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true [Music] crime back in June of 1979 Kimberly niece borrowed her father's pickup truck
to go to town on a Friday night she was seen cruising the drag and popper Montana several hours before her body
was discovered in episode one we went through in detail the tragic and brutal murder of a promising young woman and
the bungled crime scene investigation that followed but then police almost out of nowhere get someone who confesses to
killing Kimberly niece this is 3 and 1/2 years after the murder and what is even
more strange the confession comes from all the way down in Monroe Louisiana in January of 1983 our old pal
Berry Beach he's down there at the police station in Monroe Louisiana he was originally brought in for some kind
of minor offense but the result is he confesses to killing Kimberly niece plus three other
people during the 3 and 1/2 years between when k umly was killed and Barry was arrested Barry Beach was bouncing
back and forth between Montana and Louisiana while down there his father's wife so his stepmother calls in a
complaint to the law enforcement agency down there she says Barry was assisting his stepsister and her friends in
running away from home and possibly skipping school so he's picked up for contributing to
the delinquency of a minor during this time period though the main concern of the police down there is a Serial
murderer who is on the loose and killing women in the area two women and a girl were killed and they had just put
together a task force to hunt down this killer now we got to keep in mind what is going on in the world at this very
moment remember up the road Road from Louisiana from 1979 to 1981 Wayne Williams was killing kids in
Atlanta Georgia he's convicted of two suspected of maybe 25 and well I believe Wayne Williams
killed 15 or 16 of those people in my humble garage opinion now these three murders in Louisiana started up in
August of 1980 and there's another murder in April of ' 81 and then again in February of
1982 Wayne Williams was on trial in Georgia at this time at the time of the third murder police formed a task force
and the phrase another Atlanta became common discussion Around Town Police announced that the murders were
connected but were tight lipped otherwise after the third murder even police and detectives were now saying
publicly I think we may have another Atlanta on our hands mhm so Captain police likely are telling Beach's
stepmother look lady we'll write this guy a ticket and move on because we have a serial killer here and we've got
bigger fish to fry mhm and Beach's stepmother because she is just such a nice and helpful person tells
police well that's interesting because Barry was questioned a couple of times about a murder of a 17-year-old girl
back in his hometown before he moved here well I mean look he did come home covered in blood the night a girl was
murdered in his very small town can we agree it's a questionable statement we have an officer who says he took a
statement from a woman who says my teenage son was covered in blood yet there's no
record of that statement anywhere other than this guy's this guy saying he took that statement and the mother saying I
never gave that statement right so it's a little it's a little dicey on if it were if it's true or not but but yeah I
hear you out I hear you so now police are like oh right this guy he's questioned back in his tiny
little town of popper and then he moves here and now all of a sudden we've got three murdered females and we know he's
a real son of a [Music] beach shout out to Howard Stern there and it turns out one of the women
murdered in Louisiana well there's some connection between her and Barry they knew each
other the Sheriff's Office contacted the Roosevelt County Sheriff's Office back in Montana and confirmed that beach was
in fact a Bonafide suspect in that unsolved murder the unsolved murder of Kimberly
niece with Roosevelt County's blessing the sheriff's office down in in Louisiana we have Sergeant Jay vaia and
Commander Alf and Commander Alfred Calhoun they questioned beach at the Sheriff's Office several different times
for several hours each time Beach initially denied killing n and he denied any involvement in the three Louisiana
murders as well I really don't like when they're questioning for lengthy periods
I think we've seen that time and time again go go wrong yeah and but what we're going to
end up getting is a confession on several different levels here as said he will eventually confess to
killing the three Louisiana victims and confess to killing Kimberly niece as well I want to just focus on the portion
of the Kimberly nie case before things I don't want things to get too convoluted
right we got to be able to to to walk through this and follow it as clear as possible Barry Beach's confession to the
killing of Kimberly niece basically goes like this he was partying with his two friends in a place called Sandy Beach on
the afternoon of June 15th 1979 this is when Beach said he got his car stuck in the sand then he ruined his
transmission TR trying to get it out in a fit of anger he yells at his friends he ends up punching the vehicle and
about at about 4:30 p.m. he left his friends and walked back to town there he asked a couple of friends
to drive him home the first people that he asked well they turned him down the second car that he asked they actually
drove him home once he got home he says that he took a nap and didn't wake up until sometime after it was already
ready dark when he did wake up he got dressed and he walked into town and he says that
he saw Kim sitting alone in her truck at the Exxon gas station MH Barry Beach asked Kim if she knew where her sister
Pam was remember he was kind of dating Pam at the time she says I I I don't know what
