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rainbow obsidian yeah and I'm and I'm drinking water it is I brought my ghost chalice up with me I wish I could tell
you that was a lie she's not joking Mikey found a ghost chalice it's a chalice chalice with Papa that I'm gonna drink
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Brad ugly uh but let's get into you know this is all fun and games let's get into
the really awful thing that we're going to talk about did you do that on purpose
fun and games I didn't but glad it happened but it's one of those things sorry I was stalling smile
because it happened so this case is called often referred to as the World's End murders which is very
chilling sounding there's a place called World's End in Boston I think there you
go there's also one in Scotland it's like a weird Island thing oh yeah I mean it's a do you know this is I was gonna
say it sounds familiar yeah my friends went one time and I didn't go with them because I was being a [ __ ] but
I thought they were being a [ __ ] yeah odds are odds are but anyways is this the one in Scotland this is the one in
Scotland okay this is probably cooler in the United States so back in October of
1977 we're gonna be talking about two 17 year old victims Christine Eady and Helen Scott
they had met some friends and we're gonna get into the whole story but at the time they had met some friends that
the world ends Pub in edinburgh's Old Town neighborhood um it was basically a normal night it
was a normal night but they were selling celebrating something kind of exciting in their lives and as Closing Time came
around their friends moved on to go to a party somewhere else and Christine and Helen started chatting with two men all
right they ended up leaving that night and never being seen alive again oh no so let's talk about who Helen and
Christine are Helen Scott was born in 1960 to parents Margaret and Maureen Scott
she was the fourth child in the family and that included two older half-sisters and a brother Kevin who was one year
older or excuse me one year younger after Helen was born the whole family moved to an Edinburgh suburb known as
the Thomaston district and Moraine was an engineer with British Telecom and he ended up getting trans transferred there
for work that's why they ended up moving and according to an author and former police officer on this case Tom Wood he
said quote Helen was part of a close and loving family this was truly a family who loved each other like this was a
safe place this was a family who encouraged her in every way they wanted to nurture her big bright personality
that she had and they really instilled a self-confidence that allowed her to really flourish in her early years in
primary school and become a really great young woman that's awesome like this was
truly one of those families that you're just like [ __ ] like that they they love
each other that's a happy house that's a safe house that's they're doing it right
and it was in the early mid 1960s that Helen started attending high school and she did so at edinburgh's fur Hill High
School I believe it's how you say it okay the school only had about a thousand students in high school
and it was a largely working class section of Edinburgh and like most teenagers this is when Helen started
coming into her own she was Finding what she was interested in she was really developing a love of fashion clothing
you know makeup music films like she was really establishing who she was at this
point and despite being slightly underage at the time she was 17 and the drinking age in Scotland is 18. yeah she
was there um as they reached their mid to late teens Helen and her friends had really
no trouble getting into the clubs and some of the pubs in Edinburgh especially the less Vigilant ones yeah and by their
senior year they were kind of regulars at some of them like the spider's web which was a pub in the city center oh
cool what a fun name for a pub yeah the spider they had a lot of cool names for pubs here and they're like the pubs here
just look cool these old streets and they just look like a pub and like they have history
like you look in there and you're like oh that place is haunted as [ __ ] yeah and it's going and it's definitely not
the same here like historical was but in Boston we have a few streets that are super super old obviously and those the
the places on those streets are out there like the Cobblestone is still visible the one where we went to the
other night yeah it just always has like a different vibe to it it's almost like
you can feel the history yeah it just feels different yeah but Helen was a great kid she just was like she was a
good kid she was a good teenager a good young woman during her high school year she got a solid reputation as a very
reliable and trustworthy babysitter around her neighborhood wow good for her she was great with kids and she often
babysat for her older half-sister's two children and because she spent so much time around kids and really really
enjoyed it she had an interest in pursuing a career in child care wow so she had officially made the decision to
start night classes to start going down that Professional Road in 1977. oh that's awful now at the time she had
just gotten a new job we're working at a kilt shop on Princess Street in edinburgh's like main shopping district
Princess Street a kilt shop on Princess Street Dreams so she was celebrating getting this new job when she went out
on October 15th oh she had gone with her friend Christine Edie who had also just
got a new job so they were like hell yeah working girls look at us now Christine Edie had also attended for
Hill High School with Helen they met there in their first year and they immediately became great friends I can
see why yeah Christine was from a very similar background and she had actually been raised by her maternal grandmother
in Collington Mains green Edinburgh and it seemed like Christine was a very normal and kind teenage girl and her
grandmother did literally everything she could to make sure that she had everything she needed and that included
having a very stable and very loving household and environment to live in sounds like my grandma right Christine
was known to be very confident very kind she was very outgoing she was independent she could take care of
herself because again her grandmother had instilled that in her yeah like she had taught and felt like she had given
her that strength to be confident they sound like a couple of bad bees right and she was ready to take life literally
by the horns and her grandmother supported her every step of the way at the time of her death she had moved into
a new apartment with some friends actually and was really enjoying the freedom and Independence that came along
with it now upon graduating from Fairhill High School Christine took a job with the Department of Education
before getting a new job that of October as a typist with a chartered accounting
firm in Edinburgh okay on the evening of October 15th she had agreed to join Helen and a couple of other friends some
newer friends for a pub crawl to celebrate their new jobs yeah that's like so normal yeah you know like how
many times have you gotten a text like Hey we're going out tonight want to come oh yeah head out this was like every
other time they had gone out but this was just they just had something to celebrate right so October 15 1977 like
we said very normal evening for them Helen met her friend Jackie Inglis at Jenner's store which was a few doors
down from the shop she worked on at on Princess Street they were also really good friends since Primary School
actually oh wow and this was something that they often did together so for um but for a night of celebrating a new
job it felt a little more special so they got together first and the two of them stopped at the Mount Royal Hotel
for a drink and then around 8pm they met Christine and their new friend Tony kivlin at wee Wendy's which was a pub on
the Royal Mile in which is edinburgh's like Main Street main drag yeah now they went to a few more pubs along the Royal
Mile and made their way to High Street in the old town District now shockingly Old Town district is the oldest part of
Edinburgh well I know that's insane the name doesn't give away the lead so it's old so it is just a spider web of
streets and alleys and tall buildings like you know old streets are always wildly put together and there's not
great lighting because of the old and Tom Woods says that there's a gloomy effect because of this which I think
