Barry and Honey Sherman /// Part 2 /// 211 | Forensic Files

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all right we continue on to look into the untimely deaths of Barry and his wife honey Sherman who were killed or
possible murder suicide inside their home in Toronto Canada just late last year so this is a recent case and we
know with these captain that a lot of times they have to solve them before you're going to get a lot of information
yeah it's frustrating this one has been a very interesting case to look into because of the possibilities here seem
endless really when you look at this because we're talking about a very successful man who
and as we know you know success does not come without its hurdles along the way there's a good chance that this man had
to step on a lot of step on a lot of toes to get to where he was in life and we all know that can
aggravate and anger people creating enemies along the way on your road to success it was company was involved in a
bunch of lawsuits and he almost seemed to be proud of that in some of the interviews that I saw with him he'd go
and all these papers in my office these are lawsuits isn't that awesome well and
one thing that you and I had a brilliant discussion on on Friday about was one key factor in this this investigation
that came out several weeks into the investigation was the thought of the lock box and what we mean by that is
that when a home is listed when it's for sale that Realtors were often use a lock
box to give them access to the home and when we have a scenario here where we reportedly I'm sorry repeatedly have
police on record say stating that there was no forced entry into the home well then one has to speculate could this
lock box have been involved could this be the reason and for those of you not familiar
usually the way that this system works is that there is some kind of lock box that is positioned around the front door
or on the front door and the realtor can use a code to open up this box and inside there is a key which allows you
into the home now captain and I know several different realtors and we've spoken to a few of
them over the course of this last week and it appears to me that these lock boxes are not all identical they don't
all work the same way some of them have temporary codes I've also seen some online chitter chatter that some people
speculated that some of them might share a code and we've come across this in other
scenarios on this show when we talk about safes and getting into locations and keypads and things of that nature
well it seems to me that there is some kind of system where the real estate agent has to
contact somebody to get the code so that would be on record there's also lock boxes that they can hold their phone up
and by using an app they can get into the lock box again that would be something on record does
the app tell the lockbox that they are in close proximity to the lock box or is it how do you know how that works well
I've seen my I'm looking for a home now so I can I've seen my realtor hold their
phone up to the lock box and something happens and or or or they're set a number through the app or but again
there's ways to track all of this so I think one if somebody used this as a way to enter the house
um there would have been some kind of communication on how to get that number now I'm going to put something out there
that maybe people will think oh well here comes Captain conspiracy Captain what yeah Captain conspiracy Captain potato
chips on his throat um that with the dark web that somebody would be able to get this information
probably pretty easily to have some kind of code to unlock the Box um I actually don't think they use this
I think what we're talking about at the end of the last episode I think if they were met by perpetrators outside the
house outside the garage that's probably the easiest way to gain access and I agree with you and like I said we had
this brilliant conversation on Friday and then we get into yesterday's show and we're both kind of more of the
mindset that honey was likely approached or attacked outside of the home and then
once they had her they had access to the home before moving on though I do want to point out a couple things and you
said a list you know that they would have that information and that's where we got this information was that we have
the police and investigators coming out and stating look we have a list of anyone who gained entry to the home in
North Toronto which was for sale via the lock box that was their exact statement
I found that I found that statement interesting because I wanted to know further does that mean okay this is the
list of people that have access to the lock box and these are the only people that have access to the lock box or is
this a list that states these are the people that have used the lock box so far and on what days and what times and
who was all in the party that was looking at the home how detailed was that information was something that I
found to be interesting well maybe I'm wrong to assume but I'm assuming that law enforcement went down this list they
uh questioned all these individuals and they probably all checked out one thing too Captain I was a little shocked and
I'm making an assumption here but I was a little shocked giving the families wealth and giving given the value of the
home I would have from somebody with a security background I was expecting that there would be electric door locks on
this house whether it be magnets or or electric that these doors would all automatically lock behind you
um that you would use either a keypad or a key card to enter the home rather than
