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[Music] crime [Music] in December of 2008 you learned in December of 2008 that the remains of your
granddaughter were found is that correct yes sir what effect did that have on you
when you learned that Haley's remains had been f a deep a deep hurt inside tears the whole gamut of just an
emotional l a breakdown inside of me and seeing what my wife and my son went through
up to that moment had you held out the hope that Kaye would be found alive absolutely every day from July
15th until the day we are told it was Kaye in January of 2009 you went oh the break no sir I need to get through this
I need to have something inside of me get through this you need to break your staff no sir I'm
fine January just let me know when you're when you're okay okay sir on January 22nd of 2009 Mr
Anthony you went and got a gun didn't you yes my understanding of the events of this date are that Mr
Anthony went and got a gun that he did so with the purpose I believe he will testify he did so with
the purpose of forcing people who he believed might know something about who killed Kaye specifically friends or
boyfriends of the defendant with the intention of forcing them to reveal what they knew and then taking his own
life it is revealed in the suicide note and I believe he will testify that that's what happened the defense has
brought up the suicide I do so the court knows intend for him to identify his SU suicide note
and in my case I do intend to offer it because it shows that on January 22nd of 2009 this man had no idea who killed
Kaye Marie Anthony and it rebuts implications by the defense that he did is directly contradictory to the
defense's argument and it is proof and I do have case law when we try to admit the note at this point the circumstances
of the suicide were raised by defense counsil when he asked the question about that event and I believe I'm entitled to
go into that on the 22nd of January of 2009 this is um approximately six weeks after the remains were
found did you travel to a hotel in Daytona Beach for their purposes of taking your own
life yes sir why on that particular day did you decide to take your life why that particular day I picked up
I I really don't know all I know is my emotional state even through today is uh is very hard to accept that I don't
have a granddaughter anymore but for that particular day I don't know it just felt like the right
time to go and be with Kaye did you call relatives and perhaps not literally but say say
your last goodbyes to them oo I wanted to talk to my parents uh my sisters I know I called my
son and my wife and just some I was okay um yes to say goodbye for the last time did did any of them try to get you
to tell where you were you do you remember the the the content of the conversations no because really I I was
supposed to be going to a meeting that day and uh I just I know I just decided that was
the time for me to get away from all this to spend time with [Music] Kay the trial of Casey Anthony the trial of
the woman that the media was calling the most hated woman in America is about to
be underway but before we get eyeballs deep into the trial just a couple of little tidbits leading up to it we have
April 14th 2009 that's when the State of Florida announces that they will seek the death penalty in the trial against
Casey Anthony January 26 2010 Casey Anthony pleads guilty for 13 fraudulent check
charges in April of 2010 Judge Stan Strickland steps down after the defense team files a motion
accusing him of having inappropriate conversations with a blogger mhm now this blogger go who goes by the name of
marinade Dave he blogged about the Casey Anthony case often and he had articles about the case and one of his articles
was titled Casey Anthony Must Die Strickland basically had well that guy was just is getting right to the point
yeah he it seems like the Blogger had already chose his side and it might be easily considered inappropriate for the
judge to be having interactions with this blogger M basically judge Strickland had a priv private meeting
with the Blogger having lunch with him uh discussing the case and even giving him a tour of sorts of the court
building M um and it turns out that Judge Stan Strickland was a fan of marinade Dave so after the defense files
the motion Stan Strickland steps down for the trial Strickland would make a comment to the media stating that it
appears that the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers yes that was a comment that he had made and of course Jose bayz
and the defense team later would state that this is a big- Time inappropriate statement for the judge to be making so
we now have judge Bellin Perry Jr who is appointed to take over the case M August
14th 2010 Cindy Anthony appears as a guest on The Today Show where she calls Casey Anthony a victim and she also
claims that she is not involved with what happened to kayle's remains later that month George and Cindy
Anthony's attorney Brad Conway he steps down because he disputes a Jose bayz motion claiming Conway was given
unrestricted access to documents belonging to Texas Equis search to which the defense team was not given the same
access before jury selection the defense filed a motion for a change of venue to
move the trial out of Orlando you know you we have this this this case that's about to go to trial it's probably going
to be the biggest case that kind of knew this going in I mean because the media coverage before the trial was gigantic
and I think this is probably because of you know the precursor like the OJ Simpson trial yeah and you have like you
said we have this media circus we have all these people she's already been basically convicted in the Public's eye
wouldn't you agree and mhm and the thing here is Jose bayas in the defense team well they have an obligation to their
client to provide her with a fair trial and they don't think that they're going to be able to get that in Orlando with
all the media coverage that they have had so they filed for this motion of change of venue um and it's Bas seems
says that he was hoping that the trial would get moved to a place like Miami you know a place that that has a lot
more going on the more hustle and bustle where people weren't so in tune or so locked into all the media coverage of
this case what ends up happening is Judge Perry decides that they would not have a change of venue in order to find
a fair jury but rather the judge would select a city for the jury pool and they would bust this jury into Orlando and
the location when when he says this the location of his choosing is not revealed
to anyone for a while but but it is announced later that St Petersburg Clearwater Florida would be the location
for the jury pool which is actually it's curious why he picks this location because it's only about an hour and a
half away from Orlando mhm and now at this point we're at the jury selection so let's dive into that for a minute
yeah after the trial defense attorney Jose Bas spoke of what they were looking for as they tried to strategize about
shaping the jury to its liking Jose said that the plan was to avoid young mothers
and especially single mothers stating that young and or single mothers would be constantly comparing themselves or
comparing Casey to themselves throughout the trial and they most likely would have a strong hate for Casey or at the
very least May convict her of murder just because they feel that she is a bad mother MH uh they were hoping to fill
the jury with as many males over the age of 45 as possible uh the thinking here is that uh an older the older men may
look at a female of Casey's age pretty much as like a child um where you might be more willing to forgive a child or
maybe Overlook some acts that a child would make uh on May 20th 2011 after 11 days of jury selection
Judge Perry swears in a jury of five men and seven women plus three men and two women as alter jurors now I want to take
just a minute here and go through the jury uh that was selected for this trial and we'll we'll we'll let them remain
nameless but we'll talk about them how the prosecutor as well as the defense team kind of saw them going into this
selection process now the first woman that was selected she's an elderly Caucasian woman and she's a retired
nurse now the defense was happy about this selection because you know older women she's a nurse nurse nurses tend to
