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directly to the killer who may be in this room only a coward would do such a [Music]
thing what will those closest to you think of when they find out that you brutally
murdered two little girls only a coward would do so [Music] don't give [Music] up we will not
stop welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thank you for listening I'm your host
Nick and with me as always of course we have the captain here we're kind of breaking in with a little bit of an
emergency pod here kind of unscheduled right Captain but we wanted to jump in there's been a lot happening with the
deli murders case as many of you know the deli murders trial is underway in Indiana and this is a day that many of
us thought may never come I know for me personally I went through through a a dark period of about a year year and a
half where I thought that we would never apprehend a suspect that we would never
see somebody walking into a courtroom being accused and being charged and facing a jury of his his peers but here
we are nonetheless and it's been a long winding road it's been over seven years well over seven years since we first
brought this case to you back in 2017 with episodes 110 and 111 on your true crime garage listening dial we've
done over 20 episodes on this case throughout the years and a large part of those we had nobody in custody and this
was before the arrest of Richard Allen who was accused of killing the two girls now we wanted to talk about some of the
expectations with this trial there's been a lot of speed bumps along the way after the
arrest and it looked like maybe this trial was not going to happen or continue to get pushed back but here we
are October of 202 four and everything is falling into place so let's go to Fort Wayne Indiana
this is in Allen County Indiana where jury selection started in the case against Richard Allen who was accused of
killing Libby German and Abby Williams back in 2017 this process started on Monday the 14th and how this
jury selection process will work is they are seeking 16 people total to to fill the panel which will be 12 members of
the jury and four alternates one of the things that is important to note here is that the jury
selection process is taking place in Allen County and that is roughly like a 2-hour drive from Deli Indiana so why is
that the case well they need to find jury members that don't know too much about the case specifically don't know
too much about Richard Allen the accused and if you compare Carol County Indiana
to Allen County Indiana you're talking about Allen County houses Fort Wayne Indiana which is which is a big pretty
big city Carroll County the population of the entire County of the entire County back in 2017 is roughly 20,000
people maybe under that and in the city of Deli you have a population back then of 3,000 people and remember Captain
when we first started talking about this case in May of 2017 the girls were killed in February
and there was very little information about what had happened who they were looking for we knew they were looking
for somebody that they were calling Bridge guy but there was so little information that many people steered
away from covering this case and we decided we had to jump in because we wanted to try to help you had Billboards
going going up digital Billboards going up in other states and we wanted to take
this from just a an eyeballs case and bring it to the earballs of the masses and say look we need help finding this
bridge guy who is very likely responsible for killing these two girls remember when our coverage first started
we talked about the searches that happened so the girls were missing overnight before they were found the
next day and over 300 people good people volunteered their time some of this was
firefighters but a lot of this were was volunteers that came forward and said yes I'll go out and help you try to find
these poor girls over 300 people volunteered their time searching for these girls and when you compare that to
the population of the city of where this took place well now you already have that's roughly 10% of the population of
that City and then years later fast forward to the accused is a CVS worker who probably interacted with many people
in the public on a daily basis and let's not forget about all the people that had
some involvement or some ties to this case over that lengthy process between when the crimes occurred and when they
finally arrested someone so really truly I think they nailed it you can't go into
Carol County and think that you're going to walk away with 16 people that are completely unbiased and completely you
you don't want to Tainted jury pool right no matter how this trial shakes out at the end of the day what we want
it to be is a fair trial already some of the jury members or the people a part of
the selection have stated hey I have looked into this case I have opinions about this case they will not be my
opinions will not change no matter what evidence you show me so those individuals obviously have already been
kicked out of the jury selection and then another handful of individuals that said hey I've seen a lot of media
coverage on this case and so obviously those members have been removed as well we won't be featuring a beer today on
today's show as we traditionally do because we're doing a more of an well I'll be drinking one whether you feature
