Gerard John Schaefer "The Hangman" | Episode 358 | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Elena and I'm Ash and this is morbid oh my God it is [Music] I'm back do you have a brand new wrap no
I just have scars that will forever be with me from Storyland in New Hampshire yeah I
actually do not blame you whatsoever yeah it was a real experience the kids loved it well part of the kids loved it
so that's really all that matters and we got through it and um we did it so now we did it I think I
went to Storyland once when I was little if I remember correctly and then I just
blocked it all out of my brain because uh I don't remember anything about it that's the thing kids love it so yeah
it's one of those and you know what we had we got to like you know hang out with Deb Deb Deb and Pat her husband
pat pat so that was nice but it was it was a real it was a real experience at Storyland anybody in the New England
area can probably relate to this like just feeling of like wow oh okay that's what that is one of your kids before you
were gone you like wanted me to come they were like TT why aren't you going and I go I told them that you can't go
to Storyland unless you have children which is I mean probably true I mean I was like sorry I can't go I don't have
kids I don't think you lied too much I was like what I was like yeah it's just the way it is yeah whatever I can't uh
so we're we're not gonna do a whole bunch of chit chatting before we get into the case today because this is
going to be a very long episode yeah I'm back and I was gonna split it into two but there's really no good way
to split this into two and I didn't want to just split it into two because it was
long for the sake of doing it so buckle up it's just gonna be a long one because
I think continuity makes more sense here uh this is a wild case from the 70s oh so I brought it a little a little more I
love how the 70s I'm like they're modern you know I mean I don't they're not like
that long ago quite a long time ago at this point but it always feels like it was only like 20 years ago yeah what do
you know no like who maths here notes like a lot how many no it is 40. is it 40. yeah
it's 40 and it's going on 43. there you go so 43 years that's a lot that's a whole that's a whole person so yeah it's
like that's a that's a person who's lived it's not me yet soon but you know John almost John uh but yeah so this is
from the 70s what's crazy about this case we're going to be talking about Gerard John Schaefer who is known as the
killer cop or the hangman I had maybe heard his name or come across it maybe in like the annals of some true
crime book that I had read like a million years ago yeah but I did not know anything about this I haven't heard
of it I saw like a blurb about a tree and I was like oh that's interesting I'm just gonna look at it holy [ __ ] he is
worse than most we have talked about oh good it's wild to me and I don't know how we don't know his name which I guess
is probably good that like yeah because we don't want to become infamous that's the thing we don't want them like
becoming these famous things but like the fact that I didn't know about this is like wild because it's a really
really scary story well and what's sad is that we should know about it because he was so horrible then we should know
what happened to the people that's the thing in these they were these victims really a lot of them in their families
didn't even get the closure that they really not that you really get closure but they didn't get and a lot of the
information they needed yeah Justice right yeah and there's a lot of missing girls and women attributed to him and it
was never really solidly clothed like a few of them definitely got like he was convicted of a couple but like a lot of
them just hung out there and it's kind of sad because at the time the police were just kind of like well we
got him for these ones so and it's like yeah but like he needs to pay for the other ones too like yeah we can't just
be like well yeah like you know we got him for those so it's fine and it should be on record so that the families can
fail yeah this is what happens exactly he's in prison and we know who did it he should be punished for all of them uh
this is a really really gnarly one I just want to say it right out front there's going to be some really rough
stuff we're going to talk about he is a full-on monster so I buckle up because this is really
really really bad I'm gonna move my therapy appointment up this week yeah you probably should now he was only
convicted of two murders in the end but he has definitely committed several more
you said two he was only convicted of two all right so yeah but he can he committed several more uh all of them
are more horrific than any fiction could ever conjure like it is horrific stuff and I say that he we definitely know he
committed several others because there's literally physical evidence that was found
in his home in his mother's home like he had physical evidence connected to these
victims and his own thinly veiled confessions that he actually said were just fiction stories but somehow they
line up almost perfectly with crime scenes he uses actual victim names and some of them and he just said no it's
just fictions I just write I'm just a brilliant writer and it just so happens that as I'm writing these terrible
things happen yeah it's just crazy it's just a weird coincidence and somehow I'm
being convicted because I'm an amazing writer what a dope yeah he's a real dope isn't that a fun one I haven't used that
in a while it is a fun one and it's perfectly perfect to describe him as a dope um another crazy thing about him is at
one point he was a police officer yeah because so yeah and this takes place in Florida uh and he was a police officer
not for too long there but he definitely used his position for some really heinous things now we're just going to
talk about him briefly as a younger person because it's kind of interesting to see where he came from he was born
March 25th 1946 in Wisconsin he was born to Doris in Gerard John Schaefer senior now he was the oldest of
three children he was the only boy his father was a traveling salesman he was gone a lot and it was really just like
him and his mom and his sisters his dad was also a big drinker wasn't a super happy family but his he also is a
compulsive liar and he's also just like an [ __ ] of the highest order so it's hard to tell so it's hard to tell he
tries to make his life look a lot different than it is he will all at once confess to what he's done and then go
what are you talking about I've never killed anybody he's just like he's a dick he's just a dick
and he likes to say that he was like an illegitimate child quote unquote like he'll say my mom got pregnant with me
and they had they were forced to get married so that's why they were a horribly horrible relationship because
it was started that way okay but that's one not even corroborated into shut the [ __ ] up yeah like that that doesn't make
you that doesn't turn you into like a bad person no he liked to spout a lot about how his family and his family was
very religious they were very Catholic Family um but he spouted a lot about how they
really hammered into him that Madonna [ __ ] dichotomy thing uh with women which is a very unhealthy thing no
matter what that is not a good thing to teach your children that like women are either Madonna or [ __ ] yeah like those
are not that's not good Madonna's like Mary Magdalene it's like the I you were asking the wrong all I know is Madonna
is a good thing [ __ ] is taught to be like you are either this or you are this that is it when you said Madonna at
first I was like what it was on the 70s you were thinking Madonna I really loved
it yeah like you know Material Girl and then I was like oh yeah no uh I honestly
can't tell you exactly like the Madonna I think that's like I think she's married
I don't know I think that's Mary yeah because if Madame Magdalene and Mary Mary I think are two guys I'm not
religious Mary um and I'm not saying like I just don't know so I don't want to say it but I
know that the Madonna is like the good thing and you know the other is the bad thing and that's and when that's taught
it's a very unhealthy way to teach your child to look at women yeah basically now that was happening in that house
that obviously doesn't create a serial killer but he likes to point to it and he likes to be like well you know that's
why and then he's like but I didn't kill anybody so it's whatever okay but I didn't kill anybody stop telling me I
did uh very healthy so the family moved a lot because of his dad's work and they
moved to Nashville Tennessee for a while and then they ended up living in Atlanta
for a few years so they were like rolling around the country Now by 1960 his family had settled down
in Fort Lauderdale Florida now his father may not have been home often and you know he has a lot of
shitty things to say about his dad but when he was home he said that they liked he would take him fishing and hunting
they'd like to be outside together a lot so there was like good times here now I
want to point out that a book that I found on this case that I devoured and it but it's a it's it's got a lot of
stuff in it just so you know it's harrowing it's a very harrowing Journey but it is worth it in my opinion if you
were looking to just unders know this case uh it's called American Ripper by Patrick Kendrick which I thought was
interesting because I just went off with Jack the Ripper and I didn't even mean to do this you're in a place I'm in a
place apparently so Patrick Kendrick did a phenomenal job researching this case he did it for decades I mean he like
spoke to people in the like that book has interviews on interviews on interviews it has his writings and it
has everything and so much that I'm not even going to touch upon and I telling you go get that book go get that book
it's outrageous and I think Patrick Kendrick has been on a few different like podcasts and stuff too so if you
type his name in go listen to some of those I think one of them is called like notorious the podcast oh I've heard of
that and um they did a really great job like talking to him and it's just really
interesting so go check those out after this because I'm telling you his book is
outrageously horrifying but outrageously fascinating I'm right so American Ripper
by Patrick Hendrick I will link it in the show notes now according to that book kids who knew Gerard in middle
school and high school said he was pretty unremarkable like he just they weren't like oh that guy you know but
they were just kind of like oh that guy okay yeah not a not a complete loner although some people would describe him
as a loner but he wasn't a popular kid he wasn't a jock he wasn't right in the theater area
he was just there and it was noted also though that he liked to date a lot of different girls though people then said
he only dated two girls from high school so I don't know if he was just showing a
different side to different people or if people are just like I don't remember him so I'm just gonna make something up
about him yeah but one thing that many of them said was that he definitely was creepy and he liked to look under girls
skirts all right so there you have it yep one classmate is quoted as saying in an article that I read
um quote the only thing I really remember is that I always had to tuck my skirt under my legs because John they
called him John John would practically stand on his head to look up a girl's skirt Jesus Christ he's a pig everybody
and you probably could like only wear skirts back then too at school I'm sure everyone was wearing skirts back then
and he was just a disgusting hog about it now in an article from the Palm Beach Post in 1973 a lot of his classmates
mates were interviewed from high school one of them named Eloise said quote he was kind of weird that's all I can say
about him he was kind of out of it never part of a group he was the last boy I would have dated I didn't like him I
don't know why he was just weird that's all no you probably heard some rumors Eloise and then Donna another classmate
said quote he was a loner not part of any Clique he would do strange things like he would be sitting in class and
like all of a sudden he would start talking to himself so it's a very interesting like
hearing the cross-section of people talking about him because a lot of people had a lot of different views yeah
very very things here yeah like no one said he was this popular kid or this outgoing kid but there's all these
varying degrees of like he was strange as [ __ ] he was a creep he was a loner he
wasn't really a loner I didn't really know who he was it seems like it just depended like what face he wanted to
show exactly which I think was a nice theme he took through life now during this time in Fort Lauderdale he was
neighbors to a girl named Lee hayneline he had said that he they were like friendly they used to like play sports
together a little bit but he also would tell people that he was pissed because she would tease him by undressing in
front of her Windows like it was for him like her undressing in her room was like taunting him no I think she's
just on her own property doing her own things pretty sure now this name Lee Hayne is going to come back later no so
I want you to remember it I don't want it to um according to that uh Patrick Kendrick book her mother later said of
Gerard or John um I never cared for the boy he did foolish things one time he and Gary
which was Lee's brother went fishing Out on the Ocean and Schaefer threw away the
oars the boys finally drifted in with the tide you never knew where he was he was sneaky he sort of dropped by all the
time yeah he would also kill animals that you can't eat like he would just do it for fun and it was noted by a
classmate that he would kill things like a songbird just for the hell of it no I love I'm in
a place now where I [ __ ] love birds and birds are pretty rad I've probably sat on this podcast before that I don't
like birds all of a sudden I do like birds she's gross and yeah she's ever now quick large trigger warning for what
