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hello Melissa thank you for joining us in the garage this week how are you doing hey it's great to be here thanks
for having me so you and I have had so many off-the-record conversations about the Delphi case and yes it's got
national attention but it's something that is really always on my mind and I know you're always thinking about it too
and both of us have a lot of thoughts and opinions which is just a natural fit because there's not a ton of information
out there I thought it would be interesting if you could join me in the garage and we could talk about some of
our thoughts and opinions regarding the unsolved double homicide case of Abigail
Williams and Liberty German sounds good the way this conversation came about was
you reached out to me and you said hey Nick are you listening to down the hill because I'm listening to it and it's
fascinating and you and I have had plenty of Delphi conversations before this and I said to you yeah I said to
you well that's weird I'm not listening to down the hill I've been listening to scene of the crime but they're talking
Delphi as well and so what that inspired for me and for you is you then went to listen to scene of the crime and I
listen to down the hill so now we're all caught up and here we are going to have
a discussion of reading between the lines of what information has been released and discussing what we think
could be going on here with the investigation itself and with what happened on that fateful day in February
of 2017 so I don't know about you but one of the like main issues I have with this case is there's not much
information out there so when we were given these little tidbits and both of the podcasts I felt like it was just
huge finding yeah and it's really been a lot of trying to read between the lines
and these two podcasts had more information than others have true crime garage has covered Delphi at least six
episodes and countless off the record episodes but it was interesting to get the real
nuts and bolts of the case from these two different podcasts so let's just dive right in here with with some of the
thoughts that we wanted to discuss the first being the investigators they interviewed said that the video and the
audio haunts him because of the reaction of one of the girls and we could take that a million different ways but I did
want to get either what-what opinions do you have of that or what questions does
that raise for you so one of my main thought processes with this was that the investigator you know when he was
talking about it he had said he had watched the video multiple times and it always bothers him the reaction of the
one girl's face as she's watching what's happening to her friend so in my brain I
was thinking okay we know this whole time it's been Libby's cellphone who was or who's been recording or who was
recording at the time and so my thought process was okay if he's saying he's watching the face of one of the girls
while the other gorilla is you know something's quote-unquote happening to her she's watching she's watching what's
happening then I would believe that they are referring to Libby watching what's happening to Abby here because if it was
Libby's cellphone we know it was in lady's possession at the time I feel like that is the most plausible
explanation is that it was Libby who is watching what's happening to Abby yeah so we're gonna have a difference of
opinion here just based off and I can only go off of stuff that I've heard and seen and read and and you can only go
off of what you've seen a read I have a different a different opinion on this because what I've and I'm trying to
think of the investigator that you're talking about but I do recall seeing an investigator interviewed and saying yeah
the video the audio haunts me and I didn't think that it was as specific as because of seeing the one girl's face
I'm not questioning that that you didn't find that somewhere I just I didn't have
the same experience what I was able to find was that three of the family members are saying that they were
allowed to watch the video and that was Becky Mike and Anna watched the video and here's where you got to take it a
step further did they see the entire video or were they only showed a portion of it what law enforcement was willing
to show them and their statements were that there was very little on the video that they saw that was of use to
identifying the the suspect or even really knowing what was going on with the girls at at the time of the video
that what they're seeing what they did say that they saw or heard on the video was typical Girl Talk talking about the
man on the bridge whispering between the two and at some point Libby said something about a path
ending and this is where I take it a bit a step further try to fill in the blanks
and then wonder if the order of this is pretty concise as to what they witnessed
on the video because you can almost see this playing out in your mind where we have typical girl talk maybe the video
actually started before they witnessed the man on the bridge then all of a sudden hey there's somebody on the
bridge he's alone why is he walking this fast towards us and then whispering between the girl between the two as the
perpetrator gets closer and as their fear heightens and then at some point we have this situation of Libby says
something about the path ending and I think Anna's words were something to the effect of well where do we go now the
path is ending this almost sounds to me like by this point he's already got them
the bridge guys already got them somewhat under his control that he's directing them around and that's where I
wonder if in fact there was some video at this point and that's what your investigators talking about saying
one of the girls faces at this point her reaction to what's going on because you
also wonder like if if the path does run out and now not only does he have control of us but he's taking us off the
path doesn't it seem like the situation's getting a little dire getting worse like not only does he is
he threatening us and controlling our movements but he's now taking us into the woods into a place where we really
don't want to go with this guy well now I've also heard rumors about either the video going out or the audio
going out at some point I don't know have you heard those rumors at all I've definitely seen the rumor of the video
going out where there is additional audio that can be heard but the the phone that was capturing the video may
have been concealed at some point and that's really interesting because I feel like I'm a 50/50 split to whether the
perpetrator knew of the phone at all of the existence of the phone at all because one thing we do know is that the
phone was found somewhere near the crime scene we do not they don't tell us exactly where it was found but we do
know that it was in fact found so that leads me to believe one of two things occurred for the bridge guy either he
never detected Libbie cell phone never she was able to conceal it and he never came across it or - he may have tried to
destroy it but was unsuccessful or thought he had successfully destroyed it you know smashed the phone and then left
but there was still there's the technology was still inside the phone and able to show us this video and give
us this audio one thing I do question though is if he did detect the phone if he did find the phone it's interesting
to me the sophistication that goes into the thought of to not take it with him especially if he may have thought that
there was something incriminating on the phone it shows that he has some general understanding of that type of
technology meaning had he taken her phone with him they may have been able to track him in some form using her
phone I know that the Find My Phone app was not working on Libby's phone at the time it does shows some type of
sophistication to me the heat he may have chose not to take the phone with him now I had had a thought that so
from what I have heard as far as the crime scene which I know we'll get into in a little bit that it was not a or not
an organized crime scene in the fact - it makes me think as well that her shoe was found what a couple feet away from
where their bodies would eventually be discovered I had always thought that the phone had fallen at some point and he
didn't even necessarily know it was there or because I had had that thought - why not try to dispose of the phone
why not throw it into the creek that they were near you know why not try to completely get rid of it if it did have
this evidence of him committing these crimes on it you know that kind of goes along with the the theory that I'm now
in belief of that I actually think that at some point they did try to run from him that they tried to flee him and so
the information I found was that Libby one of her shoes was on the bridge on the moanin High Bridge side of the creek
and their bodies were found on the other side of the creek so I'm wondering now if as they're approaching this creek
area or as they're making their way down the hill if they tried to run toward the
