Casey Anthony /// Part 4 /// 104 | Forensic Files

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foreign [Music] along with Council for the defendant both sides ready to proceed has been
brought to my attention that the jury has reached the verdict State the state's ready to proceed wrong defense
defense is ready to those in the gallery please do not express any signs of approval or disapproval upon the reading
of the verdict let's return the jury state recognize the president of the jury and does the defense yes sir we do
good afternoon ladies and gentlemen the jury have you reached the verdict would you hand the verdict form to the
court Deputy please will the defendant rides along with Council Madam clerk you may publish the verdicts
Court for the 9th judicial circuit and in for Orange County Florida State of Florida
versus Casey Marie Anthony as to case number 2008 cf-15606-0 as to the charge of first-degree murder
verdict s to count one we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated at Orlando Orange County Florida
on this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated child
abuse verdict does to count two near the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all did it at Orlando Orange
County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated
manslaughter of a child verdict is to count three we the jury fund the defendant not guilty so say we all dated
at Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 sign for person as to the charge of providing false
information to a law enforcement officer verged as to count four we the jury find the defendant guilty of
providing false information to a law enforcement officer is charged in the indictment
so say we all dated Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person
that's to the charge of providing false information to law enforcement officer verdictus to count five
we the jury fund the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the
indictment so say we all dated Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July
2011 sign for person as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer
verdictus to count six we the jury from the defendant not give I'm sorry we the jury find the defendant
guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officers charged in the indictment so say we all dated
Orlando Orange County Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person as to the charge of providing false
information to a law enforcement officer verdictus to count seven we the jury fund and defendant guilty of providing
false information to a law enforcement officers charged in the indictment so say we all dated Orlando Orange County
Florida this fifth day of July 2011 signed for person Madam Clark you may call a jury
[Music] July 5th 2011 only after 10 hours and 40 minutes of deliberation the jury acquits
Casey Anthony a first degree murder aggravated manslaughter and aggravated child abuse but convicts her of all four
misdemeanor charges of giving false information to law enforcement officers so the jury didn't hold Casey Anthony
responsible for Kaylee's death at all in any manner two days later Judge Perry sentences Casey Anthony to one year in
county jail and one thousand dollars in fines for each of the four misdemeanor counts of providing false information to
Law Enforcement Officers the judge orders all sentences to run consecutive to each other with credit for time
served based on three years credit for time served plus additional credit for good behavior her release date is set
for July 17 2011. now Judge Perry announces that he will not release the jurors names for at
least seven days saying that some people have disagreed with their verdict and would like to take something out on them
like maybe like a sharp kick to the crotch well we would learn later that several of the jurors would say that
they had received death threats after the trial took place all August 10 2011 the Florida Department of Child and
Family Services releases a report concluding that Casey Anthony failed to protect Kaylee and that Casey's actions
or lack of actions resulted in the death of the child so I mean yeah but what does that matter it's after the fact it
actually really legally it doesn't matter at all has very little legal relevance well the FBI did a pretty
interesting test you were talking about yeah and this was something that we failed to get to yesterday there was so
much jam-packed in that show we went through so much information that this kind of just got swept under well not
swept under the rug lost in the shuffle we should say but there was an interesting test the FBI conducted and
this was a paternity test and they tested George and Lee Casey's father and brother and the thing here is the first
thought that the FBI had was that if she was in fact sexually abused by either of
these people that one of them could have been the father so they do the paternity test there was
some more thought going into this than just that though and I found this to be pretty interesting regarding Lee her
brother the suspicion was that the name Kaylee was a combination of Casey and Lee that she knew that her brother was
the father and that she was you know naming the child after the both of them well that'd be really sick yes in in
both of those tests that were negative George is not the father Lee is not the father of Kaylee uh We've we've heard
who Casey says is the is the father a reminder she says that it was a either a man that had been killed in a vehicle
accident so we can't confirm if he's the actual father the other thing that she had stated to her lawyers into her