a traditional key which could be the case we don't know but it seems to be like there's a thought that there's a
lock box somewhere that's able to gain access to the home now one thing I do want to point out for while we're on the
topic of of security and one thing that I used to tell people that I worked for in the past was when you're using these
keypads and some of you you know we're not all on this level but some of us you know of of the level of having these big
expensive homes with these great security precautions and measures going on but a lot of us out there have
keypads to our our garage doors and one thing that I used to have to remind people that would that had access to
those properties when using keypads often I would see people you know you kind of stand out and you punch in your
code and you nonchalantly walk in well it doesn't take an Einstein to be standing behind you down the street
watching you from a window above to see you type in that code and gain access to
that door so one thing I used to have to remind people was Shield yourself a bit
when you're punching in your code just like you would at an ATM machine protect yourself when you're going in and out of
your garage door the other thing too wipe those keypads down often if you if you don't clean them and you're only
using one specific code a lot of times you can open up that keypad the cover to the keypad and see which four or five
buttons are being pushed um so those are some some good tips for you for everybody out there one thing we
need to move on to though Captain is the lawsuit now we didn't get into the lawsuit so much yesterday but what we
did Cover and I don't know that we're going to have enough time to get into the tiny little details of this lawsuit
because maybe the broad Strokes it's vast um but what we're going to do is kind of
I think that this is a big thing here this was certainly a big thing in Sherman's life now we have to determine
was it a factor in his demise so Barry Sherman was involved it's no secret in a great deal of litigation
um a lot of these cases were of great importance most of them to his company now one case in particular was more on a
personal level and that was his family some members of his family had sued him because they felt that they had a
rightful claim to a portion of his company who are these people these are the winters
remember Barry gained he was able to take over the company uh his uncle's company after his uncle
passed away and then he turned it into his own company well his uncle's children were very
young at the time that he had passed away I actually believe the oldest might have only been seven or eight years old
so they become orphans four of them yeah and so the thought the general thought is this that because they were so young
and because Barry took over the company they weren't able to have have that same
privilege that would be their inheritance that they that have the opportunity to purchase the did they
sure yeah that they should deserve and therefore their cousin Barry had a fiduciary duty to these children
basically he owed them something is what their lawsuit would State when when to put it plain and simple he owes us
something for this great success that he wouldn't have had he only had it because
of because of our father right this case was not it was not a short case this thing was in trial I don't know if
trial's the right word but in litigation for what like a decade yeah 10 years so
we got uh the lawyers must have loved that right that's of course you make a whole career out of this one case
in September just a couple months before Barry was uh before he passed away the judge basically says look there's no
case here this is wishful thinking on the part of the four winter children right who are now obviously adults
um this is wishful thinking on their part this guy has made his own success and he owes you nothing now
to make it worse uh you've held this guy up in court for all these years you now owe him three
hundred thousand dollars and I believe that was to cover some of his legal expenses throughout the course of this
figuring this whole thing out yes and then also at some point Barry was giving money to these cousins to help them try
to start their own companies and during this uh litigation as well those became not just Gifts of money but
loans and so those were expected to be paid back as well yeah and those were millions of dollars
yeah and that's one thing that I find I find a little weird do you feel like if they felt like they deserved
something it was almost like they were getting something because of his success I've seen it reported that they were
receiving monthly stipends as high as fifteen thousand dollars each from Barry Sherman
and they were getting homes purchased for them they would get businesses started up and I mean who needs a
business started up when you're getting fifteen thousand dollars a month well I believe all four of these individuals
all four of his uh would be his cousins right right uh all four of his cousin had cousins had issues with alcohol and
drugs so and I also just think that that people do money makes people even greedier just to cover our own butts
here though Captain I've only seen it reported that two of them had had those issues so just so we cover our own butts
here um but those two widely reported okay so the reason why we bring this up is you
can't look into this case without thinking that this could possibly have something to do with it and regarding
the money that they were receiving from Barry before the way that that worked was they were receiving gifts monthly
