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all right we continue on to look into the untimely deaths of Barry and his wife honey Sherman who were killed or
possible murder suicide inside their home in Toronto Canada just late last year so this is a recent case and we
know with these captain that a lot of times they have to solve them before you're going to get a lot of information
yeah it's frustrating this one has been a very interesting case to look into because of the possibilities here seem
endless really when you look at this because we're talking about a very successful man who and as we know you
know s success does not come without its hurles along the way mhm there's a good
chance that this man had to step on a lot of step on a lot of toes to get to where he was in life and we all know
that can aggravate and anger people creating enemies along the way on your road to success well his company was
involved in a bunch of lawsuits and he almost seemed to be proud of that in some of the interviews that I saw with
him he'd go and all these papers in my office these are lawsuits isn't that awesome well and one thing that you and
I had a brilliant discussion on on Friday about was one key factor in this this investigation that came out several
weeks into the investigation was the thought of the lockbox and what we mean by that is that when a home is listed
when it's for sale that Realtors will often use a lockbox to give them access to the home and when we have a scenario
here where we reportedly I'm sorry repeatedly have police on records say stating that there was no forced entry
into the home well then one has to speculate could this lockbox have been involved could this be the reason and
for those of you not familiar us usually the way that this system works is that there is some kind of lock box that is
positioned around the front door or on the front door and the realtor can use a code to open up this box and inside
there is a key which allows you into the home now captain and I know several different realtors and we've spoken to a
few of them over the course of this last week and it appears to me that these lock boxes are not all ident identical
they don't all work the same way um um some of them have temporary codes I've also seen some online chitter chatter
that some people speculated that some of them might share a code um and we've come across this in other scenarios on
this show when we talk about safes and getting into locations and keypads and things of that nature M well it seems to
me that there is some kind of system where the real estate agent has to contact somebody to get the code mhm so
that would be on record there's also uh lock boxes that they can hold their phone up and by using an app they can
get into the lock box again that would be something on record does the app tell the lockbox that they are in close
proximity to the lockbox or is it how do you know how that works well I've seen my I'm looking for a home now so I can
I've seen my realtor hold their phone up to the lock box and something happens or
or or they're sent a number through the app or but again there's ways to track all of this so I think one if somebody
used this as a way to enter the house um there would have been some kind of communication on how to get that number
now I'm going to put something out there that maybe people will think oh well here comes Captain conspiracy
Captain what yeah Captain conspiracy Captain potato chips in his throat um that with the dark web that somebody
would be able to get this information probably pretty easily to have some kind of code to unlock the Box um I actually
don't think they use this I think what we're talking about at the end of the last episode I think if they were met by
perpetrators outside the house outside of the garage that's probably the easiest way to gain access mhm and I
agree with you and and like I said we had this brilliant conversation on Friday and then we get into yesterday's
show and we're both kind of more of the mindset that honey was likely approached
or attacked outside of the home and then once they had her they had access to the
home before moving on though I do want to point out a couple things and you said a list you know that they would
have that information and that's where we got this information was that we have the police and investigators coming out
and stating look we have a list of anyone who gained entry to the home in North Toronto which was for sale via the
lockbox that was their exact statement I found that I found that statement interesting because I wanted to know
further does that mean okay this is the list of people that have access to the lockbox and these are the only people
that have access to the lockbox or is this a list that states these are the people that have used the lockbox so far
and on what days and what times and who was all in the party that was looking at
the home how detailed was that information was something that I found to be interesting well maybe I'm wrong
to assume but I'm assuming that law enforcement went down this list they uh questioned all these individuals and
they probably all checked out one thing too Captain I was a little shocked and I'm making an assumption here but I was
a little shocked giving the families wealth and giving given the value of the home M I would have from somebody with a
security background I was expecting that there would be electric door locks on this house whether it be magnets or or