I'm about to say because it involves animal cruelty eek um he was also known to many to kill
cows oh often times decapitating them and then he would derive pleasure from their Corpses
I don't think I want to be here anymore yep um I think I thought I have you don't want to be here place to go it's
it's not great bye now around this time he told his I'm sorry I'm using like now
to start all my sentences that's one of those crutch things that happens but you
know what when you catch it you catch it you do I was doing that the other week I
wonder if I gave it to you you know what though it's better than so it is you know it it watch I'll start saying so
now well around this time look at me I'm well no around oh there it is well well
around this time he told his high school girlfriend Sandra London who some of you
might know that name she's like a true crime kind of like people know that name he got involved with a lot of serial
killers uh this was his high school girlfriend though Sandra London oh maybe that's what inspired it all he told her
that he out of the blue he was like you know what sometimes I just like really want to hurt people and she was like wow
okay and he was like I want to hurt women and she's like okay as a woman that's a
little a little frightening I think we should break up yeah so he also later um told his college teacher who was a
woman this as well like confided that in her now to me and they both were like it's weird that he just like told us
this yeah but to me that's purely to scare them and exert power like that's him exerting power him being you know he
liked that he basically put women in line by revealing this secret to them because that way they knew that he was
capable of hurting them and he was willing to hurt them right if they should fall out of his favor or Graces
yeah so that was him being like wow I I really want to hurt women just so you so
don't [ __ ] with me yeah I could see that and his whole life is just this struggle
for power this struggle to be legitimate as a human being it's and he's not [Music]
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1964 and he used this he apparently used his entire summer acting as a quote nature guide in the Everglades I I would
not want him to be my age yeah I guess like he wasn't an actual certified nature guide he was just doing it he
also started classes at Broward Junior College uh he was a Social Studies major but he eventually changed Majors like
several times and he had landed on education because he decided he wanted to be a teacher no you should not be a
teacher he had a weird college career like he took a ton of classes every semester and Patrick Kendra gets into
this in the book a lot that he did this like very distinct pattern where he would overload his course list like way
overload it and then he would just start struggling and drop a [ __ ] ton of them
but he did it like over and over and over like he never learned why that that wasn't gonna work it was like
competitive with himself it was more yeah it was competitive which he becomes competitive against other serial killers
later in his life by the way because he's an Aries oh no let's not do that John's and Aries John's competitive he
is competitive but in like a not in Achilles though thankfully uh but yeah he would do this and he is competitive
and he likes to feel powerful so I think and like like he has something over everybody so I think he's like yeah I
can take all these classes like [ __ ] you I can do this and then he's like I can't
right [ __ ] you I'll do it again like he's just an idiot he's just confusing he's dumb he's a law and he wanted to
come off intelligent so badly but I feel like that's the case with a lot of people he wanted to he wanted to be that
like Hannibal Lecter kind of thing and he was not he wanted to have like some kind of like validation he wanted
something and he didn't have anything now then in 1968 he managed to transfer to Florida Atlantic University in Boca
Raton but we're going to get back to his Broward Junior College days at one point
in 1968 the same year he married Martha Fogg but it was a very short relationship to you know say the least
in the beginning it was fine like whatever very sweet relationship where they bonded over creative writing
because he also took a lot of creative writing classes he enjoyed writing unfortunately what he writes is horrific
and something nobody ever wants to read um they you know they would he would drive her to school they were just like
they was like one of those little cute College relationships yeah you're like oh adorable we like to write things
together and then Gerard kind of showed who he really was to her and he kind of started telling her about his weird
fantasies that he had because he enjoyed like putting himself into bondage it was
very BTK he would take pictures that kind of thing and she was like I'm good and he later
said that they were very incompatible sexually and basically he suggested to her he said that he told her quote put
out or get out I would say get [ __ ] and leave I'ma get out see you later during this time
he had also he became kind of like he was struggling he was struggling in his classes he was struggling you know his
home life wasn't that great he was just having a lot going on and he was starting to get like a little depressed
a little I think he was struggling with who he was as a person because I think he could probably tell that he was a
[ __ ] up human and that he was into some stuff that people probably weren't going to be into and that he was kind of
scaring people around him and I'm not saying that he was like very self-reflective in the way of like maybe
I should change things but instead he started trying to get like attention because like psychologists look back at
it and he you know left a suicide note at one place but they were like he never intended to kill himself yeah he was
doing it because he thought it would bring a different kind of attention like his personality type was not one to this
wasn't what he was doing his personality type is so confusing outrageous now during this time there was a suicide
note that was found written by him and his he was going to therapy at the time and his therapist referred him to see a
psychiatrist in the psychiatrist was Dr RR formic this is the report that he wrote about him when he saw him
and again this was after the marriage had crumbled like it was bad news it says quote this examiner was able to
hold John's attention and cooperation through approximately two and one half hours of testing Rapport was excellent
and the testing results are prolific in psychodynamic information these results are consistent and indicate that John is
immature has poor ego control is aggressive and a rebellious and primarily has an intense father conflict
in addition his personality Dynamics inclined him to blame others for his own difficulties which is exactly what this
was he thinks the whole world is against him but it's really him [ __ ] with the
world he's extremely confused in terms of self-image and is alienated from himself
and others however he does have a capacity to relate to others and is approachable in a therapeutic
relationship at this point John's own resources are not sufficient for a solution to his problems and he is in
need of supportive therapy which will a Miller I could never say that word basically get rid of the severity of his
symptoms this examiner does not find any indication of excessive depression which
might indicate Suicidal Tendencies it is felt that a character logical Neurosis with a paranoid trait overlay are more
descriptive of his personality structure in addition Bender Gestalt revealed preservation of the fundamental
outstanding Gestalt principle by the use of the Primitive loop as a unit symbol this is indicative of decreased ego
control and of impairment and reality testing which is often found among psychotics or individuals with
intracranial pathology you know what that is exactly what I would have said to you that's exactly what you would
have said I was thinking this whole time so they're basically saying you know he's confused about himself he doesn't
understand who he is he doesn't understand the things he likes he doesn't understand his own strange
pathologies he is aggressive he has poor ego control he thinks he's great but then in the next second he thinks he's
terrible uh he's rebellious he has this weird father thing that's good like a father complex he alienates some others
but at times he can be very charming and like bring others into him uh basically
they're saying he's not actually depressed he just kind of is mimicking this depression and he doesn't actually
have Suicidal Tendencies he's just looking for the attention here okay so he went to see a Dr Charles W long for
some more treatment around this time and things started going better like he was
starting to feel a little more like together so he applied for a teaching fellowship because he was like you know
what I'm gonna get with my professional [ __ ] I want to be a teacher oh yeah at
the end of 1969 he started work at plant Plantation High School in Florida and he
started teaching social studies and this was a fellowship this was not him being like an actual like full-blown
teacher yeah I'm just no now just as he started working his parents divorced after 22 years oh [ __ ] yeah and you know
he didn't take I mean who would take that life you know Gerard is not taking it well now on the divorce papers for
his parents his mom cited for the reason extreme cruelty chronic drunkenness and
adultery oh [ __ ] so [ __ ] was going down in that house and he had I mean extreme
cruelty that means he had seen yeah that means he had seen some stuff at this time his father also entered rehab for
alcoholism okay so there was a lot going on this is so we're going to go back to he
was still taking classes at Broward Junior College which is what I talked about before right he was also taking a
little bit of um part-time like teaching assistant hours there so he was like kind of a TA to some of the teachers in
December of that year a woman connected to him went missing under suspicious circumstances yeah because he did it
right he definitely did it her name was Carmen Hallock she was 22 years old she worked as a waitress and was said to
have been stunningly beautiful she had auburn hair which is important later and she was single and living in an
apartment with a new puppy at the time oh she told friends in the days leading up
to her disappearance that she had been offered a really well-paying government job and he was going to be working with
undercover narcotics agents so she was going to be coming like an undercover kind of informant okay uh this was she
said this was going to allow her to travel to all these amazing places like these Island places everywhere and you
know it's gonna be great and everyone she told everyone she was telling this to was like that sounds a little shady
yeah and she was like and I guess she told a bunch of people like eh what do I have to lose like I'm 22 I don't care
well not whatever I get that and she's like sounds cool if it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't like she never
expected this to happen exactly and people were like who brought this up to you and she claimed it was a teacher at
Broward Junior College I bet it was and Gerard Shafer happened to be a teaching assistant there they also were proven
the two of them to have taken at least one class together at the time okay so they definitely knew who each other was
right and there's more connections to her later and this is a junior college too so it's probably a lot smaller
exactly she was said to have had dinner out with a mystery man in the days leading up to
her disappearance as well and was last seen on December 18 1969 by her friend Nancy Bauer Nancy had invited Carmen to
spend Christmas with her or like some of the Christmas time and she had accepted
but she never showed and that's sad and Nancy got really worried so she went to her apartment and found the door was
wide open a bath was full like it had been drawn but and ready to use her purse was still
there her car was found at a nearby park and her puppy was still in the apartment
thank you and appeared to be starving and dirty like it had been alone for days yeah at least days like she was
like I went in there and it was just so happy to see me oh don't worry she took the puppy and took care of it also what
a good puppy staying in the apartment yeah all the time now a missing person's report was filed immediately remember in
this kind of just like went about the Wayside remember her name Carmen Hallock the same time period another girl went
missing you may remember this name Lee Hayne I do the neighbor at the time now I'm again like ash said she was the
neighbor she's the neighbor that he said used to taunt him by getting undressed in her own bedroom by living her life in
her own home now at this time she was married and her name was Lee bonadies Yes again it is that Lee now Carmen's
friend Lucille Cardone told Carmen Hallock told investigators later that she had seen Carmen with Lee so Carmen
and Lee knew each other oh weird connection and she had seen them together out at like a diner or
something like that and it was shortly before their disappearances and this was in like September I think
Lee went missing in September before Carmen so they were friends and Lee was blonde
and 25 years old what we're gonna see later is that he had a pattern of going after pairs of women and usually they
were dark hair light hair oh yeah weird I know it's horrific do you think it's like a yin yang thing I don't know I
think he just does it did he ever talk about why no because he didn't kill anybody oh right remember he didn't kill
anybody yeah he's a lot so she was married at the time only less than a month when she
went missing and when she went missing she was married to a man named Charles bonnades interestingly evidence was
found that showed that Gerard John Shafer and Lee had spoken the day of her disappearance oh because they remained