sounds great among the businesses that were on in the old town District at the time were a
number of the Cities what they described as more Gothic darker drinking holes okay thank you
again I was gonna say that sounds awesome sounds right up your alley and this included what would be the girl's
Final Destination for the evening which was the World's End pub on High Street okay again sounds so [ __ ] awesome I
know so around 10 p.m they arrived at the World's End pub and they all took over a space near the back of the bar
next to a pay phone it was busy there that evening so they had to stand and wait for a table to become available and
apparently Christine and Helen got some whiskeys and apparently they were kind of at each other a little oh really more
whiskeys they had they kind of started it was like Petty arguing it wasn't like they were like fighting you know like
teenage girl [ __ ] like they were just annoying each other I think they're just
like shut up sometimes your best friend annoys you honestly she's not your best friend if you don't like both be like
[ __ ] off exactly now Apparently one of the biggest ones that they got into like
arguments they got into was when Helen used the pay phone to call a boy she liked this boy was in Cold Stream and
Christine made a comment about her having to call him on a pay phone because he didn't have a real phone at
home Helen found that comment pretty classist and she didn't like it because she likes
this boy so she doesn't want to hear it don't [ __ ] on your friends so she ended
up storming out of the pub because of it and said that she was done for the night
she was like [ __ ] you man oh I hate that this was their last night's been together well don't worry because
apparently Jackie ran after her and convinced her to stay for another drink and by the time she had convinced her to
come back inside I guess the rest of the group had secured a little table and they were joined with a couple of
friends that they'd run into at the bar as well and in statements that were given to police
in the following days people at the World's End that night told investigators that Helen and Christine
were quote at the heart of the crowd engaged in animated conversations and were happy and smiling okay so whatever
they had been through in the beginning they were at each other a little bit they got over it and they were just like
[ __ ] it very classic best friend teenage girl we've had a couple of whiskeys a little bit and then we just go [ __ ] it
I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry let's have a good night so they were over okay good yeah I'm glad that they got over it I
know because when I first read this I was like I really don't want it to end this way and it's like I don't want to
attend at all but I was like I don't want you to have that that last like you know bitterness with each other you know
so some of the friends began drifting away from the table as the night went on and finally it ended up being back to
the four core women that had started and it was nearing last call and Jackie and
Tony decided they had to go to the restroom and when they came back they saw that Helen and Christine had been
joined at the table by two men that they'd never seen before hate hate hate live entirely later when speaking to
police Jackie described one of the man as unremarkable which I was like sick burn they usually are and he's she said
that one looked like he was in his late 20s medium height quite stocky but he had piercing brown eyes she said he was
dressed in basically you know 1970s style he was wearing a brown and white striped bell bottom pants in a brown
v-neck shirt and a jersey you know like very 70s and the other man was described
as being pretty much the same height same age as the first guy with short wavy hair a thick mustache and a fresh
complexion ah I don't know what that means he was drinking three liters a day there you go now they said it appeared
that the four were hitting it off like they were laughing with each other having a nice conversation so Jackie and
Tony went to the bar and chatted with some friends there because they were like we're gonna let him have a moment
yeah I think they're they seem to be having fun these friends that they were chatting with at the bar invited them to
another party elsewhere so Jackie and Tony checked in with Christine and Helen at the table and were like hey we got
invited to this other party do you guys want to come with us and Christine said no thanks
Helen either didn't answer or Jackie didn't hear it she said she didn't hear Helen answer now as she left the bar
Jackie said she turned around and looked back at her friends who were just getting another round of whiskey served
to them by the two men and she said should they look she looked at them and then she turned back to Tony and off
they went to the party and that was the last time she saw them that's awful now later that night just after the Bars
were closing apparently two police officers were patrolling the High Street area just on a normal Patrol and they
spotted two women and two men leaving the world's end after last call as they left the building the police
officer said that one of the girls tripped and was actually helped to her feet by The Other Woman
the officer said they could hear the two girls kind of bickering a little bit about how they were going to get home
and one of the men said I'll give you a ride so in their statement to investigators the patrol officer said
that one of the girls sounded very uncomfortable with the idea of getting in a car with a stranger yeah
but the other friend was convincing her and telling her everything would be all right oh no now the light was low and
they weren't really close to these this group of people to get a really good look so they said they couldn't say for
sure that it was Helen and Christine and these two guys if they were pretty sure
that was it and if it was then these two were the last two people to see Helen and Christine alive okay
now on the morning of October 16th Maureen and Margaret Scott Helen's parents were wreck
Helen had not returned home the night before and she had never stayed out all night without telling them Margaret
literally stayed up all night just worrying about her and just fearing for the worst oh no that same morning Derek
and Ruth Taylor just random couple left their home to drive to East Lothian for a picnic on
the beach in long nidtree I believe it is romantic you know afterwards they were planning to walk on the beach
together like a very cute afternoon so off they went they enjoyed a nice lunch together on the beach and then they went
into the they went into their walk after that and after walking about a half an hour they reached a spot called Gosford
beach around 2PM Derek looked ahead of them down the beach and saw what he said he thought
was a Tailor's dummy Lying by the high water Mark it's never a dummy never it's never a mannequin so they walked closer
to it and realized this was not a dummy it was a human being and it ended up being the deceased body of Christine
Eady oh no she was lying bound and gagged on her back oh my God the couple ran to Gosford house which was right on
the way and it was very close to them and called the police to report it a few hours later John McKenzie was out
walking his dog through a field in haddington which was five or six miles from Gosford Beach weird he also saw
what he assumed was a Taylor's dummy lying in the field when he walked towards it he too realized it was the
dead body of a human it was Helen Scott oh now Helen they were separated and that's what's so it's scary Helen's
hands were tied behind her back with what he thought was a chord and John reported he believed she was nude from
the waist down but someone had placed a black woman's coat across her torso and head
now John McKenzie ran home to get his car and he drove to the police station to report everything
it actually took a little time for them to make the full identifications for both the women but police very quickly
noted that there were similarities between these two scenes it was first strange that two teenage girls were
found at the same time essentially miles apart in very similar positions yeah but
both girls had been bound at the wrist with an item of her their clothing and gagged with their underwear oh God
that's brutal they'd each been sexually assaulted beaten and strangled but had two they'd um the difference between the