electric that these doors would all automatically lock behind you um that you would use either a keypad or a key
card to enter the home rather than a traditional key which could be the case we don't know but it seems to be like
there's a thought that there's a lockbox somewhere that's able to gain access to
the home now one thing I do want to point out for while we're on the topic of of security and one thing that I used
to tell people uh that I worked for in the past was when you're using these keypads and some of you you know we're
not all on this level but some of us you know of of the level of having these big
expensive homes with these great security precautions and measures going on but a lot of us out there have
keypads to our garage doors M and one thing that I used to have to remind people that would that had access to
those properties when using keypads often I would see people you know you you kind of stand out and you punching
your code and you nonchalantly walk in well it doesn't take an Einstein to be standing behind you down the street
watching you from a window above to see you type in that code and gain access to
that door so one thing I used to have to remind people was Shield yourself a bit
when you're punching in your code just like you would at an ATM machine uh protect yourself when you're going in
and out of your garage door the other thing too wipe those keypads down often if you if you don't clean them and
you're only using one specific code a lot of times you can open up that keypad the cover to the keypad and see which
four or five buttons are being pushed um so those are some some good tips for you
for everybody out there one thing we need to move on to though Captain is the lawsuit now we didn't get into the
lawsuit so much yesterday but what we did Cover and I don't know that we're going to
have enough time to get into the tiny little details of this lawsuit because the broad Strokes it's vast um but what
we're going to do is kind of I think that this is a big thing here this was certainly a big thing in Sherman's life
now we have to determine was it a factor in his demise so Barry Sherman was involved
it's no secret in a great deal of litigation um a lot of these cases were of great importance most of them to his
company now one case in particular was more on a personal level and that was his family some members of his family
had sued him because they felt that they had a rightful claim to a portion of his
company who are these people these are the winters remember Barry gained he was able to take over the
company uh his uncle's company after his uncle passed away and then he turned it
into his own company well his uncle's children were very young at the time that he had passed away I actually
believe the oldest might have only been seven or eight years old so they so they
become orphans four of them yeah and so the thought the general thought is this that because they were so young and
because Barry took over the company they weren't able to have have that same privilege that would be their
inheritance that they they didn't have the opportunity to purchase the that they sure yeah that they should deserve
and therefore their cousin Barry had a fiduciary duty to these children basically he owed them something is what
their lawsuit would State when when to put it plain and simple he owes us something for this great success that he
wouldn't have had he only had it because of because of our father right this case
was not it was not a short case this thing was in trial I don't know if trial is the right word but in
litigation for what like a decade yeah 10 years so we got uh the lawyers must have loved that right that's you make a
whole career out of this one case in September just a couple months before Barry was uh before he passed away the
judge basically says look there's no case here this is wishful thinking on the part of the four winter children
right who are now obviously adults um this is wishful thinking on their part this guy has made his own success and he
owes you nothing now to make it worse uh you've held this guy up in court for all these years you now owe
him $300,000 and I believe that was to cover some of his legal expenses throughout
the course of this figuring this whole thing out yes and then also at some point Barry was giving money to these
cousins to help them try to start their own companies and during this uh litigation
as well those became not just Gifts of money but loans and so those were expected to be paid back as
well yeah and those were millions of dollars yeah and that's one thing that I find I find a little weird do do you
feel like if they felt like they deserve something it was almost like they were getting something because of his success
seen it reported that they were receiving monthly stiens as high as $115,000 each from Barry Sherman and
they were getting homes purchased for them they would get businesses started up and I mean who needs a business
started up when you're getting $15,000 a month well I believe all four of these individuals all four of his it' be his
cousins right right uh all four of his cousin had cousins had issues with alcohol and drugs so and I also just
think that that people do money makes people even greedier just to cover our own butts here though Captain I've only
seen it reported that two of them had had those issues so just so we cover our own butts here um but those two widely