one or not we're doing a more of an off the Record style here today which for those not familiar is our other show
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you're going to get all of the episodes that already exist and live there in that space however in May of 2017 when
we first covered this case we featured Bohemian pills by the good people at Tin Man Brewing Company so that's how long
ago we first started talking about this case the process for the jury selection was set up there was a blueprint laid
out for how this trial they believe the way that it that it would work and some parameters that they're going to work
with inside of so we have judge Francis Gaul who set aside three full days to select 16 members of the jury
this will be 12 members of the jury and again four alternates this would be Monday through Wednesday of this week so
October 14th 15th and 16th we're recording today on the 16th tomorrow on Thursday the 17th the plan is that the
jury will be sworn in and then transported to a hotel so they have hotel accommodations near Carroll County
for the courthouse in deli with the opening statement scheduled to begin Friday morning October 18th the jury
process the jury selection process went pretty swimmingly as far as what I have seen and heard from my understanding
Captain this started a while back with them mailing out a a questionnaire mailer that went out some time ago from
there they've selected what were batches of about 50 people yeah to come in for morning and then afternoon sessions and
so to be perfectly clear on that not 50 people total 50 people to come in for a morning session on Monday and then
another 50 people to come in for that afternoon session on Monday and that is to continue until they fill this jury of
16 total people for three days yeah also present in this selection process of course will be three attorneys for the
state of Indiana and three attorneys for the defense in the court room along with
judge Francis Gul and one of the things I didn't know because I've never seen it
in a movie but when they're doing the jury selection they have these many opening statements that are done by the
defense and the prosecution so everybody in that room that they're trying to narrow down like you said into the 16
would have heard those many opening statements and those happen each day of jury selection yeah so every time they
Usher a new batch of 50 people they go through this what what they're calling mini opening statements which which is
to be expected right because the the people there you have to present this as there should be people arriving that day
and each day that may have no awareness of the case at all of course this is a very high-profile case and so that gets
a little blurred the lines get a little blurred there but and a lot of of cases people are walking in for jury selection
they they don't know anything of the case that they could potentially be sitting on the jury for so that is an
opportunity where you are kind of explaining to the jury all right this is the case this is the scenario these are
the crimes and and here is the accused and they are the accused because and then the defense gets to stand up for a
period of time and present a reut a rebuttal of saying well yeah the state has charged our client however this is
why he is not guilty this is how we will show that he's innocent and they generally talk in very general and vague
terms during this process because you got to leave something for the trial and the trial is where they're going to get
much more in detail with these uh accusations and with the the defense of those accusations and then attempt to
back that up with Witnesses and evidence and things of the such now during this jury selection process each side the
prosecution and the defense received 10 strikes for the jury selection process and two more strikes
for the alternate selection process which this is very common anybody that's seen some of the documentaries or even
dramati ations of some of the OJ Simpson trial throughout the years will be familiar with this these 10 strikes are
simply each side getting the opportunity to go all right that person no nope get
them out of the room and you don't even have to offer you don't even have to offer a reason like you don't have to
you don't have to say well you know this person should be removed from being a potential juror because of a and C you
don't even have to do that it's just simply you can say that one's no good that person whatever and and both sides
get the process as a lawyer you could say that guy has a stupid face and I I don't want him I don't want to have to
look at him and and then the judge is like well statements that was unnecessary to say that that man has a
stupid face but the court recognizes that man's stupid face uh yes by by the end of Monday the 14th they were almost
through the process so it was working everything's going great they they had most of the jury selected by that time
in fact even earlier in the day by 1 pm on Monday they had 10 jury members selected so they they would break midday
before ushering in that second batch of people and delivering a a second mini statement and I believe by the end of
Monday that they had all 12 jurors or they had 12 plus two alternates for the Monday session so this then this all
wrapped up yesterday with the final two selected well this courtroom is also a little bit smaller than what they're
