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true [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] crime hello Melissa thank you for joining us in the garage this week how
are you doing hey it's great to be here thanks for having me so you and I have had so many off the record conversations
about the deli case and yes it's got national attention but it's something that is really always on my mind and I
know you're always thinking about it too and both of us have a lot of thoughts and opinions which is just a natural fit
because there's not a ton of information out there I thought would be interesting
if you could join me in the garage and we could talk about some of our thoughts and opinions regarding the unsolved
double homicide case of Abigail Williams in Liberty German sounds good the way this conversation came about was you
reached out to me and you said hey Nick are you listening to down the hill because I'm listening to it and it's
fascinating and you and I have had plenty of Deli conversations before this and I said to you yeah I said to you
well that's weird I'm not listening to down the hill I've been listening to scene of the crime but they're talking
Deli as well and so what that inspired for me and for you is you then went to listen to scen of the crime and I
listened to down the hill so now we're all caught up and here we are going to have a
discussion of reading between the lines of what information has been released And discussing what we think could be
going on here with the investigation itself and with what happened on that fateful day in February of 2017 so I
don't know about you but one of the like main issues I have with this case is there's not much information out there
so when we were given these little tidbits in both of the podcasts I felt like it was just a huge finding yeah and
it's really been a lot of trying to read between the lines and these two podcasts
had more information than others have True Crime garage has covered Deli at least six episodes in countless off the
Record episodes but it was interesting to get the real nuts and bolts of the case from these two different podcasts
so let's just Dive Right In Here with with some of the thoughts that we wanted to discuss the first being the
investigators they interviewed said that the video and the audio haunts him because of the reaction of one of the
girls and could take that a million different ways but I did want to get either what what opinions do you have of
that or what questions does that raise for you so one of my main thought processes with this was that the
investigator you know when he was talking about it he had said he had watched the video multiple times and it
always bothers him the reaction of the one girl's face as she's watching what's happening to her friend so in my brain I
was thinking okay we know this whole time it's been Libby's cell phone who was or who's been recording or who was
recording at the time and so my thought process was okay if he's saying he's watching the face of one of the
girls while the other girl is you know something's quote unquote happening to her she's watching watching what's
happening then I would believe that they referring to Libby watching what's happening to Abby
here because if it was Libby's cell phone we know it was in Libby's possession at the time I feel like that
is the most plausible explanation is that it was Libby who was watching what's happening to Abby yeah so we're
going to have a a difference of opinion here just based off and I can only go off of stuff that I've heard and seen
and read and and you can only go off of what you've seen and read I have a different different opinion on this
because what I I've I and I'm trying to think of the investigator that you're talking about but I do recall seeing an
investigator interviewed and saying yeah the video the audio haunts me and I didn't think that it was as
specific as because of seeing the one girl's face I'm not questioning that that you didn't
find that somewhere I just I didn't have the same experience what I was able to find was
that three of the family members are saying that they were allowed to watch the video and that was Becky Mike and
Anna watched the video and here's where you got to take it a step further did they see the entire video or were they
only showed a portion of it what law enforcement was willing to show them and their statements were that there was
very little on the video that they saw that was of use to ident identifying the the suspect or even really knowing what
was going on with the girls at at the time of of the video that what they're seeing what they did say that they saw
or heard on the video was typical girl talk talking about the man on the bridge Whispering between the two and at some
point Libby said something about a path ending and this is where I take it a bit
a step further try to fill in the blanks and then wonder if the order of this is
pretty concise as to what they witnessed on the video because you can almost see
this playing out in your mind where we have typical girl talk maybe the video actually started before they witnessed
the man on the bridge then all of a sudden hey there's somebody on the bridge he's alone why is he walking this
fast towards us and then wh Whispering between the girl between the two as the perpetrator gets closer and as their
fear heightens and then at some point we have this situation of Libby says something about the path ending and I
think Anna's words were something to the effect of well where do we go now the path is ending this almost sounds to me
like by this point he's already got them the bridge gu's already got them somewhat under his control that he's
directing them around and that's where I wonder if in fact there was some video at this point and that's what your
investigators talking about saying one of the girls faces at this point her reaction to what's going on because you
also wonder like if if the path does run out now not only does he have control of
us but he's taking us off the path doesn't it seem like the Situation's getting a little dire getting worse like
not only does he is he threatening us and controlling our movements but he's now taking us into the woods into a
place where we really don't want to go with this guy well now I've also heard rumors about either the video going out
or the audio going out at some point I don't know have you heard those rumors at all I've definitely seen the rumor of
the video going out where there is additional audio that can be heard but the the phone that was capturing the
video may have been concealed at some point and that's really interesting because I
feel like I'm a 50-50 split to whether the perpetrator knew of the phone at all of the existence of the phone at all
because one thing we do know is that the phone was found somewhere near the crime
scene we do not they don't tell us exactly where it was found but we do know that it was in fact found so that
leads me to believe one of two things occurred for the briti guy either he never detected Libby's cell phone never
she was able to conceal it and he never came across it or two he may have tried to destroy
it but was unsuccessful or thought he had successfully destroyed it you know smashed the phone and then left but
there was still there was the technology was still inside the phone and able to show us this video and give us this
audio one thing I do question though is if he did detect the phone if he did find the phone it's interesting to me
the sophistication that goes into the thought of to not take it with him especially if he may have thought that
there was something incriminating on the phone it it shows that he has some general understanding of that type of
Technology meaning had he taken a phone with him they may have been able to track him in some form using her phone I
know that the fine my phone app was not working on Libby's phone at the time it does show some type of sophistication to
me that he he may have chose not to take the phone with him now I had had a thought that so from what I have heard
as far as the crime scene which I know we'll get into in a little bit that it was not a or not an organized crime
scene and the fact too it makes me think uh as well that her shoe was found what
a couple feet away from where their body were would eventually be discovered I had always thought that the phone had
fallen at some point and he didn't even necessarily know it was there or because
I I had had that thought too why not try to dispose of the phone why not throw it
into the creek that they were near you know why not try to completely get rid of it if it did have this evidence of
him committing these crimes on it you know that kind of goes along with the the theory that I'm now in belief of
that I actually think that at some point they did try to run from him that they tried to flee him and so the information
I found was that Libby one of her shoes was on the bridge on the moan and high bridge side of the creek and their
bodies were found on the other side of the creek so I'm wondering now if as they're approaching this Creek area or
