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December of 2008 you learned in December of 2008 that the remains of your granddaughter were found
is that correct yes sir what effect did that have on you when you learned that Haley's remains had been
a deep a deep heart inside tears the whole gamut of just an emotional loss or breakdown inside of me
and seeing what my wife and my son went through up to that moment had you held out
the hope that Kaylee would be found alive absolutely every day from July 15th until the day we are told
it was kindly in January of 2009 you went oh thank you breakfast man that's right let me get through this I
need to have something inside of me to get through this do you need to break your staff no sir
I'm fine January just let me know when you're when you're okay I'm okay sir on January 22nd of 2009 Mr Anthony you
went and got a gun didn't you my understanding of the events of this date are that Mr Anthony
went and got a gun that he did so with the purpose I believe he will testify he did so with
the purpose of forcing people who he believed might know something about who killed Kaylee specifically friends
or boyfriends of the defendant with the intention of forcing them to reveal what they knew
and then taking his own life it is revealed in the suicide note and I believe he will testify
that that's what happened the defense has brought up the suicide I do so the court knows intend for him
to identify his suicide note and in my case I do intend to offer it because it shows that on January 22nd of
2009 this man had no idea who killed Kaylee Marie Anthony and it rebuts implications by the defense that he did
is directly contradictory to the defense's argument and it is proof and I do have case law when we try to
admit the note but at this point the circumstances of suicide were raised by defense counsel when he asked the
question about that event and I believe I'm entitled to go into that on the 22nd
of January of 2009. this is um approximately six weeks after The Remains were found
did you travel to a hotel in Daytona Beach for the purposes of taking your own life
yes sir why on that particular day did you decide to take your life why that particular day I picked out I I
really don't know all I know is my emotional state even through today is uh is very hard to accept that I don't have
a granddaughter anymore but for that particular day I don't know I just felt like the right
time to go and be with Kaylee did you show up call relatives and perhaps not literally but say good say
your last goodbyes to them Oro I wanted to talk to my parents uh my sisters I know I called my son and then my wife
and just step it out now I was okay um yes to say goodbye from last time did any of them try to get you to tell
where you were do you remember the the content of the conversations no because really I was supposed to be going to a
meeting that day and uh I just I know I just decided that was the time for me to get away from all this to spend time
with Kaylee [Music] the trial of Casey Anthony the trial of the woman that the media was calling the
most hated woman in America is about to be underway but before we get eyeballs deep into the trial just a couple of
little tidbits leading up to it we have April 14 2009 that's when the State of Florida announces that they will seek
the death penalty in the trial against Casey Anthony January 26 2010 Casey Anthony pleads
guilty for 13 fraudulent check charges in April of 2010 Judge Stan Strickland steps down after the defense team files
a motion accusing him of having an appropriate conversations with a blogger now this blogger who goes by the name of
marinade Dave he blogged about the Casey Anthony case often and he had articles about the case and one of his articles
was titled Casey Anthony Must Die Strickland basically had oh that guy was just who's getting right to the point
yeah he it seems like the Blogger had already chose his side and it might be easily considered inappropriate for the
judge to be having interactions with this blogger basically judge Strickland had a private meeting with the Blogger
having lunch with him uh discussing the case and even giving him a tour of sorts
of the court building and it turns out that Judge Stan Strickland was a fan of marinade Dave so
after the defense files the motion Stan Strickland steps down for the trial Strickland would make a comment to the
media stating that it appears that the truth and Miss Anthony are strangers yes that was a comment that he had made and
of course Jose Baez in the defense team later would state that this is a big time inappropriate statement for the
judge to be making so we now have judge Belvin Perry Jr who is appointed to take
over the case August 14 2010 Cindy Anthony appears as a guest on The Today Show where she calls Casey Anthony a
victim and she also claims that she is not involved with what happened to Kaylee's remains
later that month George and Cindy Anthony's attorney Brad Conway he steps down because he disputes a Jose Baez
motion claiming Conway was given unrestricted access to documents belonging to Texas equisearch to which
the defense team was not given the same access before jury selection the defense filed
a motion for a change of venue to move the trial out of Orlando you know you we have this this this case that's about to
go to trial it's probably going to be the biggest case they kind of knew this going in I mean because the media
coverage before the trial was gigantic and I think this is probably because of you know the precursor like the O.J
Simpson trial yeah and you have like you said we have this media circus we have all these people she's already been
basically convicted in the Public's eye wouldn't you agree and and the thing here is Jose Baez in the defense team
well they have an obligation to their client to provide her with a fair trial and they don't think that they're going
to be able to get that in Orlando with all the media coverage that they have had so they filed for this motion of
change of venue um and it's by us same says that he was hoping that the trial will get moved to
a place like Miami you know a place that has a lot more going on the more hustle
and bustle where people weren't so in tune or so locked into all the media coverage of this case what ends up
happening is Judge Perry decides that they would not have a change of venue in order to find a fair jury but rather the
judge would select a city for the jury pool and they would bus this jury into Orlando and the location when when he
says this the location of his choosing is not revealed to anyone for a while but it is announced later that Saint
Petersburg Clearwater Florida would be the location for the jury pool which is actually it's curious why he picks this
location because it's only about an hour and a half away from Orlando and now at
this point we're at the jury selection so let's dive into that for a minute yeah after the trial defense attorney
Jose Baez has spoke of what they were looking for as they tried to strategize about shaping the jury to its liking
Jose said that the plan was to avoid young mothers and especially single mothers stating that young and or single
mothers would be constantly comparing themselves or comparing Casey to themselves throughout the trial and they
most likely would have a strong hate for Casey or at the very least May convict her of murder just because they feel
that she is a bad mother they were hoping to fill the jury with as many males over the age of 45 as
possible the thinking here is that an older the older men may look at a female of Casey's age pretty much as like a
child where you might be more willing to forgive a child or maybe Overlook some acts that a child would make on May 20th
2011 after 11 days of jury selection Judge Perry swears in a jury of five men and seven women plus three men and two
women as alternate jurors now I want to take just a minute here and go through the jury that was selected for this
trial we'll we'll let them remain nameless but we'll talk about them how the prosecutor as well as the defense
team kind of saw them going into the selection process now the first woman that was selected she's an elderly
Caucasian woman and she's a retired nurse now the defense was happy about this selection because you know older