creek and cross the creek to get away from him Libby losing her shoe in the process or did the bridge guy then place
it there or throw it there discard of it therefore for whatever reason later but
then that's interesting what you just brought up it could be just as simple as Libby dropped the phone to either
abandon it to to be able to run away faster or drop the on accident or dropped it to conceal it
so he wouldn't know that she filmed him I do think there's more on the video and
audio that police are revealing partially also because we didn't even know it was a video until last year like
they didn't release that until 2019 April literally a year ago yeah so a couple things that I believe and again
this is just my opinion in regards to the video in the audio I do think that there is more that was recorded there
was more that was recorded I think that probably what we have here is whatever else they have in addition to what
they've released is of no benefit to the public to the victims or to the investigation meaning I don't think that
we have much more of the offender of the bridge guy I think there's no reason for
me to believe that we are not seeing the best image that they have a bridge guy what would be the benefit to their
investigation to withhold a better image of him from the public when you've clearly told us time and time again for
three years that you need the public's assistance so that just doesn't ring true to me that there would be
additional better images of the bridge guy I think that there's probably some additional images of the bridge guy but
the one that we're seeing is the best one that they are able to provide to us and then in regards to the audio I think
that there's definitely more audio one thing that Anna did say was you know gave us a brief description of the audio
she could make out again we don't know that that law enforcement showed the family every everything that they had we
just don't know that the family seems to think that they saw everything that law
enforcement we just don't know in regards to the audio the statements I saw from from the family was that there
was much more audio than there was video so that goes back to the idea that the phone was concealed or dropped at some
point and from from her from filming more video but then on top of you have additional audio I think that
what you probably have is a lot of talk between the two victims which doesn't help the public identify the bridge guy
so there's no need to release any of that and then on top of that if you do have additional audio from the bridge
guy it may be to a point where he is initiating certain threats that may be even detailed threats and we know that
they've withheld a bunch of information the cause of death they've withheld if if they were
sexually assaulted how he gained control of them there could be details inside those threats that would be would be bad
for the investigation because they're withholding that other information right and just to bounce off of that so the
audio that the police did eventually release where it says guys down the hill I've actually seen quite a few people
like try to analyze that audio and I think I actually sent you a copy of it as well that someone tried to clear it
up so it's very apparent while looking at this from a sound point of view like looking at it underneath audio editing
equipment you can see a definite cut in the two sections my guess is there's more of the offender in the audio and I
agree as well that it's probably something not that should not be shared with the public at least right now as
far as what happened with the crime whether or not he described what he did to the girls or went into great detail
or you know something but I do think I just my guts telling me there's more on the audio and video than what they're
they're sharing ultimately so some information real quick that I have here in my notes Ari I'm going through my
notes as we go through this Libby's cell phone was they did a factory reset ten days before the murder
this was because the phone was all buggered up with a whole bunch of unnecessary data and probably games and
things like that that's why they were not able to use the Find My Phone app because a lot of the
apps that were on her phone had not been loaded back on to the phone after this factory reset because that's what her
grandmother Becky would have used to track her now right so then take that a step further what we have here is the
phone was recovered at the scene we don't know where exactly but it's stated as found close to the scene
law enforcement has confirmed that they have more audio and video and all of the
audio they have is from the video that Libby filmed meaning there there's there's not a separate recording that's
audio only and their statement here from my notes Libby filmed using the standard
video recording camera feature on her iPhone now I have a question that picture of a be on the bridge that was
taken that day right yes yeah so that definitely snapchat so correct yeah I mean well and if that's the case then
that it was record I mean and obviously you know anyone who has a phone we know we can just press the button and it
records the whole time that's interesting so it was table lesson B who stated publicly that the crime is not on the
recording and I believe that was his exact words the crime is not on the recording again I have to believe that
means the double homicide itself with the snapchat thing first of all you're talking to the wrong guy I've never used
I don't know I don't even I barely even know what it is to be honest with you what I have here is interesting because
the we do know what time that that snapchat went out so the timing of that is 207 p.m. that the snapchat goes out
the interesting thing there is there's no bridge guy behind a bee at that time we know based off of
sunlight and shadows and other information that the bridge guy is approaching them between 220 and 230
p.m. so shortly after that snapchat minutes after that snapchat we now have bridge guy in pursuit of the two girls
and what's fascinating and terrifying to me too is I believe that either if they are
already recording the video or if they were inspired to then record the video there's somebody else on the bridge
which seems haunting on its own he's by himself again haunting why is he walking
so fast why is he approaching us so fast and the terrifying thing for these two girls
again ages 14 and 13 years old they can clearly see a grown man approaching them
very quickly on this rickety old bridge you're now left with two options you're either going to be if you let him keep
approaching you you're either going to be in close quarters with this individual that you're already kind of
put off of or your other option is to have to cross him on that bridge just that alone you're kind of you're really
boxed into a corner if you're Lybian a be here and that that thought there just terrifies me and I think that that that
thought alone explains the inspiration for for the for filming him be if you were already filming something else or
if you were inspired to do so because of the sight of him now what we also can piece together is that very likely Libby
who's recording is already off of the bridge she's on that what I refer to as the dead end side of the bridge
she's already off of the bridge and you can see that she at one point is filming
a B who's making her way toward the dead inside and then at some point they become aware of the bridge guy and then
what happens after that we don't know we can piece together to the some point he's able to take control of
the girls in attempt I believe he was successful moving them directing them where he wanted them to go for for a
portion of time that he was successful with that I think at some point it it may have got away from him
so something I'm thinking I don't remember off the top of my head which podcast it was that mentioned this but
they had made a comment that it was common for a bee to take pictures of random people out in the public
you know secretively of course and like send it to people and like oh that's your boyfriend
joking right which is a total teenage girl thing to do speaking as once being a teenage girl so
it almost makes me wonder if that's what the ultimate like cause of the videoing
was and we know that the video is that snapchat thing is from that day one because it was posted that day but on
top of that Abby that was her first time crossing the bridge to my knowledge from
everything I've heard that that was the first time she crossed the bridge so it's almost like we have we have her her
best friend memorializing that event with that snapchat post and then we have okay a whole different reason a whole
different action now we got bridge guy we got video of bridge guy which we know was recorded using the standard video
recording camera feature on her iPhone the other interesting thing too we talked about the timing of everything
that the bridge guy was on the bridge between 220 and 230 roughly the spot where he is recorded is stated by and I
