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present along with Council for the defendant both sides ready to proceed has been brought to my attention that
the jury has reached the verdict State state's ready to proceed John defense defense is ready to those in the gallery
please do not express any signs of approval or disapproval upon the reading of the
verdict let's return to jury state recognized president of the jury we do your honor and does the
defense yes sir we do good afternoon ladies and gentlemen of the jury have you reached the
verdict sir would you hand the verdict form to the court Deputy please with a defendant rise along with
councel Madame clerk you may publish the verdicts than judge in the circuit court for the ninth judicial circuit in
in four Orange County Florida State of Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony as to case number 2008 CF 1560
6-0 as to the charge of first-degree murder verdict as to count one we the jury find the defendant not guilty so
say we all dated at Orlando Orange County Florida on this 5th day of July July 2011 signed for person as to the
charge of aggravated child abuse verdict as to count to be the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated
at Orlando Orange County Florida this 5th day of July 20111 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated
manslaughter of a child verdict is to count three we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated
at Orlando Orange County Florida this 5th day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of providing
false information to a law enforcement officer verdict as to count for we the jury find the defendant guilty of
providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment so say we all dated Orlando
Orange County Florida this 5th day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of providing false information to
law and enforcement officer verdict us to count five we the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false
information to a law enforcement officer is charged in the indictment so say we all dated Orlando Orange County Florida
this 5ifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement
officer verdict is to count six we the jury find the defendant not guil sorry we the jury find the defendant guilty of
providing false information to a law enforcement officer is charged in the indictment so say we all dated
Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of providing
false information to a law enforcement officer verdict is to count seven we the jury find the defendant guilty of
providing false information to a law enforcement officer is charged in the indictment so say we all dated Orlando
Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person Madam clerk you may poll a
[Music] jury July 5th 2011 only after 10 hours and 40 minutes of deliberation the jury
acquits Casey Anthony of first-degree murder aggravated manslaughter and aggravated child abuse but convicts her
of all four misdemeanor charges of giving false information to Law Enforcement Officers so the jury didn't
hold Casey Anthony responsible for kayle's death at all in any manner two days later Judge Perry sentences Casey
Anthony to one year in county jail and $1,000 in fines for each of the four misdemeanor counts of providing false
information to Law Enforcement Officers the judge orders all sentences to run run consecutive to each other with
credit for time served based on 3 years credit for time served plus additional credit for good behavior her release
date is set for July 17th 2011 now Judge Perry announces that he will not release the juror names for at
least 7 Days saying that some people have disagreed with their verdict and would like to take something out on them
mhm like maybe like a sharp kick to the crotch well would learn later that several of the jurors would say that
they had received death threats uh after the trial took place August 10th 2011 the Florida Department of Child and
Family Services releases a report concluding that Casey Anthony failed to protect Kaylee and that Casey's actions
or lack of actions resulted in the death of the child so I mean yeah but what does that matter this after the fact it
actually really legally it doesn't matter at all it has very little legal relevance well the FBI did a pretty
interesting test you were talking about yeah and this was something that we failed to get to yesterday there was so
much jam-packed in that show we went through so much information that this kind of just got swept under well not
swept under the rug lost in the shuffle we should say but there was an interesting test that the FBI conducted
and this was a paternity test and they tested George and Lee Casey's father and brother and the thing here is the first
thought that the FBI had was that if she was in fact sexually abused by either of
these people that one of them could have been the father of Kaye so they do the paternity test there was some more
thought going into this than just that though and I found this to be pretty interesting regarding Lee her brother MH
the suspicion was that the name Kaye was a combination of Casey and Lee that she
knew that her brother was the father and that she was you know naming the child after the both of them well that'd be
really sick yes and and both of those tests that were negative George is not the father Lee is not the father of
Kaylee uh We've we've heard who Casey says is the is the father a reminder she says that it was either a man that had
been killed in a vehicle accident uh so we can't confirm if he's the actual father the other thing that she had