reported okay so the reason why we bring this up is you can't look into this case
without thinking that this could possibly have something to do with it m and regarding the money that they were
receiving from Barry before the way that that worked was they were receiving gifts monthly stiens houses loans All
That Jazz and until they said all right now Barry you owe us something we're coming after you now exactly what the
captain said he's saying these gifts that I gave you in the past you now owe me for some of these gifts and
furthermore the family the cousins are saying look court system he used this to try to control us he used this system
that he created that he could change and manipulate whenever he wanted to as a way of keeping us quiet as a way of
controlling us so he could maintain the company and us not go after him so it's it's tit fortat it's it's him going
after them them going after him it was a long nasty bit to sort out let's be pretty clear about this so Barry gets
the company and let's just call that company Empire right so he gets Empire and basically what this agreement stated
and this is what I this is where it's kind of confusing to me is that at some point that they would be each one of
them would be able to get 5% of the company's um wealth now the way I viewed that is that they'd have the opportunity
to buy into the 5% that's how I view it now I could be wrong so they have the opportunity to
get 5% each that would be 20% % so then they kind of basically went okay how much is Barry worth and we're entitled
to 20% of that the problem is is that at some point uh Empire was sold off or they just did away with and they started
his next company which has nothing to do with Empire right so now you have this company that does not exist and there's
no actual value and and look some people think you know Barry was a you know piece of [ __ ] because he was
trying to keep his family or these cousins you know from getting what is rightfully theirs right but but also
this is just a smart business move if you have a business that is worth something and you know that there is
fine print writing that these individuals that you have lost contact with are entitled to 20% of the business
and then these individuals come back into play well then get rid of that business start your own business now you
don't owe them anything and that's basically what the judge said right right they're they're coming
after Barry because they believe because he got Empire which is a he created his
new company which is B A plus b equals c which was his success in wealth and they
wanted a chunk of c and the and the court system's basically saying well you had nothing to do with B so you don't
get a chunk of C right and also Barry was able to prove that if Barry wasn't in charge of company a
that it would never made any money it at at some point actually was scheduled to
go bankrupt so then you'd get oh yeah you want to get 20% of a bankrupt company they pursue this lawsuit for a
decade for what what is 20% of a five or six billion dollar company that's a whole lot of Rolling Papers if you get
that 20% mhm and then after a decade they're told by a judge you got no here and furthermore you're going to have to
give this dude that you went after $300,000 to make up for his time mm is this a motive for murder yes yeah we've
seen and discussed people being killed for a whole lot less than this I smack demand for a double cheeseburger now
obviously don't anybody go falling off of their Lazy Boy recliner to email me and say well just cuz Barry ends up dead
doesn't mean they get the 20% we understand that we're talking about people that could be very angry at
feeling like they were cheated out of a lifetime's worth of wealth no be let's get this pretty clear Barry dies honey
dies nobody's getting any extra money they're not getting anything but like you said this would be um we didn't get
what we thought were do so now we're going to murder you now and this is also coming now there's out of the four
cousins there's the only one that's really talking yeah and let's focus in on him this is Carrie winter now Carri
winner has said some weird stuff about Barry he claims that at some point Barry said to him hey you know some
people take care of my wife I want her dead right now he made these allegations to The Fifth Estate The Fifth Estate uh
he was willing to take a polygraph he took the polygraph and he failed um now all they did was that all
they asked him during this polygraph test was about this this allegation that Barry wanted Honey
dead and so he so he fails the lie detector then they wanted him to take a lie detector to see if he's responsible
for the murder of Barry and honey and then he refuses now now mind you his lawyer is
saying you just failed one polygraph test we're not going to have you take another one well and this comes about
because he publicly says you know this is a Canadian case can you say a boat route right no okay um I'm in
Ohio uh this comes a boat you can listen to uh a true crime show from Canada if you want um this was Ohio brother anyway
the nighttime podcast here's the thing this comes about because because Carrie says that look I believe this was a
murder suicide I believe that Barry wanted his wife dead and here's why because on at least two occasions this
guy has asked me to put some scenario together where I have his wife killed for him MH and when when you attack him