answer she she gives to this question it's not clear in the statements that he provided to police but the result is he
ends up asking Kim if he could ride with her ride around town and hang out with her
mhm he says that she agreed to this so they drove around aimlessly around the tiny little town of
popler for a while before parking at the train bridge and this is where Kim's vehicle the truck would later be found
mhm Kim and Barry sat in her truck according to Barry talking for some time talking about the
normal kid crap right talking about high school Kim going off to college after the summer Pam and Barry's relationship
and Kim and Greg's relationship normal stuff eventually after some beers they smoke a joint and continue
talking Barry steers the conversation away from Pam and him to maybe something with Kim and him Kim doesn't seem to
like this idea Barry tells her he wants to have sex with her she turns him down he tries to touch her she
pushes him away he tries to kiss her she pushes him away and tells him to get out
of the truck Barry calms her down and offers to smoke some more weed with her he says in
his confession he thought if she got a little messed up she might change her mind
yeah after joint number two Barry is going to give it another shot and of course he shot down and this time Kim is
having no more of his Shenanigans no more of his rude aggressive behavior and as he tries to touch her
again he this this again after she has refused all of his advances she smacks him Barry says he smacks her back the
detective inquires further did you smack her with your hand or your fist Barry says with his
fist so he describes this as if maybe one could believe it's some kind of I don't know maybe some kind of fight or
even even if just briefly some kind of fight and we know that he certainly is going to have the upper hand here he's
using his fist and then he does this this weird thing of still making these advances to her at some point he says he
saw a crescent wrench on the floorboard inside the truck he picks it up he hits Kim several times with it Kim tries to
escape out the driver's side right so you're you're saying that he's claiming I I tried to make these
advancements uh towards her she didn't respond then I tried to get her more drunk and high maybe then she would
respond to my advances she didn't uh then she physically attacked me so then I attacked her but then he continued to
make advances after he punched her this is according to the confession that that uh that is had in
this case he says that he saw that crescent wrench on the floorboard inside the truck he picked it up and hit Kim
several times with with it he said that she tried to escape out the driver's side of the vehicle Barry got out he
runs around to her and he pins her up against the side of the truck he says he tries to kiss her again
and this is when she scratched him well at this point he's he's trying to rape her well that's right and and you know I
said this weird thing of hey he's physically abusing her but then still tries these sexual advances M and I I
say that that's a weird thing but you got to keep in mind that a lot of experts say that rape is more about
power and control than the actual intercourse itself Barry keeps going back to trying to kiss her because in
his PE brain he believes at some point she may comply he hits her to get what he wants this makes him feel powerful
she does what he wants even if forced to do so this gives him a sense of control
and in turn again having control or being in control this makes him this makes his weak-minded
attack feel like like he's some kind of powerful man Barry says at some point he did
choke Kim this seems to be rather brief because he then grabs a tire iron from the bed of the truck and he started
beating her in the head with it and eventually she stops moving so we have an attack with the crescent wrench his
fist that started inside the the truck no no doubt and then we have this tire iron that would been used outside of the
the truck yeah after she stops moving he realized that he killed her he says that he
started to panic he decided that he needed to get rid of the evidence he found a large garbage bag in the truck
and tried to put Kim in this garbage bag she only partially fit in the bag so he
dragged her over to the river and pushed her in mhm he then took the keys from the truck the crescent wrench and the
tire iron and tossed them into the river as well he says he used his shirt to try
to wipe off fingerprints in and around the truck Barry then his goal was to go home
to run home but he's covered in blood so he says that he stripped down to his underwear wiped the blood off his body
as best as he could he burns his clothes in a railroad car that parked on the tracks MH he ran the
rest of the way home wash the remaining blood off and then he goes to sleep the whole time trying to convince himself
that none of this really happened well but so we we can also assume that maybe that his mother seeing
him covered in blood actually did happen or are we just thinking that that's still I don't know rumor I don't
know what to think I wish that there was some actual report of that statement that the officer says that that he got
from his mother is that the end end of his confession that's basically the end of his confession yes he I mean the
thing that I find interesting here is it matches up pretty nice with the evidence
and it matches up pretty nice with the things and the items at the crime scene mhm the crescent wrench but it's such a
small town that you would think that he would have known possibly about that uh tire iron something you find on
a vehicle so you know it's not that far fetch for somebody to come up with that that idea
well that's what's going to be at the Crux of this whole argument and at the center of this whole
case against Mr Barry Beach because the people against Barry Beach will say look how much of the confession
