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John B Ramsey she was strangled with a cord little myth Colorado 6-year-old murder victim Jean
Benet Ramsey unknown Intruder her [Applause] brother Victory John B oh my God they still have not interviewed the
parents I Didn't Do It John Ram didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of anybody who
did my life has been H from that day forward and I want nothing more than to find out who was responsible for
this [Music] 911 emergency please 55 15 Street what's going on there man we are kidnapping
right please explain to me what's going on okay there we have a there's a note left and our daughter is gone a note was
left and your daughter is gone how old is your daughter 6 years old she's gone years
[Applause] old how long AG go I don't know I just found the not my God does it say who
Cher what does it say who Cher I don't know there's a there's a ransom note here it's a ransom note it says
sbtc [Applause] Victory please okay what's your name are you I'm the mother oh my God please I'm
okay I'm sending a KN over okay do you know how long she no I don't please we just got up she
right here oh my God please okay I am honey take a deep breath okay Cathy Cathy Cathy
[Applause] [Music] Cathy thank you for the beautiful trailer for this week here captain and thank you for
playing paty's 911 call now just to clear up any type of confusion I think we should jump right into a a transcript
of that 911 call so we can all have a clear understanding what is said on both ends from the 911 operator as well as
paty Ramsey when 911 picks up the call paty Ramsey says police 911 what what's going
on ma'am paty Ramsey 7551 15th Street what's going on there ma'am paty we have a kidnapping hurry please 911 explain to
me what's going on okay py there we have a there's a note left and our daughter's
gone 911 a note was left and your daughter's gone py yes 911 how old is your daughter she is 6 years old she's blonde
6 years old how long ago was this py I don't know I just got the note and my daughter's gone 911 does it say who took
her py what 911 does it say who took her paty no I don't know there's a there's a
ransom note here 911 it's a ransom note paty it says sbtc Victory please 911 okay what's your
name are you Kath py paty Ramsey I'm the mother oh my God please 911 okay I'm sending an officer over
okay paty please 911 do you know how long she's been gone no I don't please we just got up and she's not here oh my
God please 911 okay Cal py please send somebody 911 I am honey py please not 911 take a deep breath in py she says
hurry hurry hurry 911 says py paty py at the start of this call it appears that paty Ramsey is asking for the police now
we only hear her say police there are some reports that state that that is inaudible that we cannot tell what py is
saying in that first line yeah and there's some people that speculate that she actually goes to say ambulance and
cuts herself off and says please she's immediately asked what is going on to which she responds giving her address
again what is going on there ma'am she states we have a kidnapping hurry please what I decipher from this very
quick little snippet at the beginning of the call is I kind of think good and bad when we
look at the the scales of Justice in regards to paty Ramsey she's doing exactly what I would expect
a mother who is terrified as at what could be going on her daughter is gone and found a ransom note right she is
asking for the type of help that she needs police she is ask she is stating where she is located and immediately
stating the problem at hand we have a kidnapping and then asking hurry please we've gone through a lot of these 911
calls over the years yeah they drive me nuts one thing that I've always called into question is when we have a lengthy
call and the person is failing to ask for help to respond to the situation until later in the call right here this
call roughly is about I was trying to time it it's roughly it's a little over a minute a minute 42 seconds or
something and we have within 7 Seconds of the all she is actually asking for help she's asking for someone to respond
to the scene right so I think a good sign for paty where I say that I think a bad sign for py is and this might be
just too much speculation on my part but it almost appears to me in somewhat of a
manner that she believed that she could ask for the type of help that she wants police or ambulance she states where
they are located and states the problem at hand the kidnapping part of me wonders if she thought that the
conversation was going to go any further than that right that okay now I'm off the hook I've made this call I've told
them the help that we need let's wait for them to respond very good here we have the 911
operator asking again explain to me what is going on okay one thing that I will point out that I think is good for py
Ramsey here is and when you mean good good in the sense that let's say she's in ENT of any
wrongdoing mhm she goes immediately into we have a there's a note left and our daughter's gone meaning where my first
suspicion was that this this conversation was going to be over as soon as she said there's a kidnapping
please hurry right then she's asked what is going on she without hesitation goes
into what is going on she doesn't stumble you know like I would expect somebody that has a lot to hide to
possibly stumble at that point in the conversation a lot of yeah a lot of O uh uh and then there's several back and
forth about you know our daughter's gone and there's a note here she gives a brief
description that it's six years old she's blonde she's a six-year-old girl yeah a lot of people give her a check
mark in the in the guilty column for never saying her daughter's name but and fairness to pany ramsy she's never asked
what the daughter's name is how old is she correct what's your name correct and then we do have a portion here where I
find it interesting that 911 is okay what's your name are you Cath so there's several there's several um versions of
this call out there right uh I find this one to be the most complete one that I have seen and so I'm going with this one
I I hear her say the operator say are you Cath which just I find that interesting
because it doesn't she doesn't seem to know where the Call's coming from at that time almost like she's going to ask
her are you Kathleen or Kathy right that yeah I I think it's probably just inaudible and and that's the closest
somebody could put down to decipher so I have paty Ramsey of course she's asking for help numerous times
asking that they please hurry numerous times throughout this call but even in this very short call six or seven
seconds into it is the first time that she asked for help and then again around the 40 second Mark and basically the
whole second half of the call is her asking for help or for them to please hurry so where I always stand on those
is if we have a situation where somebody calls 911 and they are not asking for help because that's essentially that's
all 911 is there for you to call and request help assistance of some sort yeah my issue