and go okay well this seems a little fishy could you give us some more information and he
goes well I I remember these conversations happened at Barry's place of work I remember that they happened
sometime in the 90s I didn't tell my relatives about it at the time but I did some maybe tell them sometime before
before before the couple died I did tell a friend or two at the time that he asked me to do this and which which they
confirm that those friends do remember those conversations the other problem with this individual though is he was he
was a drug addict well not heroin a bunch of different things yeah he was in a a Cocaine Anonymous program
a 12-step program now he he also the the bigger problem though is that he has said publicly that he he suspects one a
lot of people would have wanted to see Barry dead including himself that he said he had fantasized and spoke to um
psychiatrist about having fantasies of killing Barry that he wanted to decapitate him and roll his head down a
parking lot or down a driveway or something like that so here we have this very strange I can the only the only way
I can describe this dude is as strange this guy is a he's a see you next Wednesday I look at him he makes no
sense to me he's what he makes no sense to me I don't know that he knows what's going on or what words are coming out of
his mouth because I actually find him somewhat intelligent during the interviews I mean I think he's a he's a
liar but I I think he there was definitely a brain in that head yeah a flashy brain is in that head
he he seems to me I don't understand why this in while this investigation is going on that you come out and say look
I fantasized about killing this dude and he hated he hated honey as well and they
just never questioned him from the beginning and he he fully admits on camera no alibi and also well no no no
no he he no he does he gives an alibi he says okay look taken when when he was asked to go through the possible days of
the 13th and the 14th which is believed that they were killed on one of those two days M this is as much of an alibi
as he provides he states that um he attended a 12-step program on the 13th claiming that he's been clean and sober
for six years now he said that after the 12-step program he went home and watched
an episode of peaky blinders on Netflix and he went to bed he said he most likely spoke to his girlfriend long
distance calling her from his home on that night the next day on Thursday he says he got up at 6:15 a.m. showered
shaved and went off to his job he's a construction supervisor for um six custom homes that are being built north
of the city he claims that on that day while he is at work he could quote absolutely I could not go awall because
we are in regular contact through text email or sometimes phone calls there's no way between 600 in the morning on
Thursday and 600 in the evening on Thursday I I've got a full Alibi with many different trades seeing me in and
out of houses yeah but the problem here is Carrie is a weirdo and he told this to the Sun
newspaper the Toronto Sun that's a d what I read was a direct quote from him to the Toronto son yes now let's play
some clips of him talking to The Fifth Estate and the first part of this clip just so everybody knows what's going on
remember he had said that Barry had asked him twice to kill his wife and what you're going to hear at the start
of this clip is car's changing his story because he's been hooked up to the polygraph the polygraph shows deception
on car's part when asked how many times were you asked to kill Barry's wife honey how many you know were you in fact
asked to kill honey and you hear him changing his song and dance after that polygraph but I still believe it I don't
know why in my head I believe he asked me twice but is it possible you didn't ask you a second time yeah what
percentage do you feel that he only asked you once what would be the percentage pretty high like
how close to 100 yeah yeah he only asked me once it would have been not months or weeks it would have
been within a few days okay he called it off within a few days right as opposed to months and weeks you say mon second
time okay go I mentioned the second time which is false right yes that's the only explanation I have
that I could have embellished and said two times and that she was getting close to being done and she was 20 hours away
and that could have been an embellishment because I I honestly think there was this button idea that she was
20 hours away from going this button thing was a [ __ ] right looking back and I don't know if that's true or not
where I would have dreamt that up though why I would have dreamed it up maybe drugs maybe the drugs possibly or to
make it a more drama oriented Fiasco I'm completely baffled because I didn't think this stay here I'm going to
get the det take [ __ ] failed man okay unbelievable you know I probably had reasons to lash out
to uh to do the dirty deed this would be asked of you by anybody did you kill honey and Barry
Sherman absolutely not I had nothing to do with it I don't know who did it I mean I had opportunity I had motive I
can see why the police might say this guy's is also a [ __ ] nut like I would talk about killing Barry and it was very
graphic the way I was going to do it wouldn't have been belts it was going to be in the apc's parking lot that was my
vision always that he'd come out of the building and Apex and I'd be hiding behind a car and I
