Casey Anthony /// Part 4 | Forensic Files

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talk some true crime. >> [music] [music] [music] [music] >> The record reflect that the defendant is
present along with counsel for the defendant. Both sides ready to proceed. It has been
brought to my attention that the jury has reached the verdict. State >> state's ready to proceed. John,
>> defense, >> defense is ready. >> To those in the gallery, please do not express any signs of approval or
disapproval upon the reading of the verdict. Let's return to jury. State recognized presence of the jury.
>> We do, your honor. >> And does the defense? >> Yes, sir. We do. Good afternoon, ladies
and gentlemen of the jury. Have you reached the verdict? >> Would you hand the verdict form to the
court deputy, please? >> Would a defendant rise along with counsel? >> Madame clerk, you may publish the
verdicts. Judge >> in the circuit court for the ninth judicial circuit in in four Orange County, Florida, state of
Florida versus Casey Marie Anthony as to case number 2008 CF156-0. As to the charge of first-degree murder,
verdict as to count one, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. So say we all dated at Orlando, Orange County,
Florida on this 5th day of July, 2011. Signed for person. As to the charge of aggravated child abuse, verdict is to
count two. We the jury find the defendant not guilty. So say we all did it at Orlando, Orange County, Florida,
this fifth day of July, 2011. Signed for person. As to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child. Verdict is to
count three. We the jury find the defendant not guilty. So say we all. Dated at Orlando, Orange County,
Florida, this 5th day of July, 2011. Signed for person. As to the charge of providing false
information to a law enforcement officer, verdict as to count four. We the jury find the defendant guilty of
providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment. So say we all dated Orlando,
Orange County, Florida this 5th day of July 2011 signed for person. As to the charge of providing false information to
law enforcement officer verdict count five. We the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to
a law enforcement officer as charged in the indictment. So say we all dated Orlando, Orange County, Florida. This
5th day of July, 2011. Signed for person as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement
officer. Verdict test to count six. We the jury find the defendant not guil I'm sorry. We the jury find the defendant
guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer as charged in
the indictment. So say we all date Orlando, Orange County, Florida this 5th day of July, 2011. signed for person
as to the charge of providing false information to a law enforcement officer. Verdict is to count seven. We
the jury find the defendant guilty of providing false information to a law enforcement officer is charged in the
indictment. So say we all dated Orlando, Orange County, Florida. This 5th day of
July 2011 signed for person. >> Madame clerk, you may poll the jury. >> [music] >> July 5th, 2011. Only after 10 hours and
40 minutes of deliberation, the jury acquits Casey Anthony of first-degree murder, aggravated manslaughter, and
aggravated child abuse, but convicts her of all four misdemeanor charges of giving false information to law
enforcement officers. So, the jury didn't hold Casey Anthony responsible for Kayle's death at all in any manner.
Two days later, Judge Perry sentences Casey Anthony to one year in county jail and $1,000 in fines for each of the four
misdemeanor counts of providing false information to law enforcement officers. The judge orders all sentences to run
consecutive to each other with credit for time served based on 3 years credit for time served plus additional credit
for good behavior. Her release date is set for July 17th, 2011. Now, Judge Perry announces that he will not release
the juror's names for at least 7 days, saying that some people have disagreed with their verdict and would like to
take something out on them. >> Mhm. Like maybe like a sharp kick to the crotch. >> Well, we would learn later that several
of the jurors would say that they had received death threats uh after the trial took place. August 10th, 2011, the
Florida Department of Child and Family Services releases a report concluding that Casey Anthony failed to protect
Kaye and that Casey's actions or lack of actions resulted in the death of the child.
>> So, I mean, yeah, but what does that matter? Is this after the fact? >> It actually really legally it doesn't
matter at all. It has very little legal relevance. >> Well, the FBI did a pretty interesting
test you were talking about. >> Yeah. And this was something that we failed to get to yesterday. There was so
much jam-packed in that show. We went through so much information that this kind of just got swept under, well, not
swept under the rug, lost in the shuffle, we should say. But there was an interesting test that the FBI conducted.
And this was a paternity test and they tested George and Lee, Casey's father and brother. And the thing here is the
first thought that the FBI had [snorts] was that if she was in fact sexually abused by either of these people that
one of them could have been the father of Kaye. >> So they do the paternity test.
>> There was some more thought going into this than just that though. And I found
this to be pretty interesting regarding Lee, her brother. >> The suspicion was that the name Kaye was
a combination of Casey and Lee. that she knew that her brother was the father and
that she was, you know, naming the child after the both of them. >> Well, that'd be really sick.
>> Yes. And and both of those tests that were negative. George is not the father.
Lee is not the father of Kaye. Uh we've we've heard who Casey says is the is the
father. A reminder, she says that it was either a man that had been killed in a vehicle accident.