like they knew who each other was they were friendly when they were younger this all stayed the same they were in
the same area Fort Lauderdale they had spoken the day of her disappearance and he later admitted this
said that they spoke said that she had asked him to drive her to the airport for something but then sent a telegram
later that canceled that but they never found the telegram it was all very ridiculous
she had left a note for her husband that day saying she was going to Miami which
wasn't that far away and would be back later but she never returned there is a lot of weirdness surrounding her case
that doesn't really like have a place right here but in the book like Patrick Kendrick's book he goes really far into
it I'm telling you go Rita because it's just like a wild goose chase in there like that it kind of goes off to the
side in this weird strange area Okay involving like the FBI and like fake FBI agents and stuff it's crazy but
definitely go read that book because it's crazy but again remember Lee still continue to remember her we have now
Carmen who has gone missing we have Lee who is already connected to him that has
gone missing and now we know that Carmen was at least in a class with him right and said she had this weird government
job that she was gonna get that offered to her a teacher yeah yeah we're like yeah yeah yeah you got it so around this
time too Gerard was let go from his first teaching job at that High School and it was after he got like some subpar
evaluations about his teaching skills all right uh one of the things they wrote was that he put on the bulletin it
said veto the non-intercourse ACT which is apparently something that was going through like you know Congress or
whatever but he wrote it there for high school students and then the second one was he explains to class how he evaded
the draft okay I go okay I mean helpful I mean sure uh he also it says lack of cooperation and not accepting advice
from his superiors there was also phone calls from parents that he did not uh have a proper influence on students and
they were getting worried uh and he said so they brought all this to him and we're like you're not doing great and
like parents are not happy with it and we are not happy he was like well I have a right to express my opinions
uh it's like to an extent my dude yeah but like also not at the same time but he also then said he does not intend to
teach there to share his opinions with them and they were like well then you can't
work here like you can't do that like you have to teach them you can't just hang out and tell people things and then
the last thing they wrote on the evaluation was that he told kids that George Washington smoked pot I mean I
was like that's kind of a funny but if he wasn't such a piece of [ __ ] exactly so at this time Martha officially filed
for divorce they had separated a while ago I just said George Washington didn't know Martha it was like my my man George
I am Martha Washington did not she filed for divorce in May 1970 she also cited extreme cruelty oh yep she refused after
this to speak about the marriage or what led to the divorce oh that she would not
scared because that I feel like that just means she couldn't go through talking about it yeah it seemed like it
was uh not great yeah no the same year he got another teaching fellowship I always love how these kind
of people just keep on getting jobs yeah because it's like nobody tracks up on their references but then people who are
like really strong candidates for jobs and really would be good at those jobs get passed over for these kind of dicks
that makes no sense so he got another teaching fellowship at Stranahan High School in Fort Lauderdale he was
terrible at it as well he's I don't know if you guys have noticed but teaching is
not his uh Forte he's just there to share opinions guys he's not there to teach he's there to share his opinions
he would leave class and just like not show back up and he would not come to any of the teacher meetings he's an
ideal teacher didn't think he was just shitty at his job and he got really bad evaluations there too one of them said
he was too defensive to evaluate oh wow one said student seems to have a severe inferiority inferiority and seriously
complex there we go demonstrating the classic defense mechanic ISM of superiority evidenced by authoritative
dictorial approach awesome yes so basically he's a dick he has an authority complex like he thinks he's
like above everybody that's who he is for his whole life love the second time super that he got fired from this job
his supervisor was Richard goodhart and he said quote I told him when he left that he'd better never let me hear of
his trying to get a job with any authority over other people or I do anything I could to prevent it holy [ __ ]
so his supervisor Richard goodhart knew exactly who he was and he knew exactly why John or Gerard
whatever you want to go I hate calling him John because yeah John understood it's exactly what Gerard was after he
went after every job that let him have power over people he didn't want to become a teacher he wanted to become a
teacher because he wanted to hold power over a bunch of students and we see that
he ends up wanting to become which I'm going to talk about in a second he wants to become like a priest at one point
because people have to listen to that's power that he becomes a police officer that's power he always wanted to hold
that kind of power he became very obsessed over this time with capital punishment oh which I get
it it's a fascinating yeah thing but when you put it into like but when you put it ways doing it this person and
when you find out how he was obsessed with it it's worse like I understand being fascinated with the idea that we
like legally kill people like that is a very interesting thing to research and just be like wow just like the arguments
on both sides and exactly that's what's interesting there's a lot of interest to
be had with like how people think about it and all that that would be normal yeah but he was really into hanging
and he wanted to know everything about what happened when a body was hanged okay yep now remember one of his
nicknames is the hangman I want everybody to remember that I forgot that yep obviously
when you put this next to that it gets worse it's just it's not okay it's not an okay interest while going
through this beginning phase of like being obsessed with hanging and starting to get into what that's all
about he wrote to several publishing companies claiming to be a research assistant for various colleges he was
lying in order to gain access to details about what happened when people died what the [ __ ] he was particularly
interested in and this is really gross guys he was particularly interested in what happened when people would urinate
or defecate when they hung he seemed very fascinated by that and that remains something that he derives a
lot of pleasure in knowing about oh okay and witnessing himself oh he is was so bad guy like he's so bad I
have no idea how more people don't know about him now this is when he decided he
wanted to become a priest so he tried to become a priest at St John's Seminary but he was turned away because they said
they he did not have enough faith I think they had a feeling I like that they use the you do not have enough
Faith line because I was like good for you instead of just being like he's crazy you're a [ __ ] creep but no you
can't they can't no you cannot in interviews he later said he was not you know what he wasn't into the Catholic
church after that because he said he dug deeper into it after that and he said they didn't allow you to question the
dogma of it all and he was a Seeker guys you know Gerard's a seeker of knowledge
that's who he is he's so intelligent he's so he's just always trying to learn this guy on liquidity and he said and he
said according to him he's very sensitive yeah and when he and when he would learn
things about the Catholic faith he was like I just had to ask so I would go up to a priest and I'd be like what's this
all about and in one of his interviews that's literally how he talks sometimes like just what what I don't like it at
all in one of his interviews he says that he's like I would walk up to a priest and I'd be like this Virgin Mary
stuff how's that possible and he's like in the priest and then the priest would be like get the [ __ ] out and he was like
I don't think that's what it was I don't think that you came up to a priest and was like
what's with this Virgin Mary stuff and he was a get out son I think he was probably like you're weird get policeman
he was probably like you're being disrespectful like do you want to be here or you don't want to be here they
probably sensed who you were I feel like a lot of people around you sensed who you were but then the wrong people
didn't sense who you were yeah and they hired you to become a police officer I think that's what happened yeah so he
worked for a while as a security guard because and again Power Authority he worked for the wacken Huts
corporation which I think you've probably seen like that's still a thing uh and while he was doing this he met a
young woman named Teresa Dean who worked at the Econo way grocery store all right
she was a cashier they flirted often and it was like this thing where he would like go through a line and be like hey
there and she was like Hey there and then they started dating because she didn't know I want to love that and
again I can't he's a security guard right A lot of people that gives you an immediate sense of security he's a
security guard that's what he does now he was already at this point saying the next thing I want to do is I want to be
a police officer I'm already security guard I got this little taste of it and I want the full [ __ ] so I do wonder if
just because of who Gerard is I wonder if that whole thing when his supervisor Richard goodhart was like you better not
get any kind of job with authority that he was like [ __ ] you I'm gonna do it I
feel like he is that kind of person that if you do that he's just gonna push spiteful yeah he's a spiteful piece of
[ __ ] so he applied to several departments and was rejected by the Broward County Sheriff's office after
failing the psychological test do you remember the Show on TLC Broward County was it like Broward County women like I
think it was the woman police officer such a good show well he was he could not get in there no he's he failed the
psychological test uh but he did finally and he failed a bunch like he wasn't getting a job anywhere so there was some
good thoughts going around that people were like I don't think you should have a gun right and you would think that
they would like look at the other departments that he'd applied to you would think but then he got a job with a
very small department and that might be why because they were probably just like
looking for people and they probably didn't talk to the other ones as much and it was the Wilton Manors police
department uh he went through the Broward County Police Academy to get here and in September of 1971 he was on
his way to becoming a full-fledged police officer oh [ __ ] same year he proposed to Teresa Dean and they were
married by September of 1971. no Teresa Teresa's story uh I there's not a lot about her but what happens after uh his
trial is uh really wild so hang tight all right now the police chief of that department Bernard Scott later said
about his time at the department quote he used poor judgment did dumb things if he was sent to control traffic at an
accident John would wander into a store and buy a bag of potato chips are you kidding dumb things like that and then
he said I'd put my uniform back on and walk the streets myself before hiring Schaefer back I love that he was like
wanted these positions of power but then I mean like really did nothing with them
yeah like literally so but I think that's what it was he got the position of power and then he
utilized it in a way that he was like well I'm God now I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want I can go buy a bag of potato
chips because who gives a [ __ ] I'm a police officer like that's how he felt like he felt like he could just do
whatever he wanted now he was a he was a teacher I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want I'm in charge now yeah that's what
he felt and it's like no dude you still have to like do the job first of all and
second of all you still have superiors oh yeah you're not the head honcho in any of these jobs well do you think that
there was also just like an element of just being a lazy [ __ ] and just yeah being a lazy [ __ ] and being an idiot
yeah I think there was a lot of things going on working against here um ex-fbi agent Robert wrestler which
people might recognize that name he says that Schaefer was disciplined for running female traffic violators through
the Department's computer where he would get their information like their addresses phone numbers where they
worked and he would call them up and ask them out if he thought they were cute what actual and he was he got in trouble
for it discipline I would be like you gotta go sir like just got disciplined didn't get fired which should have been
an immediate get the [ __ ] out of here you don't belong with a badge nope and this power of being able to find all
this information yeah he was disciplined for it no comment yeah that sounds about
right for the kind of person he is especially but then his superiors did this strange thing
they in March 1972 he got a commendation for his role in a drug bust so it's like he would do these things
and he's talked about later like he would just go and get a bag of potato chips and like not do what he was
supposed to do at a traffic stop you know like a construction site he was an idiot I would literally put the uniform
on myself and come out of retirement and go on the streets over hiring him again
and then it's like but then he gets a commendation for a drug bust right so what what is and that's it goes right
back to who he was in high school no one can pinpoint who he was yeah that's the