lines up with what we know went down that night we know she was at the Exxon gas station he says he saw her there and
that's where he got in the truck we know that the truck was found at the train bridge we know that she was dragged from
the truck we know that she was beaten with at least two items we know that the attack started or
or took place inside the truck as well as outside of the the truck mhm and he doesn't say that he rapes her and there
there's no there's no evidence of rape so there's a lot of things that are in his story that did in fact take place
during the commission of this homicide so this confession looks really good but as you just pointed out very astutely I
might point I might uh add is small town it's 3 and a half years later there are
certain details of this homicide that probably were rumored about town put in the paper uh I know that the uh she
wasn't raped was put in the paper I I read the article myself that says that but but what's interesting though to me
is and I I keep bringing it seems like I keep bringing up the Pike County murders
which at some point we should cover but having friends from that area and and it being a case not solved
and yes it's a bigger case there's more people murdered uh in that you know horrific
event but there was tons of speculation and tons of rumor that people thought were facts so the fact that nothing in
his confession that you told me there there's not one thing that is wrong right there's nothing that dis dismisses
him right and I guarantee you again stuff that we're not privy to okay well we know she wasn't raped we
know she was dumped in in the water we know that her where her truck was found okay great this is information
that everybody's going to know in that town but what were the other rumors what were the other speculations in that town
that he conveniently left out or maybe not conveniently maybe it's because this is this is the killer I
mean there's not a lot of people in that town especially in that age bracket he's
the same age as her and he's basically at least with the confession he's putting himself in the general
location with no alibi yeah he I mean he lives near the somewhat near the the murder scene right he also you know we
we I failed to mention the fact that he says he thre the murder weapons and the the keys to the truck in the river we
know know that the keys were not found we know that the pathologist says hey look I I believe more than one weapon
was used but I don't know what weapons that were used and that's because the murder weapons were not found so there's
a lot of things that really line up here and he's not just some wacko coming out
of the woodwork you know coming out of the out of nowhere thin air here he's somebody that was an actual suspect at
one time years ago shortly after the murder and I wonder if the crescent wrench information was put out there but
that would be something that he would have access to cuz he was dating her sister or at least spending time with
his sister and so is it possible that then he then talked to her uh afterwards to get more details about about the
crime well if the family even had any of the details other than what was outside
of the paper we know that the father said that there was a wrench missing yes he did the uh the sheriff's department
down there they also managed to get Barry as we said to confess to their three unsolved homicides the three
murders in Louisiana but there's a bit of a problem here for law enforcement down there
because even though he confessed to those three homicides he couldn't have committed them as there was proof that
he was not in their state he was not in Louisiana for two maybe even all three of the murders and the police down there
already said all three were connected so what's going to happen is he's no longer good for these down here
even though he confessed to them but while down here he confessed to a murder up in Montana so let's ship this guy
back to Montana to face the music Barry immediately argues that his confessions were coerced he claimed that
he was threatened he claimed that he was manipulated he claimed that he was drugged but even with the bungled crime
scene the confession was enough for a jury up in Montana to convict him he was sentenced to 100 years with no chance of
parole please note the following regarding this confession the tape of Barry Beach's
confession according to law enforcement in Monroe Louisiana had been erased so at his trial he's saying look you can't
you can't use my conf confession to convict me it was coerced all that law enforcement can
provide all that the prosecution can provide to the the jury and the judge is a typed up confession a transcript of
the questioning between police and Barry Beach I mean you could I could type up something and who knows if it's was
actually said or not when you lose the audio tape Beach maintained that his confession was coerced what do you mean
by that well he says that when he was down there in Louisiana they kept threatening him with the death penalty
with the electric chair and he resorted to well maybe if I confess they're talking to me about
these this Montana case now maybe if I confess to this they'll ship me back up to Montana I don't want to be in
Louisiana I don't want the the death penalty or the the electric chair that these guys are telling me that they're
going to watch me Fry on for these three murders right but I guess he wasn't aware that he had a solid
Alibi what's that was he not aware that he had a solid Alibi well that's what's weird I don't know why he even bothered
to confess to the Louisiana cases at some point I mean they're they're questioning him and at some
point it gets down to he he starts to get confused and he's saying like thing that they're talking about
God and God is telling him that he did it I mean it gets really weird the whole interaction between these two
