. And while the live scan began to
run the prints through the database, the detectives took Vanner out to a corner store so that he could get a drink and a
pack of cigarettes. The detective, in an attempt to get some more information about this man, asked him if his accent
was from the East Coast. >> She says to him, "Your accent's very interesting. Where did you grow up?"
Vanner then stopped talking and he leaned in real close to the detective's personal space. And with a completely
different tone, he said, "That's none of your goddamn business." She said it was
like a flick of a switch from from the normal behavior that she had seen before. He completely changed
>> con artist. >> Yeah. He gets he gets very aggressive with her and then she says that he then
switched it off again and he kept carrying on as normal like nothing had happened.
>> And I'm going to post some pictures of this guy of old Robert Evans. He's he's
definitely creepy looking. He's like a creepy clown. >> Yeah. >> You know, he's like a sadistic clown
with twinkly blue eyes. >> Yeah. He's just got the hair on the sides and none on the top and it he's
kind of got that clown face. >> Yeah. There's this other picture too where he's wearing a Mickey Mouse shirt
and he just, you know, kind of ruined Mickey Mouse for me for the next week or so
>> and breakfast. Um, the fingerprints come back and what they learned from the fingerprints
gets even stranger. Okay, so this now shows that Larry Vanner was the same person as a man named Curtis Mayo
Kimble, a man who was once convicted of abusing and abandoning a little girl at an RV park in 1986.
What had happened was he was on parole for that conviction and he like the day they let him out instead of checking in
and doing all the stuff you're supposed to do on parole to you know reinccorporate yourself back into
society instead he just takes off. So the detective then reads him his rights because of course Larry Vanner
I he's he's this Kimble guy and he's needs to be taken into custody for the parole violation. And of course, Larry
Vanner at this point stops talking to the detective, >> right? Lawyers up. >> Um I I don't they didn't cover that in
this in this portion of the story. I don't think that he actually l lawyered up at this point,
>> right? He just said, "I'm not talking >> because this is all kind of happening
very quickly. >> It's none of your goddamn business." >> So now what he said to her,
>> they decide that his premises are subject to a search. So, they go and they get the appropriate warrant and
they took a key to June's house from Larry Vanner's belongings and then they go to the house and once there they find
pictures of the missing woman still on the refrigerator. >> But then they don't find any women's
clothing in the house and then they >> or at least there's pictures >> well >> up of her in the house.
>> It's going to get it's going to get a little weird because now they start to notice the weird stuff. Uh, there are
some areas on the property that look to have been recently dug up. There was a dried up dead kitten over the back
fence. The >> That's That is weird. >> Yeah. If you're going to dig up some of the property, at least put the cat the
dead cat in one of those holes, right? Uh, the garage was padlocked. So, they open the padlock to the garage,
>> and inside they find pottery, a kiln, and a potter's wheel. These are all June's items. At the back of the garage,
they find a small door. They open the door. Now, this is a very dark room, so they're using flashlights at this point.
They can see a water heater, and near the water he heater is a pile of kitty litter. It's mounted over some extension
cords. >> Yeah, >> there are workshop lights that are hung up in this cramped little space. Uh
they're not on. Uh but they also see a small axe and a reciprocating saw. Well, this is where they're starting to feel
feel very bad. Now, now we've got to call in the forensics unit, right? Cuz cuz this whole place might be a crime
scene. So the crime scene unit came in and they started off by taking photographs of the entire place. Now it
becomes time to move the mound of cat litter. So they very carefully moved just a little bit of the cat litter at
first. And this is when they discovered a human foot still in a rubber flip-flop, but
>> but it's fully mummified by this point. >> Right. But >> yesterday the the life lesson that we
learned, right? What was it? Do you remember? What's the life lesson that we learned yesterday?
>> Don't go looking in the barrel. >> Don't open the barrel. >> Yeah, but this is their job. This is
different. >> I know, but I'm saying it's it's what you can take away from the show. What
you can learn as an individual. This is not our job. Our job is to flex our golden pipes on these microphones. But
so, lesson number one yesterday, do not open the barrel. >> Mhm. And lesson number two today is
>> don't move the cat litter. >> Don't touch the kitty litter. >> Well, so of course murder charges
followed for the man that they knew as Vanner and Kimble, >> right? >> So he is charged as
>> well. Real quick question though. So we know that he is Kimble, >> right? Like that's who he is.
>> We know that Larry Vanner is Curtis Kimell, >> right? And Curtis and Curtis Campbell
actually has some kind of record. We have fingerprints on file. >> Yeah. And that's why I think they charge
him as Curtis Kimell and not as this Larry Vanner because there is some paper trail for Curtis Kimble.
>> Now, can you explain to me how we get to Robert Evans? >> Yes, but it's going to it's going to
take a little more >> Okay. >> a little more explanation. And trust me, this will all come back around full
circle at the end. I promise. So, he ends up playing >> Don't you lie to me, boy.