thing he's in he's one he's a dichotomy of a human being at all times that's yeah and I wonder too if it was one of
those things like he got that um is it accommodation accommodation yeah I think I wonder if he got that
just because like he happened to be there with some other officers and like they got yeah exactly
right place right very it's a very strange thing with him and like a very strange pattern with him though that
like people have these thoughts about him that are very conflicting at times and it's like I think he just was able
to show who like what he wanted at any given time but I think he might have had some Gemini he feels very Gemini yeah
and when you see how he was able to convince you know his victims to to trust him one he was able to do it with
a badge I mean he had the uniform on yeah that was his easiest way of doing it right but two he was he could be like
he could act like a Charming person and I say he he couldn't be a Charming person he could act like one well Aries
are very charismatic people there you go and he he could come off as a very charismatic person sometimes and then
other times you're like wow you're a [ __ ] weirdo you look at his interviews and you're like okay like I
understand why some of these women were like oh he's harmless right like let's hang chit chatting it's fine like we can
just sit here and shoot the [ __ ] but then you see him turn and you're like oh like there it is that's the that's the
scary part now after this drug bust like one month later in April he was fired that's what makes me feel like he was
just that's the thing and I'm like what the [ __ ] I think it was a right place right time kind of moment and they were
like but yeah they were like okay see you later you got your Commendation now he then in June 1972 so only what like a
year later not even a year a couple months okay he got another job with another Sheriff's Department the Martin
County Sheriff's Department now again this was June 1972 this is when he did something
terrible this is when it he got caught okay on this day July 21st 1972 so right after he got the job with this new
department on this day he picked up 17 year old Pamela Wells an 18 year old Nancy Trotter they were hitchhiking on
the highway it was the 70s yeah literally everybody was doing it Pamela is known to her friends and those close
to her as Sue so sue Wells is who she was known and she was from Texas uh her friend Nancy there was from Michigan and
they were visiting Florida together they actually didn't know each other before they set out they met each other
while hitchhiking oh they just met up with each other um they were hitchhiking to Chicago and
that's when they met and just really liked each other and we're like do you want to stick together yeah which was
like really cool and smart exactly and they quickly decided you know what let's spend our travel time together Florida
seems like a great place to go let's go together we're just gonna like welcome to being best friends like it's just
it's like a cool little story they just were like yeah we're gonna be friends now now on this day they were trying to
get a ride along Highway A1A they'd spent the day at Jensen Beach and had to get back to where they were staying uh
sheriff's deputy pulled up beside them and at first he told them do you know it's illegal to hitchhike in this area
it was not uh they were like no we had no idea it was illegal we wouldn't be doing it if
we didn't if we knew that so he said you know what why don't I drive you home myself like
I'll drive you guys home because you can't be hitchhiking out here you're gonna get in trouble right
now this was Gerard Shafer who was 26 years old at the time he and he even at this point this is
what's so wild about him he called the department which is this was something that they would do police officers I
don't know if they do it now I'm sure they do they would call the department and say hey is it okay if I drive these
two women home oh this is where I am so it's on record so you're not just driving I'm it's smart but he did it
like he did that protocol okay and he took his time with Nancy and Sue really got to know them was chatting with them
in the car just being a real charismatic guy again he's only 26 at this point so
he's not that much older than them so he's telling them that you know his old stories of hitchhiking he's like I used
to do it too you know like he's appealing to their youth their sense of adventure he's like I get it you just
want to like you know ride with someone you don't even know and just go off into
the wild blue yonder I get it Girls Just Want to Have Fun and they're like absolutely like this guy's cool like
he's growing out they're growing out and he's like they're like great he's a sheriff's deputy we have somebody like
we can and Trust around here who can protect us so he drops them off where they were staying he brings them to
where they're staying and then he says they were like yeah you know like we're he was like what are you guys going to
be doing tomorrow like don't hitchhike again and they were like well we want to go back to the beach back to Jensen
Beach and she they were like but you know we have no way to get there right so he said all right if you guys want to
go to the beach I'll meet you and I'll give you a ride to the beach tomorrow so that you don't have to hitchhike and
they were psyched they were like cool we get like a [ __ ] before we get like a escort to the beach like this is great
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Shell which was around the corner from where they were at 9 30 a.m and I'll bring you to the beach and why would you
think that a cop is it's like a shark Deputy he's got a real [ __ ] car he's got a real bad she radioed into the
station to tell him he was bringing you home right if anything if I was them I'd
be like well he's already got it on record that he brought us home exactly why would he ever do something now yeah
like it's already on record I would never even think of it like from a cop never would have thought of it he showed
up somewhere between 9 15 and 9 30. they said when he showed up he was wearing shorts and a plain shirt he was not
wearing his uniform because he was like oh it's my morning off so I'm just wearing my normal clothes and he told
them you know I'm gonna take you to the beach he was driving his light blue slash green Datsun that often was
associated with him yup he drove towards Jensen Beach he was chatting with them and then he says oh guys you know what
can I take you to see this really cool thing no and he said it's this like old Spanish Fort near the river it's not and
he's they're like okay sure like they're like he's doing something nice for us we'll just let him yeah and he's talking
about like how he loves history well and they hit it off too so they're just like
oh cool yeah you know and to him he this was like a performance like he was he's
like I used to be a teacher I love teaching history is my thing social studies I love it let me teach you about
this it's just something fun I want to show people so they're like all right but instead he drives them down a dirt
road toward Hutchinson Island into a forest no and Sue's like um like is this in here and she was
quoted as saying I got worried because he had told us the day before when he picked us up not to tell anyone oh you
know he emphasized it several times not to tell anyone a policeman was taking us
out there I got worried when he turned down that road because it seemed awfully suspicious
now you may note there she was able to talk about it later yeah I was gonna say about that you were cruising with your
stories go off so I'm gonna give you this right now they survive okay so that is that both
of them survive so you can at least go in there knowing that but my God at what cost
he pulled into thick brush and there was this old run-down shed in the middle of
like a swamp and they were like is what is that it then he was like yeah that's it and they were like I don't
think that's an old Spanish Fort I think that's just like an old rundown shed like what the [ __ ] is going on like we
can go to the beach now and they're like sitting there and they're like this is gross and I don't know why we're here
and we just want to go to the beach can you just bring us to the beach now like this is fun and they put their fighter
flight at this point was probably just like oh yeah and they were saying like he was telling them like all these
things about the river and stuff like but they're not listening and they're just sitting there like okay dude can
you just bring us to the beach like I don't want to be here anymore yeah it's getting so they get back in the car and
suddenly they said his entire attitude just completely changed like he had been telling them all these in the river and
this said man this year they did this and this used to be the entrance for this then he sits down suddenly he went
like Stone Cold and they said he was suddenly super aggressive the friendliness was
completely gone and out of nowhere he says you two ran away your runaways and I know it and they were like we're like
17 and 18 like no we're not and what like they were like what are you talking about and he's like I'm arresting you as
runaway runaways out of nowhere and he handcuffs them both and puts them in the back of the car before explaining
to them do you know what I can do to you I can sell you into slavery what the [ __ ] and they were like what so he told
and then he's like I can bury you out here and no one would find you uh and then he said to them there is no crime
without a body and they were like [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is going on and they were saying that they
were thinking he was just an [ __ ] like they were like he's just what the [ __ ] is going on right now on a trip
their heads were probably like I can't even comprehend what's happening right now so they were kind of calling his
bluff like they were kind of being like all right [ __ ] like you know like you're an idiot because they're just
like I don't know what's up because I think they could also see that he was a [ __ ] idiot like they were like okay
so they're like okay yeah like you're gonna sell us to people like what are you talking about like and I think one
of them was like oh okay how much would I be like literally they're like you're dumb yeah and then he grabs out of his
trunk pieces of rope in pieces of sheet and he gags them both with the pieces of
fabric and they're like now I'm starting to get freaked out and he's tying them up tying their legs tying around their
arms they're freaking out and he explained to them that if one of them tries to escape anything he does he was
going to kill the other oh my God so he goes feel free feel free to run but know
that I'm gonna kill your friend because you ran and they were both now remember they
they adjusted they didn't know each other forever so they're that's got to be a weird scenario where you're like I
really like this person and we're friends right now and we've been traveling like I want to sleep [ __ ] like
one of myself right now I have this like literal life like commitment to this person that like
I have to die because of like it's like yeah what in their 17 and 18 years old like what a thing to have to comprehend
in that moment too much dude and Nancy was said later he took Sue out in a field he had my blanket which she'd
brought which apparently they were bringing to the beach and he put it on the ground he made her sit on it and he
tied her legs together and then he made another loop around her shoulders so that she was tied hand and foot
handcuffed and gagged oh my God I was scared then I could have run away but because but I couldn't because he had
Sue there oh so Nancy literally was like I could have run and I but I just couldn't because he was gonna hurt me
that right like what a [ __ ] I'm like yeah that's a great yeah right like you guys are great he took Nancy to the
river where there was this huge like Banyan and Mangrove tree sticking out of the water
and when the tide went out the roots like the huge gnarly roots of these things you can kind of picture them
they're the kind of trees you see in swamps and yeah you know with the gnarly roots that are just huge they would
become exposed When the tide would go out and it was out at this point he made Nancy get up on one of those roots and
balance and he put a noose around her neck and looped the Rope a few times around the branches of the tree so that
as she fell or moved off the root at all she would hang herself what the [ __ ] he
also tied rope around her knees and she said she just sobbed she was sobbing and
he was just smiling and then he just stood there and watched her crying he's also molested her while she
was in this position in later she said quote and then he told me not to scream because he said if I screamed he'd come
back and wrap the gag around me so tight I would [ __ ] my pants what the [ __ ]
that's what he said to her so he's fascinated by that yep he told her he he could rape her if he wanted to he was
like I could rape you right now if I want to but then he just stared at her and then left
and she was like so she has no idea what's happening she doesn't know if he's going to kill Sue
he doesn't she doesn't know if he's coming back she doesn't know what the plan is she knows that if she moves
anywhere she's hanging and so she spits the gag out of her mouth and started chewing on the knot in The Noose wow
smart she said quote I finally turned around and fell against the branch where the other end of the Rope was tied on
the Rope was looser from my chewing on it and I could untie it with my hand behind my back I undid the knot myself
and then I got all the ropes off I didn't take very long maybe 10 or 15 minutes but I still had handcuffs on wow
good for her to do all of that hand cuff she bit through the Rope loosened it up
so that she could move backwards and untie the Rope right with handcuffed hands that's a bad [ __ ] right Nancy
like Nancy final girl yes like your energy right there so she ran she just ran and she said she thought which I'm