defense team and I believe her family as well is that at a a party that she may have gotten drunk and the child was
concerned received that night right now I think there's a few different versions
of that story depending on who she's talking to Casey's stories are better known as the troll Tales well in one of
those versions at least one of those is that she was at this party and somebody may have put something in her drink and
had sex with her against her will yeah and that's how the child was conceived right or the guy had to put something in
his drink just to get through the process the old one for you too for me on July 13 2011 Texas equisearch which
assisted in the search for Kaylee sues Casey Anthony for the cost of the search and I will cycle back to this in a
little bit because there's quite a bit more story there but following our timeline on July 17 2011 Casey Anthony
is released from jail at 12 10 a.m and she doesn't initially go home to her parents house she never goes back there
she can't after the the allegations that she threw out at trial right and and then the hurt I I look I I think she
knew based on what her mom and dad were saying that they felt that there was some guilt there and she just didn't
want to deal with them anymore so it's now I'm out of jail to start a new life and she goes to live with a defense
attorney she's there for a little bit and then she goes to this kindly Church Retreat woman's thing and she gets all
religious but it's because all that stuff is because she's broke right right and she's she's about to get more broke
because judge Belvin Perry rules that Casey Anthony must pay for the cost of the sheriff's search for Kaylee Anthony
yeah well I mean when you say oh my daughter's been missing for 31 days and people start searching for your daughter
uh you were lying right right well yeah you come out at trial and say well she wasn't missing and she sued by the uh
well not sued but she's ruled that she has to pay the sheriff's department over two hundred thousand dollars now we talk
talked about her being sued by Texas equisearch and I'm not sure that we have discussed Texas equiseearch before on
this show yeah we talked about him I I thought so we we may have because they're they specialize in searching for
missing persons sometimes organizing the searches sometimes assisting but always
working with law enforcement and they have done a lot of really good work over the years thankfully locating many of
the adults and children that they have been looking for over the years and finding a lot of them alive a big we
like your jib to all those volunteers Tim Miller is equiseurch's director and founder and he founded the search and
rescue organization in 2000 this was after the abduction and murder of his daughter Laura Laura is one of the
victims in the three decades old Texas Killing Fields murders Texas equiseearch moved into the area to assist for the
search of Kaylee Anthony this was November 8th and November 9th of 2008 just a little over a month before her
body was found right and this is an expensive operation to come in there and look for somebody and now that we get to
trial and she states well the girl was never missing I just let all these people spend all this money looking for
her anyway uh he wants and his company wants some of that money back and rightfully so yeah [ __ ] better have my
money pay me what you want me now Casey would also be sued by Zenaida Gonzalez remember she there is a real person out
there named Zenaida Gonzalez and she lives in Florida she doesn't know anything about Casey Anthony or Kaylee
Anthony she never babysat maybe even a day in her life who knows right but because this name was smeared all over
the news by Casey stating that zany The Nanny took her daughter well she's going
to come after her in court as well and sue her for defamation now this case ends up just being kind of thrown out
and doesn't really go anywhere but Casey's still going to have to face the judge's ruling of paying the sheriff's
department for this searches as well as the lawsuit by Texas equisearch and this
is going to lead Casey Anthony into bankruptcy she's going to file for bankruptcy and she won't have to pay
either of them back right but during the bankruptcy trial that we're going to have a bunch of depositions that come up
that some red flags and really she's kind of out of the Limelight at this point but this is a case that I think
the media keeps going back to and trying to dig up more stuff it's kind of very similar to me like JonBenet Ramsey right
always going back to always trying to dig up some little other nugget well and of course they've got they being the
media has to flock to this bankruptcy hearing because well there's players that were involved in the investigation
and they want to hear what maybe what nuggets might fall out of those trees that didn't fall out during the original
trial now that the uh the smoke is cleared let's say and one of those individuals is a man by the name of
Dominic Casey now he according to ID and I mean ID the the channel the the TV channel
um they they were their words are that he worked for the defense team during the trial and during the course of this
uh he basically stated what that Casey was paying Jose Baez for her defense with
sexual favors the troll tax there was supposed to be a TV appearance yeah a press conference
and she didn't want to go she didn't want to do it so last minute and she was going to get paid for it now the reason
why it was set up by Baez was because she needed to pay for his services so I'll set this thing up we're gonna get a