interrogators and I I'm choosing to call them interrogators cuz that's what it seems like at this point and Barry Beach
and I'm not willing to say he's perfectly innocent of anything here Captain I'm just saying the interaction
that I read between these three was very strange and and it seemed odd now it didn't seem to me though he he's
not being denied any of his rights he was made well aware of his Miranda rights several times so the officers did
that and did that thoroughly and correctly but the the whole God conversation gets
weird and he admits to these three murders that they end up knowing that he did not con you know confess he could
not have committed these murders and then to top that off these two same officers later got two other at
least two other men to confess to these three murders in Louisiana as well and it was proofed that they did not kill
these three women well like you said there it's an interrogation their job is to try to get a confession not to try to
get the truth right so what I'm I'm I'm pointing out what could be good and make
make good and point to Barry Beach's confession being real and truthful and he is a killer but I'm also pointing out
that these two individuals these two officers seem to be skilled at getting people to confess to things that we know
they did not do so in the mess of all of of that did they perhaps get Barry Beach
to confess to killing Kimberly niece and in fact he did not do it so many people
questioned not only the evidence but the prosecutorial conduct during the course
of Barry Beach's trial and even after the trial the rumors persisted around popper Montana that a group of girls
were the ones responsible for Kim's murder other than the confession Barry gave to the detectives which again he
says was coerced that was really the only thing that convicted him of the murder of Kim
n at the time prosecution did say that they had a hair that matched Barry Beach and we now know all these years later
through science that unless that hair has DNA on it and you match it to his DNA it's not a 100% match although
that's what it was presented as in court but none of the finger prints none of the palm prints none of the other
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in prison he sentenced to 100 years he says I was wrongfully convicted and he requests the help of centurion
Ministries who agreed to research his case after their investigators reviewed the facts of the case and
noticed an absence of physical evidence in this case so there's not physical evidence tying Beach to the
actual murder right they formally took on the case in 2000 in doing so they conducted an exhaustive
reinvestigation of Barry Beach's conviction Centurion Ministries was according to their website the first
organization in the world dedicated to the Vindication of wrongly convicted persons since 1983 they have freed 63
men and women who were serving life or death sentences for crimes they did not commit Centurion believed that the
confessions obtained in Louisiana were coerced and that the group of girls actually murdered Kim
nce one significant witness that Centurion managed to find in their investigation was a woman named
Stephanie Eagle boy she told a story that when she was 10 years old she lived near the train bridge at this time in
popper back in 1979 she liked to sit out on a rock overlooking the train bridge with her
cousin One Night in 1979 they were sitting on this rock when they saw two pickup trucks pull onto the train bridge
they say that a group of girls got out and they heard about 10 or 20 minutes of what they labeled as horrific
screaming and girls shouting things like get her and kick the [ __ ] then it got quiet they say that
they saw I'm sorry I shouldn't say they just Stephanie Eagle boy says that she saw a police car arrive and she knows
that it's a police car because it had its the police lights on top on so old Eagle boy has a Eagle Eye well the the
cop shuts off the lights according to Stephanie's story then she heard what she thought was digging noises then the
all three vehicles leave and drive off okay this is interesting she does Say Hey I was scared I was 10 I was
scared of the girls I was scared of police I was scared of everybody I didn't tell anybody all the way back
then I'm willing to tell people now Doyle points out in his book that he does not believe that Stephanie
witnessed the Kimberly niece murder he says that he does not think that she's lying she just witnessed something else
something else you're exactly right because he points out a couple of different things one Kim's truck stayed
at the scene according to the story that Stephanie Eagle Boy whatever she witnessed she says all of the vehicles
left after this screaming and this attack seem to go down and the other thing too is that that that Doyle points
to is that Stephanie's cousin has never said at any time stated on any official record that she saw anything that
Stephanie has described seeing right back in 1979 so again we're not saying that she
is lying we're just saying it might be just a simple mistake of having witnessed something else at a different
time we're not saying that she's lying we're just saying she's lying well speak for
just not on purpose I I've seen I've seen this uh woman interviewed and I I believe that she saw what she said she
saw I just don't think it has anything to do I'm I'm on the side of Doyle there I don't think it has anything to do with
Kimberly's case right now Captain for this next part I'm really going to give the short of it the just the facts ma'am
somewhat the wiki version of all of the legal stuff here because there's a lot of it and I want to make sure that we
save some time to get back to those cases in Louis Louisiana because they are important to this story so late in
2011 a judge issued a ruling that there was clear and convincing evidence that a
