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gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] police believe that Lindsey buziak was
specifically targeted for a brutal murder which looks like a professional hit so the real estate showing was
likely a ruse to get Lindsay alone in a place where she was vulnerable the murder shows a certain level of
sophistication and planning now not only were the police stumped as to the identity of the murderers but they were
clueless as to any motive as well right which is going to cause them to look deeper into Lindsay's life yeah
investigators will be examining her financial records and social media accounts even the deleted chats and
messages that she had Lindsay had a lot of friends and by all accounts no enemies she also led a low risk
lifestyle didn't owe anyone any money and had a perfect credit score now drugs were a big part of the young 20s
lifestyle in the area at this time but Lindsay was not a drug user and in fact disliked drugs and what they did to
people now let's go through some of the more popular suspects and theories okay first
we want to talk about Jason zalo her boyfriend as we mentioned there is a major group of internet crime Watchers
who believe vehemently that Jason was instrumental in Lindsay's murder and this is partially because there are
widely Divergent thoughts about their relationship Lindsay's Sister Sarah with whom she was
very close said quote Lindsay was with Jason at the time and I knew that she was extremely happy
Lindsay's mother's side of the family the right Myers who lived in Victoria and knew Jason
believe that he has been cooperative and caring in the aftermath of Lindsay's murder but Lindsay's father Jeff tells a
very different story he says that Lindsay confided in him that she was unhappy with Jason and that
he was controlling possessive and jealous and she wanted out Jeff buziak and his very public stated
opinion says Jason zalo was complicit in his daughter's death he doesn't believe that Jason actually
did the stabbing but he believes that Jason and his family are involved in a conspiracy and plotted to kill Lindsay
as Jeff buziak tells it Lindsay was afraid and told him that she quote seen something she shouldn't have seen
even if this happened which our sources say that it did not the rest of her family and friends know
nothing about this but even if she did tell her father that she saw something she shouldn't have seen there is no
evidence that it was in any way actually connected to Jason Jeff has stated that Lindsay saw
something scary that involved something really bad like human trafficking snuff films political corruption extortion and
that Jason was involved we cannot emphasize enough that there is absolutely zero evidence of this
Jeff buziak has zeroed in on Jason as have his online followers based on the following rumors speculation gossip much
of which is not backed up by any credible sources and even contradicts actual evidence in the case so let's try
to go through some of these thoughts one at a time Jason and Lindsay may have been having trouble Lindsay
wanted out and also Jason was selling steroids this is one of the theories that would lead to Jason being involved
here's the other Jason engineered his whole Alibi making sure to be captured on surveillance camera and to bring
Cohen along when he went to meet Lindsay right while being sure to be there well
after 5 30 so that the killers would have the opportunity to get her alone well again and this is also controlling
the narrative because we have one narrative saying that she was a little leery about meeting these individuals
and then she wanted her boyfriend to come and assist her well he then controls the narrative by saying no no
that's not why I was there which again one of my big questions is if he was there to protect her and he is a real
estate agent why are you waiting why are you waiting are you waiting to give them
the opportunity to do what you know that they're there to do and that is to murder your girlfriend
or because we have the one one story but then by him controlling the narrative to
say no that's not why I was there that gives the the question of why would you wait that answers it but who's answering
that for us Jason well I get what you're saying but I I think what we have here is we have Jeff
and others controlling the narrative I think what we have Jason saying is he had to
answer the police and investigators questions and I think that that is why that what his statements are do not
really combat what the narrative is because it's the narrative is just that it's it's it's a story of why Jason
would be there and to put bad light onto Jason if Jason was in fact controlling the
narrative The Narrative would have changed by this point it has not it's just simply he's providing an answer to
police police are going to want to know look dude you're the you're her boyfriend
how the hell is it that you are the one that discovered her body why were you there in the first place she's a big
girl she is showing this house she doesn't need your help what is your reasoning for being there there's no
coincidence in the world that explains a way that you just happen to be at the place
and find your your girlfriend's dead body so he needs a reason to be there police want a reason for him to be there
we have Jeff buziak and others who are saying he was there as the muscle he was there as protection to protect Lindsay
where Jason is in fact saying no and keep in mind he's questioned that night he had already answered this
question before this whole idea of him being there to protect her even came out so it's not like he's
he's well hold on a second though but if you're planning a murder or you're planning uh somebody to murder your
