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[Music] Darren [Music] investigators say Bob Evans is responsible for the deaths of Denise
Bowden four unidentified people in Allenstown and yuno June let's take a closer look at exactly who these victims
are now we begin with Denise Bowden who graduated from gtown high school in 1976
she worked at Carol cable and the demmer's nursing home in Manchester before her disappearance now when Bowden
was 23 years old she lived at 925 Hayward street in Manchester with Evans who was her boyfriend at the time
shortly after Thanksgiving in 1981 Bowden disappeared her body never found four years later the bodies of an adult
woman and a female child related to that woman were found in a barrel in a wooded
area of Allenstown the adult described as a white woman with brown hair 23 to 33 years old the the child described as
white and between the ages of 5 and 11 then in 2000 two more children were found in barrels on the same Allenstown
property both girls were around 2 or 3 years old new DNA results show that the girl on the left is the daughter of Bob
ebans and the girl on the right is also related to the unidentified woman found in the first Barrel none of the bodies
have been identified fast forward a year later in August 2001 yunsun June had an
unofficial backyard marriage ceremony with Evans in Richmond California she was reported missing in September of the
following year and later found buried in her basement a couple of months later Evans was arrested and eventually
convicted for her [Music] [Music] murder we have been discussing the Allenstown 4
the four unidentified victims that were found in Allenstown the first two found in a barrel 1985 the second two found in
a almost exact same similar Barrel in 2000 and these victims have remained unidentified well in January of this
year there becomes a huge break in this case yeah so the New Hampshire attorney general announced that they believe that
they have discovered the man involved in the Bear Brook murders also known as the
allent towns 4 to be clear here the state of New Hampshire attorney general he announced in a press conference that
after 30 some years of looking the police are confident in regards to the four female victims found in Allenstown
in the two barrels they now believe that they have their man which is pretty crazy though right because I mean this
is the first time that I've ever heard of a case where we we identify the murderer mhm M but we still can't
identify the victims yeah and he starts off the press conference by saying that that exact same statement you really
yeah that that usually you know you have to there's the that General process that
you identify the victims and you take it from there and then you you catch the killer this situation quite a bit
different but that they're putting out this information because they're hoping to receive some information in return
now the thing is we're going to see that there is a lot of information that's still needed on this case this is is
going to be something that you're going to see worked very hard in the next year
or two and I think we're going to see further information come out but let's go through what we do know as of this
year so the New Hampshire attorney general stated that Robert or Bob Evans is believed to be the killer of these
four victims so who is this Bob Evans actually can can we call him Robert Evans Captain I don't want to disturb my
my weekend breakfast um so Robert Evans is a man that just pretty recently police have been able to place him in
New Hampshire as late as 1981 and we will show you how they are able to connect him to the four female victims
in Allenstown but to do so we have to first talk about California because Robert Evans was serving a 15-year
sentence for murder in California for killing his girlfriendwife this is unson June right and to do that we got to go
back to the year 20 2 yeah September 2002 this story starts starts off in California's Contra Casta County and we
have a missing person's case the person in question is unson June the first signs emerg that there is something that
is not right when she did not show up for a scheduled lunch with a friend she also started missing her regular pottery
classes that she attended a friend of jun's was dissatisfied with the answers that she was getting in regards to
June's whereabouts from her husband she stopped believing explanations and excuses as to where her friend was and
then she calls the Contra Costa sheriff's department and the friend decides to file missing person's report
in this report the friend States the last time that she had seen unson June was around May 31st 2002 and she at this
point she was married to Robert Evans yeah they had some people will refer refer to them as husband and wife or
they will refer to this Robert Evans as a boyfriend um because they were married
in some like backyard ceremony so it wasn't like super official um what happens is after that missing person's
report is filed the sheriff's department their missing person's crime unit they decide to go do a welfare check at the
woman's home which is located in East Richmond Heights mhm uh the husband a man who is actually going by the name of
Larry Vanner told the investigators that she was out of the state and he like he's he's very Cooperative with the
people that you know now we we we have to we have to kind of touch upon something
here and it's going to come around full circle and we can explain it as we go um
but we're going to start to see a lot of different names in this story and a lot
of those names are being used by one character so Robert Evans is using multiple names throughout this story
when Larry Vanner and Robert Evans are the same person we will get into that a little bit later you'll see how that's
connected M so when Larry Vanner he's so Cooperative with these investigators we
should just say Larry AKA Robert okay Larry AK AKA Robert is so Cooperative with the investigators that he even
agrees to go down to the department to answer some questions regarding the whereabouts of his wife they interview
him for quite some time um and Vanner was given a phone and he makes a phone call he calls a number a number that he
calls for memory which turns out to be a licensed therapist in Eugene Oregon now
the detective would later State how she thought that was really weird because he
had this number memorized and she believed it was part of like a ruse like the fact that he had gone this far to to
form some kind of plan in advance and she couldn't really put her finger on was this something that he kept in his
back pocket as a plan to get out of this particular situation or really was this