jury could find Barry Beach innocent so he was granted a new trial as a result of this Barry Beach was released from
prison I want to point out this is after years and years of of legal things back
and forth so he's released from prison after nearly three decades Behind Bars Barry was free to go out do his thing
this is pending a new trial Barry found employment working as the head of Maintenance at a hotel but a year and a
half later in May of 2013 the Montana Supreme Court reinstated the murder conviction this
overturning the latest ruling and so Barry was not going to get a new trial and in fact he was ordered to resume his
life sentence immediately I keep saying life sentence it was technically not a life sentence he was sentenced to 100
years in prison right right that same day Barry surrendered himself to the authori so now out of prison back in
prison in October yeah and October of 2014 Beach's attorneys asked Montana Supreme Court to order that beach be
resentenced okay this is important the Supreme Court asked the state to respond to his attorney's claim that Beach's
100-year sentence is illegal because the trial court did not consider that beach
was a minor at the time of n's killing and because it leaves no opportunity for release all right the way that this
breaks down is if you were to re the the the not receiving a life sentence s sucks
for Barry Beach because the life sentence actually carries different weight than the 100-year sentence the
100-year sentence with good behavior gets Barry Beach out at the earliest after 52 and A2 years of serving time he
was in his 20s at the time he would have been nearly 75 80 years old by the time
he would get out per absolute perfect good good record while in prison good behavior that's earliest he could get
out he could potentially get out slightly earlier under the rules of a life sentence but then on top of that
they're saying the shortly after he was convicted he was actually 17 when the murder took place he was a child and
Montana did not allow for juveniles to receive life sentences so he should not have been sentenced to that lengthy of a
sentence it's a whole long legal thing here argument back and forth and Beach's attorney simply pointing out that he was
a teenager at the time and there was legal precedent that says teen should not be handed that life sentence the
Montana Attorney General's office says this precedent does not extend to murder cases so on November 20th of
2015 again after a whole lot it back and forth Montana Governor Steve Bullock commuted the sentence to time
served plus 10 years probation so as of less than 5 years ago Barry Beach is out of prison wow and
he's still serving probation he's he's served quite a bit of time for this murder now the question
then becomes do you think he did it or he didn't do it yeah it's very strange especially with the because we have
evidence or we assume it's correct evidence that he confessed to three murders that he didn't do right so it's
not a big stretch to go well maybe he confessed to this fourth one as well and he didn't do it but then you go back to
the problem of he got an awful lot things awful lot of things right in his confession yeah and he has a connection
to her I think that's the that's another big thing they were the same age they went to school together they knew each
other um well even just that I mean he dated her sister dated the sister and they they were known to be quite close
when they were little kids as well I do want to point out some things that I think is wrong with Centurion Ministries
case because I I don't really know what they were basing this off of I I I agree
with them on the statement hey your what you said about this hair matching bar beach at the time of his trial that's
completely that's a farce that's completely incorrect you cannot say say that it 100% matched him we know that
nowadays without DNA connecting it to him it's not a 100% match so that was that's questionable Behavior M right but
it matches on some level it he cannot be excluded right as the providing the sample of that hair at the crime scene
however you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of other people if not thousands of people couldn't be excluded
from having left that at the crime I'm seeing as well the other thing though too
is let's talk about some of the leaps that I believe that they presented or or were attempting to present in their
their defense of Mr Barry beach one was that the statement in it they want to tear apart his confession right they
want to say well his confession can't be correct because of this thing and this thing that he
stated the first being that Kim would not have gave Barry Beach a ride they were in different social classes that's
their statements I find that to be that makes my heads spin I go what do you mean different social classes they lived
in the same neighborhood this is a town of less than 900 people they went to the
same school they were the same age he dated her sister yeah it makes no sense even even if it's different classes it's
the fact that he was dating or had some kind of relationship with her sister that she would have helped him out
I think what's more interesting to point to that that portion portion of his confession might be false is that no one
ever says that they saw Barry beach with kimn we have witnesses say hey I saw her
parked alone I saw her sitting by herself multiple Witnesses but nobody at any time ever saying they saw Barry
beach with Kim but nobody saw her down uh where her car was found parked by herself yeah you're right the only
person saying that they saw saw her down there is Barry Beach right and that's we
that's where we know her car AED up but also we also have eyewitnesses that say we saw her at the gas station by herself
