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talk some true crime foreign [Music] a real estate agent gets a call from a potential buyer the young ambitious real
estate agent receives the type of call that all Realtors dream of a motivated buyer wants to purchase a
home and has a large budget the buyer wants to find a place fast but things that seem too good to be true
are usually just that the agent met with some mysterious clients to show them a beautiful home that met
their specifications but once inside the agent was brutally and viciously killed
her attackers fled Into the Night who would want to kill this pretty and vivacious young professional
and why would they set up a sham real estate deal to get to her and probably the most important thing to ask is why
would anyone want her dead with this crime it appears that motive may be the fastest road to finding the
Killer this week we will be discussing the true story of the unsolved murder of Lindsey busiak
the investigation into her killing has been almost lost in the sheer volume of misinformation out there surrounding
this case it is rare to find a case that is so cluttered with false facts unfounded
rumors baseless allegations and downright contradictory evidence what you will hear this week is not what
you will hear elsewhere we will discuss the actual concrete facts as stated by police investigators
and sources close to the investigation all of the other stuff the rumors and unsubstantiated innuendo
we will get into that when necessary if you've heard of the case of Lindsay busiak or even if you have not
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the case of Lindsey buziak foreign [Music] Victoria is the capital city of British
Columbia the Canadian province located on the southernmost tip of Vancouver Island this is close proximity to
Seattle on the U.S side of the border and to the large Canadian city of Vancouver across the water Victoria has
a large population of over 350 000 in its greater metro area but it feels smaller and more intimate
than its numbers suggest most people are connected somehow and no or are acquainted with many other locals in
other words everyone pretty much knows each other or knows of one another on February 2nd 2008
a 24 year old realtor named Lindsey busiak was scheduled to show a house to some potential clients Lindsay was new
to the business she started about a year before and at this time she had not sold
that many homes yet but she loved the job and she was enthusiastic about her future in the
residential housing business Lindsay was a very outgoing young woman who was energetic and ambitious and she
had a lot of friends she also had a sister named Sarah with whom she was very close and she was
also close with her mother Evelyn who lived in the area and she had a good relationship with her father Jeff
Lindsay's parents were divorced and lived hundreds of miles apart Lindsay mentioned to some colleagues and friends
that she was excited because she had been contacted by some very motivated potential new clients this has been
backed up in interviews with her close Circle Lindsay received a call on Friday February 1st the call was from a woman
and from Lindsay's notes in her day planner and from what friends and colleagues have related we can piece
together the conversations she had with this female client the woman caller spoke in a thick accent that Lindsay
could not specifically identify but which led her to nickname the woman and her husband the Mexicans and her cell
phone this woman called Lindsay out of the blue she said that she and her husband
were coming to the area for three days to look at houses they were beneficiaries of a corporate
relocation package and they had to find a house very quickly she specified that they saw a new three-bedroom three-bath
home which was move-in ready 15 to 20 minutes from downtown with a large master bedroom and a separate
space for a housekeeper what truly perked Lindsay's ears the woman said they could spend up to one million
dollars on a home now Lindsay did not receive this call on her business phone line at the Re Max
office that she worked out of she received this call on her personal cell phone her cell number was available
posted publicly on some of her listings Lindsay was a lesser-known junior agent so she did find it strange that the
woman contacted her so Lindsay asked the woman how she got her information the woman told her she was referred to her
by a former client of Lindsay's she told Lindsay this person's name and it has been reported that Lindsay called
the former client but that lady was traveling and could not be reached in any event this one million dollar deal
would be very big for a junior agent and Lindsay jumped at the chance to find homes that would meet the client's
requirements over the next 24 hours there were six calls back and forth between Lindsay and
the clients of course we do not know what was actually said during those calls we do know that the couple and
Lindsay made an appointment to see a specific house one that was listed by some other Re Max agents likely known to
Lindsay the appointment was set for 5 30 on Saturday February 2nd to see the home
at 1702 de Souza place in Saanich this is an upscale suburb of Victoria there are reports that they scheduled showings
at five different homes and 1702 de Souza was to be the first of these appointments now some Reports say that
in one of the calls the female client told Lindsay that she would be attending the showing alone as her husband was Ill
there are other reports that say that it was the opposite that Lindsay was told only the husband would attend the fact
is we don't know for sure as only Lindsay and the clients know the content of those conversations now the house on
