Delphi Murders Unsealed /// Part 1 /// 683 | Forensic Files

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store today better sleep starts here [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] just this afternoon revealing new
details in the Delphi murders of Libby German and Abby Williams and also the man charged with those February of 2017
murders a team of 13 News journalists has been pouring over the documents this afternoon Rich Nye joins us from The
Newsroom with what we've learned Rich Richard Allen's attorneys want the search warrant of his house overturned
and all the evidence collected there last October thrown out the prosecution's response gives us several
new details about what investigators believe happened to Libby German and Abby Williams
yeah investigators say that is Alan's voice and he is the man in the video taken by
Libby's phone who ordered the girls down the hill and in that same video investigators believe they hear the
sound of a gun being cycled and one of the girls mentioning a gun court records say the girls were then forced to the
location where they were murdered and for the first time we learned that investigators believe a knife was used
in the murders court records say articles of clothing from the girls were missing from the scene including a pair
of underwear and a sock clothes from both girls were found in the creek a woman says she later saw the man in the
bridge video walking down the road wearing a blue jacket and jeans he was muddy and bloody and looked like he had
been in a fight police searched Allen's home last October They seized a handgun which investigators believe Allen used
in the crime and matches an unspent bullet bound next to the girl's bodies about 10 hunting and utility knife were
also confiscated along with a blue Carhartt jacket and other clothes Allen has admitted to police that he was
at the Monon High Bridge the afternoon the girls were killed he said he went out on the bridge to watch the fish
foreign garage a very interesting day here in the garage the captain and I have had
some time to sort through the information that's coming out of Delphi and here we are to discuss some of the
highlights within that information now as many of you know we've covered this case extensively throughout the years
and this is a case that's always been shrouded in mystery right there's always been a a lot of what ifs or how did this
go down what happened here who's responsible well now we have a man locked up we have a man Richard Allen
who will be facing a trial and this double homicide case and very recently we've had
documents that were previously sealed for the most part have been released to the public these documents have been
unsealed their court documents that have been unsealed and now released to the public so what comes out to the public
here is 283 pages of court documents that have been released and we've been able to go
through all of them with a fine-tooth comb we've done the leg work so you wouldn't have to and we are here today
to tell you about what it is that we found within those 283 pages so let's waste no time and breaking down these
unsealed documents starting off with the affidavit from the warden yes and so what we have here Captain clearly we're
not going to go through all 283 Pages because reading that's how many pages of court documents and man it's some dry
heavy reading right there but what we're talking about here today are some things
that jumped off the page to us the highlights if you will and more importantly I think too with
some of these items we say 283 pages of unreleased previously sealed documents but in reviewing those 283 pages
there are a lot of those documents that had either leaked their way out at some point or had been released and so what
you have here is you have the media you have attorneys representing the media who filed request
official court request to have these documents unsealed and for this once very mysterious investigation
and very mysterious charges brought against Richard Allen to have more transparency
and so the judge reviewed these requests and said sure the handcuffs are off the gloves are
coming off here is the information that you were seeking so the first thing that caught
our eye and this is because it was newsworthy back earlier this year in April we had the defense team coming to
Richard Allen's defense saying that he's being mistreated that he was treated like a prisoner of war in this facility
where he's being housed while he awaits his trial in fact I believe their statements were that he is living in
conditions that are worse than if he were to be convicted of the charges brought against him so this is an
affidavit filed by the warden of the Westville Correctional Facility so this is part obviously of the Indiana
Department of Corrections and this is the wardens opportunity to have a rebuttal of this public outcry maybe not
by the masses but at least Richard Allen's defense attorneys that he's being mistreated within this
facility this Westville Correctional Facility right right and the warden says that Richard Allen is
housed in a segregation unit of this facility this is for his protection he is housed in a 12 by 8 cell which is the
standard size cell for that facility so he's not right away the warden's going to be
pointing out how the conditions this man is being kept in are similar to all the exact