and then we have Barry Beach saying yep and that's when I came upon her that's for for for a ride the other thing they
point out too Captain is that they in his confession he states that Kim scratched her him during the attack MH
and it's too bad you didn't rip off his dick you know that would just make the story a little bit better Centurion
Ministry says that this cannot be true because there there was no skin found under her fingernails at the
autopsy okay that is a true statement where I have a problem with it is I reviewed the entire 22-page autopsy it
doesn't mention her fingernails once in the entire autopsy right so it may it's yes it's true that no finger no skin was
found under her fingernails at the autopsy but we don't even know that they were examined or checked for skin right
and how long was she actually in the water for and would that have effect on removing any of that evidence again I'm
just I'm just saying that's it's an exaggeration right so we have that part right Captain I mean you can't say there
was no skin found under the fingernails they're not saying in the autopsy report
We examined the fingernails and there was no skin found it's it's not stated anywhere in the report anything about
fingernails well maybe I think what the defense is trying to say is since it wasn't stated then obviously they didn't
find anything and that's just not the case that's correct so then we also have a couple of other possibilities look I
I'm not willing to remove Barry Beach as a likely suspect in this case I think he's still even though he's out and
they've determined that it's time served that's a key thing here too time served they're not saying that he's
innocent either they're just saying he's if he did the crime well he's done the time and now he's out I think he looks
just as good as anybody else but we also have other people to consider right if he didn't do it as he says and as
Centurion Ministry says then somebody else had to have killed Kimberly niece we have this ongoing Rumor for many many
years for decades now that a group of girls killed Kim n that night we have a statement that was given to the
Sheriff's Office this is three weeks after the murder a guy named Mike this is this comes from a um an individual
that says a guy named Mike told him several people beat Kim to death and there were several witnesses and no one
helped her when asked who was doing the beating he said it was [ __ ] Atkinson and Tera Red Dog or something now we
know [ __ ] Atkinson she is in this story she's referenced many times the only mention I ever saw of this Tera red dog
is in this young man's statement to the sheriff's department but he follows that
up with or something so it sounds like he's not clear on the second individual's name Mike longree said that
red dog held Kim down while [ __ ] beat her with a hammer or some other object Kim's Hair was caked in blood she begged
for help before she fell and passed out and then people started to leave the area leave the scene we know that a claw
hammer was found in the river 30 ft from the Body Found by scuba uh scuba diver during evidence search yeah it was found
by Scuba Steve but the pathologist says that that was not the instrument that killed Kim I do want to point out though
that Captain there's been a long list or a long roster of names when it comes to
the quote unquote group of girls involved in the murder of Kim n I've seen probably six or seven different
names uh the ones that are mostly tied to it is the [ __ ] Atkinson mod greyhawk
and Joanne Todd um yeah but that that story doesn't account for that there's attack in the
vehicle and out of the vehicle right what's that the way that that account of the story went so this young
man is not claiming to have witnessed the murder he's just saying that he's heard he heard about it he's he's citing
by name an individual that told him what that person witnessed that night again that we have the rumor and and normally
when there's more people than one involved you'll get people talking about it people can't be quiet about it and
the other thing too is I don't know that you can completely rule out the boyfriend at the
time I mean there's really a whole long list of suspects that that I don't think you can clear and a
lot of that is based off of you just don't have very good physical evidence yeah we do we do have I thought I
thought this was weird when I was uh going through the police reports there was a report from a person named Johnny
mamy and he says that on the night that Kim n was murdered he witnessed a pickup truck
pull up at the norgard house between 3:35 and 3:45 a.m. okay in his report in his statement to the Sheriff's Office he
says that he knows that it was either 335 or 3:45 a.m. because immediately after he witnessed this truck pull up at
the norgard house he looked at two clocks inside of his house one said 335 one said
345 he said that the pickup he described the pickup as having loud mufflers and a
bar or a rack on the back I find this to be interesting it doesn't necessarily mean anything it
could just be a coincidence but I find it interesting that we have all of this activity going on with all these
teenagers Greg is the closest one to our murder victim and he says that he gets home between 2:45 and 3:00
a.m. what is this vehicle pulling up at 3 3:35 3:45 a.m. mhm where I'm getting at and what I'm where I'm going at with
this is this whole story this this rumor that's lasted for decades about a group
of girls well that's not what the statement was that was given to the the Sheriff's Office the Sheriff's Office
statement that they received from that that young man the the witnesses said he was told by Mike
longree that Mike long Tre witnessed the murder was that a group of people were there this could include guys and other
dudes that it didn't have to just be girls the way that it sounds that it went down is it might be a couple of