De Sosa place was a new build that was sitting on the market for close to a year the asking price was 900 and sixty
four thousand dollars it was situated on a new subdivision on a cul-de-sac named for the developer of
the new Street John desosa his company owned the 1702 property he reportedly was present on a building
site nearby on that day and wrapped things up by 5 PM and left for the day as did the construction workers building
another house on the street the cul-de-sac was located off of a residential Road this is torque Drive
which was aligned with houses now we're going to have two eyewitnesses from the neighborhood that night
and what these two witnesses reported seeing was a young dark-haired woman presumably to be Lindsay greeting and
shaking hands with two other adults outside of the De Sosa Place property that evening yeah one male and one
female so one witness was driving by in a vehicle he confirmed seeing three people the other witness was a little
more detailed this was a woman walking her dog she was able to provide police with a description of the couple that
Lindsay was talking to this was a man and a woman it appeared to her that the couple did not know the young brunette
did not know Lindsay she also reported a car parked in the driveway so note here
we have one vehicle three people this car that was parked in the driveway was later confirmed to be Lindsay's vehicle
after shaking hands the three then walked toward the home the lock box to the De Sosa place address was accessed
at 5 29 pm this would be when Lindsay used the key in the lock box to enter the home with
the clients so no car other than Lindsay's was parked in the cul-de-sac or in the
driveway of the home according to these two witnesses at 5 45 PM Lindsay's boyfriend Jason
zalo he's a mortgage broker and a realtor at the same company as Lindsay he pulled up outside of the home
Jason was accompanied by a friend named Cohen Oatman Cohen worked with Jason and
the two were on a hockey team together and they actually had a game later that evening
Jason was exchanging text with Lindsay prior to his arrival but Jason not being able to reach his girlfriend eventually
went up to the front door of the home and tried the handle the door was locked Jason recognized that during a showing
the door should not be locked further he saw Lindsay's shoes black heels lying on the floor in the entryway
which isn't that uncommon because a lot of times when they have showings they make you remove your shoes this was a
bit he found it to be strange but only in combination with his inability to reach her so right you got to factor in
all these things he sees the shoes in the entryway the door is locked which he found odd plus she is aware that he is
going to meet her at this property and she's not responding to any of his tests and also
he's meeting her there because she feels odd about the meeting in general she feels a little suspicious of these two
individuals so she kind of asked him to be there something doesn't feel right to
her I mean that she's keep on getting a Million Dollar Listing call with being such a young agent
and then on top of that the accent doesn't make sense to her and then again on top of that now one of them is going
to be sick and so they're just going to show up as one person instead of a couple well let's go through what he
found because there is a good reason for debate on his motivation for meeting her at that
property that night so once he is kind of set on alarm here right the door's locked he's unable to reach her he is
then going to interrupt the showing and this is he rang the doorbell he knocked repeatedly when no one answered he
called 9-1-1 at 605 PM requesting police to do a welfare check on the property now not satisfied with waiting for the
cops Jason and Cohen circled the house and noted that the French doors facing the fenced patio on torque drive on that
side they were open so Cohen got over the fence and this has been reported two ways
some Reports say that Jason boosted Cohen over the fence others say that there was a gap in the fence where some
boards were missing and Cohen slipped through there while Jason was on the phone with 9-1-1 now Cohen entered the
home through the French doors that were already open he walked inside passing through the downstairs to the front door
unlocking it to let Jason inside then a second 9-1-1 call came in at 6 11 pm this time from inside the house at
1702 De Sosa the caller Jason reported finding Lindsay on her back lying on the floor in the corner of the master
bedroom seemingly dead and lots of blood in the room there was no one else in the
house and they had not seen anyone leave the police arrived and Jason and Cohen were taken to the police station for
questioning Lindsay was beyond help the CBC reported that she died of multiple stab wounds they have never confirmed
the extent of the injuries they are keeping this information to themselves the scene was secured crime scene tape
was put up around the house crime scene texts began processing the home and the detectives combed through the home and
canvassed the neighborhood so police have not officially confirmed that the 9-1-1 caller was Jason or Cohen
and they have not even officially confirmed that it was they who found Lindsay remember they're keeping a lot
of this stuff to themselves but we know this because Jason has given some interviews notably to Dateline and
participated in a police reenactment of what happened when he entered the home through the front door
Saanich police Sergeant Chris Horsley has also given interviews relaying Jason's movements as he arrived at the
house and found Lindsay so let's get into what we know about Lindsay's movements that day the text
between Jason and Lindsay and what was found at the murder scene so Lindsay and Jason were living