stipends houses loans All That Jazz and until they said all right now Barry you owe us something we're coming after you
now exactly what the captain said he's saying these gifts that I gave you in the past
you now owe me for some of these gifts and furthermore the family the cousins are saying look court system he used
this to try to control us he used this system that he created that he could change and manipulate whenever he wanted
to as a way of keeping us quiet as a way of controlling us so he could maintain the company and us not go after him so
it's it's Tit for Tat it's it's him going after them them going after him it was a long nasty bit to sort of let's be
pretty clear about this so Barry gets the company and let's just call that company Empire right so he gets Empire
and basically what this agreement stated and this is what I this is where it's kind of confusing to me
is that at some point that they would be each one of them would be able to get five percent of the companies
um wealth now the way I viewed that is that they'd have the opportunity to buy into the five percent
that's how I view it now I could be wrong so they have the opportunity to get five
percent each that would be twenty percent so then they kind of basically went okay how much is Barry worth and
we're entitled to 20 of that the problem is is that at some point uh Empire was sold off or
they just did away with and they started his next company which has nothing to do
with Empire right so now you have this company that does not exist and there's no actual value and and look some people
think you know Barry was a you know piece of [ __ ] because he's trying to keep his family or these cousins you
know from getting what is rightfully theirs right but I but also this is just a smart business move if you have a
business that is worth something and you know that there is fine print writing that these individuals that you have
lost contact with are entitled to 20 of the business and then these individuals come back into play well they can get
rid of that business start your own business now you don't owe them anything and that's basically what the judge said
right right they're they're coming after Barry because they believe because he got Empire which is a he created his new
company which is B A plus b equals c which was his success in wealth and they wanted a chunk of C in the in the court
system is basically saying well you had nothing to do with B so you don't get a chunk of C right and also Barry was able
to prove that if Barry wasn't in charge of company a that it would never made any money at some point actually was
scheduled to go bankrupt so then you'd get you know oh yeah you want to get 20 of a bankrupt company they
pursue this lawsuit for a decade for what what is 20 of a five or six billion dollar company that's a whole lot of
Rolling Papers if you get that twenty percent and then after a decade they're told by
a judge you got no case here and furthermore you're gonna have to give this dude that you went after three
hundred thousand dollars to make up for his time is this a motive for murder yes
yeah we've seen and discussed people being killed for a whole lot less than this I've smacked a man for a double
cheeseburger now obviously don't anybody go falling off of their Lazy Boy recliner to email me and say well just
because Barry ends up dead doesn't mean they get the 20 we understand that we're
talking about people that could be very angry at feeling like they were cheated out of a lifetime's worth of wealth no
bear let's get this pretty clear Barry dies honey dies nobody's getting any extra money they're not getting anything
but like you said it this would be um we didn't get what we thought were due so now we're going to murder you now
and this is also coming now there's out of the four cousins there's only one that's really talking yeah and let's
focus in on him this is Carrie winter now Carrie winter has said some weird stuff about Barry he claims that at some
point Barry said to him hey you know some people take care of my wife I want her dead
right now he made these allegations to The Fifth Estate The Fifth Estate he was willing to take a polygraph he
took the polygraph and he failed now all they did was that all they asked him during this polygraph test was about
this allegation that Barry wanted Honey dead and so he so he fails the lie detector
then they wanted him to take a lie detector to see if he's responsible for the murder of Barry and honey and then
he refuses now now mind you his lawyers saying he just failed one polygraph test but we're
not going to have you take another one well and this comes about because he publicly says you know this is a
Canadian case can you say about route right no okay um I'm in Ohio uh this comes a bit you can listen to a
true crime show from Canada if you want um Ohio brother anyway the nighttime podcast here's the thing this comes
about because because Carrie says that look I believe this was a murder suicide I believe that Barry wanted his wife
dead and here's why because on at least two occasions this guy has asked me to put some scenario together where I have
his wife killed for him and when when you attack him and go okay well this seems a little fishy could you give
us some more information and he goes well I I remember these conversations happened at Barry's place of work
I remember that they happened sometime in the 90s I didn't tell my relatives about it at
the time but I did some maybe tell them sometime before the couple died I did tell a friend or
two at the time that he asked me to do this which which they confirm that those friends