>> Uh so we can't confirm if he's the actual father. The other thing that she had stated to her lawyers and to her
defense team and I believe her family as well is that at a a party that she may have gotten drunk and the child was
conceived that night. Now, I think there's a few different versions of that story depending on who she's talking to.
>> Casey's stories are better known as the troll tales. Well, and one of those versions, at least one of those, is that
she was at this party and somebody may have put something in her drink and had sex with her against her will and that's
how the the child was conceived, >> right? Or the guy had to put something in his drink just to get through the
process. >> The old one for you, two for me. On July 13th, 2011, Texas Equaarch, which
assisted in the search for Kaye, sues Casey Anthony for the cost of the search. Now, we'll cycle back to this in
a little bit because there's quite a bit more story there. Uh, but following our
timeline, on July 17th, 2011, Casey Anthony is released from jail at 12:10 a.m. >> And she doesn't initially go home to her
parents house. She never goes back there, >> but she can't after the the allegations
that she threw out at trial, >> right? And and well, and then the hurt. I I look I I think she knew based on
what her mom and dad were saying that they felt that there was some guilt there and she just didn't want to deal
with them anymore. So it's now I'm out of jail to start a new life and she goes to live with a defense attorney. She's
there for a little bit and then she goes to this kind of like church retreat woman's thing and she gets all religious
but it's because all that stuff is because she's broke. >> Right. Right. And she's she's about to
get more broke because Judge Belvin Perry rules that Casey Anthony must pay for the cost of the sheriff's search for
Kaye Anthony. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, when you say, "Uh, my daughter's been missing for 31 days
and people start searching for your daughter, uh, you were lying, >> right?" Right. Well, yeah. You come out
at trial and say, "Well, she wasn't missing." and she's sued by the uh well, not sued, but she's ruled that she has
to pay the sheriff's department over $200,000. Now, we talked about her being sued by Texas Equaarch, and I'm not sure
that we have discussed Texas Equaarch before on this show. We >> Yeah, we talked about them.
>> I I thought so. We we may have because they're they specialize in searching for
missing persons, sometimes organizing the searches, sometimes assisting, but always working with law enforcement. and
they have done a lot of really good work over the years, thankfully locating many
of the adults and children that they have been looking for over the years and finding a lot of them alive.
>> A big we like your jib to all those volunteers. >> Tim Miller is Equaarch's director and
founder and he founded the search and rescue organization in 2000. This was after the abduction and murder of his
daughter Laura. Laura is one of the victims in the three decades old Texas killing fields murders. Texas Equaarch
moved into the area to assist for the search of Kaylee Anthony. This was November 8th and November 9th of 2008,
just a little over a month before her body was found. And this is an expensive operation to come in there and look for
somebody. And now that we get to trial and she states, "Well, the girl was never missing. I just let all these
people spend all this money looking for her anyway." >> Uh he wants and his company wants some
of that money back. And rightfully so. >> Yeah, [ __ ] better have my money. >> Pay me what you owe me. Now, Casey would
also be sued by Zenida Gonzalez. Remember, she there is a real person out there named Zenida Gonzalez, and she
lives in Florida. She doesn't know anything about Casey Anthony or Kaye Anthony. She never babysat, maybe even a
day in her life. Who knows, right? Uh, but because this name was smeared all over the news by Casey stating that Zany
the nanny took her daughter, well, she's going to come after her in court as well
and sue her for defamation. Now, this case ends up just being kind of thrown out and doesn't really go anywhere. But
Casey's still going to have to face the judge's ruling of paying the sheriff's department for the searches as well as
the lawsuit by Texas Equaarch. And this is going to lead Casey Anthony into bankruptcy. She's going to file for
bankruptcy and she won't have to pay either of them back, >> right? But during the bankruptcy trial
that we're going to have a bunch of depositions that come up that some red flags and really she's kind of out of
the limelight at this point. >> Mhm. >> But this is a case that I think the media keeps going back to and trying to
dig up more stuff. It's kind of very similar to me like um John Ramsay, >> right? always going back to it, always
trying to dig up some little other nugget. >> Well, and of course they've got to they
being the media has to flock to this bankruptcy hearing because well, there's players that were involved in the
investigation and they want to hear what maybe what nuggets might fall out of those trees that didn't fall out during
the original trial now that the uh the smoke is cleared, let's say. >> Uh and one of those individuals is a man
by the name of Dominic Casey. Now, he uh according to ID, and I mean ID, the the
channel, the the TV channel, um they they were their words are that he worked for the defense team during the trial.
And during the course of this, uh he basically stated what that Casey was paying Joseé Bayz for her defense with
sexual favors. >> The troll tax. There was supposed to be a TV appearance. >> Yeah. press conference
>> and she didn't want to go. >> She didn't want to do it. So last minute and she was going to get paid for it.