girlfriend you can also then plan a couple steps hey I know I need to be at this property because I'm going to be
seen on surveillance I'm going to call this individual I'm going to have this other individual with me this gives me
an alibi okay so I'm the one that finds her again that makes some logical Sense on how you
open up the front door and within two seconds you're upstairs and you found her body and you didn't go looking
anywhere else in the house you went right to her was that part of the plan so what I'm saying is it's not that
far-fetched for him just you know for other people to say hey we think that Lindsay was concerned about going and
meeting these individuals and he knew that would be a question that was brought up so now I need to but it
wouldn't shift the narrative no no no but the problem with that is it would not be the question the question would
be why are you there at all for any reason what is your reasoning for actually being there to which he had a
very plausible answer no I and I don't just dispute that but what I'm saying is it's not that far-fetched to think if
somebody's involved in this no no no no I get that what I'm figure out their story you know beforehand
well of course of course if you're going to go to the to the effort to hire somebody to kill somebody that you know
you're definitely going to come up with some kind of story right I mean if you didn't you've just put the the cart
before the horse there it makes no no damn sense what I'm pointing courses in this case what I'm pointing out here is
that the narrative that he was there to protect her in any shape or form did not even that
was not even a thought at the time that Jason was initially questioned in the murder of his girlfriend so it's not
like what I'm saying is he's presenting a reason for being there he's not presenting a reason that's different
than what was later said just to be different right is what I'm getting at right he's just giving a plausible
reason yeah now here's the other thing that I want to point out too all right first off a much better Alibi
would have been to be as far away as possible if he wanted to get rid of Lindsay and Stage I mean he could have
staged an accident or a disappearance which would made of made a lot less less of a splash than a sensational Savage
murder but then on top of that think about this if he really thought this through unless he's just a [ __ ]
if he's going to go to the effort to hire somebody to kill his girlfriend why wouldn't he be as far away as possible
because now you're opening up yourself to further questioning some people would go well he wanted to confirm that she
was dead wanted to confirm that the hit actually went down okay I get that but any reasonable
person is going to know that you are already subjected to a certain line of questioning because you are her live-in
boyfriend now if you're also the boyfriend and find the body be the one that finds the
body you are opening up yourself to a whole other line of questioning right right
which I agree but I also think like it's kind of one or the other be as far away
as possible or be as close as you can you know hide in plain sight well the the thing here is though he had
an alibi without creating one okay he took Cohen with him to shc to to whatever that meeting was uh that
they were going to discuss that day we know that he was the listing agent for that property
I think Jason was yeah we know that Cohen and him had a hockey game later that night right so he had a solid Alibi
from the time that they that he and Cohen arrived at shc through the end of the hockey game
instead if he was involved then we have to believe he went out of his way to go to the home that she was killed in
it just again that doesn't bother me because like I said it's one or the other and my eyes be as far as way away
as possible and be around as many people as possible or be as close as possible and and you're carrying your get out of
jail free card with you in the passenger seat I understand that but what I'm pointing
out here is that it really heated in the garage it doesn't need to what I'm pointing out is that it to me it makes
his reason his reason for being there for being at 1702 De Sosa place verifiable
it makes it makes that carry more weight to me he has a reason to be there that is not her protection he has a reason to
be there to get her to sign some papers to go over some paperwork to have a quick meeting
one Cohen would be aware of this as he travels along with Jason two you can verify this by the person that actually
owns the property and by the person making an offer on the property as well it just doesn't it doesn't make a lot of
sense to me now there's a lot of things in a lot of cases that are not supposed to make a lot of sense so we can we can
agree to disagree on that well and I'm not saying that that's what I think I'm I'm saying I think that's a lot of these
armchair detectives that's where they're going well this doesn't add up to me and
that's all I'm saying so some other things that people have pointed out here is that Jason moved his car from the
cul-de-sac to the main road either to see a signal from The Killers that the that the coast was clear or to
see whether they were gone that they had left the property I don't know there's no way for us to
verify why he moved the car right because if you again this is another situation where somebody comes
up with this Theory and you go well that makes sense I'll park here uh I didn't see anybody now I move a little closer
okay now they gave me the signal okay once I saw those individuals now we got to get into the house
okay that makes some logical sense but his story was and and if his story is correct that he
