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foreign Little Miss Colorado six-year-old murder victim JonBenet Ramsey unknown intruder
brother [Applause] [Music] JonBenet Ramsey foreign [Music] [Music] all right please explain to me what's
going on okay a note was left in your daughter is Young how old is your daughter
[Applause] I don't know I just put someone else oh my God these kids are saying each other
so I don't know there's a ransom note here it's a ransom note it says it's fbtc victory
please okay what's your name are you coming oh my God foreign do you know how long she's been gone
please we just got out some shoes on here please I am honey please take a deep breath
away okay hurry hurry [Applause] Patty [Applause] [Music] thank you for the beautiful trailer for
this week here captain and thank you for playing Patsy's 9-1-1 call now just to clear up any type of confusion I think
we should jump right into as a transcript of that 9-1-1 call so we can all have a clear understanding what is
said on both ends from the 9-1-1 operator as well as Patsy Ramsey when 9-1-1 picks up the call Patsy
Ramsey says police 9-1-1 what's going on ma'am Patsy Ramsey 755 15th Street what's going on there ma'am Patsy we
have a kidnapping hurry please 9-1-1 explain to me what's going on okay Patsy there we have a there's a note
left and our daughter's gone 9-1-1 a note was left and your daughter's gone Patsy yes
9-1-1 how old is your daughter she is six years old she's blonde six years old how long ago was this Patsy I don't know
I just got the note and my daughter's gone 9-1-1 does it say who took her Patsy what 9-1-1 does it say who took
her Patsy no I don't know there's a there's a ransom note here 9-1-1 it's a ransom note Patsy it says
sbtc Victory please 9-1-1 okay what's your name are you Kathy Patsy Ramsey I'm the mother oh my
God please 9-1-1 okay I'm sending an officer over okay Patsy please 9-1-1 do you know how long she's been
gone no I don't please we just got up and she's not here oh my God please 9-1-1 okay Cal
Patsy please send somebody 9-1-1 I am honey Patsy please 9-1-1 take a deep breath in Patsy
she says hurry hurry hurry 9-1-1 says Patsy Patsy Patsy at the start of this call it appears that Patsy Ramsey is
asking for the police now we only hear her say police there are some reports that state that that is inaudible that
we cannot tell what Patsy is saying in that first line yeah and there's some people that speculate that she actually
goes to say ambulance and cuts herself off and says please she's immediately asked what is going on
to which she responds giving her a dress again what is going on there ma'am she states we have a kidnapping hurry please
what I decipher from this very quick little snippet at the beginning of the call is
I kind of think good and bad when we look at the the scales of Justice in regards to
Patsy Ramsey she's doing exactly what I would expect a mother who is terrified what could be
going on her daughter is gone and found a ransom note right she is asking for the type of help that she needs police
she is asking she is stating where she is located and immediately just stating the problem at hand we have a kidnapping
and then asking hurry please we've gone through a lot of these 9-1-1 calls over the years yeah they drive me nuts one
thing that I've always called into question is when we have a lengthy call and the person is failing to ask for
help to respond to the situation until later in the call right here this call roughly
is about I was trying to time it it's roughly it's a little over a minute I'm 42 seconds or something and we have
within seven seconds of the call she is actually asking for help she's asking for someone to respond to the scene
right so I think a good sign for Patsy where I say that I think a bad sign for Patsy is
and this might be just too much speculation on my part but it almost appears to me in somewhat
of a manner that she believed that she could ask for the type of help that she wants police or ambulance
she states where they are located and states the problem at hand the kidnapping part of me wonders if she
thought that the conversation was going to go any further than that right that okay now I'm off the hook I've made this
call I've told them the help that we need let's wait for them to respond very good here we have the 911 operator
asking again explain to me what is going on okay one thing that I will point out that I
think is good for Patsy Ramsey here is and what do you mean good good in the sense that let's say she's innocent of
any wrongdoing she goes immediately into we have a there's a note left in our daughter's
gone meaning where my first suspicion was that this this conversation was going to
be over as soon as she said there's a kidnapping please hurry right then she's asked what is going on she
without hesitation goes into what is going on she doesn't stumble you know like I would expect somebody that has a
lot to hide to possibly stumble at that point in the conversation a lot up yeah a lot of uh uh um and then there's
several back and forth about you know our daughter's gone and there's a note here she gives a brief description
it's six years old she's blonde she's a six-year-old girl yeah a lot of people give her a check mark in the in the
guilty column for never saying her daughter's name but In fairness to Patsy Ramsey she's
never asked what the daughter's name is how old is she correct what's your name correct and then we do have a portion
here where I find it interesting that 9-1-1 is okay what's your name are you Kath
so there are several there's several um versions of this call out there right I find this one to be the most complete
one that I have seen and so I'm going with this one I hear her say The Operators say are you Cath
which just I find that interesting because it doesn't she doesn't seem to know where the call is coming from at
that time almost like she's going to ask her are you Kathleen or Kathy right but yeah I I think it's probably just