same as all of the other persons housed in this facility with the exception of him being in a segregation unit
they state that the defendant has a bed with a mattress and the mattress is the same mattress that all of the inmates
receive at the facility the bed frame is attached to the floor this is specific to the segregation units because it's uh
in order to protect the defendant from ways of harming himself the defendant is in this type of cell
for his protection because he has made suicidal statements and could attempt to harm himself the defendant Richard Allen
is offered time to shower three times a week which is the same as the other inmates he's also provided with three
sets of clothing per week he is afforded commissary Privileges and has extra shirts and shoes in his cell
but he chooses not to wear them right the defendant is not required to wear the same clothes or underwear for days
and days on end that are soiled stained tattern or torn he can change those clothes he may choose not to
the defendant has equal access to clean clothing as do all of the inmates the defendant was afforded the use of an
electronic tablet where he can make calls send text and download music which is an amenity that the other inmates do
not have so they're stating this is this is something that he has been given it's
a privilege as far as the Warren's concerned simply put the other inmates do not have
this tablet that that Richard Allen has that he can make phone calls on he can send text and he can download music
now the warden goes on to say that at some point Richard Allen broke this tablet yeah so he had this privilege
that nobody else had but he broke it like a dumbass so don't have that privilege anymore the defendant has
afforded the same Recreation time as all of the other inmates which is Monday Wednesday Friday Saturday and Sunday
and he has regularly seen medical personnel and met in Mental Health Counselors it states that the defendant
is not afforded face-to-face visitation due to being in the segregation unit now that's interesting because that last
part of the statement goes along with what the defense attorneys were saying that there are difficulties in meeting
with their client one the distance between where they're located in the facility where he's being housed there's
difficulties with the defendant speaking with in meeting with his family again this is due to the distance between the
two but also the Hoops that one has to jump through once you get to this facility because Alan is stored or being
housed in a stored makes it sound like he's a he's a product in the back of of a stock room somewhere that he's being
housed in a segregation unit yeah and I know there's rumors that are saying that
guards and other prisoners are telling Richard to to kill himself but let's let's not forget what he's
what he is accused of doing he's accused of killing a 13 and 14 year old so I I really don't have any
I don't feel bad for this individual you know he has it better than most and I think right now the conditions
that they're in are probably keeping him alive and I think once he has to go face more
of a the general population in prison that's not going to go so well for Richard M Allen that's a difficult thing
for us to sit here and talk about on Mike because we do recognize that he is innocent until proven guilty in the
court of law which has not happened yet and unfortunately there have been I'm not I'm not going to sit here and raise
a great defense for Richard Allen there are 12 people that will be selected by the courts that
will be given more information than we have that will determine if he is guilty of these crimes or not yeah if that's
that's not my job but but the difficult thing becomes we do know there have been
innocent people that have been in the same situation as Richard Allen some of them found guilty
some of them found not guilty now but but what I think the captain's pointing out here and one thing I will agree with
100 percent this is what he's charged of guards verbally harassing him that's not
right yeah we get nobody's saying that that's right nobody's saying good job guards the other inmates harassing him
if in fact this is all going down right if this let's be clear about that if this is actually happening nobody's
saying here at True Crime garage good job guards good job inmates but what we are saying is this is not
out of the norm typically somebody charged with these kinds of crimes it's not unheard of that they're being
verbally harassed by the guards or other inmates that's what happens in prison that's
what happens in these types of facilities especially when we're talking about inmate to inmate that's why jail
and prison are such an undesirable place to be so the defense is claiming that they're
client is not being treated fairly and now they're also saying we have not received all the information all the
investigative information from the state yeah and again we we have really put a magnifying glass on this case and
everything that's going on in and around the courts with this case so what I think we have here Captain is
a lot of people becoming aware of things that are very common in these types of cases
and people kind of wondering is this common one and two is there something else going on here well in this case
this this I would expect okay let's let's pretend for a minute I had to hire Council to defend me against any kind of
charges I would expect good counsel good defense attorneys to file this motion we've not we've not