just decapitate I wanted to roll his head down the parking lot and I just sit there waiting for the
place no alibi Wednesday night I went to my Cocaine Anonymous meeting I came home
home as I usually do watch some Netflix eat some Doritos fall asleep Thursday night same thing went to work
very easily for me to have left work at anytime CU I'm not on the clock I'm a site supervisor I can get in my car I
can take a 3-hour break during the day I could easily have driven over to Colony
and done the de I admit to that but I didn't I didn't and that's why I'm not [Music]
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for a bit of a roller coaster right there Captain I don't think we need to spend a whole lot of time on Carrie
Winter's character I don't know that well I I I don't want to say that he's like a horrible despicable person um he
he has these fantasies of killing Barry Sherman which he's very honest and open about however he also feels like he's
been extremely wronged by this man so I don't want to try to get in his head and
play games and figure that thing out but cuz he's already he's already in his own
head playing games what where I have the biggest issue with this individual is he should be on a suspect
list I I don't know that he's the prime suspect I don't know that I think that he's even capable or sophisticated
enough to potentially have carried this out however and and to get away with it to this point however what I find very
strange is I'm giving you a d direct quote from an article that was in the Toronto Sun you are playing a clip of
him saying almost the exact opposite when he is on The Fifth Estate both of these situations the both interviews
would have occurred 6 weeks after the deaths of the Shermans so where I have a big problem is he also goes on in both
of these interviews to say I've not talked to the police yet I've not been questioned by detectives yet but however
I I didn't do it so therefore I'm not worried about talking to Detectives that doesn't you know I'm not nervous about
that in any way well and that at the end of The Fifth Estate they do say that he
was contacted by detectives um he's been questioned he is not a suspect at this time right but again six weeks right how
is he not on police o okay we should question these 100 people he was not on that first 100 list how hard is it and I
and I hate to throw sh I'm a blue blood guy every day every night but but what I
have an issue with is I think this is a big slip up on Toronto police department
on their Police Service I think it's a huge slip up and what I mean by that is it does not it takes one interview with
one of the Sherman children one of the grown children to say you know what is there anybody that would have wanted to
see either of your parents dead especially Barry is there anyone well if they would have contacted you know the
Sherman's lawyers too and say out of these lawsuits it's somebody a threat and this this
lawsuit it had it was done with in September it's not like we're talking about years ago
this was months before they were killed or before this incident whatever you want to argue whether it's murder
suicide or whatever right this is a guy that seems to me like it see it's very strange that this guy was not contacted
and questioned within the first week of this going down or at least being one of
the first 10 or 20 people that they talk to I think that what happened yeah but I
also think you have a situation where you have a lot of you know you have a lot of nice houses in this area you have
a lot of possibilities for surveillance footage and that's going to be very important to get right away
where you know if you have uh somebody like carry on video camera in the neighborhood on Wednesday night well you
know when you talk to him 6 weeks later that's a a pretty strong piece of evidence I agree with that but what I'm
also getting at is it seems like very delayed to me six weeks to talk to this guy who is willing to sit down with
people and on camera say I dreamed of killing that dude and not only and here's why and the reason why is public
knowledge the reason why is public knowledge it wasn't hidden from anybody yeah again a tough thing you know to
play Devil's Advocate and to be Champion uh for the law enforcement is the fact that you know it took him six weeks to
do the forensics of this Mansion you know so that's a that's a lot of time spent you know um at this house this
property because it was so large right I I I agree but nobody's going to get me to change my mind that
this guy should have been spoken to within the first week I understand it's a large crime scene here's the other
problem what I'm getting at Captain is I think that they honed in on this murder
suicide and I think there was probably things at the scene to suggest to them that that might be what they are looking
at right and what I'm getting at is one thing we've been critical of other departments we've been critical of
authors we've been critical of podcasters of ourselves of everyone about this is honing in on one Theory
too early too soon and sticking to that and going you know what we're going to work this until it's until this lead is
dead until we can't trace it anymore and then we will start coming up with other
ideas afterward so what are some of these other theories some other possible theories regarding uh the death of the
Sherman so I I want to be clear here it is still up for debate that this was um a murder suicide there's still people