be uh nurturing um and the defense also thought that there were some problems with some of the forensic evidence that
the nurse might have somewhat of an understanding of um the second juror was a 45-year-old African-American male uh
he's an IT guy uh we've already discussed some things regarding the it situation you know the the use of the
family computer um so they thought that somebody with knowledge in that background could be good for the defense
could also work out poorly for you and sway to the prosecution side the third juror was a 32-year-old Caucasian female
um she was a volunteer at an alternative lifestyle Camp um and this this is a person that the jury really liked um
even though she was the jury really liked you mean the defense really lik um I apologize the defense really like this
election because of her volunteering at this uh at this Camp uh that she might be somebody that was more understanding
of young people or young adults uh and have have some mindset towards that the fourth jur juror selected was a 54
year-old African-American lady uh now the thing I got to point out here is that the defense wanted to they wanted a
mixed race jury uh the defense stated that African Americans have historically have been discriminated by law uh so of
of course they are less trusting of law enforcement and they wanted to kind of put they they they really wanted to put
a bunch of African-Americans on the jury because of their distrust of law enforcement and also that they they
believed that because it was a death penalty case that that could sway in their favor as well well I think we both
we've talked about this before we we both believe that that you know looking back that that was probably a mistake
you know by the prosecutors to or the State of Florida to go after the death penalty yes the fifth juror selected was
a 71-year-old Caucasian woman uh retired um and there was a couple things that the defense really liked about her
because of her age she didn't have any young children uh and the other thing was she didn't own a computer nor had
she ever owned a computer so this was somebody that they knew right away might not have been privy to a lot of the
information out there about Casey against Casey uh this is somebody that wouldn't be you know communicating with
bloggers or reading blogs about Casey juror number six was a 37-year-old white Caucasian male he was a chef yeah and he
had several young children uh that lived at his home so this was one that the prosecution uh really liked uh because
of the fact of him having young kids um juror number seven is a 47-year-old divorc Caucasian female she was a youth
counselor uh so you could kind of lump her in the group with the U the volunteer at the uh the camp right the
summer camp MH juror number eight we have a 60-year-old Caucasian woman um she is a service rep for a phone company
uh and juror number nine is a 53-year-old Caucasian male who is unemployed juror number 10 uh
57-year-old Caucasian male now he too was a Ser service rep for a phone company and this is the same phone
company as juror number eight which was of major concern to both the prosecutor and the defense uh the fear being here
that the two knew each other uh but it was very quickly establish that they did not juror number 11 was a 30-year-old
Caucasian uh male gym teacher at a high school uh apparently this guy was pretty
goodlooking um okay yeah this is not the defense or the prosecutor stating that this man is is is handsome this is your
statements this is my statement this was one goodlooking juror he was he was one
handsome man wink wink um no but the thing here is the the reason why I say he must be pretty good-looking is
because some of the media would refer to him as instead of Juror number 11 they would refer to him as George Clooney so
I get anytime you get compared to that guy right everybody wants to be compared to that guy I've never I've never been
compared to that guy it's not happening for me either juror number 12 is a 61y old Caucasian female and she worked at a
Public's grocery store um you know we see some wins as far as the prosecution's concerned and and some
wins as far as the defense is concerned but those are their kind of General thoughts on the jury that was selected
for this trial now you know that both the prosecution and the defense they get a good opportunity to vet these people
before they are chosen to be on the jury and according to questioning it appeared
that out of the 12 jurors chose chosen that only one was considered to be Pro death penalty uh May 24th 2011 the trial
begins in Orlando Florida the prosecution state after Casey's parents left the house on June 16th 2008 hold on
I'm just trying to follow you we're we're now to opening statements we yes we are now at the opening statement of
of the big trial some are calling it The Trial of the century the trial against the most hated woman in America and the
troll trial yes the prosecution states that Casey's parents left the house on June 16th 2008 Casey returned to the
home with Kaylee at this time M using chloroform Casey knocked the kid out and placed duct tape over the mouth and nose
of the child the baby suffocating her mhm she then bundled the little girl's body up in trash bags and a laundry bag
placed them in the trunk of the vehicle she was driving and left the home that evening she went on a date with her
boyfriend going to the Blockbuster Video Store to rent some movies like we talked
about last episode then sometime before her vehicle was towed from the parking lot Casey Anthony dumped the body in a
wooded area just several feet from Suburban Road about one qu of a mile from the Anthony home during the
prosecution's opening statement they made these claims and they went on to go through each of the events that took
place in the 31 days that expired between the time Kaylee went missing and the time that she was reported as such
needless to say it was a rather lengthy opening statement the defense states that Kaye never was
missing Kaylee Anthony died June 16th 2008 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool defense attorney Jose Bas
says to the jury that the Anthony family is extremely dysfunctional and that Jose
Bas wanted to take the jury into the Anthony home on Hop Spring Drive stating that Casey was out partying and having
fun during the days that Kaylee was unac for because she was hiding in that deep
dark place called denial a place that she had hid most of her life the defense told the jury that Casey was a good
mother that Kaylee was never abused and was never without food without clothing Or Without Shelter stating that the jury
would not hear one person testify about Kaylee being abused or mistreated by Casey and Bas is going to claim that you
know this whole family is just about lies and secrets and this is going to start way back when Casey was just 8
years old yes the lies and secrets are all wrapped in this case and it started when she's 8 years old when her father
came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately and it escalated and escalated it started with fondling and
then led to intercourse he stated that George was having sex with Casey several times a
week until she was 12 years old old Bas suspected that George either stopped at this time because she was getting either
too old for his taste or the threat of the young girl getting pregnant and then when Casey was older her older brother
Lee then inherited the traits of his father and Lee began sneaking into Casey's room at night and fondling her
this started with with Lee when Casey was 15 years old and these were all secrets that Casey kept that she hid and
this is why she is a liar she had to learn to lie to hide the Family secret pointing out further how dysfunctional
the Anthony family is BAS brought up a wedding attended by the Anthony family when Casey was seven months pregnant and
and showing it too she's showing the pregnancy the whole family attended this wedding and when when Cindy's brother
asked her well isn't there something you would like to tell me about my niece Cindy asked what and her her brother
says well she's clearly pregnant Cindy and George denied the pregnancy explaining Casey was just
overweight bz pointed out that the parents hid the pregnancy and that if they hid this child in life they would