He's charged as Curtis Kimell, but to everyone's surprise, he ends up pleading guilty to the charge. He plead guilty to
seconddegree murder and was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison. >> It's not enough, man.
>> So, what ends up h what what ends up happening, this turns out to be a good thing for Mr. Kimell aka Vannor because
this avoids the man a trial and more importantly to him an investigation into the man calling himself Lawrence Vanner.
>> Right. >> So the short of that is this detective not only puts this man behind bars, but
she establishes through the fingerprint match that Lawrence Vanner is also Curtis Kimble. And Curtis Kimell was
wanted on parole violation for abuse and abandonment of a minor. a minor that the
court system believed to be his child. Now, this awesome detective decides that, you know what, we should trace
this guy as far back as we can, >> right? >> Because of course, the thought being
here is if he is guilty of this kind of stuff and he has used more than one name, we might want to at least round
the bases once to just to be safe to see what else we can dig up in the process,
>> right? Because we know he's a murderer >> and we know that the whole child pedophilia stuff
>> and then it's normally repeat offenders. >> Yeah. And you know what my thought here
is at the very least they might want to try to reach out to that child to see what name he was going by when he was
connected to that child. Was he was he Kimble? Was he Vanner? Was he a different name? You know, there's only
so much that they even have on this Kimble guy. You know, they traced Vanner to Kimble. They only have one arrest for
this Kimble dude. So, she tracks Vanner aka Kimble and she figures out that he had had uh a relationship with June uh
that began in 2000. This was the the murdered wife. >> Uh before that, this detective believes
that he had lived and worked in Contraosta, California from about 1990 to the year 2000. Mhm.
>> So from 1990 before that there's quite a bit of a gray area because they don't really have
much information on him until the year of 1986 as far as this detective is concerned.
Right. >> So the other than him being arrested in 1986 for the abandonment of a girl that
he called Lisa, this was at an RV park in Northern California. She couldn't find anything else on him and she says,
you know, that just didn't make any sense to me that this guy had this little girl in 1986.
So, what she does is she orders a DNA paternity test in 2003. This is shortly after he pleads guilty
to the murder charge. This is to determine whether or not he is the biological father of the girl called
Lisa. >> Yeah. The one that was abandoned at the RV park. So what happened is now they've
determined, you know, is is he the biological father? The DNS DNA test come in and it turns out that he in fact is
not the father of the girl named Lisa. >> Right? >> So now we have this girl that he had
abandoned and no one knew where this girl had come from. So now we have to go back a little bit
further, right? We let's go back to the child abuse abandonment charge that he faced as Curtis Kimble,
>> right? >> So So now we we go back to this this man Curtis Kimell shows up in January of
1986. This man is living and working at the Holiday Host RV Park in Scots Valley. Uh this is in Northern
California. And he's living there, working there. And with him is a girl believed to be about 5 years old. and he
is calling the girl Lisa. >> Um he in June or July of 1986, he leaves Lisa with a family that lives
in the RV park. So the way that these charges come about is that after she is living with the family for several
months, Lisa starts telling the family about the man who had abandoned her. um and she believes him to be her father,
but she's telling the family about some of the things that took place and we don't have details of that and that's
probably a good thing. Um but what ends up happening is this family then notifies law enforcement to to tell
them, you know, something not only was this girl abandoned, but we believe she was abused before she was abandoned,
>> right? And so that's how we get to these charges against Curtis Kimble. Now, we
have a very strange situation though here, Captain. This is something that doesn't happen very often at all. What
the detective quickly realizes is this young girl that was called Lisa, she might have been 5 years old that just
appeared in this RV park, right? Well, now she's an adult and she is basically a living Jane Doe, which which we you
very seldom see that. So, now we have a situation where we have a person that's lived most of their life and they really
don't know who they are or where they're from. >> Well, and it's creepy stuff and then and
it kind of makes you wonder like when you meet somebody is are they who they say they are,
>> right? >> You know what I mean? Um, >> right. Cuz really until you see any kind
of documentation, you just take people at their word. >> It doesn't even matter if you see
documentation. >> Yeah. >> Really? I mean, this guy >> I'm Scott White. >> Uh, >> well,
>> you're definitely vanilla. Yeah. >> You know what, though? Uh, I'm speaking to a guy that uses a
>> Yeah. >> uses an alias. So, >> maybe you shouldn't be uh >> They kind of frown upon it. If you're
teaching children, they frowned upon you talking about murders. I I get you on the internet. So that that's why that
happened. >> Okay. So, let's make some sense of this. >> Let's recap this real quickly.
>> So, Robert Evans, we we now know that he is responsible for the deaths and the
the four victims that were >> the four unidentified victims in Allentown, New Hampshire. Yes.
>> Right. And from there, they trace him back to >> California. Mhm. >> And the California connection is the
murder of his wife or girlfriend that he lived with in 2002 >> using the name Larry.