going to go to in Carrol County so there is less media there uh but I believe that they were able to accommodate all
media and so we have some reports people saying well Richard Allen looks healthier than he has in the past and uh
that he's been wearing basically like a polo shirt and he's taking notes and he's paying attention
and so maybe this whole sh charade of I'm insane is going to stop yeah remember he was moved to a different
facility so a lot of people now are pointing out well he looks a lot healthier since he's been moved to this
this other facility and I captain not to go against you and I may very well be wrong I have not sat in either of these
two courtrooms but I was under the impression that this courtroom which is in Fort Wayne a much
larger city as actually the opposite is much larger than the smaller courtroom in the small city of Deli Indiana but
the Fort Wayne one is a very old I think it's a very old historical courtroom so
maybe maybe that is the case that it is much smaller because it was built so many years ago well the news was
reporting that there's like I I said a handful of media passes now but at the new court in Carroll County they'll have
more passes for the media and for family members are we sure that they're giving
passes to the media because the the statements I've been that I've read is they were giving no passes to any media
and for either process the trial or the jury selection and that it was a first come first serve basis that that there's
a line of persons out in front of the courtroom to to take a seat each day and that they only have well I think that's
what they mean by pass is there their seats available for media and I'll kind of pull back the curtain a little bit
because I have some insid or knowledge on some of this I applied for a press credential for the trial and I was
placed on a list of people that would be granted press credentials should they give them out now that doesn't mean that
everybody on that list would receive one so maybe I wouldn't receive one maybe they would only give out x amount of
press credentials and passes to these different trials but even being on that list with the clerk of courts we were
notified persons on that list we were notified via email a few weeks ago that that no in fact we are not giving out
any press credentials and unfortunately for me that made it very difficult for uh you or I to attend one of you know a
day or a week or or portions of this trial because of the distance between where we are and where this trial is
taking place and considering that boots on the ground people that we've talked to attorneys people in law enforcement
and now you have people in the media backing this up right they're saying that people are arriving as early as 5
a.m. sometimes a little bit earlier than 5:00 a.m. to get their place in line to
get into the courtroom and keep in mind these courtrooms don't open till 8:30 and most of the time there's a bit of a
delay getting in there 8:45 a.m. so that's a long time to stand in line after having driven so many you know a
couple hundred miles to get out there in the first place and as to what you were
saying as to your point here Captain about Richard Allen's appearance real quick M dog [ __ ] of note some items here
on Sunday the court system updated Richard Allen's bug shot so that was the morning of Sunday October 13th and and
looking at that mug shot he does appear to be thinner but he appears to be stupider in Better Health yeah he
appears to be stronger he's got the a very close buzz cut and he's clean shaved in the uh clean shaving in the
picture there well I think he looks like a psychotic Turtle well his eyes don't look too deep into those eyes because uh
you know they they always say that that's where you see it is in the eyes and that's where I'm starting to see it
with Richard Allen and what it is let's not go down that road here today if you want to know what it is we got like 700
shows um you will find it in many of those shows shortly before 900 a.m. on Monday the defendant Richard Allen walks
into the courtroom and he's described as wearing a light purple button down shirt
and khaki pants so this is of note because this is the first time that he seen in a public court appearance not
wearing a prison outfit the the orange prison jumpsuit so he's not he's not Shackled right he's not cuffed like
we've seen him in other Snippets and he's not in that prison get up so keep in mind for for those there are a lot of
there's a lot of good reporting going on thus far about what the trial and leading up to the jury selection on
Monday but those clips that you are seeing in the background as the news anchor reporter are talking those news
Clips are from previous courtroom appearances so the ones that you seeing being led into the courtroom or or being
escorted to the courthouse in shackles or in Chains and in the prison get up surrounded by
police that's those are old that's old news footage yeah to me in that in the purple shirt he kind of looks like a
psychotic Donell from the Ninja Turtles but one of the things that people always
point out when they see Richard Allen in person is his stature he is he is a very
small individual some of the reporters are saying he's listed at you know 5556 but he he even seems smaller than that
four yeah and but but you have to remember when they had the wanted posters for bridg guy they're put in the