with a lot of these 911 calls is is just the the lack of calmness and and obviously that's easier said than done
but yes you read the note you yelled for your husband you ran to your husband you
had some kind of conversation with your husband he reads the note then he says hey call police which one
out of the two individuals we know which one's cmer John Ramsey so maybe you should call because like you said after
you ask for help maybe that's where you think it should stop it's normally where
it doesn't stop so no 911 is going to keep you or whoever calls on the line as long as they can unless you have really
good reason to not be on the call yeah and this this call also gets put into question
because I would think think when you start talking to somebody and saying hey we have an emergency here's where we're
at by me talking to you the reason why they keep you on the phone is to start calming you
down so as you as the call progresses py doesn't get more calm I think this to me is either a sign that
she's faking it and she's a drama queen or this is happening in real time and this happen so quickly and as they're
asking her questions she's still processing the fact that her kid is gone and what the hell are we going to
do yeah and one of the things I find really interesting and I believe John Douglas talks about this is one of the
key things that he believes that she didn't know much about the note and we'll go get to the note later but a lot
of people speculate that she wrote it well if she wrote it and they said who's the note
from that if she was really familiar with the note she would have just said sbtc but it's almost like she has to
flip to that part of the note and then she reads from down to upwards she reads sbtc that makes no sense so she goes to
the next word to try to find the answer sbtc nope that's not a good answer Victory oh that's not a good answer
either see what I'm saying so if somebody is more familiar with the note they they probably wouldn't have read
from down to up probably wouldn't have had to flip to the back uh to the third page to find the answer that's assuming
that that she's doing that but it sounds like the way she's describing things on
that 911 call it sounds as if that is in fact what she is doing yeah it'd be very
good acting I would think if she's faking that well you said drama queen I do believe she took some uh drama
courses be it in high school or college I but here's what it drives me nuts is like on we're always constantly going
well here's how I would have reacted or this is how I think somebody should react where because if you did if John
Ramsey called and said my name is John Ramsey my my daughter John B Ramsay is missing she's six years old she's blonde
she's about however tall that they would persecute him for being too calm and not being emotional
enough right well I to me I don't try to look too much into the to try to figure
out the emotions of the person making the call I never do that my whole thing is just I always question when they are
finally asking for help because that's that's what 911 is it's truly a Lifeline it is there only to be asking for help
and when somebody is in a situation as severe as this I expect them to be asking for help very quickly in the call
and the reason why I always reference that is because if it's a put on if you're only calling 911 because you feel
that that's what you are supposed to do or how you are supposed to act in this situation and you in fact did something
terrible then really you don't want help to show up inside deep down inside you you're hoping it's delayed as possible
because you don't want to have to explain anything to anyone right because you don't want them to know what you've
done so I always take that into account when I when I listen to these I never try to listen to the emotion because as
you very uh very well pointed out we don't know how each one of us would behave or react to these different
situations we there is no right way to act or wrong way to behave on these calls and the call gets a little more
interesting at the end because there is no okay see you later or we'll be here waiting there's no end and that's where
I believe possibly at that point John Ramsay is trying to tell paty Ramsey something
there's something going on at that house that is pulling her attention away from
the phone call and and at that point going that minute and 40 some seconds on the phone to that mother could have felt
like an hour so she might have been like look I said all I need to say now there's stuff
going on here mhm and now I'm talking to these individuals then the phone hangs up and it's always been kind of a
mystery what has been said at the end this is from a 2016 story on bustle.com there's long been debate over what
exactly happened at the tail end of the of the recording with some arguing the call did not immediately disconnect
after paty hung up the receiver and that a third voice can be heard the 911 tape
has been analyzed nine times nine different times by everyone from the FBI to to the US Secret Service to
professional audio Laboratories to CBS to an amateur internet sleuth neither the FBI or the Secret
Service have reported hearing a third Voice or any other extended conversation now if we back up a few
years before this 2016 story on bustle.com from Steve Thomas's book we have this from page 15
the telephone call gave us a Cornerstone of evidence when he says us he means the
boulder detectives working the case not so much for what was easily heard but for what was found when experts washed
out the background noise it has been my experience as a police officer that such
emergency calls are virtually unchallengeable they are tape recorded and either something was said or it is
not right tapes can be so powerful that prosecutors regularly play them so a jury can hear the actual voices and
emotions of the participants in preliminary examinations detectives thought they could hear some
more words being spoken between the time pansy Ramsey said hurry hurry hurry and
when the call was terminated however the FBI and the US Secret Service could not lift anything
from the background noise on the tape as a final effort several months later we contacted the electronic Wizards at the
Aerospace Corporation in Los Angeles and asked them to try to decipher The Sounds
behind the noise their work produced a startling conclusion paty apparently having trouble hanging up the telephone
and before it rested in the Cradle she was heard to moan help me Jesus help me Jesus her husband was heard to bark
we're not talking to you and in the background was a young sounding voice what did you find according to Steve
Thomas he says this young sounding voice was John benet's brother Burke the ramies would repeatedly tell us again
meaning the detectives that their son did not wake up at any point throughout the night of the crime he says we knew
differently yeah but there's there's so many problems with all this I mean CBS did an analysis on on this to eliminate
all the background noises nearly impossible so I don't care what kind of state of the art system you have um it's
that's just not how audio works there's distortions and and and things that are happening naturally because it's a phone