>> Yep. He Larry Vanner. And from there with the fingerprint match, they trace him back to that RV park from that
charge in 1986 of abandoning a minor with with possible abuse. And in in regards to that, um you know, he was
sentenced. I believe it was a threeyear sentence. He served one year and then he
up and left uh the first day of his parole. >> Right. Of course he did. And and what I
think they should do, and I don't know if they've done this, but have they tested uh this living Jane Doe's DNA
with any of the DNA from the barrels? >> Um I believe that they have, but we're going to get there is a whole bunch of
DNA that that comes up out of this, but we will have to get into that after this
beer break. All right. Cheers. And we're back, everybody. Happy Women's Day. >> Okay, so the man that we and police in
New Hampshire are calling Robert Evans >> Mhm. >> was living under other names in
California, >> old IHOP Evans. He pleads guilty to the murder of his wife, girlfriend that he
lives with. >> And in 2013, that is when the DNA test is requested of or required of this
Robert Evans person. So in August of 2013, the DNA testing determines that Robert Evans and Lisa, the girl that he
had abandoned at the RV park, were not biologically related. So now we have a situation where we're
trying to initiate an investigation into the true identity of this girl named Lisa. She was living under the name of
Lisa Jensen. Um and that was a name that was given to her by this man. So again,
we have a a strange situation where we have a living Jane Doe. >> Well, and he's good at coming up with
names. >> Mhm. So, >> I mean, he he doesn't come up with good names. >> No, >> but he's just good at coming up with
names. >> Well, Bob Evans, I mean, he could have seen a sign. >> Old IHOP Evans.
>> Yeah. >> Such a doucheber burger. >> So, in 2014, San Bernardino, the COSO, enlisted the assistance of DNA
adoption.com. And this is one of those like genealogy type things. Did you try to find your
where you came from, your family background? >> Well, that's that's actually interesting
because one of the listeners posted yesterday if if they did a genealogy on the victims of the barrels,
>> which which is something that police are working on doing right now. >> Oh, that's good.
>> Uh so we we'll get back to that. >> It was a good listener thought is what I was saying.
>> Yeah, exactly. Some of these listeners should be involved in these cases. Um,
so >> they are >> with the assistance of DNA adoption.com. They use one of their search angels is
what I guess they call them, a a genetic genealogologist to identify links to possible relatives of this Lisa girl.
>> Mhm. >> And what they find, this takes quite a bit of time, but in 2016, they discover a first cousin and the
grandfather of Lisa. Right >> now, these two people are identified and they are living in New Hampshire, which
led to proving that Lisa had ties to New Hampshire. >> Right. Which would mean that Robert
would have ties to New Hampshire as well. >> Exactly. So, what they discover after
talking with these people, meeting with these people, is that Lisa, in fact, is a girl that was known by the name of Don
Bowden. Mhm. >> Um, and she happens to be the daughter of a missing person, and this person's
name is Denise Bowden. Now, the last known sighting of Denise Bowden would have been in November of 1981.
So, the police suspect that Denise Bowden, she went missing shortly after Thanksgiving of 1981. And at the time
she had a six-month-old daughter, this being Dawn Bowden. And she had a boyfriend that was going by the name of
Robert Evans or Bob Evans. >> And they lived in Manchester, New Hampshire. What had happened was she had
either spoken to or visited her family for Thanksgiving and they they're not quite sure when the when these three
people kind of disappeared from the area, but they believe that it would have been it had to have been after
Thanksgiving, but it was definitely before Christmas. So, sometime in that early December time period, they believe
that these three have disappeared. And the thing that kind of blows my mind about all this is we have a missing
person that went missing in 81 >> and it's not until 2016 that she's reported missing.
>> Correct. >> And that's what I was saying before. I mean, the whole idea with, you know,
that some that people live that kind of life or or people that have those kind of friends or family around them uh that
would not report them missing. It's it's a very sad thing. Um, you know, >> well, we don't know the dynamics of
their family. Um, it may not have been any wrongdoing on their part. It see, it's definitely strange, 100%. I mean,
you're talking about many years go by before she's reported as missing, >> right? And then we have that information
about the other serial killer, Robinson, and how he would, you know, basically kidnap somebody or take somebody hostage
and then he would write to the parents saying, "Oh, it's okay." you know, I I'm moving on with my life. And and you were
just talking earlier about how you also believe that uh Rob Robinson would have these victims sign pieces of paper.