something he would do to get out of any situation right right the detective quickly realizes that the name Lawrence
William Vanner which is the name that the man had given had no paper trail he had no driver's license in the state of
California he had no driver license in any state in the US that they could find and he had no criminal history or
records of any kind nothing that they looked for in their databases at the sheriff's department turned up regarding
the name Lawrence William Vanner but this guy he still agrees to keep talking to her answering questions and he even
agrees to be fingerprinted so she also said that they made quite a bit of small talk and
mainly this is because the guys seem to be very chat she also commented that he had these
really strange super blue twinkly eyes but as far as questioning went he was a very personable guy eyes yeah like The
Whiz from Seinfeld yes much like the whiz yeah sometimes Vanner even spoke in a type of
like sing songy voice when they were talking um anyway so he gives his I never really understood that sing songy
thing does somebody talk like this or something like this in every musical that you watch they do that well right
right but that's an actual song but sing songy Talk really well Verner did this from time to time during the the
questioning process and he does give his fingerprints as we said and while the Live Scan began to run the prince
through the database the detectives took Vanner out to a corner store so that he
could get a drink and a pack of cigarettes the detective in an attempt to get some more information about this
man asked him if his accent was from the East Coast she says to him your accent's
very interesting where did you grow up Vanner then stopped talking and he leaned in real close to the detective's
personal space and with a completely different tone he said that's none of your goddamn business she said it was
like a flick of a switch from from the normal behavior that she had seen before he completely changed con artist yeah he
gets he gets very aggressive with her and then she says that he then switched it off again and he kept carrying on as
normal like nothing had happened and I'm going to post some pictures of this guy
of old Robert Evans he's he's definitely creepy looking he's like a creepy clown
yeah you know he's like a sadistic clown with twinkly blue eyes yeah he's just got the hair on the sides and none on
the top and it he's kind of got that clown face yeah there's this other picture too where he's wearing a Mickey
Mouse shirt and he just you know kind of ruined Mickey Mouse for me for the next
week or so and breakfast um the fingerprints come back and what they learned from the
fingerprints gets even stranger okay so this now shows that Larry Vanner was the
same person as a man named Curtis Mayo Kimble a man who was once convicted of abusing and abandoning a little girl at
an RV park in 1986 what had happened was he was on Parole for that conviction and he like
the they let him out instead of checking in and doing all the stuff you're supposed to do on parole to you know
reincorporate yourself back into society instead he just takes off so the detective then reads him his rights
because of course Larry Vanner he's he's this Kimble guy and he's needs to be taken into custody for
the parole violation and of course Larry vaner at this point stops talking to the
detective right lawyers up um I I don't they didn't cover that in this in this portion of the story I
don't think that he actually L lawyered up at this point right he just said I'm not talking because this is all kind of
happening very quickly there none of your goddamn business so now what he said to her they decide that his
premises are subject to a search so they go and they get the appropriate warrant
and they took a key to June's house from Larry vor's belongings and then they go
to the house and once there they find pictures of the missing woman still on the refrigerator but then they don't
find any women's clothing in the house and then they well at least there's pictures Well up of her in the house
it's going to get it's going to get a little weird because now they start to notice the weird stuff uh there are some
areas on the property that look to have been recently dug up there was a dried up dead kitten Over The Back Fence the
that's that is weird yeah if you're going to dig up some of the property at least put the cat the dead cat in one of
those holes right uh the garage was padlocked so they open the padlock to the garage and inside they find Pottery
ail and a potter's wheel these are all Junes items at the back of the garage they find a small door they open the
door now this is a very dark room so they're using flashlights at this point they can see a water heater and near the
water he heater is a pile of kitty litter it's mounded over some extension cords yeah there are Workshop lights
that are hung up in this cramped little space uh they're not on uh but they also
see a small axe and a reciprocating saw well this is where they're starting to feel feel very bad now now we've got to
call in the forensics unit right cuz cuz this whole place might be a crime scene
so the crime scene unit came in and they started off by taking photographs of the
entire place now it becomes time to move the mound of cat litter so they very carefully moved just a little bit of the
cat litter at first and this is when they discovered a human foot still in a rubber
flip-flop but okay but it's fully mummified by this point right but yes the the life lesson that we learned
right what was it you remember was the life lesson that we learned yesterday don't go looking in the barrel don't
open the barrel yeah but this is their job this is different I know but I'm saying it's it's what you can take away
from the show what you can learn as an individual this is not our job our job is to flex our golden pipes on these
microphones but so lesson number one yesterday do not open the the barrel mhm and lesson number two today is don't
move the cat litter don't touch the kitty litter well so of course murder charges
followed for the man that they knew as Vanner and K Kimble right so he is charged is well real quick question
though so we know that he is Kimble right like that's who he is know we know that Larry Vanner is Curtis Kimbell
right and Curtis and Curtis Campbell actually has some kind of record we have fingerprints on file yeah and that's why
I think they charge him as Curtis Kimbell and not as this Larry Vanner because there is some paper trail for
Curtis Kimble now can you explain to me how we get to Robert Evans yes but it's going to it's going to take a little