little bit of money for it that goes towards your payment of what you owe me well and your defense too because you're
gonna have to bring in experts that you will have to pay for their time in their
expert opinions yeah but the overall service of what Baez is bringing you so when he sets that up for you and he
cancel then that's one makes him look bad I think it kind of makes you look bad and
then there's no money coming in so this this uh private investigators claimed that bias said to her over the phone
well now you owe me three blow jobs now to me the devil's always in the detail if he does stated you owe me
[ __ ] or you owe me whatever it it doesn't hold as much weight as when somebody says you owe me three blow
jobs that's a very more detailed statement the other claims that he made makes that is when he went to their
offices that he saw Casey running out of bias's office naked yeah he also claims
that he spoke to Casey about this and she stated to him that well she was broke and she had to pay him for the
defense somehow um here's here's a quick thing here though Captain I want to point out even
though the ID Network States very clearly that Dominic Casey worked for the defense during the trial first of
all that's a very incorrect statement okay Dominic Casey did work for the defense he at no time during the course
of the trial worked for the defense okay let's be very clear about that what took
place the relationship between Jose Baez and Dominic Casey is this Dominic Casey
is a private investigator he is he's a well-known private investigator he's been doing it for many years well when
this case came up he presented himself to Jose Baez and he said you know what I would like to work on the defense team
as an investigator he's offering to work for Jose Baez now Jose Baez is telling Dominic Casey at the time look first of
all this defense does not have a lot of money we we can't afford a private investigator of your level right area so
Dominic Casey says well I will do this pro bono and work for the defense and he does so for a while not very long
because at some point Baez and him are not getting along and so Baez decides to release Dominic Casey of working for the
defense now what happens is Dominic Casey he so badly wants to be involved in this case what does he do he then
goes to Casey Anthony's parents George and George and Cindy and says you know what I know you guys have an attorney
and it's not Jose Baez they had their own attorney Conway and he goes to them and says you should
probably have your own private investigators as well because Kaylee had not been found by this point
and so he says I will work for George and Cindy Anthony pro bono as your private investigator now how do we know
that this is true other than Jose Baez saying this well we know from the court transcripts remember when Cindy was
called to testify and they wanted to know if she in fact sent her private investigators to search the area where
Kaylee Anthony was found one month before she was found and she disputed that well what private investigators
were we talking about we were talking about Dominic Casey which the court transcripts describe him as working for
Cindy and George Anthony at that time this is November before the body is found I don't know how long that he
worked for Baez but he didn't work for Baez anytime close to the trial starting he
didn't work for her or for him before the body was found so let's be clear about that it makes it it sounds a
little more it sounds a little more like a legit claim when they state that he worked for the defense during the course
right right and the other claim that is kind of weird to me is he's saying that from the get-go we were never looking
for a lot for Kaylee to be alive we always just assumed that she was dead and we were looking for the dead body
meanwhile that's what we're looking for but we're telling everybody else that we're going
to find her yeah I get that and and I see what you're getting at because that presents itself as as the defense knew
in the beginning that we took we are to be looking for not a missing girl but a dead girl and the problem I have with
that Captain I I don't I don't dispute that statement I believe I believe he was out there looking for a body not a
missing person and I think that maybe he might have even been sent out by the defense to do so but he's also a private
investigator he's going to conduct his own investigation within what the confines of what he's told to do by the
defense what I mean by that and the reason why I don't dispute it and I don't think this is any should be
anything negative towards the defense because Jose Baez says very early in this case when when he took this thing
on he said that immediately he thought you know what I'm going to defend this woman that is involved in a missing
child case that could very soon turn into a a homicide case right he stated that from the get-go and second of all
he also said that early in the defense the first several weeks that he knew Casey Anthony he could tell that she was
not being honest with him because she didn't trust him and so he was not believing anything that she said at the
time so yes they might have been looking for a missing girl they were probably also looking for for a body now the
thing I want to throw in here though too is that Dominic Casey also claims that he is the one that came up with the
theory and presented it to Jose Baez that Kaylee drowned in the family swimming pool
he says he came up with that theory why because he said that he noticed from pictures of the Anthony Holm that the