together they had ate lunch that day at a restaurant called sauce they paid the bill there at 4 24 pm and they left in
separate vehicles we aren't certain where Lindsay went directly after this lunch but some reports state that she
told Jason that she was going home to change her clothes before her meeting Jason left to go meet Cohen and the two
went to an auto shop called shc where Jason was doing a mortgage deal the two were seen on surveillance camera
outside of shc at 5 30 PM this is them getting into Jason's Range Rover now around this time Jason texted
Lindsay saying I'll come meet you and I'll be 10 to 15 minutes or so Lindsay responded okay I'll see you in a
bit I gotta go the Mexicans are here let's be clear we don't know if these individuals are in fact Mexican right
this is simply a nickname right that Lindsay gave to these potential clients I find this all very strange for a
multitude of reasons one we can see online her daily planner where she took notes from the call that she received
from the woman with the thick accent that Lindsay could not identify right what I find weird here is it doesn't
seem to indicate well not that it doesn't seem it does not indicate in her notes the name of these potential
clients right and then on top of that in her cell phone she nickname nicknames them the Mexicans this based off of what
she said was a weird accent right I also I think it wasn't just that it was weird
that it came off phony to her so at 5 38 PM Jason texted Lindsay's phone again this time saying just a
couple of minutes away this text was never read on Lindsay's end at 5 41 PM Lindsay's Blackberry made a
call to a contact in her phone this is to a friend that Lindsay had not spoken to in quite some time the friend can
hear some things but it is muffled and jumbled and there's really nothing clearly audible to the friend
police believe that this call was a butt dial that somehow during the attack a button on Lindsay's Blackberry was
pressed and the call went out as she was being attacked Sergeant Horsley said quote so we
believe that was actually at the point of attack when the couple attacked Lindsay somehow it hit buttons on the
BlackBerry and it sent out a phone call end quote the Blackberry was found in Lindsay's pocket after she was killed as
said the autopsy findings in Lindsay's case have never been released we know that she was stabbed to death a press
conference held by the Saanich police confirmed that Lindsay died from quote multiple stab wounds
but police have never explained or expanded on this information right the the rumor is what over 40 stab
wounds oh man okay let's get into some of these rumors and just a real quick disclaimer this is going to be one of
the more brutal parts of of this case but keep in mind these are not facts these are what what I'm calling
calculation I'm calling these internet facts where they're they're really just rumor okay so ones that I found was that
she was stabbed 54 times in the chest and head one stating that she was stabbed 40 times and then one that as
you mentioned stabbed over 40 times [Music] she was stabbed where her new breast
implants yeah which Lindsay had a recently got breast enhancements and and those were mutilated they said right so
yeah to further that rumor people say that they were deliberately or intentionally mutilated
and then we have the other statement of that she was nearly decapitated again to be perfectly clear these are
just rumors there has never been any official confirmation of the extent of her injuries or the number of times she
was stabbed or the bodily areas where she was stabbed there's many many cases that the person dies from knife injuries
that you'll hear rumors of almost decapitated yes so we have a source that is close to the
investigation and this is author Gary Rogers whom we were able to talk to well covering this case he's working on a
book about the case now Gary says that he was privy to the autopsy report and he did share some of this information
with us and this is information I have not heard elsewhere he says Lindsay was the victim of
between 10 to 15 stab wounds to be clear and to credit Gary Rogers he's being somewhat vague on that number
because we're not going to compromise the investigation that that has not been released to the public
now this quote from Sergeant Horsley provides some more information stating when they went upstairs there's a master
bedroom and an in-suite bathroom we know meaning law enforcement that when Lindsay turned to show the ensuite
bathroom she was then attacked from the rear there's no defensive wounds whatsoever we don't believe she had any
pre-indication that something was amiss Gary tells us that Lindsay was in fact attacked from behind almost certainly
with a large knife and incapacitated by severing her central nervous system this
means her spinal cord was severed by the knife she was then rolled over and stabbed in the chest area and down to
her abdomen judging by this information it seems to me that whoever did this wanted to be 100 percent certain that
she was dead now no weapon was found at the scene Lindsay was found on the floor of the
master bedroom near the bathroom her body fell so that it would have been visible to someone coming up the stairs
and glancing into the master bedroom so the injuries to the spine they think were done purposefully
that the person knew what they were doing possibly that that's certainly a possibility
or it could also it could also be just happenstance but what I think we can point out and say for certain given this
information is she was in fact attacked from behind did not know that she was about to be attacked because there was
no defensive wounds and I really think that there's there's multiple areas that you could have hit