inaudible and and that's the closest somebody could put down to decipher so I have Patsy Ramsey of course she's
asking for help numerous times asking that they please hurry numerous times throughout this call but even in this
very short call six or seven seconds into it is the first time that she asked for help and then again around the 42nd
Mark and basically the whole second half of the call is her asking for help or for them to please hurry so where I
always stand on those is if we have a situation where somebody calls 9-1-1 and they are not asking for help because
that's essentially that's all 9-1-1 is there for for you to call and request help
assistance of some sort yeah my issue with a lot of these 9-1-1 calls is is just the
the lack of calmness and and obviously that's easier said than done but yes you read the note you yelled for
your husband you ran to your husband you had some kind of conversation with your
husband he reads the note then he says hey call police which one out of the two individuals we know which one's calmer
John Ramsey so maybe you should call because like you said after you ask for help maybe that's where you think it
should stop it's normally where it doesn't stop so 911 is going to keep you or whoever
calls on the line as long as they can unless you have really good reason to not be on the call
yeah this this call also gets put into question because I would think when you start talking to
somebody and saying hey we have an emergency here's where we're at by me talking to you the reason why they
keep you on the phone is to start calming you down so as you as the call progresses
Patsy doesn't get more calm I think this to me is either a sign that she's Faking It
and she's a drama queen or this is happening in real time when this happens so quickly and as
they're asking her questions she's still processing the fact that her kid is gone
and what the hell are we going to do yeah and one of the things that I find really interesting and I believe John
Douglas talks about this is one of the key things that he believes that she didn't know much about
the note and we'll go get to the note later but a lot of people speculate that she wrote
it well if she wrote it and they said who's the note from that if she was really familiar with the
note she would have just said sbtc but it's almost like she has to flip to that part of the note
and then she reads from down to upwards she reads sbtc that makes no sense so she goes to
the next word to try to find the answer sbtc nope that's not a good answer victory
oh that's not a good answer either see what I'm saying so if somebody is more familiar with the note they they
probably wouldn't have read from down to up probably when it had to flip to the back uh to the third page to find the
answer that's assuming that that she's doing that but it sounds like the way she's describing things on that 9-1-1
call it sounds as if that is in fact what she is doing yeah it'd be very good acting I would think if she's faking
that well you said drama queen I do believe she took some drama courses be it in high school or college but here's
what it drives me nuts is like on the we're always constantly going well here's how I would have reacted or this
is how I think somebody should react where because if you did if John Ramsey called and said
my name is John Ramsey my my daughter JonBenet Ramsey's missing she's six years old she's blonde she's about
however tall that they would persecute him for being too calm and not be an emotional enough right
well I to me I don't try to look too much into the to try to figure out the emotions of the
person making the call I never do that my whole thing is just I always question when they are finally
asking for help because that's that's what 9-1-1 is it's truly a Lifeline it is their only
to be asking for help and when somebody is in a situation as severe as this I expect them to be
asking for help very quickly in the call and the reason why I always reference that is because if it's a put on if
you're only calling 9-1-1 because you feel that that's what you are supposed to do or how you are supposed to act in
this situation and you in fact did something terrible then really you don't want help to show
up inside deep down inside you you're hoping it's delayed as possible because you don't want to have to explain
anything to anyone right because you don't want them to know what you've done so I always take that into account when
I when I listen to these I never try to listen to the emotion because as you very uh very well pointed out
we don't know how each one of us would behave or react to these different situations we there is no right way to
act or wrong way to behave on these calls and the call gets a little more interesting at the end
because there is no okay see you later or we'll be here waiting there's no end and that's where I
believe possibly at that point John Ramsey is trying to tell Patsy Ramsey something
there's something going on at that house that is pulling her attention away from
the phone call and and at that point going that minute and 40 some seconds on the
phone to that mother could have felt like an hour so she might have been like look I said
all I need to say now there's stuff going on here and now I'm talking to these individuals then the phone hangs
up and it's always been kind of a mystery what has been said at the end this is from a 2016 Story on bustle.com
there's long been debate over what exactly happened at the tail end of the of the recording with some arguing the
call did not immediately disconnect after Patsy hung up the receiver and that a third voice can be heard
the 911 tape has been analyzed nine times nine different times by everyone from the FBI to the U.S Secret Service
to professional audio Laboratories to CBS to an amateur internet sleuth neither the FBI or the Secret Service
have reported hearing a third Voice or any other extended conversation now if we back up a few years before
this 2016 story on bustle.com from Steve Thomas's book we have this from page 15.