can't recall him going off a memory here if he's the former prosecutor or current
prosecutor I'm guessing he's the former robber Ives he says the image of the bridge guy that
we have seen publicly was recorded at a great distance and based off of the markings on the bridge we're able to
determine that the suspect at that point is approximately 60 feet from the end of the bridge and that bridge from
what I've seen the locals say takes about six minutes to cross this goes back to a theory that that I threw out
there when we covered it on true-crime garage and I'm still of this theory that he was approaching them and he was
approaching them rather quickly that he was moving across that bridge at a faster than normal rate and that might
have been something that tipped them off why would he go that fast that it almost
feels like to me that the two knew or were suspicious of his movements believing at some point he's either
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better help calm slash garage [Music] mentioning robber Ives he is the one that said that several things about the
crime scene were odd and I found this interesting and I do know a little bit of the production between the two
podcast scene of the crime was was the production was completed on that before down the hill was completed they both
came out roughly about the same time but what I found interesting was the contrast between the two within that of
Robert Ives the statements where on seeing the crime he says there were several things about the crime scene
that were odd and it's almost like he it's almost like loose lips sink ships once the toothpaste is out of the tube
you can't put it back in but he tries to walk it back a little bit like you know
there there there are always odd things about a murder scene it felt a little telling like no maybe that maybe this
crime scene has things about it that are more strange than the typical crime scene and then later on down the hill
he's now referring to these rather than odd things as signatures and it's almost
like he was schooled to start using the word signature or if it maybe it was a theatrics thing I don't know but I
cannot shake either of those statements I cannot get them out of my head I cannot quit circling round and round
about what they could mean and you and I touched upon that a little bit in our conversations I don't know take me into
your thoughts when you hear somebody that close to the case say a statement like that I can totally agree with that
the odd crime scene comment has stuck with me this entire time since it was said because you know obviously your
mind starts racing like okay what in the heck could that mean and you know nope no crime scene
is a good crime scene you know like it's to say that it's odd really makes me think that
so in also to the first responders they had made a comment to in the podcast I think it was down the hill that they all
had to decompress that evening so when I hear it was an odd crime scene they had
to decompress that evening which of course you know the murder of two children that is not an easy thing to
deal with as a first responder or investigator that is not a good thing that never sits well but for to make a
point to say that almost all of the people involved all of the first responders involved had to decompress
that evening because that was the lake like severe Ness of the crimes the trouble exactly exactly
which I mean you know we hear that first responders need to decompress when they
see some really messed up things which rightfully so then the mentioning of the signatures so the second I heard that I
was like okay that's really interesting to hear that there are signatures involved in the case and to know about
all the different rumors that are circulating around it immediately made me think that there might be some value
to some of those rumors you know I mean there were people there at the crime scene the person who found them was a
family member of Libby's I believe for them to say their signatures I know you and I have kind of discussed this what
the difference between a signature and an mo is right so it's it's just like hmm I mean should we go into the rumors
or well yeah I think we should because part of this that I'm hoping to achieve with our discussion here today is some
of the old rumors that were circling around they've made their way back again and I think it's because of the two
podcast which is strange to me because they were so complete and concise about the information that they were putting
but again it's always gonna go back to the law enforcement has not released much information so then that that only
inspires the rumor mill but I think that some of the some of the rumors are one they're just negative toward the victims
negative toward the families and they hold no truth at all so not only am i hoping that our discussion has some some
interesting opinions and some interesting takes and theories on what might have actually happened but also to
to squash some of those rumors that are showing their ugly face again so I think
the other interesting thing here to keep in mind and correct me if I'm wrong Melissa but Robert Ives was pressed
they're like what do you mean by signatures can you tell us what they were and he's of course he's like no I
cannot tell you what they were I believe he was pressed to say well how many signatures or how many odd things are
off things would you say that you saw at this crime scene and I believe his exact
words were two or three I feel like three feels like more familiar to me to the point where I
wonder if he did say three but two or three is what I've been kind of working off of based off of his statements if
I'm remembering and I think too he says at least two or three it Lynette it stuck with me I mean I feel like that
leaves room now for like tons of speculation because it's like what else was at that crime scene
so I know some of the like most popular theories are and what we I can also mention that Facebook message that I had
found so there's a screenshot that's been circulating around by the person who actually found the girls who saw the
shoe first looked up ended up finding them so there's a facebook messenger messenger picture going around stating
that Libby was nearly decapitated and that it was obviously personal towards her what
an interesting you know thing to say especially if they did not know the person well and again this is not a the
person that's giving that opinion that they believe it to be personal is not an action so can we agree on that
yeah and should we take it a step further in question the the validity of that screenshot
oh I yes well not only that but I think because that screenshot has circulated around this person is now a favorite
suspect of many online sleuth errs which is kind of interesting but um just a roll off of that though I've heard many
rumors and I'm not sure if you've heard the same rumors that Libby had to wear a
scarf at the funeral yeah that's a been a pretty common one to go around and actually I've seen it said that both
were wearing scarfs as well that their funerals I I mean I don't know if that's true obviously I was was not there and I
don't know if that's true but I will tell you this I am of the belief and I'm basing this off of things that I've seen
and heard and a lot of it mind you is second and third hand but I'm hearing this from and seeing this from some
trusting from some trusting persons and sources and this is not insider information this is my opinion I believe
that the that it was a bladed weapon that was used in the in the attack of of the girls I think that it was a gun that
was used to control them and to move them but because of how loud a gun is when it came time to you know that it
was a bladed weapon that was used for that portion of the of the crime now that's interesting I don't know that I
want to take any further than that as far as what the injuries could be and then you take it a step further and you
say well and you bring up a really good thought it's it's this lay person's opinion that it was personal based upon
the injuries a saw or may have seen that it was personal against you said Libby yes yeah
here's where I take that a step further and and you said well that's interesting
especially if they didn't know them it's almost implying that the the victim and
the offender knew one another but we've seen plenty of crimes we've seen plenty of murders where it appears to be
personal in nature but they didn't know each other and that can happen for a multitude of reasons one did Libby
present certain problems to the offender and really pissed the guy off or did he
or did she really fight him fight back in a good strong way and it became personal for him the other thing too
that people often point out is overkill well the the offender must have known the victim because of the overkill that
we see at the scene or on the victim or the overkill that's presumed to be at the scene since we don't know exactly
all right yeah you know looking at other cases not this case but there were plenty of Ted Bundy's victims that had