as they're making their way down the hill if they Tred to run toward the creek and cross the creek to
get away from him Libby losing her shoe in the process or did the bridge guy then place it there or throw it there
discard of it there for for whatever reason later but then that's interesting what you just brought up it could be
just as simple as Libby dropped the phone to either abandon it to to be able to run away faster or dropped it on
accident or dropped it to seal it so he wouldn't know that she filmed him I do think there's more on the video and
audio than police are revealing partially also because we didn't even know it was a video until last year like
they didn't release that until 2019 April literally a year ago yeah so a couple things that that I believe and
again this is just my opinion in regards to the video and the Audio I do think that there is more that was recorded
there was more that was recorded I think that probably what we have here is whatever else they have in addition
to what they've released is of no benefit to the public to the victims or to the
investigation meaning I don't think that we have much more of the offender of the
bridge guy I think there's no reason for me to believe that we are not seeing the
best image that they have of bridge guy what would be the benefit to their investigation to withhold a better image
image of him from the public when you've clearly told us time and time again for
3 years that you need the Public's assistance so that just doesn't ring true to me that there would be
additional better images of the bridge guy I think that there's probably some additional images of the bridge guy but
the one that we're seeing is the best one that they are able to provide to us and then in regards to the audio I think
that there's definitely more audio one thing that Anna did say was you know gave us a brief description of the audio
she could make out again we don't know that that law enforcement showed the family every everything that they had we
just don't know that the family seems to think that they saw everything that law
enforcement had but we just don't know in regards to the audio the statements I saw from from the family was that there
was much more audio than there was video so that goes back to the idea that the phone was concealed or dropped at some
some point and from from from filming more video but then on top of that if you have additional audio I think that what
you probably have is a lot of talk between the two victims which doesn't help the the
public identify the bridge guy so there's no need to release any of that and then on top of that if you do have
additional audio from the bridge guy it may be to a point where he is initiating
certain threats that may be even detailed threats and we know that they've withheld a bunch of information
the cause of death they've withheld if if they were sexually assaulted how he gained control of them there could be
details inside those threats that would be would be bad for the investigation because they're withholding that other
information right and just to bounce off of that um so that audio that the police
did eventually release where it says guys down the hill I've actually seen quite a few people like try to analyze
that audio and I think I actually sent you a copy of it as well that someone tried to clear it up so it's very
apparent while looking at this from a sound point of view like looking at it underneath audio editing equipment you
can see a definite cut in the two sections my guess is there's more of the offender in the audio and I agree as
well that it's probably something not that should not be shared with the public at least right now as far as what
happened with the crime whether or not he described what he did to the girls or went into great detail or you know
something um but I do think I I just my guts telling me there's more on the audio and video than what they're
they're sharing ultimately so some information real quick that I have here in my notes sorry
I'm going through my notes as we go through this Libby cell phone was they did a factory reset 10 days before the
murder this was because the phone was all boogered up with a whole bunch of unnecessary data and probably games and
things like that that's why they were not able to use the Find My Phone app because a lot of the apps that were on
her phone had not been loaded back on on to the phone after this factory reset because that's what her grandmother
Becky would have used to track her down right so then take that a step further what we have here
is the phone was recovered at the scene we don't know where exactly but it's stated as found close to the
scene law enforcement has confirmed that they have more audio and video and all of the audio they have is from the video
that Libby filmed meaning there there's there's not a separate recording that's Audio Only and their statement here from
my notes Libby filmed using the standard video recording camera feature on her iPhone now I have a question that
picture of Abby on the bridge that was taken that day right yes yeah so that's definitely
Snapchat so correct yeah I mean well and if that's the case then that it was record I mean and
obviously you know anyone who has a phone we know we can just press the button and it records the whole time
that's interesting so it was Tobe lesen be who stated publicly that the crime is
not on the recording and I believe that was his exact words the crime is not on the recording again I have to believe
that means the the double homicide itself with the SnapChat thing first of all you're talking to the wrong guy I've
never used Snapchat I don't I don't know I don't even I barely even know what it
is to be honest with you what I have here is interesting because the we do know what time that that Snapchat went
out so the timing of that is 2:07 p.m. that the Snapchat goes out the interesting thing there is there's no
Bridge guy behind Abby at that time we know based off of sunlight and shadows and other
information that the bridge guy is approaching them between 2:20 and 2:30 p.m. so shortly after that Snapchat
minutes after that Snapchat we now have Bridge guy in pursuit of the two girls and what's fascinating and terrifying to
me too is I believe that either if they're already recording the video or if they were inspired to then record the
video there's somebody else on the bridge which seems haunting on its own he's by
himself again haunting why is he walking so fast why is he approaching us so fast
and the terrifying thing for these two girls again ages 14 and 13 years old they can clearly see a grown man
approaching them very quickly on this rickety Old Bridge you're now left with two options you're either going to be if
you let him keep approaching you you're either going to be in close quarters with this individual that you're already
kind of put off of or your other option is to have to cross him on that bridge just that alone you're kind of
you're really boxed into a corner if you're Libyan Abby here and that that thought there just terrifies me and I
think that that that thought alone explains the inspiration for for the for filming him be it if you were already
filming something else or if you were inspired to do so because of the sight of him now what we also can piece
together is that very likely Libby who's recording is already off of the bridge she's on the what I refer to as the dead
end side of the bridge she's already off of the bridge and you can see that she at one point is filming Abby who's
making her way toward the dead IDE and then at some point they become aware of the bridge guy and then what happens
after that we don't know we can piece together too though some point he's able to take control of the girls and attempt
I believe he was successful moving them directing them where he wanted them to go for for a portion of time that he was
successful with that I think at some point it it it may have got away from him so
something I'm thinking I don't remember off the top of my head which podcast it was that mentioned this but they had
made a comment that it was common for Abby to take pictures of random people out in the public um you know
secretively of course and like send it to people and like oh that's your boyfriend joking right which is a total
teenage girl thing to do speaking as once being a teenage girl so it almost makes me wonder if that's what the
ultimate like cause of the videoing was and we know that the video is the SnapChat thing is from that day one
because it was posted that day but on top of that Abby that was her first time crossing the bridge to my knowledge from
everything I've heard that that was the first time she crossed the bridge so it's almost like we have we have her her
best friend memorializing that event with that Snapchat post and then we have okay whole different reason whole
different action now we got Bridge guy we got video of bridge guy which we know was recorded using the standard video
recording camera feature on her iPhone the other interesting thing too we talked about the timing of everything