latter was still up in the pool now I'll tell you what I'm not going to credit Dominic Casey
with the other statements because a lot of those other statements I don't believe but I do believe that he
probably found the picture with the ladder still up in the pool I do believe maybe he presented that to Jose Baez as
a possible defense but here but here again don't damn me for looking for a body when you're out
there and at the same time saying well maybe she drowned in the pool sounds to me like he's looking for a body as well
furthermore before she was found this took place in November though Dominic Casey was sent by the Anthony parents by
Casey Anthony's parents to look for a body in the same area where the body was found now the other thing here is we
have a situation where this guy is a bit scorned right he was not only released by Jose Baez but during the course of
the Casey Anthony trial it's presented in trial that look you have these so-called very competent private
investigators out searching the very area where the body was found and they couldn't find it you know so it kind of
discredits the whole private investigator kind of discredits him in his profession and I think he
felt a little burned by that I think that I think he might have had some some thoughts on some things and decided
to present them as possible things that he thought he heard or thought that he saw
um I I just I look where I have a problem with it is I don't see I just don't see this happening you know
what I mean I I feel like here's here's where the breakdown begins you have this
private investigator and when he first comes out all these statements that they're making initially oh well she
paid for her defense team and sex it almost seems like this private investigator is a champion for Kaylee
right that's what this is all about oh this guy's a good guy but then where maybe you don't believe those statements
that you know she was uh giving blow jobs to pay for her defense if you don't believe those statements
then don't believe the next statements because the next statements were like guess what I'm the one that came up with
the defense that did such a good job to get this crazy psychopath off and that is not Champion for Kaylee at all right
so I think I I buy the statements I buy the the ones that champion for Kaylee and the
ones that don't Champion for Kaylee and I buy what he's saying you know and I think the evidence of that is you have
to be pretty low of an individual you have to be a pretty shitty ass human being to get up there an opening
statements say hey guess what you know where she learned to lie you know where she learned to lie from
her father molesting her the same father that raised your daughter the same father that housed you the same father
that fed you the same father that fed you plus your daughter plus every time that you didn't pay for a ticket who
paid it for who who paid for your car that did everything for you and you throw this
person under the bus and I don't know who came up with the idea but bias had to say it he's the one
that made the claims and other than though first initial cross-examination of George Anthony they didn't bring this
up because it was a bunch of [ __ ] that that's my opinion but you have to be a pretty low human being to bring
this up and trial and throw that in the face of a guy that's dealing with the death of his granddaughter and I think
so that's the evidence that I have I can see that on tape you're making those claims
I don't like you and then this guy's making these claims just backing up that you might be a
piece of [ __ ] I get what you're saying you know that Baez he presents this information that that George is a sexual
abuser of his daughter possibly hinting around maybe even the granddaughter as well I get that that's you're stating
that he is saying some low down dirty stuff that he's not going to back up with any evidence that makes him a slime
ball therefore it's not too big of a leap to believe that he would that he would cross the line with with
Casey uh behind closed doors I I get what you're saying as far as the trial goes and as far as those accusations go
um my thoughts on that it's it's tough it's tough did he play dirty I think baya's absolutely played a little dirty
did he hit below the belt I think so um the issue you have there though is he does have a duty to his client to look
out for her best interest and no one else is and if she comes up with this story and says you know what this is
what happened and this is why it happened he does have to present that at trial we'll get right back to this after
this quick beer break [Music] all right we're back yeah we have a lot of interesting
theories to get to in this case now that the the smoke is clear the verdict is in
Casey Anthony has disappeared off into the night and what we're left with is wondering what truly did happen here and
recently we have learned about some very important theories and those would be the parents of Casey Anthony Cindy and
George now Cindy has a theory and I would say it's probably it doesn't sound to be spot on
definitely not spot on with what the defense would State and what the defense would claim but it's very similar in the
sense that case that Cindy Anthony believes that when she left for work that day on June 16th that at some point
Kaylee drowned in the pool right and that Casey found her in the pool and panicked and that Kaylee was beyond the
point of of bringing her back of resuscitation right and that she being a young mother uh in a traumatic situation