do remember those conversations the other problem with this individual though is he was he was a drug addict
well not only that heroin a bunch of different things yeah he was in a Cocaine Anonymous program a 12-step
program now he he also the the bigger problem though is that he has said publicly that he he suspects one a lot
of people would have wanted to see Barry dead including himself that he said he had fantasized and spoke
to um psychiatrists about having fantasies of killing Barry that he wanted to decapitate him and roll his head down a
parking lot or down a driveway or something like that so here we have this very strange I can the only one the only way
I can describe this dude is as strange this guy is a he's a see you next Wednesday I look at him he makes no
sense to me what he makes no sense to me I don't know that he knows what's going
on or what words are coming out of his mouth because I actually find him somewhat intelligent he during his
interviews I mean I think he's a is a liar but I I think he there's definitely a brain in that head
yeah a sloshy brain is in that head he he seems to me I don't understand why this while this investigation is going
on that you come out and say look I fantasized about killing this dude and he hated he hated honey as well and
they just never questioned him from the beginning and he he fully admits on camera no alibi and also well no no no
no he he no he does he gives an alibi he says okay look when taken when when he was asked to go through the possible
days of the 13th and the 14th which is believed that they were killed on one of those two days this is as much of an
alibi as he provides he states that um he attended a 12-step program on the 13th claiming that he's been clean and
sober for six years now he said that after the 12-step program he went home and watched an episode of peaky blinders
on Netflix and he went to bed he said he most likely spoke to his girlfriend long
distance calling her from his home on that night the next day on Thursday he says he got up at 6 15 a.m showered
shaved and went off to his job he's a construction supervisor for six custom homes that are being built north of the
city he claims that on that day while he is at work he could quote absolutely I could not go AWOL all because we are in
regular contact through text email or sometimes phone calls there's no way between six in the morning on Thursday
and six in the evening on Thursday I I've got a full Alibi with many different trades seeing me in and out of
houses yeah but the problem here is Carrie is a weirdo and he told this to the Sun newspaper
the Toronto Sun that's a direct what I read was a direct quote from him to the Toronto Sun yes now let's play some
clips of him talking to The Fifth Estate and the first part of this clip just so
everybody knows what's going on remember he had said that Barry had asked him twice to kill his wife
and what you're going to hear at the start of this clip is Carrie's changing his story because he's
been hooked up to the polygraph the polygraph shows deception on Carrie's part when asked how many times were you
asked to kill Barry's wife honey how many you know were you in fact asked to kill honey and you hear him changing his
song and dance after that polygraph but I still believe it I don't know why in my head I believe he asked me twice
but is it possible you didn't ask me a second time yeah what percentage do you feel that you only asked you once what
would be the percentage pretty high like how close to 100 yeah yeah he only asked me once
there would have been not months or weeks it would have been within a few days okay he called it off within a few
days right as opposed to months and weeks yeah what would you say one second time okay I mentioned the second time
which is false right yes that's the only explanation I have that I could have embellished and said two
times in that she was getting close to being done and she was 20 hours away and that could have been an embellishment
because I honestly think there was this button ID and that she was 20 hours away
from going this button thing was very [ __ ] right looking back and I don't know if
that's true or not where I would have dreamed that up though why I would have dreamed it up maybe the direction
possibly or to make it a more drama-oriented Fiasco okay I'm completely baffled because I didn't
think this would happen you stay here I'm gonna get there [ __ ] failed man okay unbelievable
you know I probably had reasons to lash out to uh to do the dirty deed this would be asked of you by anybody
did you kill honey and Barry Sherman absolutely not I had nothing to do with it I don't know who did it I mean I had
opportunity I had motive I can see why the police might say this guy's also a [ __ ] nut like I would
talk about killing Barry and it was very graphic the way I was going to do it wouldn't have been belts it was going to
be in the Apple text parking lot that was my vision always that he'd come out of the building and appetex and I'd be
hiding behind a car and I just decapitated I wanted to roll his head down the parking lot and I just sit
there waiting for the police no alibi Wednesday night I went to my Cocaine Anonymous meeting I came home
as I usually do watch some Netflix eat some Doritos fall asleep Thursday night same thing went to work he very
easily for me to have left work anytime because I'm not on the clock I'm a site supervisor I can get in my car I can
take a three hour break during the day I could easily have driven over the colony and done the deep I admit to that