that the bridge guy was on the bridge between 220 and 230 roughly the spot where he is
recorded is St ated by and I can't recall I'm going off a memory here if he's the former prosecutor or current
prosecutor I'm guessing he's the former Robert IES he says the image of the bridge guy that we have seen publicly
was recorded at a great distance and based off of the markings on the bridge we're able to determine that the
suspect at that point is approximately 60 feet from the end of the bridge and that bridge from what I've seen the
locals say takes about six minutes to cross this goes back to a theory that that I threw out there when we covered
it on True Crime garage and I'm still of this theory that he was approaching them
and he was approaching them rather quickly that he was moving across that bridge at a faster than normal rate and
that might have been something that tipped them off why would he go that fast that it almost feels like to me
that the two knew or were suspicious of his movements believing at some point he's either going to approach us or he
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said that several things about the crime scene were odd and I found this interesting and I do know a little bit
of the production between the two podcast scene of the crime was was the production was completed on that before
down the hill was completed they both came out roughly about the but what I found interesting was theast
between the twoin that of Robert IES statements where on scene of the crime he says
there were several things about the crime scene that were odd and it's almost like he it's almost like loose
lips sink ships once the toothpaste is out of the tube you can't put it back in but he tries to walk it back a little
bit like you know there there are there are always odd things about a murder scene it felt a little telling like no
maybe th maybe this crime scene has things about it that are more strange than the typical crime scene and then
later on down the hill he's now referring to these rather than odd things as signatures and it's almost like he
was schooled to to start using the word signature or if it maybe it was a theatrics thing I don't know but I
cannot shake either of those statements I cannot get them out of my head I cannot quit circling round and round
about what they could mean and you and I touched upon that a little bit in our conversations I don't know take me into
your thoughts when you hear somebody that close to the case say a statement like that I can totally agree with that
the odd crime scene comment has stuck with me this entire time since it was said um cuz you know obviously your mind
starts racing like okay what in the heck could that mean and you know no no crime
scene is a good crime scene you know like it's to say that it's odd really makes me think that so and also too um
the First Responders they had made a comment too in the podcast I think it was down the hill that they all had to
decompress that evening so when I hear it was an odd crime scene they had to decompress that evening
which of course you know the murder of two children that is not an easy thing to deal with as a first responder or
investigator that is not a good thing that never sits well but for to make a point to say that almost all of the
people involved all of the First Responders involved had to decompress that evening because that was the like
like severeness of the crime scenea exactly exactly which I mean you know we hear that First
Responders need to decompress when they see some really messed up things which rightfully so then the mentioning of the
signatures so the second I heard that I was like okay that's really interesting to hear that there are signatures
involved in the case and to know about all the different rumors that are circulating around it
immediately made me think that there might be some value to some of those rumors you know I mean there were people
there at the crime scene the person who found them was a family member of libes I believe for them to say their
signatures I know you and I have kind of discussed this um what the difference between a signature and an MO is right
so it it's it just like I mean should we go into the rumors or well yeah I think we should
because part of this that I'm hoping oping to achieve with our discussion here today
is some of the old rumors that we're circling around they've made their way back again
and I think it's because of the two podcasts which is strange to me because they were so complete and concise about
the information that they were putting out but again it's always going to go back to the law enforcement has not
released much information so then that that only inspires the rumor mill but I think that some of the some of the
rumors are one they're just negative toward the victims negative toward the families and they hold no Truth at all
so not only am I hoping that our discussion has some some interesting opinions and some interesting takes and
theories on what might have actually happened but also to to squash some of those rumors that are showing their ugly
face again so I think the other interesting thing here to keep in mind and correct me if I'm wrong Melissa
but Robert IES was pressed they're like what do you mean by signatures can you tell us what they were and he's of
course he's like no I cannot tell you what they were I believe he was pressed to say well how many signatures or how
many odd things or off things would you say that you saw at this crime scene and
I believe his exact words were two or three I feel like three feels like more familiar to me to the point where I I
wonder if if he did say three but two or three is what I've been kind of working
off of based off of his statements if I'm remembering correct and I think too he says at least two or three at least
at least stuck with me I mean I feel like that leaves room now for like tons of speculation because it's like what
else was at that crime scene so um I know some of the like most popular theories are um and what we I can can
also mention that Facebook message that I had found so there's a screenshot that's been circulating around by the
person who actually found the girls um who saw the shoe first looked up ended up finding them so there's a Facebook
messeng Messenger picture going around stating that Libby was nearly decapitated and that it was obviously
personal towards her which is an interesting you know thing to say especially if they did not know the
person well and again this is not a the person that's giving that opinion that they believe it to be personal is not an
expert no can we agree on that and and should we take it a step further and question the the validity of that
screenshot oh I I would say yes well not only that but I think because that screenshot has circulated around this
person is now a favorite suspect of many online sths which is kind of interesting
but um just to roll off of that though I've heard many rumors and I'm not sure if you've heard the same rumors that
Libby had to wear a scarf at the funeral yeah that's been a pretty common one to
go around and actually I've seen it said that both were wearing scarfs at their funerals I I mean I don't know if that's
true obviously I was was not there and um I don't know if that's true but I will tell you this I am of the belief
and I'm basing this off of things that I've seen and heard and a lot of it mind you is second and third hand but I'm
hearing this from and seeing this from some trusting from some trusting persons and
sources and this is not Insider information this is my opinion I believe that the that it was a
bladed weapon that was used in the in the attack of of the girls I think that it was a gun that was used to
control them and to move them but because of how loud a gun is when it came time to you know that it was a
bladed weapon that was used for that portion of the of the crime now that's interesting and I don't know that I want
to take any further than that um as far as what the injuries could be and then you take it a step further and you say
well and you bring up a really good thought it's it's this lay person's opinion that it was personal based upon
the injuries they saw or may have seen that it was personal against you said Libby yes yeah
here's where I take that a step further and and and you said well that's interesting especially if they didn't
know them it's almost implying that the the victim and the offender knew one another another but we've seen plenty of
crimes we've seen plenty of murders where it it appears to be personal in nature but they didn't know each other
and that can happen for a multitude of reasons one did Libby present certain problems to the
offender and really piss the guy off or did he or did she really fight him fight back in a in a good strong way
and it became personal for him the other thing too that people often point out is
overkill well the the offender must have known the victim because of the overkill
that we see at the scene or on the victim or the overkill that's um presumed to be at the scene since we
don't know exactly how they died you know looking at other cases not this case but there were plenty of Ted