wasn't there to protect her but he was just there for paperwork he didn't want to interrupt her he didn't want to seem
like lurking he didn't want these clients to come out and to see some some dudes in the car and think who the hell
are these guys uh so that's why he parked down a little ways once he's not getting a response drives closer so it's
again both kind of make logical sense the other thing though too is if he is in fact there for a meeting
think about the way that this whole event is described they pull up into the cul-de-sac and
he's waiting in the vehicle to which later he moves the vehicle to an actual parking space
okay many times you can sit in a vehicle waiting and you're not in an actual parking space the way that this is
worded is that he actually moves the vehicle to park the car to exit the vehicle right that also makes sense to
me there but again we don't know we may never know and then again of course the the statement that
comes up often that he ran straight up the stairs once he entered the house as if he knew where she would be found
there are several people out there too that say Jason is friends with some low-level drug dealer types well let's
just stay on that that real quick um I buy his statements I mean he again he's gone over this with uh detectives
and everything but it is a little fishy to me that you open the door and within seconds you're you're by the body
um but again it could have just been a gut feeling or his thought maybe just been I'm going to
run upstairs first or we don't know every detail that he you know based on the shadowy figures that
he saw or the layout of the house we don't know there could have been a reason why he
decided to go up there first and maybe just subconsciously but I see why people find that a little
fishy I too found that to be strange now we should point out and be very clear here
that two years after the murder Saanich police announced in a press conference that they had actually cleared Jason
zalo they admitted that as Lindsay's boyfriend he had initially been a person of interest but after a two-year long
investigation including 1471 interviews 30 search warrants and follow-up on 752 tips
the Saanich PD Major Crimes unit felt confident that Jason was not involved the forensic evidence Footprints and
fingerprints found at the scene backed up his and Cohen's stories about their movements inside the home that
evening adding quote Mr zalo and his friend were under intense police scrutiny however Mr zayla was
cooperative with police took a polygraph exam and passed based on forensic evidence timeline of communications
witness testimony video surveillance we do I'm sorry we know he's not the Killer
was he perhaps somehow involved in the planning well he successfully passed a polygraph and he successfully took part
in all of these interviews with us so at this point in time he is not considered
a suspect end quote well I'm glad that you bring bring that up because I really think that people don't look at evidence
enough and when you see this chatter online about certain cases it drives me insane there is evidence and what we do
have and what the police are stating is if you look at the forensic evidence and
you look at the questioning and the interrogation and then the lie detector what we know is that the events that he
said that took place that night in that house we know he's telling the truth about that so that could I think should
sway some people to go well if he's being cooperative and the police believe that his stories are
truthful full then some of the things that don't line up you have to start kind of favoring that
maybe he is telling the truth because law enforcement believe he is or believe that they have evidence to prove he is
yeah and the thing too is we understand that polygraphs they don't mean a whole lot to the captain or myself okay we
understand that they don't hold up in a court of law but I like them I don't mind them but I I hate the emails that
that we get or the blog post of why do you even discuss the polygraph exam you know they don't they're not you can't
present them in the court of law well I don't care if you can we understand that
but you you can't also present in the court of law that a detective got a bad feeling about somebody but somebody that
interviews hundreds of thousands of people throughout their career I'm going to go with some of these people's guts
gut feelings well and it's not us that asked anybody to take a polygraph exam we're just reporting this but I will
we're reporting what the police stated that that he was given one and according to them they he passed it now police
also publicly denied swirling rumors that they searched the condo where Jason and Lindsay lived but only after
obtaining a warrant now to be perfectly clear the condo was searched but they did not need a warrant we don't know why
exactly they did not need a warrant but presumably we can say it could be because Jason gave them permission right
Jason did lawyer up pretty quickly but this is probably because he was placed in restraints and taken to the station
when he found Lindsay's body this is a move that any smart person would likely make police investigated
Jason his finances his background his associates his business dealings thoroughly for two years the fact is
there is simply zero I actually think right I actually think the play by the law enforcement is bad to actually cuff
him I think what they should have done is don't cuff him take him down the station for questioning and to see if he
would lawyer up but I think like you said once you're taken down and um and you're cuffed and you're in restraints