>> Now the reason why it was set up by Bayz was because she needed to pay for his
services. >> So I'll set this thing up. We're going to get a little bit of money for it that
goes towards your payment of what you owe me. >> Well, and your defense, too, because
you're going to have to bring in experts that you will have to pay for their time
in their expert opinions. >> Yeah. the overall service of what Bayz is bringing to you.
>> So when he sets that up for you and you cancel, >> then that's one makes him look bad. I
think it kind of makes you look bad and then there's no money coming in. >> So this this uh private investigators
claimed that Bayz said to her over the phone, "Well, now you owe me three blowjob."
>> Now to me, the devil's always in the detail. If he just stated, "You owe me blowjob," or, "You owe me whatever," it
it doesn't hold as much weight as when somebody says, "You owe me three blowjobs." That's a very more detailed
statement. The other claims that he made makes that is when he went to their offices that he saw Casey running
Adobias's office naked. Yeah. He also claims that he spoke to Casey about this and she stated to him that well she was
broke and she had to pay him for the defense somehow. >> Um here's here's a quick thing here
though captain I want to point out. >> Even though the ID network states very clearly that Dominic Casey worked for
the defense during the trial. First of all, that's an very incorrect statement. Okay, Dominic Casey did work for the
defense. He at no time during the course of the trial worked for the defense. Okay, let's be very clear about that.
What took place, the relationship between Joseé Bayz and Dominic Casey is this. Dominic Casey is a private
investigator. He is a he's a well-known private investigator. He's been doing it
for many years. Well, when this case came up, he presented himself to Jose Bayz and he said, "You know what? I
would like to work on the defense team as an investigator. He's offering to work for Joseé Bayz. Now, Joseé Bayz is
telling Dominic Casey at the time, look, first of all, this defense does not have
a lot of money. >> We we can't afford a a private investigator of your level, >> right?
>> So, Dominic Casey says, "Well, I will do this pro bono and work for the defense."
And he does so for a while, not very long, because at some point Bayz and him are not getting along. And so Bayz
decides to release Dominic Casey of working for the defense. Now, what happens is Dominic Casey, he so badly
wants to be involved in this case, what does he do? He then goes to Casey Anony's parents, George and George and
Cindy, and says, "You know what? >> I know you guys have an attorney, and it's not Joseé Bayas. They had their own
attorney, uh, Conway, and he goes to them and says, "You should probably have your own private investigators as well."
Because Kaye had not been found by this point. And so he says, "I will work for George and Cindy Anthony pro bono as
your private investigator." Now, how do we know that this is true other than Jose Bayas saying this? Well, we know
from the court transcripts. Remember when Cindy was called to testify and they wanted to know if she in fact sent
her private investigators to search the area where Kaylee Anthony was found one month before she was found and she
disputed that. Well, what private investigators were we talking about? We were talking about Dominic Casey, which
the court transcripts describe him as working for Cindy and George Anthony at that time. This is November before the
body is found. I don't know how long that he worked for Bayz, but he didn't work for Bayz
anytime close to the trial starting. He didn't work for her or for him before the body was found. Um, so let's be
clear about that. It makes it it sounds a little more it sounds a little more like a legit claim when they state that
he worked for the defense during the course of the trial. >> Right. Right. And the other claim that
is kind of weird to me is he's saying that from the get-go, we were never looking for a lot for Kaye to be alive.
We always just assume that she was dead and we were looking for the dead body. Meanwhile, that's what we're looking
for, but we're telling everybody else that we're going to find her. Yeah, I get that. And and I see what you're
getting at because that presents itself as as the defense knew in the beginning that we to we are to be looking for not
a missing girl but a dead girl. And the problem I have with that, Captain, I I don't I don't dispute that statement. I
believe I believe he was out there looking for a body, >> not a missing person. And I think that
maybe he might have even been sent out by the defense to do so. But he's also a private investigator. he's going to
conduct his own investigation within what the confines of what he's told to do by the defense. What I mean by that
and the reason why I don't dispute it and I don't think this is any should be anything negative towards the defense
because Jose Bayz says very early in this case when when he took this thing on he said that immediately he thought
you know what I'm going to defend this woman that is involved in a missing child case that could very soon turn
into a homicide case. Right? >> He stated that from the get-go. And second of all, he also said that early
in the defense, the first several weeks that he knew Casey Anthony, he could tell that she was not being honest with
him because she didn't trust him. And so he was not believing anything that she said at the time. So yes, they might
have been looking for a missing girl. They were probably also looking for for a body. Now, the thing I want to throw
in here though too is that Dominic Casey also claims that he is the one that came
up with the theory and presented it to Joseé Bayz that Kaye drowned in the family swimming pool.
>> Mhm. >> He says he came up with that theory. Why? Because he said that he noticed
from pictures of the Anthony home that the ladder was still up in the pool. Now, I'll tell you what. I'm not going
to credit Dominic Casey with the other statements because a lot of those other statements I don't believe,
>> but I do believe that he probably found the picture with the ladder still up in
the pool. I do believe maybe he presented that to Jose Bayz as a possible defense.