more okay A little more explanation and trust me this will all come back around full circle at the end I promise so he
ends up playing don't you lie to me boy he's charged as Curtis Kimbell but to everyone's surprise he ends up playing
guilty to the charge he pleed guilty to Second deegree murder and was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison it's not
enough man so what ends up what what ends up happening this turns out to be a good thing for Mr Kimble AKA Vanner
because this avoids the man a trial and more importantly to him an investigation
into the man calling himself Lawrence fanner right so the short of that is this Detective not only puts This Man
Behind Bars but she establishes through the fingerprint match that Lawrence Vanner is also Curtis Kimble and Curtis
Kimble was wanted on parole violation for abuse and abandonment of a minor a minor that the court system believed to
be his child now this awesome detective decides that you know what we should trace this guy as far back as we can
right because of course the thought being here is if he is guilty of this kind of stuff stuff and he has used more
than one name we might want to at least round the bases once to just to be safe to see what else we can dig up in the
process right cuz we know he's a murderer mhm and we know that the whole child pedophilia stuff and then normally
repeat offenders yeah and you know what my thought here is at the very least they might want to tried to reach out to
that child to see what name he was going by when he was connected was he was he Kimble wasner was he a
different name you know there's only so much that they even have on this Kimble guy you know they traced Vanner to
Kimble they only have one arrest for this Kimble dude so she tracks Vanner AKA Kimble and she figures out that he
had had uh a relationship with June uh that began in 2000 this was the the murdered wife uh before that this
Detective believes that he had lived and worked in Contra Casta California from about 1990 to the year
2000 so from 1990 before that there's quite a bit of a gray area because they don't really
have much information on him until the year of 1986 as far as this detective is concerned right so the other than him
being arrested in 1986 for the abandonment of a girl that he called Lisa this was at an RV park in Northern
California she couldn't find anything else on him and she says you know that just didn't make any sense to me that
this guy had this little girl in 1986 so what she does is she orders a DNA paternity test in 2003 this is
shortly after he pleads guilty to the murder charge this is to determine whether or not he is the biological
father of the girl called Lisa yeah the one that was abandoned at the RV park so
what happened is now they've determined you know is is he the biological father the DNS DNA tests come in and it turns
out that he in fact is not the father of the girl named Lisa right so now we have
this girl that he had abandoned and no one knew where this girl had come from so now we have to go back a little
bit further right we let's go back to the child abuse abandonment charge that he faced as Curtis Kimble right so so
now we we go back to this this man Curtis Kimble shows up in January of 1986 this man is living and working at
the Holiday host RV Park in Scott Valley uh this is in Northern California and he's living there working there and with
him is a girl believed to be about 5 years old and he is calling the girl Lisa um he
in June or July of 1986 he leaves Lisa with a family that lives in the RV park so the way that
these charges come about is that after she is living with the family for several months Lisa starts telling the
family about the man who had abandoned her um and she believes him to be her father but she's telling the family
about some of the things that took place and we don't have details of that and that's probably a good thing um but what
ends up happening is this family then notifies law enforcement to to tell them you know something Not only was this
girl abandoned but we believe she was abused before she was abandoned right and so that's how we get to these
charges against Curtis Kimbell now we have a very strange situation though here Captain this is something that
doesn't happen very often at all what the detective quickly realizes is this young girl that was called Lisa she
might have been 5 years old that just appeared in this RV park right well now she's an adult and she is basically a
living Jane Doe which which we you very seldom see that so now we have a situation where we have a person that's
lived most of their life and they really don't know who they are or where they're
from one it's creepy stuff and and and it kind of makes you wonder like when you meet somebody is are they who they
say they are right I mean um right cuz really until you see any kind of documentation you just take people at
their work it doesn't even matter if you see documentation yeah really I mean this guy I'm Scott White
uh well you're definitely vanilla yeah you know what though uh I'm speaking to a guy that uses
a uses an alias so maybe shouldn't be uh they kind of frown upon it if you're teaching children they frown upon you
talking about murders I get you on the internet so that that's why that happened okay so's let's make some sense
of this let's recap this real quickly so Robert Evans we we now know that he is responsible for the deaths and the the
four victims that were four unidentified victims in Allenstown New Hampshire yes
right and from there they trace him back to California mhm and the California Connection is the murder of his wife or
girlfriend that he lived with in 2002 using the name Larry yep he Larry Vanner and from there with the fingerprint
match they trace him back to that RV Park from that charge in 1986 of abandoning a minor with with
possible abuse and in in regards to that um you know he was sentenced I believe it was a threeyear sentence he served
one year and then he up and left uh the first day of his parole well of course he did and and what I think they should
do and I don't know if they've done this but have they tested uh this living Jane
Doe's DNA with any of the DNA from the barrels um I believe that they have but we're going to get there's a whole bunch
of DNA that that comes up out of this but we will have to get into that after this beer
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New Hampshire are calling Robert Evans was living under other names in California old IHOP Evans he ple guilty
to the murder of his wife girlfriend that he lives with and in 2013 that is when the DNA test is
requested of or required of this Robert Evans person so in August of 2013 the DNA testing determines that Robert Evans