that might get you thinking hey this is serious and I need a lawyer up now on to
Jason's family according to internet theorists on Jeff busiak's website and other message
boards this is the Zelo family conspiracy the theory is complicated but let's go through it
Jason's brother Ryan and Jason's mother Shirley also worked in the real estate business
Lindsay actually met Jason through his brother Ryan whom she met at their real estate course
they all worked for the same company and did business together Shirley was Lindsay's manager at Re Max
And depending on who you ask either her mentor and Confidant or her Nemesis many
believe that Shirley and likely Ryan were all in on this hit on Lindsay and here's what they base this
conspiracy theory on Shirley zalo bought a lake house for Lindsay and Jason that cost in excess of
1.2 million dollars and also paid for Lindsay's breast enhancement surgery let's go ahead and go through this
before we move on to the next thing that those statements are false okay the truth is the lake house was just
Shirley's vacation home Shirley owned this home it was her vacation home right and the other truth Lindsay paid for her
own surgery so whatever people think that that property or the money involved in the surgery or that property
however they believe it to be mixed up in the murder of Lindsay it doesn't work out right it just
doesn't work out okay and here's the other thing Shirley had a lot of money and therefore
some people say she must have been involved in drug trafficking money laundering or a combination thereof
the truth is Shirley simply is just a very successful real estate agent and realtor she's she's really good at what
she does and that has really Advanced her career and her earnings throughout the years right so but to be clear
so there was a lake house they when they decided to move in when Jason and Lindsay decided to move in together
that's where they moved they were there for a while and then that and then after
being there for a while they moved out and got a condo together right so we also have a situation where people
point out that Lindsay found out about the corruption and Shirley Jason and Ryan's business so she had to be
eliminated again this goes back to the idea of Shirley has a lot of money therefore she
must be involved in something nefarious the truth is again she's just a successful person
now surely set the whole thing up by calling Lindsay in a fake accent so this is people saying that surely
Jason's mother was actually the person that made that phone call well lens only know by pings and the the phone was in
the a whole different area until that Friday you're absolutely correct uh Shirley and Ryan in Disguise where
actually the couple who met up with Lindsay or the Mexican couple that was hired to help to lure Lindsay into the
home and Ryan and or Shirley were waiting inside to waiting inside the house to kill Lindsay
okay so this one's a little convoluted because there's several different ways that this works out but the gist of it
is that Shirley and Ryan would be would be directly involved in the murder either waiting outside for her for the
meeting to bring her into the home or one or both of them actually committed the murder themselves problem with this
is that we know that Lindsay met with these two individuals and we also have forensic evidence that that puts them
going through the at least the downstairs and so you're going to tell me that that Lindsay is not going to
recognize her her boyfriend's brother in Disguise or or uh or the woman she works
with and for right possibly her Mentor or Nemesis either one he either really like her face or you hate her face and
you but you know her face okay here's some other things too where people point out that Shirley was friends with the
builder remember we mentioned Joe de Sousa and therefore she would have had access to the house
we can't say for certain if she would or would not have had access to the house it seems a little far-fetched for me
um because here's the thing we have the statement of Lindsay not being the listing agent for that property but it's
believed that somebody at Re Max was the listing agent for that property I think
if Shirley zayla was the listing agent if she was directly involved with that property right she would have access to
it and it would be all over the internet but that's not what anybody's saying so
it seems to me likely that that yeah she may have known Joe that doesn't seem to
be that big of a deal because what we will find what I believe to be one of the issues with this case and with the
rumors swirling around this whole case is that even though that this is a big city in the greater metro area over 350
000 people it's it doesn't live that way it lives as a situation where everybody
is only separated basically by one degree of separation well I think what they mean by her knowing the Builder is
that there was construction going on in that area so that she would know that the construction would have been done by
the time that they were supposed to meet up at 5 30. oh that there would be the the street Builder has nothing to do
with the house that they were meeting at well he built he built the house right but when they're talking about the
Builder they're talking because there's con there was construction on that street always to about five five thirty
every day so they were saying that she would know that this Builder would be gone by then and so there would be less
eyewitnesses agreed but what people are also pointing out is that Shirley would have had access to the house right but
as a real estate agent because when Jason was trying to get access to the house to get inside you know he called