she panicked and she handled it very poorly that she decided to hide the body for whatever reason and
almost kind of pretend like nothing happened and one of the key points that people have to understand is that she
eliminates George from the equation right one of the things that we kind of talked about is it's odd to us uh I
think it's odd to you as well right um I got a mouse I don't know what you're saying yet so I can't agree I
don't know yet um it's odd that they're still together that because of what they
went through it's not that it's odd but it's kind of Against All Odds right that they're
still together uh but she eliminates him from the equation and her Theory right and you know what I tell you what I do
want to throw something out in Cindy's defense I I got curious and I looked something up the other day and between
the years of 1999 and 2010 nearly 14 000 Americans age 19 and under drown uh during those years right now during that
time period 40 of those people were ages one to four years old and half of those
people drowned in pools so you're talking about like 200 kids you know this is where I get to to put on display
my poor math for everybody as I'm trying to do it in my head right now you're supposed to show your work so you know
that you're right but we don't have time to do that so approximately over 200 kids between the ages of one and four
which Kaylee certainly would have fallen between those ages drowned in the the United States each year in a pool yeah
um which is tragic of course of course and but it but it kind of goes to the defense of Cindy's Theory and we
normally recommend a bunch of different True Crime docs I wasn't in love with the version of Discovery IDs but I
thought there was a few valid interesting points in that one being of the parents theories George's Theory I
think is very interesting yes yes and and like we said it's it's quite different from Cindy's and from the
defenses Theory as well um George does not believe that Kaylee drowned in the pool
um he basically states that he thinks that Kate that Casey might have been giving the little girl something to
knock her out uh to you know Xanax any form of you know different forms of drugs to kind of put her under from time
to time yeah basically when they were talking to the DJ her boyfriend's roommates they kind of discovered this
whole thought of well one of the things that they were calling Xanax was zany and so when it became zany The Nanny
like you just kind of put two and two together so George believes that he's that Casey's been medicating uh Kaylee
to to put her out from time to time and probably doing this for quite some time leading up to the little girl's death
and that he believes that she accidentally overdid it that day right and she panicked and had to get rid of
the body and he says looking back on a hindsight that there would be a lot of times that Kaylee would sleep you know
sometimes 10 to 15 hours sometimes and sometimes that she'd wake up and she'd be very groggy or that he saw dark you
know rings around the eyes or dark spots around the eyes uh that he he states that you wouldn't see or expect to see
in a child of that age so why would the two parents have such different theories
is what I immediately ask myself and I think the only thing I can come up with is that George he left the house that
day after Cindy did he went to work after she did and he states that he saw Casey and Kaylee leave the home together
around 12 12 50 that afternoon and that's why I think their theories are so different that he knows in his heart
that he saw the two of them leave that day he left for work and then he never saw his granddaughter again and I think
that that that ultimately is the biggest difference well I maybe that and I think
the other thing that's a big difference is I think through the history of things
he wasn't he was getting tired of enabling Casey and I think I think especially when you throw him
under the bus and your defense makes claims that you're sexually abused by your father I think at that point it's
just I'm done you know my granddaughter's done I don't want to live anymore and then on top of this I
have to go through all that I'm just done with this I think he's he's more able to try to see the truth
that than than Cindy is can I take it through my thoughts and my opinions on the case and yeah the whole world's
waiting the whole garage is waiting holding their breaths uh so don't hold back I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of go
through my thoughts on this case and what I believe to have happened and the trial itself kind of all at the same
time but you know starting off a little bit with the trial when the verdict first came down I was as shocked as
anyone um I ultimately believed that she was guilty um and then you know I got to be full
confession I only half paid attention to the trial at the time of the trial right
it wasn't until we start started researching this case that I really dove in deep and the thing is when I was half
paying attention to it I believed her to be guilty from the time they marched her
into the courtroom until the time they left and then then when they made the accusations against
George I thought you couldn't you couldn't get any more low than than what it already took place
and now you're dragging the rest of your family down with you and so I was as shocked as anyone but
when I looked into this thing a lot more I was not shocked uh because of a few different things first off uh focus
groups now we know that in the OJ case that the defense team used a focus group to kind of decide of what what people
