Kayelyn Louder /// Part 1 /// 292 | Forensic Files

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crime foreign [Music] [Music] family issued another plea to help find their loved one who tonight remains
missing no matter what this situation no matter what the problem that day no matter what
it was she was still our college graduate daughter this is spirited and fun and we love her so
much we need her back Suzanne Lauder says she talked to her daughter the day she disappeared and Kailyn seemed fine
but please tell a different story they say she acted very unusual leading up to her disappearance she called 9-1-1 three
times reporting a fight and a burglary that officers say didn't happen and two surveillance videos show louder having
animated conversations with herself police found no evidence of Foul Play foreign
[Music] 1984 twins are born in American Fork Utah the twins names Kalin and Colton
louder the proud parents are Jesse and Suzanne louder little Kalyn was a funny kid she loved her siblings and enjoyed
teasing them she loved her friends and she was a friend to all Kalyn enjoyed reading sharing books and riding horses
and here's something that I absolutely love Captain Kailyn was so competitive very competitive in fact she was so
fiercely competitive playing Scrabble that no one liked to play Scrabble with her
Kalyn attended and graduated from Lehigh High School she enrolled at Utah State University
and graduated in 2006 earning a bachelor's degree in social work she lived her life devoted to helping
others so it makes so much sense that she wanted to become a social worker and at age 25 she's going to have a major
event happen in her life yeah and this involves Kaelyn's twin brother Colton who was 25 as well obviously this takes
place on February 27 2009 in American Fork Utah Colton is at his uncle's house this is Colton's mother's brother 45
year old Jeffrey Ackerman this is a Friday and Jeffrey Ackerman is in his driveway loading some four-wheelers this
is because he's planning to go for a ride for the weekend now around 12 45 in the afternoon Witnesses say they heard
two men arguing well the shouting turned into a gunshot one homeowner looked out
his window and saw Jeffrey Ackerman chasing a man through his yard and then across the street and into a field
the man being chased turned around and shot Ackerman three to four times in the stomach and chest police were called
this is just your average American neighborhood you know basketball hoops and white picket fences and we have a
man down shot multiple times police on the way with scared neighbors and a gunman on the loose
as this whole thing is unfolding the police assessing what happened tending to the victim trying to get him medical
attention and searching for the shooter three schools in the area were put under
lockdown for a couple of hours and police asked all three schools not to transport students with buses students
who usually walked called their parents then around 2 pm someone at a nearby medical clinic saw the suspect standing
near a car the witness alerted the police the man was cornered by police and the suspect raised his hands in the
air and shouted I didn't do it the man did not try to run from what the police say
and the police found a gun a 45 automatic on the hood of a car parked at the clinic
they arrested the suspect the shooter turned out to be Colton louder Jeffrey Ackerman was pronounced dead at
the hospital police shut down the area for hours to gather evidence and interview Witnesses
then they charged Colton with murder there was some confusion in this case it was
it wasn't such a cut and dried case on the surface it seems pretty easy you have the victim he is now dead and then
you have the suspected shooter with a gun in custody and you're charging him with murder why you arrest him yeah so
you have the victim you find the shooter this all happens within just a couple of
hours but truly no one really knew what went down except for the shooter and the
victim and here we have a scenario where eyewitness reports are that the shooter
was at one time being chased by The Gunshot victim there were stories out there at the time
that Colton was a known drug user and was in the area breaking into and stealing stuff from garages or that he
was caught by his uncle stealing stuff out of his garage another theory presented was Colton was
over at his uncle's because Uncle Jeffrey was trying to help Colton get off of drugs and somehow an argument
between the two broke out so picture this for a bit shall we we have a family where one family member is
the victim and the other is the likely killer so you are both grieving and shocked and each on two different levels
one of the officers involved said he was on the scene and a vehicle pulled up to
him and behind the wheel driving is a lady that he recognized and she tells the officer I hear the victim was my
brother what's going on and to which he has to tell her yes ma'am I know and we have
apprehended the suspect and it's your son yeah well through some very good and I want
to really applaud the legal teams here both sides the prosecution and the defense for really doing their due
diligence here because the truth about what went down that day was really none of what we just mentioned through
toxicology tests they were able to determine that both Colton the shooter and the deceased victim were high on
drugs right this during the time of the shooting right so we have a situation where we
thought that his uncle was trying to help him get clean but in reality they were doing drugs together yes and in
fact the deceased Jeffrey Ackerman was on a buffet of drugs according to the Toxicology test Well normally when I
like to do drugs I like to do a buffet as well so both did a considerable amount of methamphetamines just before
the shooting so what we have here is people on the inner Circles of each of these men that
tell investigators that when Colton louder does drugs he gets very paranoid right and then others say when Jeffrey