>> But here, but here again, don't damn me for looking for a body when you're out
there and at the same time saying, "Well, maybe she drowned in the pool." Sounds to me like he's looking for a
body as well. Furthermore, before she was found, this took place in November. Those Dominic Casey was sent by the
Anthony parents, by Casey Anony's parents to look for a body in the same area where the body was found. Now, the
other thing here is we have a situation where this guy is a bit scorned, right? He was not only released by Joseé Bayz,
but during the course of the Casey Anthony trial, it's presented in trial that look, you have these so-called very
competent private investigators out searching the very area where the body was found and they couldn't find it, you
know. So, it kind of discredits the whole private investigator. It kind of discredits him in his profession. And I
think he felt a little burned by that. I think that I think he might have had some
>> some thoughts on some things and decided to present them as possible things that
he thought he heard or thought that he saw. Um I I I just >> I look >> where I have a problem with it is I
don't see >> I just don't see this happening. You know what I mean? I I feel like
>> here here's here's where the breakdown begins. You have this private investigator and when he first comes
out, all these statements that they're making initially, oh well, she paid for her defense team and sex. It almost
seems like this private investigator is a champion for Kaye, right? That's what this is all about. Oh, this guy's a good
guy. But then where maybe you don't believe those statements that, you know, she was uh given [ __ ] to pay for her
defense. If you don't believe those statements, then don't believe the next statements.
Because the next statements were like, "Guess what? I'm the one that came up with the defense that did such a good
job to get this crazy psychopath off." >> And that is not champion for Kaye at all.
>> Right. >> So, I think I I buy the statements. I buy the the the ones that champion for
Kaye and the ones that don't champion for Kaye. And I buy what he's saying, you know. And I think the evidence of
that is you have to be pretty low of an individual. You have to be a pretty shitty ass human being to get up there
and opening statements say, "Hey, guess what? You know where she learned to lie?
You know where she learned to lie? From her father molesting her. The same father that raised your daughter. The
same father that housed you. The same father that fed you. The same father that fed you plus your daughter plus
every time that you didn't pay for a ticket. Who paid for it? Who who paid for your car that did everything for you
and you throw this person under the bus. And I don't know who came up with the idea, but Bayz had to say it. He's the
one that made the claims. And other than the first initial cross-examination of George Anthony, they didn't bring this
up because it was a bunch of [ __ ] and that that's my opinion, but you have to be a pretty low human being to bring
this up in trial and throw that in the face of a guy that's dealing with the death of his granddaughter. And I think
so that's the evidence that I have. I can see that on tape. You're making those claims. I I don't
like you. And then this guy's making these claims just backing up that you might be a piece of [ __ ]
>> I get what you're saying. you know that that Bayz he presents this information
that that George is a sexual abuser of his daughter possibly hinting around maybe even the granddaughter as well. I
get that that's you're stating that he is saying some low down dirty stuff that he's not going to back up with any
evidence that makes him a slime ball. Therefore, it's not too big of a leap to believe that he would that he would
cross the line with with Casey uh behind closed doors. I I get what you're saying. As far as the trial goes and as
far as those accusations go, um my thoughts on that, it's it's tough. It's tough. Did he play dirty? I think Bayz
absolutely played a little dirty. Did he hit below the belt? I think so. Um the issue you have there though is he does
have a duty to his client to look out for her best interest and no one else is. And if she comes up with this story
and says, "You know what? This is what happened and this is why it happened." He does have to present that at trial.