and Lisa the girl that he had abandoned at the RV park were not biologically related so now we have a situation where
we're trying to initiate an investigation into the true identity of this girl named Lisa she was living
under the name of Lisa Jensen um and that was a name that was given to her by this man so again we have a a strange
situation where we have a living Jane Doe well and he's good at coming up with names
so and I mean he he doesn't come up with good names no but he's just good at coming up with names well Bob Evans I
mean he could have seen a sign old high hop yeah such a douche Burger so in 2014
San Bernardino the coso Enlisted the assistance of DNA adoption.com this is one of those like genealogy type
things you try to find your where you came from your family background well that's that's actually interesting cuz
one of the listeners posted yesterday if if they did a genealogy on the victims of the barrels which which is something
that police are working on doing right now oh that's good uh so we we'll get back to that it was a good listener
thought is what I was saying exactly some of these listeners should be involved in these cases um so they are
with the assistance of DNA adoption.com they use one of their search Angels is what I guess they call them a a genetic
genealogist to identify links to possible relatives of this Lisa girl mhm and what they find this takes quite a
bit of time but in 2016 they discover a first cousin and the grandfather of Lisa right now these
two people are identified and they are living in New Hampshire which led to proving that Lisa had ties to New
Hampshire right which would mean that Robert would have ties to New Hampshire as well exactly so what they discover
after talking with these people meeting with these people is that Lisa in fact is a girl that was known by the name of
Don Bowden mhm um and she happens to be the daughter of a missing person and this person's name is Denise Bowden now
the last known sighting of Denise Bowden would have been in November of 1981 so the police suspect that Denise
Bowden she went missing shortly after Thanksgiving of 1981 and at the time she had a six-month-old daughter this being
Don Bowden and she had a boyfriend that was going by the name of Robert Evans or
Bob Evans and they lived in Manchester New Hampshire what had happened was she had either spoken to or visited her
family for Thanksgiving and they they're not quite sure when the when these three people
kind of disappeared from the area but they believe that it would have been it had to have been after Thanksgiving but
it was definitely before Christmas so sometime in that early December time period they believe that these three
have disappeared and the thing that kind of blows my mind about all this is we have a missing person person that went
missing in ' 881 mhm and it's not until 2016 that she's reported missing correct
and that's what I was saying before I mean the whole idea with you know that some that people live that kind of life
or or people that have those kind of friends or family around them uh that would not report them missing it's it's
a very sad thing um you know well we don't know the Dynamics of their family um it may not have been any wrongdoing
on their part it see it's definitely strange 100% I mean you're talking about many years go by before she's reported
as missing right and then we have that information about the other serial killer Robinson and how he would you
know basically kidnap somebody or take somebody hostage and then he would write to the parents saying oh it's okay you
know I'm moving on with my life and and you were just talking earlier about how you also believe that uh Robinson would
have these victims sign pieces of paper yeah and so by having you know a signature maybe type up the letter but
with that signature you know the family just kind of believes it and I guess I think the problem here though is
you know if I was a father and I'm getting some letter from either a guy or I'm getting a letter that's quote
unquote from my daughter typed but with her signature right but then they're trying to tell me that she doesn't want
to be a part of my life well again hopefully I'm not you know hopefully I'm a decent father mhm and and and if I was
a decent father and somebody wanted to just be rid of me for no reason you know I'm going to fight that mhm so but but
again you again like you said we don't know their social dynamics so who knows the the thought here is what what the
family would tell us in 2016 was that the reason they didn't report either the mother or the daughter
as being missing was that it was presented to them now it's unclear to us the general public if it was Robert
Evans presenting this to them or if it was their own daughter presenting this to them Denise Bowden but it was
presented to them that they basically owed a whole bunch of money to everybody in the area of Manchester New Hampshire
where they lived M so the thought was was they were going to uproot move elsewhere transplant and and set up shop
elsewhere and create a new life somewhere debt-free right um the family probably thought they were doing their
daughters some favors by not leading the possible debt collectors to her um that
being the thought again though 30 years go by it's strange yeah again it I mean you know maybe you don't hear from the
first Christmas and you know nothing you know no big deal you know she's she's starting her new
life but by the second Christmas I'm looking for this person you know I mean how can you just let your daughter just
disappear almost yeah and and I said you know we don't know if it was Robert Evans that presented that the story to
them or if it was their own daughter my guess is it might have been the daughter
presenting it because the vibe I got from the attorney general and from the officers that were explaining this whole
situation to the public the vibe I got was that the family was not a fan of this Robert Evans like that he was
somebody that they they didn't like from the G which is more of a reason to go find him punch him in his stupid [ __ ]
face and then his clown face his clown face and then pee in his little twinkly eyes I'll make I'll make his little eyes
twinkle wow wow just his face it just got real no because here's why I'm getting pissed off about it because what
we're seeing is the cycle and it and it and it involves pedophilia that's what it involves
that's what it comes down to why why was this girl missing for 30 years because she had a daughter he prayed on her and
and it was the daughter he wanted the daughter and you see this time and time again where these uh douche bers come