certainly hide this child in death stating they hid this child like a flower in the addict so what were the
defensive claims to the accounts of death yeah that's one thing that I found very interesting was that BAS went on to
explain to the jury how Kaye had died M stating that on the morning of June 16th
Cindy woke Casey and Kaye before she left for work around 700 a.m. saying goodbye to them in their bed then the
two went back to sleep sometime later George woke Casey up this is estimated to be several hours later and started
yelling at her you know where's where's Kaylee where's Kaylee and the two of them went and searched the house they
searched the closets they searched under the beds and in the garage then the backyard and then noticing the pool
ladder to the family's above ground pool was still up he told the jury how George
held kayle's lifeless body and yelled at Casey as Casey cried telling Casey that
her mother would never forgive her for this and that she was going to go to prison for the rest of her life for
child neglect the other thing he kind of brings up uh which is you know smart on
his part is he says well look here's another thing that's a problem with the prosecution's um claims is they don't
really know how the baby died we don't know how Kaylee died so therefore how can you charge somebody with murder and
on top of that go after the death penalty when you don't know exactly how she died yeah and I think that I mean
that had to have been a smart thing to do you know they don't know the cause of death and he's stating this right out of
the gate and he's letting you know that you know what you're going to hear this from the prosecution side later what I'm
telling you now they're going to back it up that they don't have the cause of death so how can we charge anybody with
murder we'll get right back to the trial of Casey Anthony right after this quick
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to cover here captain and we can't go through every detail of such there were a lot of people that were called to
testify and if we did so this this show we would basically have to do a show that was the length of the trial and
we're here to just kind of point out the important parts as we see them as well as maybe some you know Peaks and valleys
that took place during the course of the trial so we're going to kind of pick um
some key players some key characters that were involved in this trial and we'll kind of give an overview of what
took place of of the statements that they made and testified to so the first witness that is called by the
prosecution is George Anthony now under oath he would state that he never sexually abused his daughter Casey he's
going to state that he had no knowledge of the death of Kaylee or did he cover up the death of Kaye in any way also
under test while testifying he will state that he as well as the tow truck manager both agreed that from their
experiences that they did smell what they considered to be human decomposition coming from Casey's car
before George drove it home all right right so exactly when they go to uh pick up the car from it being in pound they
both smell the same thing yes and this would be in July now under cross-examination George Anthony is
going to state that he did not smell de composition in Casey's car on June 24th 2008 now this is when he would have seen
the vehicle back at his home before it was ever towed and just to be clear he was not actually in this vehicle he was
just feet away from the vehicle on the 24th the other thing that he would State too remember Casey returned gas cans to
him that were stolen from his shed that she stole from the shed now he would state that he did put duct tape over one
of those cans after she had returned them to him he also testified that he had bought a gun to threaten Casey's
friends into telling him where Kaye was even though he knew that having a gun violated k 's baale now the thing here
is George believed that when they could not find Kaye that that not only Casey may have known where she was but her
friends the people that she was shacking up with during this 30-day time period that they would know more about the
Kaylee situation than her than he and Cindy knew and he thought he was going to have to go and talk to these people
and ask the hard questions often thought this would make an amazing show mhm right so what you do is you maybe you
dress up like clowns I don't know what you you cuz clowns are creepy and you get some guns and some torturing devices
and you and these cases that aren't solved that you really want solved you find these individuals and you torture
them till till they tell you all right I just I think it' be a good show it it might work we I'm not going to I'm
not putting my stamp on that hey uh uh Discovery call me that's right call him um Jose bz then asked George Anthony
about his suicide attempt which took place in January of 2009 and the next day the judge allows the jury to see the
suicide note now this is one thing that we are yet to cover in this case uh George Anthony did have a suicide
attempt this took place January 23rd 2019 the the basics of it are this that George decides to check him s into a
hotel he takes about 70 pills and he drinks as much alcohol as he can in attempt to take his and and his own life
uh while there he was texting family members and calling some of them uh and he did in fact leave that suicide note
which the judge allows the jury to read I think this is important evidence for the prosecution because the defense is
trying to paint a picture here that you know well look the how she died was that
that that George found Kaylee in the pool MH and what the prosecution is going to claim is based off the evidence
in this suicide note it proves that George wasn't involved and he had no knowledge of what was going on so do you
want to read that note well it's a bit of a double-edged sword isn't it because I think I think at the time the the
defense is trying to state that you know this might show that there was a lot more going on with George and but I
think you're right it the prosecution as well they're they're like yeah this also
kind of shows he's innocent regardless it's full of emotion and the the suicide note that the jury was allowed to read
is as follows it says cyony Marie as you get this letter this should be no surprise that I have decided to leave
this earth because I need to be with Kaye Marie I cannot keep going because it should be me that is gone from this
Earth not her I have lived many years I am satisfied with my decision because I have never been the man you Lee Casey
and especially Kaye Marie deserved I have never been the man any of you could count on I have always let each of you
down in more ways than I can remember I do not feel sorry for myself I am just sorry I burden all of you the way I have
my loss of life is meaningless Cynthia Marie you have always worked your hardest given the most to me and I have
never thanked you 28 plus years ago you corrected me a man who has now found his
identity and life what I mean is you always challenged me the right way and I always could never live up to your
expectations you have always been smarter more knowledgeable and thought things through and I love you for that I
cannot be strong anymore Kay Marie our granddaughter I miss her I miss her so much I know you do too you were always
the one that provided for her what did I provide I blame myself for her being gone you know for months as a matter of
fact for a year or so I brought stuff up only to be told not to be negative Kaye
Marie I miss her I miss her I want my family back I sit here following apart because I should have done more she was
so close to home why was she there who placed her there why is she gone for months you and I especially you always
question why I want this to go away for Casey what happened why could she not come to us especially you or why not Lee
who is involved with this stuff with Kaye I going crazy because I want want to go after these people Casey hung with
prior to Kaylee being gone that is why I got that gun I wanted to scare these people you know they know more than they
have stated you cannot sugarcoat Kid Glove these people they need Hard Knocks to get info from sure that will not
bring Kaye Marie back but was Casey threatened you know Casey does not deserve to be where she is I miss her I