women she's a nurse nurse nurses tend to be nurturing and the defense also thought that there were some problems
with some of the forensic evidence that the nurse might have somewhat of an understanding of
um the second juror was a 45 year old African-American male he's an I.T guy we've already discussed some things
regarding the I.T situation you know the the use of the family computer um so they thought that somebody with
knowledge in that background could be good for the defense could also work out poorly for you and sway to the
prosecution side the third juror was a 32 year old Caucasian female she was a volunteer at an alternative lifestyle
camp and this this is a person that the jury really liked even though she was a jury
really like you mean the defense really um I apologize the defense really liked this election because of her
volunteering at this uh at this camp that she might be somebody that was more understanding of young people or young
adults and have have some mindset towards that the fourth juror selected was a 54 year
old African-American lady uh now the thing I got to point out here is that the defense wanted to they wanted a
mixed race jury uh the defense stated that African Americans have historically have been discriminated by law so of
course they are less trusting of law enforcement and they wanted to kind of put they they really wanted to put a
bunch of African Americans on the jury because of their distrust of law enforcement and also that they they
believed that because it was a death penalty case that that could sway in their favor as well well I think we both
we've talked about this before we we both believe that that you know looking back that that was probably a mistake
you know by the prosecutors to or the State of Florida to go after the death penalty yes
the fifth juror selected was a 71 year old Caucasian woman retired um and there was a couple things that
the defense really liked about her because of her age she didn't have any young children uh and the other thing
was she didn't own a computer nor had she ever owned a computer so this was somebody that they knew right away might
not have been privy to a lot of the information out there about Casey against Casey this is somebody that
wouldn't be you know communicating with bloggers or reading blogs about Casey juror number six it was a 37 year old
white Caucasian male he was a chef yeah and he had several young children that lived at his home so this was one that
the prosecution uh really liked because of the fact of him having young kids um juror number seven is a 47 year old
divorce Caucasian female she was a youth counselor so you could kind of lump her
in the group with the uh the volunteer at the uh the camp right the summer camp juror number eight we have a 60 year old
Caucasian woman um she is a service rep for a phone company uh and juror number nine is a 53
year old Caucasian male who is unemployed juror number 10 uh 57 year old Caucasian
male now he too was a service rep for a phone company and this is the same phone
company as juror number eight which was of major concern to both the prosecutor and the defense uh the fear being here
that the two knew each other uh but it was very quickly established that they did not
juror number 11 was a 30 year old Caucasian uh male gym teacher at a high school uh apparently this guy was pretty
good looking um okay yeah this is not the defense or the prosecutor stating that this man is
this is handsome this is your statement this is my statement this was one good looking juror he was he was one handsome
man wink wink um no but the thing here is the the reason why I say he must be pretty good
looking is because some of the media would refer to him as instead of Juror number 11 they would refer to him as
George Clooney so I get anytime you get compared to that guy right everybody wants to be compared to that guy I've
never I've never been compared to that guy it's not happening for me either juror number 12 is a 61 year old
Caucasian female and she worked at a Publix grocery store um you know we see some wins as far as
the prosecutions concerned in some way ends as far as the defense is concerned but those are their kind of General
thoughts on the jury that was selected for this trial now you know that both the prosecution and the defense they get
a good opportunity to vet these people before they are chosen to be on the jury and according to questioning it appeared
that out of the 12 jurors chose chosen that only one was considered to be pro-death penalty uh May 24 2011 the
trial begins in Orlando Florida the prosecution States after Casey's parents left the house on June 16 2000 wait hold
on I'm just trying to follow you we're now to opening statements we yes we are now at the opening statement of of the
big trial some are calling it The Trial of the century the trial against the most hated woman in America and the
troll trial yes the prosecution states that Casey's parents left the house on June 16
2008. Casey returned to the home with Kaylee at this time using chloroform Casey knocked the kid out and placed
duct tape over the mouth and nose of the child the baby suffocating her she then bundled the little girl's body
up in trash bags and a laundry bag place them in the trunk of the vehicle she was
driving and left the home that evening she went on a date with her boyfriend going to the Blockbuster Video Store to
rent some movies which we talked about last episode then sometime before her vehicle was towed from the parking lot
Casey Anthony dumped the body in a wooded area just several feet from Suburban Road about one quarter of a
mile from the Anthony home during the prosecution's opening statement they made these claims and they went on to go
through each of the events that took place in the 31 days that expired between the time Kaylee went missing and
the time that she was reported as such needless to say it was a rather lengthy opening statement
the defense States that Kaylee never was missing Kaylee Anthony died June 16 2008 when she
drowned in her family's swimming pool defense attorney Jose Baez says to the jury that the Anthony family is
extremely dysfunctional and the Jose Baez wanted to take the jury into the Anthony home on Hope Spring Drive
stating that Casey was out partying and having fun during the days that Kaylee was unaccounted for because she was
hiding in that deep dark place called denial a place that she had hid most of her life
the defense told the jury that Casey was a good mother that Kaylee was never abused and was never without food
without clothing Or Without Shelter stating that the jury would not hear one person testify about Kaylee being abused
or mistreated by Casey and bias is going to claim that you know this whole family
is just about lies and secrets and this is going to start way back when Casey was just eight years old yes the lies
and secrets are all wrapped in this case and it started when she's eight years old when her father came into her room
and began to touch her inappropriately and it escalated and escalated it started with fondling and then led to
intercourse he stated that George was having sex with Casey several times a week until she was 12 years old Baya
suspected that George either stopped at this time because she was getting either
too old for his taste or the threat of the young girl getting pregnant and then when Casey was older her older
brother Lee then inherited the traits of his father and Lee began sneaking into Casey's room at night and fondling her
this started with with Lee when Casey was 15 years old and these were all secrets that Casey
kept that she hid and this is why she is a liar she had to learn to lie to hide the Family secret pointing out further
how dysfunctional the Anthony family is baya's brought up a wedding attended by the Anthony family when Casey was seven
months pregnant and and showing it too she's showing the pregnancy the whole family attended this wedding and when
when Cindy's brother asked her well isn't there something you would like to tell me about my niece Cindy asked what
and her her brother says well she's clearly pregnant Cindy and George denied the pregnancy
explaining Casey was just overweight Baez pointed out that the parents hid the pregnancy and that if they hid this