out and they pray on single mothers with daughters or sons and they molest those
kids and then once the mother finds out about about it well now you got to kill the mother and that's what this Robert
Evans was doing time and time again mhm was getting into situations and I guarantee you his girlfriendwife that's
probably why she ended up dead and why they found her at her house dead because she probably figured out that he was
doing this [ __ ] or or figured out that he had some very sketchy past um you know anything's possible regarding that
uh we should State very clearly here that Denise Bowden is still technically a missing person she's not been
identified as having been found anywhere or um she's dead or to be living anywhere and you're exactly right the
way that this has been presented by the Attorney General is that they expect that knowing Robert Evans past and
knowing what he's capable of they firmly and the amount of time that's gone by frankly they firmly believe that that
their looking for remains as far as Denise Bowden would go all right so let's connect this all together yeah so
in the summer of 2016 the San berino uh County Sheriff's Office they contact the
Manchester Police Department regarding the identification of Don Bowden So Lisa Jensen the girl that was left at the RV
park is actually Don Bowden the daughter of Denise Bowden and I'm so glad that they did their work so she has Le has
some closure and that she has some sense of an actual past before this monster yeah can you imagine that though this
this this Lisa girl she's living with the name Lisa for all these years and she was adopted out and went on to live
a very normal happy life from what we have heard um can you imagine that situation though that that you you you
really basically have no family background or understanding of your family background or where you came from
you don't you don't know your mom you you well sometimes I wish I didn't know my family background you have this guy
that you think is your father that that probably abused you at the very least he
abandoned you and so you probably consider yourself lucky to have survived and got out of that situation and then
all these years later you're contacted you're living your normal life you know and you're doing your normal things and
then you get contacted and you're told you know that that guy that left you at the RV park we figured out that that was
not his real name and he's not your father so sorry I got sidetracked there but back to the summer of 2016 this is
when California contacts the New Hampshire Manchester Police Department regarding the identification of Don
Bowden the girl in connection with a missing female Denise Bowden the mother and they let them know that uh the
person that they ECT of being involved in this disappearance would be a person that they've already convicted of
homicide in 2002 right so that same year a multi- agency investigation begins to
determine that Bob Evans Robert Evans his they determine his connections to Manchester New Hampshire and Allenstown
New Hampshire what's the major connection between old Robert IHOP Evans and the the four in the barrel so in
October of 2016 they take Robert Evans DNA profile remember they already have this from
from checking with the Lisa girl and they compare that profile to all of the three female these are the minor female
victims that were found in Allenstown right well the results showed that Robert Evans was the father of the
middle child remember this is the child that is non-maternal related to the other victims mhm so what are the
Allenstown connections beyond that of the DNA this is what the officers are able to determine that at some point in
the late 1970s a man that shows up using the name Robert T Evans or to friends or
co-workers he's known as Bob Evans that he lived and worked in Manchester New Hampshire uh he worked at the wck Mill
in Manchester as a mechanic and electrician mhm um he when he was working there he worked with the owner
of the property in Allenstown where the barrels with the bodies in them were found in 1985 right because there was
that little store yeah and in 2000 um he provided electrical work to the Bear Brook store that was located on
that property uh and he here's the thing though too that makes you want Wonder Captain once you kind of see this
situation with Robert Evans and you know that that a lot of these crimes might be
driven by his pedophilia right and then we hear about the owner his last name was Callahan that owned that property
worked with him at the wck Mills doesn't it make you wonder does this Callahan character with his
background and pedophilia do you wonder if there's if there's some kind of connection there it seems a little too
big of a coinci to me right mhm a couple questions initially that come up one was
it the pedophilia that brought them together and then they decided to you know work together or was it through
work and odd conversation I don't know how that conversation starts but uh I don't want to ever have that happen cuz
I I I think I just slap the person but then a weird thought kind of popped into my head what if a lot of this pedophilia
stuff what if this other guy wasn't actually that involved mhm you know I mean and it was just H happen St or
something it's it's it's possible I the thing here is you you you imagine if this Callahan guy is guilty of lesser
crimes I don't think he's letting somebody dump bodies on his property right um actually guilty or not guilty
of anything you're not letting people dump bodies on your property um well and this starts making me feel a little more
like the whole idea of um sex trafficking human trafficking mhm yeah it it appears to be something of that
nature we we have these unidentified people that that one could think part partly they they're unidentified because
they were brought into that area another connection here is that the first Barrel
that was found uh with the adult and the oldest child that were dismembered in this Barrel remember they were found in
trash bags but these were multiple trash bags so what what Robert Evans did or whomever placed them there did was to
package these things together the trash bags were tied together with electrical wire now we already said that he has a
background as an electrician right so that makes sense this electrical wire could be could potentially be traced
back to a place called Carol cable now this is interesting because that is where Denise Bowden worked
so I do want to throw this out there though it is a bit of a loose connection because it's been presented to me that
that type of cable that type of wire was actually a very common type of wire but