two was the method of strangulation each was unique Christine appeared to have been
strangled manually but Helen had quote an imprint left by a stocking which had been tied around Helen's neck and four
bruises left by fingers under her jaw and a row of horizontal scratches in front of and behind her ear
hmm something patterned they said was what made this happen Okay so the news began reporting it quickly and after
hearing a report on the news about a body being found on the beach Maureen Scott called the police oh no and
reported his daughter missing he was told that they had no information on the identity but they would contact
him as soon as they knew more I can't imagine hanging up that phone just having to wait and being like is this my
child's is this my child on the news oh so he said later Marine said later on we learned
there had been another person found and then we had a phone call from the police
it's so awful and then their fear was confirmed when a few hours later a police officer showed up at their door
carrying Helen's black coat oh God Maureen said they brought Helen's clothing and they told us they assumed
it was her that they had been that they had found but she had to be identified by someone from the family
no thank you I can't imagine having to do that it was Maureen who had her father had to go down and identify her
at the morgue as recent as last year detective Sergeant Douglas Kerr talked about this
case he was on this case and he's just talked about how much Helen's parents reaction affected him he talked about
how he had unfortunately delivered many death notices in his career to loved ones but he said but this case has lived
with me all my life I can still see the look of Anguish and Devastation on the face of Mr Scott as he looked on the
body of his beloved daughter about the case he also later said this particular inquiry was unique in the
fact that these two lovely girls had been taken away tied up and brutally murdered and sexualized and discarded
like a bundle of rags it was a horrible crime it was something that in all my 37
years in total in the Police Service I never came across at any other time wow now identifying Christine eadie's body
was to be a bit more challenging for detectives because she had moved into an apartment like I said a few months
earlier so her absence wasn't like immediately discovered and reported right she would eventually be identified
by her mother Margaret Craig oh wow who'd last seen her daughter the day before she went out with the friends at
the World's End pub oh okay but they didn't live together so it wasn't an immediate like she's not coming home
so their autopsies showed that they had been brutalized whoever did this was an animal they had died of forms of
asphyxiation with injuries showing that they had been throttled and choked with ligatures around their necks God
according to the Courier and Advertiser paper Dr Robert Nagel who completed the autopsies testified later that Christine
had pinpoint hemorrhages abrasions scratches a ligature track around the neck bruising to her mouth and pressure
marks on her upper thighs her cause of death was noted as asphyxia due to strangulation with the ligature
and by gagging of the mouth wow they were gagged with their underwear so she is fixated by being gagged with
her own underwear that's so so horrific and Helen's injuries were much the same but also she had an injury that was due
to a shoe stomping on the left side of her head oh my God and both young women had been sexually assaulted oh no I knew
you were gonna say that yep so the horrific discovery of Christine and Helen's body sent shock waves
through this small community because it was just outside of Edinburgh this again
that high school was like a thousand people like this is a small place yeah and it actually happened only a few days
after another woman had been found murdered in Falkirk she was discovered in bushes with a bag over her head what
and everyone was pointing out that the murder seemed similar to the unsolved Bible John murders that had happened in
Glasgow oh [ __ ] yeah and that was only a few years earlier right and many locals
were thinking another serial killer was around can you imagine just coming off of that like and now this happens right
and it's unsolved at this point now the deputy chief Constable Tom Woods told the guardian because of the nature
of the victim's complete innocence and because of the nature of their death and because there were two of them it was a
shocking shocking crime the sort of thing didn't happen here the police force was not equipped for a double
homicide or a serial killer oh no so the investigation into both murders became under the control of detective
superintendent George McPherson he quickly placed a commanding officer in East Lothian and another in Edinburgh
and investigators were now going to retrace Christine and Helen's movements the night before at World's End so they
began interviewing as many patrons of the World's End as they could just in an effort to track down leads eliminate
potential suspects anything they could get based on their interviews the investigators were able to make it like
a big map of the Pub's interior and they used time logs and people's memory to place each Patron in their position
Missions at the bar that night which is like they really went for it yeah I was gonna say that was smart detectives
quickly learned that after Jackie and Tony had left the World's End Christine and Helen were joined by two men who
they were also seen leaving with a little after 11 p.m the descriptions that were given to them by patrons at
the World's End and Jackie and Tony they matched pretty well so they were like these are the same guys right
um and apparently they were seen leaving in a dark colored car near Gosford Beach
a little before 3 30 a.m the day of a murder the same description oh um so they were assuming these are all
the same guys it at the very least it was a wild coincidence right so the fact that the girls have been seen with two
men was enough to at least entertain the idea that there were more than one killer here but evidence of this is
there's more compelling evidence of this in the case well the different like methods of speculation for one they had
been taken and killed around the same time with the same ish methodology but they were found miles apart so each was
killed like we just said with a different method of strangulation and then the strongest bit of evidence for
the two killer theory was the knots used to bind the girl's hands oh Christine's
hands were bound with a reef knot something sailors use I guess oh okay um and Helen's hands were bound with a
figure eight binding also a forensic scientist Roger eyed later told the jury that the knots also
showed different dominant hands oh a lefty and a righty that's so interesting that you can tell that just from isn't
it interesting yeah like it must be the way one thing goes over another you do it with that hand right
wow interesting yeah similar differences were found in the ligatures around Christine and Helen's necks uh
Christine's killer definitely had a familiarity with Knotts and Helen's killer not super familiar okay so Dr
Roger eyed who we just talked about he was 72 in a forensic scientist he was also an expert on noths hell yeah he
testified also to the fact that Christine had very likely fought hard not to be tied up and it appeared that
Helen was likely unconscious when she was tied up or threatened into staying still right
Christine's wrists had been bound with tights like her own tights and one hand was tied and bound first and then the
other making it look like handcuffs okay and they said this indicated to them that she was fighting back and made it
very hard for them to bind her and like tie them together together and Helens were tied very close together in that
figure eight thing so that her hands were clearly together they believed she was probably unconscious especially
because she had a shoe Mark to the side of her head that yeah she even stomped right now the investigation started out
strong with nearly 80 full-time officers tracking down a ton of information by Witnesses the general public just
anybody they could talk to Tom Wood said there was a genuine mood of public outrage fanned by an active
and imaginative media there was a sense that this crime above all others was beyond belief it was the stuff of
American cop fiction not reality yeah now there was a lot of pressure as well to solve this crime as often happens in