child in life they would certainly hide this child in death stating they hid this child like a flower in the Attic So
what were the defensive's claims to the accounts of death yeah that's one thing that I found very interesting was that
bias went on to explain to the jury how Kaylee had died stating that on the morning of June 16th Cindy woke Casey
and Kaylee before she left for work around 7 A.M saying goodbye to them in their bed then the two went back to
sleep sometime later George woke Casey up this is estimated to be several hours later and started yelling at her you
know where's where's Kaylee where's Kaylee and the two of them went and searched the house they searched the
closets they searched under the beds and in the garage then the backyard and then
noticing the pool ladder to the families of above ground pool was still up he told the jury how George held Kaylee's
lifeless body and yelled at Casey as Casey cried telling Casey that her mother would never forgive her for this
and that she was going to go to prison for the rest of her life for child neglect the other thing he kind of
brains up which is you know smart on his part is he says well look here's another
thing that's a problem with the prosecution's claims is they don't really know how the baby died we don't
know how Kaylee died so therefore how can you charge somebody with murder and on top of that go after the death
penalty when you don't know exactly how she died yeah and I think that I mean that had to have been a smart thing to
do you know they don't know the cause of death and he's stating this right out of
the gate and he's letting you know that you know you're going to hear this from the prosecution side later what I'm
telling you now they're going to back it up that they don't have the cause of death so how can we charge anybody with
murder we'll get right back to the trial of Casey Anthony right after this quick
beer break all right cheers mates back to the troll trials now we have a lengthy trial to
cover here captain and we can't go through every detail of such there were a lot of people that were called to
testify and if we did so this this show we would basically have to do a show that was the length of the trial and
we're here to just kind of point out the important parts as we see them as well as maybe some you know Peaks and valleys
that took place during the course of the trial so we're going to kind of pick some key players some key characters
that were involved in this trial and we'll kind of give an overview of what took place of of the statements that
they made and testified to so the first witness that is called by the prosecution is George Anthony now under
oath he would state that he never sexually abused his daughter Casey he's going to state that he had no knowledge
of the death of Kaylee or did he cover up the death of Kaylee in any way also under tested while testifying he
will state that he as well as the tow truck manager both agreed that from their experiences that they did smell
what they consider to be human decomposition coming from Casey's car before George drove it home all right
right so exactly when they go to uh pick up the car from it being in pound they both smell the same thing yes and this
would be in July now under cross-examination George Anthony is going to state that he did not smell
decomposition in Casey's car on June 24th 2008. now this is when he would have seen the vehicle back at his home
before it was ever towed and just to be clear he was not actually in this vehicle he was just feet away from the
vehicle out on the 24th the other thing that he would State too remember Casey returned gas cans to him that were
stolen from his shed she stole from the shed now he would state that he did put duct tape over one of those cans after
she had returned them to him he also testified that he had bought a gun to threaten Casey's friends into
telling him where Kaylee was even though he knew that having a gun violated Casey's bail now the thing here is
George believed that when they could not find Kaylee that that not only Casey may
have known where she was but her friends the people that she was shacking up with
during this 30-day time period that they would know more about the Kaylee situation than her than he and Cindy
knew and he thought he was going to have to go and talk to these people and ask the hard questions often thought this
would make an amazing show right so what you do is you maybe you dress up like clowns I don't know because clowns are
creepy and he gets some guns and some torturing devices and you and these cases that aren't solved that you really
want solved you find these individuals and you torture them to until they tell you all right
I think I'd be a good show it might work well I'm not putting my stamp on that hey uh
Discovery call me that's right call him Jose is then asked George Anthony about his suicide attempt which took place in
January of 2009 and the next day the judge allows the jury to see the suicide note now this is one thing that we are
yet to cover in this case George Anthony did have a suicide attempt this took place January 23 2009 the the basics of
it are this that George decides to check himself into a hotel he takes about 70 pills and he drinks as much alcohol as
he can in attempt to take his and end his own life while there he was texting family members and calling some of them
and he did in fact leave that suicide note which the judge allows the jury to read I think this is important evidence
for the prosecution because the defense is trying to paint a picture here that you know well look the how she died was
that that George found Kaylee in the poll and what the prosecution is going to claim is
based off the evidence and the suicide note it proves that George wasn't involved
and he had no knowledge of what was going on so do you want to read that note well it's a bit of a double-edged
sword isn't it because I think I think at the time that the defense is trying to state that you know this might show
that there was a lot more going on with George and but I think you're right the prosecution as well they're they're like
yeah this also kind of shows he's innocent regardless it's full of emotion and the the suicide note that the jury
was allowed to read is as follows it says Symphony Marie as you get this letter this should be no
surprise that I have decided to leave this earth because I need to be with Kaylee Marie I cannot keep going because
it should be me that is gone from this Earth not her I have lived many years I am satisfied with my decision because I
have never been the man you Lee Casey and especially Kaylee Marie deserved I have never been the man any of you could
count on I have always let each of you down in more ways than I can remember I do not
feel sorry for myself I am just sorry I burden all of you the way I have my loss
of life is meaningless Cynthia Marie you have always worked your hardest given the most to me and I have never thanked
you 28 plus years ago you corrected me a man who has now found his identity and life
what I mean is you always challenged me the right way and I always could never live up to your expectations you have
always been smarter more knowledgeable and thought things through and I love you for that
I cannot be strong anymore Kaylee Marie our granddaughter I miss her I miss her so much I know you do too you
were always the one that provided for her what did I provide I blame myself for her being gone
you know for months as a matter of fact for a year or so I brought stuff up only
to be told not to be negative Kaylee Marie I miss her I miss her I want my family back
I sit here following apart because I should have done more she was so close to home why was she there who
placed her there why is she gone for months you and I especially you always question why
I want this to go away for Casey what happened why could she not come to us especially you or why not Lee
who is involved with this stuff with Kaylee I'm going crazy because I want to go after these people Casey hung with
prior to Kaylee being gone that is why I got that gun I wanted to scare these people you know they know
more than they have stated you cannot sugar coat Kid Glove these people they need Hard Knocks to get info from
sure that will not bring Kaylee Marie back but was Casey threatened you know Casey does not deserve to be where she
