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gather around grab a chare grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime police believe that Lindsay boak
was specifically targeted for a brutal murder which looks like a professional hit so the real estate showing was
likely a ruse to get Lindsay alone in a place where she was vulnerable the murder shows a certain level of
sophistication and planning now not only were the police stumped as to the identity of the murderers but they were
clueless as to any motive as well right which is going to cause them to look deeper into Lindsay's life yeah
investigators will be examining her financial records and social media accounts even the deleted chats and
messages that she had Lindsay had a lot of friends and by all accounts no enemies she also led a lowrisk lifestyle
didn't owe anyone any money and had a perfect credit score now drugs were a big part of the young 20's lifestyle in
the area at this time but Lindsay was not a drug user and in fact disliked drugs and what they did to people people
now let's go through some of the more popular suspects and theories okay first we want to talk about Jason Zoo her
boyfriend as we mentioned there is a major group of internet crime Watchers who believe vehemently that Jason was
instrumental in Lindsay's murder and this is partially because there are widely Divergent thoughts
about their relationship Lindsay Sister Sarah with whom she was very close said quote Lindsay was with Jason at the time
and I knew that she was extremely happy Lindsay's mother's side of the family the r Meyers who lived in Victoria and
new Jason believe that he has been cooperative and caring in the aftermath of Lindsay's murder but Lindsay's father
Jeff tells a very different story he says that Lindsay confided in in him that she was unhappy with Jason and that
he was controlling possessive and jealous and she wanted out Jeff buak in his very public stated opinion says
Jason zoo was complicit in his daughter's death he doesn't believe that Jason actually did the stabbing but he
believes that Jason and his family are involved in a conspiracy and plotted to kill Lindsay as Jeff Bak tells it
Lindsay was afraid and told him that she quote seen something she shouldn't have
seen even if this happened which our sources say that it did not the rest of her family and friends know nothing
about this but even if she did tell her father that she saw something she shouldn't have seen there is no evidence
that it was in any way actually connected to Jason Jeff has stated that Lindsay saw
something scary that involved something really bad like human trafficking snuff films political corruption extortion and
that Jason was involved we cannot emphasize enough that there is absolutely zero evidence of this Jeff
buak has zeroed in on Jason as have his online followers based on the following rumors speculation gossip much of which
is not backed up by any credible sources and even contradicts actual evidence in
the case so let's try to go through some of these thoughts one at a time Jason and
Lindsay may have been having trouble Lindsay wanted out and also Jason was selling steroids this is one of the
theories that would lead to Jason being involved here's the other Jason engineered his whole Alibi making sure
to be captured on surveillance camera and to bring Cohen along when he went to meet Lindsay right while being sure to
be there well after 5:30 so that the killers would have the opportunity to get her alone well again and this is
also controlling the narrative because we have one narrative saying that she was a little leery about meeting these
individuals and then she wanted her boyfriend to come and assist her while he then controls the Nar by saying no no
that's not why I was there which again one of my big questions is if he was there to protect her and he is a real
estate agent why are you waiting why are you waiting are you waiting to give them
the opportunity to do what you know that they're there to do and that is to murder your
girlfriend or because we have the one one story but then by him controlling the narrative to say no that's not why I
was there that gives the the the question of why would you wait that answers it but who's answering that for
us Jason well I get what you're saying but I I think what we have here is we have
Jeff and others controlling the narrative I think what we have Jason saying is he had to answer the police
and and investigators questions and I think that that is why that what his statements are do not really combat what
the narrative is because it's the narrative is just that it's it's a it's a story of why Jason would be there and
to put bad light onto Jason if Jason was in fact controlling the narrative The Narrative would have
changed by this point it has not it's just simply he's providing an answer to police police are going to want to know
look dude you're the you're her boyfriend how the hell is it that you are the one that discover covered her
body why were you there in the first place she's a big girl she is showing this house she doesn't need your help
what is your reasoning for being there there's no coincidence in the world that explains a
way that you just happen to be at the place and find your your girlfriend's dead body so he needs a reason to be
there police want a reason for him to be there we have Jeff buak and others who are saying he was there as the muscle he
was there as protection to protect Lindsay where Jason is in fact saying no and keep in mind he's questioned that
night he had already answered this question before this whole idea of him being there to protector even came out
so it's not like he's he's well hold on a second though but if you're planning a