but I didn't I didn't and that's why I'm not nervous [Music] all right we're back and that was a
Kerry winner a real piece of work taking you for a bit of a roller coaster ride here
captain I don't think we need to spend a whole lot of time on Carrie Winter's character
I don't know that well I I don't want to say that he's like a horrible despicable
person um he he has these fantasies of killing Barry Sherman which he's very honest and
open about however he also feels like he's been extremely wronged by this man so I don't want to try to get in his
head and play games and figure that thing out but because he's all right he's already in his own head playing
games what where I have the biggest issue with this individual is he should be on a suspect list
I I don't know that he's the prime suspect I don't know that I think that he's even capable or sophisticated
enough to potentially have carried this out however and and to get away with it to this point however what I find very
strange is I'm giving you a direct quote from an article that was in the Toronto
Sun you are playing a clip of him saying almost the exact opposite when he is on
The Fifth Estate both of these situations that both interviews would have occurred six weeks after the deaths
of the Shermans so where I have a big problem is he also goes on in both of these interviews to say I've not talked
to the police yet I've not been questioned by detectives yet but however I I didn't do it so therefore I'm not
worried about talking to detectives that doesn't you know I'm not nervous about that in any way well and that at the end
of The Fifth Estate they do say that he was contacted by detectives um he's been questioned he is not a
suspect at this time right but again six weeks right how is he not on police okay we should question
these 100 people he was not on that first 100 list how hard is it and I and I hate to throw [ __ ] I'm a blue blood
guy every day every night but but what I have an issue with is I think this is a
big slip up on Toronto police department on their Police Service I think it's a huge slip up and what I mean by that is
it does not it takes one interview with one of the Sherman children one of the grown children to say you know what is
there anybody that would have wanted to see either of your parents dead especially Barry is there any War if
they would have contacted you know the Sherman's lawyers too and see out of these lawsuits is somebody a
threat and this this lawsuit it had it was done within September it's not like we're talking about years ago this
was months before they were killed or before this incident whatever you want to argue whether it's murder suicide or
whatever right this is a guy that seems to me like it see it's very strange that
this guy was not contacted and questioned within the first week of this going down or at least being one of the
first 10 or 20 people that they talked to I think that what happened yeah but I also think you have a situation where
you have a lot of you know you have a lot of nice houses in this area you have a lot of possibilities for surveillance
footage and that's going to be very important to get right away where you know if you have uh somebody
like carry on video camera in the neighborhood on Wednesday night well you know when you talk to them six weeks
later that's a pretty strong piece of evidence I agree with that but what I'm also getting at is it seems like very
delayed to me six weeks to talk to this guy who is willing to sit down with people and on camera say I dreamed of
killing that dude and not only and here's why and the reason why is public knowledge right the reason why is public
knowledge it wasn't hidden from anybody yeah but again a tough thing you know to
play Devil's Advocate and To Be A Champion uh for the law enforcement is the fact that you know it took them six
weeks to do the forensics of this mansion you know so that's a that's a lot of time spent you know
um at this house this property because it was so large right I I agree but nobody's going to
get me to change my mind that this guy should have been spoken to uh within the first week I understand it's a large
crime scene here's the other problem what I'm getting at Captain is I think that they honed in on this murder
suicide and I think there was probably things at the scene to suggest to them that that might be what they are looking
at right and what I'm getting at is one thing we've been critical of other departments we've been critical of
authors we've been critical of podcasters of ourselves of everyone about this is honing in on one Theory
too early too soon and stick into that and going you know what we're going to work this until it's until this lead is
dead until we can't trace it anymore and then we will start coming up with other
ideas afterward so what are some of these other theories some other possible theories regarding uh the death of the
Sherman so I I want to be clear here it is still up for debate that this was um a murder-suicide there's still people
out there presenting that side of the argument where I have where I take issue with
that and where a lot of other people take issue with that is there has been a lot of information that has come out to
suggest otherwise and some of that being the ligature marks that were believed to
be bindings on the risk of berry and honey Sherman it's believed there is one side of the argument that states that
these people their hands were bound and the bindings were removed after their death and removed from the crime scene
there's also strong argument to suggest that they weren't hanged you know that position that they were found in