the telephone call gave us a Cornerstone of evidence when he says us he means the
boulder detectives working the case not so much for what was easily heard but for what was found when experts
washed out the background noise it has been my experience as a police officer that such emergency calls are
virtually unchallengeable they are tape recorded and either something was said or it is not right
tapes can be so powerful that prosecutors regularly play them so a jury can hear the actual voices and
emotions of the participants in preliminary examinations detectives thought they could hear some more words
being spoken between the time Patsy Ramsey said hurry hurry hurry and when the call was terminated
however the FBI and the U.S Secret Service could not lift anything from the background noise on the tape
as a final effort several months later we contacted the electronic Wizards at the Aerospace Corporation in Los Angeles
and asked them to try to decipher The Sounds behind the noise their work produced a startling conclusion Patsy
apparently having trouble hanging up the telephone and before it rested in the Cradle she was heard to moan help me
Jesus help me Jesus her husband was heard to bark we're not talking to you and in the background was a young
sounding voice what did you find according to Steve Thomas he says this young sounding voice was
jonbenet's brother Burke the Ramses would repeatedly tell us again meaning the detectives that their
son did not wake up at any point throughout the night of the crime he says we knew differently yeah but
there's there's so many problems with all this I mean CBS did the analysis on this
to eliminate all the background noises nearly impossible so I don't care what kind of state of
the art system you have um it's that's just not how audio works there's distortions and and
things that are happening naturally because it's a phone call that you're not going to be able to eliminate
so and I again I think these are it's one of these dumb points that okay if you prove
that she's saying you know Jesus Jesus helped me Jesus or whatever and then you hear
in the background which I hear something like that and then I also hear some other noise
which they're claiming is John Ramsey and he's saying to then Burke and when you watch the CBS special I think they
do a good job to go okay that's possible there was also speculation for a couple years after that
that she was saying um what have I done so there's been all these you know different accounts of what she's saying
okay let's just say that you're saying what CBS is saying and and what what the detectives are saying is true
and then they came to you and said that well Burke wasn't up so we don't we don't know well we know
that Burke had to wake up at some point and we know that Burke was awake by the time the police got there
so what does it prove other than their misremembering and there's plenty of detectives and plenty of law enforcement
and plenty of FBI agents that have looked at this case and said you know just let's take a step back
when Patsy Ramsey says well I checked in on JonBenet and then I went down the steps
and then it later changes to I went down the steps saw the note then I went to check on her
that could be in that moment of trauma if she has no involvement and her daughter going missing she might never
remember which order it happened she is just telling you the best of her ability what she thinks
happened so take that same scenario uh Burke wasn't up when I was on the 9-1-1 call well maybe
you're misremembering maybe because of the trauma because of all the stuff going on in your head and in the house
that um he wasn't up when you went to make the call he was up when he hung up the phone
we'll continue along on the timeline as we go here but according to eyewitness reports Burke
Ramsay did not wake up until after police had arrived on the scene I want to jump back here Captain before we get
into this timeline a little more because I want to really focus in on something that you said regarding that that tail
end of the call what has been called into question and has been a debate of what was said if something was said and
what was really going on I think there's good reason to debate that I think there's good reason for
people to question what they believe that they're hearing part of it is the reports that are out there
depending on who you look at depends on what report you get on what is if in fact anything at the tail end of that
call right I personally cannot hear I hear something I can't hear the words that are said I
believe what I'm hearing is at least two different voices but I wouldn't say but to get I wouldn't
bet my I wouldn't bet the title of my vehicle on that I'm hearing three different voices I think I hear three
things going on but I don't know that for certain that I hear three different voices
so the way that this would work out is that Patsy didn't hang up the phone all the way and then these words are spoken
again I find it interesting that we have so many different let's call them scientists for a lack of
better words right so many different scientists coming out and saying oh we did this to the audio
we did that to the audio and this is what we heard oh we didn't hear anything we can't clean it up we did clean it up
varying reports according to bustle.com at least nine different agencies took a look at this
regarding Steve Thomas I find him to be I believe him to be is what I should say
a reputable Detective if he says this is what they found I do put some weight to that
where I won't go all in on his statement is this has never been presented in the
court of law and therefore I have to go with his word but at the same time he's saying that all these
other different agencies couldn't find anything or couldn't decipher what was being said
right and I like I said I think you could start saying that you you hear these words
and then you start hearing those words and if you take a different term then maybe you start hearing that term
and the audio is just not clear and there's just not the technology to clean it up to the point where it's definitive
that there is another voice I also again or at least to the point that it's been played in that manner for
the public right but I don't understand what the gotcha moment would be that if they've got you a moment I would
believe that would be that Burke was awake that that is a very that's a very uh pivotal moment in this case
but why would they lie about that I'm not saying that they I I again what I have read from several FBI agents when
they say this misremembering or switching up the order of which you did something
might not be so nefarious it just simply might be you have blocked that out that people
sometimes when they see their their child dead for the next couple hours it's all
a blur and that's very it's a very good possibility in this case and so this idea where people go well
Burke wasn't up well at 5 52 you check on him is it possible that there's commotion he comes down
says something you tell him to go to his room whatever and you misremember and since you misremembered then you double
down on on this because we know that we know at some point they become a suspect
and then it seems like they doubled down on a lot of a lot of things and I'm just
saying what does it prove I don't think it proves anything other than the possibility that they are lying
and I would really call into question what is actually going on in that household and what are they pretending
to be doing or pretending is going on if they are in fact lying about Burke being