>> We'll get right back to this after this quick beer break. [music] All right, we're back. Yeah, and we have
a lot of interesting theories to get to in this case now that the [clears throat] the smoke is cleared,
the verdict is in, Casey Anthony has disappeared off into the night. And what we're left with is wondering what truly
did happen here. And recently, we have learned about some very important theories. And those would be the parents
of Casey Anthony, Cindy, and George. Mhm. >> Now, Cindy has a theory, and I would say
it's probably, it doesn't sound to be spoton, definitely not spot on with what the
defense would state and what the defense would claim, but it's very similar in the sense that case that Cindy Anthony
believes that when when she left for work that day on June 16th that at some point Kaye drowned in the pool,
>> right? and that Casey found her in the pool and panicked and that Kaye was beyond the point of of bringing her back
of resuscitation, >> right? >> And that she being a young mother uh in a traumatic situation, she panicked and
she handled it very poorly. That she decided to hide the body for whatever reason and almost kind of pretend like
nothing happened. And one of the key points that people have to understand is that she eliminates George from the
equation, >> right? >> U one of the things that we kind of talked about is it's odd to us. Uh I
think it's odd to you as well, right? Um I got a mouse. [clears throat] >> I don't know what you're saying yet, so
I can't agree. >> I don't know yet. Um it's odd that they're still together. That because of
what they went through and it's not that it's odd, but it's kind of against all odds, right? that they're still
together. Uh, but she eliminates him from the equation in her theory. >> Right. And you know what? I tell you
what, I do want to throw something out in Cindy's defense. >> I I I got curious and I looked something
up the other day. And between the years of 1999 and 2010, nearly 14,000 Americans aged 19 and under drowned uh
during those years. Right >> now during that time period 40% of those people were ages 1 to 4 years old and
half of those people drown in pools. So you're talking about like 200 kids. You know this is where I get to to put on
display my poor math for everybody as I'm trying to do it in my head right now. You're supposed to show your work
so you know that you're right, but we don't have time to do that. So approximately over 200 kids between the
ages of 1 and four, which Kaye certainly would have fallen between those ages drown in the the United States each year
in a pool. >> Yeah. >> Um >> which is tragic, >> of course. Of course. And but it but it
kind of goes to the defense of Cindy's theory. >> And we normally recommend a bunch of
different true crime docs. I wasn't in love with the version of Discovery IDs, but I thought there was a few valid
interesting points in that one being of the parents theories. >> George's theory I think is very
interesting. >> Yes. Yes. And and like we said, it's it's quite different from Cindy's and
from the defense's theory as well. Um George does not believe that Kaye drowned in the pool. Um he basically
states that he thinks that CA that Casey might have been giving the little girl something to u knock her out uh to you
know Xanax any form of you know different forms of drugs to kind of put her under from time to time.
>> Yeah. Basically when they were talking to the DJ her boyfriend's roommates they
kind of discovered this whole thought of well one of the things that they were calling Xanax was Xany.
>> Mhm. And so when it became Xany the nanny, like you just kind of put two and two together.
>> So George believes that he's that Casey's been medicating uh Kaye to to put her out from time to time and
probably doing this for quite some time leading up to the little girl's death and that he believes that she
accidentally overdid it that day, right? >> And she panicked and had to get rid of
the body. And he says looking back on it, hindsight that there would be a lot of times that Kaye would sleep, you
know, sometimes 10 to 15 hours sometimes >> and sometimes that she'd wake up and
she'd be very groggy or that he saw dark, you know, rings around the eyes or dark spots around the eyes uh that he he
states that you wouldn't see or expect to see in a child of that age. So why would the two parents have such
different theories is what I immediately ask myself. And I think the only thing I
can come up with is that George, he left the house that day after Cindy did. He went [clears throat] to work after she
did. And he states that he saw Casey and Kaye leave the home together >> around 12 12:50 that afternoon. And
that's why I think their theories are so different that he knows in his heart that he saw the two of them leave that
day. He left for work and then he never saw his granddaughter again. And I think
that that that ultimately is the biggest difference. >> Well, I maybe that and I think the other
thing that's a big difference is I think through the history of things, he wasn't
he was getting tired of enabling Casey. >> Mhm. And I think I think especially when
you throw him under the bus and and your defense makes claims that you're sexually abused by your father. I think
at that point it's just I'm done. You know, >> my my granddaughter's done. I don't want
to live anymore. And then on top of this, I have to go through all that. >> I'm just done with this. I think he's
he's more able to try to see the truth than than Cindy is. Can I take you through my thoughts and my opinions on
the case? And >> yeah, the whole world's waiting. The whole garage is waiting here,
>> holding their breaths. Uh, so don't hold back. >> I'm going to I'm going to kind of go
through my thoughts on this case and what I believe to have happened and the trial itself kind of all at the same
time, but you know, starting off a little bit with the trial. Um, when the verdict first came down, I was as
shocked as anyone. Um, I ultimately believed that she was guilty. Um, and then, you know, I got to be full
confession. I only half paid attention to the trial at the time of the trial. It wasn't until we start started
researching this case that I really dove in deep. And the thing is, when I was half paying attention to it, I believed
her to be guilty from the time they marched her into the courtroom until the time they left. And then then when they
made the accusations against George, I thought you couldn't you couldn't get any more
low than than what had already took place and now you're dragging the rest of your family down with you. And so I
was as shocked as anyone. But when I looked into this thing a lot more, I was not shocked uh because of a few
different things. Uh first off, uh focus groups. Now, we know that in the OJ case
that the defense team used a focus group to kind of decide of what what people with what backgrounds do we want on this
jury. What jurors do we think will will like OJ? What jurors do we think will not like law enforcement, not like the
prosecution? And let's stack our jury with these people. Well, in this case, we had in Casey Anony's case, we had a
focus group. We had Jose Bayz and he worked with uh 2020 or 48 hours or one of those TV shows. They approached him
and they wanted to do a story on the case. This was before it went to trial and their thoughts was they wanted to
get the general public's reaction as to what they had heard so far about the case and whether they thought that Casey
Anthony was guilty or not. >> Right. Well, when this all went down, he was able to sit behind mirrored glass
and watch them interview these people and hear their responses to the different questions. He was able to pick
up on what concerns did these people have. And the smart thing that I think happened here was that the TV play the
TV show, whichever one it was, decided to kind of gather up all these people from Orlando, Florida. Well, there was
there would be no city in the rest of the United States that already pegged her as more guilty than Orlando,
Florida. So, he had this room full of people that believed her to be guilty. And he could figure out what was
important to them. What did they need to hear in the course of the trial to give
a not-uilty verdict. >> He learned that they didn't care so much about forensic evidence. that the the
people that they interviewed were more concerned with what was the cause of death and two the searches on the
computer at the Anthony home, >> right? >> And I think he used that to his advantage. The second thing here about
the defense and the trial was that the defense had two secret weapons that the prosecution and the public didn't even
know that the defense had on their side. >> Mhm. And those two things were George
and Cindy Anthony because the jury and the public saw these two grandparents as victims. And then when they put them on
the stand and they they pulled back the curtain, then we saw that they weren't telling the truth about certain things
as well. >> So now we have people that go from being victims to being liars to being people
that we cannot believe and we cannot trust. And that was a secret weapon for the defense. something that the
prosecution would have never seen coming. The thing here is Cindy the the some of the the lies on the stand.