with what backgrounds do we want on this jury what jurors do we think will will like OJ what jurors do we think will not
like law enforcement not like the prosecution and let's stack our jury with these people well in this case we
had in Casey Anthony's case we had a focus group we had Jose Baez and he worked with the 2020 or 48 hours or one
of those TV shows they approached him and they wanted to do a story on the case this was before it went to trial
and their thoughts was they wanted to get the general Public's reaction as to what they had heard so so far about the
case and whether they thought that Casey Anthony was guilty or not right well when this all went down he was able to
sit behind mirrored glass and watch them interview these people and hear their responses to the different questions he
was able to pick up on what concerns did these people have and the smart thing that I think happened
here was that the TV Play the TV show whichever one it was decided to kind of gather up all these people from Orlando
Florida well there was there would be no City in the rest of the United States that already pegged her as more guilty
than Orlando Florida so he had this room full of people that believed her to be guilty and he could figure out what was
important to them what did they need to hear in the course of the trial to give a not guilty verdict he learned that
they didn't care so much about forensic evidence that the the people that they interviewed were more concerned with
what was the cause of death and two the searches on the computer at the Anthony home right and I think he used that to
his Advantage the second thing here about the defense in the trial was that the defense had
two secret weapons that the prosecution and the public didn't even know that the
defense had on their side and those two things were George and Cindy Anthony because the jury and the public saw
these two grandparents as victims and then when they put them on the stand and they they pulled back the curtain then
we saw that they weren't telling the truth about certain things as well so now we have people that go from being
victims to being Liars to being people that we cannot believe and we cannot trust and that was a secret weapon for
the defense something that the prosecution would have never seen coming the thing here is Cindy the the some of
the the lies on the stand she's almost coming to the defense of her daughter well yeah to save her daughter's life
and there were some there's some weird weird things that I found almost strange coincidences about some of those lies
and one of them being is when she talked about the search on the family computer
how she was the one that looked up chloroform but she did it on accident because she was actually looking up
chlorophyll right and it came up chloroform well why was she look why would she bother looking up chlorophyll
well she had this bamboo root growing in her backyard that we that we needed to get rid of or the dogs were eating
bamboo leaves and we needed to get make sure that the dogs weren't going to get sick from this
and what was another lie that we saw that Casey did during this the course of this whole missing thing she went and
borrowed a shovel from the neighbor to remove a bamboo root from the backyard right to me that that made me wonder was
that Cindy's way of kind of wink wink nod nod tip of the cap to her daughter who's watching her testify stating you
know what I'm going to get your back I'm going to lie for you and and almost cueing her to cue the defense team say
don't worry my mom's got this you don't have to you don't have to worry about this part of the trial right she's she's
covered this base well but we also know that they had several conversations with
each other but Baez and Cindy so what what conversations took place and when the death penalty is on the
table I'm not going to put it past any parent to lie and like I said I physically get ill
um from from saying a lie I don't know if if you know one of my step boys you know were on trial for I don't know what
I'd do well the the other thing here captain that worked very well for the for the defense and I think really
through the jurors off on what was going on at the trial was George Anthony's reaction to the allegations of sexual
abuse against his daughter the thing here is the situation is this and the jurors would not have known this in
advance but George and Cindy knew in advance that Jose Baez was going to throw George under the bus and then back
the bus up and run him over again right they knew that and they were told you know what you're going to be in court
that day when it happens and you need to stay calm you need to stay stoic you just need to you just need to sit there
and be and let it trickle Off Of You Like Rain Man and what I think what I think the jury
saw was that no reaction from George because most people would have would if if those
were allegations against me and I was sitting in trial I would have I would have jumped out of my chair man you
would have had to pull me and peel me off of the roof off of the ceiling I would have been the ceiling is the roof
I would have been I would have been livid I would have been live and he wasn't and but he was instructed not to
be so right and the jury didn't know that and and this is where I have a problem with some of our court
proceedings you know we state that if you are a witness you are not to be in the audience of the trial but because
they were the grandparents they were Grant they were granted the privilege of being in that courtroom I think what
happened was that affected Justice for their granddaughter now well have you had you