Ackerman does drugs he gets very angry so now you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce how this cookie
crumbled because both are lit up like Christmas trees and then an argument slash fight breaks
out and the paranoid guy shoots the very angry scary guy well I'm glad you're not
Sherlock Holmes because that'd make me Watson well and because of these circumstance and some other
circumstances the prosecution and defense are going to work out a deal and on November 17 2009 kalin's twin brother
pleads guilty to manslaughter charges and is sentenced to five years in prison for the killing of their Uncle Jeffrey
Ackerman yeah technically he gets five years to life in prison yeah well and you know what Captain I want to point
out how smart and caring this family is the louder family that's all you're going to say me before we move on okay
so this is a terrible horrible tragedy but the louder family was strong enough that they could both mourn the loss of
one of their own and still support and care for one of their own you know they didn't take sides during this they
simply had to say look this is something that we all hate but it happened and it
so obviously would not have happened without drugs ruining both of these men's lives and now we we have to
support a family member as much as we can who is now behind Prison Walls yeah because look the family members don't
want their family members to be drug addicts and you know when you're going down to the Golden Corral and you're
filling up on on drugs and then you go then this happens right and then you go you're technically losing both family
members one is now deceased but one you're losing to the prison system yeah and in our story today our case today is
not so much about Colton louder it's much more about his twin sister Kaylin louder so let's fast forward to 2014
because at some point later in the year this would have been late August or early September of 2014 right Kailyn
lost her job she was working at a private boys school this seems to be as a result of maybe a schedule conflict
because it appears that she was working two jobs Kalyn was working for rover.com
which is a house sitting dog-sitting dog walking um you know online business right and my
guess here is that there may have been a scheduling conflict meaning they might have been able to prove that
we might have a situation where she called off work one day at the boys school and they found out she was
actually dog sitting or working for somebody else so other than that I don't really know
the full particulars of of her losing her job but in late September this is when things get strange
so Kailyn calls 9-1-1 twice on September 26th and we'll go through these in detail in just a minute right the next
day Saturday September 27 2014 Kailyn calls 9-1-1 again she is last seen on surveillance video
leaving her condo and this footage is from Saturday September 27th and around 7 P.M after the third 9-1-1 call correct
Kalyn louder is reported missing on Wednesday October 1st 2014. now this is according to the Daily Mail
police were first alerted to miss louder's disappearance on Wednesday after her roommate realized she had not
seen or heard from her for a while according to an interview with kailyn's Mother sister and cousin on that Monday
right so Kalin is last seen on Saturday on that Monday just two days after kailyn's mother tells kalyn's father how
weird it is that she has not heard from Caitlyn all right so on the Friday we got two 9-1-1
calls Saturday One Call and then she's seen on camera leaving her condo nobody hears from her
this is now the Monday yes and so I guess they checked in Fairly regular almost daily
so after her mother tells her father hey I've not heard from her he tries to get a hold of her but
without any luck then kailyn's roommate calls Suzanne kailyn's mother on that Tuesday and ask her have you seen Kalyn
I haven't seen her for a couple of days that is when the family begins to panic the next morning her father goes to her
condo and he does not find Kalyn but he finds her phone purse and dog which is interesting I mean who cares really much
about the purse I mean that probably has her ID in it and that's interesting but
her dog You're Gonna Want to take care of your dog and one thing I want to point out real
quick too is regarding Kaelyn's car keys so most of the Articles out there regarding this case state that
she left behind her phone Keys purse and the dog and I want to try to this isn't really
going to clear anything up but going to directly to the source let's say I did find an interview with the parents where
they state that her car keys were gone so I know that kind of just makes things confusing I'm going to go with what they
say because they have more a more vested interest in finding her than anyone else
so let's go with if they say the car keys were gone they were gone well in the car keys probably has her condo keys
on it and this is a pretty nice condo unit right well so the other thing too Captain is
kalin's immediate family they were very involved in the search for their daughter and their sister the missing
Flyers distributed uh they they distributed them they they put things online asking anyone for help in
seeking information uh the the Flyers list Kaylin louder as missing from Murray Utah since September
27 2014 age 30 at the time five foot eight inches tall right and weighing about 130 pounds with brown hair and
brown eyes her condo was at the Willows Condominiums and she was in condo F at 5500 Willow Lane
now let's Circle back real quick and go through some of this stuff in detail starting with the 9-1-1 calls
the first call is to report a fight this is on Friday night right the first call Kailyn makes this call
from her cell phone around 9 00 pm and she's reporting that there's a large fight at her condos Clubhouse there was
an event there that night so this is not completely out of left field there was a
wedding reception there that night in kalin's call she states that she heard gunshots or that she believes there were