murder or you're planning uh somebody to murder your girlfriend you can also then
plan a couple steps hey I know I need to be at this this property cuz I'm going to be seen on surveillance I'm going to
call this individual I'm going to have this other individual with me this gives me an alibi okay so I'm the one that
finds her again that makes some logical Sense on how you open up the front door and within 2 seconds you're upstairs and
you found her body and you didn't go looking anywhere else in the house you went right to her was that part of the
plan so what I'm saying is it's not that far fetched for him to you know for other people to say hey we think that
Lindsay was concerned about going and meeting these individuals and he knew that would be a question that was
brought up so now I need to but it wouldn't shift The Narrative no no no no but the problem with that is it it would
not be the question the question would be why are you there at all for any reason what is your reasoning for
actually being there to which he had a very plausible answer no I and I don't just dispute that but what I'm saying is
it's not that farfetched to think if somebody's involved in this no I get that what figure out their story you
know beforehand well of course of course if you're going to go to the to the effort
to hire somebody to kill somebody that you know you're definitely going to come up with some kind of story right I mean
if you didn't you've just put the the cart before the horse there it makes no no damn sense what I'm pointing lot of
horses in this case what I'm pointing out here is that the narrative that he was there to protect her in any shape or
form did not even that was not even a thought at the time that Jason was initially questioned in the murder of
his girlfriend so it's not like what I'm saying is he's presenting a reason for being there he's not presenting a reason
that's different than what was later said just to be different right is what I'm getting at he's just giving a
plausible reason now here's the other thing that I want to point out too all right first off a much better Alibi
would have been to be as far away as possible if he wanted to get rid of Lindsay and Stage I mean he could have
staged an accident or a disappearance which would made have made a lot less less of a splash than a sensational
Savage murder but then on top of that think about this if he really thought this through unless he's just a [ __ ] if
he's going to go to the effort to hire somebody to kill his girlfriend why wouldn't he be as far away as possible
because now you're opening up yourself to further questioning some people would go well he wanted to confirm that she
was dead wanted to confirm that the hit actually went down mhm okay I get that but any reasonable person is going to
know that you are already subjected to a certain line of questioning because you
are her livein boyfriend mhm now if you're also the boyfriend and find the body be the one that that finds the
body you are opening up yourself to a whole other line of questioning right right which I agree but I also think
like it's kind of one or the other be as far away as possible or be as close as you can you know hide in plain
sight well the the thing here is though he had an alibi without creating one okay he took Cohen with him to
shc to to whatever that meeting was uh that they were going to discuss that day we know that he was the listing agent
for that property that Jason was yeah we know that Cohen and him had a a hockey game later that night right so he had a
solid Alibi from the time that they that he and Cohen arrived at shc through the
end of the hockey game instead if he was involved then we have to believe he went
out of his way to go to the home that she was killed in it just again that doesn't bother me
because like I said it's one or the other in my eyes be as far as way away as possible and be around as many people
as possible or be as close as possible and and you're carrying your get out of jail free card with you in the passenger
seat I understand that but what I'm pointing out here is that going to get real heated in the garage
it doesn't need to what I'm pointing out is that it to me it makes his reason his
reason for being there for being at 1702 desosa place verifiable it makes it makes that carry
more weight to me he has a reason to be there that is not her protection he has a reason to be there to get her to sign
some papers to go over some paperwork to have a quick meeting one Cohen would be
aware of this as he travels along with Jason two you can verify this by the person that actually owns the property
and by the person making an offer on the property as well it just doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense to me now
there's a lot of things in a lot of cases that are not supposed to make a lot of sense so we can we can agree to
disagree on that um well and I'm not saying that that's what I think I'm I'm saying I think that's a lot of these
armchair detectives that's where they're going this doesn't add up to me and and
that's all I'm saying so some other things that people have pointed out here is that Jason moved his car from the
call toac to the main road either to see a signal from the killers that the that
the coast was clear or to see whether they were gone that they had left the property I I don't there's no way for us
to verify why he moved the car right because if you again this is another situation where somebody
comes up with this Theory and you go well that makes sense I'll park here uh I didn't see anybody now I move a little
closer okay now they gave me the signal okay once I saw those individuals now we