given them the opportunity to not be there I don't think they I think they would have insisted on being there right
I absolutely do right but they uh you know their lies and and the stuff that the lies that they told on the
stand and the lies they told to so many people affected Justice well and I think
that they would have stayed given that you know if they were given the choice which they were but I don't think the
choice should have been there first of all I think they should not have been in the courtroom but given the choice I
think they would have stayed no matter what because it came off to me and and it's probably this way for most people I
don't know I can't speak for everybody but what I saw was parents that wanted the truth as
long as it didn't give their daughter the death penalty right and again we discussed it uh I don't think that the
state should have sought the death penalty I think we might have seen an ultimately a different outcome just if
we wouldn't have sought the death penalty in this case well yeah we we all hope the troll dies and burns in
hell but um it probably wasn't the smartest move now as far as what happened on that day
um I I think and I believe that and this is probably worse than what most people believe
I believe I believe it was I actually believe it was a planned murder I I think that Casey thought about taking
Kaylee's life for months and at least days or even weeks before March the month of March when she searched for
Chloroform on that computer right uh Kaylee died June 16th almost three months after the search on the family
computer when she couldn't wait any longer to free herself of the burden of her daughter and the burden of her own
parents that she chose to live with then long after she searched for Chloroform on the family computer well she then
searched Googled Fool Proof Suffocation on the family computer because Casey knew if she tried and attempted but
failed Not only would the little girl live but she would tell her grandparents what her mother had done and not only
that but Casey would have had to look Kaylee in the eyes knowing what she had done so she couldn't screw it up okay
and just like she worked so hard for two years to maintain a lie and hide from her parents and hide from everyone else
the fact that she did not have a job she studied long and thought hard how to kill that little girl and so she took
the chloroform and knocked Kaylee out then she took the duct tape and placed it over Kaylee's mouth and nose and the
chloroform served two purposes one the little girl didn't have to struggle as she suffocated and died and two because
Casey is such a selfish person this is probably the main reason for the chloroform so that Casey would not have
to struggle with Kaylee when she was putting the duct tape on her and so Casey wouldn't have to hear or see her
daughter struggling as she dies so that Casey could put the tape on her face and
go into the other room as Kaylee dies and while she was waiting Casey checks her Facebook and her Myspace accounts
and while she's logged in she changed both of her passwords to timer 55 because I believe timer 55 was a real
thing a very real thing but it wasn't something that involved a fake nanny or a kidnapping of Kaylee no timer 55 was a
countdown the countdown from the 55 days from the day she killed Kaylee to the day that she knew that she could no
longer hide the missing dead baby from her grandparents because they would be it would be the baby's third birthday
and the grandparents would demand to see Kaylee and so Casey now a free woman free from her daughter which she
considered to be a ball and chain and free from the watch and the rule of her parents she had 55 Days to Live It Up
wow it's a it's getting hot in the hot tub uh so you think it's just because that Kaylee
was a burden Oh you mean the why well I think the Y is a lot harder than the how
in this case um I think the burden was part of it I I also obviously think that she didn't
want to be with her parents anymore and I think she thought that Kaylee was some
kind of anchor keeping her to her parents um which the sad thing here is I really
believe if she wanted to tap out that her parents would have taken that baby for her and she could have she could
have left I've firmly believed that that would have been the case uh I think for
me definitely the house and why is two different things um well obviously part of me also
wonders if you know it seems like there was a lot of a lot of butting heads a lot of battling between Cindy and Casey
part of me wonders if she wanted to punish Cindy in some way as well for me I think the why that there's so many
reasons that she thought that she should do this and second of all um I don't think she's clinically crazy
I think she's criminally crazy and I think trying to rationale with with crazy is not nothing that we can do
there's we we can't come up with the reasons why she would do this yeah well I think she's a social path probably and
I think the I actually think the why is pretty easy um I don't think she ever wanted a kid I
think she felt pressured to do so she I think when people you know she came up with the LIE well this guy was
the father and then he died several years later and I think I don't know if she was
always a liar I think she developed into this and I think the more and more she had to
be faced with reality that she was just a loser and she was just trying to get guys attentions or whatever and I was
drunk at a party and I really don't know who the father is so therefore I do not