awake yeah but I to me it would matter more if it was something where it's like we kind of hear our third voice saying
hey did you find my sister I killed her you know or something to that effect but
a kid going oh what did you find this again the only thing like you said which I agree
it I find it very difficult that they I find it very difficult that they would misremember this I find it more so that
it points out that they're lying when you have some something that indicates possible deception you then have to call
everything else into question it doesn't make them look so credible going forward
the other issue that I take with this is then it calls into question well if in fact you are telling the truth and he
slept through this whole thing why didn't you wake him up to ask him any questions he possibly could have seen
something or heard something or offered something of value for the investigation
or to the parents who at that point should be calling for help also should be looking for their daughter or
searching the home well again with the best technology I think it's too difficult to clean up to say for certain
what is said at the end of that tape [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] welcome back
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year's beer fund happy holidays out there to everyone in the garage Army after the 9-1-1 call the Ramses call
Fleet and Priscilla white and then call John and Barbara Fernie there is some dispute about who was called first but
regardless due to other events in this timeline we know that the calls were made before 5 59 A.M
as we go forward with the timeline let's keep in mind that there are different reports having different details within
the timeline there are a lot of moving pieces and a lot of witnesses providing information to fill out that timeline so
we will try to deliver this portion in the most clear and concise manner that we can
at 5 59 am Boulder Police Officer Rick French arrives on the scene he arrives at the home of John and Patsy Ramsey
just before 6 a.m and a BPD Boulder Police Department marked Carr what is not in dispute is that the fact
that officer French was the first law enforcement officer to arrive at the Ramsey house most reports would have
officer French arriving at 5 59 this is based around him arriving seven minutes after the 9-1-1 call which 9-1-1 logged
that call at 5 52. some reports have French arriving earlier and he could have but that would have to mean that
the 911 call log is not correct at approximately 6 A.M officer French reads the ransom letter in a story based
on reading the police reports Newsweek reporters claim French read The Ransom note and later conducted a quick search
of the house in contrast other reports claim French did the house search first and then read The Ransom note
French himself stated in a Vanity Fair interview that after being greeted by Patsy on arrival John Ramsey directed me
through the house and pointed out a three-page handwritten note which was laid on the wooden floor just west of
the kitchen area sometime after 6 a.m officer French searched the basement another report States French immediately
searched the house looking for a point of entry only after he did that search he read The Ransom note detective Steve
Thomas's account is far different in terms of timing stating with detectives finally on the scene they arrived at 8
10 a.m according to Thomas to handle Witnesses French checked the garage and lower levels of the house looking for
places through which the kidnapper might have carried off the child he found none
the house was messy but he saw no sign of a struggle that last account comes from the leading
detective Steve Thomas but let's keep in mind while he was one of the leading detectives on the case he was not
present at the Ramsay home on the day in question regardless of the exact timing of this
search it is important to note according to police reports that during the search
the officer fails to search what Ramses and later everyone else would refer to as The Wine Cellar room
from the police reports in French's search of the basement quote he came to a door secured with a
wooden latch he paused for a moment in front of the door but walked away and quote he does not enter this room which
would later be called into question right in the police report French filed he says he didn't open The Wine Cellar
room door because he was looking for exits the kidnapper might have used this door he deemed to be secure he noticed
the latch was on the wrong side of the door this meaning for someone leading out of the house right so he kept moving
this is the windowless room that is referred to as the cellar room and French does not know that there's no
windows in that room that's not why he doesn't open that door what he determines is that it would be
physically impossible for someone to close the door behind them and secure the latch once in the room right because
the latch would be on the opposite side of the door while this is all going on Sergeant Reichenbach arrives and
conducts a search I want to go through this a little bit here Captain because as said there's a
lot of moving pieces and the timing of all of this stuff seems to vary depending on who you talk to
what I think is important to know going forward is most of what I would consider
to be the key events I believe them all to have actually happened what you would call in a
question is the timing of those events right not if they occurred or not it seems like all of the all of the
possible Witnesses would claim that all of these things do in fact happen it's just in what order
and when right so I put in here Sergeant Reichenbach arrives and conducts a search of the home the reason why I put
it in here is because if you go from John Douglas's information he states that both Sergeant Reichenbach
and officer French searched the home before this next event happened this next event is marked at 603 am or
minutes after six this is when friends Fleet and Priscilla white arrive at the Ramsay house
within 15 minutes of their arrival according to Mr White's later testimony he alone searched the basement
Fleet white said when he went downstairs to look for JonBenet Ramsey the lights were already on in the basement
Fleet white then searches the train room or what he would call the playroom he testified that a window in the
basement playroom or train room was broken under the broken window Mr White states
there was a suitcase along with a broken Shard of glass he does not however remember whether the
window was open or closed there is a report that States Fleet white moved this suitcase and placed it
under the window some reports state that this window was open some say it was closed Fleet white
also opened the door to The Wine Cellar room but he could not see anything inside because it was dark remember
there's no windows in this room right and he could not find the light switch anybody that's familiar with this home
in the layout of the home one thing that's always been called into question is that the light switch for this wine
cellar room is in a strange spot it's not in that go-to spot that one would immediately turn to naturally to flip on
the light right he doesn't see anything and he said he closed the door and secured the latch now according to Steve
Thomas he says at 6 30 a.m Fleet white searches the basement same incident with a slightly different
time and description of observations Thomas's notes state that within approximately 10 to 15 minutes of his
arrival Fleet white searched the basement of the Ramsey's residence he noticed that the lights were on saw the