got to get into the house okay that makes some logical sense but his story was and and if his story is correct that
he wasn't there to protect her but he was just there for paperwork he didn't want to inter interrupt her he didn't
want to seem like lurking he didn't want these clients to come out and just see some some dudes in the car and think who
the hell are these guys uh so that's why he parked down a little ways once he's not getting a response drives closer so
it's again both kind of make logical sense the other thing though too is if he is in fact there for a meeting think
about the way that this whole event is described red they pull up into the clde saac and he's waiting in the vehicle to
which later he moves the vehicle to an actual parking space okay many times you can sit in a
vehicle waiting and you're not in an actual parking space the way that this is worded is that he actually moves the
vehicle to park the car to exit the vehicle right that also makes sense to me there but again we don't know we may
never know and then again of course the the statement that comes up often that he ran straight up the stairs once he
entered the house as if he knew where she would be found there are several people out there too that say Jason is
friends with some lowlevel drug dealer types well let's just stay on that that real quick um I buy his statements I
mean he again he's going over this with uh detectives and everything but it is a
little fishy to me that you open the door and within seconds you're you're by the body um but again it it could have
just been a gut feeling or his thought maybe just been I'm going to run upstairs first or we don't know every
detail that he you know based on the shadowy figures that he saw or the layout of the house we don't
know there could have been a reason why he just decided to go up there first May
and maybe just subconsciously um but I see why people find that a little fishy I too found
that to be strange now we should point out and be very clear here that two years after the murder sanch police
announced in a press conference that they had actually cleared Jason Zoo they admitted that as Lindsay's boyfriend he
had initially been a person of interest but after a two yearlong investigation including
1,471 interviews 30 search warrants and followup on 752 tips the sanch PD Major Crimes unit
felt confident that Jason was not involved the forensic evidence Footprints and fingerprints found at the
scene backed up his and Cohen's stories about their movements inside the home that evening adding quote Mr zoo and his
friend were under intense police scrutiny however Mr zoo was cooperative with police took a polygraph exam and passed
based on forensic evidence timeline of communications witness testimony video surveillance we do I'm sorry we know
he's not the killer was he perhaps somehow involved in the planning well he successfully passed a polygraph and he
successfully took part in all of these interviews with us us so at this point in time he is not considered a suspect
end quote well I'm glad that you bring bring that up because I really think the you people don't look at evidence enough
and when you see this chatter online about certain cases it drives me insane there is evidence and what we do have
and what the police are stating is if you look at the forensic evidence and you look at U the question and their
interrogation and then the LI detector what we know is that the events that he said that took place that night in that
house we know he's telling the truth about that so that could I think should sway some people to
go well if he's being cooperative and the police believe that his stories are truthful then some of the things that
don't line up you have to start kind of favoring that maybe he is telling the truth because law enforcement believe he
is or believe that they have evidence to prove he is yeah and the thing too is we
understand that polygraphs they don't mean a whole lot to the captain or myself okay we understand that they
don't hold up in a court of law but I like them I don't mind them but I I hate the emails that that we get or the blog
post of why do you even discuss a polygraph exam you know they don't they're not you can't present them in
the court of law well I don't care if you can we understand that but you you can't also present in the court of law
that a detective got a bad feeling about somebody but somebody that interviews hundreds of thousands of people
throughout their career I'm going to go with some of these people's guts gut feelings well and it's not us that asked
anybody to take a polygraph exam we're just reporting that but I will we're reporting what the police stated that
that he was given one and according to them they he passed it now police also publicly denied swirling rumors that
they searched the condo where Jason and Lindsay lived but only after obtaining a
warrant now to be perfectly clear the condo was searched but they did not need a warrant we don't know why exactly they
did not need a warrant but presumably we can say it could be because Jason gave them permission right Jason did lawyer
up pretty quickly but this is probably because he was placed in restraints and taken to the station when he found
Lindsay's body this is a move that any smart person would likely make right police investigated Jason his finances
his background his associates his business dealings thoroughly for two years the fact is there is simply zero I
actually think right and I actually think the play by the law enforcement is bad to actually cuff him I think what
they should have done is don't cuff him take him down the station for questioning and to see if he would