girls that were responsible for the actual murder but there were plenty of witnesses there and this being both you
know young young women girls guys what have you it it's possible that they might not even have known that they
actually killed her I think I think the the the more troubling thing and then where I question this
rumor is I don't know why I I just find it somewhat hard to believe if the more people that you put at that scene the
more people that you that that you have that claim to have witnessed something or know or have heard something none of
these people ever came forward when they're convicting the wrong guy for the murder yeah but again that's I think
those are little details not being privy to cuz you're not from the area you don't know what
relationship that uh you know Mr Beach had with anybody and and and what kind of you know individual he was and it
could be as sick as you know these um girls attack her for whatever reason jealousy or maybe she's flirting with
their the the claim is that they were that one of them at least one of them was jealous probably several of them but
it seems like there may have been something going on or something suspected of going on
between [ __ ] Atkinson I believe or one of these other young young women again it's a
long Ever Changing fluid roster of Nam right but it's not that far-fetched we already know that she was hanging out
with a guy the night before until 4:00 in the morning right and the the rumor was that that she was hanging out with
the not only the boyfriend of one of these girls but the the father of their child but what I'm saying is if that
went down and then These Guys these detectives and a whole another part of the country that are pretty good at
getting people to con confess to crimes gets this guy to confess that's like good for you why
would you come forward and and the group doesn't have to be that large two or three girls two or three guys yeah you
know I mean I I don't I don't know that I'm just I it just if that is in fact the truth it makes me incredibly it
makes me equally as disappointed as I am with the the false confession it's just
weird because I think the confession there's too many details that make sense and there and I also think
normally when you have a confession that's false that you have moments of distancing yourself from certain things
and and he's like keeps reiterating like yeah I attacked her and then I like Tred
to kiss her again and then I hit her and then I tried to kiss her again like it's
almost like he didn't even have the concept of how crazy of a person that makes him
sound well and that's where the audio tape that magically disappeared or was taped over or erased would have been
very helpful for the defense right it was a race because of the tactics they use but that doesn't mean that the
confession is false just you know if you if you tell somebody hey if you lie to me I'm going to chop off your fingers
you're not supposed to do that but if you do that and the person confesses and it's
truthful am I making any sense there no you're making sense it absolutely could still be a truthful confession what I
mean is would you have ever got a conviction to to begin with right because we have nothing to to go off of
on that confession and and how look we can sit here all day long and go yeah he got a whole bunch of stuff right in the
confession well he you know he got a million times more things right than Jesse Miss Kelly got in his confession
that was put pieced together but we also don't know that maybe these investigators maybe these
interrogators received detailed information about the murder scene about the crime itself from investigators back
in Montana and they helped Barry piece it together and really helped him hang himself with with h quote unquote his
words and all we have is a piece of paper that's typed out by God knows who to tell us this is what Barry said that
day when he was being questioned it would be nice to have that audio tape to hear where they starting and stopping
that tape was Barry getting things wrong and then they were manipulating his answers or telling him that he got it
wrong no try again Barry think harder this time Barry no it wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't a a a a hammer that you used
wasn't there something else that you saw in that truck Barry we've seen this go down we've seen this movie a million
times it I I I do question the validity of the the confession and let's go back to to Louis
lisiana because what we have here is three guys Barry included that confess to killing these three persons we
have we also have a police department that's down there that's kind of freaking out at the moment they're even
publicly stating hey we think we have another Atlanta on our hands here we have somebody in our community killing
our citizens and we don't know who it is but we do know that it's connected now what was interesting about this case was
at the time they said these are connected but they were very tight lipped about the details which I found
to be very interesting cuz I questioned that I'm like were they just kind of panicking and these weren't actually
connected but what happened was I I'll go through the actual briefly through through the murders because they
released very little about it at the time the first one was in August of 1980 it was 27y old victim her name was Angie
Hill she was found in southern Monroe in an industrial park shot in the head her
car was abandoned they know that a 22 caliber pistol was used they believe that a possible robbery from a from a
convenience store uh where she work took place as well a robbery for $600 and her car was found 7 miles away
from her body then in April of 81 Kathy Wharton who went by Jean she was found she was 19 years old found April 4th off
of Maguire Ranch Road and it's the same situation Captain where her body is found 5 miles away from her vehicle she