where they're they they look to be hanging from the rails by their necks there's there's good evidence out there
to suggest that they were actually strangled before that and then tied up to the rails after death so
we could sit here and debate the murder suicide or double homicide thing all day
long I think that it's it it would be a waste of everyone's time I think that there is enough here
for me to suggest that this is a double homicide all right so let's just assume that it is a double homicide and then
what are the theories the three more popular ones are one that we've already kind of touched on that the family
either the family or someone in the family murdered the Shermans the next theory is an unknown unknown
and what what I why I title at this is because Barry Sherman was a very wealthy man and
by some accounts one of the wealthiest men in Canada and besides his pharmaceutical Empire he
had invested widely in in real estate hedge funds Etc right he had this investment um with
this boat have you heard about this nobody had an interesting beer investment as well we had this boat
called The Great Gatsby oh yeah I heard a little bit about that but the boat never existed yeah yeah so he I mean he
was spreading his money out and these are probably a lot of things that honey didn't even know about
well or or I mean does she care to know you know what I mean she's got her own Endeavors I mean
she's she's on more charitable boards than many charity boards than most people in that area that most people can
name this is a busy this is a busy woman anyway but what what I'm getting at with this
unknown unknown theory is that he had many many business part partners that that spread all across the land so
according to this Theory Barry Sherman may have in one of these side deals have found himself in a partnership with one
or more unsavory characters let's say and so if maybe a project suddenly collapsed perhaps he was to blame or he
was blaming others uh some of these partners and somebody wanted to cutting somebody out of a deal right and
somebody wanted Revenge uh in this situation I actually think that this scenario is entirely plausible
um the problem here for investigators I think that it creates a wide net it creates a huge let's say Minefield of
people to kind of sort through and sort out lots of paperwork lots of business dealings lots of different potential
Partners right and I think that you have to hone in look some people think that that maybe that honey was just you know
the innocent bystander right and and and I really feel like that if they just wanted to kill Barry they
could have done so and just like his cousin is saying hey I was going to kill him right outside his office well I
think that's where most people probably could kill this individ vigil that spent
a lot of time alone at his place of business so to me there there's a connection
there there were both murdered for a reason you see what I mean the other thought would be that somebody
in big Pharma uh took him out um you know and we know that he built a substantial Fortune uh for himself a lot
of this like you had talked about reverse engineering patented drugs and going to Market with cheaper generic
versions of these drugs so the precise number would be unknown but how many people how many companies
did this disrupt over the course of four decades I mean it's almost it's siphoning billions tens of billions of
dollars from other companies from balance sheets from uh you know these affect stock prices they affect people's
jobs executive bonuses bottom lines it's endless right the the tough thing here for me is that the fact that he was kind
of backing away from the business and you'd think that if they wanted to take them out they would also want to you
know if we take him out that it takes down his company too well that's that's possible the the reason why I do like
this big Pharma Theory as well as the last one for similar reasons okay one the motive would be obvious
and the other being that if this was a professional hit if this was a higher deal
clearly they have the financial means to organize such a professional hit and yeah I'm sure there's some people out
there going oh yeah big Pharma so you know put a hit out on this doctor this has been uh there's been a bunch of
doctors that have ended up dead but those are the three main theories uh what are some more of the far-fetched
ones well the far-fetched ones in in my opinion I think you share the same opinion is uh one the mob two Mossad
agents and three the clintons and I mean it's always the clintons if Clinton's are responsible for everything if you go
to state killer Clinton did you want to go down any of those roads I I looked into all three of them very briefly and
very quickly was able to dismiss them I found them to be much less likely than the three that we've already discussed
well I think the Clinton one is it's it's this very far-fetched there was some donations to the Clinton Foundation
there's a bunch of donations with a bunch of Barry Sherman was given money to a lot of different foundations
um so I but that idea that was he lobbying you know for his company and was that a reason why he he ended up
dead that's a possibility that's more likely to me than the Clinton Foundation right right yeah I actually I don't find
any of these three um to be credible at all I think the the place that I found that was pumping the
Mossad agents the most was the National Enquirer and I their claims are that there were fingerprints found at the
scene to suggest that these professionals came in from possibly overseas and committed this hit