call that you're not going to be able to eliminate so and I again I think these are it's
one of these dumb points that okay if you prove that she's saying you know Jesus Jesus help me Jesus or whatever
and then you hear in the background which I hear something like that and then I also hear some other noise which
they're claiming is John ramsy and he's saying to then Burke and when you watch the CBS special I think they do a good
job to go okay that's possible there was also speculation for for a couple years
after that that she was saying um what have I done so there's been all these you know
different accounts of what she's saying okay let's just say that you're saying what CBS is saying and and what
what the detectives are saying is true and then they came to you and said that well Burke wasn't up so we don't we
don't know well we know that Burke had to wake up at some point and we know that Burke was a awake by the time the
police got there so what does it prove other than their misremembering and there's plenty of
detectives and plenty of law enforcement and plenty of FBI agents that have looked at this case and said you know
just let's take a step back when paty Ramsey says well I checked in on John Benet and then I went down the steps and
then it later changes to I went down the step saw the note then I went to check on
her that could be in that moment of trauma if she has no involvement and her daughter going missing she might never
remember which order it happened she is just telling you the best of her ability
what she thinks happened so take that same scenario uh Burke wasn't up when I was on the 911 call well maybe you're
misremembering maybe because of the trauma because of all the stuff going on in your head and in the
house that uh he wasn't up when you went to make the call he was up when you hung up the
phone we'll continue along on the timeline uh as we go here but according to eyewitness report courts Burke Ramsey
did not wake up until after police had arrived on the scene I want to jump back here Captain before we get into this
timeline a little more because I want to really focus in on something that you said regarding that that tail into the
call what has been called into question and has been a debate of what was said if something was said and what was
really going on I think there's good reason to debate that I think there good reason for
people to question what they believe that they're hearing part of it is the reports that are out there depending on
who you look at depends on what report you get on what is if in fact anything at the tail end of that call right I
personally cannot hear I hear something I can't hear the words that are said I believe what I'm hearing is at least two
different voices but I wouldn't say but to get I wouldn't bet my I wouldn't bet the title
of my vehicle on that I'm hearing three different voices I think I hear three things going on but I don't know that
for certain that I hear three different voices so the way that this would work out is that py didn't hang up the phone
all the way and then these words are spoken again I find it interesting that we have so many different let's call
them scientists for a lack of better words right so many different scientists coming out and saying oh we did this to
the audio we did that to the audio and this is what we heard oh we didn't hear anything we can't clean it up we did
clean it up varying reports uh according to bustle.com at least nine different agencies took a
look at this regarding Steve Thomas I find him to be I believe him to be is what I should say a reputable detective
if he says this is what they found I do put put some weight to that where I won't go all in on his
statement is this has never been presented in the court of law and therefore I have to go with his word but
at the same time he's saying that all these other different agencies couldn't find anything or couldn't decipher what
was being said right and I like I said I think you could start saying that you you hear
these words and then you start hearing those words and if you take a different term then maybe you start hearing that
term and the audio is just not clear and there's just not the technology to clean
it up to the point where it's definitive that there is another voice I also again
or at least to the point that it's been played in that manner for the public right but I don't understand what the
gotcha moment would be that if they a moment I would believe that would be that Burke was
awake that is a very that's a very uh pivotal moment in this case if he was think it is but why would they lie about
that I'm not saying that they again what I have read from several FBI agents when they say this
misremembering or switching up the order of which you did something might not be so nefarious it just simply
might be you have blocked that out that people sometimes when they see their their
child dead for the next couple hours it's all a blur and that's very it's a very good
possibility in this case and so this idea where people go well Burke wasn't up well at 552 you check on him is it
possible that there's commotion he comes down says something you tell him to go to his room whatever and you misremember
and since you misremember then you double down on on this because we know that we know at some point they become a
suspect and then it seems like they double down on a lot of lot of things and I'm just saying what does it prove I
don't think it proves anything other than the possibility that they are lying and I would really call into question
what is actually going on in that household and what are they pretending to be doing or pretending is going on if
they are in fact lying about Burke being awake yeah but I to me it would matter more if it was something where it's like
we kind of hear a third voice saying hey did you find my sister I killed her you
know or something to that effect but a kid going oh what did you find this again the only thing like you said which
I agree it I find it very difficult that they I find it very difficult that they
would misremember this I find it more so that it points out that they're lying when you have some something that
indicates possible deception you then have to call everything else into question it it doesn't make them look so
credible going forward the other issue that I take with this is then it calls into question well
if in fact you are telling the truth and he slept through the whole thing why didn't you wake him up to ask him any
questions he possibly could have seen something or heard something or offered something of value for the investigation
or to the parents who at that point should be calling for help also should be looking for their daughter or
searching the home well again with the best technology I think it's too difficult to clean up to say for certain
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and Barbara Fernie there is some dispute about who was called first but regardless due to other events in this
timeline we know that the calls were made before 550 9 a.m. as we go forward with the timeline