with that first strike that would have left her incapacitated Lindsay was found lying on her back
there was Zero evidence of sexual assault Lindsay's wallet purse cell phone and jewelry were all found at the
scene undisturbed Lindsay's business suit soaked up much of the blood although there was still plenty left at
the scene how much blood would have been on the killers is anyone's guess foreign
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really and unfortunately makes a lot of sense right it's a knife was used in this
murder now unlike a gun this is going to leave little forensic evidence behind it's going to make no noise and does not
require a permit so less of a trail here right Canada has much stricter gun laws than the United
States and a knife would just simply be easier quieter and leave no Trail but the other thing that we can figure
out too is that this knife was brought to the house by The Killers and taken away yeah and given our source he says
it was a rather large knife so if in fact this was a large knife you do have to wonder how it was concealed
and I'm also guessing that the attack taking place upstairs rather than downstairs on the ground level
this was also deliberate so one you would be leaving the body left away from prying eyes the upstairs
in compared to in comparison to the ground level where anybody could just walk up and look through a window right
the other thing too is if the attack does not go as planned then there's a longer Escape Route for
Lindsay to get away from her attackers and again it just seems to be deliberate you know they knew that they were going
to be shown the house so let's wait until she takes us upstairs or let's suggest hey can we see the upstairs and
then when her back is turned the attack went down now Jason and Cohen as we said were
actually taken to into police custody yeah there were actually I believe handcuffed and taken into custody so
this is obviously for several different reasons right they found the body and there at the scene of the murder scene
now Jason probably had blood on him we do know that he attempted CPR this is in spite of him saying that he could tell
that Lindsay was dead now Jason's a pretty big man I think he's like six two six three two thirty two forty yeah yeah
and he was uh I believe an amateur hockey player or Semi-Pro yeah something something of that nature is there a
difference well I think you're you're partially professional much like your your conduct on this show
yeah um so he tells police that he arrived at the house around 5 45 p.m now I want
everybody to really pay attention here because we're not just we're not going back through stuff that we've already
discussed we're going to go into more detail about what his movements were that night in that day right so he says
he arrived around around 5 45 p.m at the house that she was showing he and Cohen
stayed in the car they parked in the cul-de-sac and they were watching the house well let's back
up he was running a little bit later than he would told Linds he would be but that's because when they left the car
dealership that they actually had to call to get directions uh they weren't really
familiar with how to get to that house there's some people out there that are saying hey we're missing something a big
part of this case which is hey Jason may or may not have seen The Killers When he
pulled up near the property I just want to so we can all get a clear understanding of what maybe going on
that we go through these items one at a time so they are part Jason and Cohen are
parked in the cul-de-sac and they are watching the house he says they arrived at 5 45 PM then at
5 55 pm he texts Lindsay saying are you okay but receives no response Jason then moved the car to an actual
parking spot on Torquay drive and he says he got out and he went up and looked through the front door glass
this is when he saw Lindsay's shoes he became concerned and made some calls these calls were him trying to gain
access to the home remember the door is locked at this time yeah and this is in fact backed up by cell phone records
when this didn't work when he couldn't gain access to the house this is when Jason made the first 9-1-1
call at 605 pm now crime scene investigators tracking fingerprints and Footprints they have
verified Jason and Cohen's stories about their travel into and throughout the house
the home had been thoroughly cleaned the morning before the showing and was empty
nobody was living in this house right so it was very easy for them to establish what took place or to verify that their
stories were in fact correct well let's stay on that for one one second because the house was basically empty as ready
to be shown and this is one of the reasons why they start rolling out the idea of a robbery because all of
Lindsay's belongings are still there and then there's obviously nothing to be taken in the house
again you gotta question the motivation right right and the while we're talking about evidence the only DNA that was
recovered from the house is was Lindsay's Jason and Cohen were released after this
initial questioning and Jason did obtain a lawyer now with his lawyer's assistance Jason cooperated with police
in performing the reenactment walkthrough of his actions when he entered the front door of the home he
says immediately he ran up the stairs calling for Lindsay and this has caused a lot of people to be suspicious of
Jason why is that so after this video and after the interview with Jason was aired on Dateline in 2010 people were
wondering how they're pointing out and thinking that he may have known in advance prior to
walking through the front door that Lindsay would be found upstairs here's the thing we gotta if you're