like that's brilliant to take the ropes with her because she said if I left them
maybe he could bind me again if he finds me but if I take them with me maybe he doesn't have any more and I can get rid
of them who would think that in that moment I think that that's the thing like the things like the things that
people will think in these situations yeah like you are just remarkable I'm like I don't think I would have thought
of that no that's brilliant you're like that is really that is survival right there I was sitting outside last night
and heard a noise and I was like so terrified I thought there was a murderer in my backyard and all I had next to me
I'm not okay actually so what I thought I had next to me was only a bird feeder and I was like okay I'll just take this
bird feeder and hit them in the head with it obviously there was a [ __ ] knife sitting on that
table and I missed it I missed it you would just abuse the person I would I mean it would have worked yeah like but
like Nancy is like I gotta take these ropes with me like I guess I'll find a bird to take with me yeah I guess is
there a bird feeder around here that I can hit anybody like let me take one of these roots I guess yeah I'll do there
you go let me try to rip these up like wow well she just started running she just ran she found the river she got in
the river now by the way there's like all kinds of scary [ __ ] in that River there's like things that'll sting you
and like can paralyze you and [ __ ] there's like gnarly like crocodiles and [ __ ] like there's yeah we're in Florida
yeah so she's wading through it as fast as possible still handcuffed oh my God she heard someone call her name and
she's like freaking out and she's like it's a woman like what the [ __ ] she hears it and she
realizes it's Sue calling her name and she's like Sue is calling me and then she said she had this moment where she
was like do I go to her or is he making her call my name to draw me out like is this a trick and so she says she was
like you know what I gotta keep going and then I'll come back for Sue because she's like I can't have both of us go
down like I gotta go get help yeah and I can get help so I have to get it well and then at least like she can give a
description and somebody can hopefully help Sue so she was like I just kept going which she said was like the
hardest thing ever and that was Sue calling her and Sue was not with Gerard safer like she was actually calling her
but she understood it like she got it she was like you know like I would have done that too yeah so she's like you
know what she's free she's running great I'm gonna run two so she's also handcuffed at this point they both are
handcuffed Sue now watch as Nancy go off across the river so she made her way to the road she
actually like waded across the river made her way to the road and she got the attention of a truck driver which shout
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sheriff's department and now sheriffs deputies are out looking for Nancy and sorry is this in the same uh
jurisdiction as he was in like yeah his police force looking for them are you [ __ ] me
now meanwhile now that Nancy has made the hardest decision of her life to not go back to her friend and to just like
trudge on to try to get help she hid in the bush like in this huge like bush area for hours with like snakes and
spiders and bugs she said like spiders were crawling all over her oh God and then ended up swimming in the river with
handcuffed hands she swam through a school of jellyfish during this got stungs twice while swimming after her
ordeal and with handcuffs on Dad and she kept going she got up on the shore completely
exhausted and she just cried for cars to help her like just was like I just didn't know what else to do she was like
I was so beyond exhausted like in every way so a sheriff's deputy car pulled over
and her immediate thought was like oh my God it's him yeah like luckily it was a
real protector you the way you said it yeah you're like no [ __ ] no well this was sheriff's deputy Robert Louis
Crowder uh he was the man who stopped and he was sincerely there to help her he had not originally heard the story
from Sue and the truck driver calling the department he already knew that they were supposed to be out looking for this
girl okay how he heard this story from Schaefer himself yeah Crowder so sheriff's deputy Crowder
was home that day he was like off that day he actually said he was like mowing the lawn in one of the interviews he was
like I was literally mowing my front lawn okay and he said I get a call from Gerard Shafer and he's like what the
hell and she says I answered the phone and he says I've done something foolish you're gonna be mad at me
I'm I've done something foolish you're gonna be mad at me that's literally word for word what he said I don't even care
about the like you're gonna be mad at me I've done something foolish I've molested a young woman that's so foolish
of abducted tied up molested assaulted tortured and planned to murder and you said two women
you said abducted abducted yep yeah yeah you're gonna be mad at me foolish I did
something pretty foolish like you didn't just like uh I don't know like forget your homework yeah you literally almost
killed two women wow I literally [ __ ] hate you yeah he then proceeded to tell Crowder that he had picked some girls up
hitchhiking he decided for their own safety in the future that he was going to demonstrate why hitchhiking was so
dangerous no by literally torturing these girls in the forest no sir I don't know if you know the law which I would
assume you would since you're a police officer but that's not how it works no he said he he said I just wanted to
teach them a lesson I wanted to scare them into not hitchhiking anymore and he goes
I admit I got carried away carried away got a little carried away carried away what a little I overtaught
I over taught this you didn't put like a little extra icing on the cake nope you
destroyed two women's lives exactly yeah he so it's just insane so Crowder is like oh okay all righty so he calls the
department and he tells them that he's like you know what you need to call me if you get any information that comes in
about two girls named Nancy Trotter and Pamela Wells he was like I need to know about it he was like what the [ __ ] so he
was called when Sue and the trucker called the station but he already knew that he was supposed to be looking for
them so when they called he was like okay now we gotta go find them and he went to talk to Sue and this truck
driver so he was like okay what happened so sue told him everything or as much as
she could and said Nancy's still out there like we gotta go get her so when he was driving by he saw Nancy coming
out of the river and he told her I talked to Sue like Suzuki okay your friend is okay and he's like I'm gonna
keep you safe I'm Gonna Keep both of you safe you don't have to worry and they're
probably like I really hope you're telling you yeah dude and Nancy said she was like he was very kind and like very
like comforting in that moment like I give like he was a really good guy now luckily uh Shaffer was immediately fired
for this one this was not one of those disciplinary things arrested uh he was charged with aggravated assaults
but they let him out on bond for his trial that wouldn't be for another six months so he was out and
John Bond he just abducted two women right and only got aggravated assault like he molested her
yep all right he also is planning to kill them what if she stepped off of that rope off of that root she would
have hung right like no she told her it's the same thing though it's like a attempted murder yeah
so now he's out on bond for months and more women are now going to be in extreme danger because don't say he has
six months before his trial and in these six months he's pissed he [ __ ] up he [ __ ] up he didn't he was not satisfied
by what he did so it was during this time that he met 17 year olds Susan place and Georgia Jessup
Susan Place went to high school went to the high school that Gerard shot at the Plantation High School this is probably
where he first saw her she was blonde she had blue eyes she was sweet she was kind she was just like a
cool girl she was really independent she was born with partial Paralysis on her left side and she did suffer from
epilepsy but other than that she like tried to live a normal life she didn't let it get
to her yeah high school was a little tough because of all of this remember epilepsy was something people were like
very shitty about back then like even as recently as yeah they just didn't get it
I think they didn't understand what it was and so she even lost a job at a grocery store once because they said
that their insurance couldn't cover an epileptic working there wow yeah which was just wild to me and I found
this out in Patrick Kendrick's book so again read that book she and her family were super close she loved music like
loved it she played a ton of instruments like piano guitar she could sing she was
just like really creative when she was 17 years old she ended up leaving high school and starting her education at an
adult education center it was there that she met a man who was 26 years old and his name was Jerry
Shepard it wasn't though yep she felt very accepted by him very encouraged by him he was a nice guy he told her like
you can be great things like she felt like he got her now at the same adult education center was a girl named
Georgia Jessup who was 16 years old at the time she everyone describes her as a flower
child love like you would have loved Georgia I love um she was called Crystal by everyone
just because she liked being called Crystal because she was like crystals yeah she believed in reincarnation she
loved the idea of astrology she was just like she was she was that cool like 70.
Spirit girl she was beautiful she had brownish red hair again we have a blonde and a brunette or a redhead does he have
a thing for like redheads too I don't know huh I don't know but um her mom described her in the book uh
American Ripper as a rose and Bloom oh yeah she was really sweet she was really kind just like just like her friend and
she was also really trusting which could get her in a little bit of trouble and it wasn't because like she was like
immature or anything she was just trusting she just wanted to believe the best in people she just wanted to
believe people were good she was a flower child even like with all this podcast I'm still you still yeah you
want to believe you want to believe that people are better it's also thundering right now and the mood is set you might
hear it so she also loved um she loved interior design she was very creative she was very appreciative of like um you
know like architecture and structure she just like really had an eye for that and
at 17. yeah and she did a little modeling she was very beautiful she like her friend like Susan she ended up
leaving High School to attend the same adult education center they were all going there together she also met 26
year old Jerry Shepherd she she apparently told everyone she knew that um she had met him in a pre previous
life she felt because they had just like a connection they clicked yeah they clicked because it gave a manipulative
piece of [ __ ] he's 26 years old he's in that age group that's like cool to a 17
year old you know like a 26 year old like guy that just is like I'm a cop but then you look back up on it and you're
like why was he hanging out with us exactly but they at the time you don't think they were like when you're 17
you're like I'm just cool like that's what this is all about um she was really like into him she
really liked him she thought he was so cool and she ended up hiding a lot of stuff from her parents about him which
was not something that she would do otherwise like they were finding out like she was kind of lying and like
sneaking around a little bit and they were like this is just not like her well and he's older too yeah she probably
felt like she had to exactly now every woman he brought into his web and made a victim of his
they all shared something like or most of them I should say shared like they were emotionally going through something
it's like he picked people that were emotionally vulnerable that was kind of his thing was he could they were like in
a state where he could easily overpower them in every way physically emotionally
financially mentally everything and this was no different they were both kind of in a weird place in their lives
they had left high school they're kind of like trying to figure out what they want to do they were like you know it's
the 70s it's being 17 everything sucks and it's just like you know no one understands me you know what I mean it's
just like that he knows that that's 17 year olds are in that spot no matter what like that's almost their default
position so he knows that yeah that's why he preys on them so Jerry eventually told Susan in
Georgia that he was going to be going to Mexico and then he was going to go home
to Colorado where he lived he did not live there and it makes me wonder because again this is during that six
month period that he was awaiting trial that he was telling these girls this so it makes me wonder if he was actually
really planning to skip town to avoid that trial yeah I think he was maybe thinking he was going to leave for
Mexico I could see that but he asked them do you want to come with me to make this a big adventure you know like
everybody's hitchhiking everybody's going everywhere like you know free love let's go like let's do this so these
girls are like [ __ ] yeah that sounds awesome and again they're a bit unsettled right now so he's like let's
do this they both wanted to go they were both totally into it they were like we need some Adventure in our lives let's
get the hell out of here yeah so September 27 1972 they both ended up leaving with Jerry Shepard together
remember this is two months before his trial for the for the things he had just done to Nancy Trotter and sue Wells two