let's keep in mind that there are different reports having different details within the timeline there are a
lot of moving pieces and a lot of witnesses providing information to fill out that timeline so we will try to
deliver this portion in the most clear and concise manner that we can at 5:59 a.m. Boulder Police Officer Rick French
arrives on the scene he arrives at the home of John and pany Ramsey just before 6:00 a.m. in a BPD Boulder Police
Department marked car what is not in dispute is that the fact that officer French was the first law enforcement
officer to arrive at the Ramsey house most reports would have officer French arriving at
559 this is based around him arriving 7 minutes after the 911 call which 911 logged that call at 552
some reports have French arriving earlier and he could have but that would have to mean that the 911 call log is
not correct at approximately 6:00 a.m. officer French reads the ransom letter in a story based on reading the police
reports Newsweek reporters claim French read The Ransom note and later conducted
a quick search of the house in contrast other reports claim French did the house
search first and then read The Ransom note French himself stated in a Vanity Fair interview that after being greeted
by paty on arrival John Ramsay directed me through the house and pointed out a three-page handwritten note which was
laid on the wooden floor just west of the kitchen area sometime after 6 a.m. officer
French searched the basement another report States French immediately searched the house looking for a point
of entry only after he did that search he read The Ransom note detective Steve Thomas's account is far different in
terms of timing stating with detectives finally on the scene they arrived at 810
a.m. according to Thomas to handle Witnesses French checked the garage and lower levels of the house looking for
places through which the kidnapper might have carried off the child he found none
the house was messy but he saw no sign of a struggle that last account comes from the leading detective Steve Thomas
but let's keep in mind while he was one of the leading detectives on the case he
was not present at the Ramsey home on the day in question regardless of the exact timing of this search it is
important to note according to police reports that during the search the officer fails to search what Ramsay's
and later everyone else would would refer to as the wine seller room from the police reports in French's search of
the basement quote he came to a door secured with a wooden latch he paused for a moment in front of the door but
walked away end quote he does not enter this room which would later be called into question right in the police report
French filed he says he didn't open the wine seller room door because he was looking for exits the kidnapper might
have used this door he deemed to be secure he noticed the latch was on the wrong side
of the door this meaning for someone leading out of the house right so he kept moving this is the windowless room
that is referred to as the cellar room and French does not know that there's no windows in that room that's not why he
doesn't open that door what he determines is that it would be physically impossible for someone to to
close the door behind them and secure the latch once in the room right because the latch would be on the opposite side
of the door while this is all going on Sergeant reinbach arrives and conducts a search I want to go through this a
little bit here Captain because as said there's a lot of moving pieces and the timing of all of this stuff seems to
vary depending on who you talk to what I think is important to know going forward
is most of what I would consider to be the key events I believe them all to have
actually happened what you would call into question is the timing of those events right not if they occurred or not
it seems like all of the a all of the possible Witnesses would claim that all of these things do in fact happen it's
just in what order and when right so I put in here Sergeant Reichenbach arrives and conducts a search of the home home
the reason why I put it in here is because if you go from John Douglas's information he states that both Sergeant
Reichenbach and officer French searched the home before this next event happened this next event is marked at
6:03 a.m. or minutes after 6 this is when friends Fleet and Priscilla white arrive at the Ramsey
house within 15 minutes of their arrival according to Mr White's later testimony
he alone searched the basement Fleet white said when he went downstairs to look for John Benet ramsy
the lights were already on in the basement Fleet white then searches the train room or what he would call the
playroom he testified that a window in the basement playroom or train room was broken under the broken window Mr White
states there was a suitcase case along with a broken Shard of glass he does not however remember whether the window was
open or closed there is a report that States Fleet white moved this suitcase and placed it under the window some
reports state that this window was open some say it was closed Fleet white also opened the door to the wine seller room
but he could not see anything inside because it was dark remember there's no windows in this room right and he could
not find the lights switch anybody that's familiar with this home and the layout of the home one thing that's
always been called into question is that the light switch for this wine seller room is in a strange spot it's not in
that go-to spot that one would immediately turn to naturally to flip on the light right he doesn't see anything
and he said he closed the door and secured the latch now according to Steve Thomas he says at 6:30 a.m. Fleet white
searches the the basement same incident with a slightly different time and description of observations Thomas's
notes state that within approximately 10 to 15 minutes of his arrival Fleet white
searched the basement of the Ramsay's residence he noticed that the lights were on saw the broken window in the
train room and looked for broken glass and found a small piece of glass the latch on the window was in the unlocked
position and his impression was that the window was closed he looked in the wine
cellar but could not see anything and went back upstairs at 6:10 a.m. Boulder Police Department Officer Carl V
responds to the scene Captain we do need to point out here that contrary to normal protocol the police did not seal
off the home of the ramies yeah they missed a lot of things with protocol yeah in other words any person in the
Ramsey house could and did move freely throughout the home at this time this includes officers and the ramsy and the
whites as we know Fleet white at some point even though in dispute of the exact timing did search the lower level
of the home well anytime that there's a a victim that is that young of age and then you have a ransom note or a
kidnapping situation what I've heard is that you're supposed to go okay let's prove this
Theory first that the that the child is not in the house that something didn't happen this in this house and we're not
trying to cover it up with with this tactic and obviously we they didn't do that they just assumed that this is a