Bundy's victims that had the appearance of over Overkill because that's how he preferred to kill the victim that's how
he naturally attacked these victims and he didn't know any of them where there's
Overkill does not necessarily have to mean that the offender knows the victim or has a a specific hate for that victim
that they want to destroy because that's what you see with Overkill you often say
um to to kill somebody is to take them away to to end their lives but the overkill is the emotion is they want to
destroy that person you don't necessarily have to know them to have that hate the victim could be a surate
which is seen represent it's it's seen a lot it could and it's with some of these killers
serial killers in particular some of them it's just a a a general hatred for women in general and and that all that
means is that for Overkill to be present is that the victim is a woman I don't know I've not heard rumors of of of
Overkill here with Deli but I have heard and seen the rumors of it possibly being
personal with in regards to Libby I think that that means something that that doesn't necessarily mean that they
were that they the perpetrator knew either one of the victims I think this was a stranger abduction and attack and
I think that's part of the reason why the investigation has been so difficult and I think that it became it may have
become personal for the killer so this is um something I've gone back and forth on a
lot let me ask your opinion do you think that the girls were killed at the scene
we have a vague statement from law enforcement that would lead us or lead me to believe that their statement is
they were killed where they were found and people have taken that you can take that a million different ways where they
taken off someplace else and then returned to the general area and killed there I don't think any of that went
down I think that this the general statement of they were killed where they were found and they would have evidence
to prove that to them to law enforcement it wouldn't be very hard for them to figure that
out but I think that you have to take in account a few different things all of these crimes and anytime you have a
murder especially with a double homicide you have you have multiple crimes that happened during the commission from the
start to finish of this we know that they were abducted at some point because they were moved they were under his
control and moved somewhere that they would not want to be so that is the definition of being abducted and then
they are killed what we have here to me is there there's not a lot of time that goes by from the time that he Bridge guy
first comes on the scene to the girls to the time when they're probably when it's
probably all over with and he's in the process of fleeing the area we have law enforcement statements that say and
again they're they're speculating as well because until we catch the guy we just don't know but they're saying that
on their press releases with the description of the bridge guy and images of the bridge guy they state that it's
believed he left the area by 5:00 p.m. but could have still been there in the general area when the family started
searching for the girls the other difficult thing here which is weird about the phone with going back to
Libby's phone is we have Derek who was there to pick them up he calls Libby's phone at 311 that afternoon because he
can't find the girls now a couple tricky things here she doesn't pick up the phone you could take that one of two
ways whatever happened already happened or by 311 or she's under the control of bridge guy or has dropped the phone by
that time there's also some interesting speculation that we know to be true is with the with the camera feature that
she was using to record the video if you have an incoming call on that iPhone that she had it would it would stop the
recording is that what stopped the recording eventually the phone goes dead eventually that you know it's going to
to voicemail at some point then you take it a step further if they were afraid enough to
record video why not just call 911 right you know like right you got to think that may have been an option I'm sure
that there's somewhere places that your phone just won't work but why was that option not used or and here's a little
safety tip for anybody out there if you're approached by somebody that that that they know they're aware that
you saw them already and they're trying to abduct you at the very least lie to them and tell them you've already called
911 even if you feel like you can't in that very moment tell them that you've already called yeah can't hurt by that
point no I mean shoot yeah and it's just making me think like at what point were they under his
control at what point did they feel unsafe what was it during the video was it after the video did it and I think
that's a really interesting point too that if I had to guess that's most likely how the video stopped was
probably the call coming in from her father and that's just my opinion obviously but yeah no it just makes me
wonder at what point they knew they were in trouble and why they didn't feel comfortable I
mean unless he had had a weapon on them at that point yeah which is I I think I mean and you got to think too it's very
difficult to handle two victims at one time even if you're a man like into small smaller teenage girls um and I
want to say too they don't think think that the murderer is a very tall large person they think he's on the shorter
side and what did they say thought I heard like 5'9 to 5'11 but I could be wrong don't quote me on that I'm G to
pull it up I I have the FBI seeking information flyer here somewhere 56 to 510 yeah I mean that's a short guy and
they put him at 180 to 200 lb which is interesting because that's from the the newest information
because the old information had him about 20b heavier but the same height yeah I mean how How could
somebody of that stature and I want to say Libby was taller for her age I I believe she would probably would have
been close to that height and I know Abby was a little bit smaller but to be able to control two victims at one time
that is not an easy thing to do by any means that's what you need the gun for un or some weapon um right and this is
going back to the statement that Doug Carter stated Kelsey said as well they both are of the belief that the the
bridge guy that wasn't his first time Crossing that bridge they both they're saying anyone that has
walked that bridge before would understand that and I've never walked the bridge so I don't know but I'm going
to believe them with that statement which is interesting meaning he's either from the area or currently lives in the
general area or or at least has been to that location a time or two before where I take it a step further is
if you the a map of the general area is so key for anybody that's trying to look
into this case and do a little bit of their own web sleo thing a little bit of their own armchair detective work here
because if you look at the way that that whole situation is laid out if he's familiar with the area if he this is
where you got to put yourself in the mind of the killer of the perpetrator he chose that area he didn't
just end up there by accident that day he chose that area and if we're if we're to believe that he used a gun to control
them if we if he brought weapons with him to the scene there's every indication that he went there and he's
using this as some type of hunting ground now he is using that bridge as a strategy he
knows that once somebody gets more than halfway across that bridge that either he can go to the other side of the
bridge and pin them down or they at the very least have to pass him on that b Bridge as they're coming back trying to
get to to the opposite side I think he was looking for a certain type of victim and I think he was looking for them to
put thems in a state of vulnerability and the bridge is what caused them to be vulnerable if he's up on a bridge with
them right a bridge is not stable like and if you look at pictures of this bridge it is an Old Bridge um yeah so I
mean you got to think I mean if all it would take is one of them to push him off and it's like even if you have a
weapon on them it's still a very risky area to try to take control of two teenage girls and part I think not only
is he chasing after them but I think that's why I believe him to be moving so quickly across the bridge and there's a
lot of other people that share that opinion is that he wants to catch them at that state of being vulnerable and
that that area for him is getting them on the dead end side of the bridge and I think that I think that as
fast as they saw him moving is what inspired the the fear that that sent up the red flags about there's something
not right with this guy let's go back to our our takes on the the crime scene itself and there being at least two or
three signatures or at least two or three things that were off or odd about the scene according to Robert IES take
that for what it is but but look at the surface of what we do know and see if any of the things that we already know