lawyer up but I think like you said once you're taken down and um and you're cuffed and you're in restraints that
might get you thinking hey this is serious and I need a lawyer up now on to Jason's family according to internet
theorist on Jeff bak's website and other message boards this is the zoo family conspiracy the theory is complicated but
let's go through it Jason's brother Ryan and Jason's mother Shirley also worked in the real estate business Lindsay
actually met Jason through his brother Ryan whom she met at their real estate course they all worked for the same
company and did business together Shirley was Lindsay's manager at Remax and depending on who you ask either her
mentor and Confidant or her Nemesis many believe that surely and likely Ryan were
all in on this hit on Lindsay and here's what they base this conspiracy theory on
Shirley Zoo bought a Lakehouse for Lindsay and Jason that cost an excess of $1.2 million and also paid for Lindsay's
breast enhancement surgery let's go ahead and go through this before we move on to the next
thing that those statements are false okay the truth is the lake house was just Shirley's vacation home Shirley
owned this home it was her vacation home right and the other truth Lindsay paid for her own surgery so whatever people
think that that property or the money involved in the surgery or that property however they believe it to be mixed up
in the murder of Lindsay it doesn't work out it just doesn't work out okay and here's the other thing Shirley had a lot
of money and therefore some people say she must have been involved in drug trafficking money laundering or a
combination thereof the truth is Shirley simply is just a very successful real estate agent
and real her she's she's really good at what she does and that has really Advanced her career and her earnings
throughout the years right so but to be clear so there was a lake house they when they decided to move in when Jason
and Lindsay decided to move in together that's where they moved they were there for a while and then that then after
being there for a while they moved out and got a condo together right so we also have a situation where
people point out that Lindsay found out about the the corruption in Shirley Jason and Ryan's business so she had to
be eliminated again this goes back to the idea of Shirley has a lot of money therefore she must be involved in
something nefarious the truth is again she's just a successful person now Shirley set the
whole thing up by calling Lindsay in a fake accent so this is people saying that surely Jason's mother was actually
the person that made that phone call Don't We Know by pings that the the phone was in a whole different area
until that Friday you're absolutely correct uh Shirley and Ryan in Disguise were actually the couple who met up with
Lindsay or the Mexican couple that was hired to help to lure Lindsay into the home and Ryan and or Shirley were
waiting inside to waiting inside the house to kill Lindsay okay so this one's a little convoluted because there's
several different ways that this works out but the gist of it is that Shirley and Ryan would be would be directly
involved in the murder either waiting outside for her for the meeting to bring her into the home or one or both of them
actually committed the murder themselves problem with this is that we know that Lindsay met with these two individuals
and we also have forensic evidence that that puts them going through the at least the downstairs and so you're going
to tell me that that Lindsay is not going to recognize her her boyfriend's brother in Disguise or or uh or the
woman she works with and for right possibly her Mentor or Nemesis either one you either really like her face or
you hate her face and but you know her face okay here's some other things too where people point out that Shirley was
friends with the builder remember we mentioned Joe DUS sua and therefore she would have had access to the
house we can't say for certain if she would or would not have had access to the house it seems a little far-fetched
for me um because here's the thing we have the statement of Lindsay not being the listing agent for that property but
it's believed that somebody at Remax was the listing agent for that property I think if Shirley zoo was the listing
agent if was directly involved with that property right she would have access to
it and it would be all over the internet but that's not what anybody saying so it
seems to me likely that that yeah she may have known Joe that doesn't seem to be that big of a deal because what we
will find what I believe to be one of the issues with this case and with the rumors swirling around this whole case
is that even though that this is a big city in the greater metro area over 350,000 people it it's it doesn't live
that way it lives as a situation where everybody is only separated basically by one degree of separation well I think
what they mean by her knowing the Builder is that there was construction going on in that area so that she would
know that the construction would have been done um by the time that they were supposed to meet up at 5:30 oh that that
there would be the the street would has nothing to do with the house that they were meeting at well he bu he built the
house right but when they're talking about the Builder they're talking because there's con there was
construction on that street always till about 5 5:30 every day mhm so they were saying that she would know that this
Builder would be gone by then and so there would be less I Witnesses agreed but what people are also pointing out is
that Shirley would have had access to the house right but as a real estate agent because when um Jason was trying