>> Yeah. >> And so by having, you know, a signature, maybe type up the letter, but with that
signature, you know, the family just kind of believes it. And I guess I think the problem here though is, you
know, if I was a father and I'm getting some le letter from either a guy or I'm getting a letter that's quote unquote
from my daughter >> typed but with her signature, >> right? But then they're trying to tell
me that she doesn't want to be a part of my life. Well, again, hopefully I'm not,
you know, hopefully I'm a decent father. Mhm. >> And and and if I was a decent father and
somebody wanted to just be rid of me for no reason, you know, I'm going to fight
that. >> Mhm. >> So, but but again, you again, like you said, we don't know their social
dynamics. So, who knows? The the thought here is what what the family would tell
us in 2016 was that the reason they didn't report either the mother or the daughter as being missing was that it
was presented to them. Now, it's unclear to us, the general public, if it was Robert Evans presenting this to them or
if it was their own daughter presenting this to them, Denise Bowden. But it was presented to them that they basically
owed a whole bunch of money to everybody in the area of Manchester, New Hampshire
where they lived. >> Mhm. >> So the thought was they were going to uproot, move elsewhere, transplant and
and set up shop elsewhere and create a new life somewhere debtree, >> right? >> Um the family probably thought they were
doing their daughter some favors by not leading the possible debt collectors to her. Um that being the thought again
though 30 years go by it's strange. >> Yeah. Again I mean you know maybe you don't hear from the first Christmas and
you know nothing you know no big deal >> you know she's she's starting her new life but by the second Christmas
>> I'm looking for this person >> you know I mean how can you just >> let your daughter just
>> disappear almost. >> Yeah. And it and I said, you know, we don't know if it was Robert Evans that
presented that theor story to them or if it was their own daughter. My guess is it might have been the daughter
presenting it because the vibe I got from the attorney general and from the officers that were explaining this whole
situation to the public, the vibe I got was that the family was not a fan of this Robert Evans. like that he was
somebody that they they didn't like from the get- go, >> which is more of a reason to go find
him, punch him in his stupid [ __ ] face and then >> his clown face. >> His clown face and then pee in his
little twinkly eyes. I'll make I'll make his little eyes twinkle. >> Wow. Wow. Just
>> his face. >> It just got real. >> No, because here's why I'm getting pissed off about it. Because what we're
seeing is the cycle and it and it and it involves pedophilia. That's what it involves. That's what it comes down to.
Why? Why was this girl missing for 30 years? Because she had a daughter. He prayed on her and and it was the
daughter. He wanted the daughter. And you see this time and time again where these um doucheberers come out and they
pray on single mothers with daughters or sons and they molest those kids. And then once the mother finds out about it,
well, now you got to kill the mother. And that's what this Robert Evans was doing time and time again
>> was getting into situations. And I guarantee you his girlfriend/wife, that's probably why she ended up dead
and why they found her at her house dead because she probably figured out that he
was doing this [ __ ] >> or the or figured out that he had some very sketchy past. Um, you know,
anything's possible regarding that. Uh, we should state very clearly here that Denise Bowden is still technically a
missing person. She's not been identified as having been found anywhere or um >> she's dead
>> or to be living anywhere. And you're exactly right. The way that this has been presented by the attorney general
is that they expect that knowing Robert Evans past and knowing what he's capable
of, they firmly and the amount of time that's gone by, frankly, they firmly believe that that they're looking for
remains as far as Denise Bowden would go. >> All right. So, let's connect this all
together. >> Yeah. So, in the summer of 2016, the San Bernino uh County Sheriff's Office, they
contact the Manchester Police Department regarding the identification of Don Bowden. So, Lisa Jensen, the girl that
was left at the RV park, is actually Don Bowden, the daughter of Denise Bowden. And I'm so glad that they did their work
so she at least has some closure and that she has some sense of an actual past before this monster.
>> Yeah. Can you imagine that though? This this this Lisa girl, she's living with
the name Lisa for all these years and she was adopted out and went on to live a very normal, happy life from what we
have heard. Um, can you imagine that situation though that that you you you really basically have no family
background or understanding of your family background or where you came from? You don't you don't know your mom.
You you >> Well, sometimes I wish I didn't know my family background. >> You have this guy that you think is your
father that that probably abused you. At the very least, he abandoned you. And so
you probably consider yourself lucky to have survived and got out of that situation. And then all these years
later, you're contacted. You're living your normal life, you know, and you're doing your normal things. And then you
get contacted and you're told, you know, that that guy that left you at the RV park, we figured out that that was not
his real name and he's not your father. So, sorry I got sidetracked there, but back
to the summer of 2016. This is when California contacts the New Hampshire Manchester Police Department regarding
the identification of Don Bowden, the girl, in connection with a missing female, Denise Bowden, the mother.
>> And they let them know that uh the person that they suspect of being involved in this disappearance would be
a person that they've already convicted of homicide in 2002. >> Right. So that same year, a multi-
agency investigation begins to determine that Bob Evans, Robert Evans, his they determine his connections to Manchester,
New Hampshire, and Allenstown, New Hampshire. >> What's the major connection between old
Robert IHOP Evans and the the four in the barrel? >> So in October of 2016, they take Robert
Evans DNA profile. Remember, they already have this from from checking with the Lisa girl. And they compare
that profile to all of the three female these are the minor female victims that were found in Allentown.
>> Right. >> Well, the results showed that Robert Evans was the father of the middle
child. Remember, this is the child that is non-maternally related to the other victims. Mhm.