broken window in the train room and looked for broken glass and found a small piece of glass
the latch on the window was in the unlocked position and his impression was that the window was closed he looked in
The Wine Cellar but could not see anything and went back upstairs at 6 10 AM Boulder Police Department Officer
Carl Veach responds to the scene Captain we do need to point out here that contrary to normal protocol the police
did not seal off the home of the Ramses yeah they missed a lot of things with protocol yeah in other words any person
in the Ramsey house could and did move freely throughout the home at this time this includes officers and the Ramses
and the whites as we know Fleet white at some point even though in dispute of the
exact timing did search the lower level of the home well anytime that there's a victim that is that young of age and
then you have a ransom note or a kidnapping situation what I've heard is that you're supposed
to go okay let's prove this Theory first that like that the child is not in the house
that something didn't happen this in this house and we're not trying to cover it up with with this tactic
and obviously we they didn't do that they just assumed that this is a kidnapping a typical kidnapping and and
we're going to trust the parents on this one and and move forward so there's a few things in that very same regard that
I find to be interesting based off of witness statements and this includes law enforcement and civilians we have the
two officers that Douglas says searched the home before Fleet White both of them state that they're looking
for exit points from the house so that means you're going to be searching probably the basement and the ground
level this might lead them to have no reason if that's in fact what they are searching for
this might lead them to not have cause to search the second floor and of course the third floor right the other thing we
have Fleet white he states that he is looking for JonBenet Ramsey he's he states that his purpose of searching the
home was to look for the little girl this based off of a real life situation that that he experienced where I believe
it was his daughter was missing and she was just hiding somewhere right you know
it was just one of those parental scare moments that people have the difference here is
there's a ransom note but I don't believe if if you believe Fleet White's account he very likely would have no
knowledge of this Ransom note before he went off on his search right right the other thing though Captain
where you talked about protocol and the missteps by the Boulder Police Department
The Ransom note says do not contact the police and one standard bit of protocol I would guess here I'm making an
assumption I do not know this to be true it seems very strange to me that when you are reporting a kidnapping with a
ransom note that Boulder responds by sending a marked police car to the scene that's
the first car that shows up it seems to me like it would be more beneficial to that exact situation if you would send
at least a detective in an unmarked car right so a lot of things going on here I
I say all that but I also question current Day present day even 1996 how much experience would a police
department have with a kidnapping and a ransom note that's kind of an old school crime
I wonder how often the these Protocols are taught I know that they have kidnappings and they deal with
abductions and missing persons cases but one in fact where there's a ransom note
saying hey this person's going to die unless you give us this money I just find it so
strange how many people the parents caught to say hey look JonBenet is missing come over come to the house yeah just
after 10 a.m is when family friend John Fernie arrives his his wife Barbara Fernie came later and that's reported as
just before 6 20 a.m so we have Fleet white Priscilla white John ferny Barbara Fernie all at the Ramsey
house as of 6 20 A.M this is about a half hour after the 9-1-1 call is placed right we also need
to keep in mind that not only do we have all these extra civilians in the house but we also have several officers that
have arrived they're trying to assess what's going on they're talking to John they're talking to Patsy and what John
says is that after he was aware that something was wrong that he did check the first floor doors he found them all
to be locked he says that the Ramses in fact had a security system but it was not engaged and that their dog stayed at
a friend's house that night the dog was not in the house the night in question John said he saw no signs of forced
entry and the Ramses say they heard nothing during that night yeah but this is where it gets kind of messed up
though because you have a situation where a police officer sees marks on like the kitchen
door or like the the outside door that would go into the kitchen and they look like fresh like like this is maybe
attempt to break into your house and John Ramsey kind of dismisses these like well I I don't know if those are
new or old because he has this habit of one for getting his keys and just breaking stuff
to get into his own house and not fixing it so that makes this situation even more
difficult yeah and I believe they find those marks the the following day now just before 6 45 a.m John Ramsey
calls the pilot remember they're supposed to be getting on an airplane John Ramsey leaves a message for his
Pilot this is Michael Archuleta who then Returns the call a few minutes later and
Patsy answers the phone I don't have record of what was stated I'm guessing based off of things that Michael
Archuleta would later say that it was simply a call to say hey something's wrong something's going on here we're
not making that that plane right at 6 45 a.m officer Sue barclow arrives at the Ramsey's house about this same
time victim Advocates arrive at the Ramsay's house they are called in as they are Advocates trained in helping
families through traumatic situations when they arrive apparently they arrived with bagels and coffee
Priscilla white about the same time calls her niece who is back at the White's house
we will know what that call is about in a bit at 6 50 a.m officer Weiss and officer
barclo were photographing and fingerprinting areas of the house officer Veach had collected The Ransom
note at 7 A.M Burke Ramsey is awakened and dressed there are two different accounts of how
this went down but they're both very similar One account states that it was John
Ramsey Fleet white and Mr Fernie who woke up the young boy and got him dressed and got him ready to go the
other story states that it was just Fleet white and John Ramsey at 7 13 a.m Reverend Raul hoverstock
from St John's Episcopal Church arrives at the Ramsey's home this is their Reverend this is the
church that they attend after the Reverend arrives nine-year-old Burke Ramsey is taken by Fleet white and John
furney to pick up the Fernie children presumably at the Fernie home and then taken to the White's home
there was some interaction action during this whole movement of Burke let's call
it right where police want to ask Burke if he saw anything remember right now we are investigating
a kidnapping of a little girl that occurred inside of a home where there was three other
people that night three potential Witnesses whether they saw something heard something right what the officer is told
from all the and I'm using air quotes here Captain General accounts that I have seen
states that John Ramsey instructs the officer that Burke was sleeping the entire night and he saw and heard
nothing basically he has nothing to offer to this investigation at an unknown time John Ramsey