could apply to that statement one thing that we do know is multiple victims at one time is a rare it's a rare
thing so is Robert IES lumping in the fact that we know that there are two victims as being a signature or
something that was off or odd and now are we down to just two things that we have to try to decipher what was was off
or OD and you know i' I've heard theories that a lot of people believe this was the first time this suspect or
um perpetrator had killed somebody I I I'm not sure how people have drawn that conclusion being we know
so little about the crime itself if it were his first time offending to initially take on two victims at once
and like you how you had said it's it's rare and it's not a common thing and it makes me think that somebody who is just
you know starting to kill would not necessarily go straight away for two team teers yeah it seems like a more
difficult situation that anytime you increase your level of risk you're increas increasing your level of risk of
getting caught and these guys that fantasize about violence that fantasize about abduction or killing they want to
be successful in what it is that they set out to do so they do not want to increase the risk of getting caught
number one but they also don't want to increase the risk of not being successful in living out their fantasy
their violent fantasy the thing that gets difficult there is you have to because we don't know who bridg guy
is we do not know what his fantasy was what his intention was what his plan was is there a chance that he was unaware
until it was too late that he was approaching two people instead of just one I think that's on the Slimmer side
of of possibilities I think it's very likely that he knew he was approaching too because I keep going back to that
he's looking for not only a certain type of victim but a victim that puts themselves in a in a certain spot in
that that state of being vulnerable I don't think that two victims was a signature but I think
there's a purpose for it I think there's a reason behind it why he chose to rather than one I or maybe the
numberers not so much important but the people that he saw the targets that he saw I think there's reasoning behind
that like maybe he set his eyes on one of the girls and the other one with collateral damage that's always a
thought process that's a strong possibility yeah the other strong possibility is were these the first two
Targets that he saw that didn't contain a male or was this the smallest group of
people that he saw I have some belief and I don't know for certain but there are some statements and some witness
reports eyewitness reports who people that were in the area around this time of day where it seems to me like he may
have had the opportunity to go after a single female uh a woman or a or a younger lady
by themselves now we don't know that we can't say for certain that he actually saw that Target and decided to pass on
it but there seems to be enough evidence out there to me that that is a possibility that he that he didn't
choose that Target for some reason so then that makes me go back to well maybe it's it's either this type of victim the
number of targets that was important enough for him to move in and act because one thing we do know is we don't
have anybody coming forward saying oh I was attacked or approached by some weird
guy on this day around this time that didn't happen so it almost appears like whoever he first set out to go after he
he did he actually went after them there's also zero this is the one rumor that I would love to squash right
here there is zero evidence or zero reason to believe we cannot say for certain but there is zero evidence to
suggest that he went there targeting one or both of these girls specifically that
he knew that they would be there and he went there for the purpose of going after one or both of them
so we we can state that for several reasons one it was kind of a last minute trip that they went out there and two
this isn't like a super secluded place this is a place that a lot of people went to to go hiking especially younger
teenagers to hang out or hike the trails which makes me wonder if he if he knew the bridge and he knew that area well
enough he would have known the type of people that would have ventured to go there especially during the middle of
the day of a on a work week and that also tells me maybe he was looking for that type of victim your show's called
victimology so I don't have to explain to you there there is these perpetrators have uh have a victim type often and be
it if they're a Serial offender or not a one off if you're going to try to profile the offender it's as important
to profile the victim and as important to profile the area and just to bounce off of that
so one really huge issue with the information we know about this case is and I think this is the reason why
people are so upset that it has not been solved and that we don't know more is because we don't know what the
motivation was behind the crime they have never said if it was sexually motivated if it was a rage killing if it
was a mission killing they have never ever clarified on their thought process on that so we don't know if the ultimate
goal was to have some sort of sexual fantasy fulfilled by the girls death deaths so and I know um there's a lot of
theories out there that a lot of weird post-mortem activity had happened and I really don't hold a lot
of I I don't think they hold much water let's put it that way well again that goes back
to if that that means he has to stay there longer and longer every every weird postmortem activity
that that he's supposed to have done means he's there longer at the scene and again increasing his risk
level of getting caught or being seen with the victims after the fact and I I do think that there was some
stuff done and I think that that is really where I want to mesh two statements together where we have Robert
Ives who says there were two or three signatures at least two or three signatures we also have Doug Carter the
spokesperson for and I know that's not his proper title but he's done he's The Upfront one he is the the face and the
voice of the press conferences coming out of the Indiana State Police his statement when he was addressing the
killer you know and he got real personal with his statements and I loved that I loved the aggressiveness of his
statements and addressing the killer directly in some of those press conferences but one of his statements
was he says something like I can promise you they are not the way that you left them that day
yeah and that to me does tell me that there was there was some postmortem activity that
was that were actions by the Killer and I almost feel like that is an attempt to
slap the killer in the face because we see this with a lot of these guys they have fantasies leading up to
the to the commission of these types of crimes and then they have fantasies after the fact and some of them want to
relive what took place when they committed some of these crimes to me that's almost like we know you did some
things to these to the victims or to the area it's not that way today so get it out of your head quit fantasizing about
it what what you think that you created no longer exist to me that points out one of the most common signatures that
you will find out there is the posing of a victim so feel like to me meshing Carter's statement with Robert I's
statement I feel like posing one or both of the victims is probably I would put that at a high
probability I would also think that there's probably some type of covering of the victims be it with sticks leaves
debris or all of the above because one thing we do know is we have statements from The Searchers that say you know we
were in that very general area the night before and we didn't find them we found
them the next day during daylight and then that has spread the bad rumor that the bodies were moved or the victims
were were taken away from the scene and then brought back at some point I think people are overanalyzing that I think
it's just as simple as it was dark out right and they didn't and there may have been some camouflage involved be it
leaves sticks debris covering of the bodies that prevented them from finding them that night under the cover of
Darkness the other thing we have to factor in there too Melissa is keep in mind at night you believe you're looking
for two girls who are alive and well that's a much different thing and I I still think they The Searchers believe
that they were looking for two girls that were alive and well the next day but now that the fear level has
increased for the Searchers because the time that has expired but that night you're not you're looking in a different
way you're out in the dark you're calling the girls names hoping to hear them respond to your voice and when you
don't get that you kind of quickly move on in that situation you're hoping to cover as much ground as possible we just
reviewed a case on True Crime garage it was the Evansdale murders where the two victims were found in a remote location