and then left um I find it awfully strange that these professional Hitmen would come in
and leave fingerprints at the scene it just makes no it makes no sense it sounds like they forgot their gloves
before they got on the plane to to come over here well it like I said it makes it makes no
sense what I think happened here is exactly what you touched upon earlier I think when you look at the
y plus how equals who I think the Y here is why was Honey Sherman killed because
like you said it would have been the the list of enemies that Barry Sherman had is endless that's why we could sit here
and we could talk about possibilities and theories and speculations on this case for 10 more episodes if you like
you can send us an email truecrimegarage.com if you would like for that to happen the thing here though
Captain is I find it strange that while Barry had all these enemies yet honey is
killed as well she's an unnecessary uh almost Collateral Damage I guess is what I'm saying it's unnecessary to kill
her if he is your enemy and right but some people are just evil evil [ __ ] stains right and they're like well I'll
just kill her too so that is a possibility but I do believe that she the the whatever I think this is a
Revenge killing somehow yeah that's what I'm getting at and and like they've said
and that's what law enforcement said a million times that the type the way they were choked the way they were strangled
this is like up close and personal attack so yeah I I think that she was killed for a reason I think that
somebody wanted Revenge not just on Barry but they wanted revenge on honey as well now does that have to be a
family member no could it be big Pharma yes could it be an unknown unknown yes could it be the family yes I think that
there was a reason why they both were killed and I think that I think that it was actually a very calculated attack
you know we talked about the possibility of bindings being used in the removed well I think what I'm seeing here is
that when the police walk into the scene they think that this is a murder-suicide
because they have no evidence of anybody being in the house or removing anything
from the house right but it's a yeah staged that way there was there was yeah but there's nothing in the home that
they find that doesn't belong there right and there's nothing missing from the home and so that's what makes it
seem so sophisticated that's what I think it is sophisticated yeah I think that what happened was I I think she was
attacked out front to gain access to the home to wait for Barry to arrive they would have known that this might be
typical typical behavior of these two by watching them for any period of time they kill both of them like you said up
close and personal strangled with belts and then hung around those rails now the
question was were they both Barry's belts one of them is confirmed or at least believed to be Barry's belt right
I believe they were both Barry's belts and the reason being is I go back to the fact that I think that nothing was
removed from the crime scene and nothing was left at the crime scene which it adds to the sophistication and I think
that you you they strangled these poor people that were 75 and 70 years old were not able to defend themselves
obviously didn't deserve any of this and then they hang them from the railing there buying time screwing with the
police's investigation maybe staging the scene to give them the impression that this might have been a murder-suicide
buying enough time to get out of Dodge I think I I think the Toronto police department is very capable of solving
this I think that somewhere along the line the the private investigators hired by the family this will be solved and
I'll tell you why the family has enough money to pay private investigators and pay lawyers for many years to come to
unlock the truth somewhere along the line there's a connection to why somebody wanted them both dead there's a
piece of paper there's a dealing somewhere that's going to be discovered and the the private investigators are
not going to be able to work that lead or that angle to the completion of someone's arrest what they will do then
is hand it over to Toronto police and they will get involved and they will find the people that did this and they
will trace it back to whoever hired them to do this I think there are multiple people probably involved in this whole
thing and here's where I have a big problem I I you know me well no this is where I have
a problem with the Toronto police department yeah you're really just harping on them today yeah yeah I'm
going to so if you're listening up there Toronto guys about to school you yeah they already turned it off I'm about to
last time you talked [ __ ] about him I'm about to school you here okay okay because in the beginning when you came
out and you said there's no signs of forced entry uh we are not seeking any suspects at this
time look I get that you you were trying to be professional I get that here's what you should have said what you
should have said is look we don't have any answers for you at this time we have a lot of evidence that
we are sifting through and we will have we will have answers for the media and for the family very soon there will be a
result and a conclusion after we have poured through the evidence and why is that your statement to the
public because look these guys that got away that that took everything with them that they walked in
the house with let them think that they left something at the scene let them squirm let them think that they left
something at the scene let them tear their hair out trying to figure out what they left at the scene and all you have