these so detectives worked really hard to rule out Helen and Christine's male friends first but they also had to rule
out the suspects from The World's End pub as well right suddenly it occurred to investigators that despite the slight
differences in the description of the men seen with the two girls all were pretty dis consistent with describing
them as being well dressed and having short hair okay this was different Tom Woods was was quoted as saying in the
late 70s this was not typical for young men no not at all hair and straggly mustaches were still the rage right so
this fact LED detectives to wonder whether the suspects might be soldiers stationed at the military Garrison and
nearby Edinburgh Castle and one of them is good at knots exactly so a ton of time and energy was put into
interviewing all the soldiers that fit that criteria but unfortunately it turned up nothing well those I think
because one had like longer wavy hair yeah a little bit longer yeah now while detectives in ethylone East lithium I
can't find that I keep saying eth Lothian because yeah it's like your brain is getting ready to be Duluth East
Lothian um and Edinburgh worked around the clock to interview Witnesses and get leads and
crime scene technicians were also trying to find something from the evidence they
collected at both the scenes just something to to spark something in someone like anything and at the time
the Lothian and borders police had neither the resources or the experts really the skills yeah to properly
analyze the evidence so experts were being borrowed from the neighboring strathclyde police okay
um the mo at that point the most significant piece of forensic evidence that they got from either scene was
semen found on Helen's Scots coat oh this would be great evidence later yeah but was just cataloged in 1977 but hey
they got it good for them for cataloging they knew eventually this could be helpful right now at the time detectives
were hoping someone saw something somebody had to have seen something but the only real descriptions they were
getting was just the men in their clothing right which again were unusual so there was that a small team of
officers were dispatched at after they checked out like the military Garrison they went to the fashion districts in
and around Edinburgh with descriptions and artists renderings of what they were wearing hoping that they could find
somewhere where these men bought those clothes right Unfortunately they weren't really getting anything by the by mid
1978 what had begun as a very strong investigation and they were going full force it was kind of eroding into a
colder and colder case losing steam frustrated by any lack of progress and without literally anywhere to take this
case George McPherson the superintendent made the decision to shelve the case that may that name sounds so familiar it
does he made the decision to redirect the resources of the department okay but as
a cold case it was going to remain open but the investigation would still be ongoing but until a new lead or piece of
evidence came along they kind of just shut it down because they can't have that many people on it when it's not
they just redirected the resources so in 1988 10 years after the murder set occurred holy [ __ ] still hadn't found
who did it nothing the case had been actually shifted to the doll Keith criminal investigation Division I think
from what we could find uh it looks like it was just like because it they had to get it off their
their stuff like the reason for that was nothing more than just we had to clean house okay here you go it's your thing
yeah maybe they had more like resources maybe and they ended up being contacted by an inmate at Sutton prison in
Edinburgh and this inmate said that his cellmate had confessed to the killing of
Christine and Helen okay so the supposed confessing killer actually apparently seemed to have knowledge of the crimes
that hadn't been released to the public including how the bodies had been positioned so it gave a little
credibility yeah but when questioned the man denied ever having confessed and they didn't really have any evidence to
connect him to the crime so it was just dropped okay he was like I didn't confess to that oh right okay it's not
gonna come back I feel like that happens in a lot of these cases and they just never touch upon it again like it's just
like this inmate said that he did it and then he's like nah I didn't do that and
then he had information that we never released I'm like why did he know that exactly so additional claims kept coming
in throughout the late 1980s and early 1990s actually Oh no you're not gonna last that long including a lot of women
who called in and claimed their husbands ran out on them just after the murders happened and they thought that they were
the ones wow but none of those were lead damn it's really upsetting that that many women yeah that there was my
husband was capable of that right but another possibly promising lead came in early 1997.
yeah and this happened so that's 1977 is when this happened holy [ __ ] yeah so this is when a bunch of Underworld type
Figures were interviewed by the times like like gangster kind of figures like underworlds
but that's that's it that's what they are I know but it's just like it doesn't feel right coming from you but like I
love it because they're not like that you call the like like a mob type thing would be gangsters like oh no even when
you just say gangster and you're supposed to it's just funny I don't know I was like I was like I don't understand
I didn't want you to say Gangsta well no because it wouldn't make sense no that's
yeah but it's just funny but you know so these underworld gangsters were interviewed by the times and claimed
that the killer was actually an underworld figure known to be like a sexual monster yikes yeah according I'll
just kept that in for 20 years like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you they're underworld Gremlins themselves I know so
according to one of the informants the Killer is quote pure Beast yeah a few years ago he abducted the wife of a
friend of mine and the Beast kept her prisoner for a month he raped her repeatedly through that time yeah
so a police Source confirmed that the man in question was indeed a person of interest at the time of the murders
actually oh [ __ ] and he said he had been in the frame because he was a thoroughly
monstrous man at the time he was also known to frequent The World's End unfortunately it ended up being a dead
end it wasn't him are you kidding me and later they would confirm through DNA that it wasn't him uh did they check
into the guy I hope they took care of it yeah like I was like does he currently still have a prisoner because it's like
with this one you're like yeah that's awesome that it's not him I guess but like that sucks that he exists he's
still a problem right it's like he's he's a big old problem so I hope they took care of that but while the media
and the public were focused on you know theorizing about underworld gangsters and deadbeat husbands yeah police and
Dal Keith started getting more familiar with the science of DNA at this time we're in the 90s so we mentioned earlier
that among the few pieces of evidence collected during the first investigation there was semen covered on Helen Scott's
clothing unfortunately in 1977 like we said not of little use but very smart of them to
catalog catalog it by 1997 advances in science and technology had made it possible to not only identify a person
with you know certainty using their biological materials but it also made it possible to use those samples to prove
or disprove their involvement in a crime in 1988 a DNA profile was created from the semen sample but at the time all
they could get was the Killer's blood type but they were moving in the right direction okay now a decade later in the
90s there was more to be found from that sample and more was found from that sample during this time police and dull
Keith were eager to compare the new now more complete DNA sequence in that semen
to the DNA of men in the World's End on the night of the murders so the DNA profile was compared to over
200 samples taken from male patrons in the pub that night not one was a match what they also found no matches in the
hundreds of swabs taken from known Predators living in the area at the time it wasn't even hitting on any of the
1200 suspects flagged in the police national computer are you [ __ ] me right now yeah this was so frustrating