is I miss her I miss her so much I am worried for her her personal safety is always on my mind I try to deal with so
so much as I do you also I have never wanted to my family for sorrow in any way I realize families have ups and downs
but we have suffered our share and then some Cynthia Marie you have always deserved
more and with me being gone you will I have always brought you down you know that you are better off
Lee will be there for you I cannot function knowing our granddaughter is gone Kaylee Marie never had a chance to
grow I wanted to walk her to school I wanted to help her in so many ways I sit here empty inside for her for you for us
yes you deserve more and you will have freedom to enjoy what you deserve I have taken what meds was given to me with
alcohol and I'm ready to give up as I can tell by my writing and thinking I am getting very stupid wow what a word
stupid yes I am again I do not feel sorry for myself I am stupid I cannot deal with stuff anymore the loss of
Kaylee Marie the loss of Casey the loss of us Cynthia Marie the meds I am ready saying goodbyes please understand it is
for the best I do not deserve life anymore you are the best you always have been I am sorry
for all that I have done to us I love you I hope you get to see Casey soon I am sorry I will take care of Kaylee once
I get to God hopefully I want to hold her again I miss her I will always love us I am sorry Cynthia Marie I am so
tired I am sorry I love you Cynthia Marie Kaylee here I come Lee I am sorry and like I've stated from the beginning
um George was more of her father you know Kaylee's father and he was the grandfather because she didn't have a
father figure so I would assume that that's how Kaylee saw him and so I think this was a pretty
crushing blow to him I think it just points to the idea that he didn't know what happened so the defense's argument
that Kaylee drowned and that George helped Casey cover this up I think is a lot of malarkey yeah and I to be honest
with you Captain I don't know which side of the fence was pushing for the suicide
note to be viewed by the jury I think what the defense was trying to do I don't think they were trying to accuse
him of murder obviously they never State at any point during the trial that they
believe he killed the girl right but I think what the defense was trying to do was bring up this suicide attempt by
pointing out pointing out that George may have you know because of the suicide maybe he did have more involvement maybe
he had more on his chest than we know about and well I think they brought I think they brought up the idea of
suicide and then I think the prosecution is the one saying hey look if you're going to bring this up that's fine but
that's then we're going to look at this note and by the context of the note it points to the fact that he didn't know
anything about it and I yeah I agree it would be totally different if he said I can't live with myself for what I've
done but I didn't say that he said I got a gun and I wanted to get answers you know and I and these people know more
the thing that constantly brings constantly with this family is the enabling and and parents never want
their children to fail they never want them to hit rock bottom and most of the time people know that if somebody's
going through some crap in their life they have to hit rock bottom but if you have parents or friends that keep
enabling you and keep bringing you to the surface you never hit rock bottom and I think that's what happened
constantly with this family again even in this note even at the time of his well you know wanting to take his own
life to be with his granddaughter he keeps on saying my daughter doesn't deserve to be where she's at
um uh yes she does yeah but that's the parent in him speaking and I and I think what you hear in right suicide note
right but some parents are more enablers than others yeah and I think I think what you hear in that suicide note
you're exactly right I think the it it totally if you if anybody on the jury had any speculation that the suicide
attempt would help further the defense's case if if you would believe that George
knew then what you were talking about I think the suicide note clears that up really quickly and it it washes that all
away for me because in that note yes he's talking about mainly about his shortcomings and things that the family
deserved better and he didn't give enough and didn't do enough but he never says that he's guilty of anything other
than maybe he could have been a better parent or a better husband at times right and I think these are all thoughts
that whether we're having good days or bad days I think we all have those thoughts in in the back of our minds
from time to time that we could be better parents we could be better spouses we could be better brothers or
sisters or or children uh to our parents you know we you always have those feelings inside of you and that
certainly there's no there's no words of guilt in my mind in that suicide note you do the best you can as a parent you
try to provide at the end of the day you just can all you can do is try your best
you know tough thing but then so then next they're going to start bringing up character Witnesses for Casey Anthony
yeah they're gonna call a lot of Casey's friends to the stand um and we're not going to go through
them individually but the the basic summary of what they're all kind of saying is that all of them had heard
Casey at one point or several points tell them lies about Casey having a job during that June and July of 2008 the 30
days basically yep about uh the nanny you know that Kaylee had a nanny these were all lies that she didn't just tell
to her family she was telling them to the friends as well there were some that kind of stood out from from amongst the
group there one would be Amy remember her friend Amy the one that she uh stole money from yeah she stole the checks
from her now Amy would state that she received a text from Casey on June 27th stating that he Casey had a dead animal
that she had hit with the vehicle and that was kind of wedged up in the the frame of her car and that's
all the further explanation she gives regarding this may be pointing out why there might be some kind of foul smell
coming from the vehicle um another one of importance is a former boyfriend testifies that Casey told him
that uh Casey's brother Lee Anthony had sexually groped her at one point in her life Judge Perry does not allow the the
jury to hear testimony from Casey's uh ex-boyfriend stating this um that that he had tried to grope her
and a witness that I thought was really interesting was the neighbor the neighbor came forward and said that in
mid-june that uh Casey came over with her boyfriend and asked to borrow a shovel because she wanted to dig up a
bamboo root yeah and there's some interesting things here um you know he couldn't give a date on
that but he did say it was sometime in mid-june it didn't seem of anything of great importance to him so why would
would he remember the exact date the thing here is you know there there's a great true crime author Diane Fanning
who who wrote a book very early in this case actually before it went to trial and shortly after she was arrested uh
Casey Anthony being arrested not Diane Fanning but Diane gives her gives her kind of idea of what she thinks happened
in this case and one thing she states in there is that she believed it was unbeknownst to her at the time that that
Tony was with Casey when she went to borrow the the shovel and Diane speculated that maybe uh Casey had
borrowed the shovel to to assist in disposing of the body and that maybe the dogs remember the dogs had gone the
cadaver dogs had smelled and hit on some points in the backyard of the Anthony family home right and her thought was
maybe Casey's original thought was that she would bury the body in the backyard we now know at this time she was not
alone on that day she was was with her boyfriend Tony and he would further testify that they actually borrowed the
shovel to break into the shed where they were going to go steal the the gas cans
now they're going to start calling police officers and FBI agents and the first police officers that arrive at the
Anthony's household the day that they're going to report her missing remember those the 9-1-1 calls they're going to