months Georgia at the time when she left she was wearing blue jeans with like these brown leather patches on them one
was in the shape of an owl and one was in the shape it had like the Road Runner on it oh cool like which was like super
cool at the time and she had left Georgia had left a note for her parents basically telling them
that she was running away like she was just running away to have some Adventure I'll be back at some point but I'm
running away for now she had gone away for small periods of time before like kind of took off for a little while and
come back but she always returned her parents knew she was kind of going through it a little bit Yeah they didn't
like it but they knew that she would come back and they probably didn't want to press too hard and have to get away
and not come back exactly and again the 70s are just a different situation and Susan actually told her mother Lucille
Lucille place that she was like you know what I want to go with this guy and with
Georgia and we're gonna have an adventure like she told her about it she was like this is what I want to do her
mother was not happy about it Lucille was like uh I don't know about that but she was like you know what she was
turning 18. I felt like I should let her do this she said she remembered Jerry and Georgia
coming over that day September 27th to get Susan and she spoke to them both so she spoke to Jerry she spoke to Georgia
she said she got a weird feeling about Jerry he wasn't like creepy but she was like I just got a Vibe it was just a
mommy Vibe and then there's all these reports that she said they had told her they were gonna go away they were gonna
go on adventure but she said right now we're just gonna go to the beach and play some guitar and hang out so she was
like okay that's fine you can go do that we'll discuss all this later like you know
so she says she watched his blue-green Datsun that Jerry has who else has one of those oh uh another guy with a name
kind of similar to Jerry could it be Gerard Gerard Shaffer she watched it pull away and she said she could see
Susan take one last look at home before she went out of sight never to be seen alive again oh no I can't imagine like
feeling that oh I feel so horrible for these parents but that picture is probably just oh burnt in her memory
burned and luckily Susan's Mom Lucille while she's watching this she said while she was feeling that weird feeling she
said I kept looking out at that vehicle in my front yard while they were in the house and she goes and I kept looking at
it and she goes and then I just was like you know what I'm gonna write that license plate down and she wrote that
license plate number down hell yeah because she was like and it proved to be one of the most important things that
anyone did in this drive wow now Susan's mother started getting worried as the she was she didn't come
home right she was only supposed to be at the beach and days went by weeks went by no call from Susan she also noticed
at one time when she was cleaning up her room she said she noticed her epilepsy medication was not on her person it was
in the drawer oh no so she's like she did not mean she didn't intend to leave for long she was going to be coming home
because she never would have left without that so she gets this weird feeling about it so she calls one of her
friends and she's like have you heard from her do you know where she could be and the friend gave her the number of
Georgia jessup's mother Shirley Jessup she was like I know they were going to be hanging out with that guy Jerry so
she calls Shirley they connect and Shirley explained you know Georgia left us a note she said she ran away and she
was like you know what she in the note she said sorry I just have to find my head okay so apparently she was feeling
a little lost yeah and she's like we we're worried too but like we didn't know what to do and we were hoping she
would just come back hearing that Susan had not run away but had like had told her mom what she was doing but had not
contacted her mother Shirley was like oh that's concerning so together the two moms called the Oakland parked police
but parked a police department and they reported the license plate number that Lucille wrote down and they reported the
car and also said his name is Jerry Shepard nothing came of it because they probably were like these are two
runaways and they just decided to go well and also this is great so Lucille sat there and wrote down that license
plate she thought about it she gives it to the police the police write their license plate number down wrong from her
telling them so it matched a completely different car and a dress which led to nothing of a dead end later they found
out that Lucille did have the right number she had not copied down the number wrong and it was the police that
wrote it down so they were able to use her right number to actually lead back to Jerry but the police wrote it down
wrong how are you not double checking that right exactly and like had you not written that down wrong yeah who knows
what could have happened the police really [ __ ] the bed with this one like really [ __ ] the bed basically these
mothers were told it was hard because they're almost of age to leave home but they're not yet so let's not say that to
me so luckily after this the jessups and the places all the moms and the dads they kept in touch they would drive
around together looking for their daughters all together they were investigating the case together yeah
like they were all doing this they did the police's job for them at this point now remember at this moment he's out on
bond right he's out on bond he's about to go on trial in November for literally abducting assaulting and attempting to
torture and murder two teenage girls and now he's literally a waiting trial with
two teenage girls meanwhile as all of this is happening Gerard's trial was in November 1972 and at this time when the
trial was happening what is about to happen Nancy Trotter and sue Wells the survivors they decided to stay where
this happened in Stuart Florida they stayed there they got jobs and lived there where they were abducted and
assaulted and almost murdered just so they could be there for the trial to testify against him wow a bad [ __ ] I
was just kidding like a couple of bad [ __ ] got jobs like we're like we're not going anywhere good like we're
staying here and we're gonna make sure you get your [ __ ] and for all they knew
he could have he was probably lurking right around there you know that's the thing they're literally living in the
same area this happened and they have to to deal with him being out and about and
like the thought of like running into him at some point yep now this is wild to me during the trial so when the trial
finally happened it was like a quick trial the girls did testify they did like [ __ ] amazing did he show up to
trial he showed up oh he showed up okay because remember right now they all that you know all
that the places and the jessops notes this Jerry shepherd man they don't know who Gerard Shafer is so Gerard Schaefer
shows up he didn't go anywhere he's still around so where are the girls yeah exactly so he shows up to his trial he
goes through the whole thing the judge was Martin County circuit court judge DC Smith and he said to Schaefer in that
courtroom are you ready no I don't think you're gonna tell by your facial expression and
the furrow in your brow that I am not ready he said I don't want to embarrass you I do but I can't conceive how you
were such an automatic jackass and a fool as you were I think we all concur in that you were a thoughtless fool
I don't know if that's quite the words that I would use I don't want to embarrass you
thoughtless fool how about a [ __ ] monster who was fully planning to torture and murder
these girls and had slung a [ __ ] noose around their necks no Elena let's make his cheeks a little red that's one
of his own let's humiliate him just a little bit I think this is the time when we can say you know what I do want to
[ __ ] embarrass you I would want to embarrass the [ __ ] out of you you [ __ ] piece of dung are you kidding me
I don't want to embarrass you you fool that's the good old boy system I'm calling him a fool he's a monster right
he's an attempted murderer hello everybody hello what is happening here everybody's just like you're such a fool
that's them taking care of their own though it truly is it's wild so Gerard told reporters outside the courtroom
with a smile because he was always smiling I bet he was he said I made a stupid mistake there was no sex involved
no one got hurt yeah because they got away dude and actually got hurt it did get hurt no one got hurt are you kidding
me girl was stung by multiple jellyfish escaping you they both had to swim across a [ __ ] River in the Everglades
basically to [ __ ] handcuffed yeah are you kid no one was hurt they're gonna be
destroyed for the rest of their lives emotionally from that like what the [ __ ]
dude so he ended up accepting a plea deal oh my gosh and he only had to plead guilty to one charge of aggravated
assault that's absolute bullshite and this meant that Gerard was sentenced to one year in jail with the possibility of
parole after six months wow and three years of probation which he was just gonna skip out on anyway he attempted to
hang two teenage girls and sexually assaulted them while planning to murder them but okay justice system alrighty
okay totally yeah but this was in December that he was even officially sentenced the trial began in November
remember and he did start serving his sentence but he started serving it January 15
1973. he was sentenced in December didn't start serving until January 15th I never understand how that worked they
just let him out they just let him out for a little while longer before he had to come service
center Affairs together is that what it is just get your [ __ ] together so he didn't start that sentence until
technically six months after he had done the crime and then he could like you could have they're in the same Community
he could have hurt them and you just like let him walk exactly cool and now Susan place and Georgia Jessup have been
missing for months at this point and they were last seen with Jerry Shepard whose car physical description and home
later we find out match [ __ ] Gerard Shafer I gotta go now days before he began his sentence on January 15th two
more women went missing are you serious days before he went in because they knew
he was going away a few months Colette Marie good enough and Barbara and Wilcox were both 19 years old one Blonde one
brunette they matched the profile they were friends from Cedar Rapids Iowa who were looking to hitchhike across the
country from Iowa to Florida they said they were going to be staying with a friend this friend was a male friend
from college who they had met in Iowa but this guy had lived in Florida interesting he told them he was going
back and they should come stay with him when they could in Florida he was like going back to Florida come stay with me
so they're really cool it'll be a fun road trip yeah so they stopped in Biloxi Mississippi where they were staying with
family on the way and then sometime between January 8 and January 11th so before he's in jail
they left again to hitchhike to Florida according to family members they were staying with they said they they left
our house then so this is between seven and four days before this guy starts serving his
sentence and he's just out in Iowa yep now during this time before Colette and Barbara left Iowa in the fall of 1972
they were in Iowa before they left to go to Florida Schaefer admits he left the state unlawfully well out on bound on
bonds wow in the fall either right before or during his trial are you kidding me
so he said he left to go so later he was like yes I did leave unlawfully because
you were out on you're not supposed to leave the stage no he says he went to go on a hunting trip and he said I went
somewhere like South Dakota somewhere like South and they were like well you would probably know where you
went where did you go and he's like I don't know somewhere around South Dakota oh you just don't know yeah you just
don't have to went to a place but he was later discovered that during this time there was long-distance phone calls made
to his home in Stuart Florida during this time from Cedar Rapids Iowa there you have it he was in the place these
girls were living for a while and according to American Ripper Patrick Kendrick reports that Colette was a
lover of poetry and often wrote it herself she was also suffering from some emotional issues and sought professional
help from them I want you to for like for her emotional issues I want you to hold on to that okay because that does
come back later Colette and Barbara were were close friends they were like ready
to set off on an adventure together and they definitely came across Gerard Shaffer during this time 100 the theory
is that I mean he made phone calls from Cedar Rapids Iowa to home he was there yeah during this time right it was
definitely he was pretending to go to college and he met them they became friends because he was able to charm and
he told them you know what I'm going back home to Florida why don't you come out and visit me right and I'm gonna be
back only for this short period of time so you got to get there before I go to [ __ ] jail he didn't say that but he
was definitely being like I gotta be somewhere in January so get here right so there's that now meanwhile so that
happened they went missing they never arrived in Florida nobody heard from them and their families were like they
would have told us where they were yeah now meanwhile January 17 1973 two days after this schmuck finally starts
serving his sneeze of a sentence yes for real another horrific Discovery was found that would later be linked to
Gerard Shafer remember this six-month period of time that he was allowed to troll around was really detrimental he
also did a ton of [ __ ] before this but that time he definitely did some [ __ ]
during this time so in Plantation Florida remember where he had worked as a teacher yep where he