and it was such a remote dense area that the the officer said had these Hunters just been five feet or so in a
different direction they would have never have seen the bodies so I I don't think that them not finding them that
night means anything other than they didn't find them that night they were probably there the whole time but then
it also takes you a step further to go okay well what was the signature were they posed were they covered
were they both was it both one of the other theories I had heard and I really don't think there's much to it um is
that the girls were wearing each other's clothes the reason I don't think that's
the case because the person who actually found the bodies um I I believe the way
it happened is he saw the shoe on the ground looked at the shoe began to look up and ended up seeing Libby in her
tie-dye shirt I don't think that they were NE neily dressed in each other's clothing I thought that was
kind of an iffy one the posing though I totally could see some some form of that
and also too I had also heard a rumor that um either both of them were nude or one but um the wearing each other's
clothing I really don't think that's the case the rumor I heard was that one of them was completely clothed or found in
all the clothing that they were last wearing and then that one of them might have been somewhat undressed but not
completely nude and again that's just the rumor I heard I think this whole thing with them being an each other's
clothing is probably a rumor that just started at the very local level and grew legs for some reason it doesn't
seem like a likely scenario because you're going to have to if you're the perpetrator you're going to have to have
them carry out that act for you or you're going to have to strip them and redress them it see again it's like a
whole lot of extra unnecessary things going on and usually there is a very usually there's a very simple
explanation to what happened and why the issue being for us on the outside trying
to look in one we don't have much information to work off of but two we also don't know
as you pointed out the M MO or the intentions of the perpetrator it's hard to profile him and profile his actions
and what he did or may have done that day because we don't know what what the intent was I I keep seeing a scene where
his intentions were to do something different and it went sideways at some point and then he he attacked and killed
the girls either out of necessity or out of anger and I know it seems like a very
simple explanation but I to me that there seems to be some information out there that might point to that the the
the shoe on the other side of the water and then if you're we know he's directing them we we know that 100%
because we have the one line of down the hill he's telling them go down the hill
he's not saying look there's a deer where is it down that that Hill no he's directing them to go where he wants them
to go he's moving these people along and why is he moving them where is he taking them what is his intention with
that and then take I take it a step further why if if they were killed where they were
found I I have to question that he didn't direct them to that area why would he take them why
would he choose to take them across the water when he didn't have to yeah and you know he could have taken dry land
elsewhere the water seems like an added an added risk level one to and just kind
of a dumb move if if he were smart enough and and look I'm giving him a lot of credit when I say some of these
things and and I and I know that I'm just speculating on a lot but if he was smart enough to choose a victim because
they put themselves on the dead end side of the bridge that's a tactical move why would
he then do something as stupid as to lead them across the water when there's so much other dry land right in the
immediate area that you could have just directed them that's where I almost wonder did they did they decide to make
a run for it at some point or did he lose control of the situation and they fled yeah that's that is one of the
things that I often question so the thing that always comes to my mind is the shoe that was left right did that
fall off while she was fleeing and running or did that come off because the per was dragging her or she's or she's
trying to run full speed across across the water I mean we've all done that and your shoes immediately become soaked and
super heavy and you can you can easily slip out of one of the shoes in regards to the clothing thing we do have
statements from law enforcement that there was some clothing that was found under or near the bridge so this would
be kind of Downstream from where the bodies were found the issue being is we don't have confirmation that it belonged
to the victims or that it has anything to do with the crime at all and then you have to wonder if it did belong to the
victims did the killer place them there for whatever reason or to like mislead them yeah my question is depending on
the type of crime committed I mean if a knife were involved right there would be blood MH
this person would most likely have blood all over themselves and would draw attention to themselves trying to leave
the area yes so I mean unless those clothes underneath belong to the killer like he had stashed something somewhere
or you know he knew he was going to commit a crime that day and tried to plan to the best of his ability or he
left some of his items behind that were covered in blood that's interesting too because one of the statements is that
there was so much evidence left at the scene so you have to wonder do they believe or do they know that he left
some of his belongings there and he does appear to be overdressed when he's on the bridge and one thing that I've come
across many times with people that do like that that try to sneak into a home and steal things or break into a home
and steal things that they will often if they're if they're people that are experienced at doing this they will
often wear multiple shirts and maybe even multiple head coverings or at least one because they
know that if they if anybody sees them if they if somebody spots them either in the house or fleeing the scene oh we got
a we got a male black shirt jeans well if he sheds if in the in the process of fleeing the area if he sheds
his black shirt now he's wearing instead of a black sweatshirt he's wearing a white
T-shirt you you might you might overlook him when you see him again and so you have to wonder is he wearing
extra clothing for to protect his person or because he plans on leaving some of it at the scene if it does in fact get
bloody so when you said so much evidence at the scene um it made me think so a lot of times with criminals you know
they're obviously categorized as organized or disorganized when they leave evidence at a scene that is
indicative of a disorganized criminal but if he were to have planned to leave evidence at the scene it completely
switches the mo on its head to where the purp is now an organized criminal which
is really kind of interesting and it you know it's like if we knew more we could
probably figure it out but unfortunately or at least share what the police know with the way that I think this attack
went down I think we're dealing with and you can't have a mixed a mixed offender
as well that shows signs are both organized and disorganized but I feel to me like with the planning that I believe
was in play here I believe we're dealing with an organized individual now did things get go sideways on him and his
plan got thrown out the window completely and it just got out of control that's a possibility I also
wonder though too with the word the vague word of evidence that doesn't have to necessarily mean that it's evidence
against the perpetrator it may just be evidence that there things at the crime scene that tell them more exactly what
happened and how things went down and it doesn't really point to who committed it
it's just they can connect the dots and know kind of the general timeline and what took place when but then on top of
that you also have to wonder this being out in the open in a public place does some of that evidence quote unquote
evidence some of the stuff that you're collecting at the scene is it just just debris just things that have been left
by other people at other times and it has nothing to do with the case at all you and I talked a lot about Amy I just
say that yep yep yeah they found her off the side of the road they collected every piece of debris that they could
find up and down that stretch of road and we have to believe very little of it little of it actually had to do with the
crime at all when they say evidence you also wonder does does that just mean we found all this stuff and we have to we
have to go through it piece by piece and try to determine if it if it means anything or not and you know that area
too that they were found is technically the property of somebody who lives farther towards like it's like the back
end of somebody's property is where they were found right Ron Logan yes thank you
which is interesting in itself because they are approached we know they are approached on on these Scenic Trails on