but luckily it wasn't for nothing because during this whole process they were able to use the DNA to discover
that while Helen and Christine were likely killed by two men one of those men sexually assaulted both
girls so there was likely two killers but one man raped both of those girls oh yeah
which was new information and shocking information yeah so after 18 months of back bending work
trying to get this DNA to NAB their killer they really weren't closer to finding him this is solved right it is
okay at a press conference held in March 1999 stop it we're nearing the 2000s right now dalkeith superintendent John
McGowan told reporters I'm disappointed for the families that we have not solved
these murders it's a mystery and it remains a mystery I hope one day that another detective will solve it
McGowan didn't know at the time but investigators would not have to wait for another detective to solve this case now
in the spring of 2001 A man named Angus Sinclair went on trial for the 1978 rape
and murder of a 17 year old girl named Mali gallacher in Glasgow Sinclair had a long criminal history and
a dated back to the late 1950s damn beginning with like you know home invasion house breaking charges in his
early teens and he escalated to sexual violence and child murder before he even entered his twenties holy [ __ ] yep
what's his name Angus Sinclair yep when he was 16 years old he lured his neighbor Catherine rihill who was only
seven years old into a stairwell where he sexually assaulted and strangled her oh my God he
then called an ambulance and told them a wee girl has fallen down the stairs why
called an ambulance oh he's a scary looking [ __ ] he was only given 10 years for that and served six
what at the time a psychiatrist who he was being forced to see had this to say about him and when he was 16 years old I
do not think that any form of psychotherapy is likely to benefit his condition and he will constitute a
danger from now onwards he is obsessed by sex and given the minimum of opportunity he will repeat these
offenses and they released him anyway what the f so they were just like yeah this psychiatrist literally said
therapy won't help him if you let him out he will 100 percent repeat these offenses and the justice system said let
him out I guess we'll see and then he was like yup and he did the same exact thing the therapists that like take the
time to first of all have to sit there and talk with these people and study these people and then write a report
like that must just feel so slapped in the face when the legal system's like yeah sorry because they're probably
gonna [ __ ] around and find out I guess and this psychiatrist is probably like yeah [ __ ] me right like I just have a
degree I just sat with this person for hours and hours on end and they're probably like why did you ask me to do
this in the first place like you just gave me nightmares and [ __ ] with my mental health for no [ __ ] reason to
totally disregard my feelings on this and also not for nothing now that person knows me like yeah and then like now in
their sentence yeah so after serving that joke of a sentence he was out got married to a wife Sarah
might I just say he has the yellowest fingernails I've ever seen in my life he's [ __ ] heinous don't worry he's
dead now die um he also had a son now he was thought to have also murdered Francis Barker 37 Hilda McCauley 36
Agnes Cooney 23 and Anna Kenny 20 years old all in similar ways to Helen and Christine they just weren't able to
prove it they were all left with ligatures of their own clothing just like Christine and Helen and it was all
around the same time and after Helen and Christine's murders he was identified by
a witness in the rape and murder of 17 year old Mary Gallagher right now after this he suddenly started raping because
after he got like a close call with Mary Gallagher he suddenly started raping and
assaulting children all over the area it's like he decided like I'm getting too close to getting caught with teenage
girls so I'm just gonna do it with children oh my God this guy is [ __ ] horrible
in fact later in 1982 when he was finally caught for the rape charges he said the amount of rapes he had
committed was probably in the hundreds Jesus Christ what the [ __ ] happened to this guy he was sentenced to life in
prison in 1982 when he got caught for the rapes oh wow so he was in prison when they found out yeah so he was known
to police in Edinburgh at the time of Christine and Helen's murders in 1977 when he was not in prison obviously and
he was but he was never considered a suspect that's interesting I wonder why it's wild in fact despite his having
provided a DNA sample in 1999 when he was arrested for the Gallagher murder you're [ __ ] me it wasn't until 2004
that his profile was flagged as being a match why did it take for the unknown DNA in
the semen found in the World's End how does that happen it must have just like an oversight yeah I have no idea it
takes forever but and in the beginning I'm sure it took a lot longer but by the time Dahl Keith detectives
made the match with Angus Sinclair for the semen found on the code so now we know he's the one who raped both those
girls yeah Angus Sinclair had been tried and convicted at this point for the Gallagher murder and was serving a life
sentence at peterhead prison and that's where he had been serving since he was convicted for three rapes
in the 1990s so this man was just he was just his cup overflow us with prison sentences with nasty chillingly through
their investigation detectives began to see Sinclair developing many like they watched
through his history where he developed a lot of the elements that became evident
in the Edie and Scott murders like sexual assaults committed with a partner which he did beginning in the OR at an
early age and his method of strangulation and abuse was was also present in the Gallagher murder and he
was like really honing these skills right and was it the same partner the whole time so it was definitely this guy
for at least a couple of them okay and we'll talk about who he is I was gonna say who the [ __ ] is this guy that like
yeah has no conscious whatsoever so they didn't want to tip Sinclair off to their
investigation or alert the public to the suspect before they were ready to really
nail him so Dahl Keith detectives worked very quietly but many journalists and crime reporters
had contacts within law enforcement by May of 2004 and so the tabloids started reporting that Sinclair was the top
suspect in the world Zen killings so hoping to get ahead of them police held a press conference in Edinburgh that
month and they told reporters that they had been alerted to Sinclair through the
science of DNA and were looking at his possible connection to at least seven unsolved murders in the area
though they didn't at that time reveal any of the names of the victims like it was pretty obvious who they were talking
about yeah following that press conference journalists from a ton of Scottish and British news outlets a lot
of them tabloids put the pieces together and concluded that Sinclair was definitely one of the two men who had
killed Christine Eady and Helen Scott so the other big task was now finding the identity of the second suspect they had
a DNA profile but nothing to compare it to so they looked to Sinclair and they just built the case around him looking
to his friends his family his associates anybody around him to be like who's this
person he obviously knows them yeah of course it was tough because Sinclair had spent a lot of time in prison since the
early 80s so there was a little bit of a gap in his social life and after working
closely with forensic scientists detectives discovered that the second semen sample had quote come from the
same paternal line as the five brothers of Sarah Hamilton Angus Sinclair's wife so his brother-in-law mm-hmm why now
like I said they're claiming that he that Angus was the one who raped both girls but they do believe that this
other suspect had something to do with it because they were able to find DNA from him right from that point it was
simply a matter of probability because they have narrowed it down with familiar familial DNA of the five Hamilton
Brothers only one Gordon Hamilton was unaccounted for his [ __ ] brother-in-law got so
Twisted nearly certain that their second suspect was Gordon Hamilton his wife's brother
detectives were pretty disappointed because they found out that Gordon Hamilton had died in 1996. I hope it was