kidnapping a typical kidnapping and and and we're going to trust the parents on this one and and move forward so there's
a few things in that very same regard that I find to be interesting based off of witness statements and this includes
law enforcement and civilians we have the two officers that Douglas says search the home before Fleet
white both of them state that they're looking for exit points from the house so that means you're going to be
searching probably the basement and the ground level this might lead them to have no reason if that's in fact what
they are searching for this might lead them to not have cause to search the second floor and of
course the third floor right the other thing we have Fleet white he states that he is looking for John Benet Ramsay he's
he states that his purpose of searching the home was to look for the little girl
this based off of a real life situation that that he experienced where I believe
it was his daughter was missing and she was just hiding somewhere right you know
it was just one of those parental scare moments that people have the difference here
is he would there's a ransom note but I don't believe if if you believe Fleet White's account he very likely would
have no knowledge of this Ransom note before he went off on his search right the other thing though Captain where you
talked about protocol and and the missteps by the Boulder Police Department The Ransom note says do not
contact the police and one standard bit of protocol I would guess here I'm I'm making an assumption I do not know this
to be true uhhuh it seems very strange to me that when you are reporting a kidnapping with a ransom
note that Boulder responds by sending a marked police car to the scene that's the first car that shows up it seems to
me like it would be more beneficial to that exact situation if you would send at least a detective in an unmarked car
right so a lot of things going on here I I I say all that but I also question current Day present day even
1996 how much experience would a police department have with a kidnapping and a ransom note that's kind of an old school
crime I I wonder how often the these Protocols are taught I know that they have kidnappings and they deal with
abductions and missing persons cases but one in fact where there's a ransom note
saying hey this person's going to die unless you give us this money I just find it so strange how many people the
parents called to say hey look John B is missing come over come to the house yeah
just after 10:00 a.m. is when family friend John Fernie arrives his his wife Barbara Fernie came later and that's
reported as just before 6:20 a.m. so we have Fleet White prisc white John Fernie
Barbara Fernie all at the Ramsey house as of 6:20 a.m. this is about a half hour after the 911 call is placed right
we also need to keep in mind that not only do we have all these extra civilians in the house but we also have
several officers that have arrived they're trying to assess what's going on they're talking to John they're talking
to paty and what John says is that after he was aware that something was wrong that he did check the first floor doors
he found them all to be locked he says that the ramsy in fact had a security system but it was not engaged and that
their dog stayed at a friend's house that night the dog was not in the house the night in question John said he saw
no signs of forced entry and the ramsy say they heard nothing during that night yeah but this is where it gets kind of
messed up though cuz you have a situation where a police officer sees marks on like the kitchen
door or like the the outside door that would go into the kitchen and they look like fresh like like this is maybe
attempt to break into your house and John Ramsey kind of dismisses these like well I don't know if those
are new or old because he has this habit of one forgetting his keys and just breaking stuff to get into his own house
mhm and not fixing it so that makes this situation even more difficult yeah and I believe they find
those marks the the following day now just before 6:45 a.m. John Ramsey calls the pilot remember they're supposed to
be getting on an airplane John Ramsey leaves a message for his Pilot this is Michael archeleta
who then Returns the call a few minutes later and pany answers the phone I don't
have record of what was stated I'm guessing based off of things that Michael archeleta would later say that
it was simply a call to say hey something's wrong something's going on here we're not making that that plane
right at 6:45 a.m. officer Sue Barlow arrives at the Ramsay's house about the same time victim Advocates arrive at the
Ramsay's house they are called in as they are Advocates trained in helping families through traumatic
situations when they arrive apparently they arrived with bagels and coffee Priscilla white about the same
time calls her niece who is back at the Whit's house we will know what that call
is about in a bit at 6:50 a.m. officer Weiss and officer barklow were photographing and fingerprinting areas
of the house officer vich had collected The Ransom note at 7 a.m. Burke Ramsey is awakened
and dressed there are two different accounts of how this went down but they're both
very similar One account states that it was John Ramsey Fleet white and Mr Fernie right who woke up the young boy
and got him dressed and got him ready to go the other story states that it was just Fleet white and John
ramsy at 7:13 a.m. Reverend R htoo from St John's Episcopal Church arrives at the Ramsay's home this is their Reverend
this is the church that they attend after the Reverend arrives 9-year-old Burke Ramsay is taken by Fleet white and
John Fernie to pick up the Fernie children presumably at the Fernie home and then taken to the whites
home there was some interaction action during this whole movement of Burke let's call it right where police want to
ask Burke if he saw anything remember right now we are investigating a kidnapping of a little girl that
occurred inside of a home where there was three other people that night three potential Witnesses whether they saw
something heard something right what the officer is told from all the and I'm using air quotes here Captain General
accounts that I have seen states that John Ramsay instructs the officer that Burke was sleeping the
entire night and he saw and heard nothing basically he has nothing to offer to this
investigation at an unknown time John Ramsey apparently searches the basement Mr Ramsey also searched this basement
area alone According to some stories he testified that he found the broken window partially opened under the broken
window Mr Ramsey also saw the same suitcase seen earlier by Mr White Mr Ramsey testified that the suitcase
belonged to his family but was normally stored in a different place Mr Ramsey then returned upstairs in his 1998
testimony John Ramsey provided several different times for when he searched the basement on his own he first States
quote it would have been that time period 7 to9 and later reiterates it was probably sometime between 7 and 9 when
asked whether it was before after the whites and the feres arrived John stated quote I think it was after because they