the appearance of overkill because that's how he preferred to kill the victim that's how he naturally attacked
these victims and he didn't know any of them where there's overkill does not necessarily have to mean that the
offender knows the victim or has a specific hate for that victim that they want to destroy because that's what you
see with overkill you often say to kill somebody is to take them away to to end their lives but the overkill is the
emotion is that they want to destroy that person you don't necessarily have to know them to have that hate the
victim could be a surrogate which it could represent something eyes it's it's seen a lot it could and it's with some
of these killers serial killers in particular some of them it's just a general hatred for women in general and
and that all that means is that for overkill to be present is that the victim is a woman I don't
know I've not heard rumors of of overkill here with Delphi but I have heard and seen the rumors of it possibly
being personal with in regards to Libby I think that that means something that doesn't necessarily mean that they were
that they the perpetrator knew either one of the victims I think this was a stranger abduction and attack and I
think that's part of the reason why the investigation has been so difficult and I think that it became it may have
become personal for the killer so this is something I've gone back and forth on a wat let me ask your opinion do you
think that the girls were killed at the scene we have a vague statement from law
enforcement that would lead us or lead me to believe that their statement is they were killed where they were found
and people have taken that you can take that a million different ways were they taken off someplace else and then
returned to the general area and killed there I don't think any of that went down I think that this the general
statement of they were killed where they were found and they would have evidence
to prove that to them to law enforcement it wouldn't be very hard for them to figure that out but I think that you
have to take an account a few different things all of these crimes and anytime you have a murder especially with a
double homicide you have you have multiple crimes that happen during the commission from the start to finish of
this and we know that they were abducted at some point because they were moved they were under his control and moved
somewhere that they would not want to be so that is the definition of being abducted and then they are killed what
we have here to me is there's not a lot of time that goes by from the time that he Bridge guy first comes on the scene
to the girls to the time when there probably when it's probably all over with and he's in the process of fleeing
the area we have law-enforcement statements that say and again there's they're speculating as well because
until we catch the guy we just don't know but they're saying that on their press releases with the
description of the bridge guy in images of the bridge guy they state that it's believed he left the area by 5:00 p.m.
but could have still been there in the general area when the family started searching for the girls the other
difficult thing here which is weird about the phone with going back to Libby's phone is we have Derek who was
there to pick them up he calls Libby's phone at 3:11 that afternoon because he can't find the
girls now a couple tricky things here she doesn't pick up the phone you could take
that one of two ways whatever happened already happened or by 311 or she's under the control of bridge
guy or has dropped the phone by that time there's also some interesting speculation that we know to be true is
with the with the camera feature that she was using to record the video if you have an incoming call on that iPhone
that she had it would it would stop the recording is that what stopped the recording eventually the phone goes dead
eventually that you know it's going to to voicemail at some point then you take it a step further if they were afraid
enough to record video why not just call 9-1-1 right you know like right you got
to think that may have been an option I'm sure that there's somewhat places that your phone just won't work but why
was that option not used room and here's a little safety tip for anybody out there if you're approached by somebody
that that they know they're aware that you saw them already and they're trying to abduct you at the very least lie to
them and tell them you've already called 911 even if you feel like you can't in that very moment tell them that you've
already called yeah can't hurt by that no no I mean shoot yeah and it's just making me think like at what point were
they under his control at what point did they feel unsafe what was it during the
video was it after the video did it and I think that's a real interesting point to that if I had to
guess that's most likely how the video stopped was probably believe the call coming in from her father and that's
just my opinion obviously but ya know it just makes me wonder at what point they knew they were
in trouble and why they didn't feel comfortable I mean unless he had had a weapon on them at that point yeah what
is really I think I mean then you got to think - it's very difficult to handle two victims at one time even if you're a
man like in two small smaller teenage girls and I want to say - they don't think that the murderer is a very tall
large person they think he's on the shorter side now what did they say they were like five nine to five eleven but I
could be wrong don't quote me on that I'm gonna pull it up I have the FBI seeking information
flyer here somewhere five six - five ten I mean that's a short guy and they put him at a hundred
and eighty to two hundred pounds which is interesting because that's from the the newest information because the old
information had him about twenty pounds heavier but the same height hmm yeah I mean how how could somebody of that
stature and I want to say Libby was taller for her age I believe she would probably would have been close to that
height and I know Abby was a little bit smaller but to be able to control two victims at one time that is not an easy
thing to do by any means that's what you need the gun exactly or some weapon right and this is going back to the
statement - Doug Carter stated Kelsey said as well they both are of the belief that the the
bridge guy that wasn't his first time crossing that bridge they both they're saying anyone that has
walked that bridge before would understand that and I've never walked the bridge so I don't know but I'm going
to believe them with that statement which is interesting meaning he's either from the area or currently lives in the
general area or at least has been to that location a time or two before where I take it a
step further is if you a map of the general area is so key for anybody that's trying to look into this case and
do a little bit of their own websley thing a little bit of their own armchair detective work here because if you look
at the way that that whole situation is laid out if he's familiar with the area if he this is where you got to put
yourself in the mind of the killer of the perpetrator he chose that area he ninjas end up there by accident that
day he chose that area and if we're if we're to believe that he used a gun to control them if we if he brought weapons
with him to the scene there's every indication that he went there and he's using this as some type of hunting
ground now he is using that bridge as a strategy he knows that once somebody gets more than halfway across that
bridge that either he can go to the other side of the bridge and pin them down or they at the very least have to
pass him on that bridge as they're coming back trying to get to to the opposite side I think he was
looking for a certain type of victim and I think he was looking for them to put themself in a state of vulnerability and
the bridge is what caused them to be vulnerable if he's up on a bridge with them right a bridge is not stable like
and if you look at pictures of this bridge it is an old bridge um yeah so I mean you got to think I mean if all it
would take is one of them to push him off and is like even if you have a weapon on them it's still a very risky
area to try to take control of to teenage girls in part I think not only is he chasing after them but I think
that's why I believe him to be moving so quickly across the bridge and there's a
lot of other people that share that opinion is that he wants to catch them at that state of being vulnerable and
at that area for him is getting them on the dead-end side of the bridge and I think that I think that as fast as they
saw him moving is what inspired the the fear that that sent up the red flags about there's something not right with
this guy let's go back to our takes on the the crime scene itself and there being at least two or three signatures
or at least two or three things that were off or odd about the scene according to Robert Ives take that for
what it is but but look at the surface of what we do know and see if any of the things that we already know could apply