apparently searches the basement Mr Ramsey also searched this basement area alone According to some stories
he testified that he found the broken window partially opened under the broken window Mr Ramsey also
saw the same suitcase seen earlier by Mr White Mr Ramsey testified that the suitcase belonged to his family but was
normally stored in a different place Mr Ramsey then returned upstairs in his 1998 testimony John Ramsey
provided several different times for when he searched the basement on his own he first States quote it would have been
that time period seven to nine and later reiterates it was probably sometime between seven and nine
when asked whether it was before after the whites and the fernies arrived John stated quote I think it was after
because they came fairly early he then reiterated quote the best I can do is it was I believe after the police came
because they had gone through the house before I figured out what I'm going to do it was before 10 o'clock they had
already done some preparation before that so it would have been before probably before nine so then somewhere
between seven and nine but when reminded that the ransom letter said a call would come between 8 and 10
a.m right John is basing these answers off of that he was misremembering that the call
was going to come between 10 and 12. 10 a.m and noon right as he had supposed John made clear that he had visited the
basement prior to that time since he States quote when we are ready for the phone call I was prepped about what
I was going to say and I was getting the family ready and so between that period
of time we were just waiting for the phone call and I was near the phone and I was either in the study or on the
first floor I was just waiting for it referring to the call and this is one of the biggest problems
with the whole damn case is the the misremembering and the eyewitness accounts from everybody it's almost like
you have to kind of throw most of them away because they don't line up with other people's accounts and it and but
also this is because you first have to go into the scene and determine whether or not it's kidnapping
if they would have done their due diligence there they would have found JonBenet Ramsey and The Wine Cellar once
they find her in The Wine Cellar now you have to lock off this scene now it's a crime and now what we need to do is try
to because we know it's like 12 to 1 that somebody that young if not more uh percentage is higher that somebody
in her family killed her so now you have to separate the three that were in the house and
start questioning them right away and this is not done by law enforcement yeah there look
and I hate to come down hard on Boulder Police Department because this is a strange situation nobody can doubt that
after we know what we currently know it's going to get even stranger but where I kind of fault them is Captain I
feel like me you and some of our garage friends could have showed up to this home and done somewhat of a better job
just being uneducated individuals that are just guessing as we go yeah I think the difficult thing here is that you
have quote unquote grieving parents and so therefore again it becomes one of those things where
it's a easier said than done where you have to assume that nobody's telling you the truth from the get-go
and and and let the evidence tell you what to believe but I think that's hard to do when you
have this mother uh crying and and kind of causing a scene well they're you're giving us too
much credit I'm not even taking it to that level of sophistication I just mean if you show up to what is deemed or
believed to be at the time a kidnapping that I feel like there are already missteps just for the just for that
kidnapping not even based off of anything else that we will figure out uh any of the events to come so
I do want to point out by this time and it is reported again I apologize to everybody but I can't make this stuff up
this is what's out there this is the information that's out there this is what we have to deal with there are
varying times on this statement as well but I believe that by this time I believe the earlier statement that by
this time in our time frame roughly we are around the 7 ish to 7 30 mark by this time they have done one
well two things that were very smart and that you would do in a ransom type situation by this point they have set up
a trap and trace on the Ramsay's home phone and they've also stopped all police radio communication regarding the
kidnapping this is important for several reasons we have individuals that that claim or at least
the note will claim that they want a ransom for the safe return of this little girl they very
likely could be monitoring police scanners listening into what calls are going on to see if the Ramses in fact
did contact the police and what the police are doing what is their movements what is their strategy at this time so
they canceled all police radio communications and now they are going to communicate via phone
which that's going to complicate matters because they're not used to doing that and not everybody has a phone on their
person but that's what they have to deal with now going through all of those things that
John Ramsey said about the timing of when he searched the home on his own search the basement on his own
we go through that it's a bit tedious but you have to go through it because there's going to be a lot of questions
about what he could have been doing during that time or when he in fact searched the home by himself we included
all of his words so that you know that we're not just making this up this comes from actual words this is from evidence
this is from his statements that he put out himself now if he's giving us a two-hour time window when he believes
that the ransom call was going to come in between 10 and 12. and he's saying well it happened before
that it must have been between seven and nine you almost wonder if you have to back that up a whole hour
because he's off on when the call is supposed to come in the Call's supposed to come in between 8 and 10. and he's
saying that he's being he remembers being prepped at some point and this would be in his recollection
around the time that the call was supposed to come in you have to prep the guy before the Call Comes in right all
right so let's simplify some of this roughly about seven o'clock they're going to wake up Burke they're going to
get him dressed they're going to take him to the whites at the same time roughly at the same
time about seven o'clock to 7 13. we have the Reverend showing up so he's going to get to the house and then at
some point between seven and eight probably closer to seven because John Ramsey has to be prepped for the call
which should be coming in from 8 to 10. he searches the home he searches the home in his own words it's just the
timing he gives is weird and wrong because of two things one of two things either he's not remembering the events
clearly or he's lying or he's lying right but either way this would put his search before the police officer search
and so now roughly about 7 30 and we're looking at uh 30 minutes before call possibly could come in the
ransom amount is assembled they collect the 118 000 dollars at 7 33 a.m a K-9 unit is put on standby
this is interesting Captain because they never use this canine unit they just put
one on standby I don't know if they were waiting for the ransom call to come in before they
utilize this K-9 unit or what was going to take place but you feel like if you know the child was sleeping in her bed