height and and I think this is something we've talked about extensively is the height was well we think maybe he's 5'6
to 510 so we we know we're looking for a smaller individual now that doesn't mean
it's a slam dunk anybody closer to 56 is you know is a great suspect but that just puts things in perspective it's a
shame too because that's one thing that we really honed in on quite a bit when we prior to the arrest when we were
still looking for the person believed to be responsible looking for the person who's responsible I say believed because
let's keep in mind he is simply Accused at this point he's not been proven to be
guilty but with those railroad ties and the way that that bridge is set up you know just the general structure of those
old railroad bridges in general we thought they should be able to come up with a good idea of his height based off
of the video I mean you know the distance between those planks and you can see him walking on
those planks the problem then becomes you got to factor in the trajectory of the video the angle the video being
taken and I don't know I'm I'm not here to criticize the investigation or maybe you hindsight's always 2020 but I think
they could have got a little closer to than than to maybe what they did the four or five inch difference there on
their thought now yeah I agree regarding those opening statements so some some here's some insight into the the
courtroom and and and what took place over the past two days so in the state's opening statement they told potential
jurors that Richard Allen is Bridge guy using those exact words Richard Allen is
Bridge guy and this came from Carroll County prosecutor Nick mclelan he said Bridge guy brutally murdered the two
meaning the girls then casually walked back to his car and went home but he left a clue the prosecution said was a
bullet found at the crime scene at the murder scene the state said it would prove that Richard Allen is Bridge guy
and that jurors would hear how he allegedly confessed to the murders multiple times and why in the defense's
opening statements they said Allan confessed to shooting the girls in the back and of
course we know they were not shot they said Allan confessed to a crime he didn't commit and that these are the
ingredients for false confessions the defense described the evidence as soft one of the things that has been reported
in the news a lot is that the defense is going with a false confession defense the major points here are that Richard
Allen has confessed to this crime over 60 times but the defense is also saying well yeah he confessed to this crime but
some of his details are not accurate my argument there was depending on which which time he confessed you know are
there sometimes that there's details that the killer would only know is sometimes like you said is he making a
confession where he's giving information that he knows is incorrect they also claim that he has confessed to
committing crimes that haven't took place like he said he he killed his whole family he killed his Grand
children and we know that obviously those are false and then they also in one of their opening stat stat said that
they found some hair in aby's hand that was not Richard Allen's yeah so this is weird because it's been argued in
hearings leading up to this trial whether these confessions would be allowed to be in and part of
the trial and you're exactly right Captain it's weird because when when those hearings were taking place we were
hearing by from persons that were test Tes ifying and giving statements at those hearings for the state that were
saying yeah he confessed it wasn't under deress I in fact I told him I didn't want to hear anymore and and there he's
not being he's not confessing to a detective that's grilling him he's just he's being involved in other
conversations and all of a sudden starting down a starting to deliver a confession to someone and right in those
hearings mind you we weren't privy to everything that took place during those hearings but the outcome was generally
stated as he wasn't saying anything that didn't go along with what took place with what we
with some of the known facts of the case or some of even the facts of the case that only the state and the defense know
and so this is very different what we're hearing now and really truly this is only like Weeks Later after they were
the the judge said the confessions are in because they are evidence yeah they're yeah but but keep in mind judge
says their evidence that doesn't necessarily that's not necessarily a one-way Street it could be evidence for
the prosecution it could be evidence for the defense and I think what we're going
to see now once the trial hits is that they're probably going to parse these out a little bit and they're going to
pick at him and they're going to say okay well this is what he got right in this one this is what he got wrong in
this one but this is the first that it seems like that we are hearing that some of these confessions were completely
wrong and then the the mindset of the person giving the confessions the the thing
that was often argued in those prior hearings was like he's on the phone with his wife
so he's not under duress in that moment he's not confessing because someone's grilling him in fact she's on the phone
saying like I think I you know I don't think we should be talking I think you should talk to your attorneys and he's