guns involved now I State this because we don't have that actual call to listen to I couldn't find that call to actually
listen to I can only reference what was reported later now the problem here is police do respond
they arrive responding to this call and when they arrive they did find that the party was actually a wedding reception
and the police say there appeared to be no evidence of any type of violence or guns at this party
then the second 9-1-1 call that came that same night again this is the day before she was last seen right this time
she calls an hour after the first call so it's 10 30. yeah so she hangs up before 9-1-1 actually picks up the call
the dispatcher decides to call her back now according to reports they state that
on the tape she sounds confused and has trouble remembering her address she is mumbling and difficult to
understand at one point she tells the dispatcher her roommate thinks she is confused quote my friend told me I'm
delusional and paranoid she tells the dispatcher she also told the operator that this is a little strange because we
don't have the full conversation to reference what she might mean by some of the stuff
but she also told the operator that she lived in a don't tell don't metal type of community
and she didn't want to endanger her friends so that's the events that we know of of that Friday
and those are the two 9-1-1 calls and now we're to Saturday and we have the third 9-1-1 call but we actually have a
copy of that yeah in the Audio I gotta warn everyone the audio is a little bit tricky here for a couple reasons one at
the beginning it's a lot of back and forth between the dispatcher and Kailyn he's trying to figure out her location
so they've naturally bleeped those things out that information out before they release this
as well as I don't believe that the reception was super great at her condo 9-1-1 what's the address of your
emergency yeah just for verification okay say your address one more time I'm having a hard time hearing you
worry and the phone number you're calling from 801 out of my house and repeat the phone number for
verification okay do you know who this person is no I don't I just know they're going to
treat her in my house you don't know who they are no I don't I'm going to look at where someone's facts
I'm worried about my safety featuring are you at the location now for weapons involved or mentioned
they're not talking or responding let me telling them to leave so I can hear them
staying safe so you haven't seen them you can just hear them yes correct are you or anyone else in immediate
Danger I believe so okay are you able to get yourself to safety I just want to answer that long to keep
I'm sorry what no can you talk freely with me yeah okay where exactly are you I'm in
bedroom okay enter the building um there's only one door on the west side okay where are the possible exits from
the building get out of myself is there anyone else in the building Who belongs there
yes for the sixth apartment I'm sorry what there's six people six Apartments okay is there anybody
else in your apartment that should be there I believe she's here I have a roommate
where is she at next door okay I'm just going to stay on the line with you until officers get there okay
just let me know if anything changes what is your last name and your first name Kayla it's what
Kaelyn can you still hear them yes where does it sound like they're at the front room
it's a small place shut up are they saying anything I heard someone say hey go in there so
there's obviously two of them hey Carol lock the door there's something going on there
I'm here yeah we might as well is okay what's going on now hello okay as soon as I left
they've left now yeah so I'm just gonna look and see if anything's been taken someone opened the door and I heard them
come in so yeah before they went at all no don't don't do that Sarah's still lost okay they must have
it here or something because when I I took the dog out I heard people talking um and there was people last night like
sitting outside the window and so they like were sculpting us out or something nobody knows about it
[Applause] about like the fake Heat [Applause] well I took it out like I had it on my
personal wears on someone opened the door and there's actually like people like no no
Rachel like people seem to get out there all the time yeah and then I knew that why is that they were still lost well I
can't explain that so I heard like two people talking uh is the office what was that
is the officer close I'm not sure where they're coming from they're on the way I
don't know where they're coming from though oh what do you want them we have a flop in the bathroom so it's
sick [Applause] thank you well we'll try to make heads or tails of this 911 call right after this quick
beer break [Music] [Music] all right cheers me mateys cheers Captain through the glass
so this call that was made this is from kalin's cell phone and the call came in at 8 18 a.m during this call she is
locked in her bedroom so the people that she thinks that she thinks that are in her condo they would be in the other
room in the front room as she's explaining to the the dispatcher right but I I would argue that she has her
door open her bedroom door open I I think what we have here so this K this call is quite confusing for many reasons
okay first of all we have Kailyn on the phone she's talking to the 9-1-1 dispatcher
and then at some point she is yelling at the people that she thinks are in her condo the Intruder or Intruders right
but then she also starts having a conversation with her roommate who is home during this whole event right but
she was in a room right so I think what we have here is I don't know the layout of this condo other than the way that
it's described or hearing the way they talk about it in this call but it sounds to me like you you would have at least a
a main room a front room that that goes right to the entrance okay and then kalin's in her bedroom her roommate is
in I guessing in her bedroom right in a set in a separate bedroom that is next door to kalin's and you hear them