came fairly early he then reiterated quote the best I can do is it was I believe after the police came because
they had gone through the house before I figured out what I'm going to do it was
before 10:00 they had already done some preparation before that so it would have
been before probably before 9: so then somewhere between 7 and 9 but when reminded that the ransom letter said a
call would come between 8 and 10 a.m. right John is basing these answers off of that he was misremembering that the call
was going to come between 10: and 12 10:00 a.m. in noon right as he had supposed John made clear that he had
visited the basement prior to that time since he States quote when we were ready
for the phone call I was prepped about what I was going to say and I was getting the family ready and so between
that period of time we were just waiting for the phone call and I was near the phone and I was either in the study or
on the first floor I was just waiting for it referring to the call and this is one of the biggest
problems with the whole damn case is the the misremembering and the eyewitness accounts from everybody it's almost like
you have to kind of throw most of them away because they don't line up with other people's accounts mhm and and but
also this is because you first have to go into to the scene and determine whether or not it's a kidnapping if they
would have done their due diligence there they would have found John benay Ramsay and the wine seller once they
find her in the wine seller now you have to lock off this scene now it's a crime
and now what we need to do is try to because we know it's like 12 to one that somebody that young if not more uh
percentage is higher that somebody in her family killed her so now you have to separate the three that were in the
house and start questioning them right away and this is not done by law enforcement yeah there look and I hate
to come down hard on Boulder Police Department because this is a strange situation nobody can doubt that after we
know what we currently know it's going to get even stranger but where I kind of fault them is I feel
like me you and some of our garage friends could have showed up to this home and done somewhat of a better job
just being uneducated individuals that are just guessing as we go yeah I think the difficult thing here is that you
have quote unquote grieving parents and so therefore again it becomes one of those things where it's it easier said
than done where you have to assume that that nobody's telling you the truth from
the get-go and and and let the evidence tell you what to believe but I think that's hard to do when you have this
mother uh crying and and and kind of causing a scene well there you're giving us too much credit I'm not even taking
it to that level of sophistication I just mean if you show up to what is deemed or believe to be at the time a
kidnapping that I feel like there are already missteps just for the just for that kidnapping not even based off of
anything else that we will figure out uh any of the events to come so I do want to point out by this time and it is
reported again I apologize to everybody but I can't make this stuff up this is what's out there this is the information
that's out there this is what we have to deal with there are varying times on this statement as well but I believe
that by this time I believe the earlier statement that by this time in our time frame roughly we are around the
7ish to 7:30 Mark mhm by this time they have done one well two things that were very smart
and that you would do in a ransom type situation by this point they have set up a trap and trace on the Ramsay's home
phone and they've also stopped all police radio communic regarding the kidnapping this is important for several
reasons we have individuals that that claim or at least the note will claim that they want a ransom for the safe
return of this little girl they very likely could be monitoring police scanners listening into what calls are
going on to see if the ramsy in fact did contact the police and what the police are doing what is their movements what
is their strategy at this time so they canel all police radio communications and now they are going to communicate
via phone which that's going to complicate matters because they're not used to doing that and not everybody has
a phone on their person but that's what they have to deal with now going through all of those
things that John Ramsey said about the timing of when he searched the home on his own searched the basement on his own
we go through that it's a bit tedious but you have to go through it because there's going to be a lot of questions
about what he could have been doing during that time or when he in fact searched the home by himself we included
all of his words so that you know that we're not just making this up this comes from actual words this is from evidence
this is from his statements that he put out himself now if he's giving us a 2hour Time window when he believes that
the ransom call was going to come in between 10 and 12 and he's saying well happened before that it must have been
between 7 and 9 you almost wonder if you have to back that up a whole hour because he's off on when the Call's
supposed to come in the Call's supposed to come in between 8 and 10 and he's saying that he's being he
remembers being prepped at some point and this would be in his recollection around the time that the call was
supposed to come in you have to prep the guy before the Call Comes in right all right so let's simplify some of this
roughly about 7:00 they're going to wake up Burke they're going to get him dressed they're going to take him to the
whites at the same time roughly at the same time about 7:00 to 7:13 we have the Reverend showing up so he's going to get
to the house and then at some point between 7 and 8 probably closer to 7 because John Ramsey has to be prepped
for the call which should be coming in from 8 to 10: he searches the home he searches the
home in his own words it's just the timing he gives is weird and wrong because of two things one of two things
either he's not remembering the events clearly or he's lying or he's lying right but either way this would put his
search before for the police officer search and so now roughly about 7:30 and we're looking at um 30 minutes
before a call possibly could come in the ransom amount is assembled they collect
the $118,000 at 7:33 a.m. a can9 unit is put on standby this is interesting Captain
because they never use this K9 unit they just put one on standby by I don't know
if they were waiting for the ransom call to come in before they utiliz this K9 unit or what was going to take place but
you feel like if you know the child was sleeping in her bed at some point that you bring in that canine unit if you're
trying to figure out how that kidnapper got out of the home yeah bring the dog in let him sniff around the bed and see
if the if this canine unit is going to lead you through the home right but that would make some sense and this case has
none the Boulder Police Department does not seem to be in the business of doing things that make sense no at 8: a.m.