confessing to people unnecessarily and so these confessions are going to be very interesting once we
get to the trial process now for those who have not been able to follow every minute of this
situation what we have here is a situation where they will not be allowing cameras or recorders or even
audio recording devices into the courtroom so we are going to rely on good oldfashioned reporting we're going
to have the reporters that can make it in there will be sitting in a courtroom with pen and paper and jotting down and
taking notes as this process continues and as the trial gets underway during the selection process
Rick Allen was seen you know so he's sitting there with his defense team he's seen interacting with them throughout
the whole jury selection process and taking an active role he's discussing things with his defense team as one
would expect even to the point of pointing out juries or sorry potential jurors that he wanted to either be
seeded to be a part of the to be selected for this trial or to be removed from the jury and at times he could be
seen laughing and even smiling when he's discussing things with his legal team now Captain you are the captain so I'll
let you steer the ship here do you want to hear maybe the most strange or the most interesting courtroom moment or
moments thus far this is from what took place on Monday and Tuesday well let me decide that right after this quick beer
break [Music] [Music] all right we are back cheers mates I think let's let's start with the most
interesting okay for the the most interesting thing that I found to have taken place was
it's pretty simple but I was shocked at the numbers here Captain was the state listed that they plan to call 55
Witnesses during the course of the trial that seems like a lot 55 is a lot I would have expected a high number you
know probably 40 I guess is more of what I was expecting so I wasn't completely blown away when I heard 50
5 but then the defense has to do the same thing they have to list how many witnesses they plan to call they plan to
call 120 Witnesses I I guess I I guess I assumed and and look I don't know much about you know not an attorney obviously
and I don't know if it's if it's typical that the defense calls more than the prosecution but but in this case 55 for
the state 120 Witnesses planned to be called we should note that planned to be called
for the defense well all the news reports that I saw like we said they're going to be moving the jury to Carl
County on Friday well I think they move them on Thursday but they start the trial on Friday that's going to be the
opening statement so we're on the way right this is happening we've waited this long it's dday but a lot of these
news reports said okay well because this jury is being sequestered which is not as normal as one would think they're
going to be put up in in a hotel they're going to have all their devices taken away from them so they can't listen to
uh True Crime garage to get all their updates but the news reports are saying that this trial probably will take about
a month roughly well the problem with that is when you say 50 some witnesses by the prosecution and 10 and some by
the defense how are you going to get through that in a month so maybe it's just this is our list but that doesn't
mean we'll call every individual it well exactly they have to present a list because here's why the other side gets
an opportunity to argue okay well that person can't be allowed to testify or the state can't call that person and
here's why or judge you had previously said this in some of our hearings and this person falls into one of those
categories of something we're not supposed to present at trial so any of these people can be eliminated they have
to provide this list it's standard procedure the other thing too let's keep in mind so judge Gaul announced to the
jurors that the trial is expected to last until November 15th so you know I don't have a calendar right in front of
me here so I don't know if we have any holidays along the way I wouldn't expect there to be any holidays uh I mean
Halloween I'm sure they're still going to have court on Halloween but that's basically you're getting 21 days I
believe I don't think there's a Saturday session for these courts so if it's Monday through Friday you're getting 21
days to jam in all of this information and all these wit potential witnesses that
could be called to that now now November 15th isn't it doesn't mean like oh shows over no matter what if we don't
get through this trial on November 15th I mean we saw the Amber Reed Tri trial went weeks longer than expected so this
thing could potentially go days or even weeks longer than what they're expecting
this is just simply a courtesy and and actually this is something that the courts should provide
and they do provide the judge is the expert here and so this is a courtesy that they're providing to these people
because these people have lives and they work and they may need to be telling their employers like look state says I
have to serve on this jury and live in this hotel and I'm going to be stuck there till judge says November 15th
because I'm sure these people's families and employer employers want to know how
long are you going to be missing an action for and so this gives them some kind of framework there on that regard
now from my understanding here Captain for this trial each juror will be given a stien of $8 a day for the first five