out there presenting that side of the argument where I have where I take issue with that and where a lot of other
people take issue with that is there has been a lot of information that has come
out to suggest otherwise and some of that being the leature marks that were believed to be bindings on the wrist of
Barry and honey Sherman it's believed there is one side of the argument that states that these people their hands
were bound and the bindings were removed after their death and removed from the crime scene there's also strong argument
to suggest that they weren't hanged you know that position that they were found in where they're they look to be hanging
from the rails by their necks there's there's good evidence out there to suggest that they were actually
strangled before that and then tied up to the rails after death so we could sit here and debate the
murder suicide or double homicide thing all day long I think that it's it it would be a waste of everyone's time I
think that there there is enough here for me to suggest that this is a double homicide all right so let's just assume
that it is a double homicide and then what are the theories the three more popular ones are one that we've already
kind of touched on that the family either the family or someone in the family murdered the
Shermans the next theory is an unknown unknown and what what I why I title it this is because Barry Sherman was a very
wealthy man and by some account one of the wealthiest men in Canada mhm and besides his pharmaceutical Empire he
had invested widely in in real estate hedge funds Etc right he he had this investment um with this boat you heard
about this nobody had an interesting beer investment as well well he had this boat called the Great gasby oh yeah I
heard a little bit about that but the boat never existed yeah yeah so he I mean he was spreading his money out and
these are probably a lot of things that honey didn't even know about well or or I mean does she care to know MH you know
what I mean she's got her own Endeavors I mean she's she's on more charitable boards than many charity boards than
most people in that area that most people can name this is a busy this is a busy woman anyway but what I what I'm
getting at with this unknown unknown theory is that he had many many business part partners that that spread
all across the land so according to this Theory Barry Sherman may have in one of
these side deals have found himself in a partnership with one or more unsavory characters let's say mhm and so if maybe
a project suddenly collapsed perhaps he was to blame or he was blaming others uh
some of these partners and somebody wanted or he's cutting somebody out of a deal right and somebody wanted Revenge
uh in this situ sitation I actually think that this scenario is entirely plausible um the problem here for
investigators I think that it creates a wide net it creates a huge let's say Minefield of people to kind of sort
through and sort out lots of paperwork lots of business dealings lots of different potential Partners right and I
think that you have to hone in look some people think that that maybe that honey
was just you know the innocent B standard right and and and I really feel like that if if they just wanted to kill
Barry they could have done so and just like his cousin is saying hey I was going to kill him right outside his
office well I think that's where most people probably could kill this individual that would spent a lot of
time alone at his place of business so to me there there there's a connection they they're they're both
both murdered for a reason you see what I mean the other thought would be that somebody in big Pharma uh took him out
MH um you know and we know that he built a substantial Fortune uh for himself a lot of this like you had talked about
reverse engineering patented drugs and going to Market with cheaper generic versions of these drugs so the precise
number would be unknown but how many people how many companies did this disrupt over the course of four decades
I mean it's almost it's siphoning billions tens of billions of dollars from other companies from balance sheets
from uh you know these affect stock prices they affect people's jobs executive bonuses bottom lines it's
endless right it's end the the tough thing here for me is that the fact that he was kind of backing away from the
business and you'd think that if they wanted to take him out they would also want to you know if we take him out that
it takes down his company too well that's that's possible the the reason why I do like this big Pharma Theory as
well as the last one for similar reasons MH okay one the motive would be obvious
and the other being that if this was a professional hit if this was a hired deal clearly they have
the financial me means to organize such a professional hit and yeah I'm sure there's some people out there going oh
yeah big Pharma you know put a hit out on this doctor this has been uh there's been a bunch of doctors that have ended
up dead but those are the three main theories uh what are some more of the far-fetched ones well the far-fetched
ones in in my opinion I think you share the same opinion is uh one the mob two mad agents and three the clintons and
it's always the clintons if clintons are responsible for everything if you Goen State killer Clinton did you want to go
down any of those roads I I looked into all three of them very briefly and very quickly was able to dismiss them I found