>> She's almost coming to the defense of her daughter. >> Well, yeah. To save her daughter's life.
>> And there were some there's some weird weird things that I found almost strange
coincidences about some of those lies. Mhm. >> And one of them being is when she talked
about the search on the family computer, how she was the one that looked up chloroform, but she did it on accident
because she was actually looking up chlorophyll, >> right? >> And it came up chloroform. Well, why was
she look why would she bother looking up chlorophyll? Well, she had this bamboo root growing in her backyard that we
that we needed to get rid of or the dogs were eating bamboo leaves and we needed
to get rid of make sure that the dogs weren't going to get sick from this. And what was another lie that we saw that
Casey did during this the course of this whole missing thing? She went and borrowed a shovel from the neighbor to
remove a bamboo route from the backyard. Right. To me, that that made me wonder,
was that Cindy's way of kind of wink wink, nod nod, tip of the cap to her daughter who's watching her testify,
stating, "You know what? I'm going to get your back. I'm going to lie for you." And and almost queuing her to cue
the defense team, say, "Don't worry. My mom's got this. You don't have to you don't have to worry about this part of
the trial. She's she's covered this base." Well, but we also know that they had several conversations with each
other. >> Mhm. >> Bayz and Cindy. So, what what conversations took place? And when the
death penalty is on the table, I'm not going to put it past any parent to lie. And like I said, I physically get ill um
from from saying a lie. I don't know if if you know, one of my stepboys, you know, were on trial for I don't know
what I'd do. >> Well, the the other thing here, Captain, that worked very well for the def for
the defense and I think really threw the jurors off on what was going on at the trial was George Anony's reaction to the
allegations of sexual abuse against his daughter. The thing here is >> the situation is this, and the jurors
would not have known this in advance, but George and Cindy knew in advance that Jose Bayz was going to throw George
under the bus and then back the bus up and run him over again, >> right? >> They knew that. And they were told, you
know what, you're going to be in court that day when it happens and you need to stay calm. You need to stay stoic. You
just need to you just need to sit there and be and let it trickle off of you like rain, man. And what I think what I
think the jury saw was that no reaction from George because most people would have would if if those were allegations
against me and I was sitting in trial, I would have I would have jumped out of my
chair, man. You would have had to pull me and peel me off of the roof off of the ceiling. I would have been The
ceiling is the roofing. I would have been I would have been livid. I would have been li and he
wasn't. And but he was instructed not to be so. >> Right. Right. >> And the jury didn't know that. And and
this is where I have a problem with some of our court proceedings. You know, we state that if you are a witness, you are
not to be in the audience of the trial. >> But because they were the grandparents,
they were grant they were granted the privilege of being in that courtroom. I think what happened was that affected
justice for their granddaughter. Now, had you had you given them the opportunity to not be there, I don't
think they I I think they would have insisted on being there. >> I absolutely do.
>> Right. But they you know, their lies and and the stuff that the lies that they told on the
stand and the lies they told to so many people affected justice. Well, and I think that they would have stayed given
the, you know, if they were given the choice, which they were, but I don't think the choice should have been there,
first of all. I think they should not have been in the courtroom, but given the choice, I think they would have
stayed no matter what because it came off to me and and it's probably this way for most people. I don't know. I can't
speak for everybody, but what I saw was parents that wanted the truth as long as
it didn't give their daughter the death penalty, >> right? >> And again, we discussed it. Uh I don't
think that the state should have sought the death penalty. I think we might have
seen an ultimately a different outcome just if we wouldn't have sought the death penalty in this case.