stated to her lawyers and to her defense team and I believe her family as well is
that at a a party that she may have gotten drunk and the child was conceived that night now I think there's a few
different versions of that story depending on who she's talking to course Casey's stories are better known as the
troll Tales well and one of those versions at least one of those is that she was at this party and somebody may
have put something in her drink and had sex with her against her will and that's
how the the child was conceived right or the guy had to put something in his drink just to get through the process
the old one for you two for me on July 13th 2011 Texas equa search which assisted in the search for Kaylee sues
Casey Anthony for the cost of the search and now we'll cycle back to this in a little bit because there's quite a bit
more story there uh but following our timeline on July 17th 2011 Casey Anthony is released from jail at 1210 a.m. and
she doesn't initially go home to her parents house never goes back there well she can't after the the allegations that
she threw out at trial right and and well and then the hurt I look I I think she knew based on what her mom and dad
were saying that they felt that there was some guilt there and she just didn't want to deal with them anymore so it's
now I'm out of jail to start a new life and she goes to live with a defense attorney she's there for a little bit
and then she goes to this kind of like church Retreat woman's thing and she gets all religious but it's because all
that stuff is because she's broke right right and she's she's about to get more broke because judge Bellin Perry rules
that Casey Anthony must pay for the cost of the sheriff's search for Kaylee Anthony yeah well I mean when you say uh
my daughter's been missing for 31 days and people start searching for your daughter uh you were lying right right
well yeah you come out at trial and say well she wasn't missing right she's sued
by the uh well not sued but she's ruled that she has to pay the sheriff's department over
$200,000 now we talked about her being sued by Texas Equis search and I'm not sure that we have discussed Texas Equis
search before on this show we yeah we talked about them I I thought so we we may have because they they're they
specialize in searching for missing persons sometimes organizing the searches sometimes assisting but always
working with law enforcement and they have done a lot of really good work over the years thankfully locating many of
the adults and children that they have been looking for over the years and finding a lot of them alive a big we
like your jib to all those volunteers Tim Miller is equa search's director and founder and he founded the search and
rescue organization in 2000 this was after the abduction and murder of his daughter Laura Laura is one of the
victims in the three decades old Texas Killing Fields murders Texas Equis search moved into the area to assist for
the search of Kaylee Anthony this was November 8th and November 9th of 2008 just a little over a month before her
body was found right and this is an expensive operation to come in there and look for somebody and now that we get to
trial and she states well the girl was never missing I just let all these people spend all this money looking for
her anyway uh he wants and his company wants some of that money back and rightfully so yeah [ __ ] better have my
money pay me what you want me now cas would also be sued by zenid Gonzalez remember she there is a real person out
there named zenid Gonzalez and she lives in Florida she doesn't know anything about Casey Anthony or Kaylee Anthony
she never babysat maybe even a day in her life who knows right uh but because this name was smeared all over the news
by Casey stating that zany The Nanny took her daughter well she's going to come after her in court as well and sue
her for defamation now this case ends up just being kind of thrown out and doesn't really go anywhere but Casey's
still going to have to face the judge's ruling of paying the sheriff's department for the searches as well as
the lawsuit by Texas equa search and this is going to lead Casey Anthony into bankruptcy she's going to file for
bankruptcy and she won't have to pay either of them back right but during the bankruptcy trial they we're going to
have a bunch of depositions that come up that some red flags and really she's kind of out of the Limelight at this
point mhm but this is a case that I think the media keeps going back to and trying to dig up more stuff it's kind of
very similar to me like um John B ramsy right always going back to it always trying to dig up some little other
nugget well and of course they've got to they being the media has to flock to this bankruptcy hearing because well
there's players that were involved in the investigation and they want to hear what maybe what nuggets might fall out
of those trees that didn't fall out during the original trial now that the uh the smoke is cleared let's say uh and
one of those individuals is a man by the name of Dominic Casey now he according to ID and I mean ID the the channel the
the TV channel um they they their words are that he worked for the defense team during the trial and during the course
of this uh he basically stated what that Casey was paying Jose by for her defense with sexual favors the
troll tax there was supposed to be a TV appearance yeah a press conference and she didn't want to go she didn't want to
do it so last minute and she was going to get paid for it now the reason why it was set up by bayz was because she