>> So, what are the Allenstown connections beyond that of the DNA? This is what the
officers are able to determine that at some point in the late 1970s, a man that shows up using the name
Robert T. Evans or to friends or co-workers he's known as Bob Evans that he lived and worked in Manchester, New
Hampshire. Uh he worked at the Wombbeck Mills in Manchester as a mechanic and electrician.
>> Um he when he was working there he worked with the owner of the property in Allentown where the barrels with the
bodies in them were found in 1985. >> Why? Because there was that little store. >> Yeah. And in 2000 um he provided
electrical work to the Bear Brook store that was located on that property. Uh, and he Here's the thing though, too,
that makes you wonder, Captain, once you kind of see this situation with Robert Evans and you know that that a lot of
these crimes might be driven by his pedophilia, >> right? >> And then we hear about the owner, his
last name was Callahan that owned that property, worked with him at the Wombck Mills.
Doesn't it make you wonder does this Callahan character with his background in pedophilia, do you wonder if there's
if there's some kind of connection there? It seems a little too big of a coincidence to me, right?
>> Mhm. A couple questions initially that come up. One, was it the pedophilia that
brought them together and then they decided to, you know, work together or was it through work an odd conversation?
I don't know how that conversation starts, but uh I don't want to ever have that happen because I I I think I just
slapped the person. But then a weird thought kind of popped in my head. What if a lot of this pedophilia stuff What
if this other guy wasn't actually that involved? >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? And it was just h
happen stance or something. >> It's it's it's possible. I The thing here is you you you imagine if this
Callahan guy is guilty of lesser crimes. I don't think he's letting somebody dump
bodies on his property, >> right? >> Um, actually, guilty or not guilty of anything, you're not letting people dump
bodies on your property. Um, >> well, and this starts making me feel a little more like the whole idea of um
sex trafficking, human trafficking. >> Mhm. Yeah. It it appears to be something of that nature. We we have these
unidentified people that that one could think part partly they they're unidentified because they were brought
into that area. Another connection here is that the first barrel that was found uh with the adult and the oldest child
that were dismembered in this barrel, remember they were found in trash bags, but these were multiple trash bags. So
what what Robert Evans did or whomever placed them there did was to package these things together. The trash bags
were tied together with electrical wire. Now we already said that he has a background as an electrician,
>> right? So that makes sense. >> This electrical wire could be could potentially be traced back to a place
called Carol Cable. Now this is interesting because that is where Denise Bowden worked. So,
I do want to throw this out there though. It is a bit of a loose connection because it's been presented
to me that that type of cable, that type of wire was actually a very common type
of wire. But again, here it would be another big coincidence, >> right? Well, but the fact of the matter
with the whole Denise case is he had her daughter. He took her daughter across the country. We've know we we see this
pattern with him, you know, as far as murders go. >> And, you know, so we don't we don't have
to sit there and say, "Well, he he had some cable because he probably worked at this cable company. That's where she
worked." That's another nail in the head. I don't need any more nails in the head. You know, this guy,
>> right? I think it's more of a connection to the four unidentified bodies. Um, in
regards to Denise Bowden, there were people that provided law enforcement with pictures of this Robert Evans with
Denise Bowden. So, it's not just somebody coming forward and saying, "Well, I know this Robert Evans guy was
with Denise Bow." No, they have photographic proof. >> Um, some other kind of loose ends here
we have with the Allenstown victims. Remember the the the girlfriend wife that he killed in California? Um, all
five of these victims died from blunt force trauma. >> Um, and the the uh several almost all
these victims as well were dismembered. So, we we see a bit of a pattern as far as uh cleaning up a a scene and getting
rid of bodies. >> And through investigation, they were able to uncover that Robert Evans was
known to actually dump stuff on the site before. >> Yeah. and they had confirmed that
barrels from the mill from the Wombach mill were dumped on the property as well. Now, what they're saying in
regards to the actual two barrels where the bodies were found stuffed into >> is that these they're not they can't
place them as having come from the wombach mill but but it makes sense. I mean, >> but they're similar.
>> They're very similar. Yes. And then sometimes, you know, if you work in any warehouse, you know, sometimes you have
like everything normally comes in this crate or in this barrel, >> right? But then every now and then you
just get a couple crates or a couple barrels that look a little different. >> Get a oneoff,
>> right? And those might have been put to the side and he possibly could have used
those cuz they weren't using them at at his work. Mhm. That now remember we had said that they were able to establish
that at some point in the late 1970s that Robert T. Evans had moved into the Manchester, New Hampshire area. Uh they
have him living there until approximately 1981 when he leaves with Denise Bowden and her daughter.