at some point that you bring in that canine unit if you're trying to figure out how that
kidnapper got out of the home yeah bring the dog in let him sniff around the bed and see if
the if this canine unit is going to lead you through the home right but that makes some sense
and this case has none the Boulder Police Department does not seem to be in the business of doing things that make
sense no at 8 A.M neighbor Scott Gibbons got up and observed a basement door to the Ramsey home was standing wide open
there's been some debate about this Open Door not that it he saw it and not that
it was open it's just by this point you've had so many people moving around through the home and checking doors and
going about Police business or what have you well and this anybody could have left this door open yeah this
is possibly that door that I was telling you in one of the reports I saw where the cops found a back door open
so this could be that back door that you're talking about correct so this is where I think we can back up
John Ramsey's statement of what time he was searching the home by himself or the
basement by himself because he seems to recall even though he can't figure out the time that it was before he would
have been prepped for the ransom call the next item on our timeline plays to that so at 8 10 a.m We have detective
Patterson and detective Linda arnt arrive at the Ramsay home is this uh crazy eyes yes okay Officer
Rick French gave them an updated briefing at this time we have Steve Thomas's notes that states that the two
detectives arrived at this time as well so this seems to be generally confirmed or at least believed by multiple people
on the scene detectives aren't monitored incoming calls to the Ramsey's residents that was
her first Duty afterward detective aren't instructed John Ramsey regarding the call
the instructions were how he should handle the call when it comes in first to keep talking or keep the caller
talking long enough to trace the call and maybe even more important demand to talk to JonBenet yeah but why this is
all going on we have the Ramsay's friends that are over to try to help them out they start cleaning the kitchen
yeah some of the notes state that this was the victim's Advocates that were cleaning the kitchen either way it's
it's a big No-No especially if it would be The Advocates that were brought in by
the Boulder Police Department at 8 36 a.m John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey boarded a Delta flight to Minneapolis at
9 27 am detective Byfield contacted Gary Merriman for a list of the employees at access
Graphics yeah basically by doing this they're rounding up people that they think are possible
suspects at 10 am no one including the Ramses mentions to detective Linda arndt that the suspected
kidnappers failed to call during the designated time period right Steve Thomas very astutely points out
a very interesting thing here that that that's very kind of difficult to put your finger on
and that is the letter which we are going to dive into the letter states that we will contact
you tomorrow between 8 A.M and 10 A.M the problem with that is we do not not know what time JonBenet was kidnapped
meaning if the letter was constructed and she was kidnapped before midnight then 8 A.M to 10 a.m tomorrow would be
just that very day on the 26th right if it was after midnight the kidnapper may have meant 8 A.M and 10 a.m on the 27th
right I mean this is this is this you can't make this stuff up about this case regardless what I find interesting here
though Captain is if I'm one of the parents of this missing girl and I've been prepped on a ransom call
on how to handle that call when that time expires I'm going to be panicking why didn't they call why didn't they
call yeah do they know they said they would call us here yeah I'm not going to put any thought into what day they were
supposed to call or what day they meant I'm going to go off of I'm panicked I haven't heard I'm supposed to get some
instruction on how to get my daughter back right or I'd use my brain and say okay they didn't call I'm a little
worried but does that mean that they're going to call tomorrow is you know is the note stating tomorrow you see what I
mean like somebody should mention something um according to Steve Thomas's notes at 10
30 at approximately 10 30 is exactly what he States detectives Linda arnt and Fred
Patterson they sealed off jonbenet's bedroom about time yeah it's about time way to go pat yourself on the back
at 10 30 a.m after doing this all additional police officers and the victim Advocates this is everyone law
enforcement sent to the home other than Linda arnt they leave the Ramsey residents
so that means we now have Linda art at the home one detective one member of law enforcement one single person yeah
with Patsy Ramsey John Ramsey the whites the fernies and the Reverend well the Ramses really liked her though
even though she has crazy eyes the Ramses it seemed like they felt comfortable with her
I just wanted to point out that we have one law enforcement member here and seven individuals seven civilians in a
big giant house there are things working at the police station during this time right however
how could the officers and the other detectives there's a sergeant amongst them all decide to leave and only leave
one officer there with seven people this to me seems like pure Insanity on behalf
of the Boulder Police Department and totally unfair to one of their own unfair to detective Linda aren't
yeah but she's going to tell two different stories so I don't want I don't think we need to
get into too much detail but it seems like initially she's like yeah they were cooperative and I was trying to help
them out and they were talking to me and then it seems like years later she changes her story and that that that's
where she has that famous interview where she's saying and I was holding my gun and counting my bullets you know
it's like one why are you counting your bullets and why are you afraid none of these
people have guns yeah I just think whole move is totally unfair to detective aren't by her fellow officers
to leave her there by herself that's to be fair number one to be seen with her crazy eyes it's too much for one officer
to handle we got seven people moving around a crime scene but they're not you right but and then on top of that
it still has not been designated a crime scene by law enforcement I mean they yes they blocked off haven't
we agreed that that's one of the problems yes big problem yeah that's a big problem here's a continued another
misstep by the Boulder Police Department now we're going to leave just one of our
officers here to yeah okay so the thought at the time is yes there was a kidnapping maybe she
doesn't need to be monitoring everybody inside the home but maybe that should have been in consideration one and two
we've cut off radio communications what if the ransom call comes in you've left 30 minutes after the call was
supposed to come in it just makes it makes absolutely zero absolute zero sense we have one officer
there she'll handle it yeah that makes no sense between 10 40 a.m and around noon
John Ramsey is unaccounted for what this means is that Linda aren't the only officer on the scene does not know where
this man is during this time frame does he goes to check his mail or something that is that was the rumor that was the
story that came out early in this whole big mess because who gives a [ __ ] about
your mail well that's what people point to people say this man did not care that
his daughter was missing at the time did not care that a ransom call could come in because he left the home to check the