going to make that leap let's also keep some other possible leaps in mind as well right
you have to wonder it's possible since Cohen already ran through the downstairs to get to the front door that Jason may
have just anticipated that Lindsay was not on that ground level floor and we also have the police statements of her
body could be easily seen from somebody who was going up the stairs and looking in the direction of the master bedroom
well now in his own words it took him he said maybe two seconds from the time he
opened the door to get up the steps yeah and he knows that his friend by this time had already run through the
back door through the French doors all the way through to the front door yeah I but I could see why they're suspicious
of that I think that's something as far as investigators uh that they want to question and you kind of see them do
that during this reenactment or this walk through so one thing that I really want to dive
into right here before we get to all this other stuff with Jason is the whole reason for him being at the
property that she was showing in the first place all right this is where I'm going to try to really start to cut
through some of the crap that's out there and try to present what I believe is to be real okay so this is another
reason why people are suspicious of Jason and this stems from one narrative that has really taken over this case the
story is Lindsay was nervous about the showing and the prospect of meeting strangers whose accents she was was not
familiar with and that she in fact asked Jason to attend this showing for her protection
on February 4th this is two days after the murder CBC reported that Lindsay's colleagues
said that she had quote a bad feeling about the cell phone calls right CTV News attributes this quote to her friend
Vicki Mackey this is a story repeated by Lindsay's father Jeff but there is evidence that
this story in fact is incorrect or at the very least extremely exaggerated okay so for one thing Lindsay was a
smart ambitious professional young woman she knew that part of her realtor's job
involved showing properties to people right often people she's never met before Jason for his part he told police that
he arranged to meet Lindsay at 1702 De Sosa place because he was the listing agent on the shc property now remember
this is the property that he left with Cohen to go over to De Sosa place right the reason why he was going to meet
Lindsay there in Jason's words was not for her protection he was just stopping by there
to pick up some paperwork this was just going to be a quick stop talk with her briefly grab some paperwork
Lindsay the reason for this is Lindsay was representing a buyer a potential buyer who made an offer on the shc
property that Jason was the listing agent for okay so the shc owner made a counteroffer and Jason wanted to get
that to Lindsay to submit it to her client ASAP anybody that's in the real estate
business anybody that's in sales will tell you if you got if you got talks going on back and forth and you think
that you're going to be able to get a deal done you get that deal done right you don't you don't give somebody time
to talk themselves out of purchasing well it depends on if you're a professional or if you're
semi-professional so it seems like Jason would have had a different reason for being at the house
and this in fact does change a lot of what one could think or be suspicious of changes it drastically because my first
question in all this is if you're there to protect your girlfriend or even your friend or whatever you're a real estate
agent it's not that these are people who these are people people right they want
to they wouldn't feel uncomfortable pulling up in the driveway they wouldn't feel in uh uncomfortable interrupting
the showing because it's as simple as hey I work with Lindsay I am here um if you guys need me what a great
property it's you know or I'm here as part of the showing they don't need to know why you're part of the showing
exactly and if you are in fact there for her protection then you are there for part of the showing right and so why
Park and you're you're six three 240 pounds a hockey this this guy doesn't have a problem if
if there's going to be a fight so again the the story The Narrative has been she
felt uncomfortable Jason is going to go there you know for her protection again it doesn't make a lot of sense and that
makes you really question Jason but then when Jason says well no that's not why I
was going there I had to give her paperwork well if you're just giving somebody paperwork
you're not going to be that concerned that you're running a little bit late you're not going to be that concerned on
yeah because you're technically not late right right if you were there for the showing if he were to be there to be
part of the showing he would have been late however what he's stating is I'm there to have a quick meeting with
Lindsay regarding this property that I have the seller she has the potential buyer we have to do some quick paperwork
so in fact he is actually there for another purpose which is going to take place after the showing so he's not even
he's not late he's not part of the showing and therefore like you said if he was there for
protection he would have been late and you would have anticipated he parked the car and go into the house and say hey
sorry I'm late I was supposed to surprise for the show here yeah yeah I mean you'd think again yeah I I back up
all that stuff I I think of but then it becomes it's convoluted which story is correct
because what's weird too is they a little bit of both can be correct at the same time she
could have felt weirded out by this girl that she thinks has given put in on a fake accent that's a little strange but
you got a Million Dollar Listing so maybe you mentioned that to your father that seems a little strange kind of a