received all discovery we've not received all the state's case against our client
you do that for it look you're you're creating a long list of checks and balances
because in this type of case where he could end up being charged and if convicted
sentenced to death right you are creating a long paper trail for your client of things that might be a
appealed later so you file this motion that way if you could later prove that the state did not provide you with
all of the information then you have grounds for an appeal you could even have grounds for a
mistrial so this is the state's rebuttal to those claims of well we've not received all the information now I I
should be clear here too because my understanding of this Captain is the the state has come forward
and said we're still working on some of our case so there may be things you've not received but it's we've not built
that part of our case against your client yet here they are going line by line and explaining why we've not sent this
to the defense and I'm going to give you the short of it because it's I don't know it's extensive it's
extensive there's at least 28 statements that they give in this there's probably
more because uh I I went through and highlighted the ones that I thought to be the most important and my list stops
at 28. again this was a review of 283 pages of documents they all didn't make it onto the show
but the short of it is the state is saying this is information that we've not sent to you
because of several reasons and these all fall within the rule book here one this is information that's readily
available to you so it's not our job to provide it to you we don't have to do the leg work for you
you can go and get this information yourself no one's preventing you from having this information
we don't work for the defense you can go get this information the the other response is that some of this
information is too cumbersome for the state to provide to the defense meaning like they're requesting any and
all tips any and all communication regarding this case from the general public to the law
enforcement agencies that were investigating the case well and we know and we know because of Carter I mean
there's been thousands upon thousands of interactions from the public to law enforcement didn't we report one time
that there were like over 47 000 tips that came in throughout the course of this event like so that was years ago
right and we know that Carroll County and the Indiana State Police Indiana State Police is a big agency lots of
resources lots of people power and they decided together that you know what we need the FBI
to work the tip line to take ownership of the tip line for us because there's so many tips coming in
and that was relatively early on in this investigation I want to say it was like
20 days in and as you said Captain as you backed me up there it was like 40 some thousand
tips and that was years ago yeah at least two years before Richard Allen was arrested
so they're simply saying we cannot provide you with all that information because
it would bog us down with too much work and oh by the way we do not intend to use
all of that communication from the general public to law enforcement against your client
meaning that it a lot of that information that they're requesting is not relevant
now there are ways for the defense to still obtain that information and it we'll see how this thing shakes
out because I know that a new trial date has been set for Richard Allen for the actual murder
charges right there's going to be other court proceedings before them those have not been given dates yet but
trust me do you know the date of the new trial I believe it was scheduled for January of 2024
and the reason why I've I've not noted that date here in my notes is that to me that date does not seem so significant
because with these other court proceedings that will it's not a if that will take place
I would bet that this thing gets pushed back even further right probably summer of 2024
and without without you and I getting too far into the weeds here we also have some speculation that this thing may it
may drag on for a while with different Court proceedings but we may never actually see a trial right moving along
let's go over the cause documents yes and this is pretty straightforward it's really a description of the the charge
which is Mel murder a felony two felony counts of murder and it's the bail that was set for Richard Allen now
this could be something that was known to the general public this is something I've never seen in writing before and I
don't recall it here hitting the old Colonel's earballs either so uh this seemed interesting to me the bail was
set at 20 million dollars cash or corporate security I believe is what that scribbled word is there so 20
million dollars was the bail set for Richard Allen the next item here captain is a judgment of the Court
so this is pretty straight forward here this is the the state has subpoenaed the CVS Corporation
who Richard Allen worked for their subpoena subpoena in them for documents I don't think I said that
right at all they are they are requesting demanding and people think I'm a dumbass that CVS turnover certain
documents about an information about Richard Allen to them now we can speculate here what that is right my
number one thing would be his Time Records for the the week and the day of the murders