his mother to try to get them to try to get the um the code right well I know that he
called people I don't know for certain who he called well I believe he he called his mother to try to get the the
number and I don't think she could get it but the Realtors would have uh ways to get access to that number but we'd
have a trail because if she is not the listing agent and obviously Lindsay wasn't they would have to probably get
that code from that listing agent so we would have somebody coming forward saying hey you know the day of the
murderers uh Jason's mom came and got got some information from me and also if it's true that Jason called his mother
to try to get access to in into the house then they should be able to find cell phone ping technology
to to kind of find out where Jason's mother was at at the time of the attack [Music]
[Music] foreign we're back you feel the animals so continuing on the path here of the Zelo family having
some involvement or orchestrating this whole murder people point out that Shirley Jason's
mother was friends with a guy named Terry Sheen who lived in a nearby house this is located near the murder house
and that's where some people claim that she that Shirley and Jason's brother Ryan escape to to hide after committing
the murder okay the the problem with this Theory is that house was searched that night
and searched very quickly so they didn't find Ryan and Shirley hiding in this house and in fact Shirley showed up at
the scene within a short amount of time after the murder people again point out that this means that she was already on
scene on location at the time of the murder yeah she just walked out from a bush hey guys so
the thing is I I get that that does create suspicion and I would be suspicious of such but then we have to
take that just one little step further and remind ourselves that surely is not only Jason's mother who he was on the
scene but also Lindsay's boss and as the captain suspects she may have received a
phone call from Jason who was trying to gain access to the home saying something's going on the door's locked I
don't know what's happening here again if that's correct yeah because he was trying to get access he was freaking out
at this point why wouldn't she even just head that way this is again one of those
things where it's like both sides of the coin make sense what we don't know is is
the side of the coin uh the truth well and we one thing we do know regarding phone calls made when he was trying to
access the home one of those calls was to the Re Max office Okay so he may have not directly called his
mother but remember we've already stated that they all work together and so this may be she was at the office
when this call came in the other thing here too is people have said that Shirley later
dated a Saanich police officer so that she had some way of controlling the investigation or the statements that
were coming out from the police department after well after the murder again I get it and I see where the
suspicion is but this seems like a whole lot of orchestrating by by one just a couple of people it seems like a lot of
work to be doing but not only that it's she dated this guy after the fact that could just be a coincidence and again
this is a large city where it seems like everybody knows one another or they're just one degree of separation away from
one another well as far as the motive goes to to involve Jason's mother it's it's this idea again creating the
narrative she saw something she shouldn't have saw okay so what is that and as an investigator it's like you
have to follow that rabbit hole down and then you have to find evidence of what is it is there some involvement with the
drug selling human trafficking whatever it is but if you get to the end of the road and you
can't find evidence of that they're either just a good real estate agent or they're really good at hiding this other
stuff and before we move on we would be remiss if we did not point out that some people
say that the Zelo family even had access to a killer somebody that they could have hired to carry out this murder okay
this would be a man by the name of Ziggy Matheson okay he is by all accounts a low-level
drug dealer Ziggy was a childhood friend and hockey buddy of Jason's and Ryan's yeah
Shirley rented a home to Ziggy now Shirley rented a home to him for five years this wasn't a situation where he
just poof appears on the scene shortly before her murder and then poof disappears shortly afterwards Shirley
rented this home to this man for five years and she stated that you know he lived there for so long because he
always paid his rent on time and he didn't cause us any trouble when he lived there that's not the kind of
renter that you get rid of now Ziggy was arrested for dealing drugs this was years after Lindsay's murder
and he was also once charged with murdering a man who was dating Ziggy's ex-girlfriend Shannon and assaulting her
keep in mind we said charged with murdering he was not convicted of that charge there does not seem to be I'm not saying
that he's innocent in that situation but in this situation regarding Lindsay's case
there doesn't seem to be much of a connection between him and Lindsay other than he is a guy that was a friend was a
one-time friend of Jason's right but she right she sees something that Lindsay sees something she's not supposed to see
the mother then has to take care of it ah I have this renter he's he's a depending on who you ask low level to
mid-level uh drug dealer uh he has a shady past I'm going to hire him yeah and the thing here too is uh
probably for me the most the strangest thing in this whole weird case is a phone call that some say took place
and some say did not take place okay so a a friend of Lindsay's after her murder