little weirded out by it but we'll see what happens and even if she mentions that to a friend okay maybe that's just
some conversation if that conversation didn't happen with Jason and if his reason for being there
wasn't for protection then his story makes sense so I'm not going to throw the father under the bus or the friend
under the bus to say that she didn't say those things but that didn't that doesn't mean that she went the extra
step to say hey Jason I want you to be there at a certain time and and to be here at the showing with me
the other thing too you know the Saanich police they spoke to all parties around
this case her colleagues her friends and their official statement on this is that they say while Lindsay felt the
showing was unusual because she was not the listing agent she wasn't apprehensive about it right now let's go
over that a little bit because the way this story kind of reads is that they were just like hey we're just looking
for a house I believe this first house the the murder scene house was one that they actually picked out
does that make sense when when the quote unquote Mexicans called her this well that's a that again that's why
I was quick to point out that other than Lindsay's notes and some conversations that she had with colleagues and such
we don't know exactly what was discussed on those phone calls right and that has been
something that's been hotly debated too how did they end up at this property right was it at the client's suggestion
was it at Lindsay's suggestion or was it somebody else well again I'm gonna go back to what I heard the logical thing
is at some point Lindsay was telling her friend or her father that she thought it
was a little strange that they called her and not the listing agent of that house
so to me that is that's she's gone well why are you calling me when you could have called the listing agent of that
house so to me they knew about that house to me that house was they brought that
house into the equation so I saw her notes from the initial phone call yeah there's no address
that she wrote down in her notes and so what that leads me to believe I'm not saying that I'm right I don't I'm not
going to pretend that I know but what that would lead me to believe is that that property was not discussed during
that phone call and was not brought up by the clients well it could have been as simple as
that she just Googled it and left it up and didn't put it in our notes but I I see
uh your logic because she wrote down like what they what they were looking for yeah she wrote down three bedroom
three bath space for a housekeeper separate living area for housekeeper large master bedroom I'm just saying
that the idea General distance from downtown right I'm just saying the idea that this rumor is out there that she's
saying hey it's kind of weird that they called me and not the listing agent of this house the fact that that kind of
rumor of that conversation is out there leads me to believe that the Mexicans knew about this property which would
make some sense too though because we know that they're not trying to buy a house we know we now know that they were
they were leading her somewhere and they were going to murder her and so why wouldn't you want to pick the location
well not only that why wouldn't you want to pick a vacant house you know like where I said nobody lives in I believe
the attack going down upstairs is deliberate that's that's for the purpose of them not finding her body
as quickly right which would make me somebody lived there then you're like they have to return home at some point
right but again her conversation about why would they call me when there's a listing agent well that was the that was
the police's statement right right we don't know that she actually said those words but what I'm saying is again then
it go another logical step is if you're the one planning this murder playing this attack why wouldn't you want to
know everything about the property so you're the one that found the property Jason in the Public's eye is I mean the
only way to look at this Captain would be to say that in the Public's eye he's likely the number one suspect according
to the internet and there is concern because of two variations of the story that he told to police about something
he saw that night this is something we touched on earlier but we have not gotten into yet okay so on Dateline on
the Dateline episode about this case Jason told sleepy Josh mankiewicz that he saw two shadow shadowy figures
through the frosted glass of the front door he assumed Jason assumed that they were the couple that Lindsay was meeting
but on True Crime daily Sergeant Chris Horsley said that Jason saw the killers from his car as the front door of the
house opened saying quote the killers were actually about to walk out the front door and leave he turned into the
cul-de-sac and interrupted them leaving if he meaning Jason had been five seconds later he would have driven right
into the suspects walking out of the house into the driveway right it's believed that he got a pretty clear look
at the mail but not so much the female so according to the sergeant Jason told police that the couple turned
around and closed the door and that he actually saw them or as you said at least the man
and Horsley goes on to say quote and his assumption is these are the clients and
the showing is just starting as the door closes quote he then Parks outside because he
is waiting for the showing to end but the showing didn't end Lindsay never emerged from the home and eventually
Jason called 9-1-1 so let's let's dive into this real quick here according to Sergeant Horsley
Jason interrupts these two leaving but Jason doesn't know that Lindsay has been attacked at this point he actually