Well, yeah. We we all hope the troll dies and burns in hell, but um it probably wasn't the smartest move.
>> Now, as far as what happened on that day, um I I think and I believe that and
this is probably worse than what most people believe. >> I I believe it was I actually believe it
was a planned murder. I I think that Casey thought about taking Kayle's life for months and at least days or even
weeks before March, the month of March, when she searched for chloroform on that
computer, >> right? Uh Kaylee died June 16th, almost three months after the search on the
family computer, when she couldn't wait any longer to free herself of the burden
of her daughter and the burden of her own parents that she chose to live with. Then long after she searched for
chloroform on the family computer, well, she then searched Googled foolproof suffocation on the family computer
because Casey knew if she tried and attempted but failed, not only would the little girl live, but she would tell her
grandparents what her mother had done. And not only that, but Casey would have had to look Kaye in the eyes knowing
what she had done. So she couldn't screw it up. Okay? >> And just like she worked so hard for two
years to maintain a lie and hide from her parents and hide from everyone else the fact that she did not have a job.
>> She studied long and thought hard how to kill that little girl. And so she took
the chloroform and knocked Kaye out. Then she took the duct tape and placed it over Kayle's mouth and nose. And the
chloroform served two purposes. One, the little girl didn't have to struggle as she suffocated and died. And two,
because Casey is such a selfish person, this is probably the main reason for the
chloroform, so that Casey would not have to struggle with Kaye when she was putting the duct tape on her. And so
Casey wouldn't have to hear or see her daughter struggling as she dies. So that Casey could put the tape on her face and
go into the other room as Kaye dies. And while she was waiting, Casey checks her
Facebook and her MySpace accounts. And while she's logged in, she changed both of her passwords to Timer 55 because I
believe timer 55 was a real thing. A very real thing. But it wasn't something that involved a fake nanny or a
kidnapping of Kaye. No. Timer 55 was a countdown. the countdown from the 55 days from the day she killed Kaye to the
day that she knew that she could no longer hide the missing dead baby from her grandparents because they would be
it would be the baby's third birthday and the grandparents would demand to see Kaye and so Casey now a free woman free
from her daughter which she considered to be a ball in chain and free from the watch and the rule of her parents.
>> She had 55 days to live it up. >> Wow. It's uh it's getting hot in the hot tub. Uh so you think it's just because
that Kaye was a burden? >> Oh, you mean the why? Well, I think the why is a lot harder than the how in this
case. Um I think the burden was part of it. Uh, I also obviously think that she didn't want to be with her parents
anymore. >> And I think she thought that Kaye was some kind of anchor keeping her to her
parents. Um, which the sad thing here is I really believe if she wanted to tap out that her parents would have taken
that baby for her >> and she could have she could have left. I firmly believe that that would have
been the case. Uh, I think for me definitely the how is a and why is two different things. Um,
>> part of me also wonders if, you know, it seems like there was a lot of >> a lot of butting heads, a lot of
battling between Cindy and Casey. Part of me wonders if she wanted to punish Cindy in in some way as well. For me, I
think the why that there's so many reasons that she thought that she should do this. And second of all, um I don't
think she's clinically crazy. I think she's criminally crazy. And I think trying to rationale with with crazy is
not nothing that we can do. There's we we can't come up with the reasons why she would do this.
>> Yeah. Well, I think she's a a sociopath. >> Mhm. >> Probably. And I think the I actually
think the why is pretty easy. Um, I don't think she ever wanted a kid. I think she felt pressured
to do so. She I think when people, you know, she came up with the lie, well, this guy was the
father and then he died several years later. And I think I don't know if she was
always a liar. I think she developed into this. And I think the more and more she had to be faced with reality that
she was just a loser. and she was just trying to get guys attentions or whatever and I was drunk at a party and
I really don't know who the father is so therefore I do not want to keep the baby
and then I'm going to make the up this fictitious story about this guy is the father but he died.
We know that's a lie. >> Mhm. And then you get engaged to a guy that you said was the father
and you you cut off that engagement. And the reason why was because she claimed that you love my daughter more than you
love me. >> Mhm. >> And then we see it again with the parents. The parents love the granddaughter more
than they loved you. Then we see it again with the new boyfriend. You start bringing around your daughter in the
beginning and the roommate claims and other people claimed everybody liked Kaye. Everybody
thought she was so smart. And then all of a sudden she's not coming around anymore. And I think the guy that she
was seeing was probably giving the daughter some attention like a normal human would.
And she couldn't deal with that. She she needed the attention and this individual that she made her daughter
always stole that limelight from her. >> Mhm. >> Because at the end of the day, Casey was
and will always be a piece of [ __ ] loser. M >> and I think that was the main motivation
was, you know, you know, everybody cares about this person more than me. And I think there's
more evidence of that in the the tapes, hours and hours of the prison footage where she's saying, "But what about me?