to get access to the house to get inside you know he called his mother to try to
get to try to get the um code right well I know that he called people I I don't know for certain who he called well I
believe he he called his mother to try to get the the number and I don't think she could get it but the realators would
have uh ways to get access to that number but we'd have a trail because if she is not the listing agent and
obviously Lindsay wasn't they would have to probably get that code from that listing agent so we would have somebody
coming forward saying hey you know the day of the murders uh Jason's mom came and got got some information from me and
also if it's true that Jason called his mother to try to get access to in into the house then they should be
able to find cell phone ping technology to to kind of find out where Jason's mother was at at the time of the attack
[Music] [Music] all right we're back you filthy animals so continuing on the path here of the
zoo family having some involvement or orchestrating this whole murder people point out that surely Jason's mother was
friends with a guy named Terry Sheen who lived in a nearby house this is located
near the murder house and that's where some people claim that she that Shirley and Jason's brother Ryan escaped to to
hide after committing the murder okay the problem with this theory is that house was searched that
night and searched very quickly so they didn't find Ryan and Shirley hiding in this house and in fact Shirley showed up
at the scene within a short amount of time after the murder people again point out that this means that she was already
on scene on location at the time of the murder yeah she just walked out from a bush hey guys I'm here so
the thing is I I get that that does create suspicion and I would be suspicious of such but then we have to
take that just one little step further and remind ourselves that Shirley is not only Jason's mother who he was on the
scene but also Lindsay's boss and as the captain suspects she may have received a
phone call from Jason who was trying to gain access to the home saying something's going on the door's locked I
don't know what's happening here again if that's correct yeah cuz he was trying to get access he was freaking out at
this point why wouldn't she even just head that way this is again one of those things where it's like both sides of the
coin make sense what we don't know is is the side of the coin uh the truth well and we one thing we do know regarding
phone calls made when he was trying to access the home one of those calls was to the Remax office Okay so he may have
not directly called his mother but remember we've already stated that they all work together and so this may be she
was at the office when this call came in the other thing here too is people have said that shirely later
dated a sanch police officer so that she had some way of controlling the investigation or the statements that
were coming out from the police department after well after the murder again I get it and I see where the
suspicion is but this seems like a whole lot of orchestrating by by one just a couple of people it seems like a lot of
work to be doing but not only that it's she dated this guy after the fact that could just be a coincidence and again
this is a large city where it seems like everybody knows one another or they're just one degree of separation away from
one another well as far as the motive goes to to involve Jason's mother it's it's this idea again creating the Nar of
she saw something she shouldn't have saw okay so what is that and as an investigator it's like you have to
follow that rabbit hole down and then you have to find evidence of what is it is it some involvement with the drug
selling um human trafficking whatever it is but if you get to the end of the road
and you can't find evidence of that that they're either just a good real estate agent or they're really good at hiding
this other stuff and before we move on we would be remiss if we did not point out that some people say that the zoo
family even had access to a killer somebody that they could have hired to carry out this murder okay this would be
a man by the name of Ziggy mathson okay he is by all accounts a lowlevel drug dealer
Ziggy was a childhood friend and hockey buddy of Jason's and Ryan's yeah Shirley
rented a home to Ziggy now Shirley rented a home to him for five years this wasn't a situation where he just poof
appears on the scene shortly before her murder and then poof disappears shortly afterwards Shirley rented this home to
this man for 5 years and she stated that you know he lived there for so long because he always paid his rent on time
and he didn't cause us any trouble when he lived there that's not the kind of renter that you get rid of now Ziggy was
arrested for dealing drugs this was years after Lindsay's murder and he was also once charged with murdering a man
who was dating Ziggy's ex-girlfriend Shannon and assaulting her keep in mind we said charged with
murdering he was not convicted of that charge there does not seem to be I'm not saying that he's innocent in that
situation but in this situation regarding Lindsay's case there doesn't seem to be much of a connection between
him and Lindsay other than he is a guy that was a friend was a one-time friend of Jason's right but she right she sees
something that Lindsay sees something she's not supposed to see the mother then has to take care of it uh I have
this renter he's he's a depending on who you ask lowlevel to midlevel uh drug dealer uh he has a shady past I'm going
to hire him yeah and the thing here too is uh probably for me the most the strangest thing in this whole weird case
is a phone call that some say took place and some say did not take place MH okay