that would be key for them to establish that he was not elsewhere during that time period so that's pretty
normal stuff and it was the defense team that then they come out and say no no we're gonna we're gonna push
through a motion that that's unnecessary the state does not need that information
and this is just a judgment of the court of saying the court has decided that it's fine for the state to demand that
information and that CVS should be giving that information to the state yeah it's pretty simple you have a guy
that's charged with double homicide and you want his work records that's one of the most common things that a state
would do in any homicide case is request information demand information from one's employer the suspect's employer
the next item is the state's objection to defense defendant's motion to suppress
this is very common as well so basically what you have the short of it Captain is that you have the state
that says here's how we built the case against this man enough to arrest him and house him until he can face trial
and so typically what you will see is the defense team will then come out and they will file a motion that says
we question all of that information all that evidence that led you to the arrest
and to you housing him and then trying him for these charges and we want a judge to determine if this information
is good if this evidence is good enough to keep him or to even have charged him in the first place very very common that
you would look a good defense team if any of our wonderful listeners out there ever find themselves on the hot
seat for something that they are completely innocent of and you hire a defense attorney if you
are wealthy enough that you can hire a team in this situation I believe that the
state is paying for both of these attorneys so he does have some kind of team here it's probably more than just
two working this but demand your counsel demand your attorney's question everything that's
what they should be doing they question everything and this is just further proof that they are doing
their due diligence the defense team in this case so correct me uh if I'm wrong but the
the search warrant that wasn't released but the Affidavit of it to get the search warrant was possibly leaked
at some point six years of this case and so much of it uh has been been a giant question mark I can't recall Captain if
that search warrant uh affidavit was leaked or if it was officially released but I can say
this I've reviewed that document prior to these documents being unsealed right now
what we do have here is the actual search warrant which is just a single page and it's the the state
it's the judge deaner who was originally on the case before passing it off it was Judge deaner granting the search
warrant to the Carroll County Sheriff's Department and it describes what they are allowed
to search and what they are allowed to collect and with so much of this case being shrouded
in mystery the these These are the type of documents that to me really tells you
kind of what their what their investigation was and what they were looking for and so here they state that the state of
Indiana grants this permission for the search and the seizure of property that's listed here so they're allowed to
search Richard Allen's property including the residence outbuildings I believe there is a it specifically
States a wooden shed that was on the property a black 2016 Ford Focus SE vehicle
all of these and it gives the address I'm not going to go that far look some of this information again it's public if
you want to go find it great um well thanks for being so helpful that's that's why they're here is to
learn about it but they're talking about that they are allowed to search all of those parts of the property including
that vehicle that is listed there and they are allowed to remove any and all evidence and information of
the crime of murder specifically a search for handguns 40 caliber ammunition knives blue
sweatshirts or jackets black sweatshirts or jackets clothing electronic devices a
cell phone and they're very specific with the cell phone that they're looking for right and any other cell phone so
that's kind of a blanket statement right you go all right we can collect this one
cell phone that we're looking for plus any other ones and any other electronic devices located in or on the locations
described in this document law enforcement is authorized to search these areas to determine whether or not
there has been a violation committed as described in the affidavit at the residence
in the yard the vehicle or any word that I do not know um so this is just giving a very basic
description of what they're looking for what's key here and what I've always found fascinating about this case
Captain is that in every search that they've ever done it even with remove Richard Allen's name from it
they've always specifically and I think this is pretty common to 2023 2022 very specifically looking for
electronic devices right cell phones tablets things of that nature now in this case it has been said
by law enforcement on multiple occasions that they are of the belief that some of the the crimes may have been
documented via an electronic device or taking pictures or any of those things now we've not heard that they've found
proof of that but that certainly was as a consideration and speculation by law enforcement in fact we do know when we
reviewed the search warrant affidavit for Ron Logan the the wording that they chose to use