mail Linda aren't kind of makes an assumption here remember she cannot account for him she accounts for him
around noon she says when she sees John sitting by himself and he's reading some
type of Correspondence some maybe a letter or something she makes the assumption that he left to go get the
mail we know years later that that is in fact we can't say in fact but I would guess
very likely untrue that he left the home to get the mail the mail slot was in the
in the front door yeah the mail comes into the hole you don't have to leave the home so he could have very well
picked up the mail or just picked something up from his desk tried to occupy his mind we don't know what we do
know is he is unaccounted for roughly for an hour she doesn't know where he is again that look that's not the fault of
the family that's the fault of law enforcement for leaving one officer behind not being able to keep an eye on
everybody but it's interesting because the other adults in the home are accounted for during this time now we
have Linda art who is left with a cell phone this is her method that she's been told she needs to use to communicate
with her fellow officers during this time she feels like she's losing control of of all the people there losing
control of the scene if you want to call it that and she sends two paper eyebrows
and eyes she sends two pages to officers requesting backup that she would like for them to call you know you send a
page they respond she was going to tell them I need some additional officers here
I'm outnumbered and I wonder what made her look I'm not saying that she's telling
one story and then saying another that's what I said before but what but that's what it kind of seems like
but maybe there was something that happened happened during being there by yourself that she went
wait a second something's not right here and that's when she started calling for
backup yeah twice she called well she sent a page both times they went they didn't respond to them she never had the
opportunity to ask for backup she's asking for backup Captain because she feels she's lost control of the scene
she's lost control of the all these people that are there she's supposed to babysit them she knows for a fact that
one of them John Ramsey is unaccounted for sir for a certain period of time yeah around one o'clock
Heather Cox she is at the White's home she answers the phone and she is told by Priscilla white to bring Burke Ramsey
back to the Ramsay home uh-huh now at around 12 30 again we have John Ramsey according to Linda arnt sitting
by himself she decides and again there's I apologize there's several different versions of this story
but she says that around just before one o'clock she wanted to give John something to do
so she asked John to search the house some stories say that she approached Fleet white and asked him to get John to
go with him to search the house I actually think these varied stories in this particular situation could be
extremely important based off of what people's suspicions will be because of their movements and what people will
come to the defense of John Ramsey in those suspicions yeah but really this case should be called
JonBenet Ramsey close enough good enough for jazz right I mean because every story has a combating
story yeah because the people telling you the story other than us they all seem to have an ax to grind
right they've concluded what happened they figured out what has happened and they're going to sell it and spin it to
you in that manner we're going to try to give you the story from all the different angles and let you decide what
took place yeah now I'm going to really try to sum this question up but I'm not going to let you decide
on her crazy eyes definitively she has crazy eyes to sum it up here captain in the shortest form
either aren't asked Fleet white to search the home with John or she asked John and then John took Fleet white with
him this is interesting because of what we will learn and we'll get into that eventually regardless of how this goes
down of who asked who Steve Thomas says that they were instructed to search the house from top
to bottom however John opted to head directly to the basement instead according to Steve Thomas's notes John
Ramsey LED Fleet white to the basement where they first went to the train room and examined the broken window and John
said he broke it a few months ago they searched for glass on the floor the men next searched a shower stall located in
the basement Mr Ramsey then noticed a fireplace great propped in front of a closet and Mr White moved the grate so
the closet could be searched upon finding nothing unusual in the closet the man proceeded to The Wine Cellar
room 104 PM this is the time given in Steve Thomas's notes Mr Ramsey entered the room first turned on the light
and upon discovering jonbenet's dead body he shouted something in regards to that Discovery there is another version
out there that states Ramsey shouted actually before turning on the light this is called into question because
remember we have Fleet white who says he went into that very same room earlier couldn't find the light and did not see
anything JonBenet had black duct tape covering her mouth a cord around her neck that
was attached to a wooden garat and her hands were bound over her head in front of her she was covered by a light
colored blanket the blanket covered her torso but not her head arms or legs John
Ramsey ripped the duct tape from jonbenet's mouth and attempted to free her hands of the bindings
Fleet white came running up the stairs yelling called 9-1-1 call 9-1-1 he then runs to the back office located on the
first floor grabbing a telephone but remember we have detective Linda arndt is still in the home at this point so
using the cell phone she calls 9-1-1 and John Ramsey which is carrion JonBenet up
the stairs he then sets her down and for some reason detective aren't is going to
pick her back up and carry her into a different room the living room by the Christmas tree this is where John Ramsey
kneels beside the body and repeatedly says something like my little angel over and over again
friends had to carry Patsy Ramsey because she's too stunned to walk over to the body yeah and the next part I
didn't believe I actually had to hear it from Patsy Ramsey's mouth herself but she actually asked God to
raise her daughter from the dead saying you raised Lazarus from the dead raise my baby
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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the 9-1-1 call and police response in the JonBenet Ramsey case, highlighting key events and inconsistencies in the investigation.

Key points

The 911 Call. Patsy Ramsey's frantic call to 911 reveals the urgency of her daughter's kidnapping.
Mysterious Background Voices. Debate surrounds the potential presence of a third voice on the 911 call recording.
Pivotal Moment in the Case. A critical turning point in the investigation is identified, raising questions about the truth.
Confusion Over Timeline. Discrepancies in witness accounts create tension and uncertainty about the events of the night.
Search for JonBenet. Fleet White searches the basement, discovering a broken window and a suitcase, heightening the mystery.
Police Protocol Missteps. The police's failure to seal off the Ramsey home raises concerns about evidence tampering.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

Hurry, hurry, hurry!

Patsy Ramsey's urgent request during the call.

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Tension

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