claim that in the Pontiac they didn't actually smell any deceased body right right they they didn't smell any human
decomposition in Casey's car they also did admit that they did not search the other two vehicles that were on the
property that night a dog handler that is called he describes the dog alerting to human
decomposition in the trunk of this vehicle as well as near Kaylee's playhouse in the backyard now and just
since we're on this point right they actually had a scientist that did this study or did this test basically he
created this test yes and what they would do was they would take the sample and they would kind of I think they
would liquefy it and then turn it into a vapor and then somehow put that into a can whatever anyways the test was to
prove that there was a rotting body basically in the trunk of the car yeah right and so he he's done this test many
times he created the test he created the he created the contraption that that conducts the test this is Dr uh Voss
and he you know he's got some big long word that describes this contraption that is going to conduct this test but
he does state that he found uh using this test signs of human decomposition and a high level of chloroform in the
trunk of Casey's car so now we got two things pointing against Casey Anthony now Baez the defense attorney is going
to do something pretty smart here he's going to State well that's great that you have this it's scientific proof okay
it's not this is not an opinion right this is scientific proof and bias kind of shatter is that by saying well you've
never testified before well not only has he not testified but also this method of
of determining that there was human decomposition in the trunk has never been used in any trial anywhere before
right and I would also just like to make the statement that it has been several hundreds hundreds of times now
since since this date right uh yeah Baez would go on to claim that Dr Voss had a
uh Financial uh course in this because if if he could get it into one trial then this would be
considered somewhat fact and it could be used all over the country and this was a
device that he could then sell to law enforcement right and a bunch of law enforcement use it now but but that's
because it's science well an FBI forensic chemist confirms chloroform residue in the trunk of Casey's car but
also states that household cleaning products leave traces of chloroform right a professor of chemistry called by
the defense says that chemical compounds identified by Dr Voss and air samples can be found in household products and
garbage as well what ends up happening here is we get into this lengthy battle over is this test going to be considered
evidence or not you know you have the prosecution wants it to be evidence obviously and the defense is going to
try to poke as many holes in it as they possibly can I found that this was one part of the trial that got a little
chippy you know where it seemed like the defense and the the prosecution were kind of going at one another more than
talking to the experts right what ends up happening is that Judge Perry decides because I don't I'm not clear on how
they got to this point but this is how chippy it got Judge Perry decides that he is not going to allow the jury to
sniff air samples that were taken from the car trunk from the trunk yeah they don't need to do that yeah here here
smell this don't be one of those people oh my God this salad tastes so bad try it
no well while actually while we're on the trunk of the car let's talk about the single hair that was removed from
the the trunk of the vehicle uh and this was similar to the hair uh from Kaylee's
hair brush and it had what what they call as root banding and it was consistent with that from a decomposing
body uh that's what I'm calling the death band on that hair the thing here is you know this is something that they
are again it's kind of like the the smell coming from the trunk they have some proof of this but the defense is
pretty quick to poke some holes in this as well because there were other hairs that they found you're a mother of a the
child the child's in your car there's hairs everywhere right so I so that's fine and that's going to be easy for the
defense to poke holes in but the fact that there's this band is what's way more interesting to me yeah they were
able to get somebody the defense was able to get someone to testify that that finding that on that hair could also
just mean that it sat in the trunk of the car for an extended period of time right which you would think that like if
you're getting groceries in and out of a car a hair could fall off of her you know it's pretty easy to explain another
thing that was brought up uh We've brought up the duct tape already well crime scene investigators identified a
piece of Hinkle brand duct tape uh found at the the scene and testified that it is the same brand as George Anthony put
on the red gas can uh one investigator states that no Hinkle brand tape was found elsewhere in the Anthony's home
now FBI they did test on on this duct tape that was found on Kaylee's body and they could not find any fingerprints
on this duct tape they didn't find Casey's fingerprints they didn't find George Anthony's fingerprints but the
the other thing here is uh they also didn't find any DNA now now the thing that I would argue here that this does
not point to anybody being innocent in my mind whether whether you want to fight for Casey or whether you want to
fight for George it doesn't point to either them being innocent that no DNA was found because they didn't find any
DNA of Kaylee it was on her the body was so far decomposed and on top of that duct tape has has certain natural fibers
that are in it as well and from from it sitting out it for six months in the Heat and that area had flooded at one
point and in you know in the rain and all the elements any trace of DNA was removed from the duct tape furthermore
any of those natural fibers had basically disintegrated by this point by the time that they found Kaley his body
so they have the duct tape right and then we know that that's connected to the Anthony household it's
the same brand yes and then we have this laundry basket yeah laundry bag okay so
this laundry bag they're sold in pairs the other pair is found at the Anthony household yes the the this is actually a
pretty common bag it's something you could buy at any grocery store but like the captain said it's sold in at like a
two or three pack and they found the other ones at the home uh Kaylee Anthony's whole bedroom is decorated in
Winnie the Pooh stuff and they found a Winnie the Pooh blanket at the scene now so you know yeah well and what they're
going to point out there is that you know in the beginning Casey was stating that this was well not a stranger
abduction that it was a nanny abduction oh zany The Nanny yeah and the prosecution here is pointing out that
look sorry but every item that was found where Kaylee was found was found in the
Anthony home this body was transferred from the Anthony home right basically it's saying everything that comes out of
this girl's mouth is horseshit and it's not even just the zany The Nanny thing then it became this whole well it's
somebody else and there's this whole sex ring and it's sex trafficking and all this crazy nonsense that Casey kept on
throwing out uh and that was just to get people talking about something other than her yeah well it's at this point in
the trial that you know while they're talking about the duct tape the investigators they show photographs of
the remains of Kaylee and some of these photos show that the duct tape appears to be over the mouth area now one invest
investigator does admit that the duct tape might not have originally been on the mouth and could have shifted
position as he collected The Remains at this point in the trial Casey Anthony becomes ill looking at the photographs
and the jury is dismissed for the day the prosecution also brought into the trial some video footage now we talked
about this this is all video that we've seen on CNN Fox News Nancy Grace Nancy Grace all everybody that was covering
the trial top mom this was video footage showing Casey Anthony yelling at her parents while she's in jail lying to her
parents while she's in jail and and but the interesting thing here Captain is there is video footage of her denying to