um they are able to confirm, they don't know the exact time or date that he would have moved into this property, but
they have him as living at a at 925 Hayward Street in Manchester, New Hampshire. Now, what has taken place
since all of this uncovering has happened is that they have gone back to that property and mainly they went back
there to look for the remains of Denise Bowden. Um they they spent almost I think they spent three or four days
there uh with FBI and other agencies involved and they were unable to find any trace of remains, human remains or
Denise >> Bowden. And the problem is it's 30 some years later. >> Mhm. So of course police are still
looking for Denise Bowden. Uh she's been missing since November of 1981. She was
23 years old at the time that she had disappeared or was last seen. She had brown hair, brown eyes. She was about 5
foot4 to 5 foot six inches tall, 120 to 140 pounds. She had a noticeable overbite. Um, and as we had said, she
was known to have been living in the Manchester, New Hampshire area. Um, the problem though is when you have a guy
like Robert T. Evans who moves all over the country with all these different names. You don't know where you could
potentially find this person. She might even be a Jane Doe in some other state that that's been sitting there waiting
to be named all these years. >> Did they do a DNA test between the girl that he left abandoned and the girls
that were in the barrel >> to see if there was some kind of connection there? Yeah,
>> there I believe they have and I believe that there is not um any type of connection to to them as far as being
relatives. >> So I would I would just be it would be suspect to me that that that the middle
child that they believe is connected to Bob Evans >> or Robert Evans would be maybe related
to the Bowdens. >> Yeah. Anything's a possibility at this point. So, what do we Let's try to point
out what we think we know about Robert Evans. Uh, because we have these little patches in time where we don't have
information on where he is. And this becomes a big problem because we we're starting to see what this guy is
probably capable of. I mean, he's a chameleon, right? He he's a guy that moves into an area.
>> Well, no. I mean, here's what we do know is we do know that he's capable of kidnapping. We know he's capable of
abandoning children. We know that he's cap he is, you know, worked and probably was in cahoots with a pedophile with a
known pedophile >> and he's capable of murder. >> So, we know he's capable of a lot.
>> And it's very it's not it's very likely that he's a serial killer that's been
moving around this country for decades. So, the police estimate that Robert Evans was born between the years of 1936
and 1952. Well, that's quite a span of time there. That's 16 years of of not being able That's scary when when you
have this guy that you're saying he's our number one suspect. He's probably guilty of this, but we don't even know
if this is his real name and we can't tell you how old he is either. Mhm. >> So the reason the way that they come up
with these years as having been possible birth dates that he was born sometime during this time is that on you know
certain paperwork that he had filled out over the years he used different dates that fell within this this range. Um he
did die in prison um in December of 2010. So he will be unable to face justice regarding these victims that
that we have in Allentown. He's also going to be unable to provide us with any information as to who he is or
potential additional victims that he may have. >> Well, I can get I can tell you who he
is. >> Well, uh, he changed his name obviously frequently. Um, he had some there's a
lot of suspected aliases, but we can go through the confirmed aliases. He he had
lived or worked under these names at one time or another. Uh, this being Robert T. Evans, also Curtis Mayo, Kimble,
General Gerald Mocker, uh Gordon Curtis Jensen, and Lawrence William Vanner, which was the name that he was using
when he murdered his his girlfriend that he was living with. >> Yeah. >> Occupations. Uh he had worked at
different times as a electrician or a ma mechanic. Um they have a suspicion that
he might have possibly worked at the Manchester, New Hampshire VA. Um, and here's here's one thing that they're
really looking into right now regarding him is that they think they suspect he might have some form of military
background. And they even kind of specified that they believe it might be the Navy.
>> Mhm. >> And this just being because of the way that he would write dates, the way that
he carried himself, the way that he talked to people uh at different jobs that he had had. Um, and they they even
say that he was known to kind of rig things rather than fix them. That he would rig them in a manner that was
would be something that they would be used to seeing in a military fashion. >> Right. So, he would kind of jerryrig a
bunch of stuff. And uh but he was also a known alcoholic as as well. >> Yeah. They believe that he was probably
an alcoholic for most of his life. kind of like when he got cigarettes and and and booze and said, "None of your
goddamn business." >> Yeah. >> It's none of your goddamn business if I'm an alcoholic.
>> Well, and he was obviously, you know, as far as characteristics go, he was obviously a transient. Um, and they can
confirm that he throughout his life lived in different campgrounds, trailer parks, and motel. You know, not really
lying roots in too many places or too many places for a very long period of time. um confirmed locations. Now, this
is important because they're trying to figure out one where this guy was from. You know, he pops up on the map in the
late '7s. They have nothing of of him before that, but his confirmed locations would be obviously New Hampshire and in
California, but they also have tied him to the state of Idaho. And this is because he was arrested in the mid80s in
California with a stolen vehicle from the state of Idaho. Now, what what they're really looking for and hoping
for is that somebody comes forward and and says, "You know what? I know, you know, I knew the guy that stole my
vehicle or or he lived down the street and he he went by this name, right?" >> Um, so those are the confirmed
locations. They have some possible locations where they think that he may have lived.
>> Well, cuz he could he could have possibly been in jail for other murders. >> Mhm. Yeah. And so the possible locations
of where he he may have lived at some point would be the state of Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado,
Missouri, Virginia, Georgia, Louisiana, Hawaii, a small part of Canada and Quebec. Canada.