to that statement one thing that we do know is multiple victims at one time is a rare it's a rare thing so is Robert
Ives lumping in the fact that we know that there are two victims as being a signature or something that was off or
odd and now are we down to just two things that we have to try to decipher what was was offer odd and you know I've
heard theories that a lot of people believe this was the first time this suspect or perpetrator had killed
somebody I I'm not sure how people have drawn that conclusion being we know so little about the crime itself if it were
his first time offending to initially take on two victims at once and like you with how you had said it's it's rare and
it's not a common thing and it makes me think that somebody who is just you know
starting to kill would not necessarily go straightaway for two teenagers yeah it seems like a more difficult situation
any time you increase your level of risk you're increasing increasing your level
of risk of getting caught and these guys that fantasize about violence and fantasize about abduction or killing
they want to be successful and what it is that they set out to do so they do not want to increase the risk of getting
caught number one but they also don't want to increase the risk of not being successful in living out their fantasy
their violent fantasy the thing that gets difficult there is you have to because we don't know who Bridge guy is
we do not know what his fantasy was what his intention was what his plan was is there a chance that he was unaware until
it was too late that he was approaching two people instead of just one I think that's on the slimmer side of
possibilities I think it's very likely that he knew he was approaching two because I keep going back to that he's
looking for not only a certain type of victim but a victim that puts them selves in a in a certain spot in that
that state of being vulnerable I don't think that two victims was a signature but I think there's a purpose for it I
think there's a reason behind it why he chose two rather than one eye or maybe the numbers not so much important but
the people that he saw the targets that he saw I think there's reasoning behind that like maybe he set his eyes on one
of the girls and the other one was collateral damage that's always a thought process that's a strong
possibility yeah the other strong possibility is were these the first two targets that he saw that didn't contain
a male or was this the smallest group of people that he saw I have some belief and I don't know for certain but there
are some statements and some witness reports eyewitness reports who people that were in the area around this time
of day where it seems to me like he may have had the opportunity to go after a single female of a woman or a or younger
lady by themselves now we don't know that we can't say for certain that he actually saw that target and decided to
pass on it but there seems to be enough evidence out there to me that that is a possibility that he that he didn't you
that target for some reason so then that makes me go back to well maybe it's it's
either this type of victim the number of targets that was important enough for him to move in and act because one thing
we do know is we don't have anybody coming forward saying oh I was attacked or approached by some weird guy on this
day around this time that didn't happen so it almost appears like whoever he first set out to go after he he did he
actually went after them there's also zero this is the one rumor that I would love to squash right here
there is zero evidence or zero reason to believe we cannot say for certain but there's zero evidence to suggest that he
went there targeting one or both of these girls specifically that he knew that they would be there I went there
for the purpose of going after one or both of them so we can state that for several reasons one it was kind of a
last-minute trip that they went out there and - this isn't like a super secluded place this is a place that a
lot of people went to to go hiking especially younger teenagers to hang out or hike the trails which makes me wonder
if he if he knew the bridge and he knew that area well enough he would have known the type of people that would have
ventured to go there especially during the middle of the day of a work week and that also tells me maybe he was looking
for that type of victim your show is called victimology so I don't have to explain to you there there is these
perpetrators have a have a victim type often and BIA if they're a serial offender or not a one-off if you're
going to try to profile the offender it's as important to profile the victim and as important to profile the area and
just to bounce off of that so one really huge issue with the information we know
about this case is and I think this is the reason why people are so upset that it has not been solved and that we don't
more is because we don't know what the motivation was behind the crime they have never said if it was sexually
motivated if it was a rage killing if it was a mission kill they have never ever
clarified on their thought process on that so we don't know if the ultimate goal was to have some sort of sexual
fantasy fulfilled by the girl's death deaths so and I know there's a lot of theories out there that a lot of weird
post mortem activity had happened and I really don't hold a lot of I don't think
they hold much water let's put it that way well again that goes back to if that that means he has to stay there longer
longer every every weird post mortem activity that that he's supposed to have done means he's there longer at the
scene and again increasing his risk level of getting caught or being seen with the victims after the fact and I I
do think that there was some stuff done and I think that that is really where I want to mesh two statements together
where we have Robert Ives who says there were two or three signatures at least two or three signatures we also have
Doug Carter the spokes person for and I know that's not his proper title but he's done he's the upfront one he is the
the face and the voice of the press conferences coming out of the Indiana State Police his statement when he was
addressing the killer you know and he got real personal with his statements and I loved that I loved the
aggressiveness of his statements and addressing the killer directly in some of those press conferences but one of
his statements was he says something like I can promise you they are not the way that you left them that day yeah and
that to me does tell me that there was there was some post-mortem activity that was that were actions by the killer
and I almost feel like that is an attempt to slap the killer in the face because we see this with a lot of these
guys they have fantasies leading up to the to the commission of these types of crimes and then they have fantasies
after the fact and some of them want to relive what took place when they committed some of these crimes to me
that's almost like we know you did some things to these to the victims or to the
area it's not that way today so get it out of your head quit fantasizing about it what what you think that you created
no longer exist to me that points out one of the most common signatures that you will find out there is the posing of
a victim so I feel like to me meshing Carter statement with Robert eyes a statement I feel like posing one or both
of the victims is probably I would put that at a high probability I would also think that there's probably some type of
covering of the victims be it with sticks leaves debris or all of the above because one thing we do know is we have
statements from the searchers that say you know we were in that very general area the night before and we didn't find
them we found them the next day during daylight and then that has spread the bad rumor that the bodies were moved or
the victims were were taken away from the scene and then brought back at some point I think people are over analyzing
that I think it's just as simple is it was dark out right and they didn't and there may have been some camouflage
involved be it leaves sticks debris covering of the bodies that prevented them from finding them that night under
the cover of darkness the other thing we have to factor in there too melissa is keep in mind at night you believe you're
looking for two girls who are alive and well that's a much different thing I still think they the searchers believe
that they were looking for two girls that were alive and well the next day but now that the fear level has
increased for the searchers because the time that has expired but that night you're not you're looking
in a different way you're out in the dark you're calling the girls names hoping to hear them respond to your
voice and when you don't get that you kind of quickly move on in that situation you're hoping to cover as much
ground as possible we just reviewed a case on true crime garage it was the Evansdale murders where the two victims
were found in a remote location and it was such a remote dense area that the the officer said had these hunters just