these you know public land let's say and then later found on this private land but yeah they they butt up to one
another but I I found that interesting too and that's a question that comes up often too people go well why didn't they
scream and I I mean I look at the location of where they were found eventually and where they were abducted
and I go well they may have and they just nobody heard them or the screams were so far off in the distance that the
people that heard them didn't know they were hearing screams right it if you want to go
like superp super down into it down into the the weeds with me real quick on what
what I think happened here I think the pro a big problem with this case is that whatever he planned on doing it didn't
it didn't work out it's that's not what took place I think he was able to take control and have control for a certain
amount of time and going back to the theory of why take them across the water when there was so much other dry land
that you could Traverse with with your victims as you are directing them where to To Go part of the whole thing about
blood on his person did he plan for that I think he did plan for that but I think
his plan for that was that he was going to be leaving the area in a location where he didn't think he was going to be
seen so that might have just been good enough for him to not have to to put other things into play there to to avoid
that being spotted covered in blood one thing that's weird is we have statements from local law
enforcement that said that they did a sell they subpoena cell phone records within a f mile radius of that
day within the time in question so anyone whose cell phone pinged in that location was contacted and questioned by
police that's their words contacted and questioned by police I have to believe that that involves a face-to-face
conversation where you can see this guy especially where you think that you can see him or make out his features from
from the video that we have of him on the bridge so that brings a whole another thing into play here where and
and they stated that they looked particularly hard at anyone who was new in the area or who was in the area of
the bridge for several hours on that day so they did what I call like a data dump
and I've heard of this type of investigation tactic in other investigations I also know that it it it
is rather difficult to to pull this off this you know what they call data dump but it seems like
they did either successfully or attempted to so if if they were successful with it
you have to take it a step further and go well does that mean he was he was organized enough and sophisticated
enough to not bring his cell phone with him during his time at the moan and high
bridge that day yeah I think I'm leaning more towards that he did not have a cell
phone on him yeah that's that's definitely seems right either he's a dinosaur and
just doesn't own one or he made a he made an a conscious effort to not bring it with
him they've also said that they don't know for certain if he took a vehicle you know if he drove a vehicle there and
left one there and fled in a vehicle or if he walked to this area I find it interesting I personally think that he
drove to the area but then that creates a whole different set of problems for the perpetrator of going undetected but
if he did drive to the area with this data dump investigation it makes me believe he
didn't even leave his his phone in his vehicle that it was just not a part of the plan at all it
was purposely left out and that's where you know I go back into the weeds and I say I think he was
trying to direct them to a vehicle oh I agree I don't think 100% I agree yeah I don't think that he was I don't think
that it went down the way that he wanted it to go down and that is a a big uh Kudos and thank you to the to Abby and
Libby they were you know we we have people on record saying that Libby was a hero
because she filmed the bridge guy we also have Mike Patty on record saying that you know Abby was a hero as well
because the two neither one of them left each other they they wouldn't have left
each other they were best friends till the end and then I take it a step further and say they're both Heroes
because they fought back they whatever this guy wanted to happen it didn't go down the way that he wanted it
to that has led to evidence against him that we will be able to use against him someday so let's talk about the
connection between serial killers and signatures so we know that law enforcement use terms like Mo and
signatures to determine how someone commits a crime and why they commit a crime or what their you know thought
process is so the signature for law enforcement to state that there are signatures
available it most likely points to the fact that they believe this person has offended before or will offend
again there's if it were a one-time crime there would be no need to even mention the signatures that were there
right because the signature is mostly wrapped up in the fantasy of committing this crime so they've thought about they
fantasized about committing this type of crime before and likely still fantasize
about committing this type of crime again and the signature is required by the fantasy and not necessarily required
by the commission of the crime itself right and if it did not go his way it's very possible that the two
girls were killed out of Rage because they did not follow his commands and he ended up still performing some type of
signature that could eventually be connected to his other crimes or future crimes so I I think that's very telling
by them stating there are signatures that they've noticed in the crime and I too I had written down as
well they use the term red flags as well so I I just really in my gut and I've I've actually consulted a couple
different Professionals in the field and I asked them why would law enforcement state that there are signatures in a
crime if they think it's a one-time offender and the answer is they don't they do not think it's a one-time
offender so you know take take everything with a grain of salt but I think they're by saying just this little
statement they're saying a whole lot with it there are some suspects that are known to the public and even their the
Wikipedia page has four or five listed there do you like any of th those suspects we don't need to go through
each one but are there any of those suspects that you like and if so why and if if you don't like any of them what
are your thoughts or suspicions on who this guy could be just um looking at the crime itself I've always thought it's
some type of a truck driver some type of a delivery driver something like that to
where there could have been a vehicle stashed somewhere and it would would have not it would not have raised red
flags in the area um and you know if that were the ultimate goal to get the girls there that would make sense
because that's his domain that's his area that's his property so that being said fairly
recently I want to say close to the beginning of the year there was actually I'm on I'm on a
couple of the um I'm on a couple of the Facebook groups about the Ali case just to watch to see what people are saying
most things I don't take completely seriously um just because again too it's all speculation you know all of this is
speculation but as of late there was actually a man who came on to the group claiming he believes that his brother
committed the crime I believe this person is already in prison So currently he overweight about the same height
somewhere in the same range as what they had originally said um at the time he would have been much thinner and another
thing too we forgot to mention is about the Gate of the person on the bridge so I I've seen a lot of arguments as far as
whether or not this person is walking very particularly because it's unstable or is it because they have some sort of
a limp this specific person is from the area was a truck driver and has a limp he had
had knee surgery or something like that so at the time he would have been about the same size as the suspect's
dimensions so very lightweight on the shorter side so I had actually ended up messaging the brother of this person
just to find out whether or not he has he's communicated with law enforcement and he did message me back and state
that he has um communicated with them and the deli police are aware as well as the FBI so as of right this moment that
is what my gut is telling me um that he looks really good for it why isn't this why isn't this thing solved yet why do
you is there any one thing that you think you can hone in on and point out that you think that hey this is what
they need or this is why they can't find this guy well I think one of the main reasons is time has become the enemy
in the case if and you know we can always say if right if this happened then we would
have him if this happened I really believe though and I think we talked about this in the Amy mahalic case as
well why sit on evidence for that long that could potentially identify somebody and we know with Amy's case they did not