really [ __ ] awful for him so he was never going to be held accountable for this crime wow that's really really
[ __ ] makes me angry but as much as that sucked investigators needed to confirm
his DNA was a match for the profile they had which was a little difficult Hamilton's body had been cremated of
course they could not exhume him yeah I wonder why that was his [ __ ] way yeah exactly so detectives determined a
personal possession would be probably the next best thing they could get Unfortunately they quickly found that
Gordon Hamilton was a very difficult man to pin down and even his family members
didn't really have any of his possessions or items that really could give them a biological sample would want
them after months of dead ends Edinburgh detectives had to get kind of creative so they located a house Hamilton had
worked on many years earlier and after getting permission to do a thorough search of the house from the homeowners
investigators found a small section of like this some kind of stripping in the house that contained a trace of
Hamilton's DNA oh [ __ ] and despite the relatively small size of the sample they
were able to successfully match the sample to the DNA that they had collected 1977. proving conclusively
that Gordon Hamilton was the second killer in the World's End case even though he was dead they did look
into his background because they were like what the [ __ ] and they discovered he was raised in a pretty large Scottish
Scottish family where the father was very domineering and very violent the children all came out of the home with
addiction struggles a lot of criminal Tendencies a product of their environment yeah so of course only a
couple of his siblings were even willing to talk to police right angus's wife Sarah and a younger brother were really
the only ones that were willing to talk to them and it was through the younger brother
that investigators learned Gordon had begun his criminal careers with Angus Sinclair which included acts of violence
and theft occurring before and after the Edie and Scott murders what's crazy is this was apparently a surprise to some
people who knew them like they were like wow I didn't see that for them what like yeah and yeah
like they were like wow they were violent that's crazy and it's like they were the most violent right sorry I
didn't mean Scott yeah it's wild but together they were brutally violent they had not only committed the rape and
murder of Edie Scott but also a home invasion robbery the year prior where they robbed and viciously beat a man and
his daughter as well as their landlord holy [ __ ] they were [ __ ] what are they doing monsters were they like on
[ __ ] no they were just say just are evil they just are [ __ ] by the time detective
sat down to interview Angus Sinclair in October of 2004 they had assembled a pretty vivid picture of his personal in
criminal history as well as that of Gordon Hamilton yeah in addition to the murders of Christine Edie and Helen
Scott they were now even more convinced that he was involved in the unsolved murders of Anna Kenny Matilda McCauley
and Agnes Cooney um and as well as tons of other assaults I bet so Sinclair denied any connection
to Gordon Hamilton or the murdered girls just spent the interview sessions trying
to intimidate or like like assert dominance over the interviewer kind of thing dude you're in prison for the rest
of your life shut up and tell us what happened and when he couldn't intimidate them he quote according to Tom Wood he
used all sorts of a tricks to exasperate interviewing officials to the point where they lost any chance of obtaining
meaningful progress what a douchebag he was a steel trap he wouldn't say anything Angus Sinclair had spent nearly
three decades in a long-term very serious relationship with the justice system and he was essentially a
professional Criminal by the time investigators got to him in 2004 right so of course detectives were
unsuccessful in getting any useful information or even so much of a hint of emotion from him about it fortunately
they felt they had more than enough physical evidence to get a conviction and on January 26 2006 Angus Sinclair
was indicted for the murders of Christine Eady and Helen Scott good I'm glad he had to face the justice system
even because like you know when they're sometimes you're like are they gonna try
it or oh no they did and he entered no plea I didn't even know that was an option
yeah he just said no thank you the trial of Angus Sinclair for the murder of Christine and Helen began at the high
court in Edinburgh on August 27 2007. wow Sinclair of course he said he was innocent maintained his innocence
and lodged a special defense incriminating his brother-in-law Gordon Hamilton I thought you guys had no
connection yeah all of a sudden he knows the special defense said that if any sexual relations took place they did so
with consent [ __ ] right off so he was just trying to explain away the the semen found at the
scene he was like we had sex consensually crazy that you're in here though for uh rape and murder that's
weird and I love that he was like if if there's any any DNA found or any of me found there just know that it was
consensual it's like oh so you don't even know you're just like I'm just covering my bases here
now among the witnesses heard in the first few days of the trial was Helen's father who told the jury of being
informed of his daughter's death and Jackie Thompson who recounted the girls night out that
ended with her leaving her two friends at the bar apparently in the company of Sinclair in Hamilton
also on the witness stand was John Rafferty who was one of the police officers who'd seen Christine and Helen
with the two suspects outside the world's end according to Rafferty's testimony he'd been he'd been helping
Christine off the ground after she'd Fallen when he noticed a Shifty man watching him
he said I assumed he was with the girls so this was another police officer and he told the jury he wasn't making any
kind of eye contact he was looking away from me you get the impression when you're a police officer that some people
don't like police officers and the way this chap was looking at me he didn't like police officers yeah but now also
on the stand with Sinclair's now former wife Sarah I was hoping you were going to say that because you kept saying wife
and I was like she legally separated she was like bye [ __ ] good and she told the
jury she married her husband in 1970 and they had a pretty decent marriage she didn't have a lot of like she was like I
wasn't abused it wasn't like I did not expect you to say that she was like that's why she was like this really
[ __ ] me up as soon as you brought her up in my head I was like oh my God I can't imagine what that poor woman went
through according to her that's why she was so shocked right because she was like I this wasn't like oh I could see
him doing this but that's the thing that happens like yeah like btk's wife oh yeah like what there's plenty of them
it's so sad and it's so scary to think that that's how they walk them up yes they can just shape-shift so scary I
will but she also told the jury that her husband and brother Gordon would often go on weekend fishing trips in the
couple's Toyota hiace car and I think it's a caravanette which I've never seen it's like a caravan but like little but
a net um but he that was believed to be the vehicle that the girls were transported
in oh wow um but that vehicle had since been sold and scrapped huh now the investigators found what they
believed were fibers from the carabinet upholstery on Helen Scott's coat they didn't have it to match but they could
at least make a an assumption right but without an interior to match it too it was pretty circumstantial if even that
now the trial was moving along as expected and the prosecutor Alan McKay gave his closing remarks
and it was all thrown into turmoil on the 10th day the judge halted the proceedings and suddenly dismissed the
charges citing insufficient evidence I'm sorry what in his statement judge Lord Clark said there was no forensic
evidence to link the accused to the items used to kill the girls I'm not satisfied that the evidence relied on by
the crown can overcome that absence of crucial evidence like what about the semen though yep but remember he's
claiming we had consensual sex this [ __ ] is already convicted of rape and murder the decision
outrage to the families investigators prosecutors the prosecutors really thought they had