miss her so much I am worried for her her personal safety is always on my mind I try to deal with so so much as I do
you also I have never wanted to my family for sorrow in any way I realize families have ups and downs but we have
suffered our share and then some Cynthia Marie you have always deserved more and
with me being gone you will I have always brought you down you know that you are better off Lee will be there for
you I cannot function knowing our granddaughter is gone Kaye Marie never had a chance to grow I wanted to walk
her to school I wanted to help her in so many ways I sit here empty inside for her for you for us yes you deserve more
and you will have freedom to enjoy what you deserve I have taken what meds was given to me with alcohol and I'm ready
to give up as I can tell by my writing and thinking I am getting very stupid wow what a word stupid yes I am again I
do not feel sorry for myself I am stupid I cannot deal with stuff anymore the loss of Kaye Marie the loss of Casey the
loss of us Cynthia Marie the meds I am ready saying goodbyes please understand it is for the best I do not deserve life
anymore you are the best you always have been I am sorry for all that I have done
to us I love you I hope you get to see Casey soon I am sorry I will take care of Kaye once I get to God hopefully I
want to hold her again I miss her I will always love us I am sorry Cynthia Marie
I am so tired I am sorry I love you Cynthia Marie Kaye here I come Lee I am sorry and like I've stated from the
beginning um George was more of her father you know kayle's father than he was the grandfather MH because she
didn't have a father figure so I would assume that that's how Kaylee saw him and so I think this was a pretty
crushing blow to him I think this points to the idea that he didn't know what happened so the defense's argument that
Kaye drowned and that George helped Casey cover this up I think is a lot of malarkey yeah and I
to be honest with you Captain I don't know which side of the fence was pushing for the suicide note to be viewed by the
jury I think what the defense was trying to do I don't think they were trying to
accuse him of murder obviously they never State at any point during the trial that they believe he killed the
girl right but I think what the defense was trying to do was bring up this suicide attempt by pointing out pointing
out that George may have you know because of this suicide maybe he did have more involvement maybe he had more
on his chest than we know about and well I think they brought I think they brought up the idea of suicide and then
I think the prosecution is the one saying hey look if you're going to Brin this up that's fine but this then we're
going to look at this note and by the context of the note it points to the fact that he didn't know anything about
it and I yeah I agree 100% it would be totally different if he said I can't live with myself for what I've done but
he didn't say that he said I got a gun and I wanted to get answers you know and I and these people know more the thing
that constantly rings constantly with this family is the enabling and and parents never want
their children to fail they never want them to hit rock bottom and most of the time people know that if somebody's
going through some crap in their life they have to hit rock bottom but if you have parents or friends that keep Ena
you and keep bringing you to the surface you never hit rock bottom and I think that's what happened constantly with
this family again even in this note even at the time of his you know wanting to take his own life to be with his
granddaughter he keeps on saying my daughter doesn't deserve to be where she's at uh yeah she does yeah but that's the
parent in him speaking and I and I think what you hear in that suicide note right
but some parents are more enablers than others yeah and I think I think what you
hear in that suicide note you're exactly right I think the it it totally if you if anybody on the jury had any
speculation that the suicide attempt would help further the defense's case if if you would believe that George knew
them what what you were talking about I think the suicide note clears that up really quickly and it it it washes that
all away for me because in that note yes he's talking about mainly about his shortcomings and things that the family
deserved better and he didn't give it enough and didn't do enough but he never says that he's guilty of anything other
than maybe he could have been a better parent or a better husband at times and I think these are all thoughts that
whether we're having good days or bad days I think we all have those thoughts in in the back of our minds from time to
time that we could be better parents we could be better spouses we could be better brothers or sisters or or or
children uh to our parents you know we you always have those feelings inside of you and the certainly there's no there's
no words of guilt in my mind in that suicide note you do the best you can as a parent you try to provide at the end
of the day you just can all you can do is try your best um you know tough thing but then so then next they're going to
start bringing up character Witnesses for Casey Anthony yeah they're going to call a lot of Casey's friends to the
stand um and we're not going to go through them individually but the the basic summary of what they're all kind
of saying is that all of them had heard casy at one point or several points tell
them lies about Casey having a job during that June and July of 2008 the 30 days basically yep about uh the nanny
you know that Kaylee had a nanny um these were all lies that she didn't just tell to her family she was telling them
to the friends as well uh there were some that kind of stood out from from amongst the group there one would be Amy
remember her friend Amy the one that she uh stole money from yeah she stole the checks from her now Amy would state that
she received a text from Casey on June 27th stating that Casey had a dead animal that she had hit with the vehicle
and that was kind of wedged up in the the frame of her car um and that's all the further explanation gives regarding
this maybe pointing out why there might be some kind of foul smell coming from the vehicle mhm um another one of
importance is a former boyfriend testifies that Casey told him that uh Casey's brother Lee Anthony had sexually
groped her at one point in her life um Judge Perry does not allow um the the jury to hear testimony from Casey's U
ex-boyfriend stating this um that that that he had tried to grope her and a witness that I thought was really
interesting was the neighbor the neighbor came forward and said that in mid June that uh Casey came over with
her boyfriend and asked to borrow a shovel because she wanted to dig up a bamboo rot yeah and there some
interesting things here um you know he couldn't give a date on that but he did say it was sometime in mid June um it
didn't seem of anything of great importance to him so why would he remember the exact date mhm uh the thing
here is you know there there's a great true crime author Diane Fanning who who wrote a book very early in this case
actually before it went to trial and shortly after she was arrested uh Casey Anthony being arrested not Diane Fanning
uh but Diane gives her gives her kind of idea of what she thinks happened in this
case and one thing she states in there is that she believed it was unbeknownst to her at the time that that Tony was
with Casey when she went to borrow the the shovel and Diane speculated that maybe uh Casey had borrowed the shovel
to to assist in disposing of the body and that maybe the dogs remember the dogs had gone the cadav dogs had smelled
and hit on some points in the backyard of the Anthony family home right and her thought was maybe Casey's original
thought was that she would bury the body in the backyard we now know at this time
she was not alone on that day she was with her boyfriend Tony and he would further testify that they actually
borrowed the shovel to break into the shed where they were going to go steal the the the gas cans now they're going
to start calling police officers and FBI agents and the first police officers that arrive at the Anthony's household
the day that they're going to report her missing remember those the 911 calls um
they're going to claim that in the Pontiac they didn't actually smell any deceased body right right they they