know it was even connected right with this case though they knew that was a video and they did not release any of it
they they sent out a still frame of a person and then they sent out a sketch that was later changed and I I mean I
think unfortunately I don't know if it was a strategy of law enforcement to not let the individual know how much they
had at first um but I mean like my God the the man is captured on tape his voice is captured on tape there's a
video of him available like what what else is it going to take to be able to find this
person I mean I really do think that whoever did Commit This somebody knows it was them whether it's a family member
close friend they know but they just have not spoken up and I mean be with that amount of evidence it would be very
difficult to not identify but at the same time I do think if this information would have been
released previously I have a feeling it would have been solved by now one thing that
has taken over my mindscape in the past few days more so than the statement of there were at least two or three
signatures or at least x amount of things that were odd about the crime scene is I've heard several of the
investigators that are at the very center of this investigation say the same thing and
this is in regards to them talking about the crime scene and potential evidence as well stating that we all thought this
would be solved very quickly we all thought it would just be a day maybe a couple of
days it makes me wonder what happened that's that prevented that from being the case these are seasoned
investigators these are this is not their first rodeo and they're all sharing that same opinion from different
agencies what changed in the investigation that prevented that from happening or you wonder do they did they
think that they had something that they did not did they think that they had something of evidentiary value that
turned out to not be of any value at all like they focused too much on one or two
things that they should have been looking at the bigger grand scheme no not that they mishandled it or went
about it the wrong way just they they thought they had something that that it didn't turn out to be what it appeared
to be on the surface at the crime scene or uh in relation to the case yeah H but to have different
individuals from different agencies all say that same statement and then later we have Doug Carter saying well we think
we were on to something early on in our investigation and that he has that statement right around the time where
they're changing directions they're taking the investigation in a New Direction you know when we get the new
sketch I think the reason why this thing might not be solved I think Bridge guy has a
helper H and I don't that doesn't necessarily there's I think there's something helping him and it's working against the
investigation I think there's an added step there's something extra that law enforcement are up against here that
they may not even be aware that they're up against and what I mean by that is a helper does I don't even know that it
has to be a person it could be some form of Technology it could be a person and again the the person themselves doesn't
necessarily have to be a fullon 100% accomplice it could be somebody that just aided in some manner to this
individual and may not even know that they've helped Bridge guy right and what what any of this could be could be it
could be a false Alibi you could get that with with some kind of technology or a person maybe the person does know
what you've done but you have a false Alibi that that looks and it passes the smell test to investigators to where you
are not on a certain list now because you have this Alibi but but in fact it's not a truthful one at all you could also
come up with a false Alibi based off of technology and I and I don't know exactly how or what I don't have an idea
of what that would be but if you had somebody I think the problem is a lot of people
point out to you well you want somebody that had a type of job or lifestyle that
means that they did not have to be accounted for during that time because they've always told us in their General
profile that this person may have missed an appointment or had an unexcused absence from something during or around
the time of the murders so if they if they didn't if that has not worked on on appr hending this individual then you go
well maybe this person did not have to be accounted for that day at that time and that was my belief for a long time
I'm starting to wonder if if this individual maybe they spoke to them or spoke to the
helper and there's something telling them that this person could not have been in the area at the time but they in
fact very well could have well and it's interesting too um at that at the announcement they had last
year in April um do you remember the comment they they made to the perpetrator who may very well be in this
room and they stopped talking that has stuck out to me too and I think it stuck out to a lot of people
and a lot of people noticed both of them looked in a very specific area of the room did you notice that yeah I noticed
that I I thought that um one the rumor I heard in regards to that was that there was somebody in the
room that has not been fully Cooperative with their investigation and they might be
suspicious of the individual because of that but I've also heard from the press that was present there that day that
they had a different feeling and a different sense yes they were all kind of in shock when they heard that
statement at first and thought well the killer could be in the room but I got the feeling that none of the the press
that that spoke about their experience that day left there thinking that that police believed that the guy was
actually in the room I do think that they purposely because remember they announced I think they made the
announcement on Thursday or Friday that they were going to have an announcement in the case on that Monday on the
following Monday so I think they purposely did that with the intention of giving the bridge guy enough time to get
there should he want to attend that press conference right and what was interesting to me too is the murders
took place on a Monday maybe they're just going off of something as simple as well he was available on that Monday is
there a chance that he's still available on Mondays let's make the press conference on a Monday that's an
interesting thought that's a really interesting thought I really can't shake and I know it seems so stupid and dumb
and out of bounds right now but I cannot shake the fact that I'm I'm really starting to think he had some kind of
helper MH in some way and I and I mean is that somebody that's providing a false Alibi is it somebody that dropped
him off in that area right is there is it somebody that that was not there for the abduction or the killings themselves
but was going to be a part of something later and then that's where I go back to
maybe that's why he passed on the potential of one victim and went went after two just gonna say that oh my gosh
that's why I mean that's a really that could explain the two victim choice and there's a good chance that law
enforcement knows this and you go well why would they hold that back are they trying to appeal to
one of one of the perpetrators right to turn on the other one because under that scenario you may
have two people and and my belief is if it was if he did have a help that the bridge guy is much more guilty
of much more horrible crimes than what the helper would be guilty of and you wonder does Doug Carter come out with
that statement that I believe that you still have just an ounce left of I I can't remember his exact words but he's
he's trying to play to somebody that might have some form of remorse or some form of guilt of their involvement in
this and get them to come forward give them the chance to come forward yeah that help their theories really that's
really interesting Melissa thank you for coming on today I really appreciate it was fascinating discussion and hopefully
we will be talking very soon when this case is solved or going to trial I sure hope so thanks for having me
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Brief Summary

Nick and Melissa discuss the Delphi murders, focusing on evidence, theories, and the investigation's challenges.

Key points

Discussion on Unsolved Homicide. Nick and Melissa dive into the unsolved double homicide case of Abigail Williams.
The Haunting Video. Investigator's haunting experience watching the video of the girls raises questions.
The Dead Side of the Bridge. A chilling moment as the girls become aware of the bridge guy's presence.
Odd Crime Scene Comments. Robert IES remarks on the strangeness of the crime scene, raising eyebrows.
Speculation on the Attack. Discussion on whether the attack was personal or random, with implications for the investigation.
The Mind of the Killer. Exploring the killer's familiarity with the area and his tactical choices.

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Melissa discusses the lack of information on the case.

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