again here that it would be another big coincidence right well but the fact of the matter with the old Denise case is
he had her daughter he took her daughter across the country we've know we we see
this pattern with him you know know as far as murders go and you know so we don't we don't have to sit there and say
well he he had some cable because he probably worked at this cable company that's where she worked that's another
nail in the head I don't need any more Nails in the head you know this guy right I think it's more of a connection
to the four unidentified bodies um in regards to Denise Bowden there were people that provided law enforcement
with pictures of this Robert Evans with Denise Bowden so it's not just somebody coming forward and saying well I know
this Robert Evans guy was with Denise Bowden no they have photographical proof um some other kind of loose ends here we
have with the Allenstown victims remember the the the girlfriend wife that he killed in California um all five
of these victims died from blunt force trauma um and the the uh several almost all these victims as well were
dismembered so we we see a bit of a pattern as far as uh cleaning up a a scene and getting rid of bodies and
through investigation they were able to uncover that Robert Evans was known to actually dump stuff on the site before
yeah and they had confirmed that barrels from the mill from the womach mill were
dumped on the property as well now what they're saying in regards to the actual two barrels where the bodies were found
stuffed into is that these they're not they can't place them as having come from the Womack Mill but it but it makes
sense I mean but they're similar they're very similar yes and then sometimes you
know if you work in any warehouse you know sometimes you have like everything normally comes in this crate or in this
Barrel right but then every now and then you just get a couple crates or a couple
barrels that look a little different get a oneoff right and those might have been
put to the side and he possibly could have used those CU they weren't using them at at his work mhm that now
remember we had said that they were able to establish that at some point in the late 1970s that Robert T Evans had moved
into the Manchester New Hampshire area uh they have him living there until approximately 1981 when he leaves with
Denise Bowden and her daughter um they are able to confirm they don't know the exact time or date that he would have
moved into this property but they have him as living at a at 925 Hayward street in Manchester New Hampshire now what has
taken place since all of this uncovering has happened is that they have gone back
to that property and mainly they went back there to look for the remains of Denise Bowden right um they they spent
almost I think they spent three or four days there uh with FBI and other agencies involved and they were unable
to find any trace of remains human remains Denise B the problem is it's 30 some years later mhm so of course police
are still looking for Denise Bowden uh she's been missing since November of 1981 she was 23 years old at the time
that she had disappeared or was last seen she had brown hair brown eyes she was about 5' 4 to 5' 6 in tall 120 to
140 lb she had a noticeable overbite um and as we had said she was known to have
been living in the Manchester New Hampshire area um the problem though is when you have a guy like Robert T Evans
who moves all over the country with all these different names you don't know where you could potentially find this
person she might even be a Jane Doe in some other state that that's been sitting there waiting to be named all
these years did they do a DNA test between the girl that he left abandoned and the girls that were in the barrel
to see if there was some kind of connection there there I believe they have and I believe that there's not um
any type of connection to to them as far as being relatives so I would I would just be it would be suspect to me that
that that the middle child that they believe is connected to Bob Evans or Robert Evans would be maybe related to
the Bowens yeah anything's a possibility at this point so what do we let's try to
point out what we think we know about Robert Evans uh because we have these little patches in time where we don't
have information on where he is and this becomes a big problem because we we're starting to see what this guy is
probably capable of I mean he's a chameleon right he he's a guy that moves into an area well no I mean here's what
we do know is we do know that he's capable of kidnapping we know he's capable of abandoning children we know
that he's capable he he has you know worked and probably was in cahoots with a pedophile with a known pedophile and
he's capable of murder so we know he's capable of a lot and it's very it's not it's very likely that he's a serial
killer that's been moving around this country for decades so the police estimate that Robert Evans was born
between the years of 1936 in 1952 well that's quite a span of time there that's 16 years of of not being able that's
scary when when you have this guy that you're saying he's our number one suspect he's probably guilty of this but
we don't even know if this is his real name and we can't tell you how old he is either MH so the reason the way that
they come up with these years as having been possible birth dates that he was born sometime during this time is that
on you know certain paperwork that he had filled out over the years he used different dates that fell within this
this range um he did die in prison um in December of 2010 so he will be unable to face
Justice regarding these victims that that we have in Allenstown he's also going to be unable to provide us with
any information as to who he is or potential additional victims that he may have well I can get I can tell you who
he is well uh he changed his name obviously frequently um he had some there's a lot of suspected aliases but
we can go through the confirmed aliases he he had lived or worked under these names at one time or another uh this
being Robert T Evans also Curtis Mayo Kimble General Gerald mockerman uh Gordon Curtis Jensen and Lawrence
William Vanner which was the name that he was using when he murdered his his girlfriend that he was living with yeah
occupations uh he had worked at different times as a electrician or a ma mechanic um they have a suspicion that
he might have possibly worked at the Manchester New Hampshire VA um and here's here's one thing that
they're really looking into right now regarding him is that they think they suspect he might have some form of