needed to pay for his services so I'll set this thing up we're going to get a little bit of money for it that goes
towards your payment of what you owe me well and your defense too because you're
going to have to bring in experts that you will have to pay for their time in their expert opinions yeah but the
overall service of what Bas is bringing you so when he sets that out for you and
you cancel then that's one makes him look bad I think it kind of makes you look bad and then there's no money
coming in so this this uh private investigators claimed that Bas said to her over the phone well now you owe me
three [ __ ] now to me the devil's always in the detail if he just stated you owe me
[ __ ] or you owe me whatever it doesn't hold as much weight as when somebody says yeah owe me three
[ __ ] that's a very more detailed statement the other claims that he made makes that is when he went to their
offices that he saw Casey running out of bias's office naked yeah he also claims
that he spoke to Casey about this and she stated to him that well she was broke and she had to pay him for the
defense somehow mhm um here's here's a quick thing here though Captain I want to point out even though the ID Network
States very clearly that Dominic Casey worked for the defense during the trial first of all that's an very incorrect
statement okay Dominic Casey did work for the defense he at no time during the course of the trial worked for the
defense okay let's be very clear about that what took place the relationship between Jose bayz and Dominic Casey is
this Dominic Casey is a private investigator he is a he's a well-known private investigator he's been doing it
for many years well when this case came up he presented himself to Jose bayz and
he said you know what I would like to work on the defense team as an investigator he's offering to work for
Jose Bas now Jose Bas is telling do Casey at the time look first of all this defense does not have a lot of money M
we we can't afford a a private investigator of your level right so Dominic Casey says well I will do this
pro bono and work for the defense and he does so for a while not very long because at some point bayz and him are
not getting along and so bz decides to release Dominic Casey of working for the defense now what happens is Dominic
Casey he so badly wants to be involved in this case what does he do he then goes to Casey Anthony's parents George
and George and Cindy and says you know what I know you guys have an attorney and it's not Jose bayas they had their
own attorney uh Conway and he goes to them and says you should probably have your own private
investigators as well because Kaylee had not been found by this point and so he says I will work for George and Cindy
Anthony pro bono as your private investigator now how do we know that this is true other than Jose Bay saying
this well we know from the court transcripts remember when Cindy was called to testify and they wanted to
know if she in fact sent her private investigators to search the area where Kaye Anthony was found one month before
she was found and she disputed that well what private investigators were we talking about we were talking about
Dominic Casey which the court transcripts describe him as working for Cindy and George Anthony at that time this is
November before the body is found I don't know how long that he worked for bayz but he didn't work for
bayz Anytime close to the trial starting he didn't work for her or for him before
the body was found um so let's be clear about that it makes it it it sounds a little more it sounds a little more like
a legit claim when they state that he worked for the defense during the course of the tri right right and the other
claim that is kind of weird to me is he's saying that from the get-go we were never looking for a lot for Kaylee to be
alive we always just assumed that she was dead and we were looking for the dead body
meanwhile that's what we're looking for but we're telling everybody else that we're going to find her yeah I get that
and and I see what you're getting at because that presents itself as as the the defense knew in the beginning that
we to we are to be looking for not a missing girl but a dead girl and the problem I have with that Captain I I
don't I don't dispute that statement I believe I believe he was out there looking for a body not a missing person
and I think that maybe he might have even been sent out by the defense to do so but he's also a private investigator
he's going to conduct his own investigation within what the confines of what he's told to do by the defense
what I mean by that and the reason why I don't dispute it and I don't think this
is any should be anything negative towards the defense because Jose bayas says very early in this case when when
he took this thing on he said that immediately he thought you know what I'm going to defend this woman that is
involved in a missing child case that could very soon turn into a homicide case right he stated that from the
get-go and second of all he also said that early in the defense the first several weeks that he knew Casey Anthony
he could tell that she was not being honest with him because she didn't trust him and so he was not believing anything
that she said at the time so yes they might have been looking for a missing girl they were probably also looking for
for a body now the thing I want to throw in here though too is that Dominic Casey
also claims that he is the one that came up with the theory and presented it to Jose bayz that Kaylee drowned in the
family swimming pool mhm he says he came up with that theory why because he said