was we're looking for an electronic device that was receiving a sell signal in that area on that day and they even
give like a window of time there so we've always wondered does this mean that they have proof we know that they
did the data dump trying to locate all of the cell phones that were in the area within a five mile radius that day when
the girls went missing up till a certain time of day I I don't know how long they
extended it but law enforcement had always said that they believed everything was done and over with by 5
PM so we've always wondered does that mean that they have information from that data dump that there was some type of
cellular device or or electronic device receiving a sell signal in that location
that day that they've not identified right the the user the carrier of that device
so this is just another document that they are looking for something very similar and then that leads us to the
affidavit for the search warrants that was granted this goes through a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about
in the past and so I'll summarize a lot of that this is the law enforcement laying out their case
for the judge saying we need a search warrant and here's the evidence why and they go through a description of the
crime we've talked about that they believe they're looking for a gun because they one of the girls says gun
to the other girl in the 43 second video that was the the recording that was on Libby's phone
and so that's why gun is listed and we we would later learn in other documents it it doesn't go into specifics and I
don't think that's needed but it does state that their their deaths were ruled a homicide due to
wounds or injuries from a sharp object well it's also they were looking for a gun because they had a shell casing that
they're going to try to match up as well exactly exactly so they give those two reasons for looking for guns and then
obviously with the statement of what it is been determined that they were killed
with that they are looking for sharp objects and knives and things of that nature as well so like you said they
said gun on the video and so we're looking for a gun believing that the killer controlled them with a gun to go
down the hill but then used a sharp object possibly a knife to commit the murders this document is a bit of a
bummer for me here captain and that is because when you're a bit of a bummer for all of us this document
specifically was look this just jogged my memory completely here so this document some
form of it was released remember this was the document that was sealed per the state
the judge signs off on sealing it and the state was saying we need this to be sealed because it has
witness information it identifies Witnesses and remember the the defense was saying
no we need transparency we don't think that the state has a good case against our client if the if the
public could see some of this they may agree with us so this document should be unsealed they they said publicly we
don't see anything in this document that warrants the arrest of our client and so
remember this document was released but redacted well they've removed the the redactions
here on this document so that was a bit of a bit of a bummer for me um it's not a whole lot of new
information but it's it for those who have not reviewed it previously they're talking about witnesses that put
somebody that looks like Richard Allen that was dressed like Richard Allen at the trails that day coming and going and
leaving looking rather disheveled muddied bloodied uh one person describes it as it looked like he had been in a
fight one of the witnesses says that they believe he was covering his face uh with
there was some kind of face covering that he was wearing when when seen now none of these people were saying it was
Richard Allen there that day on the you know on the trails but they're saying it they're all
confirming they're all saying about the same thing and describing somebody that not only looks like the person the
person's image that we see in in on Libby's phone video right right but also looks like Richard Allen and then on top
of that we have Richard Allen who admits to being there that day and this does give good reason to search
his property a lot more to get to after this quick beer break [Music] foreign we are back cheers mates cheers to you
Colonel cheers to the captain cheers to one and all tall cans in the air and we've
covered so many cases but it seems like this is a lot of information like you said
280 some documents I and I believe that they didn't unseal about 19. documents out of the the whole kitten
caboodle but uh it seems like this is a lot of information coming out before the trial
look as much as I was on a quest for information in this case just like everybody else
I I think this is a little unsettling to me all if again 12 people with more information
than me will determine this man's guilt I can't sit here in this garage two beers deep and tell you 100 that this
guy's guilty he looks really guilty I'm not going to build a Defense form but all I care about is convicting the right
person I'm a little worried that you've tainted any type of jury pool with some of this information that's
coming out right and some of it the the big stuff which I think will taint the potential jurors
we've not even gotten to yet so uh hold on to your butts right hold on to your nuts and butts I hope I hope you wore