didn't smell any human composition in Casey's car they also did admit that they did not search the other two
vehicles that were on the property that night um a dog handler that is called he
describes the dog alerting to human decomposition in the trunk of this vehicle as well as near kayle's
Playhouse in the backyard now and just since we're on this point right they actually had a scientist that did this
study or did this test basically he created this test yes and what they would do was they would take this sample
and they would kind of I think they would liquefy it and then turn it into a vapor and then somehow put that into a
can whatever anyways the test was to prove that there was a rotting body basically in the trunk of the car yeah
right and so he he's done this test many times he created the test um he created
the he created the contraption that that conducts the test this is Dr Voss um and
he you know he's got some big long word that describes this contraption that is going to conduct this test U but he does
state that he found uh using this test signs of human decomposition and a high level of Chlor form in the trunk of
Casey's car M so now we got two things putting against Casey Anthony now bz the defense attorney is going to do
something pretty smart here M he's going to state well that's great that you have
this it's scientific proof okay it's not this is not an opinion right this is scientific proof and Bas kind of
shatters that by saying well you've never testified before well not only has he not testified but also this method of
of determining that there was human decomposition in the trunk has never been used in any trial anywhere before
right and I would also just like to make the statement that it has been several hundreds hundreds of times now since
this date right uh yeah bayz would go on to claim that Dr Vos had a uh Financial uh interest in this because if
if he could get it into one trial then this would be considered somewhat fact um and it could be used all over the
country and this was a device that he could then sell to law enforcement right and a bunch of law enforcement use it
now but but that's because it's science mhm well an FBI forensic chemist uh confirms chloroform residue in the trunk
of Casey's car but also states that household cleaning products leave traces of chloroform right a professor of
chemistry called by the defense says that chemical compounds identified by Dr Voss in air samples can be found in
household products and garbage as well um what ends up happening here is we get into this lengthy battle over is this
test going to be considered evidence or not you know you have the prosecution wants it to be evidence obviously and
the defense is going to try to poke as many holes in it as they possibly can I found that this was one part of the
trial that got a little chippy you know where it seemed like the defense and the
the prosecution were kind of going at one another more than talking to the experts right uh what ends up happening
is that Judge Perry decides because I don't I'm not clear on how they got to this point but this is how chippy it got
Judge Perry decides that he is not going to allow the jury to sniff air samples that were taken from the car trunk from
the trunk of the car yeah they they don't need to do that yeah here here smell this don't be one of those people
oh my God this salad tastes so bad try it no well while actually while we're on the trunk of the car let's talk about
the single hair that was removed from the the trunk of the vehicle uh and this was similar to the hair uh from kayle's
hairbrush and it had what what they call as root banding and it was consistent with that from a decomposing body uh
that's what I'm calling the death band on that hair uh the thing here is you know this is something that they are
again it's kind of like the the smell coming from the trunk they have some proof of this but the defense is pretty
quick to poke some holes in this as well because there were other hairs that they
found you're a mother of a the child child's in your car there's hairs everywhere yeah right so so that's fine
and and that's going to be easy for the defense to poke holes in but the fact that there's this band is what's way
more interesting to me yeah they were able to get somebody the defense was able to get someone to testify that that
finding that on that hair could also just mean that it sat in the trunk of the car for an extended period of time
right which you would think that like if you're getting groceries in and out of a
car a hair could fall off of her you know it's pretty easy to explain another thing that was brought up uh We've
brought up the duct tape already well crime scene investigators identified a piece of Hinkle brand duct tape uh found
at the the scene and testified that it is the same brand as George Anthony put on the red gas can uh one investigator
states that no hle brand tape was found elsewhere in the Anthony's home now FBI they did test on on this duct tape that
was found on kayle's body and they could not find any fingerprints on this duct tape they didn't find Casey's
fingerprints they didn't find George Anthony's fingerprints but the the other thing here is uh they also didn't find
any DNA now now the thing that I would argue here that this does not point to any body being innocent in my mind
whether whether you want to fight for Casey or whether you want to fight for George it doesn't point to either of
them being innocent that no DNA was found because they didn't find any DNA of Kaye it was on her the the body was
so far decomposed and on top of that duct tape has has certain natural fibers that are in it as well and from from it
sitting out for 6 months in the Heat and that area had flooded at one point and and you know in the rain and all the
elements any trace of DNA was removed from the duct tape furthermore any of those natural fibers had basically
disintegrated by this point by the time that they found kayle's body so they have the duct tape right and then we
know that that's connected to the an Anthony household it's the same brand yes and then we have this laundry basket
yeah la laundry bag okay so this laundry bag they're sold in pairs the other pair
is found at the Anthony household yeah yes the the this is actually a pretty common bag it's something you could buy
at any grocery store but like the captain said it's sold in at like a two or three pack and they found the other
ones at the home uh Kaylee Anthony's whole bedroom is decorated in Winnie the Pooh stuff and they found a Winnie the
Pooh blanket MH at the scene M now so you know yeah well and what they're going to point out there is that you
know in the beginning Casey was stating that this was well not a stranger abduction that it was a nanny Abduction
zy the nanny yeah and the prosecution here is pointing out that look sorry but every item that was found where Kaye was
found was found in the Anthony home this body was transferred from the Anthony home right basically saying everything
that comes out of this girl's mouth is horseshit and it's not even just the zany The Nanny thing then it became this
whole well it's somebody else and there's this whole sex ring and sex trafficking and all this crazy nonsense
that Casey kept on throwing out uh and that was just to get people talking about something other than her yeah well
it's at this point in the trial that you know while they're talking about the duct tape the investigators they show
photographs of the remains of Kaylee and some of these photos show that the duct
tape appears to be over the mouth area now one invest investigator does admit that the duct tape might not have
originally been on the mouth and could have shifted position as he collected The Remains uh at this point in the
trial Casey Anthony becomes ill looking at the photographs and the jury is dismissed for the day the prosecution
also brought into the trial some video footage now we talked about this this is all video that we've seen on CNN Fox
News Nancy Grace Nancy Grace all everybody that was covering the trial top mom this was video footage showing
Casey Anthony yelling at her parents while she's in in jail lying to her parents while she's in jail and in but
the interesting thing here Captain is there is video footage of her denying to an officer on July 16th 2008 that Kaylee