had met like all some of the victims in Plantation Florida two workers were surveying an empty lot because they were
going to be building condos there one of these workers James Christian was surveying near a set of bushes and he
just noticed something red in the bush he went closer and he quickly discovered that what he was seeing was part of a
dead body it was horrifically battered the red he had seen were from a pair of hip hug or maroon pants that were not on
the body but near it the body's legs were spread apart and they were still wearing a red white and
blue t-shirt her hands were covered in so like I guess they were like buried in the soil a little bit okay which made
them weirdly preserved like really well preserved and there were several broken fingernails on her hands showing a lot
of Defense wounds had occurred she had struggled yeah now somehow this got worse her head had been severed from her
body and it was lying in a puddle of blood nearby oh my God the lower jaw of her head was shattered and a tooth was
missing at least one the body appeared to be that of a young girl in her teens oh
so police were called to the scene they closed it all off they bring the body in
for identification in an autopsy and when they searched the scene with excavation tools they found
um a pair of like a young teenager girls underwear the missing tooth from the skull and several fingernails which were
literally ripped off her hand oh my God you also wonder what happens to the people that find these bodies for those
kind of people I can't imagine because they nothing can prepare you for that nothing especially that brutal brutal
now an autopsy showed that the shattered jaw was part of a Blow To The Head that
was likely the one that killed her she was a teenager they said between the ages of what they thought was 16 to 22
approximately and she had been dead likely somewhere between one and three months maybe four at the most okay she
was brunette about five five medium builds she remained unidentified at this time
one month later February 15th in the same exact lot they were moving forward to build the condos because
they're like okay they're like we just have to go forward in an area only 200 yards away from where the first body was
found another body was lying there ready to be found now oh my God in the open she too was a young teen girl and was
found with a Blow To The Head and was decapitated these bodies and their discoveries were
covered a lot in the news but no one was coming forward to identify either of them then one night a man named Anthony
briskalina was watching the news when a story came on and he immediately felt his heart drop his daughter Mary
briskalina had run away in October 1972 months earlier and he had not heard from
her since she was only 14 years old had brown hair and had left home with a pair
of maroon Hip Huggers just like the ones founded next to the body 14 14 and the reason that they estimated it was like
between 16 and 22 was I think she was just like taller for her age and like resembles an older looked a little older
he got her dental rest so her father ran and got her dental records to bring to the Emmy
and immediately they were compared they were a match the body was his missing daughter oh no now this led them to
identify the second body because they knew that she was with a girl who was only 13 years old oh my God a girl named
Elsie farmer now Mary's younger sister told investigators that she had seen Mary
leave October 22nd 1972 with Elsie this was right before I remember his trial yep right before the month before and
that they were running away they together they were going to run away they had to they had been having some
issues with that lately taking off hanging with a bad crowd kind of like going through it yeah she now her little
sister had tried to convince her to stay but she watched Mary pack those maroon pants and leave with some voice
now Elsie lived with her half-sister Linda Walker and Linda's husband Robert her family life was really rough before
staying with her half-sister her parents had literally just left her like left the house and kicked her out of it when
she was 10 years old she came home from school one day and they were just that's
it they were like you have no family and it was her half-sister who brought her in and like took care of her yeah
October 24th Linda said she and Elsie or Linda her half-sister said that she'd seen Elsie at the trailer they lived in
with Mary a boy named John Higgins and another boy named Russ Coleman they were they weren't a guy named Bob
Wyatt's car and Bob was at one time dating Mary so these were just all people who knew each other
now Elsie or excuse me Linda the half-sister should she left for an appointment and when she came back
everyone was gone and there was a note that Elsie had left saying she would be back later but she never came back
so she and her husband Robert searched themselves for her and then immediately filed a police report
nothing came of it they now knew that the second body was that of Elsie farmer but they were nowhere near finding the
killers or killer we'll get back to this later so right now unidentified and I'm sorry both were
decapitated both were decapitated okay yeah so at this point Gerard is now because
now we've made it to his sentence he is now in jail for the horrific crimes against Sue and Nancy and police are
still snoozing on any information about the missing Georgia and Susan right so early 1973 Lucille plays Susan's mom
called up detective she had spoken to and she said you know what you're not doing anything so I'm just going to
investigate this myself so she said send me everything you have I called you this
and they did I love that they were just like yeah we aren't gonna do [ __ ] so here you go wow
what a bunch of [ __ ] what the [ __ ] so now together Susan and George's parents
not the police ended up matching a letter Lucille found in Susan's room from Jerry Shepard to the address on the
envelope going to the address of that was connected to the Datsun where they had finally gotten the right plate the
car was indeed registered to that address so they were able to link that up she spoke to the apartment manager
where the address was and the man confirmed that the car and the man who lived there was named Gerard Shafer and
he said yes he drives that that dats in that's his license plate he lived here but he told her I he knew Gerard he said
he's really strange he's really belligerent he like and he says he's actually a former police officer and he
shoot they were like what the [ __ ] and then he goes yeah but he's not anymore because he's actually in the Sheriff's
Department jail being held on assault charges for two female hitchhikers right and they were like are you [ __ ]
kidding me and like our two girls are missing this must have been terrifying here of course because at that point you
probably just lose all hope that you're ever gonna find them alive exactly and they were probably like wait how long
has he been in jail because they're probably hoping in their head like okay maybe he's been in jail this whole time
and we just this is wrong and so that he was like no he just wanted to go oh like
he just like he was definitely out during that time and they're like [ __ ] and to think of what he had done to
Nancy Trotter and sue Wells and now he is possibly the man your daughter's left with months ago I just like can't even
no so the places in the jessups are still doing the police's job and after they learned that Gerard Shafer was
actually the man who was likely Jerry Shepard and that his landlord said he was in jail for assaulting two teenage
girls they went right to the jail where he was being held hell yeah and they spoke to a sergeant there and they
explained the situation and the places uh the places actually gave the sergeant a photo of Susan and they said you go
back there and you show it to him and you asked him if he knows this girl hell yeah so he went back there and he
talked to him and he denied ever meeting Susan but the cops came back and the sergeant was like yeah he's a
bullshitter though like I don't believe him like he's a he's an [ __ ] and a compulsive liar so he gave the the
sergeant actually gave the places a negative like a photo of Schaefer and they said like they kind of showed the
lineup and they were like is he in here they were like that is Jerry Shepard oh she was like he was in my house I know
that man that is him that is the man that left with my daughter that day and her daughter but that's it nothing
nothing happened the police were like wow okay what the [ __ ] like I don't know
what to tell you dude so now the places and the jessups were like well we're gonna bring this to the media now yeah
exactly you want to poke around and find out so they spoke with a woman named Jane Ellison who was a reporter for the
Palm Beach Post times and she was like all right I'm gonna get on this with you like I'm gonna help you
get this out there now it wasn't until April 1st 1973 a couple months later that two bodies were found
now a man named Henderson Hawley and his son Jesse were collecting aluminum cans
in Hutchinson Island Florida Hutchinson Island might sound familiar because that
is where Gerard safer brought Nancy Trotter and sue Wells as he so as uh Henderson wandered off to
collect some more cans he said he saw in the bushes he saw like what he thought was clothing and he said it was stained
and ripped and strewn around everywhere and he saw a pink blouse shirt white underwear black heels and another pair
of shoes that were blue and he was nearing a tree seeing this and he said the smell was outrageous but
he said there was a nuclear plant nearby and he was like I don't know if that's what makes it like something's weird
yeah there were clouds of flies everywhere and he said he suddenly saw a part of a human body but he said it was
still tied to the base of a tree oh my God and he said it had been slightly hidden by palm trees but almost
like it was like a joke right like I'm not really trying to hide this but I'm gonna pretend there was no head to this
body and the spine had been broken oh my God one arm was removed but the other had rope attached to it obviously a
ligature there were claw marks on the tree that came from this person trying to fight to free themselves
as he backed away he stumbled over his second body oh my God it was also headless and the spine had been cut in
two this body still had a pair of jeans on and the jeans he noticed had a leather
patch on it one was a roadrunner patch and one was an owl Georgia so these were Georgia and Susan
now it was Jane Ellison the reporter who suggested to police that they should look into these bodies as possibly
belonging to Georgia Jessup and Susan place you think because she's working with the parents now and they're like
you need to tell me these are not my kids like so she also told them by the way Gerard Shaffer should definitely be
a suspect here like why are you guys not [ __ ] looking into this like why is everyone doing your job yeah like the
mom literally was able to identify him yeah now four days later they were both identified by dental records as Georgia
Jessup and Susan Place April 7 1973 after the discovery of Susan place in Georgia jessup's murdered remains a
search warrant was executed at Schaefer's mother's home since he is now a suspect they hit the jackpots
now I'm not going to list everything they got out of here I'm telling you go read the book he has a complete list of
every single thing they took from this house and it is extensive and terrifying great I'll just
mention a few things they found women's jewelry human teeth in a vial they also found a ton of weapons like machetes
several guns several knives they also found a bunch of photos of mutilated women they found small bones that were
clearly human then they went to this was just at his mother's home by the way and it was in a
room where he told everybody don't you dare go in that room so no one was allowed to go in that room in his
mother's house so like uh this is my house Gerard this is my house buddy but yeah so then they did a search warrant
on Schaefer's home and they found a white pillowcase with stains on it which would make sense later when you read
some of his writings uh they also found some more guns they found a bunch of ammunition they found
cloths that had been ripped into like little straps like yeah um they found human teeth in his house
as well a lot of teeth a lot of gold fillings that had been extracted a lot of photos of women's genitals like just
random photos and a lot of photos of mutilated women a lot of photos of him in sometimes wearing women's clothing
and like quote unquote hanging basically btking there was also a seven page typed
paper with um that was like handwritten too like it was like typed and then hand written on
the margins and it was about the hanging of a woman in a swamp area she was in it she was
stripped pillowcase was put over her neck a noose around her neck he dressed her in some kind of like shroud he
literally tortured her terrorized her the description is horrific horrific there is so much descriptive awfulness
in this and it tells about like how he felt to tell us about like the sexual pleasure he derived from this it tells
about murdering her about mutilating her about dumping her remains there was also
a five-page handwritten uh letter and it basically talked about some unknown female who was wearing a white waitress
dress which we'll come back later in the area of a power line road which is a road that will also come back later
didn't say the date didn't say the time but talked about terrorizing her killing
her doing the same kind of thing there was also sketches involved in all of this and these sketches were what he had
drawn of women hanging being tortured being murdered being mutilated very vile very focused also all these
descriptions like I said before on what happens after you die urination defecation all the awful stuff
they also found an envelope that was addressed to Gerard Shafer and it was from a publication company because