been five feet or so in a different direction they would have never have seen the bodies so I I don't think that
them not finding them that night means anything other than they didn't find it right they were probably there the whole
time but then it also takes you a step further to go okay well what was the signature were they posed were they
covered where they boat was it both one of the other theories I had heard and I really don't think there's much to it is
that the girls were wearing each others clothes the reason I don't think that's the case because the person who actually
found the bodies I believe the way it happened is he saw the shoe on the ground looked at the shoe began to look
up and ended up seeing Libby in her tie-dye shirt I don't think that they were necessarily dressed in each other's
clothing I thought that was kind of and if he want the posing though I totally could see some some form of that and
also too I had also heard a rumor that either both of them were nude or one but the wearing each other's clothing I
really don't think that's the case the rumor I heard was that one of them was completely clothed or found in all the
clothing that they were last wearing and that one of them might have been somewhat undressed but not completely
nude and again that's just the rumor I heard I think this whole thing with them being in each
other's clothing is probably a rumor that just started at the very local level and grew legs for some reason it
doesn't seem like a likely scenario because you're going to have to if you're the perpetrator you're gonna have
to have them carry out that act for you or you're going to have to strip them and redress them it's C again it's like
a whole lot of extra unnecessary things going on and usually there is a very usually there's a very simple
explanation to what happened and why the issue being for us on the outside trying
to look in one we don't have much information of work off of but - we also don't know as you pointed out the mo or
the intentions of the perpetrator it's hard to profile him and profile his actions and what he did or may have done
that day because we don't know what what the intent was I keep seeing a scene where
his intentions were to do something different and it went sideways at some point and then he he attacked and killed
the girls either out of necessity or out of anger and as I know it seems like a very simple explanation but I to me that
there seems to be some information out there that might point to that that the the shoe on the other side of the water
and then if you're we know he's directing them we we know that 100% because we have the one line of down the
hill he's telling them go down the hill he's not saying look there's a deer where is it down that that hill no he's
directing them to go where he wants them to go he's moving these people along and
why is he moving them where is he taking them what is his intention with that and
then - I take it a step further why if they were killed where they were found I I have to question that he didn't direct
them to that area why would he take them why would he choose to take them across
the water when he didn't have to yeah and you know he could have taken him on dry land elsewhere
yeah the water seems like an added and an added risk level one two and just kind of a dumb move if he were smart
enough and look I'm giving him a lot of credit when I say some of these things and I and I know that I'm just
speculating on a lot but if he was smart enough to choose a victim because they put themselves on the dead-end side of
the bridge that's a tactical move why would he then do something as stupid as to lead them
across the water when there's so much other dry land right in the immediate area that you could have just directed
them that's where I almost wonder did they did they decide to make a run for it at some point or did he lose control
of the situation they fly yeah that's that is one of the things that I often question so the thing that always comes
to my mind is the shoe that was left right did that fall off while she was fleeing and running or did that come off
because the perp was dragging her or she's or she's trying to run full-speed across across the water I mean we've all
done that and your shoes immediately becomes soaked and super heavy and you can you can easily slip out of one of
the shoes in regards to the clothing thing we do have statements from law enforcement that there was some clothing
that was found under or near the bridge so this would be kind of downstream from
where the bodies were found the issue being is we don't have confirmation that it belonged to the victims or that it
has anything to do with the crime at all and then you have to wonder if it did belong to the victims did the killer
place them there for whatever reason or like mislead them yeah my question is depending on the type of crime committed
I mean if a knife were involved right there would be blood this person would most likely have blood all over
themselves and would draw attention to themselves trying to leave the area yeah so I mean unless
those clothes underneath belong to the killer like he had stashed something somewhere or you know he knew he was
going to commit a crime that day and tried to plan to the best of his ability or he left some of his items behind that
were covered in blood that's interesting too because one of the statements is that there was so much evidence left at
the scene so you have to wonder do they believe or do they know that he left some of his belongings there and he does
appear to be overdressed when he's on the bridge and one thing that I've come across many times with people that do
like that they try to sneak into a home and steal things or break into a home and steal things that they will often if
they're if there are people that are experienced at doing this they will often wear multiple shirts and maybe
even multiple head coverings or at least one because they know that if they if anybody sees them if they're if somebody
would spots them either in the house or fleeing the scene oh we got a we got a male black shirt jeans well if he sheds
if in them in the process of fleeing the area if he sheds his black shirt now he's wearing instead of a black
sweatshirt he's wearing a white t-shirt you you might you might overlook him when you see him again and so you have
to wonder is he wearing extra clothing for to protect his person or because he plans on leaving some of it at the scene
if it does in fact get bloody so when you said so much evidence at the scene it made me think so a lot of times with
criminals you know they're obviously categorized as organized or disorganized when they leave evidence at a scene that
is indicative of a disorganized criminal but if he were to have planned to leave
evidence at the scene it completely switches the mo on its head to where the perp is now an organized criminal which
is really kind of interesting and you know it's like if we knew more could probably figure it out but
unfortunately or at least share what the police know with the way that I think this attack went down I think we're
dealing with and you can't have a mixed a mixed offender as well this shows signs of both organized and disorganized
but I feel to me like with the planning that I believe was in play here I believe we're dealing with an
organized individual now did things get go sideways on him and his plan got thrown out the window completely and it
just got out of control that's a possibility I also wonder though - with the word the vague word of evidence that
doesn't have to necessarily mean that it's evidence against the perpetrator it may just be evidence that there are
things at the crime scene that tell them more exactly what happened and how things went down and it doesn't really
point to who committed it it's just they can connect the dots and know kind of the general timeline and what took place
when but then on top of that you also have to wonder this being out in the open in a public place does some of that
evidence quote/unquote evidence some of the stuff that you're collecting at the scene is it just just debris just things
that have been left by other people at other times and it has nothing to do with the case and all you and I talked a
lot about yeah they found her off the side of the road they collected every piece of debris that they could find up
and down that stretch of road and we have to believe very little that little of it actually had to do with the crime
at all when they say evidence you also wonder does does that just mean we found all this stuff and we have to we have to
go through it piece by piece and try to determine if it if it means anything or not and you know that area too that they
were found it's technically the property of somebody who lives farther towards like it's like the back end of
somebody's property is where they were found right wrong Lowe's yes thank you which
is interesting in itself because they are approached we know they are approached on on these scenic trails on