had drowned in the pool as the officer had suggested to her right now you would think right that this would be a big
home run for the prosecution right first we have this woman Casey Anthony that nobody likes anyway and now we are
showing you video foot footage of her lying to her parents right uh but what ends up happening is this actually only
ends up being what I would consider to be a small victory for the prosecution because they end up showing the jury two
tapes and both of the tapes are very long extremely long where we're only actually showing small parts of herself
of Casey making herself look very bad in a very short period and one thing that we know is one of the worst things you
can do in a trial is to bore the jury you know they they lose interest they lose focus of what's important at that
moment if you drag things out too long mhm our listeners are saying the same thing about the show here smell this hey
come here people say have you seen those videotapes of her in prison oh man she's
the worst person ever it's very small fragments where she is the worst person ever but she is the worst person ever
but I I think it's a huge home run and the jury distant catch on to that your defense came from this police officer
your defense came from well what makes the most logical sense oh she drowned in the pool this is how we're going to
defend you but you already denied that before and that's going to be your argument if I'm on the jury I'm going
this troll is lying about everything the EV all the evidence points to her having
knowledge all the evidence points to her lying about everything and then on top of that her defense defense is something
she already denied yeah yeah and you know what Captain here's where I think that they made a quite a big stumble the
prosecution that is one not only showing the the lengthy tapes but you know what
I would have done just that little clip of her denying it to the officer you got
to pull like that JFK moment you know from Oliver Stone's great movie back into the left back into the left back
into the left you just keep showing that part of the tape over and over and over
again rather than showing them almost I think they spent back into most of the day reviewing these two tapes it was
extremely long and I think you could have really just honed in on a few points and really hit the home run a
grand slam even with that back into the left of showing her denying that to the off I probably would he play it a 100
times right yeah just play it a 100 times uh you sure she didn't drown in the pool nope sure she didn't drown in
the pool nope just keep playing it over and over yeah so we have we have the medical examiner and I and we're not
going to go through all of that because we we know that they said that this was a homicide and we know that the defense
is saying well you can't you can't say that because you can't give us a cause of death they ruled it a homicide
because of the duct tape because the body was hidden because nobody reported her missing you know those are the
reasons for doing so but an expert that was called in this is an expert in forensic entomology uh states that he
found flies related to decomposition in the trunk of Casey's car now the defense
is going to call their own expert uh that is an expert in the same field and this expert will state that there was if
there was a body in the trunk uh they should have found hundreds or thousands of these blowflies trapped in the trunk
so where one expert says we found we found flies uh I think it was like one or two you know maybe two or three flies
and the defense is saying that you should have found hundreds of or thousands of them let's be clear though
that was all cleaned out when they got the car right they pulled stuff from the trunk initially they all smelled a bad
smell and they threw away trash that that uh the mother claims there was maggots all over maggots and flies and
all that stuff so there's your hundreds of flies that were thrown out as evidence well but also the defense is
going to claim that with this expert that these the the flies that they found that they're saying are related to a
decomposing body are the same that you would expect to find in rotting trash as well okay uh now we talked about the
computer activity on the Anthony's home computer uh so they're going to call the
state and the defense are both going to call several software analysts um and one will state that someone used the
Anthony computer to search a website this ISS spot.com for Chloroform 84 times on March 21st 2008 uh4 times 84
times that's a lot of research during cross-examination this expert admits that the automatic page reloading could
account for that number and there was no way of knowing how many times chloroform
was actually searched uh and furthermore they could not State who or or they could not know who was the
person performing the searches on the computer at that time um but here's what's interesting go for it is that
there's only two adults in the household at this time so we have George or Casey
that is by all evidence the only two adults that could have been in the household at the time now the defense is
going to call Casey's mother and she's going to come to the stand and she's going to testify I made that search
right and then the prosecution is going to come back and go hey crazy you are at
work right everything states that you're at work yeah there's time cards to prove
so there's co-workers stating that you were there were there and she still lies no that was me because I was looking up
this thing uh because the bamboo you have to kill certain things of the bamboo and and and I misspelled it and
it this came up and I clicked on it yeah if you type in the first few letters of
what you're searching for some a more popular search might be the first that appears and you click on that where the
prosecution dropped the ball and what the defense was ready for was this other search death by Suffocation right and
the for some reason during the trial the the the prosecution never brought this up no they spent most of the time trying
to prove that Cindy uh was not the one that searched for Chloroform right and what what they're also able to confirm
is that a a search for Chloroform on the Anthony computer uh took place not only
on March 21st but uh there was also how to make chloroform on March 17th 2008 so
we have two different searches here um the defense is also going to claim that Casey didn't know what chloroform was
and that she had searched for Chloroform because it was something she had seen on
her was it her boyfriend or ex-boyfriend at the time his Myspace or Facebook page
that he had some kind of post that said win her over with chloroform it was supposed to be some kind of joke where
you see a some really shitty joke a man good job you just made a shitty joke on MySpace A well-dressed man standing
behind A well-dressed woman saying wi win her over with chloroform and that the search was simply for she didn't
know what it was and wanted to look it up and figure out why that post was so funny um it which that look that
explains the won but because the prosecution didn't bring up death by Suffocation then you know they they
dropped the ball there big time Big Time while we're talking about the investigators let's talk about a lead
detective that uh testified during the trial and he stated that there were no phone calls between Cindy and George
Anthony during the week of June 16th 2008 but he went on to admit that he was not aware that George Anthony had a
second cell phone now Cindy will be called to the stand to testify yes and she will testify that uh she swam with
Kaye the night before she was last seen in the family's above ground swimming pool and she also would testify that
Kaye could get up the ladder into the pool by herself uh she also believed that Casey worked at Universal Studios
in Orlando uh and belied that there was a babysitter named z zany uh Cindy Anthony said says that uh her
description of Casey's car smelling like someone had died or like something had died in the damn car right and that's
what we heard on the 911 call MH on the stand she says that that was just simply
a figure of speech uh that she she ultimately ended up trying to get rid of the smell by spraying for Breeze all
within the car and inside the trunk as well uh she says that on the evening of June 16th when she came home from work