your raincoat and Boots because there's gonna be some [ __ ] um some [ __ ] um some other information in here that I
think the that people will find fascinating if this is it may be something they already know but there
this document indicates that there may be video footage of a vehicle either matching Richard Allen's vehicle or a
vehicle very similar to his scene driving what what could be assumed I've not seen this video but it's stated it's
described here in this document that one could make an easy assumption that this vehicle is going toward the
trails and then coming from the trails and going to the trails before the Abduction
of murders and coming from the trails afterward yeah and this could be now this could be kind of a nothing Burger
because we do have records of him stating that he was at the park that day but this could be confirmation of that
and confirmation of what vehicle he was driving my other speculation is is it possible that it's
video footage of not him entering the park but entering the service road into the park the one that would line up with
the bridge um and you know down the hill and was his vehicle on that service road
um that's a speculation on my part because that would be pretty damning you're on the bridge you you meet up
with the girls you tell them to go down the hill your vehicle was parked down there
this murder takes place and then you get in your vehicle and you and you leave through the service road correct so this
video this video evidence potential video evidence is described as coming from a store
and so I imagine that this is a camera that either they have in their parking lot hell we've seen how much ring
doorbell cameras and Simply Safe doorbell cameras are picking up people things that are going on in the street
in front of someone's house right uh that they have nothing to do with but these images are captured and and
digitized and and later able to be used as evidence against different people and
and one of the things that I want to reiterate when you were talking about the the initial
search that they did you know searching this property and Gathering clothes and and people in
in Richard's life coming forward and saying well he didn't throw away these clothes and and now we we assume that
this murder took place you know with the sharp object a knife so they collect a bunch of knives from his property but
what they did with the car uh is they did a bunch of luminal tests and wherever luminol hit in that vehicle
they cut up the carpet from the wheel wells they they cut up pieces of the seat belt
pieces of the seat so you would you would assume too maybe those haven't been tested completely
again another argument by the defense team of hey do we get the do we have those tests back yet
because all that information as the defense team the bigger of a pile of evidence against your client you
might just decide to defend your client differently based off the information that the state is providing you
right and so if those items if and when well I shouldn't say if or when they 100
they're going to test them if they if they don't test them I mean come on what are you guys doing
um those items have been or will be tested that information should if if everybody's doing their jobs and
playing with inside the rules that those results will be provided to the defense
that's all part of Discovery right um so yes that's that's all part of it the the thing that
I find uh well in fact you know what let's stay on topic here because the next item that we wanted to cover was
the property record and receipt this is a document that is going to take inventory of all of the items that were
collected from Richard Allen's home right from his property from his vehicle and you're right Captain they they
did do those things with with the vehicle and I I don't want to go through this line by line because it's it's four
pages but just to give everybody a little bit of a taste here so of course they they take into their possession a gun
the the Sig Sauer P226 handgun they took into possession two magazines one filled with 940
caliber cartridges and one with eight 40 caliber car cartridges right it looks to me
that the gun the six hour P226 that they believe was at the crime scene at the murder scene
that When They confiscated that gun that it had a cartridge with the gun they had a a single 40
caliber Smith and Wesson bullet in that cartridge the uh they also took like the case and
a whole bunch of uh cellular devices so it looks to me like the the Allens are probably like a lot of other people
where you you go through phones you're done with a phone and they end up in a junk drawer somewhere usually with a
bunch of old Chargers and things of that nature so there's a whole bunch of car chargers Outlet Chargers and old flip
phones and old phones that appear to have been confiscated as well now we do know that the the handgun as far as lab
exam goes they check that box that's stated on this document a cartridge that was they found a 40 caliber cartridge
found in a wooden keepsake box on a dresser between both closets in the master bedroom
I don't know why this bullet is in a different location than the other ones but that's the bullet that they chose to
to test so they would have fired that gun they would have checked that gun to see if it malfunctions or there's any
malfunctioning with that gun confirm that there's no malfunctions and then they would test that bullet so they