discussing a bathroom at some point or a restroom at some point and so there's a
third room which is that the uh the restroom so I'm guessing we don't have any visuals here so I'm
just guessing that at the beginning of the call Kalyn might be locked in her room thinking that the intruders are in
the front room she's called 9-1-1 and then at some point when her roommate realizes what's going on they're either
talking through the door or kalyn's door is opened at some point and they're they're talking face to face yeah
multiple times during the call you can hear some of the other than Kalyn it's not clear if that's the roommate behind
her bedroom door laughing or making a noise or saying something or is it coming from the front room
again we don't have any visuals but it sounds as if her roommate comes out of her room and then they start having a
conversation well if those noises weren't her then obviously those are noises coming from
somebody from the front room well and to add to the confusion here it sounds to me as if when she's talking to
the roommate or yelling at the believed Intruders at times she might even be pulling her
phone away from from her as she's doing so right and our case is Kalyn louder well her
roommate's name is Carol so sometimes when they're interacting with each other it's hard to decipher if someone's
saying Kalin or Carol yeah we try to clean up this audio as much as we could but the 911 dispatcher he's clear but on
their end they're a little muffled yeah and he's having trouble understanding what's going either what's going on with
the situation or the reception itself or both at one point when the roommate's coming out of her room you also hear a
little bit more commotion so is it just the commotion from the roommate coming out of her room or is there commotion
from the front room and the roommate because right after that commotion she says I think they left
yeah my first impression of this call and Kalin that we hear there is she sounds afraid to me that's very clear
and very obvious so whatever is either going on or whatever she thinks is going on she's afraid
and so I think we we should point that part out now there there are some different
interesting things within this call one being you know she is communicating with
who she believes has broken into her home saying telling the operator they're stealing [ __ ] from my house yelling at
the Intruder get the F out of my house and then at some point you hear the roommate
come in and say look there's there's not an intruder Kalyn tells the roommate don't do that
Carol I don't know what that means I I don't know if she's opening attempting to open up a door at that point right
right um but then Carol points out to Kalin the bolts are locked it's impossible
meaning it's impossible that there was an intruder nobody's come in to which Kalyn responds they must have a key or
something yeah which is strange but at the same time it's like I don't know the distance from that room where there's
where they're at or did they move to the front room to see clearly because sometimes you can go into a room and at
a glance you think that that the deadbolt is locked and then once you get closer you go no that's not locked right
so is it um is it a mistake on the roommate's part and then by having her having a mistake that people start going
well we don't know if Caleb was of her right mind yeah yeah and our friend John lordon from uh
brain scratch yeah that's cool pins that's right he uh you know when he listens to these calls and I'm going
from his show information he gives his opinion and he points out some interesting things he says look if
if Kalyn is in her room and her roommate is home he says I don't know why she doesn't assume that the noises she's
hearing are either coming from the roommate maybe the roommates watching TV or an action film or listening to the
radio anything you know other than first jumping to the thought that there's an intruder right but that's where to me
if you lived in any of these small apartments if you're in your room and your doors locked you'd have a hard
time distinguishing what's coming from the main room or somebody else's bedroom but if your bedroom door is open then
you're going okay I can clearly hear what's coming from her bedroom and whatever sounds I'm hearing in the front
room are not the sounds that I'm hearing coming from my my roommate's room yeah and I don't know the the layout of their
condo with inside their condo but I do know the layout of the condo complex and I can say this they are sharing walls
with neighbors so right and so and anybody that's lived in an apartment or a dorm or a condo you
know that you it's not tough to to hear your neighbors from time to time yes there's that Mitch Hedberg bit where he
says he'd blast his music and his neighbor it'll always come knocking on his wall to tell him to turn down and
he'd always go up to the wall and go go around there's no door on my side the other thing too is
when she's yelling at The Intruders one thing that I found interesting and I know we all behave differently in a a
panic situation but at no time does she say like hey I'm on the phone with the police or you better get out of here I'm
calling the cops you know well she does say get out of my house that's true that's true right yeah but you're right
she should be gone if if you would threaten hey I'm going to call the cops I'm on the phone with the cops uh but
she's not trying to be quiet about being on the phone with 9-1-1 either no it's not like she's Whispering huddled in her
closet or in a corner somewhere I think she has her bedroom door open and I think she's looking down the hallway or
whatever and I and I think what's strange to me is the shut up just shut up it's like are they laughing
you know well there's a laugh in there yeah let's play that play the laugh real quick can you still hear them
yes if you listen closely in between there talking you'll kind of hear uh hahaha
Let's play it one more time can you still hear them yes so that's clearly something a