that he noticed from pictures of the Anthony home that the ladder was still up in the pool now I'll tell you what
I'm not going to credit Dominic Casey with the other statements because a lot of those other statements I don't
believe but I do believe that he probably found the picture with the ladder still up in the pool I do believe
maybe he presented that to Jose by as as a possible defense but here but here again don't
damn me for looking for a body when you're out there and at the same time saying well maybe she drowned in the
pool sounds to me like he's looking for a body as well furthermore before she was found this took place in November
those Dominic Casey was sent by the Anthony parents by Casey Anthony's parents to look for a body in the same
area where the body was found now the other thing here is we have a situation where this guy is a bit scorned right he
was not only released by Jose bayz but during the course of the Casey Anthony trial it's presented in trial that look
you have these so-called very competent private investigators out searching the very area where the body was found and
they couldn't find it you know so it kind of discredits the whole private investigator it kind of discredits him
in his profession and I think he felt a little burned by that I think that I think he might have had
some some thoughts on some things and decided to present them as possible things that he thought he heard or
thought that he saw um I I just I look where I have a problem with it is I don't see I just don't see this
happening you know what I mean I I feel like here here's here's where the breakdown begins you have this private
investigator and when he first comes out all these statements that they're making
initially oh well she paid for her defense team and sex it almost seems like this private investigator is a
champion for Kaye right that's what this is all about oh this guy's a good guy but then where maybe you don't believe
those statements that you know she was uh giv [ __ ] to pay for her defense if you don't believe those
statements then don't believe the next statements cuz the next statements were like guess what I'm the one that came up
with the defense that did such a good job to get this crazy psychopath off mhm and that is not Champion for Kaye at all
right so I think I I buy the statements I buy the the ones that champion for kayy and the ones that don't Champion
for Kaye and I buy what he's saying you know and I think the evidence of that is
you have to be pretty low of an individual you have to be a pretty shitty ass human being to get up there
and open statements say hey guess what you know where she learned to lie you know where she learned to lie from her
father molesting her the same father that raised your daughter the same father that housed you the same father
that fed you the same father that fed you plus your daughter plus every time that you didn't pay for a ticket who
paid for who who paid for your car that did everything for you and you throw this person on under the bus and I don't
know who came up with the idea but Bas had to say it he's the one that made the claims and other than the first initial
cross-examination of George Anthony they didn't bring this up because it was a bunch of
[ __ ] that that's my opinion but you have to be a pretty low human being to bring this up in trial and throw that in
the face of a guy that's dealing with the death of his granddaughter and I think so
that's the evidence that I have I can see that on tape you're making those claims I don't
like you and then this guy's making these claims just backing up that you might be a piece of [ __ ] I get what
you're saying you know that Bas he presents this information that that George is a sexual abuser of his
daughter possibly hinting around maybe even the granddaughter as well I get that that's you're stating that he is
saying some low down dirty stuff that he's not going to back up with any evidence that makes him a slime ball
therefore it's not too big of a leap to believe that he would that he would cross the line with
with Casey uh behind closed doors I I get what you're saying as far as the trial goes and as far as those
accusations go um my thoughts on that it's it's tough it's tough did he play dirty I think bayz absolutely played a
little dirty did he hit below the belt I think so um the issue you have there though is he
does have a duty to his client to look out for her best interest and no one else is and if she comes up with this
story and says you know what this is what happened and this is why it happened he does have to present that at
trial we'll get right back to this after this quick beer [Music] break all right we're back yeah we have a lot
of interesting theories to get to in this case now that the the smoke is cleared the verdict is in Casey Anthony
has disappeared off into the night and what we're left with is wondering what truly did happen here and recently we
have learned about some very important theories and those would be the parents of Casey Anthony Cindy and George mhm
now Cindy has a theory and I would say it's probably it doesn't sound to be spoton
definitely not spot on with what the defense would State and what the defense would claim but it's very similar in the
sense that case that Cindy Anthony believes that when when she left for work that day on June 16th that at some
point Kaylee drowned in the pool right and that Casey found found her in the pool and panicked and that Kaye was
beyond the point of of bringing her back of resuscitation right and that she being a young mother uh in a traumatic