What about me?" >> Right? And I think part of Casey wanted to say, "I killed her and she's gone. Let's make
this about me." And I I I'm believe in your theory. Uh the what George Anthony says I I buy most of
it and I believe that she one of my big frustrating questions was before the actual murder
when you're drugging. I don't think this was the first time she ever drugged her
with something but I believe that Zany the nanny was giving your daughter drugs to make her sleep. And I think sometimes
she was sleeping at the grandparents house. And I think sometimes that poor little girl was sleeping in the back of
a car, maybe even the trunk of a car. And I So that search that day of strangulation,
there's no doubt in my mind that it was not an accident. It wasn't I just gave her too much and she died.
>> Mhm. You know, George saw her that night. I think she she she said, "Look, I'm not going
to keep doing this. I'm not going to keep drugging her. I'm just going to get rid of her together as a problem." So, I
think me and your um theories are pretty similar on this one. I like your thoughts on that. That that that at one
time in Casey Anony's life, she was the nucleus of her world and then when Kaye came along, well, there was a new
centerpiece of the world and it wasn't her anymore and it was the centerpiece of her world and everyone that existed
within Casey's world, >> right? >> And she couldn't handle that, >> right? And the where we differ is on the
why she got off. >> Mhm. >> And I believe what the prosecution says. Somebody that was close to this case
knew the evidence. All this evidence was out in the public's eyes. >> Mhm. >> And I think they had a bunch of
individuals. The only individuals that they could get on this case on this trial were individuals that were
indecisive going in, >> right? For to fill the jury pool, >> right? which makes a lot of sense cuz
you have to it has to be fair. But if but when all the information is pretty much out there in the open and you're
going in indecisive, just hearing the same story with maybe a few extra details added in here or there
is not going to change your mind. I think they went in indecisive and they left indecisive. Mhm.
>> And I think these little tiny things of them going, "Well, we didn't know where
the murder took place or you couldn't tell me exactly what happened." You know, she's lucky that Kaye wasn't found
sooner because I think a couple key pieces of forensic evidence would have, you know,
put her in the electric chair. >> Oh, yeah. 100%. And the worst thing about all this is that this little girl
doesn't get to grow up. Kaylee doesn't get to grow up and become something and contribute to the world. Um, you know,
cuz you can't pick your parents. >> And it's sad. And I feel for the the Anthony family, everybody that was
involved. I know sometimes it makes it seem like we're throwing certain people under the bus, but I feel for them
overall. and uh you know then but then Casey comes out uh recently and says, "Well, here I'm going to do an interview
and I'm actually going to tell you I don't know what happened. I'm not even going to come up with another lie
because everything I come up with the is not the truth." And then the troll wants
to say, "Oh, by the way, I sleep fine at night." Well, that's because you're a sociopath. And just because a handful of
people that were indecisive and couldn't make up their mind said that you're not
guilty, I think in the public's eyes, the public got it right. >> Yes. And we would all sleep better at
night if we would have gotten a guilty verdict. >> And all I can say is I can't I can't
stand this troll no more. Troll trial is over. >> Thank God. How about some recommended
reading, Captain? >> Yes, sir. This week we are recommending Dangerous Behavior by Nancy Bush. Some
couples are too good to be true. One look and it's clear they're perfect together. It's in the way they touch,
talk, and kiss. They share the same interest, the same twisted passions. They do everything together, even kill.
Uncover the deadly secrets hiding behind perfection in Dangerous Behavior, the latest high suspense thriller by New
York Times best-selling author Nancy Bush. Dangerous Behavior is available now everywhere. books are sold. And for
more information, visit kensingtonbooks.com or nancybush.net. Thank you guys so much for letting us be
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July 15, 2008 - Orlando, Florida- a two year old girl is reported missing. Her grandparents have just tracked down their daughter Casey but their granddaughter Caylee is nowhere to be found. During the course of this evening it is revealed that the little girl has been missing now for 31 days. The mother says she left the baby with the nanny but she won't give her back. Today we review what has often been called the biggest case in America since the OJ Simpson case.

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses the Casey Anthony trial verdict, parental theories, and defense strategies impacting the case outcome.

Key points

Casey Anthony Verdict. The jury acquits Casey Anthony of first-degree murder and aggravated manslaughter charges.
Casey Anthony's Sentencing. Judge sentences Casey to one year in jail for providing false information to law enforcement.
Death Threats to Jurors. Several jurors received death threats after the trial, highlighting the case's intensity.
The Drowning Theory. Cindy Anthony believes Kaye drowned in the pool, leading to a panic response from Casey.
George's Drug Theory. George suspects Casey was medicating Kaye, leading to her accidental overdose.
The Trial's Secret Weapons. The defense leveraged the grandparents' victim status, turning them into unreliable witnesses.

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