an officer on July 16 2008 that Kaylee had drowned in the pool as the officer had suggested to her
right now you would think right that this would be a big home run for the prosecution right first we have this
woman Casey Anthony that nobody likes anyway and now we are showing you video footage of her lying to her parents
right uh but what ends up happening is this actually only ends up being what I would consider to be a small victory for
the prosecution because they end up showing the jury two tapes and both of the tapes are very long extremely long
where we're only actually showing small parts of herself of Casey making herself
look very bad in a very short period and one thing that we know is one of the worst things
you can do in a trial is to bore the jury you know they they lose interest they lose focus of what's important at
that moment if you drag things out too long our listeners are saying the same thing
about the show here smell this hey come here people say have you seen those videotapes of her in prison oh man she's
the worst person ever it's very small fragments where she is the worst person ever but she is the worst person ever
but I think it's a huge home run and the jury distance catch on to that your defense came from this police officer
your defense came from well what makes the most logical sense oh she drowned in the poll this is how we're going to
defend you but you already denied that before and that's going to be your argument if I'm on the jury I'm
going this troll is lying about everything that all the evidence points to her having knowledge all the evidence
points to her line about everything and then on top of that her defense is something she already denied yeah yeah
and you know what Captain here's where I think that they made a quite a big stumble the process execution that is
one not only showing the the lengthy tapes but you know what I would have done just that little clip of her
denying it to the officer you got a pool like that JFK moment you know from Oliver Stone's great movie back into the
left back into the left back into the left you just keep showing that part and over and over again rather than
showing them almost I think they spent back into most of the day reviewing these two tapes it was extremely long
and I think you could have really just honed in on a few points and really hit the home run a grand slam even with that
back into the left of showing her denying that piece I probably would have you can play it a hundred times right
yeah just play it a hundred times uh you sure she didn't drown in the pool nope sure she didn't drive on the pool nope
just keep playing it over and over yeah so we have we have the medical examiner and I and we're not going to go through
all of that because we we know that they said that this was a homicide and we know that the defense is saying well you
can't you can't say that because you can't give us a cause of death they ruled it a homicide because of the duct
tape because the body was hidden because nobody reported her missing you know those are the reasons for doing so but
an expert that was called This is an expert in forensic entomology uh states that he found flies related to
decomposition in the trunk of Casey's car now the defense is going to call their own expert that is an expert in
the same field and this expert will state that there was if there was a body in the trunk uh they should have found
hundreds or thousands of these blowflies trapped in the trunk so where one expert
says we found we found flies uh I think it was like one or two you know maybe two or three flies and the defense is
saying that you should have found hundreds of or thousands of them let's be clear though that was all cleaned out
when they got the car right they pulled stuff from the trunk initially they all smelled a bad smell and they threw away
trash that that uh the mother claims there was maggots all over yeah maggots and flies and all that stuff so there's
your hundreds of flies that were thrown out as evidence well but also the defense is going to claim that with this
expert that these the the flies that they found that they're saying are related to a decomposing body are the
same that you would expect to find in rotting trash as well okay uh now we talked about the computer activity on
the Anthony's home computer so they're going to call the state and the defense are both going to call several software
analysts um and one will state that someone used the Anthony computer to search a website this is sizepot.com for
Chloroform 84 times on March 21st 2008 uh during four times 84 times that's a lot of research during cross-examination
this expert admits that the automatic page reloading could account for that number and there was no way of knowing
how many times chloroform was actually searched and furthermore they could not State who
or they could not know who was the person performing the searches on the computer at the right time
um but here's what's interesting go for it is that there's only two adults in the household at this time
so we have George or Casey that is by all evidence the only two adults that could have been in
the household at the time now the defense is going to call Casey's mother and she's going to come to the stand and
she's going to testify I made that search right and then the prosecution is going to come back and go hey crazy
you are at work right everything states that you're at work yeah and there's time cards to prove so
there's co-workers stating that you were there and she still lies no that was me
because I was looking up this thing uh because the bamboo you have to kill certain things of the bamboo and and I
misspelled it and it this came up and I clicked on it yeah if you type in the first few letters of what you're
searching for some a more popular search might be the first that appears and you
click on that where the prosecution dropped the ball and what the defense was ready for
was this other search death by Suffocation right and the for some reason during the trial
the the the prosecution never brought this up no they spent most of the time trying to prove that Cindy uh was not
the one that searched for Chloroform right and what what they're also able to confirm is that a search for Chloroform
on the Anthony computer uh took place not only on March 21st but uh there was also how to make chloroform on March 17
2008. so we have two different searches here the defense is also going to claim that Casey didn't know what chloroform
was and that she had searched for Chloroform because it was something she had seen on her was it her boyfriend or
ex-boyfriend at the time his Myspace or Facebook page that he had some kind of post that said win her over with
chloroform it was supposed to be some kind of joke where you see a some really shitty joke a good job you just made a
shitty joke on MySpace A well-dressed man standing behind A well-dressed woman saying when when her over with
chloroform and that the search was simply for she didn't know what it was and wanted to look it up and figure out
why that post was so funny um it which that look that explains the one but because the prosecution didn't
bring up death by Suffocation then you know they they dropped the ball there because big time while we're
talking about the investigators let's talk about a lead detective that uh testified during the trial and he stated
that there were no phone calls between Cindy and George Anthony during the week of June 16 2008 but he went on to admit
that he was not aware that George Anthony had a second cell phone now Cindy will be called to the stand to
testify yes and she will testify that she swam with Kaylee the night before she was last seen in the family's above
ground swimming pool and she also would testify that Kaylee could get up the ladder into the pool by herself
uh she also believed that Casey worked at Universal Studios in Orlando uh and believed that there was a babysitter
named zany uh Cindy Anthony says that uh her description of Casey's car smelling
like someone had died or like something had died in the damn car right and that's what we heard on the 9-1-1 call
on the stand she says that that was just simply a figure of speech that she she ultimately ended up trying to get rid of