laughter but it could be from a television it could be coming from her roommate's room or it could be coming
from the front room the way I take this my you know just trying to make logic of it
I wonder if that's the roommate laughing like oh here we go again you know she's
calling the police and there's clearly nobody here like not laughing at Kailyn but laughing at the situation because
it's you know it's you know no I understand that but when we first started diving into this case
and you start seeing stuff on Reddit that maybe something was going on with Kalyn mentally
I don't hear it in our voice no and I don't hear somebody that's not coherent there's not
one time that she's asked a question that she doesn't answer right she's she's pretty clear with her answers now
the operator seems to have some trouble either understanding her or maybe this is some kind of smart way of clarifying
right you know because he knows that he's sending officers into a situation and to which the Call Comes
in there's Intruders in her home she reports that they probably have weapons they have guns and that she feels that
she her life or she's in some type of physical danger right but again he's going okay where's the entrance you know
or how many entrances are there are there exits you know are there exit points yeah and then he talks about well
are there other people there well yeah the roommate but at some point she goes there's six Apartments meaning there's
six units and again this is not her making a statement that's out of nowhere so I I don't see
well in regards to the entrance or other exits she this is very specific she says
there's only one and it's on the west side right and and now and we gotta go based off evidence so it's just so
strange to me that we don't have the first two 9-1-1 calls right just reports of what more discussed during those is
it very possible that there's some people messing with her she's going outside you know some
teenagers Maybe or young 20 some year olds that are messing with her and they decided to
open up the door and and sit down on their her couch and maybe the TV's on yeah you know it's
somebody is somebody messing with her because also when she starts talking to the roommate
it's it's muffled so we can't actually hear what the roommate's saying but at the same time she's going well
it's impossible and and then the roommate says well what about the other key like you know like a key that was
hidden outside or something right there's that point so if the roommate which nobody's saying is having some
mental break is trying to come up with some logical reasons then maybe you know Kailyn is actually
calling for a purpose well we should point out that the police did arrive later at the condo and their
report was that they found no evidence of a break-in well let me play the clip again of where the roommate sounds like
she's coming out of the room and you can hear Kailyn say I think they just left or maybe they just left
[Music] come here yeah we might have left okay what's going on now hello okay very left
they've left now yeah so I'm just gonna look and see if anything's been taken all right so to
explain that the best way I can there is some kind of noise doors opening or closing it definitely sounds like the
roommate but I can't be for sure that it's just the roommate and not the main door to their place right and so she
yells at some point I think the door opening startled her maybe it's the roommate again maybe it's a combination
of both but right after she says lock your door or something like that and then at some point as she's still talking to
her roommate she says come here to the roommate and then their roommate goes there so again if this person is acting
out of their mind quote unquote then why would you be going into the room why would you be listening to her
and then she's going I think they left I heard a noise I think they're gone now I see my
roommate and then the cop says hey what's going on and she goes I think they left well
what are you doing now I'm gonna go check to see if they took anything now I don't know about you but if I called
the cops and that's that's how this conversation would go down right well and and then I hear her say
they might as well so I think to that she might be being asked by the roommate if the if the cops
do we still need the cops or are they still on their way and I think she's responding well they might as well you
know there are casinos according to what she's been told by the dispatcher that they're already in route right and then
the call drops off after someone rings the doorbell right which we could assume is the cops could be the cops and and so
then the the call ends there like hey guys the cops are here I do want to point this out I don't think from what I
hear that there was an intruder and I also think that possibly but that doesn't mean that somebody's
going out of their mind because no because if you have noises coming from The Roommate
you have maybe some noises coming outside right from outside plus you have your apartments connected to another
apartment so you have noises coming from there is it possible that she went to go out
of a room something kind of startled her and then when she stopped to listen for
a while there was noises that she couldn't explain and then she called the cops hey I think
somebody's in my house right and then the cops come and they say there's nobody in the house how many how
many times do you think they get calls every month of you know I could hear a crash in my
garage that this happened to me one night here crash in my garage it's like 11 30 at night and I and there was kids
going around the neighborhood or maybe there weren't kids at night when there was garage doors
open they're going in and just grabbing whatever and taking off and so I hear this crash in my garage and it's 11 30
at night and I pause and think should I call the cops so my first thought was let me open up
the door right so I open up the door turn on the light well guess what the garage door was closed and something