to say is we have a lot of evidence to sift through and we will have answers for you when you when you say that
there's no signs of fourth century when you say that we are seeking no suspects that to me shows guys showing up and
going we don't really know what we're looking at here we don't want the public to panic so we're going to say uh make
it make them understand that we're not we're not actively seeking anybody right what's the worst case scenario even if
you think that these people were targeted or if you think that it was a murder suicide worst case scenario the
people in the area they stay on high alert for a few days they watch their backs they lock their doors they love
their hug and love their children and wives and keep them safe that's the worst that could happen
the other thing is these criminals could have made mistakes had they believed that they left
something behind they could have made mistakes later after the fact I think that I think that Toronto police blew an
opportunity here to to one I think it would have been advantageous for them to present it that
way to the media and then on top of that guess what somebody somebody on their team I don't
know what level it was somebody somewhere had a cup of coffee with somebody had a beer with somebody sat
down to breakfast with somebody and told them we think we're looking at a murder
suicide because her face was all busted up and his wasn't so you had the time to come you had the
time to leak that and that's not the whole Department's fault that's one individual's fault I guess captain this
is a long-winded version long-winded way of me saying you're a amped up man I don't know exactly who did this and I
I think though that there's going to be a paper trail to to someone that's responsible for this at some point
whether it be the person that hired the hit or the one that performed the hit I think it's likely performed by more than
one person it could even be hired by more than one person I think that somebody in one of those three groups
that we discussed big Pharma the unknown unknown or the family had something to do with it yeah because I I think
sometimes law enforcement is thrown off by when they go well this is a personal way to attack somebody well you can hire
somebody to attack somebody in a personal way I want you to kill them this way I think whoever wanted them
dead wanted them to know why they were dying foreign [Music] this week we got some recommended
viewing for you one can only read so many books in a lifetime we were recommending everybody check out the
Evil Genius on Netflix it's a four-part series it's based on the pizza bomber or
collar bomber case whatever you want to call it out of Erie Pennsylvania strange
story here it won't go too much into the case itself but the four part series is
very well done we were planning to cover this case at some point we had it on our
short list and it was going to be the topic of one of our meetings captain and before we could make it onto the actual
list to be covered I got I saw some information that Netflix was releasing this it came out a
couple weeks afterwards watched it they did such a good job on it I encourage everybody else to watch it out there if
you still want us to cover it let us know and we'll consider it but I think Netflix did a good job and it's called
Evil Genius and I won't be watching it yet because I have a hard time watching anything about pizza so until next week
be good be kind and don't litter thank you foreign [Applause] [Music]

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Barry and Honey Sherman were one of the wealthiest couples in Canada. Barry had founded a large pharmaceutical business in his younger years that was wildly successful. With the success came many friends and enemies. In December of 2017 both Barry and Honey were found dead in their mansion. It’s very likely that the two were dead for more than 24 hours before the discovery of their bodies. Early indicators suggest strongly that the Toronto Police Service suspected a murder/suicide. That Barry had killed his wife and them himself. As the Investigation continued we would find that there are reasons to suspect that the rich couple were murdered in their home. This week we venture back to Canada and see if we can shed some light on the unfolding story of the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. Beer of the Week - Cult Classic by Goose Island Brew HouseGarage Grade - 3 and 1/2 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode investigates the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman, exploring family disputes and potential business motives behind their deaths.

Key points

The Mysterious Deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman. Exploring the untimely deaths of a wealthy couple in Toronto.
The Lock Box Speculation. Discussion about the potential role of a lock box in the investigation.
The Lawsuit and Family Tensions. Examining the lawsuit involving Barry Sherman and his family.
Allegations of Murder. A cousin claims Barry wanted his wife dead, raising eyebrows.
A Strange Character. The speaker describes a peculiar individual involved in the case, noting his odd behavior and intelligence.
A Chilling Admission. A key figure admits to fantasizing about murder, raising eyebrows and questions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

What if the lock box was involved?

Speculation about the lock box in the investigation.

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Tension

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