the smell by spraying Febreze all within the car and inside the trunk as well she
says that on the evening of June 16th when she came home from work that she did find the pool ladder in the pool you
know so it was attached to the pool so somebody could get into the pool with that ladder being up and she also stated
that Kaylee did have the ability and had witnessed it on more than one occasion of opening up the sliding back door to
the home to get out to the pool by herself well you know she can't open that if it's locked right right she
couldn't or she couldn't climb the ladder if it was not up right she also stated in her testimony that
she definitely recalls the latter being up on the night of the 16th because she remembers having a conversation with
George about that ladder being up stating that it should not have been up because after swimming with Kaylee the
night before that she had remembered taking the ladder down so she had this conversation with him about why the
latter would be up to the pool at some point during the trial the defense then shows a a picture to the jury and after
hearing Cindy's comments this is a pretty powerful picture because this is a picture of of young Kaylee opening the
sliding glass door at the home it clearly showing that she was able to do so now in the picture this is kind of
a famous picture so I shouldn't have to describe it too much you cannot actually
see Kaylee's face but you kind of see what appears that she may have run into the room you see the back of her little
body with her hair and her arm is reaching up up in her hand has has opening the sliding glass door unlike
you stated before she is going to you know make the claims that she did the Google searches yeah and that's just
false and I think a lot of her testimony is just false and I think she's a liar and I also think she's somebody
that doesn't want to believe that her child is capable of uh murdering her granddaughter
and I think at this point and I think we talked about this a while back though um
is the idea that she already lost her granddaughter and she can't do anything about that
and one of the reasons why I think the prosecution shouldn't have went for the death penalty
is that by doing so you're going to put both of her parents in a defensive mode because they need to defend her at least
through the trial right right and and Casey's mother States well maybe not to the point that
she doesn't receive prison time but you know because there there was first degree murder charge and a manslaughter
charge maybe the maybe Cindy's thoughts were okay I could see maybe Casey was you know guilty of some type of
manslaughter charge but not that of a first degree murder right here's the problem with it she made this statement
saying oh well you know I prayed to God and I prayed and I prayed you know to spare my daughter's life or actually
what she stated was give me an answer if she is guilty of this then find her guilty the problem with this you
hypocritian is that you lied on the stand and if you didn't lie on the stand then
maybe she is found guilty right so you can't sit there and say well you know God gave me the answers
you're lying for some of those answers well and I think in my opinion that uh Cindy was the most
interesting person to watch on the stand and it was uh one because I didn't know
I never had a clue what she was going to say next what her answer would be to the
next question right um but the thing that was fascinating to me is you know the prosecution's made up
of a team it's not just one person you know they had they had a you know very bright group of people working on this
prosecution team and but she would go Toe to Toe with every one of them and she would get you know she'd make her
mean little face and she'd point at them from time to time and she would argue with them you know she would dance with
anybody on that prosecution team it's definitely a bright individual and any time that the prosecutors seemed unhappy
with her answers or like they maybe they didn't believe her she was willing to argue it until the end of the day if she
had to so it was interesting to me to watch the interaction between her and the prosecutors when they necessarily
didn't agree with what she was saying and I and I want to be clear I feel for this individual right
she lost her baby you know yeah her granddaughter but her baby and then in the process
she's losing her daughter right I told I can't even imagine or to to begin to tell you what I would do but I have to
it's really hard for me to lie because I physically get sick for example I did well I can't even say it I was
going to go to do 10 miles on my bike the other day right okay somebody text me they said how many miles you get
well I got 9.9 right most people would just go 10. you look like you're physically getting sick yeah because I
can't but it's like but some people just uh some people are just honest people and
and maybe she was lying look if she's lying to protect her daughter I feel for you but at the same time there's no
justice there's no justice for that little baby and and and that's something that you could have gave to that little
baby that you didn't well there was also a big question regarding uh another one of her actions
and this would be that private investigators that worked for the Anthony family now I want to be clear on
this they did not work for Casey Anthony they worked for George and Cindy Anthony
uh there was a and I don't really understand what the defense was trying to point out about this situation but uh
they were trying to prove that Cindy had sent the private investigators to search
the area where Kaylee's body would later be found um maybe they were trying to point out
that the that the parents knew where the body would be that where the body would
be found and that they wanted their investigators to find the body um obviously that didn't happen or maybe
there was a tip yeah and um Cindy would deny that on stand she said that she never sent the private
investigators to that area to find to to look for Kaylee's body um but even though there was proof of
that right well the the proof came with some other people involved in the trial first of all you had
um remember melish detective melish that we talked about he stated that he heard
Cindy direct them to that area to to search that area uh we also have Lee Anthony her own son says that under
testified to this that he knew that his mother sent the investigators to that area to search for Kaylee
um he states that she sent them to that area after she had spoken to a psychic but again she would deny this and this
is another part of the trial where you see them call Cindy for a little bit she gives her testimony then they call these
other people to kind of you know discredit that and then they call Cindy again and she sticks with what she had
said now uh on the stand though Lee the the other thing that I found interesting
that he had said as well Lee would be the brother yes that's Casey's older brother
um Lee Anthony stated that he was not told that Casey was pregnant with Kaylee until just days before Kaylee's birth so
that kind of backs up the weird thing that the defense brought up with Cindy's brother saying you know it was kind of
like the parents were trying to hide this this pregnancy um you know during even when Casey was
seven and a half months pregnant well and again that's one of the things I thought was funny
about the Discovery ID documentary was how she was saying you know oh well Casey was so excited to have this baby
and she wanted this baby and she was wanted to be a mother and we were all excited uh that's not true it doesn't
seem like and then we have a we have friends that came forward saying oh well when she found out that she was pregnant
she really didn't know who the father was and then she was like I'm just gonna have an
abortion and then the mother talked her out of that and probably the mother said
oh no we'll be here for you and and we'll we'll help you and so you didn't know who the father was then she lied to
guys about who the father was and then they had to take tests and figure out well you're lying to me well there's no
honor Amongst Thieves right and I know they're not thieves but but we're talking about a lot of people telling a
lot of stories that just don't add up at the end of the day a couple things that