wouldn't fire it in this situation typically we're firing it for the ballistics test but here we're simply
racking it through the gun and then testing yeah it's simpler and doing a lab exam on those marks in comparison to
the live round found at the murder scene right and we talked so much about electronic devices well here they they
took at least one flash drive um I think later in this document they reference another
but they don't list them together because the other ones listed as a Zip drive They confiscated a whole lot
of sweatshirts a whole lot of sweatshirt every sweatshirt this guy had it appears
is on this list for obvious reasons they're trying to find the what appears to be the hoodie or jacket uh worn by
Bridge guy that day so a lot of jackets a lot of hoodies they took a lot of he's
got a lot of of sharp items a lot of knives yeah I would be surprised if they find any evidence on a sweater but look
I mean the criminals have been dumb for years but I think it would be a easy item for
him to discard especially the property that he had I mean he had a little bit of land he could have easily had a
little bonfire and got rid of uh some evidence I loved we talked about that when his defense team came out and said
look his gun his car his clothing all the things that he had that day when he was out walking the trails mine in his
own business uh he still has to this day that's proof that he's innocent well it's it certainly raises a bit of an
argument of Innocence however it's very easy to quash that argument just go he might just be a dumbass he might he
might have just not discarded of these items because he's lazy or he's dumb or maybe there's something more Sinister
and some kind of souvenir to him yeah and the thing is you know he Richard M Allen is innocent until proven guilty
but the jury's out on on what he looks like he he looks like a dumbass I mean if I saw him I go that's that's a
dumass unfortunately I've had the same said about me now a lot of sharp objects a
lot of knives a lot of bladed weapons found some of them decorative in nature some of them folding knives some of them
large so a lot of that's been confiscated from his home you have to wonder here Captain
you can clean those knives but we've seen this in dozens of homicide cases involving a knife often they can remove
the handle or the hilt and find blood that has seeped under there yeah that the the suspect was
unable to clean from that object they're more likely to find the victim's blood than they are to match the wounds to the
weapon because that is a difficult task um for for for forensics a lot of times when there is a knife used in the murder
they can go well we can rule out that these 10 knifes weren't used but these other five knives that he have
could have been used correct because a lot of times that is a little bit open to interpretation yes and so often you
what you will hear in the courts or even on Dateline or what have you where the expert is saying
the wounds suffered by the victim are similar to what I would expect to see from someone if they chose to use this
knife as the murder weapon yeah and think about that we're trying to without a shadow of a doubt com
I was like make noise what we're trying to do is without a shadow of a doubt prove that this guy
committed these crimes or did not prove these crimes so when you do the ballistics with the gun that's going to
be difficult with the casing because it doesn't have every single marking on that anybody that wants to dive more
into these ballistic tests and how they go down uh our buddy fig solves on YouTube
um just interviewed um FBI agent that does these ballistic tests and they go into depth on how this test would
um how these tests are oper how they operate these tests but also what is the well in this case and that that's
actually one of our documents that we have for review here is they they straight out state
this is not so much a scientific test this is a microscopic comparison right we we took the two the one found at the
murder scene and one that we racked through his gun same caliber same bullet racked through this Sig Sauer
P226 handgun and we compared them under a microscopic lens and our expert our state's expert has
stated it is of their opinion that this gun made those markings on the bullet that was found at the crime scene
so what will happen again I don't think it's an if it's a it will happen the defense team will then find a air
quotes expert to say I compared them as well and it is of my opinion that this gun did not
and maybe you might any look if you get a really honest one maybe you get an expert that says we can't rule out this
gun but um there's you could get an expert that says there's 21 000 other guns out there that could have
made this these same marks there's there's the same you know let's I don't know how many of those guns were
produced that type of make and model were produced but I would think that that somebody
could come forward and say it you could put this in any six hour P226 handgun and rack it through and it
would make similar if not almost identical marks so that that's something I don't know
have enough knowledge of but I'm letting you all know don't be so surprised when
that happens one this is how they have to create a case against somebody if you don't have
the definitive evidence again the matching the stab wounds to a knife is not definitive the the