situation she panicked and she handled it very poorly that she decided to hide the body for whatever reason and almost
kind of pretend like nothing happened and one of the key points that people have to understand is that she
eliminates George from the equation right um one of the things that we kind of talked about is it's odd to us uh I
think it's odd to you as well right um I got a mouse I don't know what you're saying yet so I can't agree I don't know
yet um it's odd that they're still together that because of what they went through it's not that it's odd but it's
kind of Against All Odds right that they're still together uh but she eliminates him from the equation and her
Theory right and you know what I tell tell you what I do want to throw something out in Cindy's defense I I I
got curious and I looked something up the other day and between the years of 1999 and 2010 nearly 14,000 Americans
age 19 and under drowned uh during those years right now during that time period
40% of those people were ages 1 to 4 years old and half of those people drown in pools so you're talking about like
200 kids you know this is where I get to to put on display my poor math for everybody as I'm trying to do it in my
head right now you're supposed to show your work so you know that you're right but we don't have time to do that so
approximately over 200 kids between the ages of 1 and four which Kaylee certainly would have fallen between
those ages drown in the the United States each year in a pool yeah um which is tragic of course of course and but it
but it kind of goes to the defense of Cindy's Theory and we nor normally recommend a bunch of different True
Crime docs I wasn't in love with the version of Discovery IDs but I thought there was a few valid interesting points
in that one being of the parents theories George's Theory I think is very interesting yes yes and and like we said
it's it's quite different from Cindy's and from the defenses Theory as well um George does not believe that Kaye
drowned in the pool um he basically states that he thinks that K that Casey might have been giving the little girl
something to U knock her out uh to you know Xanax any form of you know different forms of drugs to kind of put
her under from time to time yeah basically when they were talking to the DJ her boyfriend's roommates they kind
of discovered this whole thought of well one of the things that they were calling
Xanax was zany mhm and so when it became zany The Nanny like you just kind of put
two and two together so George believes that he's that Casey's been medicating uh Kaye to to put her out from time to
time and probably doing this for quite some time leading up to the little girl's death and that he believes that
she accidentally overdid it that day right and she panicked and had to get rid of the body and he says looking back
on it hindsight that there would be a lot of times that Kaylee would sleep you know sometimes 10 to 15 hours sometimes
and sometimes that she'd wake up and she'd be very groggy or that he saw dark you know rings around the eyes or dark
spots around the eyes uh that he he states that you wouldn't see or expect to see in a child of that age so why
would the two parents have such different theories is what I immediately ask myself and I think the only thing I
can come up with is that George he left the house that day after Cindy did he went to work after she did and he states
that he saw Casey and Kaye leave the home together around 12: 1250 that afternoon and that's why I think their
theories are so different that he knows in his heart that he saw the two of them
leave that day he left for work and then he never saw his granddaughter again and
I think that that that ultimately is the biggest difference well I maybe that and
I think the other thing that's a big difference is I think through the history of things he wasn't he was
getting tired of enabling Casey MH and I think I think especially when you throw
him under the bus and and your defense makes claims that you're sexually abused by your father I think at that point
it's just I'm done you know my granddaughter's done I don't want to live anymore and then on top of this I
have to go through all that I I'm just done with this I think he's he's more able to try to see the truth than than
Cindy is can I take it through my thoughts and my opinions on the case and yeah the whole world's waiting the whole
garage is waiting holding their breaths uh so don't hold back I'm going to I'm going to kind of go through my thoughts
on this case and what I believe to have happened and the trial itself kind of all at the same time but you know
starting off a little bit with the trial um when the verdict first came down I was as shocked as anyone um I ultimately
believed that she was guilty um and then you know I got to be full confession I only half paid attention to the trial at
the time of the trial it wasn't until we start started researching this case that
I really dove in deep and the thing is when I was half paying attention to it I believed her to be guilty from the time
they marched her into the courtroom until the time they left and then then when they made the accusations against
George I thought you couldn't you couldn't get any more low than than what had already
took place and now you're dragging the rest of your family down with you and so I was as shocked as anyone but when I
looked into this thing a lot more I was not shocked uh because of a few different things uh first off uh focus
groups now we know that in the OJ case that the defense team used a focus group m to kind of decide of what what people