took place with Casey during the trial we talked about her breaking down and during when they were showing the
picture of pictures of the remains but some other interesting tidbits was on June 25th uh judge Belvin Perry Jr he
temporary halts proceedings after the defense makes a motion to determine if Casey was even competent to stand or to
proceed with the trial two days later she is found competent and they carry on with the trial this is after a
psychological evaluation uh just a few days after that this is when Casey tells the judge that she does not want to
testify on her own behalf so for those of you that didn't keep track during the trial or didn't want trial she actually
never took the stand now the defense is going to call a witness named Crystal Holloway yes and for me this is like the
Matlock witness remember the old courtroom show drama Matlock and once in a while they would you know have not
every episode but once in a while they'd pull some witness or you know person up
to the stand and it was the witness that's totally out of left field somebody you didn't expect to hear from
the whole episode you'd never heard of this person and then all of a sudden everything becomes very clear well I
don't know that this made anything more clear for me but what it did do was this
was the witness out of nowhere for me I didn't know who this person was and when
they started making these statements I thought wow this is this is truly truly a mystery here now Crystal Holloway she
was actually a volunteer that that it volunteered during some of these searches for Kaylee and she was called
To The Stand because she well according to her testimony she states that she had an affair with
George Anthony and she states that George Anthony during the course of their relationship had told her that
Kaylee's death was simply an accident that snowballed out of control now under cross-examination she also agreed with
her earlier statement to police which she said George Anthony did not say that he knew it was an accident which is
pretty confusing in itself but the thing we have here okay Judge Perry ends up telling the jurors
that Crystal Holloway's testimony could it could be used to impeach George Anthony's credibility but that it was
not proof of how Kaylee died so we get some additional instruction from from the judge to the jury there which is a
little more than what I think is necessary but when they go back and talk to George you know she claims she had an
affair with him and he denies that yes and he doesn't deny that he went to our house which I thought was kind of odd uh
because he claimed I think he went to her house three times yeah that's quite a bit well you're a married man I don't
know if you should be going over to a lady's house that many times that especially somebody that you just met
that just came into your life it's not like a long time friend or anything yeah Crystal Holloway would claim that they
had a sexual relationship that they had a romantic Affair that went on for some time that they spoke not only you know
not only over the phone but they texted one another from time to time and furthermore that she loaned George quite
a bit of money I think it was like five thousand dollars or something like that which I kind of that to me kind of rings
true of a kind of a true statement because we know how much George had issues financially so but we also have
to take into account you know where this is coming from right this is coming from
a lady that got involved with the searches uh some people want to find the missing
baby right some people just want to be involved right and I think this is one of those people yeah I think
she just wanted to be involved and when the searches are over okay I can you know is it a made-up story that they had
a fair I don't know is it a made-up story that George told her something I don't know right you know I I just I I
you know there's so many people in this case that lie yeah that it's hard to believe
anything anyone's saying well and I and I believe that she gave that she said that he told her that statement that it
was an accident that snowballed out of control before they found the body of Kaylee now the other thing that the that
the defense would present is that she lived in one of those condo communities this Crystal Holloway and they had a
security guard from that from that condo community that had seen George going to
and from her condo on several occasions now like you said George does not deny that he went to visit her he does deny
any type of romantic relationship with her he denies that he ever borrowed any money from her he does state that he
visited her on several occasions he exchanged text messages with her he was stating that she he was under the
impression that she had some form of cancer or or a tumor and that he thought that he was you know she needed somebody
to talk with she needed somebody to spend some time with her and that he thought he was doing a good deed in
spending time with her and helping her through her her troubled time as far as closing statements go they did a lot of
just repeat they basically mirror what both the defense and the prosecution was trying to prove in their opening
statements and throughout the course of the trial one of the big differences here though was because Baez didn't
prove or even try to prove any sexual abuse that they were ordered by the judge that you can't talk about that in
closing in your closing argument correct you can't bring that up correct you think and and to me that's that's pretty
sneaky pretty slimy to make these allegations from the get-go to make all the jury go whoa what's going on here
you can't unhear things sometimes and I think that's kind of what bias was doing
there this is absolutely a whale of a case everything that took place before and then we get to the trial was it the
trial of the century one could argue that you know the trial against the woman the most hated woman in America
well it's a whale of evidence right and so and all that all the lies and all that speculation of what was going on in
those 31 days uh such a mystery like we said the trial's huge now we have to go over the
verdict and then we have to go over the aftermath there's all these odd things that keep popping up some stuff that
just popped up recently and uh the parents have interesting theories now looking back on things and then of
course our thoughts on the troll I'm looking forward to that Captain maybe tomorrow you know what maybe I'll take
the handcuffs off you and and stop holding you back so much regarding this I can't tell you guys how many times
I've had to edit some of my bad words we'll certainly give you a little window uh for that tomorrow well thanks for
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Back in 2008 when 2 year old Caylee Anthony was reported missing the news media flocked to Orlando, Florida. When her little body was found in the woods near the Anthony’s home, we watched. When Casey Anthony screamed at her parents on video footage from jail, we watched. When the state of Florida charged Casey with first degree murder and the trial started, we watched and we couldn’t get enough. Today we go through one of the craziest trials in Florida criminal history. Join us in the garage for a cold one or two. Cheers! Beer of the Week – Devil’s Triangle by Florida Beer Company Garage Grade – 4 out of 5 bottle caps

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Brief Summary

The episode analyzes the Casey Anthony trial, focusing on evidence, jury selection, and emotional testimonies from family members.

Key points

Celebrating Sobriety. Tony celebrates seven years of sobriety with a heartfelt shoutout.
The Trial of the Century. The Casey Anthony trial begins, drawing massive media attention.
Unraveling Family Secrets. The defense reveals dark family secrets in the Casey Anthony case.
Testimony on Decomposition Smell. Witnesses testify about the smell of decomposition in Casey's car, raising suspicions.
George Anthony's Suicide Note. The jury reads George's emotional suicide note, revealing his despair and longing for Kaylee.
Casey's Lies to Friends. Friends testify about Casey's lies regarding her job and Kaylee's nanny during the investigation.

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