ballistic test is not definitive some of these other tests that they're going to run are not definitive
eyewitness statements might not be definitive but certainly not you keep having a you keep building that pile
and what and what I think will happen is the more they build that pile and the more that the defense doesn't know how
to defend their client hopefully we see a a deal made and and a deal that law enforcement works with the family
members and and their surviving victims of this tragic crime most murder convictions are
built and come off of the backs of cases that are built on a mountain of circle circumstantial evidence
so it wouldn't be crazy for that to be the situation in here as well but like you talked about with the knives it
could come down to someone's expert opinion but more than likely if you confiscated all these and this guy and
his team are all happy about well he didn't discard any of these things it I would be surprised if this dude wasn't
so dumb that he didn't just just I mean you're right by the water when you killed him
you could have just chucked that knife in the water somewhere and hope that the current takes it or or hope that they
don't find it off of their first search or second search or third search and it becomes lost or buried or gone forever
or he takes it home and failed to remove the hilt or the handle and there is if you find the
victim's blood on on an item in his possession right get out the hangman because that case
his goose is cooked yeah we're looking for blood and mud in this case they collected as said a
lot of different electronic devices even Chargers and things of that nature and before we get to the vehicle stuff uh
note They confiscated in a white NFL Colts skull cap so if you were looking for a
reason to jump off of that team and find a new one um maybe maybe that's the straw that
broke the camel's back all right although I do like that quarterback that they got coming in watch out for him
he's going to be an electric um so for the car stuff Captain so they they as you were talking about They
confiscated they they made a sealed envelope containing a cutting of carpeted area underneath the spare
tire of the Ford Focus and they also collected two plastic wrappers containing one swab from a driver lap
belt and one swab from the driver shoulder belt of the Ford Focus and then they took two swabs from the passenger
side carpeting floorboard area so what they're doing here as the captain pointed out
they didn't really cut apart any of the seat belts or anything they just swabbed
them and so they're looking for DNA that would be his DNA uh anybody that's been
in his vehicle's DNA as well as potential blood evidence and of those three items the only one that is stated
that they did a lab exam was the carpet that was cut and they cut that from under the spare tire
this actually tells me I have a different interpretation as to why they would have done this uh than what you
stated previously here Captain oh you're wrong is that I'm guessing this is strictly for fiber evidence I wouldn't
expect to if I'm the investigator and I'm searching this vehicle underneath the spare tire
would be a place that I would I would think would be less likely to have victim blood or victim DNA
in that location as compared to other locations in that in that vehicle so I think this might just be simply for
fiber analysis and again that was the only sample that is noted here that was actually tested from items taken from
the vehicle this is probably just them doing their due diligence with those swabs but again we don't know where I
could be completely off the Mark here we're not the ones conducting this investigation
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On February 13th 2017, two teenaged girls went missing for the trails at the Monon High Bridge in Carroll County, Indiana. The following day search and rescue teams found the bodies of the two girls, Libby and Abby. It was more than five years later that Richard Allen was arrested and charged with the murders. Recently, previously sealed court documents about the case, the arrest, and evidence were unsealed and released to the public. Due to dozens of requests we have decided to discuss these documents and the details of the information found on those pages this week in the Garage. There are significant details that many have wondered about for over six years now. Finally, more information is now available in a murder investigation that has been previously cloaked in mystery, silence and uncertainty.

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New evidence in the Delphi murders case reveals details about Richard Allen's charges and the prosecution's claims against him.

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Delphi Murders Update. New details emerge in the Delphi murders case, including evidence against Richard Allen.
Richard Allen's Conditions. The warden defends Richard Allen's treatment in custody amid claims of mistreatment.
Search Warrant Insights. The search warrant reveals specific items law enforcement is looking for, including electronic devices and firearms.
Witness Descriptions. Witnesses describe a man resembling Richard Allen seen near the crime scene, raising suspicions.
Potential Video Evidence. Documents suggest there may be video footage of a vehicle linked to Richard Allen near the crime scene.

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