with what backgrounds do we want on this jury what jurors do we think will will like OJ what jurors do we think will not
like law enforcement not like the prosecution and let's stack our jury with these people well in this case we
had in Casey Anthony's case we had a focus group we had Jose Bas and he worked with the 2020 or 48 hours or one
of those TV shows they approached him and they wanted to do a story on the case this was before it went to trial
and their thoughts was they wanted to get the general Public's reaction as to what they had heard so far about the
case and whether they thought that Casey Anthony was guilty or not right well when this all went down he was able to
sit behind mirrored glass and watch them interview these people and hear their responses to the different questions he
was able to pick up on what concerns did these people have and the smart thing that I think happened here was that the
TV Play the TV show whichever one it was decided to kind of gather up all these people from Orlando Florida well there
was there would be no City in the rest of the United States that already pegged her as more guilty than Orlando Florida
so he had this room full of people that believed her to be guilty and he could figure out what was important to them
what did they need to hear in the course of the trial to give a not- guilty verdict he learned that they didn't care
so much about forensic evidence that the the people that they interviewed were more concerned with what was the cause
of death and two the searches on the computer at the Anthony Holm right and I think he used that to his Advantage the
second thing here about the defense and the trial was that the defense had two secret weapons that the prosecution and
the public didn't even know that the defense had on their side MH and those two things were George and Cindy Anthony
because the jury and the public saw these two grandparents as victims and then when they put them on the stand and
they they pulled back the curtain then we saw that they weren't telling the truth about certain things as well so
now we have people that go from being victims to being Liars to being people that we cannot believe and we cannot
trust and that was a secret weapon for the defense something that the prosecution would have never have seen
coming the thing here is Cindy the the some of the the lies on the stand she's almost coming to the
defense of her daughter W yeah to save her daughter's life and there were some there's some weird weird things that I
found almost strange coincidences about some of those lies M and one of them being is when she talked about the
search on the family computer how she was the one that looked up chloroform but she did it on accident because she
was actually looking up chlorop fill right and it came up chloroform well why would she look why would she bother
looking up chlorophyll well she had this bamboo root growing in her backyard that
we that we needed to get rid of or or the dogs were eating bamboo leaves and we needed to get rid make sure that the
dogs weren't going to get sick from this and what was another lie that we saw that Casey did during this the course of
this whole missing thing she went and borrowed a shovel from the neighbor to remove a bamboo root from the backyard
to me that that made me wonder was that Cindy's way of kind of wink wink nod nod
tip of the cap to her daughter who's watching her testify stating you know what I'm going to get your back I'm
going to lie for you and and almost queuing her to cue the defense team say don't worry my mom's got this you don't
have to you don't have to worry about this part of the trial she's she's covered this base well but we also know
that they had several conversations with each other MH bz and Cindy so what what
conversations took place and when the death penalty is on the table I'm not going to put it past any parent to lie
and like I said I physically get ill um from from saying a lie I don't know if if you know one of my
step boys you know were on trial for I don't know what I'd do mhm well the the other thing here captain that worked
very well for the for the defense and I think really threw the jurors off on what was going on at the trial was
George Anthony's reaction to the allegations of sexual abuse against his daughter the thing here is the situation
is this and the jurors would not have known this in advance but George and Cindy knew
in advance that Jose bayz was going to throw George under the bus and then back the bus up and run him over again right
they knew that and they were told you know what you're going to be in court that day when it happens and you need to
stay calm you need to stay stoic you just need to you just need to sit there and be and let it trickle Off Of You
Like Rain Man and what I think what I think the jury saw was that no reaction from George because most people would
have would if if those were allegations against me and I was sitting in trial I would have I would have jumped out of my
chair man you would have had to pull me and peel me off of the roof off of the ceiling I would have been the ceiling is
the roof the ceil I I would have been I would have been livid I would have been Liv and he wasn't and but he was
instructed not to be so right right and the jury didn't know that and and this is where I have a problem with some of
our court proceedings you know we state that if you are a witness you are not to
be in the audience of the trial mhm but because they were the grandparents they were Grant they were granted the
privilege of being in that courtroom I think what happened was that affected Justice for their granddaughter now had