just fell over but it would have been unreasonable if I would have called the cops
right and then they show up and they and they and they determine that nobody broke into my house oh well well
I was saying I I can hear the I would I wouldn't say that there were Intruders into the condo however
this thing in in the these are other people's words that I've found online people commenting and posting comments
regarding the situation where people say well she's clearly crazy she's clearly delusional out of her mind I want to
remind everybody that post something like that this young woman is only out of her mind if there's no one there we
don't we can't say for certain that that there was no one there from what I hear
it doesn't sound like there was anyone there but what I don't like about this situation is at no point at no time
could I find the roommate who was clearly there commenting regarding this situation
clearing up what what may or may not have been going on right the family is very upfront very up you know forward
with leading the search and looking for their daughter and their sister and they
are in the Press they are commenting they are doing interviews and I understand that doesn't work for
everybody but somebody the one person that that is still available that could clear up what could have been going on
on Friday night as well as what could have been going on Saturday morning I couldn't find any at any point that
they ever gave a statement yeah but no everything you said there was great but you have a family saying we talked
to her she didn't seem like she was off her rocker right right that her mother her mother spoke to her
so so I'll take you through that scenario real quick yeah okay so her mother kalyn's mother Suzanne louder
says that she spoke to Kalin on this same day that Kalyn sounded normal to her and from what I found Kalyn checked
in often almost daily with her family and I think that was most the time with her mother so if anyone is going to be
aware that something was wrong just by going by kalin's Tone or kailyn's voice I'm very confident her mother would be
able to decipher that just from a phone conversation but to be clear I don't have the time of that phone call
from her mother to Kalyn but her mother does state that it was the morning of The Disappearance which that 9-1-1 call
was the morning as well right but do we have a comment from the mother saying hey I've listened to this 9-1-1 call and
this that's my daughter and and it doesn't sound odd to me because it doesn't sound odd to me you
know again there might not be somebody in the apartment but is that just a mistake that she made I believe the the
family statement regarding this 9-1-1 call and the surveillance footage which we will get to
is that that maybe some of it seems strange but not all of it seems strange and I think I think what comes up most
of the time in in the media was the surveillance footage so they may simply be responding to that
the problem is their daughter is missing and when she is missing there's so many
people in the public and it's saying they're not responding well to it the citizens the public is not responding
well to this missing woman because the Public's perception by some were oh this person this person lost it she's
delusional delusional and she either ran away or harmed herself so therefore the
the the the alert level is not of great concern as far as the public goes and when you're her family
who need to find their daughter all you have is the Public's help you're you're crying out to the public help us find
our daughter and one thing that I love that they they stood by and and kept reiterating you hear in that clip that
we played for the trailer the news clip where the mother almost goes out of the way to say our college graduate daughter
right and I think the and then she goes on to describe her personality a little bit I think that that was very smart on
the Family's behalf because I think at that time what's going on is they're saying you know what we desperately need
the help of the public to help find our daughter well they probably read a lot of books you know and we need them to
see her as a as a person as as a real life living breathing human being with feelings that's just as normal as
everybody else out there and I think that's their way of pushing past hey it doesn't matter whatever you
think is going on in these on these 911 calls and on the surveillance footage this person's still missing finding her
is the goal not so much figuring out what's going on right so listening to this tape I mean your gut
feeling is there's not somebody there that's fine I I could I could agree with that on some level I don't think there's
any solid proof that we hear somebody else I mean there's the times that we even hear
laughter it's again you can just say it was the roommate that would make logical
sense but what's Your Gut Feeling on her mind State at this point um that's difficult that's very difficult
because like I said it's only this is only delusional if there was in fact no one there and I I don't yeah I think
that there was someone there but but regarding her words and her answers to the dispatcher and how she responds to
questions she doesn't sound delusional to me yeah it's also difficult too because obviously we didn't personally
know her so we don't know anything of her uh we don't have like speeches of hers to go over to to
determine how she was normally so but again I'm going to go with the family if they're
saying we talked to her and we listen to this tape and we don't think that she sounds like she lost it
I'm gonna go with their thought now on to the surveillance camera footage this is from the parking lot of her
condominium complex this shows her leaving her condo and this footage is from Saturday September
27th I have a report that states one video is from 3 30 p.m and one video is from 5 45 p.m most reports stating that
Kailyn is last seen on surveillance video around 7 P.M so I just want to go into it like that because that's the