>> Well, possibly Hawaii. I mean, that would make sense if he was in the Navy. >> Yeah, he could have been stationed there
for for whatever reason. And also the the state of Texas. M >> um now I do want to throw this out
there. This guy is obviously not to be believed on anything. You know what I mean? That
we we you know, you know, people that that tell stories and you say, "Well, take what they say with a grain of
salt." I I don't even think you use a grain of salt when you're talking about Robert Evans here. I the these are
locations that they question because he has some ties or he has said mentioned these places to people at some point in
his life. Now, any of those background stories that he was giving to these people could be completely fabricated,
>> right? Complete malarkey. >> Yeah, they seem to be really focusing on the state of Texas as far as law
enforcement goes. They're they're really interested in the state of Texas. Um, and
>> yeah, and I think what's going to come down to is they're going to they're doing a lot of hard work. And I and I
I'm grateful for them to do that because there are other missing person cases. There's a there's probably other John or
John Doe's probably Jane Does in this scenario, but there's missing person cases. There's Jane Does out there that
are connected to this guy. Yep. >> And they just need to keep doing the work to do that and maybe bring closure
to somebody. >> Mhm. And well then that leads us perfectly into this because then you
start to wonder Bob Evans, Robert Evans, uh his victims and potential victims. Who would be his potential victims?
Well, obviously the Allenstown 4, which seems like he's very, very likely the guilty person in that situation.
>> Um, we also have the disappearance of Denise Bowden, who's still not been found, who went missing in 1981,
>> right? >> Um, of course, his his ex-wife, ex-girlfriend that that he killed in in
California. >> Um, but we also have the mother of the middle child in Allentown,
>> right? we have this this whole other woman that's not we don't have a name for her. We don't
>> we don't know anything about this person, right? This is a whole potential victim that that we don't know anything
about. Now, there is some suspicions regarding some possibilities of who could be that middle child's mother. Um,
and this being a woman that they are trying to figure out if she even existed or not. Um, and her name would be
Elizabeth Evans. So, in January of of 1980, a certified letter addressed to Robert Evans was signed for by a person
by the name of Elizabeth Evans. Um, and at two points in in that same year, he was arrested. Um, and on both of those
times, at both of those times, he listed his spouse's name as Elizabeth. Now, the
strange thing here though is on a later arrest date in October of 1980, he's arrested again, and this time he does
not list a spouse. So, >> right, >> again, they're unable to confirm if this person even exists or not. Or or could
it be somebody living under an alias that's traveling along with him? >> Right. But Right. But but but by force.
You see what I'm saying? Mhm. >> I think it's more likely if if he was traveling with somebody again, he's
either conning them or it's by force and he's holding people and that's goes back
to the whole sex trafficking. >> And if this Evans person is not the mother of the middle child, then you
increase your potential victim list by by another person. Um it's it's it's a crazy case. Um one of the strangest that
that I've seen. Um, I got to say here though, Captain, what really what really kind of drives this
whole thing and what I'm really excited about and and is to see somebody in law enforcement take it the extra steps.
That detective that put him away for murder in California back in 2002. I love that she gets a gut feeling that
something just doesn't sit right with her and she decides, you know what, we're going to mandate this dude take a
DNA test. >> Yeah. because this guy's passed away since then. If this went unnoticed back
then, we would be sitting here with no I know we have a whole bunch of extra questions involved, but we'd be sitting
here with no answers at all. She not only did her darnest to put him behind bars,
>> you know, when we don't have a lot of cases where we we have talked about, you
know, women and law enforcement, so it's kind of serendipitous. >> Since then, she has been promoted to
captain and and she is nearing retirement. >> She's a captain. Yeah, she's a captain
just like youaptain >> of a but she's a captain of a much bigger prestigious garage than this one.
I'm >> captain. My captain. >> That's right. So, >> I salute her. >> She's coming up on retirement and she
said that she is hoping to >> There's nothing wrong with older ladies. >> All right. U you can you can you can
send her some fan mail on your own time. >> How about some flowers >> or some socks
>> or Yeah. Hey, >> but she she's coming up on retirement. She does say that she plans to assist uh
the New Hampshire State Police uh even well into retirement as far as Robert Evans is concerned.
>> Well, here's what I like about it is normally when law enforcement gets the man, right, they get who they think is
responsible for a murder or for a crime, it normally stops, right? We don't need
to go any further. And yeah, I understand that we're going to keep diving into this Robert Evans guy
because we want to know if he had any other victims and can we bring closure to anybody else.