days and then $90 a day for uh each day after that well what you left me with though was the the
interesting takeaway from I'm sorry we went through you asked for the most interesting we have the
most strange moments from Monday and Tuesday so this is the first one is Judge G dismissed a potential juror who
claimed to be a psychic I don't have a crystal ball but I have a crystal brain so one person there in the courtroom
claiming to be a psychic was quickly dismissed by the judge the statement given so there was some interaction with
this psychic person I don't know if this was interaction with the judge the defense or or the prosecution it doesn't
really matter at this point because the person's been dismissed but the person said I'm I'm a psychic and my presence
will only help the prosecution So that obviously that's going to be a quick smell you later to that person then see
you later loser then we have this is the moment that I found to be to be very weird and again it's just because you're
it's being described to us there's no there's no camera at this proceeding so maybe I'm
just picturing this in a much more weird way in my own head than it actually was
but but I think it's of note at one point during the defense questioning we get a member of the defense his name is
Andrew Baldwin he's part of the defense team Richard Allen's defense team he goes and he stands behind Richard Allen
who's seated in the courtroom and with and he places both of his hands on the shoulders of Richard
Allen and he's Andrew Baldwin the defense attorney's addressing the potential jurors and he says you guys
look at this man right here is it really possible that he might be innocent of these crimes of these crimes and as soon
as he finishes the sentence Rick Allen Smiles at the jury and the jury's just kind
of like in shock and awe right and just kind of staring back psychotic Ninja Turtle and the states the prosecution
jumps up it's like objection your honor so you're already seeing some uh some kind of TV Antics playing out the
the two things that I thought were the most interesting was when the in during one of the opening statements when they
say well we have hair found in aby's hand that's not Richard Allen and there's no description of it so this
defense team loves to to muck up the waters and so is it one or two strands of hair whose hair is it is it a a
male's hair is it a female's hair and then when you think about just you know they're at the park
is it her hair is it Libby's hair is it is it the sister's hair from when they were riding in the car because anybody
that lives with women know like dashboard confession told us your hair is everywhere and so I want to know is
it male hair or is it is it female hair and then is it possible that it it actually does match Richard Allen but we
just can't definitively say that because it is a hair fiber without the the bulb
on on the hair and then the other thing that they said the fical the other thing
that they said too was and I don't know if this was in a opening statement or not but they're saying that he was
interrupted or during one of the confessions he he he claims he was interrupted let's get into that here in
a minute I want to I definitely want to Circle back to that but to touch on the hair thing for a
yeah it's it's an outdoor crime scene we talked about this at length with before
we had a person arrested before we had a name for a suspect the complications of an outdoor
crime scene it's it's always very you can't control the crime scene and number one and you can't you can only protect
it so much there's there's weather elements there's wind there's all kinds of debris whether it be from Mother
Nature from humans look there's no nice way of saying some of these things they're lying there
overnight and they're until about noon or so and we don't know I I'd have to go through our old episodes to know when
they were removed we do know and I I do list that in my book when Once the bodies were removed from that area
but those hairs if they're longer I I'm like kind of envisioning longer hairs that that could have caught winds
somehow and and ended up catching on something and just and remaining there wouldn't be out of question it wouldn't
be totally unreasonable that that would happen it could have come from if and you're saying they don't have the
follicle a lot of this information isn't super clear and I think what the defense
is trying to imply without given us actual evidence is I think they're trying to imply that
Abby put up a fight and she has a clump of hair that she got from the actual killer and that Richard Allen is not the
killer I think that's what they're trying to imply well and you are exactly right there Captain not with them in
trying with them trying to imply something because that to me is what this defense seems to do regularly and
has done it consistently and constantly throughout this very lengthy process where like you were saying earlier it's
they kind of just toss something out there vaguely like oh here's this uh oh here's let me just float out this little
nondescript piece of information and see how everybody reacts to it not to be a total ass clown here uh and to to to
make to make light of this horrible situation but this defense team to me when I think of this defense team and
their their tactics and and how they go about their business trying to put up a fight for Richard Allen like they float