receives a call she said that the she received a call from a woman who was very obviously using a fake accent
and she received this call for unknown reasons her friend says that she tries to call
the person back and called repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly until finally somebody answered the phone yeah the
person that answered the phone was Shirley zalo this is one of those weird situations
Captain where I don't know what to make of this whole idea I I personally believe that if this story is true
that's very damning well that's what I mean I don't know whether to make if this story is true or
not because we have Lindsay's friend who says that this is what happened and then later we
have Shirley saying that never happened I don't know what that person is talking
about uh all we have to do is somebody can prove this through phone records so again as the investigator I'm going okay
you tell me this happened you you claim that Jason's mother called you who used this weird accent okay
uh the rumor was that that the friend called the number back about 20 30 times because obviously by at this point when
your friend has been murdered and she's supposed to meet the Mexicans at the showing and you possibly have heard
rumors of this weird accent and you get a call with that you're just going to keep going back keep going back and
finally she uh Jason's mom answers now there should be some phone record of that but to me
you know it's it's one of those things where it does it prove anything other than a phone call was made no it
doesn't but man that that would to me that's a giant red flag if this is true well that's what I mean I don't know
whether to make heads or tails of it whether it being true or not we have we all we have is two stories one story
that it in fact happened and the other story that it never happened he wants to prove the point they could you know
release the phone record well what is that going to show us so that's at least going to show that
the the phone call was made that there was an incoming call from a number that she called a number back multiple times
and uh and then somebody eventually answered and if you can prove that then that some evidence that your story is
correct right but what I'm saying is we don't have a third party to tell us if this in
fact happened or not and so therefore I can't make an opinion on on this whole scenario right but that's what I'm
saying if if I'm the friend and I know that this happened I'm releasing that those phone records to at least prove
you know so much try to prove my point correct correct I'm with you on that so people need to keep in mind though
that the Saanich police they state that they have cleared the Zelo family of any involvement the
spokesman for the Saanich PD stated in a press conference quote we would like to
State unequivocally that no member of the Zelo family is considered a person of interest or a suspect in this
investigation our detectives are satisfied that the zalos have no knowledge or any participation in this
horrific crime end quote so who's next on our list how about Lindsay's ex-boyfriend Matt McDuff
Shirley zalos said on Dateline that Lindsay had confided and heard that she was afraid of her ex Matt
Jeff buziak says that Lindsay wanted to leave Jason and rekindle things with Matt more importantly what do the police
think of this man so Lindsay and Matt dated for five years from 2001 to 2006. there is some
indication that their relationship was Rocky Dateline reported that she called the
cops on him three times in that five-year period Matt did tend to be involved in the drug scene and he did
have some buddies who were considered to be bad news one of these guys is a guy named Edgar Acevedo who goes by vid and
another is Erickson delacazar and his brothers and Associates now we'll get into them in a bit but first Matt has a
pretty strong Alibi okay for the time when Lindsay was murdered one he was with his girlfriend's family
two this is over an hour away at the time and Matt and Lindsay they didn't have any contact with each other for
months and it had actually been broken up for nearly two years at this time right Matt was interviewed and appeared
to be genuinely affected by Lindsay's murder Jeff buziak implied that Lindsay was
still in love with Matt and wanted to get back together with him but the problem with that is we have police
saying that there was no contact between the two of them so we know that this is a murder for
higher situation or it at least appears to be that way so when we look at somebody as a suspect we can't just go
well they had an alibi so they didn't do it I mean you purposely hire somebody to
do that so that you do have an alibi when the murder goes down well like I said be as far away as possible or as
close but the problem with this whole statement is there look he may have known some bad
people um there's no evidence to suggest that he was in any way involved so I feel I think I feel like with Matt
you're just really spinning your tires and and saying well what if what if what if what if but again where is the
evidence that there's any proof that he is tied to this murder yeah the law enforcement they don't like him as a
likely suspect but there is a connection there he might not be involved but his knowing of Lindsay and his relationship
with Lindsay could become a cause correct well one thing that police uncovered in
their investigation of Lindsay was a possible connection to some very nefarious activity remember Lindsay's
father Jeff lived hundreds of miles away in Calgary Alberta right Lindsay flew out to visit him for three days in
December of 2007. so they're going to be digging deep into her life to figure out