>> But we still have these four identifi unidentified people in these barrels and we're going to continue to do some
work to try to figure out who they are. >> Because because they deserve answers,
you know what I mean? They deserve an end of their story. >> And they believe that with presenting to
the public who this killer is, who killed those people, that they think that now they might be able to put an
identity to these people by tracing it through that of Robert Evans or any of these other aliases that he had given
throughout the years. >> And what was so great is, you know, I posted uh, you know, the DNA where they
reconstruct what they think they would look like. I I posted that picture on our Instagram and and Twitter and
everything and a lot of people retweeted it and you know I mean that's nice because it, you know, promotes the show,
but it's also just to get this picture out there. How many of hundreds I mean here here's the thing that drives me
insane is that somebody like you know Kim Kardashian or somebody will post something on the internet and it's
millions and millions and for what you nobody you know put your fat ass away >> you know and go ruin another guy's
career Kanye hasn't put out [ __ ] since he's been with you nothing good anyways
but if people of that power if they put out this picture and millions of people saw that maybe we get some closure in
some of this stuff. >> Yeah. And I'm hoping that this thing catches fire because, you know, the
weird thing in researching this case, first of all, it wasn't it wasn't a case that I knew too much about. Um, and when
I started diving into it, I started seeing um, you know, witnesses, people coming forward in in the state of New
Hampshire that that are saying I shouldn't say witnesses, these are people being interviewed uh, for for
news stating that, you know what, >> I I didn't I hadn't heard of this case until five, six years ago, which is
which is crazy. I mean, it's four bodies in a barrel, but again, it it never went
anywhere. Um, so >> well the longevity of this, you know, starting way back in the 80s and then,
you know, almost 15 years later, then another barrel and then almost another 15 years later, DNA evidence and now we
have a guy. We still but again, we still have four victims that remain uh nameless
>> and they're they're working very hard. They got a lot of leads that they're working on. One of those being something
you mentioned earlier where they are going to use that same those same ways that they found out who Lisa Bowden was.
>> They're using those same methods to try to trace genealogy with the with the three un three and four unknown victims
uh in uh Allentown. >> Well, hopefully we get some answers. >> The thing here is though I I you touched
upon something too that that I want to just take a quick second to mention. you know, they're they're really curious
about the state of Texas for some reason, and they won't fully disclose why. Um, my suspicion, you said
something, maybe he had served time in prison at one point. Uh, and maybe that's why he just kind of pops up on
the map all of a sudden in 1977. And you would think, yes, you could connect him
via the fingerprints to an inmate, but maybe they've not tested it against the right sample. The thing here is I wonder
is also so old, you know. >> Yeah. And remember when we when we covered the yogurt shop murders, we
talked about how the state of Texas was releasing prisons due to overcrowding in
the 70s. This guy just pops up all of a sudden in the 70s. They're focusing on the state of Texas. I'm curious if he
might have served some time in the state of Texas. May maybe the other thing though is he's he's a runaway that
joined the military or the Navy and he doesn't pop up until he he gets out of the Navy.
>> It's a fascinating case. I really do think that we're going to see a lot of information come out regarding Robert T.
Evans and hopefully these unidentified victims within this next year. >> Again, yeah, hopefully we get some
answers. And again, thanks for sharing uh all the stuff on social media. And uh do we have a recommended reading for
this week? >> We do. We have a recommended reading and a recommended viewing. First up, the
reading, of course, the book we discussed yesterday, Expecting to Die by Lisa Jackson. Uh, that's a fictional
thriller. You can pick that up. We have that listed on our recommended page on our website, and you can pick that up
through the Amazon banner there. And for recommended viewing, I'm I'm pretty pumped up about this, Captain. It's
called Capture, Kill, Release. It's about a young married couple that documents their descent down the rabbit
hole as they seek to fulfill one of their darkest desires. Uh, this is loosely based off of the real life Ken
and Barbie murders, which of course is one of the most famous cases from our brothers and sisters up north in Canada.
Uh, so check out Capture Kill Release that just came out this week and that's available on Amazon as well. Again, big
happy happy happy women's day. So proud of you crazy freaks that listen to murder shows.
Anyways, thanks for listening. Thanks for the support. And we'll see you next week.
>> And until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter, except for Darren.

Body Barrel /// Part 2 /// Episode: 88

In 1985 a 55 gallon barrel drum is found in a wooded area in Allenstown, New Hampshire. Inside are two decomposed female bodies. From the very start the investigation is an up hill struggle as the identity of the bodies is unknown. Usually this is reason enough to get into the garage, crack open a beer and the case file, but this case is one of the strangest we have seen yet. This investigation spans over 30 years, through several states and leads us to a man of many names. The body barrel found in New Hampshire is Pandora's box. Who knows what we will find? Join us in the garage for one of the strangest cases you have ever heard.

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Brief Summary

Bob Evans is identified as the killer of Denise Bowden and the Allenstown 4, with ongoing efforts to identify the victims.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts welcome listeners and celebrate National Women's Day with a drink review.
Breakthrough in the Case. New Hampshire attorney general announces a breakthrough in identifying the killer after 30 years.
Discovery of Human Remains. Investigators find a human foot while searching the property of Larry Vanner.
A Living Jane Doe. The detective uncovers that a girl known as Lisa has lived without knowing her true identity.
Robert Evans' Dark Past. Robert Evans is connected to multiple murders and the abandonment of a child.
Denise Bowden's Disappearance. Denise Bowden went missing in 1981, but was only reported missing in 2016.

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