so a a friend of Linds after her murder receives a call she said that the she received a call from a woman who was
very obviously using a fake accent and she received this call for unknown reasons her friend says that she tries
to call the person back and called repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly until finally somebody answered the phone yeah
the person that answered the phone was Shirley Zoo this is one of those weird situations Captain where I don't know
what to make of this whole idea I I I personally believe that if this story is true that's very
damning well that's what I mean I don't know whether to make if this story is true or not because we have Lindsay's
friend who says that this is what happened and then later we have Shirley saying that never happened I don't know
what that person is talking about well right but all we have to do is somebody can prove this through phone record so
again as the investigator I'm going okay you tell me this happened you you claim
that Jason's mother called you use this weird accent okay uh the rumor was that that the
friend called the number back about 20 30 times because obviously by at this point when your friend has been murdered
and she's supposed to meet the Mexicans at at the showing and you possibly have heard rumors of this weird accent and
you get a call with that you're just going to keep calling back keep calling back and finally she uh Jason's mom
answers now there should be some phone record of that but to me you know it's it's one of those
things where does it prove anything other than a phone call was made no it doesn't
but man that that would uh to me that's a giant red flag if this is true well that's what I mean I don't know whether
to make heads or Tales of it whether it being true or not we have we all we have
is two stories one story that it in fact happened and the other story that it never happened well if the friend wants
to prove the point they could you know release the phone record well what is that going to show
us that's at least going to show that the the phone phone call was made that there was an incoming call from a number
that she called a number back multiple times and uh and then somebody eventually answered and if you can prove
that then that's some evidence that your story is correct right but what I'm saying is we
don't have a third party to tell us if this in fact happened or not and so therefore I can't make an opinion on on
this whole scenario right but that's what I'm saying if if I'm the friend and I know that this happened I'm releasing
that those phone records to at least Pro you know to somewhat try to prove my point correct correct I'm I'm with you
on that so people need to keep in mind though that the sanch police they state that they have cleared
the zoo family of any involvement the spokesman for the sanch PD stated in a press conference quote we would like to
State unequivocally that no member of the zoo family is considered a person of interest or a suspect in this
investigation our detectives are satisfied that the zos have no knowledge or any participation in this horrific
crime end quote so who's next on our list how about Lindsay's ex-boyfriend Matt mdff Shirley Zoo said on Dateline
that Lindsay had confided in her that she was afraid of her ex Matt Jeff Buc says that Lindsay wanted to leave Jason
and rekindle things with Matt mhm more importantly what do the police think of this Matt so Lindsay and Matt dated for
5 years from 2001 to 2006 there is some indication that their relationship was Rocky dat line reported that she called
the cops on him three times in that 5-year period Matt did tend to be involved in the drug scene and he did
have some buddies who were considered to be bad news one of these guys is a guy named Edgar aavo who goes by vid and
another is Ericson delazar and his brothers and Associates now we'll get into them in a bit but
first Matt has a pretty strong Alibi okay for the time when Lindsay was murdered one he was with his
girlfriend's family two this is over an hour away at the time and Matt and Lindsay they didn't have any contact
with each other for months and it had actually been broken up for nearly 2 years at this time right Matt was
interviewed and appeared to be genuinely affected by Lindsay's murder Jeff buak implied that Lindsay was still in love
with Matt and wanted to get back together with him but the problem with that is we have police saying that there
was no contact between the two of them so we know that this is a murder for higher situation or at least appears to
be that way so when we look at somebody as a suspect we can't just go well they had an alibi so they didn't do it I mean
you purposely hire somebody to do that so that you do have an alibi when the murder goes down well like I said be as
far away as possible or that's close but the problem with this whole statement is there look he may have known some bad
people M there's no evidence to suggest that he was in any way involved so I feel I feel like with Matt you're just
really spinning your tires in in and saying well what if what if what if what if but again where is the evidence that
there's any proof that he is tied to this murder yeah law enforcement does they don't like him as a likely suspect
but there is a connection there he might not be involved but his knowing of Lindsay and his relationship with
Lindsay could become a cause correct well one thing that police uncovered in their investigation of Lindsay was a
possible connection to some very nefarious activity remember Lindsay's father Jeff lived hundreds of miles away
in Calgary Alberta right Lindsay flew out to visit him for 3 days in December of 2007 so they're going to be digging