information that is out there there are six videos that were made public and we found all six of them on KSL news
on their website and we'll put a link on our website truecramgarage.com so you can follow that as we talk about it
so on video one the the first video I want to point out that the rain is not as heavy in this video clearly not heavy
rain and a lot of the news articles state that there was Heavy Rain that day thunderstorms torrential downpours
that's not what's going on in this first clip uh the first video I see little to
actually no rain at all possibly a Kalin is seen in jean shorts and a tank top with no shoes on I do want to point out
the red car that is on the left side of the screen just make a mental note of that car as we're going through these
different videos now on to video two this one is the one of Kalin running this is kind of the the quote-unquote
famous one we'll say a lot of online commenters commenters say that she appears to be running from something in
this video however I see more of a jog rather than a dead Sprint I actually think she appears to possibly be running
toward something rather than away from something um I believe that that she is also kind of
watching her step she appears to be watching her step as she runs so more concerned about the possibility of
stepping on something sharp rather than whatever people posters commenters say could be
chasing her and then two she appears to be checking for uncoming for oncoming traffic as she's running out into the
parking lot so again not someone that is terrified of whatever she was running from I believe
you know here we have these actions that she's not actually running from anything
regardless if we can see it or not I don't believe she's running from something there appears to be something
in her left hand as she's running it took me a few times of watching it to to see something and maybe I'm just seeing
something that's not there but it appears to me that there's something in her hand now this could be possibly a
white cell phone it could be keys I don't know what it is but that kind of goes back to my point of I feel like
she's running to something you know like like you don't put on your shoes every time if you're just going to run outside
real quick and hand something off to the driver of a car or if you're running next door to deliver something to you
know a neighbor at some point yeah or maybe it has something to do with her dog but we have this maroon car that's
in the first video not in the second video and all of a sudden it shows up again magically in the third video well
in video three this is the one where Kailyn is talking um some say that she is talking to
herself and I believe police even stated that in their comments regarding this footage
that look sorry but she's clearly talking to her dog Phyllis Phyllis is a small black pug yeah and
her dog is outside with her everyone that I know talks to their pets and she's probably the white it's a white
bag to pick up the poop well at this point it's clearly a white bag but the reason why I suggested possibly other
items for video two is only because we have a list of items that were said were left behind and I can't clearly decipher
that that's a bag in video too where you can in video three and so what I think we have here is
some people they like to spin a nice yarn right and it's a better story if she's out in the parking lot talking to
herself but I'm sorry people that's not what's going on she's talking to her dog
very likely trying to encourage her dog to go to the restroom because it's it's sprinkling outside there's a light rain
at this time yeah what's the command that's normally make right make well I make possibly yeah but I do want to
point out as you pointed out Captain everybody note that the red car is back again on the left side of the screen
right and then in the fourth video it's gone again uh but there is a white bag there's a grocery bag that's on the
right hand side that is now there so that bag is lying on the the pavement right but that's not the one she's
holding you can still see her holding a bag yeah and I actually think if if you go back and look at Video One
or maybe it would be two and three I think it might already be there yeah man these they don't listen to our show
don't Litter people so video four this video most point out that Kailyn is looking around quite a bit and some
people of course their imagination starts to wander and they go well she she's probably looking around for
something that that either she thinks is there or that somebody's chasing her but
again using logic here I think what we have is a situation where she's now back outside with the dog
and she's probably put the dog down in the grassy area that's that's just behind her she's on the pavement I think
she's put the dog down and with her looking around it could be she's either looking for other animals if any but
neighbors are walking around or looking around to make sure that her dog went to
the restroom so they can go back in at this point it does appear to me that um it's raining or I'm sorry it does not
appear to me to be raining in this video so a break in the rain this would be a good opportunity to take the dog outside
and it as you pointed out Captain she is holding a small white plastic bag in her
right hand at that time so again I think that any of her actions and movements in this video are in
regards to her dog Phyllis yeah what a what a great name for a pug right no I agree with you I think she is talking to
the dog and I think the dog was out there in the first video that we we just didn't see
and she possibly ran not away from anything because it looks like she had a like run to go get something almost like
oh crap I forgot a bag right or I forgot whatever right and so she runs back comes back the dog's there all right
make make do your business and we see that maroon car but then the last footage we don't uh the last video
she's not in the video but we do see a red car that goes through okay well so but video five