want to keep the baby and then I'm going to make the up this fictitious story about this guy is the father but he died
we know that's a lie and then you get engaged to a guy that you said was the father
and yet you cut off that engagement and the reason why was because she claimed that you love my daughter more than you
love me and then we see it again with the parents the parents love the granddaughter more
than they loved you then we see it again with the new boyfriend you start bringing around your daughter in the
beginning and the roommate claims and other people claimed everybody liked Kaylee everybody
thought she was so smart and then all of a sudden she's not coming around anymore and I
think the guy that she was seeing was probably giving the daughter some attention like a normal human would
and she couldn't deal with that she she needed the attention and this individual that she made her daughter
always stole that Limelight from her because at the end of the day Casey was and will always be
a piece of [ __ ] loser hmm and I think that was the main motivation was you know
you know everybody cares about this person more than me and I think there's more evidence of that
in the tapes hours and hours of the prison footage where he's she's saying but what about me
what about me right and I think part of Casey wanted to say I killed her and she's gone
let's make this about me and I I'm I believe in your theory uh the what George Anthony says I I buy most of
it and I believe that she one of my big frustrating questions was before the actual murder
when you're drugging I don't think this was the first time she ever drugged her with something but I believe that zany
The Nanny was giving your daughter drugs to make her sleep and I think sometimes
she was sleeping at the grandparents house I think sometimes that poor little girl was sleeping in the back of a car
maybe even the trunk of a car and I so that search that day of strangulation there's no doubt in my mind that it was
not an accident it wasn't I just gave her too much and she died you know George saw her that night I think
she she said look I'm not going to keep doing this I'm not going to keep drugging her I'm just going to get rid
of her together as a problem so I think me and your theories are pretty similar on this one I like your thoughts on that
that that at one time in Casey Anthony's life she was the nucleus of her world and then when Kaylee came along well
there was a new centerpiece of the world and it wasn't her anymore and it was the
centerpiece of her world and everyone that existed within Casey's world right and she couldn't handle that right and
the where we differ is on the why she got off and I believe what the prosecution says somebody that
was close to this case knew the evidence all this evidence was out in the Public's eyes and I think they had a
bunch of individuals the only individuals that they could get on this case on this trial
were individuals that were indecisive going in right for to fill the jury pool right which makes a lot of sense because
you have to it has to be fair but if but when all the information is pretty much
out there in the open and you're going in in indecisive just hearing the same story with maybe a few extra details
added in here there is not going to change your mind I think they went in indecisive and they left
indecisive and I think these little tiny things of them going well we didn't know
where the murder took place or you couldn't tell me exactly what happened you know
she's lucky that Kaylee wasn't found sooner because I think a couple key pieces of
forensic evidence would have you know put her in the electric chair oh yeah 100 and the worst
thing about all this is that this little girl doesn't get to grow up Kaylee doesn't get to grow up and become
something and then contribute to the world um you know because you can't pick your
parents and it's sad and I feel for the the Anthony Family everybody that was involved I I know sometimes it makes it
seem like we're throwing certain people under the bus but I feel for them overall
and uh you know then but then Casey comes out uh recently and says well here I'm going
to do an interview and I'm actually going to tell you I don't know what happened I'm not even
going to come up with another lie because everything I come up with it's not the truth
and then the troll wants to say oh by the way I sleep fine at night well that's because you're a social path
and just because a handful of people that were indecisive and couldn't make up their mind said that you're not
guilty I think in the public size the public got it right yes and we would all sleep better at night if we would
have gotten a guilty verdict and all I can say is I can't I can't stand this troll no mo troll trial is over thank
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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Casey Anthony trial verdict, parental theories, and financial fallout from the case.

Key points

Casey Anthony Verdict. The jury acquits Casey Anthony of murder charges but convicts her of misdemeanors.
FBI Paternity Test Results. FBI tests reveal neither Casey's father nor brother is Kaylee's father.
Casey's Release from Jail. Casey Anthony is released from jail but avoids returning home to her parents.
Bankruptcy Filing. Casey Anthony files for bankruptcy, avoiding payment of lawsuits.
Dominic Casey's Theory. Dominic Casey claims Kaylee drowned in the family pool, presenting it as a defense.
Cindy Anthony's Theory. Cindy believes Kaylee drowned in the pool and Casey panicked, hiding the body.

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