deep into her life to figure out where and why was she killed right well they go out to Calgary and they're
investigating her murder while they're there they discovered that she that Lindsay reached out to a male
acquaintance from Victoria contacting this person once by phone and once via Facebook it is not known whether the two
actually spoke met in person or anything about the nature of their contact in fact Lindsay went out at least twice
during her visit to her father what she did where she went and who she saw is unknown okay clear this up for me
did she's the one that made contact with this individual or or the individual made
contact with her what is reported is that she contacted this person once by phone and once via Facebook okay okay
anyway this person that she contacted was a family member of a very bad man who we've already named Erikson aazar
from Victoria now Erikson along with a partner Graham Scott Taylor these two were arrested in January of 2008 and
what Sergeant horley described as quote the largest drug bust in Alberta history
we're talking about $8 million worth of cocaine this bust pulled in 67 kilos of cocaine plus weapons and cash all right
set up the dominoes and with just one tiny little push watch them all fall because this bust triggered a massive
Scandal that reached into the echelons of the Canadian political machine we can't tear through all of that here it's
kind of a big story as you can imagine but within the next few months right 12 more operatives were arrested and
Calgary police they figured out that this thing was much much bigger than expected so to emphasize this Lindsay
contacted a family member of Ericson delazar for unknown reasons and to an unknown extent right just a few weeks
later Erikson was busted in a massive operation an informant based in Victoria told police about the large scale
dealings of Ericson and others and wir Taps and surveillance had been in place for two or more months the snitch had
specifically told police about a safe containing over 40 kilos of cocaine just days after the bust which took place on
January 22nd someone activated the burner phone which had been purchased in November to set up a meeting with
Lindsay buak they took the ferry from Vancouver to Victoria met with Lindsay at 1702 deusa place and killed her
escaping and leaving almost no Trace Lindsay's murder resembled a targeted professional hit retribution or perhaps
a message to be sent to someone this huge drug bus was not immediately connected to Lindsay's murder until
police and sanch discovered that she knew some of the people arrested in Calgary and this connection even though
very remote and uncertain has given rise to a working Theory publicly discussed by the sanch police in Lindsay's case
stating she was targeted and killed based on a mistaken or deliberately misleading information that she was the
informant the people busted in the drug bust knew that there was a snitch somehow Lindsay's name got passed along
to the higher ups in the drug ring saying that she was the rat perhaps they knew she had been in contact with
Ericson's relative or the wrong person had come across her name it's possible that coward
lower level drug ring members knew that Lindsay was not the snitch but deliberately LED others to believe so
that she was and when they took care of her they were seen as solving a big problem in getting retribution mhm and
of course it's possible that the real informant gave the drug gang Lindsay's name in order to save their own ass
quote what we can say is that people lost a lot of money and the people that lost the drugs know that someone spoke
to the police said Sergeant hely adding quote a Witch Hunt occurred where people
were being questioned people were being pulled out of their beds in the middle of the night and asked who have you
spoken to because they know someone spoke to the police end quote police confirmed that Lindsay was not Lindsay
was not the informant right but believe that someone may have thought that she was they said that it was possible that
Lindsay was believed by her Killers to have revealed information that she shouldn't have or to have heard
information that was damning to them somehow or that she was simply connected to a dangerous person without realizing
it sergeant horley said you can be a person who just works and Minds their own business in Victoria yet through a
very brief network of friends you could be absolutely connected to people that are involved in Very Bad Things
interestingly enough it was also reported by the CBC News in June of 2010 that the police did not believe that the
couple who lured Lindsay to the house to be killed they did not believe that they
lived in Victoria making it even more unclear how someone got her name or singled her out now in an attempt
to grasp a better understanding of this very complicated involved Theory we spoke at length with author Gary Rogers
Gary is a retired RCMP homicide detective and forensic coroner who is now a best-selling investigated crimer
writer and a blogger with the huff post and on his own blog he has stated that a
Mexican drug trafficking cartel organization headed up by by the infamous El Chapo operated a large
distribution Network out of Calgary Canada members of One family headed up the local distribution arm the Beltran
levian family the cartel took a large monetary and security loss in What's called the Calgary High Noon police
operation the Calgary drug bus as we discussed they lost $8 million worth of coke and two of their operatives in and
then 12 more were arrested after Lindsay's murder as a result of the high noon bust the remaining mid to lower