these you know public land let's say and then later found on this private land but yeah it they they but up to one
another I found that interesting too and that's a question that comes up often to people
go well why didn't they scream and I I mean I look at the location of where they were found eventually and where
they were abducted and I go well they may have and they just nobody heard them or the screams were so far off in the
distance that the people that heard them didn't know they were hearing screams right if you want to go like soup super
down into it down into the the weeds with me real quick on what what I think happened here I think the problem with
this case is that whatever he planned on doing it didn't it didn't work out it's
that's not what took place I think he was able to take control and have control for a certain amount of time and
going back to the theory of why take them across the water when there was so much other dry land that you could
Traverse with with your victims as you are directing them where to go part of the whole thing about blood on his
person did he plan for that I think he did plan for that but I think his plan for that was that he was going to be
leaving the area in a location where he didn't think he was going to be seen so that might have just been good enough
for him to not have to to put other things into play there too to avoid that being spotted covered in blood one thing
that's weird is we have statements from local law enforcement that said that they did a cell they subpoenaed cell
phone records within a 5-mile radius of that day within the time of question so anyone whose cell phone pinged in that
location was contacted in questioned by police that's their words contacted in questioned by police I have to believe
that that involves a face-to-face conversation where you can see this guy especially where you think that you can
see him or make out his features from from the video that we have of him on the bridge
so that brings a whole nother thing into play here where and they stated that they look particularly hard to anyone
who was new in the area or who was in the area of the bridge for several hours on that day so they did what I call like
a data dump and I've heard of this type of investigation tactic and other investigations I also know that it is
rather difficult to to pull this off this you know what they call data dump but it seems like they did either
successfully or attempted to so if if they were successful with it you have to take it a step further and go well does
that mean he was he was organized enough and sophisticated enough to not bring his cell phone with him during his time
at the moanin high bridge that day yeah I think I'm leaning more towards that he
did not have a cell phone on him yes that's definitely seems right either he's a dinosaur and just as an own one
or he made a he made an a conscious effort to not bring it with him they've also said that they don't know for
certain if he took a vehicle you know if he drove a vehicle there and left one there and fled in a vehicle or if he
walked to this area I find it interesting I personally think that he drove to the area but then that creates
a whole different set of problems for the perpetrator of going undetected but if he did drive to the area with this
data dump investigation it makes me believe he didn't even leave his his phone in his vehicle that it was just
not a part of the plan at all was purposely left out and that's where you know I go back into the weeds and I say
I think he was trying to direct them to a vehicle oh I I don't think that percent I agree yeah I don't think that
he was I don't think that it went down the way that he wanted it to go down and that
is a big kudos and thank you to the to Abby and Libby they were you know we we have people on record saying that Libby
was a hero because she filmed the bridge guy we also have Mike Pattie on record saying that you know Abby was a hero as
well because the two neither one of them left each other they they wouldn't have
left each other they were best friends till the end and then I take it a step further and say they're both heroes
because they fought back they whatever this guy wanted to happen it didn't go down the way that he wanted it to that
has led to evidence against him that we will be able to use against him someday so let's talk about the connection
between serial killers and signatures so we know that law enforcement use terms like MO and signatures to determine how
someone commits a crime and why they commit a crime or what their you know thought processes so the signature for
law enforcement to state that there are signatures available it most likely points to the fact that they believe
this person has offended before or will offend again there's if it were a one-time crime there would be no need to
even mention the signatures that were there right because the signature is mostly wrapped up in the fantasy of
committing this crime so they've thought about they fantasize about committing this type of crime before and likely
still fantasize about committing this type of crime again and the signature is required by the fantasy and not
necessarily required by the commission of the crime itself right and if it did not go his way it's very possible that
the two girls were killed out of rage because they did not follow his commands and he ended up still performing some
type of signature that could eventually be connected to his other crimes or future crimes
so I think that's very telling by them stating there are signatures that they've noticed in the crime and I - I
had written down as well they used the term red flags as well so I I just really in my gut and I've I've actually
consulted a couple different professionals in the field and I asked them why would law enforcement state
that there are signatures in a crime if they think it's a one-time offender and the answer is they don't they do not
think it's a one-time offender so in you know take take everything with a grain of salt but I think there by saying just
this little statement they're saying a whole lot with it there are some suspects that are known to the public
and even there the wikipedia page has four or five listed there do you like any of their those suspects we don't
need to go through each one but are there any of those suspects that you like and if so why and if if you don't
like any of them what are your thoughts or suspicions on who this guy could be just looking at the crime itself I've
always thought it's some type of a truck driver some type of a delivery driver or
something like that to where there could have been a vehicle stashed somewhere and it would have not it would not have
raised red flags in the area and you know if that were the ultimate goal to get the girls there that would make
sense because that's his domain that's his area that's his property so that being said fairly recently I want to say
close to the beginning of the year there was actually I'm on I'm in a couple of the I'm on a couple of the Facebook
groups about the Delphi case just to watch to see what people are saying most things I don't take completely seriously
just because again - it's all speculation you know all of this is speculation but as of late there was actually a man
who came on to the group claiming he believes that his brother committed the crime I believe this person is already
in prison so currently he's overweight about the same height somewhere in the same range as what they had originally
said at the time he would have been much thinner and another thing too we forgot
to mention is about the gate of the person on the bridge so I I've seen a lot of arguments as far as whether or
not this person is walking very particularly because it's unstable or is it because they have some sort of a limp
this specific person is from the area was a truck driver and has a limp he had had knee surgery or something like that
so at the time he would have been about the same size as the suspects dimensions
so very light weight on the shorter side so I had actually ended up messaging the
brother of this person just to find out whether or not he is he's communicated with law enforcement and he did message
me back in state that he has communicated with them in the Delphi Police are aware as well as the FBI so
as of right this moment that is what my gut is telling me that he looks really good for it why isn't this why isn't
this thing solved yet why do you thing that you think you can hone in on and point out that you think that hey this
is what they need or this is why they can't find this guy well I think one of the main reasons is time has become the
enemy in the case if and you know we can always say if right if this happened then we would have him if this happened
I really believe though and I think we talked about this in the ami Mohammed case as well why sit on evidence for
that long that could potentially identify somebody and we know with Amy's case they did not know it was even
connected right with this case though they knew that was a video and they did not release any of it they
they sent out a still frame of a person and then they sent out a sketch that was