you had you given them the opportunity to not be there I don't think they I I think they would have insisted on being
there right absolutely do right but they you know their lies and and the stuff that the lies that they told on
the stand and the lies they told to so many people affected Justice well and I think that they would have stayed given
the you know if they were given the choice which they were but I don't think the choice should have been there first
of all I think they should not have been in the courtroom but given the choice I
think they would have stayed no matter what because it came off to me and and it's probably this way for most people I
don't know I can't speak for everybody but what I saw was parents that wanted the truth as long as it didn't give
their daughter the death penalty right and again we discussed it uh I don't think that the state should have sought
the death penalty I think we might have seen an ultimately a different outcome just if we wouldn't have sought the
death penalty in this case well yeah we we all hope the troll dies and burns and hell
but um it probably wasn't the smartest move now as far as what happened on that day um I I think and I
believe that and this is probably worse than what most people believe I I believe it was I actually believe it was
a planned murder I I think that Casey thought about taking kayle's life for months and at least days or even weeks
before March the month of March when she searched for Chloroform on that computer
right uh Kaylee died June 16th almost 3 months after the search on the family computer when she couldn't wait any
longer to free herself of the burden of her daughter and the burden of her own parents that she chose to live with then
long after she searched for Chloroform on the family computer well she then searched Googled foolproof Suffocation
on the family computer because Casey knew if she tried and attempted but failed Not only would the little girl
live but she would tell her grandparents what her mother had done and not only that but Casey would have had to look
Kaylee in the eyes knowing what she had done so she couldn't screw it up okay and just like she worked so hard for 2
years to maintain a lie and hide from her parents and hide from everyone else the fact that she did not have a job she
studied long and thought hard how to kill that little girl and so she took the chloroform and knocked Kaye out then
she took the duct tape and placed it over kayle's mouth and nose and the chloroform served two purposes one the
little girl didn't have to struggle as she suffocated and died died and two because Casey is such a selfish person
this is probably the main reason for the chloroform so that Casey would not have
to struggle with Kaye when she was putting the duct tape on her and so Casey wouldn't have to hear or see her
daughter struggling as she dies so that Casey could put the tape on her face and
go into the other room as Kaye dies and while she was waiting Casey checks her Facebook and her Myspace accounts and
while she's logged in she changed both of her passwords to timer 55 because I believe timer 55 was a real thing a very
real thing but it wasn't something that involved a fake nanny or a kidnapping of
Kaylee no timer 55 was a countdown the countdown from the 55 days from the day she killed Kaylee to the day that she
knew that she could no longer hide the missing dead baby from her grandparents because they would be it would be the
baby's third birthday and the grandparents would demand to see Kaylee and so Casey now a free woman free from
her daughter which she considered to be a ball and chain and free from the watch
and the rule of her parents she had 55 Days to Live It Up wow it's uh it's getting hot in the hot tub uh so you
think it's just because that Kaye was a burden Oh you mean the why well I think the why is a lot harder than the how in
this case um I think the burden was part of it I also obviously think that she didn't want to be with her parents
anymore and I think she thought that Kaye was some kind of anchor keeping her to her parents um which the sad thing
here is I really believe if she wanted to tap out that her parents would have taken that baby for her and she could
have she could have left i' firmly believe that that would have been the case uh I think for me definitely the
how is a and why is two different things um OB part of me also wonders if you know it seems like there was a lot of a
lot of butting heads a lot of battling between Cindy and Casey part of me wonders if she wanted to punish Cindy in
in some way as well for me I think the why that there's so many reasons that she thought that she should do this and
second of all um I don't think she's clinically crazy I think she's criminally crazy and I think trying to
rationale with with crazy is not nothing that we can do there's we we can't come
up with the reasons why she would do this yeah well I think she's a sociopath mhm probably and I think the I actually
think the Y is pretty easy um I don't think she ever wanted a kid I think she felt pressured
to do so she I think when people you know she came up with the LIE well this guy was
the father and then he died several years later and I think I don't know if she was always a liar I think she developed
into this and I think the more and more she had to be faced with reality that she was just a loser and she was just
trying to get guys attentions or whatever and I was drunk at a party and I really don't know who the father is so
therefore I do not want to keep the baby and then I'm going to make up this fictitious story about this guy is the