military background and they even kind of specify that they believe it might be the Navy mhm and this just being because
of the way that he would write dates the way that carried himself the way that he
talked to people uh at different jobs that he had had um and they they even say that he was known to kind of rig
things rather than fix them that he would rig them in a manner that was would be something that they would be
used to seeing in a military fashion right so he would kind of Jerry rig a bunch of stuff and uh but he was also a
known alcoholic as as well yeah they believe that he was probably an alcoholic for most of his life kind like
when he got cigar cigarettes and and and booze and said it's n your goddamn business yeah it's not your goddamn
business if I'm alcoholic well and he was obviously you know as far as characteristics go he was obviously a
transient um and they can confirm that he throughout his life lived in different campgrounds trailer parks and
motel you know not really lying roots in too many places or too many places for a
very long period of time um confirm locations now this is important because they're trying to figure out one where
this guy was from you know he pops up on the map in the late 70s they have nothing of of him before that but his
confirmed locations would be obviously New Hampshire and in California but they also have tied him to the state of Idaho
and this is because he was arrested in the mid 80s in California with a stolen vehicle from the state of Idaho now what
what they're really looking for and hoping for is that somebody comes forward and and says you know what I
know you know I knew the guy that stole my vehicle or or he lived down the street and he went by this name right um
so those are the confirmed locations they have some possible locations where they think that he may have lived well
cuz he could he could have possibly been in jail for other murders MH yeah and so
the possible locations of where he he may have lived at some point would be the state of Washington Oregon and
Arizona Wyoming Colorado Missouri Virginia Georgia Louisiana Hawaii uh small part of Canada and Quebec Canada
well possibly Hawaii I mean that would make sense if he was in the Navy yeah he could have been stationed there for for
whatever reason and also the the state of Texas um now I do want to throw this out
there this guy is obviously not to be believed on anything you know what I mean that we we you know you know people
that that tell stories and you say well take what they say with a grain of salt I I don't even think you can use a grain
of salt when you're talking about Robert Evans here the these are locations that
they question because he has some ties or he has said mentioned these places to people at some point in his life now any
of those background stories that he was giving to these people could be completely fabricated right complete
Malarkey yeah they seem to be really focusing on the state of tech as far as law enforcement goes they're
they're really interested in the state of Texas um and yeah and I think what's going to come down to is they're going
to they're doing a lot of hard work and I and I I'm grateful for them to do that
because there are other missing person cases there's there's probably other John or John do probably Jane do in this
scenario but there's missing person cases there's Jane Do's out there that are connected to this guy Y and they
just need to keep doing the work work to do that and maybe bring closure to somebody mhm and well then that leads us
perfectly into this because then you start to wonder Bob Evans Robert Evans uh his victims and potential victims who
would be his potential victims well obviously the Allenstown 4 which seems like he's very very likely the guilty
person in that situation um we also have The Disappearance of Denise Bowden who's
still not been found who went missing in 1981 right um of course his his ex-wife
ex-girlfriend that that he killed in in California um but we also have the mother of the middle child in Allenstown
right we have this this whole other woman that's not we don't have a name for her we don't we don't know anything
about this person right this is a whole potential victim that that we don't know
anything about now there is some suspicions regarding some possibilities of who could be that middle child's
mother um and this being a woman that they are trying to figure out if she even existed or not um and her name
would be Elizabeth Evans so in January of of 1980 a certified letter addressed to Robert Evans was signed for by a
person by the name of Elizabeth Evans um and at two points in in that same year he was arrested um and on both of those
times at both of those times he listed his spouse's name as Elizabeth now the strange thing here though is on a later
arrest date in October of 1980 he's arrested again and this time he does not list a spouse so right again they're
unable to confirm if this person even exist or not or or could it be somebody living under an alias that's traveling
along with him right but it right but but but by force you see what I'm saying I think it's more likely if if he was
traveling with somebody again he's either conning them or it's by force and he's holding people and that's goes back
to the whole sex trafficking and if this Elizabeth Evans person is not the mother
of the middle child then you increase your potential victim list by by another person um it's it's it's a crazy case um
one of the Stranges that that I've seen um I got to say here though Captain what
really what really kind of drives this whole thing and what I'm really excited about and and is to see somebody in law
enforcement take it the extra steps that detective that put him away for murder in California back in
2002 I love that she gets a gut feeling that something just doesn't sit right with her and she decides you know what
we're going to mandate this dude take a DNA test yeah because this guy's passed away since then if this went unnoticed
back then we would be sitting here with no I know we have a whole bunch of extra
questions involved but we'd be sitting here with no answers at all she not only did her darnest to put him behind bars
you we don't have a lot of cases where we we have talked about you know women and law enforcement so it's kind of
serendipitous since then she has been promoted to Captain and and she is nearing retirement she's a captain yeah
she's a captain just like you of a but she's a captain of a much bigger prestigious garage than this one I'm
sure captain my captain that's right I salute her she's coming up on retirement and she said that she is hoping to
nothing wrong with older lady all right uh you can you can you can send her some