them to be much less likely than the three that we've already discussed well I think the Clinton one is it's it's
just very far-fetched there was some donations to the Clinton Foundation there's a bunch of donations with a
bunch of Barry Sherman was giv money to a lot of different foundations um so I but that idea that was he
lobbying you know for his company and was that a reason why he he ended up dead that's a possibility that's more
likely to me than the Clinton Foundation right right yeah I I actually I don't find any of these three um to be
credible at all I think the the the place that I found that was pumping the Mad agents the most was the national
Inquirer and I their claims are that there were fingerprints found at the scene to suggest that these
professionals came in from possibly overseas and committed this hit and then left um I find it awfully strange that
these professional Hitmen would come in and leave fingerprints at the scene it just makes no it makes no sense it seems
like they forgot their gloves before they got on the plane to to come over here well it like I said
it makes it makes no sense what I think happened here is exactly what you touched upon earlier I think when you
look at the Y plus how equals who I think the why here is why was Honey Sherman killed
because like you said it would have been the the list of enemies that Barry Sherman had is endless that's why we
could sit here and we could talk about possibilities and theories and speculations on this case for 10 more
episodes if you like you can send us an email true Crim garage.com if you would like for that to happen the thing here
though Captain is I find it strange that while Barry had all these enemies yet honey is killed as well she's an
unnecessary uh almost Collateral Damage I guess is what I'm saying it's unnecessary to to kill her if he is your
enemy and right but some people are just evil evil [ __ ] stains right and they're
like well I'll just kill her too so that is a possibility but I do believe that she the whatever I think this is a
Revenge killing somehow yeah that's what I'm getting at and and and like they've
said and that's what law enforcement has said a million times that the T the way
they were choked the way they were strangled this is like up close and personal attack so yeah I I think that she was
killed for a reason and I think that somebody wanted Revenge not just on Barry but they wanted revenge on honey
as well now does that have to be a family member no could it be big Pharma yes could it be an unnown unknown
unknown yes could it be the family yes I think that there was a reason why they both were killed and I think that I
think that it was actually a very calculated attack you know we talked about the possibility of bindings being
used and them removed well I think what I'm seeing here is that when the police walk into the scene they think that this
is a murder suicide because they have no evidence of anybody being in the house or removing anything from the house
right but it's a yeah stag that way there was there was yeah but there's nothing in the home that they find that
doesn't belong there right and there's nothing missing from the home and so that's what makes it seem so
sophisticated to me that's what I think it is sophisticated yeah I think that what happened was I I think she was
attacked out front MH to gain access to the home to wait for Barry to arrive they would have known that this might be
typical typical behavior of these two by watching them for any period of time they killed both of them like you
said up close and personal strangled with belts and then hung around those rails now the question was were they
both Berry's belts one of them is confirmed or at least believed to be Beres Bel belt right I believe they were
both Berry belts and the reason being is I go back to the fact that I think that
nothing was removed from the crime scene and nothing was left at the crime scene
which it adds to the sophistication and I think that you you you they strangled these poor people that were 75 and 70
years old were not able to defend themselves obviously didn't deserve any of this and then they hang them from the
railing there buying time screwing with the police investigation maybe staging the scene to give them the impression
that this might have been a murder suicide buying enough time to get out of Dodge I think I I think the Toronto
police department is very capable of solving this I think that somewhere along the line the private investigators
hired by the family this will be solved and I'll tell you why the family has enough money to pay private
investigators and pay lawyers for many years to come to unlock the truth somewhere along the line there's a
connection to why somebody wanted them both dead there's a piece of paper there's a dealing somewhere that's going
to be discovered and the the private investigators are not going to be able to work that lead or that angle to the
completion of someone's arrest what they will do then is hand it over to Toronto
police and they will get involved and they will find the people that did this and they will trace it back to whoever
hired them to do this I think there are multiple people probably involved in this whole thing
and here's where I have a big problem I I I you know with me well no this is where I have a problem with the Toronto
police department you're really just harping on them today yeah yeah I'm going to so if