level drug trafficking players in Victoria BC and Calgary and Alberta were now well over their heads with debt and
to the D's Western Canadian conduit they had lost 67 kilos of cocaine they were compromised and their backs were up
against the wall and they sacrif riced Lindsay's Life as a diversionary scapegoat in a damage control spiracy
Lindsay's hit was designed to send a message down the line to the distribution Network that snitches would
not be tolerated and to send a message up the line to the cartel that the problem had been dealt with of course we
don't know who actually called for the hit on Lindsay or how she was singled out but we do know that she knew a lot
of people who were somehow connected to this drug trade just by virtue of living
in Victoria and being social and associating with people in that world like Matt McDuff and perhaps her
reaching out to a family member of Ericson delazar triggered suspicion by someone in the network once it
discovered that there was a snitch and it spiraled from there now we should point out that Ericson was in fact in
jail at the time of Lindsay's murder one thing that I do want to discuss though Captain is as far as Gary's
upcoming book he has an even more developed theory about who killed Lindsay and it all stems from what we
just spoke about it's all tied to the high noon drug bust and the players involved one of the men charged in the
High Noon bust was Leo Rojo beldam he's a Mexican citizen with deep drug connections he was part of the family
that ran the the cartel's Canadian distribution arm and was very high up in the organization he lived in Calgary his
sister Mila Rojo lived in Barnaby near Vancouver one of the drug transport vehicles used in the drug trafficking
scheme was stationed at her home so she is very likely involved in all of this now Mila had a very heavy Hispanic
accent and she looks very similar to the police sketch of the woman who met with
Lindsay outside of the dusa place residence with the right build short blonde hair and a profile similar to
that in the drawing Leo is 6' tall a very light skin and a medium build these two fit the
bill of Lindsay's quote Mexicans perfectly Leo Beltran was arrested in the wake of the high noon bust in
December of 20 8 he was held for a year only on charges of possession of proceeds of a crime but
on his file it noted specifically that he was the specific Target of another investigation we don't know what that is
one has to wonder is this Lindsay's case Leo was deported from Canada to the US in
2010 and Mila left Canada as well they both moved to Southern California Lucky You California Gary believes Leo and
Mila are Lindsay's Killers why would Leo Beltran have thought that Lindsay was the informant the short answer is we
don't know neither do the police Gary also believes that it is possible that Leo Beltran knew that Lindsay was not
the snitch right just a scapegoat right that he believed that the cartel would believe him when he said that he had
taken care of the informant by killing her involved or not he was sending a message that the problem was dealt with
whoever did Kill Lindsay they covered their tracks very very well no DNA no weapon no fingerprints bloody footprints
that didn't lead to anything a burner phone a vacant house sitting for more than a year unlikely to have any other
people around almost dark quiet neighborhood and a stealthy exit no one saw anything including a getaway car or
bloody clothes Lindsay was lured to the house and attacked from behind in an upstairs bedroom away from Windows
police came to the conclusion early on that Lindsay was targeted in a professional hit and after 11 years they
still believe that this was the case our recommended reading for this week is dying word.net
that is where you will find Gary Rogers blog and information on this case he takes a deep deep dive into all of the
angles and I recommend if you want to learn more you can find a lot of that well all of that there the captain and I
talked about this could have been a case that we could have covered for several weeks it's a big case there's a lot of
speculation just that big drug bust on its own is a huge story yeah there's many layers of this onion and if you
want to dive in a little bit further um and not just take our word for it you this is where you want to go the other
thing that the captain and I believe is we agree with the statement that this appears to be a professional hit
somebody for whatever reason wanted Lindsay boak dead what we also agree on is that if you could determine the
motivations for that factor mhm then you very likely will find the road that will
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Brief Summary

Lindsay Boak was murdered in a targeted hit; suspects include her boyfriend Jason Zoo and connections to a drug bust.

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The Murder of Lindsay Boak. Lindsay Boak was targeted for a brutal murder, raising questions about her relationships.
Jason Zoo's Alibi. Jason Zoo was cleared as a suspect after extensive investigation, but questions remain.
The Zoo Family Conspiracy. Many believe Shirley and Ryan Zoo were involved in Lindsay's murder based on financial ties and relationships.
Suspicious Phone Call. A friend of Lindsay claims to have received a suspicious call from someone using a fake accent.
Police Clear Zoo Family. The police state that no member of the Zoo family is considered a suspect in Lindsay's murder.

Episode highlights

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Lindsay was with Jason at the time and I knew that she was extremely happy.

Quote from Lindsay's sister about her relationship with Jason.

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