where and why was she killed right well they go out to Calgary and they're investigating her murder while they're
there they discovered that she that Lindsay reached out to a male acquaintance from Victoria contacting
this person once by phone and once via Facebook it is not known whether the two actually spoke Matt in person or
anything about the nature of their contact in fact Lindsay went out at least twice during her visit to her
father what she did where she went and who she saw is unknown okay clear this up for me did she's the one
that made contact with this individual or or the individual made contact with her what is reported is that she
contacted this person once by phone and once via Facebook okay okay anyway this person that she contacted
was a family member of a very bad man who we've already named Erickson delicazar
from Victoria now Erickson along with a partner Graham Scott Taylor these two were arrested in January of 2008 and
what Sergeant Horsley described as quote the largest drug bust in Alberta history
we're talking about eight million dollars worth of cocaine this bust pulled in 67 kilos of cocaine plus
weapons and cash all right set up the dominoes and with just one tiny little push watch them all
fall because this bust triggered a massive Scandal that reached into the echelons of the Canadian political
machine we can't tear through all of that here it's kind of a big story as you can
imagine but within the next few months right 12 more operatives were arrested and Calgary police they figured out that
this thing was much much bigger than expected so to emphasize this Lindsay contacted a family member of
Erickson delacazar for unknown reasons and to an unknown extent right just a few weeks later Erickson was busted in a
massive operation an informant based in Victoria told police about the large-scale dealings of Ericsson and
others and wiretaps and surveillance had been in place for two or more months the
snitch had specifically told police about a safe containing over 40 kilos of cocaine just days after the bust which
took place on January 22nd someone activated the burner phone which had been purchased in November to set up a
meeting with Lindsey buziak they took the ferry from Vancouver to Victoria met with Lindsay at 1702 de Souza place and
killed her escaping and leaving almost no Trace Lindsay's murder resembled a targeted
professional hit retribution or perhaps a message to be sent to someone this huge drug bust was not immediately
connected to Lindsay's murder until police and Saanich discovered that she knew some of the people arrested in
Calgary and this connection even though very remote and uncertain has given rise
to a working Theory publicly discussed by the Saanich police in Lindsay's case stating she was targeted and killed
based on a mistaken or deliberately misleading information that she was the informant the people busted in the drug
bust knew that there was a snitch somehow Lindsay's name got passed along to the higher ups in the drug ring
saying that she was the rat perhaps they knew she had been in contact with Erickson's relative or the wrong person
had come across her name it's possible that cowardly lower level drug ring members knew that Lindsay was
not the snitch but deliberately LED others to believe so that she was and when they took care of her they were
seen as solving a big problem and getting retribution and of course it's possible that the
real informant gave the drug gang Lindsay's name in order to save their own ass quote what we can say is that people
lost a lot of money and the people that lost the drugs know that someone spoke to the police said Sergeant Horsley
adding quote a Witch Hunt occurred where people were being questioned people were
being pulled out of their beds in the middle of the night and asked who have you spoken to because they know someone
spoke to the police end quote police confirmed that Lindsay was not Lindsay was not the informant right but believed
that someone may have thought that she was they said that it was possible that Lindsay was believed by her Killers to
have revealed information that she shouldn't have or to have heard information that was damning to them
somehow or that she was simply connected to a dangerous person without realizing
it Sergeant Horsley said you can be a person who just works and Minds their own business in Victoria yet through a
very brief network of friends you could be absolutely connected to people that are involved in Very Bad Things
interestingly enough it was also reported by the CBC News in June of 2010 that the police did not believe that the
couple who lured Lindsay to the house to be killed they did not believe that they
lived in Victoria making it even more unclear how someone got her name or singled her out now in an attempt to
grasp a better understanding of this very complicated involved Theory we spoke at length with author Gary Rogers
Gary is a retired RCMP homicide detective and forensic coroner who is now a best-selling investigative crime
writer and a blogger with the huff post and on his own blog he has stated that a
Mexican drug trafficking cartel organization headed up by the infamous El Chapo operated a large distribution
Network out of Calgary Canada members of One family headed up the local distribution arm the Beltran levian
family the cartel took a large monetary and security loss in What's called the Calgary High Noon police operation
the Calgary drug bust as we discussed they lost 8 million dollars worth of coke and two of their operatives and
then 12 more were arrested after Lindsay's murder as a result of the high noon bust the remaining mid to lower
level drug trafficking players in Victoria BC and Calgary and Alberta were now well over their heads with debt and