that she did find the pool ladder in the pool you know so it was attached to the
pool so somebody could get into the pool with that ladder being up and she also stated that Kaylee did have the ability
and had witnessed it on more than one occasion of opening up the sliding back door to the home to get out to the pool
by herself well you know she can't open that if it's locked right right she couldn't or she couldn't climb the
ladder if it was not up right she also stated in her testimony that she definitely recalls the ladder being up
on the night of the 16th because she remembers having a conversation with George about that ladder being up
stating that it should not have been up uh because after swimming with Kaylee the night before that she had remembered
taking the ladder down so she had this conversation with him about why the ladder would be up to the pool um at
some point during the trial the defense then shows a picture to the jury uh and after hearing Cindy's comments uh this
is a pretty powerful picture because this is a picture of of young Kaye opening the sliding glass door at the
home um it clearly showing that she was able to do so now in the picture this is
kind of a famous picture so I shouldn't have to describe it too much you cannot actually see kayle's face but you kind
of see what appears that she may have run into the room you see the back of her little body with her hair and her
arm is reaching up and her hand has has opening the sliding glass door and like you stated before she is going to you
know make the claims that she did the Google searches yeah and that's just false and I think a lot of her testimony
is just false and I think she's a liar and I also think she's somebody that doesn't want to believe that her child
is capable of U murdering her granddaughter mhm and I think at this point and I think we talked about this a
while back though um is the idea that she already lost her granddaughter mhm and she can't do anything about that and
one of the reasons why I think the prosecution shouldn't have went for the death
penalty is that by doing so you're going to put both of her parents in a defensive mode mhm because they need to
defend her at least through the trial right right and and Casey's mother States well maybe not to the point that
she doesn't receive prison time but you know because there there was first-degree murder charge and a
manslaughter charge maybe the maybe Cindy's thoughts were okay I could see maybe Casey was you know guilty of some
type of manslaughter charge but not that of a first-degree murder right here's the problem with it she made this
statement saying oh well you know I prayed to God and I prayed and I prayed you know to spare my daughter's life or
actually what she stated was give me an answer if she is guilty of this then find her guilty MH the problem with this
you hypoc Christian is that you lied on the stand and if you didn't lie on the stand
then then maybe she is found guilty right so you can't sit there and say well you know God gave me the answers
you're lying for some of those answers well and I think in my opinion that uh Cindy was the most interesting person to
watch on the stand and it was uh one CU I didn't know I never had a clue what she was going to say next what her
answer would be to the next question right um but the thing that was fascinating to me is you know the
prosecution's made up of a team it's not just one person you know they had they had a you know very
bright group of people working on this prosecution team and but she would go toeo Toe with every one of them and she
would get you know she make her mean little face and she'd point at them from time to time and she would argue with
them you know she would dance with anybody on that prosecution team she is definitely a bright individual and
anytime that the prosecutors seemed unhappy with her answers or like they maybe they didn't believe her uh she was
willing to argue it uh till the end of the day if she had to so it was interesting to me to watch the
interaction between her and the prosecutors when they necessarily didn't agree with what she was saying and I and
I want to be clear I feel for this individual right mhm she lost her baby you know yeah her
granddaughter but her baby and then in the process she's losing her daughter right I to I can't even imagine or to to
begin to tell you what I would do but I have it's really hard for me to lie because I physically get sick for
example I did well I can't even say it I was going to go to do 10 miles on my bike the other day right okay somebody
text me they said how many miles did you get well I got 9.9 right most people would just go 10 you look like you're
physically getting sick yeah cuz I can't but it's like like but some people just
uh some people are just honest people and and maybe she was lying look if she's lying to protect her daughter I
feel for you but at the same time there's no justice there's no justice for that little baby and and and that's
something that you could have gave to that little baby that you didn't mhm well there was also a big question
regarding uh another one of her actions and this would be that private investigators that worked for the
Anthony family now I want to be clear on this they did not work for Casey Anthony
they worked for George and Cindy Anthony uh there was a and I don't really understand what the defense was trying
to point out about this situation but uh they were trying to prove that Cindy had
sent the private investigators to search the area where kayle's body would later
be found um maybe they were trying to point out that the that the parents knew knew where the body would be uh that
where the body would be found and that they wanted their investigators to find the body um obviously that didn't happen
or maybe there was a tip yeah and um Cindy would deny that on stand uh she said that she never sent the private
investigators to that area to find to to look for kayle's body um but even though
that there was proof of that right well the the proof came with some other people involved in the trial first of
all you had um uh remember melish detective melish that we talked about he stated that he heard Cindy direct them
to that area to to search that area uh we also have Lee Anthony her own son says that under testified to this that
he knew that his mother sent the investigators to that area to search for Kaye um he states that she sent them to
that area after she had spoken to a psychic um but again she would deny this and this is another part of the trial
where you see them call Cindy for a little bit she gives her testimony then they call these other people to kind of
you know uh discredit that and then they call Cindy again and she sticks with what she had said now uh on the stand
though Lee the the other thing that I found interesting that he had said as well Lee would be the brother yes that's
Casey's older brother um Lee Anthony stated that he was not told that Casey was pregnant with Kaye until just days
before kayle's birth so that kind of backs up the weird thing that the defense brought up with Cindy's brother
saying you know it was kind of like the parents were trying to hide this this pregnancy um you know during even when
Casey was s and a half months pregnant well and again one of the things I thought was
funny about the Discovery ID documentary was how she was saying you know oh well
Casey was so excited to have this baby and she wanted this baby and she was wanted to be a mother and we were all
excited uh that's not true seem and then we have a we have friends that came forward saying oh well when she found
out that she was pregnant she really didn't know who the father was and then she was like I'm just going to have an
abortion and then the mother talked her out of that and probably the mother said
oh no we'll be here for you and and we'll we'll we'll help you and so you didn't know who the father was then she
lied to guys about who the father was and then they had to take test and figure out well you're lying to me well
there's no honor Amongst Thieves right and I know they're not thieves but but we're talking about a lot of people
telling a lot of stories that just don't add up at the end of the day uh a couple
things that took place with Casey during the trial we talked about her breaking down and uh during when they were