uh-huh we need to get to first so this video number five is quite different and there is
some confusion on regarding what is in this video but what I believe it's showing
is kalin's roommate not Kalyn I believe we see kalyn's roommate she walks out of
that same area that Kailyn had walked out of now note the blue car to the right of the roommate as she is walking
out to the parking lot and then over to the garages so what you can't see from from this video is the layout of the
condos so you have the condos then you have that giant boulder Rock looking thing my my understanding is
that it was it's basically a mound of dirt that they poured concrete over right okay so Kalyn has brought her dog
out to to that area to to make the make the business and then you have the parking lot area where you see the
parked cars and some of the videos you see a red car to the left and then what the camera is attached to
is the rooftop of a series of garages and there's a whole bunch of them and they're single car garages from my
understanding so you're getting it from the Viewpoint of above that garage so with the roommate in video five walking
out she's walked out of the condo and now she's walked past a blue car that's to her right and she's looking and she
seems to be paying attention to that blue car for some reason maybe it's of no importance at all and then she walks
over into one of the garages then on video six this shows a red car driving slowly note that the car is
driving slowly near the blue car once again that we referenced earlier again this could be the driver paying close
attention to the blue car then the car appears to be pulling into one of the garages and note this would be a garage
that seems to be in a similar location if not the exact same location as to where I said the roommate appears to be
walking into so what I think you know because people there's no sound so some people have raised question well why why
even bother show us this but it I believe we're seeing the roommate walking out to their garage and then
you're seeing her return in her red car later yeah again it's it's hard to know without knowing the layout of the land
too much but we're going to put that link on our website and on our blog please give us your thoughts on these
videos they're very short video clips and I have some notes regarding the footage as a whole when you you know you
put them all together as one big movie let's say now I said to you captain on the phone last week that I believe that
these are cameras that once they detect motion or movement that they then record
what they see until they no longer detect motion after watching the videos many times I now think differently I
think that these are always recording and that we're just seeing Snippets that at some point before they release the
this footage to the public that they just cut it at different points for whatever reason it could be just
arbitrary who knows well it could just be motion sensor two because it seems like a lot of these videos
it's there's Motion in there either the roommate walking or the car so yeah I I just I think with my with my
background what I'm seeing here is is cameras that are recording all the time um I also think that these cameras were
probably not installed with the purpose of watching individuals coming and going from that
walkway area but the main purpose sole purpose of protecting the cars in the parking lot and the garages that are
there as well also remember that blue car I pointed out I wonder if this could be kalin's car
the the blue car is present and parked in that same spot every time we see Kalin in fact the blue car is there for
all six videos but I do want to point out too some some things we don't have time stamps or at least
the videos I watched didn't have them so they don't we don't know at what time each of these videos is
made or taking place or even the actual order of the videos other than the assumption that they are in the order
per the the new station KSL yeah um but in these videos again I don't see any evidence
of somebody losing their mind or not um coherent like at all the actions that she makes I can make logical assumptions
of why she's making these actions well and that's where I fault some of the news stations and some of the coverage
regarding this disappearance is we have them saying she's she's talking to herself she appears to be interacting
with someone that's not there that's just that's just telling a tale it's just spinning a yarn it's making a good
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September 2014, Utah - A beautiful young woman in the prime of her life disappears. She is last seen by a surveillance camera near her condo. Police say she was behaving strangely leading up to the time she went missing. This week we share a few beers and give our opinions as we take a deep dive into the case of Kayelyn Louder. Beer of the Week - Escape to Colorado by Epic Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and 3/4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Kailyn Louder's disappearance is examined alongside her brother's manslaughter conviction and the family's struggles with addiction.

Key points

A Family Tragedy. Colton, Kailyn's twin brother, is charged with murder after a shocking incident.
Kailyn's Disappearance. Kailyn is reported missing after a series of troubling 9-1-1 calls.
Confusing 911 Call. Kailyn's 911 call reveals her fear and confusion about intruders in her home.
Roommate's Perspective. Kailyn's roommate, Carol, insists there is no intruder, adding to the tension.
Police Arrive. The police arrive at the condo, but find no evidence of a break-in.
Surveillance Footage Analysis. The discussion dives into the surveillance footage of Kailyn's last known moments, revealing conflicting interpretations of her actions.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

She was still our college graduate daughter.

Family's plea about their missing daughter.

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Tension

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