father but he died we know that's a lie mhm and then you get in engaged to a guy that you
said was the father and yet you cut off that engagement and the reason why was because she claimed that you love my
daughter more than you love me mhm and then we see it again with the parents the parents love the
granddaughter more than they loved you then we see it again with a new boyfriend you start bringing around your
daughter in the beginning and the roommate claims and other people claimed everybody liked Kaye everybody
thought she was so smart but then all of a sudden she's not coming around anymore
and I think the guy that she was seeing was probably giving the daughter some attention like a normal human
would and she couldn't deal with that she she needed the attention and this individual that she made her daughter
always stole that linelight from her MH because at the end of the day Casey was and will always be a piece of [ __ ]
loser and I think that was the main motivation was you know you know everybody cares about this
person more than me and I think there's more evidence of that in the the tapes hours and hours of the prison footage
where she's saying but what about me what about me right and I think part of Casey wanted to
say I killed her and she's gone let's make this about me and I I'm I believe in your theory uh
the what George Anthony says I I buy most of it and I believe that she one of my big frustrating questions was before
the actual murder when you're drugging I don't think this was the first time she ever
drugged her with something but I believe that zany The Nanny was giving your daughter drugs to make her sleep and I
think sometimes she was sleeping at the grandparents house and I think sometimes
that poor little girl was sleeping in the back of a car maybe even the trunk of a car
and I so that search that day of strangulation there's no doubt in my mind that it was not an accident it
wasn't I just gave her too much and she died mhm you know George saw her that night I
think she she said look I'm not going to keep doing this I'm not going to keep drugging her I'm just going to get rid
of her to together as a problem so I think me and your um theories are pretty similar on this one m I like your
thoughts on that that that that at one time in Casey Anthony's life she was the nucleus of her world and then when
Kaylee came along well there was a new centerpiece of the world and it wasn't her anymore and it was the centerpiece
of her world and everyone that existed within Casey's world right and she couldn't handle that right and the where
we differ is on the why she got off MH and I believe what the prosecution says somebody that
was close to this case knew the evidence all this evidence was out in the Public's eyes MH and I think they had a
bunch of individuals the only individuals that they could get on this case on this trial were individuals that
were indecisive going in right for to fill the jury pool right which makes a lot of sense cuz you have to it has to
be fair but if but when all the information is is pretty much out there in the open and you're going in in
indecisive just hearing the same story with maybe a few extra details added in here or there is not going to change
your mind I think they went in indecisive and they left indecisive M and I think these little tiny things of
them going well we didn't know where the murder took place or you couldn't tell me exactly what happened you know
know she's lucky that Kaye wasn't found sooner because I think a couple key pieces of forensic evidence would have
you know put her in the electric chair oh yeah 100% and the worst thing about all this is that this little girl
doesn't get to grow up Kaye doesn't get to grow up and become something and contribute to the world um you know cuz
you can't pick your parents mhm and it's sad and I feel for the the Anthony Family everybody that was involved I
know sometimes it makes it seem like we're throwing certain people under the bus but I feel for them overall and uh
you know then but then Casey comes out U recently and says well here I'm going to
do an interview and I'm actually going to tell you I don't know what happened I'm not
even going to come up with another lie because everything I come up with it's not the
truth and then the troll wants to say oh by the way I sleep fine at night well that's because you're a social path and
just because a handful of people that were indecisive and couldn't make up their mind said that you're not guilty I
think in the Public's eyes the public got it right yes and we would all sleep better at night if we would have gotten
a guilty verdict and all I can say is I can't I can't stand this troll no more troll trial is over thank God how about
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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Casey Anthony trial verdict and parental theories on Kaylee's death.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Join Nick and the captain for a night of true crime discussion!
Casey Anthony Verdict. The jury acquits Casey Anthony of murder charges but convicts her of misdemeanors.
Casey Anthony Sentencing. Judge sentences Casey Anthony to jail for providing false information.
FBI Paternity Test Results. FBI tests reveal neither George nor Lee is Kaylee's father.
The Investigation Begins. He’s going to conduct his own investigation within the confines of the defense.

Episode highlights

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The jury finds the defendant not guilty!

Court verdict announcement

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