things out there and very quickly the stuff is dismissed right it's like well that was really nothing it REM it's it
completely reminds me of when you have Ben Stiller's character in the uh Meet the Parents meet the fuers movies
remember that part in one of those movies where he's he's standing in front of the mirror and he's pretending what
he's going to say to Robert Dao's character right he's like hey Jack what do you think about this now what do you
think about that all right now what do you think about this oh do you like that now what do you think about this like it
it's just like it he does that like 30 times and that's what I think about this defense team and they're they're trying
to prove the innocence of their client it's just like oh yeah what do you think about this and then we're like yeah
that's no good and he like okay well what you think about that what they have that we don't have is the evidence
against their client and so to me I view this defense team as like I'm a decent boxer but I'm going up against a better
boxer so if I just box this individual I have no chance of winning but if I can make it a street fight and I can get
them to not box me but just fight me then maybe I have a chance and that's how I kind of view this defense team I'm
G to go Ben Stiller on that going to get all Ben Stiller on you so details of the crimes revealed that's
what a lot of the people that have followed this case for so long will be intrigued by the potential of what uh
details of the crimes and details of the investigation because all of this was very hush hush and a lot of holdback
information for a long period of time here so people want to know what what will we learn at this trial and you
honed in on something perfect that this is one of the first Snippets is and and I have a good
rundown of it here let me read this to you Abigail Williams and Liberty German decided to walk across the moan and high
bridge above Deer Creek but they were not alone this is coming from the state mcleland says Bridge guy used a gun to
force them down the hill to do what he wanted that's a quote he said Allen was interrupted and forced the girls to
cross the creek where he had them undressed before he killed them he threw their clothes in Deer Creek and then he
fled the area this is interesting the way that this is worded that Allen was interrupted and then forced the girls to
cross the creek where he had them undress before he killed them he threw their clothes in Deer Creek okay so
that's the statement there but what this to me is suggesting of is that he had a different intention
like was his intention to take them from that area now if you go back to the earlier part of that statement maybe
maybe not so that he that he wasn't it was he was attempting to take them to a different
location nearby right like he was attempting to walk them One Direction was interrupted and decided oh I got to
maneuver and take them this other direction is is the way that I'm kind of processing what what mcleland is saying
here well one of the rumors was that one of his confessions he claims that he saw
a van pulling into a driveway and that is what interrupted him and and again that's just a rumor of the confession
but a lot of people believe that that is true because one of the neighbors would
have been getting home from work roughly at that time and had some kind of service
van and so it kind of all lines up details of the investigation potentially because remember what I was saying
earlier about the defense team but some details about the investigation potentially revealed here the defense
said that the local authorities refused the FBI's help with Libby's cell phone which we all know anybody that knows and
follows this case knows is a really big part of this case and a big part of the invest instigation Libby cell phone was
found at the murder scene and the defense is saying that the police were ill equipped to process this phone
saying that the it would have been better to have processed it by the FBI to which they're saying local
authorities refused the FBI's help with Libby's cell phone found at the scene which I I don't know it seems very
strange we know the FBI had a very big hand in what took place in in the investigation that
followed so I don't really know what to make of that statement I'm not saying it's untrue for the
jury I was hoping to get a better breakdown than this and maybe we'll get more clarification on this later today
here but when through the process the selection process once they had selected 14 of the 16 needed at that time we were
looking at eight women and six men had been selected and the evidence that the jurors said
that they would expect to see during the course of this trial includes phone data
testimony from Witnesses evidence of a weapon being used fingerprints and an alibi yeah so my my major takeaways from
what we've learn so far is I mean I knew that he confessed I I didn't know that it was over 60 time so I think that's
going to be difficult for the defense but also diff difficult for the prosecution to
sift through those confessions and look he could have been advised by his attorneys to just start confessing to
everybody because it'll be easier to try to throw out those confessions or to make you know well he confessed 60 times
so of course he's going to get something right out of those 60 times but then we