a strong case because they did I was just going to say because they [ __ ] did but because the jury was barred from
several key pieces of evidence including Sinclair's DNA on the ligature used to kill both women
the only remaining evidence was the semen and Sinclair claimed they had his consensual sexual encounter that does
not prove I killed her except that your DNA is on the ligature they even brought
up and this is like pretty graphic but I think it's important to show you how [ __ ] up this is because they found
evidence in the autopsy of trauma sexual trauma absolutely I'm sure and they had
the [ __ ] nerve in this trial to be like well can you really say that that's rape or could it just be from oh they
use the rough the rough sense thing literally anybody that uses that defense go [ __ ] yourself yeah truly like
honestly yeah from the bottom of my heart [ __ ] yourself truly but yeah they so they they barred a lot
of evidence the only one allowed was the one that Sinclair was claiming consensual you can't prove that I killed
her with that I'm unfortunately at its core yeah you can't prove that she that he
killed her with with that piece of evidence if we're looking at it in a legal pinpointed thing but it's like yeah then
why are we barring the evidence that shows that he killed her that was evidence on the ligature that's the
thing we're relying on one piece of evidence when we have several you're allowing the piece of evidence in that
says he was there at the very least and that something occurred barring the piece of evidence that clearly shows he
killed her but I'm like what did you even have to gain from dismissing this case if anything it's like an outrage
it's an outrage and by dismissing the charges against Sinclair the judge basically ensured that double jeopardy
laws protected him from ever being held responsible for the deaths of Christine Edie and Helen Scott [ __ ] this judge so
the decision by judge Lord Clark to return a verdict of no case to answer outraged literally everybody yeah but
then everybody started blaming each other for the decision police officers were blaming the prosecutor the public
blamed the police blaming each other I'm like blame that [ __ ] that's the judge he made the
final call like you guys all worked up there because you guys all work together to get that evidence to get it into
trial he's the [ __ ] that says what what goes and what doesn't go [ __ ] him it's like you all did your job
he didn't do him like do you have a daughter sir like can you imagine if they do you have a cousin do you have a
woman that you love in your life yep can you imagine so following the decision by the judge a
spokesperson for the Lothian and borders police released a statement to the press
and said there have been numerous reviews of the brutal murders of Christine Edie and Helen Scott over the
past 30 years and we have always taken very careful steps to review all the evidence which have been kept since the
bodies were found on October 16 1977. we put together a thorough and detailed case for the crown office to take to
trial and today's announcement is disappointing to say the least the prosecutor's office
responded with their own statement essentially claiming that the DNA evidence that links Sinclair to the
ligatures was not collected or analyzed by forensic experts from the prosecutor's office and therefore a
decision was made to exclude it from the evidence presented to the jury [ __ ] that
they said the crown considered that there was sufficient evidence to indict Angus Sinclair for the appalling murders
of Helen Scott and Christine Eady there's no doubt that he was involved in events which preceded the deaths of
these young women the purpose of the prosecution was to establish whether he was criminally involved in all trials
the prosecutor has a duty continually to consider and review the available evidence with a view to deciding how
best to proceed with the trial low copy low probability DNA evidence found on articles of underwear which have been
used to bind the victims was not led by the crown laying aside the evidence which was consistent with sexual contact
with the victims with consensual contact with the victims the crown was the of the view that there
was sufficient evidence on which to base a prosecution further given the basis upon which the judge approached
approached the evidence which was led we do not consider that this evidence relating as it did to items of underwear
worn by the deceased would have persuaded the judge that there was sufficiency so they're basically like yeah sure
now after 30 years of Investigation dedication grief horror nothing nightmares the family of Helen Scott and
Christine Eady were just robbed of Justice when the trial judge just dismissed the charges yeah while the
decision was heart-shattering for anyone directly involved in the case it also brought up a lot more questions like how
Sinclair's very obvious guilt could be circumvented by illegal technicality and poor prosecutor prosecutorial
performance like what like it is obvious to literally anybody that he is guilty yeah but
because of a tiny little loophole we're just gonna say [ __ ] it whatever and they
don't feel like it's like the prosecutor the prosec the prosecutor's office is Fault like that just feels like the
judge was like nah sorry there was it was loopholes and it was like little [ __ ] ups that's like and I'm like dude
what do you have to gain number one this guy's in prison forever anyway so you're
not [ __ ] saving his life but because of this let me let me hear it the then cabinet secretary for justice
Kenny mccaskill sent the case against Sinclair to the Scottish law commission for review let's go Scottish law
commission hell yeah after years of review and Analysis the commission produced tons of reports that directly
influenced the double jeopardy Act passed by Scottish parliament in 2011. among other things this act allowed for
the retrial of acquitted persons under circum certain circumstances particularly those relating to decisions
made in bad faith and questions of mishandled evidence yeah that one was made in bad faith they were like you [ __ ]
up so following the passage of the double jeopardy Act of 2011 the crown instructed Lothian and borders police to
reopen The World's End murder case [ __ ] yeah as if the other evidence they had
collected for three decades wasn't enough detectives discovered additional evidence that challenged Sinclair's
Alibi in the previous chapter including soil samples that placed Angus Sinclair at the sites
of both murders soil samples they went hard I love that they were like if semen samples don't work for you let's get
some [ __ ] soil samples maybe I'll get some air samples while I'm out I will get all the elements against you [ __ ]
go girl so this with the DNA found on the ligatures around the necks of Christine and Helen the soil disproved
Angus Sinclair's claim that he was fishing at the time of the death yeah go [ __ ] yourself there's soil in your shoes
and was nowhere near any murder scene based on this new evidence and now a much stronger case the crown was granted
permission to retry the case against Angus Sinclair I'm doing my gotcha dance so the second trial of Angus Sinclair
began October 13th 2014. oh my God at the high court in Livingston at this time Sinclair pleaded
not guilty to two counts of murder according to the defense submitted by declare Sinclair he was fishing on the
bank of the river fourth somewhere near cockenzie Power Station when both my girls were murdered by his
brother-in-law Gordon Hamilton doubt it as he done in the last trial he again claimed that he'd had consensual sex
with both girls [ __ ] right off this time the prosecutor Frank Mulholland he built a stronger case against
Sinclair that very different from the first trial included the damning DNA evidence that implicated Sinclair in
both murders the jury was also shown very graphic photographs taken at the time the bodies were discovered and were
given tours of both crime scenes and heard testimony from the experts and witnesses that it testified in the first
trial too wow and since it was seven years later after the first trial everyone's understanding of DNA was a
little more robust definitely in his testimony forensic scientist Martin Fairley told the jury that there was a
one in a billion chance DNA on the coat could have come from anyone other than the accused Angus Sinclair one in a