to the dto's Western Canadian conduit they had lost 67 kilos of cocaine they were compromised and their backs were up
against the wall and they sacrificed Lindsay's Life as a diversionary scapegoat in a damage control spiricy
Lindsay's hit was designed to send a message down the line to the distribution Network that snitches would
not be tolerated and to send a message up the line to the cartel that the problem had been dealt with
of course we don't know who actually called for the hit on Lindsay or how she was singled out but we do know that she
knew a lot of people who were somehow connected to this drug trade just by virtue of living in Victoria and being
social and associating with people in that world like Matt McDuff and perhaps her reaching out to a family
member of Erickson delicazar triggered suspicion by someone in the network once it discovered that there was a snitch
and it spiraled from there now we should point out that Erickson was in fact in jail at the time of Lindsay's murder
one thing that I do want to discuss though Captain is as far as Gary's upcoming book he is an even more
developed theory about who killed Lindsay and it all stems from what we just spoke about
it's all tied to the high noon drug bust and the players involved one of the men
charged in the high noon at bust was Leo Rojo Beltran he's a Mexican citizen with
deep drug connections he was part of the family that ran the cartel's Canadian distribution arm and was very high up in
the organization he lived in Calgary his sister Mila Rojo lived in Barnaby near Vancouver
one of the drug transport vehicles used in the drug trafficking scheme was stationed at her home so she is very
likely involved in all of this now Mila had a very heavy Hispanic accent and she
looks very similar to the police sketch of the woman who met with Lindsay outside of the de Souza Place residence
with the right build short blonde hair and a profile similar to that in the drawing
Leo is six foot tall a very light skin and a medium build these two fit the bill of Lindsay's quote Mexicans
perfectly Leo Beltran was arrested in the wake of the high noon bust in December of
2008. he was held for a year only on charges of possession of proceeds of a crime but on his file it noted
specifically that he was the specific Target of another investigation we don't know what that is one has to wonder is
this Lindsay's case Leo was deported from Canada to the U.S in 2010 and Mila left Canada as well
they both moved to Southern California Lucky You California Gary believes Leo and Mila are Lindsay's Killers why would
Leo Beltran have thought that Lindsay was the informant the short answer is we don't know neither do the police
Gary also believes that it is possible that Leo Beltran knew that Lindsay was not the snitch right this is
a scapegoat right did he believe that the cartel would believe him when he said that he had taken care of the
informant by killing her involved or not he was sending a message that the problem was dealt with
whoever did Kill Lindsay they covered their tracks very very well no DNA no weapon no fingerprints bloody footprints
that didn't lead to anything a burner phone a vacant house sitting for more than a year unlikely to have
any other people around almost dark a quiet neighborhood and a stealthy exit no one saw anything including a getaway
car or bloody clothes Lindsay was lured to the house and attacked from behind in
an upstairs bedroom away from Windows police came to the conclusion early on that Lindsay was targeted in a
professional hit and after 11 years they still believe that this was the case our recommended reading for this week is
dyingwords.net that is where you will find Gary Rogers blog and information on this case he takes a deep deep dive into
all of the angles and I recommend if you want to learn more you can find a lot of
that well all of that there the captain and I talked about this could have been a case that we could have covered for
several weeks it's a big case there's a lot of speculation just that big drug bust on its own is a huge story yeah
there's many layers of this onion and if you want to dive in a little bit further
not just take our word for it you'll this is where you want to go the other thing that the captain and I believe is
we agree with the statement that this appears to be a professional hit somebody for whatever reason wanted
Lindsay buziak dead what we also agree on is that if you could determine the motivations for that
factor then you very likely will find the road that will lead to the kill [Music]
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Brief Summary

Lindsay Buziak's murder is examined, focusing on suspects, motives, and drug connections in a complex investigation.

Key points

The Beer Culture. Host Nick humorously discusses the role of beer in their lives.
Lindsay's Murder Investigation. Police believe Lindsay was targeted for a professional hit, raising serious questions.
Conflicting Family Views. Lindsay's family has diverging opinions on her boyfriend Jason's involvement.
Unsubstantiated Claims. Lindsay's father claims she saw something dangerous, but evidence contradicts this.
The Zelo Family's Involvement. Speculation arises about the Zelo family's potential involvement in Lindsay's murder.
The Lake House Controversy. Debunking conspiracy theories surrounding a lake house purchased for Lindsay and Jason.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Lindsay confided in him that she was unhappy with Jason.

Lindsay's father's insight into her relationship.

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Tension

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