neighbor Scott Gibbons got up and observed a basement door to the Ramsay home was standing wide open there's been
some debate about this Open Door not that it he saw it and not that it was open it's just by this point you've had
so many people moving around through the home and checking doors and going about
Police business or what have you well and this anybody could have left this door open yeah this
is possibly that door that I was telling you in one of the reports I saw where the cops found a back door open so this
could be the that back door that you're talking about correct so this is where I
think we can back up John Ramsay's statement of what time he was searching the home by himself or the basement by
himself because he seems to recall even though he can't figure out the time that
it was before he would have been prepped for the ransom call the next item on our
timeline plays to that so at 8:10 a.m. we have detective Patterson and detective Linda AR arrive at the Ramsey
home AR is this uh crazy eyes yes okay Officer Rick French gave them an updated briefing at this time we have Steve
Thomas' notes that states that the two detectives arrived um at this time as well so this seems to be generally
confirmed or at least believed by multiple people on the scene detective aren't monitored incoming calls to the
Ramsay's residents that was her first Duty afterward detective aren't instructed John Ramsay regarding the
call the instructions were how he should handle the call when it comes in first to keep talking or keep the caller
talking long enough enough to trace the call and maybe even more important demand to talk to John Benet yeah but
why this is all going on we have the Ramsay's friends that are over to try to help them out they start cleaning the
kitchen yeah some of the notes state that this was the victim's Advocates that were cleaning the kitchen either
way it's it's a big no no especially if it would be The Advocates that were brought in by the Boulder Police
Department at 8:36 a.m. John Andrew and Melinda Ramsay boarded a Delta flight to
Minneapolis at 9:27 a.m. detective bfield contacted Gary maramman for a list of the employees at access Graphics
yeah basically by doing this they're rounding up people that they think are possible suspects at 10:00 a.m. no one
including the Ramsay mentions to detective Linda art that the suspected kidnappers failed to call during the
designated time period right Steve Thomas very astutely points out a very interesting thing here that
that that's very kind of difficult to put your finger on and that is the letter which we are
going to dive into the letter states that we will contact you tomorrow between 8:00 a.m.
and 10:00 a.m. the problem with that is we do know not know what time John Benet
was kidnapped meaning if the letter was constructed and she was kidnapped before
midnight then 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. tomorrow would be just that very day on the
26th right if it was after midnight the kidnapper may have meant 8:00 a.m. and 10: a.m. on the 27th right I mean
this is this is this can't make this stuff up about this case regardless what I find interesting here though Captain
is if I'm one of the parents of this missing girl and I've been prepped on a ransom call and how to handle that
call when that time expires I'm going to be panicking why didn't they call why didn't they call yeah do they know law
here yeah I'm not going to put any thought into what day they were supposed to call or what day they meant I'm going
to go off of I'm panicked I haven't heard I'm supposed to get some instruction on how to get my daughter
back right or I'd use my brain and say okay they didn't call I'm a little worried but does that mean that they're
going to call tomorrow is you know is the note stating tomorrow you see what I mean like somebody should mention
something according to Steve Thomas's notes um at 10:30 at approximately 10:30 is exactly
what he states to detectives Linda art and Fred Patterson they sealed off John benet's bedroom about time yeah it's
about time that done that way to go pat yourself on the back at 10:30 a.m. after
doing this all additional police officers and the victim Advocates this is everyone law enforcement sent to the
home other than Linda art they leave the Ramsay residence so that means we now have
Linda art at the home one detective one member of law enforcement one single person yeah
with paty Ramsay John Ramsay the whites the feres and the Reverend well the Ramsay really liked her though even
though she has crazy eyes the ramsy it seemed like they felt comfortable with her well I just wanted to point out that
we have one law enforcement member here and seven individuals seven civilians in
a big giant house there are things working at the police station during this time right however how could the
officers and the other detectives there's a sergeant amongst them all decide to leave and only leave one
officer there with seven people this to me seems like pure Insanity on behalf of
the Boulder Police Department and totally unfair to one of their own unfair to detective Linda aren't yeah
but she's going to tell two different stories so I don't want I don't think we need to
get into too much detail but it seems like initially she's like yeah they were cooperative and I was trying to help
them out and they were talking to me and then it seems like years later she changes her story and that that that's
where she has that famous interview where she's saying and I was holding my gun and counting my bullets you know
it's like one why are you counting your bullets and why are you afraid none of these people have guns
yeah I just think it's that whole move is totally unfair to detective 't by her fellow officers to leave her there by
herself well to be fair nobody wanted to be seen with her crazy eyes it's too much for one officer to handle we got
seven people moving around a crime scene but they're not right but and then on top of that it
still has not been designated a crime scene by law enforcement I mean they yes they blocked off haven't
we agreed that that's one of the problems yes big problem yeah that's a big problem here's a continued another
misstep by the Boulder Police Department now we're going to leave just one of our
officers here to yeah okay so the thought at the time is yes there was a kidnapping maybe she
doesn't need to be monitoring everybody inside the home but maybe that should have been in consideration one and two
we've cut off radio communications yep what if the ransom call comes in you've left 30 minutes
after the call was supposed to come in it just makes it makes absolutely zero absolute zero sense we have one officer
there she'll handle it yeah that makes no sense between 10:40 a.m. and around noon John Ramsey is unaccounted for what
this means is that Linda aren't the only officer on the scene does not know where
this man is during this time frame doesn't he go to check his mail or something that his that was the rumor
that was the story that came out early in this whole big mess who gives a [ __ ]
who gives a [ __ ] about your mail well that's what people point to people say this man did not care that his daughter
was missing at the time did not care that a ransom call could come in because he left the home to check the mail Linda