showing the picture of pictures of the remains um but some other interesting tidbits was on June 25th uh judge bin
Perry Jr he temporarily halts proceedings after the defense makes a motion to determine if Casey was even
competent to stand uh or to proceed with the trial uh two days later she is found
competent and they carry on with the trial this is after a psychological evaluation uh just a few days after that
uh this is when Casey tells the judge that she does not want to testify on her own behalf so for those of you that
didn't keep track during the trial or didn't watch the trial she actually never took the stand now the defense is
going to call a witness named Crystal Holloway yes and for me this is like the Matlock witness remember the old
courtroom show drama Matlock and once in a while they would you know not every episode but once in a while they'd pull
some witness or you person up to the stand and it was the witness that's totally out of left field somebody you
didn't expect to hear from the whole episode you never heard of this person and all of a sudden everything becomes
very clear well I don't know that this made anything more clear for me but what it did do was this was the witness out
of nowhere for me I didn't know who this person was and when they started making
these statements I thought wow this is this is truly truly a mystery here now Crystal Holloway she was actually a uh
volunteer that that that volunteered during some of these searches for Kaylee um and she was called To The Stand
because she well according to her testimony she states that she had an affair with
George Anthony and she states that George Anthony during the course of their relationship had told her that
kayle's death was simply an accident that snowballed out of control now under cross-examination she also agreed uh
with her earlier statement to police which she said George Anthony did not say that he knew it was an accident uh
which is pretty confusing in itself uh but the thing we have here okay um Judge Perry ends up telling the jurors that
Crystal Holloway's testimony could it could be used to impeach George Anthony's credibility but that it was
not proof of how Kaylee died so we get some additional instruction from from the judge to the jury there which is a
little more than what I think is necessary but when they go back and talk to George you know she claims she had an
affair with him and he denies that yes and he doesn't deny that he went to her house which I thought was kind of odd uh
cuz he claimed I think he went to her house three times yeah that's quite a bit well you're a married man I don't
know if you should be going over to a lady's house that many times that especially somebody that you just met
just just came into your life it's not like a longtime friend or anything yeah Crystal Holloway would claim that they
had a sexual relationship that they had a romantic Affair that went on for some time uh that they spoke not only you
know not only over the phone but they texted one another from time to time and furthermore that she loaned George quite
a bit of money I think it was like $5,000 or something like that which I kind of that to me kind of rings true of
a kind of a true statement cuz we know how much George had issues financially mhm so but we also have to take into
account you know where this is coming from right this is coming from a lady that got involved with the searches uh
some people want to find the missing baby right some people just want to be involved mhm right and I think this is
one of those people yeah I think she just wanted to be involved and when the searches are over okay I can you know is
it a madeup story that they had a fair I don't know is it a madeup story that George told her or something I don't
know right you know I I just I you know there's so many people on this case that lie yeah that it's hard to believe
anything anyone's saying well and I and I believe that she gave that she said that he told her that statement that it
was an accident that snowballed out of control before they found the body of Kaye now the other thing that the that
the defense would present is that she lived in one of those condo communities this Crystal Holloway and they had a
security guard from that from that condo community that had seen George going to
and from her condo on several occasions now like you said George does not deny that he went to visit her he does deny
any type of romantic relationship with her he denies that he ever borrowed any money from her he does state that he
visited her on several occasions he exchanged text messages with her um he was stating that she he was under the
impression that she had some form of cancer or a tumor and that he thought that he was you know she needed somebody
to talk with she needed somebody to spend some time with her and that he thought he was doing a good deed in
spending time with her and helping her through her her troubled time as far as closing statements go they did a lot of
just repeat they basically mirr what both the defense and the prosecution was trying to prove in their opening
statements and throughout the course of the trial one of the big differences here though was because bz didn't prove
or even try to prove any sexual abuse mhm that the they were ordered by the judge that you can't talk about that in
closing in your closing argument correct you can't bring that up correct you didn't and to me that's that's pretty
sneaky pretty slimy to make these allegations from the get-go to make all the jury go whoa what's going on here
here you can't unhear things sometimes mhm and I think that's kind of what Bas was doing there this is absolutely a
whale of a case everything that took place before and then we get to the trial was it the trial of the century
one could argue that you know the trial against the woman the most hated woman in America well it's a whale of evidence
right it's a all that all the lies and all that speculation of what was going on in those 31 days uh such a mystery
like we said the trial's huge now we have to go over the verdict mhm and then we have to go over the aftermath there's
all these odd things that keep popping up some stuff that just popped up recently and uh the parents have
interesting theories now looking back on things and then of course our thoughts on the troll I'm looking forward to that
Captain maybe tomorrow you know what maybe I'll take the handcuffs off you and and stop holding your back so much
regarding this I can't tell you guys how many times I've had to edit some of my bad words we'll certainly give you a
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Casey Anthony /// Part 3 /// 103

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Back in 2008 when 2 year old Caylee Anthony was reported missing the news media flocked to Orlando, Florida. When her little body was found in the woods near the Anthony’s home, we watched. When Casey Anthony screamed at her parents on video footage from jail, we watched. When the state of Florida charged Casey with first degree murder and the trial started, we watched and we couldn’t get enough. Today we go through one of the craziest trials in Florida criminal history. Join us in the garage for a cold one or two. Cheers! Beer of the Week – Devil’s Triangle by Florida Beer Company Garage Grade – 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the Casey Anthony trial, focusing on evidence, testimonies, and emotional impacts on the family.

Key points

Celebrating Sobriety. A heartfelt shoutout to Tony for 7 years of sobriety.
The Casey Anthony Trial Begins. The trial of the most hated woman in America is about to start.
The Lies and Secrets of the Anthony Family. The case reveals a history of abuse and deception within the Anthony family.
George Anthony's Suicide Attempt. George's suicide attempt raises questions about his involvement in Kaylee's death.
The Emotional Suicide Note. George's suicide note reveals deep regret and a desire for reconciliation with his family.
Diane Fanning's Speculation. True crime author Diane Fanning speculates on Casey Anthony's actions surrounding the shovel.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I don't know, it just felt like the right time to go.

A poignant reflection on a tragic decision.

9:32WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

75/ 100High tension

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