later changed and I mean I think unfortunately I don't know if it was a strategy of law enforcement to not let
the individual know how much they had at first but I mean like my god that the man is captured on tape his voice is
captured on tape there's a video of him available like what what else is it going to take to be able to find this
person I mean I really do think that whoever did commit this somebody knows it was that whether it's a family member
close friend they know but they just have not spoken up and the I mean be with that amount of evidence it would be
very difficult to not identify but at the same time I do think if this information would have been released
previously I have a feeling it would have been solved by now one thing that has taken over my mindscape
in the past few days more so than the statement of there were at least two or three signatures or at least X amount of
things that were odd about the crime scene is I've heard several of the investigators that are at the very
center of this investigation say the same thing and this is in regards to them talking about the crime scene and
potential evidence as well stating that we all thought this would be solved very
quickly we all thought it would just be a day maybe a couple of days it makes me
wonder what happened this that prevented that from being the case these are seasoned investigators these are this is
not their first rodeo and they're all sharing that same opinion from different agencies what changed in the
investigation that prevented that from happening or you wonder do they did they think that they had something that they
did not did they think that they had something of evidentiary value that turned out to not be of any value at all
like they focused too much on one or two things that they should have been looking at the bigger grand scheme no
not that they mishandled it or went about it the wrong way just they they thought they had something that that it
didn't turn out to be what it appeared to be on the surface at the crime scene or in relation to the case yeah
[Music] but to have different individuals from different agencies all say that same
statement and then later we have Doug Carter saying well we think we were onto something early on in our investigation
and that he has that statement right around the time where they're changing directions they're taking the
investigation in a new direction you know when we get the new sketch I think the reason why this thing might not be
solved I think bridge guy has a helper hmm and I don't that doesn't necessarily there's
I think there's something helping him and it's working against the investigation I think there's an added
step there's something extra that law-enforcement are up against here that they may not even be aware that they're
up against and what I mean by that is a helper - I don't even know that it has to be a person it could be some form of
Technology it could be a person and again the the person themselves doesn't necessarily have to be a fool on 100
percent accomplice it could be somebody that just aided in some manner to this individual and may
not even know that they've helped Bridge guy right and what what any of this could be could be it could be a false
alibi you could get that with some kind of technology or a person maybe the person does know what you've done but
you have a false alibi that that looks and it passes the smell test to investigators to where you are not on a
certain list now because you have this alibi but but in fact it's not a truthful one at all you could also come
up with a false alibi based off of Technology and I and I don't know exactly how or what I don't have an idea
of what that would be but if you had somebody I think the problem is a lot of people point out to you well you'll want
somebody that had a type of job or a lifestyle that means that they did not have to be accounted for during that
time because they've always told us in their general profile that this person may have missed an appointment or
an unexcused absence from something during or around the time of the murders so if they if they didn't if that has
not worked on on apprehending this individual then you go well maybe this person did not have to be accounted for
that day at that time and that was my belief for a long time I'm starting to wonder if if this individual maybe they
spoke to them or spoke to the helper and there's something telling them that this
person could not have been in the area at the time but they in fact very well could have well that's interesting too
at that at the announcement they had last year in April do you remember the comment they made to the perpetrator who
may very well be in this room and they stopped talking mm-hmm that has stuck out to me too
and I think it stuck out to a lot of people and a lot of people noticed both of them looked in a very specific area
of the room did you notice that yeah I noticed that I I thought that one the rumor I heard in regards to that was
that there was somebody in the room that has not been fully cooperative with their investigation and they might be
suspicious of the individual because of that but I've also heard from the press that was present there that day that
they had a different feeling in a different sense yes they were all kind of in shock when they heard that
statement at first and thought well the killer could be in the room but I got the feeling that none of the the press
that spoke about their experience that day left there thinking that that police believed that the guy was actually in
the room I do think that they purposely because remember they announced I think they made the announcement on Thursday
or Friday that they were going to have an announcement in the case on that Monday on the following Monday so I
think they purposely did that with the intention of giving the bridge guy enough time to get there should he want
to attend that press conference right and what was interesting to me too is the murders took place on a Monday maybe
they're just going off of something as simple as well he was available on that Monday is there a chance that he's still
available on Mondays let's make the press conference on a Monday that's an interesting thought that's a really
interesting thought I really can't shake and I know it seems so stupid and dumb and out of bounds
right now but I cannot shake the fact that I'm really starting to think he had some kind of helper in some way and I
mean is that somebody that's providing a false alibi is it somebody that dropped
him off in that area right is theirs is it somebody that it was not there for the abduction or the killings themselves
but was going to be a part of something later and then that's where I go back to
maybe that's why he passed on the potential of one victim and when when I was just gonna say that oh my gosh
that's why I mean that's a really that could explain the two victim and there's a good chance that law enforcement knows
this and you go well why would they hold that back are they trying to appeal to one of one of the perpetrators right to
turn on the other one because under that scenario you may have two people and and
my belief is if it was if he did have a helper the the bridge guy is much more guilty of much more horrible crimes than
what the helper would be guilty of and you wonder does Doug Carter come out with that statement that I believe that
you still have just an ounce left of I can't remember his exact words but he's he's trying to play to somebody that
might have some form of remorse or some form of guilt of their involvement in this and get them to come forward to
give them the chance to come forward yeah that helped their theories really that's really interesting Melissa thank
you for coming on today I really appreciate his fascinating discussion and hopefully we will be talking very
soon when this case is solved or going to try so thanks for having me on [Music]
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Brief Summary

Nick and Melissa discuss the Delphi case, its haunting details, investigation challenges, and the psychological aspects of the crime.

Key points

Introduction to the Delphi Case. Nick and Melissa discuss the unsolved double homicide of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.
Speculation on Withheld Evidence. Melissa and Nick discuss the possibility of more evidence being withheld by law enforcement.
The Bridge Guy's Behavior. Speculation arises about the speed of the bridge guy's approach to the girls.
Odd Crime Scene Comments. Robert Ives mentions several oddities at the crime scene, raising eyebrows.
Speculation on the Murder Weapon. Discussion about the potential use of a bladed weapon in the attack.
The Bridge's Role in Vulnerability. The bridge's instability plays a crucial role in the victims' vulnerability.

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The video and audio haunts him.

Investigator's reaction to the footage.

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Tension

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