also learn that he's confessed to murders that didn't take place then you have the hair found in aby's hand so
that'll be interesting to learn more about that evidence if if it is evidence and then when the prosecution stated
that he was interrupted I would like to know more details obviously about what that Interruption was like but he is
charged with four counts of murder two intentional and two felony counts of murder and those are my big takeaway
from what we've learned so far yeah um the I from my understanding two of those counts is for
murder uh murder being the result in the process of of trying to commit a kidnapping the the thing here is with
these confessions true false or otherwise somewhere in between who knows we should
be if whichever confession maybe all of them maybe just some of them will be presented at trial and we're going to
get to hear the details maybe not word for word but some of them were recorded some of them were written and so some of
those we should get word for word and we will be able to the jury more importantly will be able to hear that
information and try to decide for themselves is this does this lead to this guy's falsely confessing over and
over again or he's truth fully confessing or he's doing it doing a little bit of both along the way because
here's the thing the defense could spin it some of these things and put a good spin on it and say look he's confessing
to people that aren't even dead that he killed people that aren't even dead well
yes and no he could be saying I killed my whole family uh guess what he's been sitting in a Cell not seeing his family
he's probably wondering ing if he's found guilty will he have any family left and maybe that's what he means by I
killed my whole family you know it's hard to say without having yeah it's hard to say without having the details
of those confessions and so that's one thing that's going to be really interesting to piece through and and and
kind of sort out there my big takeaway was the amount of witnesses that they were going to be calling for both Sid
sides because what I was wondering Captain was like I'm going through the hearings and following the hearings that
was leading up to this trial and the judge threw a lot of stuff out and a lot of that I agreed with but I kind of sat
there afterwards going well what's going to be left to talk about at the trial and saying that it's going to be a five
six week process I question well how long lengthy is this trial going to be when so much stuff has been tossed out I
was thinking we're probably looking after you get through jury selection we're probably looking at a two-e trial
but then we get told 50 Witnesses more than so 55 Witnesses approximately for the state 120 or so for the defense this
seems like it's shaking out to be what it was said to be a while back that that we should expect a five week trial 21
days or so opening statements starting this Friday be intrigued to see if they take it for the entirety of the day I
would expect so I wouldn't expect that you would just do opening statements for each side and and and rest for the day I
don't think that that would be the right way to handle it but again I'm I'm not in sh I'm not in charge this is not not
my show of course um but we will'll keep an eye on it and I know everybody else out there is keeping an eye on it and
regardless this is getting us closer to something that we started that that unfortunately had to start
so long ago and I do want to remind everybody during this process especially during this process the this is going to
be very difficult for a lot of families the next couple of weeks the next several weeks are going to be very
difficult for a lot of families and so let's everybody please keep that in mind act
accordingly if you wish say a prayer uh give strength to these people they've been through a lot is is the
understatement of of the year and they're going to be going through a lot unfortunately again in the next several
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The trial against Richard Allen who is accused of killing Libby German and Abby Williams in Indiana back in 2017 is underway. True Crime Garage has brought you coverage of the crimes and the investigation since May of 2017 starting with episodes #110 and #111. Now we take a look at the jury selection process, details learned so far, and what could be expected through this trial which is expected to take 5 weeks to conclude.

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Brief Summary

Richard Allen's trial for the Delphi murders begins with jury selection and conflicting opening statements from the prosecution and defense.

Key points

The Deli Murders Trial Begins. The trial for Richard Allen, accused of murdering two girls, has finally commenced after years of uncertainty.
Jury Selection Process. The jury selection process is underway, aiming to find unbiased jurors for a high-profile case.
Confession Controversy. The defense claims Richard Allen's confession is a false confession, raising questions about the evidence.
Confessions Under Question. Confessions made by the suspect are being scrutinized for accuracy and context.
Trial Witnesses Count. The state plans to call 55 witnesses, while the defense plans to call 120.
Psychic Juror Dismissed. A potential juror claiming to be a psychic is dismissed by the judge.

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