art kind of makes an assumption here remember she cannot account for him she accounts for him around noon she says
when she sees John sitting by himself and he's reading some type of Correspondence some maybe a letter or
something she makes the assumption that he left to go get the mail we know years
later that that is in fact we can't say in fact but I would guess very likely untrue that he left the home to get the
mail the the mail slot was in the in the front door the mail comes into the home
you don't have to leave the home so he could have very well picked up the mail or just picked something up from his
desk tried to occupy his mind we don't know what we do know is he is unaccounted for roughly for an hour she
doesn't know where he is Linda does not know where he is again that look that's not the fault of the family that's the
fault of law enforcement for leaving one officer behind not being able to keep an
eye on everybody but it's interesting because the other adults in the home are accounted for during this time now we
have Linda art who is left with a cell phone this is her method that she's been told she needs to use to communicate
with her fellow officers mhm during this time she feels like she's losing control
of all the people there losing control of the scene if you want to call it that and she sends two her eyebrows and eyes
she sends two p pages to officers requesting backup that she would like for them to call you know you send a
page they respond she was going to tell them I need some additional officers here I'm
outnumbered and I wonder what made her look I'm not saying that she's telling one story and then saying another that's
what I said before but what but that's what it kind of seems like but maybe there was something that happened
happened during being there by yourself that she went wait a second something's not right here
and that's when she started calling for backup yeah twice she called well she sent a page both times they went they
didn't respond to them she never had the opportunity to ask for backup she's asking for backup Captain because she
feels she's lost control of the scene she's lost control of the all these people that are there she's supposed to
babysit them she knows for a fact that one of them John R is unaccounted for for a certain period of time yeah around
1:00 Heather Cox she is at the White's home she answers the phone and she is told by Priscilla white to bring Burke
Ramsey back to the Ramsey home uhhuh now at around 12:30 again we have John Ramy according to Linda art
sitting by himself she decides and again there I apologize there's several different versions of this
story but she says that around just before 1:00 she wanted to give Jon something to do so she asked Jon to
search the house some stories say that she approached Fleet white and asked him to
get Jon to go with him to search the house I actually think these varied stories in this particular situation
could be extremely important based off of what people's suspicions will be because of their movements and what
people will come to the defense of John Ramsay in those suspicions yeah but really this case should be called John
Benet Ramsey close enough good enough for jazz right I mean because every story has a combating
story yeah because the people telling you the story other than us they all seem to have an axe to grind right
they've concluded what happened they figured out what has happened and they're going to sell it and spin it to
you in that manner we're going to try to give you the story from all the different angles and let you decide what
took place yeah now I'm going to really try to sum this but I'm not going to let
you decide on her crazy eyes definitively she has crazy eyes to sum it up here captain in the the shortest form either
aren't asked Fleet white to search the home with John or she asked John and then John took Fleet white with
him this is interesting because of what we will learn and we'll get into that eventually regardless of how this goes
down of who asked who Steve Thomas says that they were instructed to search the house from top to bottom however John
opted to head directly to the basement instead mhm according to Steve Thomas's notes John Ramsay LED Fleet white to the
basement where they first went to the train room and examined the broken window and John said he broke it a few
months ago they searched for glass on the floor the men next searched a shower stall located in the basement Mr Ramsey
then noticed a fireplace grate propped in front of a closet and Mr White white moved the great so the closet could be
searched upon finding nothing unusual in the closet the men proceeded to the wine
seller room 1:04 p.m. this is the time given in Steve Thomas's notes Mr Ramsey entered the room first turned on the
light and upon discovering John benet's dead body he shouted something in regards to that Discovery there is
another version out there that states Ramsay shouted actually before turning on the light this is called into
question because remember we have Fleet white who says he went into that very same room earlier couldn't find the
light and did not see anything joban had black duct tape covering her mouth a cord around her
neck that was attached to a wooden garat and her hands were bound over her head in front of her she was covered by a
light colored blanket the blanket covered her torso but not her head arms or legs John Ramsay ripped the duct tape
from John benet's mouth and attempted to free her hands of the bindings Fleet white came running up the stairs yelling
call 911 call 911 he then runs to the back office located on the first floor grabbing a telephone but remember we
have detective Linda art is still in the home at this point so using the cell phone she calls 911 and John Ramsay
which is carrying John Benet up the stairs he then sets her down and for some reason detective AR is going to
pick her back up and carry her into a different room the living room by the Christmas tree this is where John Ramsay
kneels beside the body and repeatedly says something like my little angel over and over again friends had to carry py
Ramsey because she's too stunned to walk over to the body yeah and the next Part
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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the 911 call and police response in the JonBenét Ramsey case, highlighting key events and discrepancies in the investigation.

Key points

The 911 Call. Patsy Ramsey calls 911 reporting her daughter is missing, revealing a ransom note.
Background Noise Analysis. Experts analyze the 911 call, suggesting a third voice may have been present.
The Arrival of Officer French. Officer French arrives at the Ramsey home shortly after the 911 call, marking a critical moment in the investigation.
Conflicting Accounts of the Search. Different reports emerge regarding the timing and actions of Officer French during the initial search of the Ramsey home.
Burke Ramsey Awakened. Burke Ramsey is awakened and dressed by family friends, marking a significant moment in the timeline.
The Missteps of the Investigation. The investigation into the kidnapping faced numerous missteps, including misremembered timelines and unaccounted individuals.

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