thinks that they just turn around and that they're walking into the home and the showing is about to begin and that's
why he kind of just sits there and chills for a minute but then when he doesn't hear back from
Lindsay and when Lindsay and nobody else leaves the home then he's starting to question what's going on
Okay so here's a big problem with these two stories one what was said on Dateline
and what was said by the sergeant on on True Crime daily this looks like it's two different stories
right yeah so the Dateline episode made made it appear that Jason only saw people through the
glass of the front door when he actually said he could see two people through the
glass only after they went back inside the house upon seeing his car so this is this is one of those weird
situations where it's not two variations of of a story he's not telling two different stories it's just different
portions of the same story it's just people reporting the story differently right so the Dateline episode made Jason
come across as telling two different stories now the Saanich police and this is one thing that I think is
Keith Morrison on that episode um did he go aha well I know that why would Jason be telling us he was talking
differently to Sleepy Josh mankowitz I like Josh a lot oh I do too he's a very nice guy I do too he's a great drinking
partner he looks half asleep during his interviews he looks half asleep when you're sometimes fully asleep during the
videos so real quick here Jason pulls up to the house well real quick here's the thing that
that people are missing in this case and this is where you can't have you can't have this whole idea that Jason
told two different stories it doesn't where it gained legs and went off walking on its own it needs to we can
very quickly remove those legs there should not be a story here because the Saanich police held a very unusual press
conference this is shortly after the Dateline episode aired in this press conference the Saanich
police said that the episode resulted in rampant speculation that Jason and his family were responsible for Lindsay's
murder police reiterated in the press conference that Jason and his family are not suspects in the case
so what that tells me is which is I think a stupid line anyways because we know now or what we think we know is
that they didn't find any DNA in the house other than Lindsay's but they did ask Jason to submit a DNA test and as
far as I know he's never submitted that DNA test now again goes from the crime scene gets handcuffed goes downtown you
know extensive interview interrogation goes back with his lawyer to actually go through the property do walk throughs
being very Cooperative but they asked for DNA again when you lawyer up what's your
lawyer going to tell you no we're not submitting DNA so I don't know if I put that so much on
Jason but if that rumor is true then you can't sit there and tell me that you that he's
cleared and they're not suspects okay so let's stay on this for a little bit so we have a murdered young realtor
yeah mysterious foreign clients virtually no forensic evidence that the police will discuss
and no clues as to the Killer's identities or motives so let's go through what we do know
according to Sergeant Horsley we know from forensic evidence that both the man and female did go through the
home this is his words right he says quote we do have evidence of them leaving the home however we don't have
anything in the form of DNA or fingerprints end quote now thanks to our source Gary Rogers we can tell you
exactly what this evidence is according to Gary investigators were able to track
sock and nylon impressions of Lindsay and two others throughout the house they found a bloody trail of footprints one
in a larger wool blend pattern sock the other a smaller more feminine nylon print leaving bloody prints leading from
the upstairs down to the foyer this probably where they presumably picked up their Footwear
their shoes and out the French doors leading to the patio yeah now based on this police could tell pretty much
exactly what happened in the home and determined that the female and male couple seen with Lindsay were almost
certainly the perpetrators of her murder it seems that they just got lucky that there was a hole in the fence so that
they could sneak out of the patio and exit onto the street yeah got lucky or they knew they knew this house in
advance so but it but it does seem that their exit plan was to leave out the front door the way that they came in but
this was got all messed up when Jason drove up to the property right but they parked on a different Road or we could
assume that well we worked on a different Road well that that that is a good question
um they didn't park on that road we know that now could they have had a getaway car getaway driver where they dropped
off right where they picked up that's also the possibility yeah so again who are these two people
we know that per police statements that they are most 100 percent almost 100 percent the perpetrators of Lindsay's
murder and back to the two eyewitnesses the lady walking her dog saw two people in the driveway with Lindsay the
description she provided is of a six foot tall Caucasian man in his mid-30s with a medium build dark
hair now the woman walking her dog only saw the man from the back she didn't get
a look at the front of him okay and she also described a Caucasian woman in her mid-30s to 40s medium height and build
with shoulder length blonde hair now she only saw the woman from the side the woman she described was wearing a dress
the dress was a wavy pattern and white black and reddish pink this is described as a very distinctive
dress and actually police wondered at the time if it was worn specifically to distract any Witnesses from noticing any