billion that'll sell it similarly forensic scientist Geraldine Davidson like good good for you Geraldine
forensic scientist let's go girl explain the process used to test the samples found on the bindings of both young
women as being quote beyond anything you would normally do in a normal DNA test so she was like we went above and beyond
men yeah according to her the findings provide extremely strong support for the view that Gordon Hamilton and or Angus
Sinclair were involved in restraining and strangling both Helen Scott and Christine Eady rather than an unknown
and undetective individual in our opinion the findings are fitting with our range of expectations had Gordon
Hamilton and Angus Sinclair been in contact with most if not all of the ligatures examined in this case wow
on the final day of testimony Angus Sinclair took the stand to testify in his own defense like a little [ __ ]
Sinclair told the jury that he and Hamilton had met the girls at the World's End pub and after last call the
Ford drove to Sinclair include Sinclair's Toyota Kim whatever it is caravanette to Hollywood Park where they
he had consensual sex with both girls doubt it then he left both young women with Hamilton and he wanted to go
fishing what you just went fishing in the middle of the [ __ ] night we are decades
later and you can't come up with something better than that gone fishing on cross-examination the prosecutor
challenged this version of events saying two 17 year old girls taken somewhere they didn't want to go in the dark in
the back of a van with two strange men with sex on the mind they must have been terrified absolutely you didn't care
that they wanted to go home and in response to him Sinclair said no I just wanted to have sex ew go [ __ ] yourself
dude [ __ ] he's filthy yeah he literally filthy that's a perfect word for he is a filthy [ __ ] ugh otherwise he
stuck to that previous story he pinned the murders on his brother-in-law who is dead and can't face the charges and just
that's it on November 14 2014 the jury deliberated for less than two hours and came back with a verdict of guilty hell
yeah in sentence Angus Sinclair to life in prison with a minimum of 37 years and
he was already in there for life if you told me anything else I would quite literally
[ __ ] riot yeah it was a big relief to everybody it was a big relief to the family members of Edie and Scott the
detectives in a statement for to the Press former Jeopardy deputy chief Constable of the Lothian and borders
police Tom Woods said when it happened in 1977 it was like the Turning of a page they looked like young
women in their photographs but really they were little little more than children the nature of the crime and the
brutality of their deaths meant that a real shock ran through Scotland people still remember it and have it as a point
of reference as each generation came up they became infected with the determination to see this through the
officers who have devoted themselves to the case will see this as a debt repaid you know what makes me so sad her
grandmother like went to her grade yeah and never never got to see Justice I hope wherever she is she knows that I
hope she knows her granddaughter was yeah like what happened you know it was at least like you know like justice was
justice so Angus Sinclair was the first person to be retried and convicted with after the passage of the double jeopardy
act and Frank Mulholland told reporters the day after Sinclair's conviction I can assure the public that there is now
no longer such a thing as a closed case in Scotland I love it just because the murder took place many years ago it is
is no less important than the eyes of the prosecution service than one that took place last week good it was also
the longest sentence handed out by a Scottish court at that time wow in early 2019 Angus Sinclair suffered a bunch of
Strokes he ended up being bedridden and incontinent until his death on March 11th of that baby I am dancing in these
streets [ __ ] you angry with that guy at the time of his death he was serving life sentences for the murders of
Christine Edie Helen Scott and Mary Gallagher but police still suspect him of those other murders oh absolutely now
Helen's father Marine did he did pass away in 2015. so he did he was able to see a lot of this happen right um and he
was 85. he lived 85. but the year before his death in 2014 he said how anybody could do that to another human being I
sit at nights and I think well just what did she go through how did she suffer I
mean it's frightening I just remember remember Helen as she was and keep wondering where she would have been
today would she have been married would she have had a family would I have had grandchildren where'd she be living
that's so awful I hate that he had to spend the rest of his life thinking things like that but I'm so glad they
finally got I mean my god when you got to like the part where they didn't I was like is this how this is gonna end and
she gave me teresi tabasa and this I could not because I mean these families and and the detectives and investigators
in the case they all deserve to have this [ __ ] wrapped up in a bow at the end and I hate that it took that long I know
because for those families and those detectives because it really affected a lot of them they were all talking about
like this killed us everybody involved in it they all had to sit through it for decades and just have frustration and
brick wall and watch that [ __ ] get off the first time and those the first people that put it together to spend
that long doing that and then to get like like slapped in the face yes exactly but luckily it does eventually
have Justice in the end thank goodness and whatever for at least one of them what a like awesome way to get Justice
too with the the uh double jeopardy I know that that's the thing it's so like theatrical the way that it all came
together I love that it all came together that way me too it was like Christine and Helen were like working
things yeah they were like making it happen hell yeah I mean they made [ __ ] happen in real like hell yeah on this
plane exactly wow yeah that was wild so wild and I think um there was a few other cases mentioned in
this case that Angus Sinclair was uh Associated thought to be a part of and it's definitely a part of and I'm going
to look into those and see if we can do another episode talking about those ones
because I want to make sure I can find some information about them but I think they I was interested to see what those
were about yeah definitely yeah wow yeah well stay tuned for that hopefully and we hope you keep listening and we hope
you keep it weird but not so weird that this [Music] don't keep it as weird as Angus
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On October 15, 1977, seventeen-year-olds Christine Eadie and Helen Scott met some friends at the World’s End Pub in Edinburgh’s Old Town neighborhood to celebrate their new jobs and what they assumed would be the start of their adult lives. The next day, Christine’s body was discovered by hikers near Gosford Bay, while Helen’s body was discovered in a cornfield several miles away. The Lothian and Borders Police mounted a massive investigation to identify and apprehend the killer but, despite their best efforts, evidence was sparse and by the following year the case had gone cold.

The World’s End Murders, as they’d come to be known, became one of Scotland’s most notorious cold cases, until it was reactivated in 1997 in hopes that scientific and technological advances of the previous two decades could lead them to the girls’ killer.

Thank you To the Fabulous Dave White for Research Assistance

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Brief Summary

The episode details the World's End murders, focusing on the victims, investigation, and Angus Sinclair's eventual conviction.

Key points

Exciting Announcement. The hosts reveal their new board game, the Lunar Dial, available for pre-order soon!
A Night Out Turns Dark. Helen and Christine go out to celebrate new jobs, but it ends in tragedy.
The Discovery of Christine's Body. Derek and Ruth Taylor stumble upon a gruesome scene on the beach.
Helen's Body Found. John McKenzie discovers Helen Scott's body in a field, raising alarms.
The Painful Identification. Maureen Scott faces the unimaginable task of identifying her daughter's body.
Forensic Evidence Revealed. Investigators find crucial evidence that could lead to the killer.

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