too was shot with a 22 caliber pistol and then in February of 82 we have Sher Alford who's only 16 years old she's
attacked in a very similar attack now what we learn how do we know that these are connected well police released all
these years later in 2007 that the mo was the exact same and what had happened in all three of these cases is they
could determine that by that the the vehicles that these young women were driving right somebody had bumped them
from behind on the road and then ran them off of the road and once the victim got out of the vehicle or was forced out
of the vehicle then they were sexually assaulted and killed K the bodies dumped away from the vehicle or the vehicle
moved away from the the body what have you I point all of this out because these cases end up getting closed or at
least one of them and police saying that hey these three are connected because in
2007 they connected DNA from the second murder from Kathy Wharton's murder to this guy Anthony Glenn Wilson mm Anthony
Glenn Wilson has got a rap sheet like you wouldn't believe he's been arrested 42 times during his life booked 32 times
in correctional facilities and likely he quit murdering or stopped murdering at least
briefly because he was arrested and convicted of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon this in the area of the
murders in March 2nd of 1983 in the month of March of 1983 so just one year after the third killing
plus the announcement the public announcement of the task force forming probably prompted him the other thing
too they're putting in the papers hey we got this guy Gary Beach who looks okay for these maybe it's a convenient time
for me to quit murdering as well right I point all that out because it one it's good to hear that these cases got solved
that they that they're not just in aside to the Barry Beach case to Kimberly n's
case as they are often when we see this case on Dat line that that we have a result we have a resolve an answer to
what happened to these poor girls down in Louisiana but Barry Beach and Anthony Wilson do not look anything like one
another we have an officer who came out in fact he was still on the force when they finally solved these three unsolved
homicides he comes forward and he says Hey when they brought beach in and said they were going to question him for
these three Louisiana murders we got into a heated argument I got into a heated argument with the two officers I
said you know he doesn't look anything like the description we have of our suspect right we have witnesses at
several of the crime scenes of the murder scenes and We Know by all of their accounts this man looks nothing
like like our our suspect and they said hey why don't you shut up we'll deal with the homicides
you're a Narcotics officer why don't you worry about the drugs we'll worry about
the homicides and they question Barry Beach anyway and that's where my mind goes
captain and I wonder you know what is this the old baiton switch as soon as they found out from his old stepmother
that Barry was questioned a couple of times up in the state of Montana hey let's get him to confess to these
murders here we know he didn't do it before we even started the questioning and let's open the door to
talk to him about Montana and let's see what we can get from the investigators up there maybe they led him to this
confession to be honest with you I wish I knew the absolute answer for you captain and I don't have it I don't have
the answer I've looked over this a hundred times I can't figure out if Barry Beach's confession is true or
false well we at least know that one of them is false that's true that is absolutely
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recommended reading this week we do Captain this week we are recommending a book called Reckless speculation about
murder and it's available in paperback and in Kindle form and that's by is this the story of the captain well it could
be and and funny that you say that because I've read this book it's fantastic but Reckless speculation about
murder is kind of what we do every week in the garage and this is by good friend
of the show Barney Doyle one of the things that I enjoyed about this book was it points out that Barney Doyle
isn't your average gum Sho private detective all right he is but what sets him apart from all of those other guys
is that he wrote this book and they didn't so check out Reckless speculation about Murder By Barney Doyle that's our
recommended reading for this week join us back here in the garage next week until then be good be kind and don't let
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Brief Summary

Barry Beach confesses to Kimberly Niece's murder, but questions arise about the validity of his confession and the investigation's integrity.

Key points

The Murder Weapons. The confession details the use of multiple weapons in the murder, linking Barry to the crime scene.
The Confession. Barry Beach confesses to killing Kimberly Niece and three others, raising questions about his guilt.
A Troubling Background. Barry Beach's history and the circumstances of his confession are explored, revealing potential coercion.
Barry Beach's Coerced Confession. Barry Beach claims his confession was coerced under threat of the death penalty.
Centurion Ministries Takes on Beach's Case. Centurion Ministries investigates Barry Beach's wrongful conviction and finds no physical evidence.
Barry Beach Released from Prison. After nearly three decades, Barry Beach is released pending a new trial.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He was originally brought in for some kind of minor offense.

Introduction of Barry Beach's background.

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Tension

65/ 100Some tension

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