you're listening up there Toronto guys about to school you here yeah they already turned it off last time you talk
[ __ ] about them I'm about to school you here okay okay because in the beginning
when you came out and you said where there's no signs of forced entry mhm uh we are not seeking any suspects at this
time look I get that you you were trying to be professional I get that here's what you should have said what you
should have said is look we don't have any answers for you at this time we have a lot of evidence that we are sifting
through and we will have we will have answers for the media and for the family very soon there will be a result and a
conclusion after we have poured through the evidence mhm and why is that your statement to the public because look
these guys that got away that that took everything with them that they walked in
the house with let them think that they left something at the scene let them squirm let them think that they left
something at the scene let them tear their hair out trying to figure out what they left at the scene and all you have
to say is we have a lot of evidence to sift through and we will have answers for you when you when you say that
there's no signs of force entry when you say that we are seeking no suspects that
to me shows guys showing up and going we don't really know what we're looking at
here we don't want the public to panic so we're going to say uh make it make them understand that we're not we're not
actively seeking anybody what's the worst case scenario even if you think that these people were targeted or if
you think that it was a murder suicide worst case scenario the people in the area they stay on high alert for a few
days they watch their backs they lock their doors they love their hug and love their children and wives and keep safe
that's the worst that could happen the other thing is these criminals could have made mistakes had
they believed that they left something behind they could have made mistakes later after the fact I think that I
think that Toronto police blew an opportunity here to to one I think it would have been advantageous for them to
present it that way to the media and then on top of that guess what somebody some somebody on their team I don't know
what level it was somebody somewhere had a cup of coffee with somebody had a beer
with somebody sat down to breakfast with somebody and told him we think we're looking at a murder suicide because her
face was all busted up and his wasn't mhm so you had the time to come up you had the time to leak that and that's not
the whole Department's fault that's one individual's fault I guess captain this is a long- winded version long-winded
way of me saying you're amped up man I don't know exactly who did this and I I think though that there's going to be a
paper trail to to someone that's responsible for this at some point whether it be the person that hired the
hit or the one that performed the hit I think it's likely performed by more than
one person it could even be hired by more than one person I think that somebody in one of those three groups
that we discussed big Pharma the unknown unknown or the family had something to do with it yeah because I I think
sometimes times law enforcement is thrown off by when they go well this is a personal way to attack somebody well
you can hire somebody to attack somebody in a personal way I want you to kill them this way I think whoever wanted
them dead wanted them to know why they were [Music] dying this week we got some recommended
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Barry and Honey Sherman were one of the wealthiest couples in Canada. Barry had founded a large pharmaceutical business in his younger years that was wildly successful. With the success came many friends and enemies. In December of 2017 both Barry and Honey were found dead in their mansion. It’s very likely that the two were dead for more than 24 hours before the discovery of their bodies. Early indicators suggest strongly that the Toronto Police Service suspected a murder/suicide. That Barry had killed his wife and them himself. As the Investigation continued we would find that there are reasons to suspect that the rich couple were murdered in their home. This week we venture back to Canada and see if we can shed some light on the unfolding story of the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. Beer of the Week - Cult Classic by Goose Island Brew HouseGarage Grade - 3 and 1/2 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the unsolved murders of Barry and Honey Sherman, exploring motives, suspects, and theories surrounding their deaths.

Key points

The Untimely Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. Exploring the mysterious deaths of a wealthy couple in Toronto, with numerous theories surrounding their demise.
The Lawsuit That Lasted a Decade. Barry Sherman faced a lengthy lawsuit from his cousins over inheritance claims, culminating in a surprising court ruling.
Murder or Suicide?. Allegations arise that Barry Sherman wanted his wife dead, leading to speculation about the nature of their deaths.
Strange Confessions. A suspect admits to fantasizing about killing Barry Sherman, raising eyebrows.
The Alibi. The suspect claims he was at a 12-step program during the murders, providing an alibi.
Murder or Suicide?. Debate arises over whether the Shermans' deaths were a murder-suicide or double homicide.

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