fan mail on your own time how about some flowers or some socks or so yeah hey but
she she's coming up on retirement she does say that she plans to assist uh the New Hampshire State Police uh even well
into retirement as far as Robert Evans is concerned well here's what I like about it it's normally when law
enforcement gets the man right they get who they think is responsible for a murder or for a crime it normally
stops right man we don't need to go any further and yeah I understand that we're
going to keep diving into this Robert Evans guy because we want to know if he had any other victims and can we bring
closure to anybody else but we still have these four identifi unidentified people in these
barrels and we're going to continue to do some work to try to figure out who they are mhm because cuz they deserve
answers you know what I mean they deserve an end of their story and they believe that with presenting to the
public who this killer is who killed those people did they think that now they might be able to put an identity to
these people by tracing it through that of Robert Evans or any of these other aliases that he had given throughout the
years and what was so great is you know I posted uh you know the DNA where they reconstruct
what they think they would look like I I posted that picture on our Instagram and
and Twitter and everything and a lot of people retweeted it and you know I mean that's nice cuz it you know promotes the
show but it's also just to get this picture out there how many of hundreds I mean here here's the thing that drives
me insane is that somebody like you know Kim Kardashian or somebody will post something on the Internet and it's
millions and millions and for what you nobody you know put your fat ass away you know and go ruin another guy's
career Kanye hasn't put out [ __ ] since he's been with you nothing good anyways
but if people of that power if they put out this picture and millions of people saw that maybe we get some closure in
some of this stuff yeah and I'm hoping that this thing catches fire because you know the weird thing in researching this
case first of all it wasn't it wasn't a case that I Knew Too Much about um and when I started diving into it I
started seeing um you know Witnesses people coming forward in in the state of New Hampshire that that are saying I
shouldn't say Witnesses these are people being interviewed uh for for news stating that you know what I I didn't I
hadn't heard of this case until five six years ago which is which is crazy I mean
it's four bodies in a barrel but again it it never went anywhere um so well the longevity of this you know starting way
back in the 80s and then you know almost 15 years later then another barrel and then almost another 15 years later DNA
evidence and now we have a guy we still but again we still have four victims that remain uh nameless and there
they're working very hard they got a lot of leads that they're working on one of
those being something you mentioned earlier where they are going to use that same those same ways that they found out
who Lisa Bowden was they're using those same methods to try to trace genealogy with the with the three un three and
four unknown victims uh in uh Allenstown well hopefully we get some answers the thing here is though I I you touched
upon something too that that I want to just take a quick second to mention you know they're they're really curious
about the state of Texas for some reason and they won't fully disclose why um my
suspicion you said something maybe he had served time in prison at one point uh and maybe that why he just kind of
pops up on the map all of a sudden in 1977 and you would think yes you could connect him via the fingerprints to an
inmate but maybe they've not tested it against the right sample the thing here is I wonder One is also so old you know
yeah and remember when we when we covered the yogurt shop murders we talked about how the state of Texas was
releasing prisons due to overcrowding in the 70s this guy just pops up all of a sudden in the 70s they're focusing on
the state of Texas I'm curious if he might have served some time in the state of
Texas May maybe the other thing though is he's he's a runaway that joined the military or the Navy and he doesn't pop
up until he he gets out of the Navy it's a fascinating case I really do think that we're going to see a lot of
information come out regarding Robert T Evans and hopefully these unidentified victims within this next year again yeah
hopefully we get some answers and again thanks for sharing uh all the stuff on social media and do we have a
recommended reading for this week we do we have a recommended reading and a recommended viewing first up the reading
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which of course is one of the most famous cases from our brothers and sisters up north in Canada uh so check
out capture kill release that just came out this week and that's available on Amazon as well again big happy happy
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n 1985 a 55 gallon barrel drum is found in a wooded area in Allenstown, New Hampshire. Inside are two decomposed female bodies. From the very start the investigation is an up hill struggle as the identity of the bodies is unknown. Usually this is reason enough to get into the garage, crack open a beer and the case file, but this case is one of the strangest we have seen yet. This investigation spans over 30 years, through several states and leads us to a man of many names. The body barrel found in New Hampshire is Pandora's box. Who knows what we will find? Join us in the garage for one of the strangest cases you have ever heard.

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Brief Summary

Robert Evans is identified as the suspected killer of Denise Bowden and the Allenstown Four, with ongoing investigations into his background and victims.

Key points

True Crime Garage Introduction. Hosts Nick and Captain celebrate National Women's Day and introduce their beer of the week.
The Allenstown Murders. Investigators reveal Bob Evans is responsible for the deaths of Denise Bowden and four unidentified victims.
Discovery of Human Remains. Investigators uncover a mummified human foot while searching a suspect's property.
Curtis Kimble's Troubling Past. Detectives uncover a troubling history involving Curtis Kimble and a girl named Lisa.
The Search for Denise Bowden. Denise Bowden, missing since 1981, is connected to the case of her daughter, Lisa.
The Mystery of Lisa Jensen. Lisa Jensen, abandoned at an RV park, is revealed to be Don Bowden, a missing person.

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