facial features of the two or any other distinguishing characteristics and it wasn't reported that the man was wearing
a brown jacket of some kind from my notes I don't have anything regarding a brown jacket but keep in
mind the other eyewitness was driving his car so he only got like a glimpse right of these two people and I I bring
that up because I'm not saying it happens all the time but you we have this reddish pink black
dress man wearing a brown jacket chances are if the these couple left together then they would change the jacket to the
black jacket and they would match on some level um my gut feeling tells me that these
people don't leave that they live in separate houses that's what my gut feeling is telling me
um and I know that sounds silly based off of color coordination but that's my gut feeling
that they're not they're not wearing some type of uniform to indicate that they're together no I know it sounds
silly but I I that's my gut feeling well regarding went to pick up the woman she got in the car and we don't match we
don't match regarding the dress I think the dress is very important because it is described
as very distinctive again it was a wavy pattern in in white black and reddish pink
the police went on to say that because it was so distinctive they thought that maybe the dress would actually lead them
to the the killer or at least to whoever the woman was that that attended that showing right so but their their
statement was quote we think we may have even found the exact brand of the dress
it wasn't a designer high-end name brand unfortunately it was something that could commonly be purchased in a
department store so unfortunately the dress did not pan out for police well I think it had maybe possibly two purposes
one to distract people so they're not looking at facial features but I think on the other hand if it's red and pink
if you if you're leaving it's a reddish pink so it's it's actually a black and white dress with a reddish pink wavy
pattern right but what I'm saying is um so you're leaving a house with some blood on you
it might distract people from the of the fact that you have blood on you it's possible I personally I think that
whatever they were wearing that day was to look as if they should be looking at a home that cost
over nine hundred thousand dollars okay that's that's why I think when when they
get this description when law enforcement gets to the description of this dress I think that's why they
immediately thought that it could have been a higher end designer brand that there would have been less of and they
would have had a chance of tracing it in some form or fashion now a year after the murder police released a sketch of
the blonde female seen by the witness in uh profile unfortunately this did not lead to any leads
now police examined Lindsay's phone and her day planner and found the phone number for the quote Mexicans as she
called them they traced the phone number and found something startling the phone used was a burner phone
purchased with cash the previous November at a convenience store in Vancouver there was no surveillance
footage of the phone purchase now keep in mind it wasn't that the store didn't have
cameras it was more so that this took place so long before right nobody had asked for
this footage eventually eventually they lose it or you know copy over it anything like that
so the uh burner phone was activated online just days before the actual murder and
it was activated under a name uh Apollo Rodriguez p-a-o-l-o Rodriguez I've spelled that
just because I probably mispronounced it and was listed to a business address this business was located in Vancouver
now to be perfectly clear when they registered the phone and to get the phone number they had to
provide an address okay so they provided an address to a business and it's been determined that this business is
unrelated to anything in this case right now the first call on that phone the first call made to Lindsay was
possibly on January 31st 2008 and it came from the Vancouver area the phone then traveled to Victoria on Friday
February 1st 2018. this is by way of the two-hour ferry from Vancouver this is confirmed by cell phone pings along the
way and it was used again to call Lindsay more than once that day and again on February 2nd which was the day
of the killing the phone was never used again after the murder and it was never it's never been
found the phone was only ever used for one thing communicating with Lindsay Sergeant Horsley says quote it's a level
of planning that clearly shows Lindsey buziak was the target [Music] thank you Captain and thank you to all
of you out there for listening and telling a friend please join us back here in the garage tomorrow for part two
until then be good be kind and don't live foreign [Music]

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Brief Summary

The episode investigates the unsolved murder of realtor Lindsey Buziak and the mysterious circumstances surrounding her death.

Key points

The Unsolved Murder of Lindsey Busiak. Exploring the mysterious murder of a young realtor, Lindsey Busiak, and the investigation that followed.
A Strange Client Call. Lindsey receives a call from a mysterious couple wanting to buy a home quickly, leading to her tragic fate.
The Discovery of the Crime Scene. Jason arrives at the home to find Lindsey brutally murdered, leading to a frantic 911 call.
The Attack on Lindsay. Lindsay was attacked from behind without any defensive wounds, indicating a surprise assault.
The Weapon Used. A knife was used in the murder, leaving little forensic evidence behind.
The 9-1-1 Call. Jason made the first 9-1-1 call after failing to gain access to the house.

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