remember when I told you before he used to pretend to be a research assistant to
try to get information yup this letter was postmarked May 15 to 1970 and it was a two-page letter and it said can't help
you with information you requested and the letter that was attached was one they had sent back to Schaefer and it
was him asking for information about women being executed and wearing waterproof underwear during executions
what the [ __ ] yeah there was another envelope addressed to him and it was from Victoria Australia
from 1971 and it contained 13 black and white photographs of nude women 11 of them appeared to be in the middle
of being hanged one was decapitated the [ __ ] is this world yeah it's horrific [ __ ] yeah uh in
May 1970s and there was more there was even there was hundreds of pages of handwritten what he did he said was
fictional stories that he had written about several abductions tortures mutilations murders
the most horrific [ __ ] you will ever read in your life Patrick Hendrick has a lot in the book but it's a lot now in
may 1973 he was solidly charged with first-degree murder in the cases of Susan place and Georgia Jessup because
after they found all that [ __ ] they were like well I think you did now that the trial was about to begin
these things were all over the news because of this two investigators started speaking to a lot of people who
suddenly felt like Gerard Shafer may have known their missing loved ones because now this is going everywhere and
they're like wait I might they might have been around that guy like I think I have a connection
here right and I have somebody who's missing a guy named Raymond Cummings was a guy who was friends with John Higgins
who was married briskelina's friend she was the one who Elsie and her were last seen with yeah now John Higgins and Ray
Cummings told investigators that they saw photos of Gerard Shaffer on the news and they said wait we know him but he
said but we know him as Gary Shepard Gary Shepard now oh yeah exactly like Jerry Shepard now Shepard had told these
guys that he was an ex-police officer and they told investigators that the reason Mary and Bob Wyatt who liked
whose car they were driving that night were not dating anymore was because when she went missing he was sure before that
that she was seeing Gary Shepard that something was going on between them so that that 100 tells you that they worked
like around each other she was like 13 right she was 14. 14. yeah they had been seen together on several occasions
several people identified a photo of Gerard Shaffer as Gary Shepard and now someone came forward to say that
Mary and Elsie were also last seen getting into a car with Gary Shepard oh no so 100 when all of this happened Mary
briskalina's family were asked to see if any of the belongings found in Schaefer's home and his mother's home
belonged to Mary they identified three pieces of very unique jewelry as belonging to her one was a Madonna and
cross medal another was a bracelet with 11 Rose beads on it and the third was a green glass pin and it was shaped by it
was either shaped like a dog or like a poodle or something like that okay it was just very unique yeah it's like
green glass right like not something everybody would have on them yeah he had her jewelry now Patrick Kendrick asked
investigators why they never bought these murder case cases against Gerard they were like okay well you clearly he
did this like you have all the information you need aside from a full-blown confession and so Patrick
Kendrick was like why did you not charge him and the police were basically like he was going to prison already so
oh yeah that's how that works he's already going to prison so he literally told Kendrick they believed he was the
Prime Suspect and that this evidence was damning to say the least but they were like
what the [ __ ] we had it I guess so there's that now a newspaper clipping telling of the girls of the missing
girls Lee Hayne abonities and Carmen Hallock were also found among his possessions just a newspaper clipping
about that oh yeah just that and there was also found in those belongings just to tie this back to other ones a story
about a woman named Carmen he had named the victim in his story Carmen in the story there's a woman wearing a
black dress and black heels which is what she was seen leaving in the evening that she went missing and those things
were not found in her home those pieces of clothing and he mentions something in
this story about auburn hair which she had and auburn hair is not like that's a very specific hair yeah and she had it
now this story about this particular person is brutal in a way I can't even describe to
you I can't even right nope cool definitely not because I couldn't even say these words out loud I could not
even say this story out loud the description of her assault torture rape murder and mutilation is unlike
anything your worst nightmares could conjure up no like I write horror this is something so beyond and so real
like this it is so reality and it's so horrific that I can't even begin to I can't even begin and Patrick Kendrick
has the entire thing of this particular story in the book I again could encourage you to read that
book because it's so fascinating and he did such hard work investigating this case but I just want to warn you that is
in there he gives you a warning in the book that it's coming so you're not just gonna stumble upon it yeah if that it's
really bad just to forewarn you but again read Patrick Hendrick's book no either way I don't want to scare anybody
away from reading it because again he gives you a warning but either way there's literally a story about a woman
named Carmen and a description of what she's wearing when the real Carmen Hallock went missing and the color of
her hair and he writes in this tale quote the lower jaw I buried and the rest of her skull with the face smashed
in and the teeth pulled out I put in another Canal some 10 miles from the rest of the body
two of the teeth found in his home were that of Carmen Hallock and he never got tried for her murder nope and they were
identified as belonging to Carmen halleck and he just found them somewhere isn't what they thought forensic Dental
professionals so these are identified as Carmen and she was mid like he talks about it in that story
like I just don't understand how they could not why they wouldn't do that if this doesn't prove it a man named John
Dolan came forward to say that he had actually been Gerard Shafer's roommate at one time and John Dolan said he John
Dolan had dated Carmen at one point so he goes Gerard definitely knew her she was coming back to our house he had seen
her he had talked to her right he knew who she was they also knew each other because of the Broward Junior College
thing like there was so many connections between this and they're like yeah I don't know yes her teeth are just in his
mouth I don't know he's so crazy he's saying he just wrote a story and it's like what the [ __ ] her teeth are in his
home Carmen was never found Carmen was never found and in this story he talks about how he like made sure she would
never be found why do you think he went to such lengths to make sure she was specific I don't know I don't know
because she maybe because she was one of the first ones yeah she was an early one
okay like way she was with Lee like that that was one of the really early ones in
6970 that he was I think starting out and was Lee found Lee was she eventually is found okay
not only that but they also found jewelry in his possession that was identified as having belonged to Lee wow
her family confirmed it was a swimming Club Pin a Disney pin and a gold locket with the name Lee
inscribed on it oh my god dude there was also a story another horrifically graphic one that described the torture
and murder of a woman like I said before in a white waitress uniform oh that's what Lee was wearing the day she
disappeared the story she was literally supposed to be at work and was wearing a
white waitress uniform the story mentioned that this woman was tortured and killed off Power Line Road
well in 1978 later a group of men hunting found the top half of a woman of a human skull off
Power Line Road the top half the skull had three large bullet holes in it and was later identified as that of Lee Hain
line that's awful that would be one hell of a coincidence I would say so and also
you heard that right the top half of a spell which turns out to be part of his thing is he cuts the skull in half how
he is unlike anything you've ever seen they found several of Colette good enough's
handwritten and signed poems in this search as well no and they also found an ID card with the name collect good
enough to enter treatment at an emotional health center she was attending because like I said she had
been entering professional treatment they found an ID card from one with her name on it they also found her literal
birth certificate they found her passport and other identifications with her name and information on them in his
home in his home later in 1977 a truck driver found two entangled skeletons while walking along
a canal in St Lucie Florida the arms of the skeletons were tied together and to each other with baling wire which is
like really gnarly like silver Wire yeah and the tops of the skulls had both been
cut off okay just likely it took a long time but forensic Dental experts identified the skeletons of those of
Colette good enough and Barbara Wilcox in 1981 that canal in St Lucie where they were found dried up and someone
found the top of Barbara wilcox's skull there Colette's top of her skull has never been found why right
it's like in one of the stories which was handwritten he also says that whoever his like he calls his bad guy
the ghoul okay he's so [ __ ] stupid the ghoul and he talks about how he used to use pliers
and he would pull out gold fillings they found a [ __ ] ton of gold fillings in his possession and he always and he
says something in his writings that like we always Salvage something from the bodies and he talked about gold fillings
again they found so many of them like it is very clear that this is not fiction no it is reality he's living it like
it's stuff in his house they also found envelopes with the name Jerry Shepard on
them in his position what more did they want though yeah come on and it also became clear that he was
not like another serial killer that they could point to like this was a very we he was so beyond anything his
pre-elections were so specific and so [ __ ] vile he was obsessed with torture he was obsessed
with humiliation and causing Terror in his victims and he also sexualized defecation and urination so he would
force his victims to drink a lot so that they would urinate while he hung them ew
he also loved to dismember and mutilate and he was a necrophiliac oh it was just
a storm of the worship everything in one person shaped evil cloud of swamp gas like that's what he was he's a
person-shaped evil cloud of swamp gas yeah that's what he is and he had the benefit of wearing
a [ __ ] police uniform while doing it that's insane so people trusted him now during the murder trial Schaefer
literally smiled like he was posing for photos like like the victims was mothers
and fathers took the stand and he would lock eyes with them and smile like cheese what a [ __ ] dick vile creature
is what he is a lot happened during the trial like Schaefer's friend calling in a bomb threat to move the trial yeah I
have to go read the book um but something came out about Georgia Jessup and Susan place's crime scene
that was also pretty wild and unexplained Patrick Duvall from the St Lucie County
Sheriff's Office was on scene the day that they found those bodies and he was cross-examined on the stand and during
this he talked about how horrific that scene really was and he said he found both the girls scalps in different
places and the tree was clearly used as a method of more torture and murder excuse me what he said there was a bunch
of chop marks in the tree on the bottom and there were pieces of cloth from the girls dresses in the chop marks oh my
God yeah he also mentioned that the initials G J were carved into the tree and they were done recently he said it
hadn't healed over yet and Patrick Kendrick explains in his book that people either think that
Gerard John Schaefer went back to the crime scene and did this like GJ got interrupted her just didn't finish his
initials or that Georgia Jessup carved her initials into that tree to be identical while watching her friend
being massacred because she may have done this so she could be identified later and that's which who sorry uh oh
no I was no you go ahead that's the thing too with how he picks two people is one of them has to sit there and
watch the other one and know what's gonna happen to them and they said that was 100 part of it absolutely he would
pick two women because he wanted one of them to watch the other one that is and and just we can't even fathom what
possibly happened out there you can't even rap and none of us should none of us should ever fathom what happened
there that the the cloth from their dresses was in the tree like yep he's just like
hacking away yeah he's so beyond an animal or like he's just he's undescribed I was going to say
that's not even enough he really is and during the murder trial for Susan well or excuse me for Susan place and Georgia
Jessup Nancy Trotter and sue Wells took the stand again wow during the murder trial like two badasses and testified
about their ordeal with Gerard Shafer meanwhile his lawyers were trying to paint these two survivors as runaways
and basically saying they were being taught a lesson and he just got carried away oh yeah taught a lesson have you
ever been taught a lesson like that and they're like okay yeah like sure at that
point I'd be like do you want to learn the same lesson why don't we have him take you out there too is that a lesson
you want to learn you can figure out the lesson that I learned yeah oh my tell me
what I learned having they sit there and hear that and to sit there and be like yeah okay yeah it was just a lesson yeah
thank you for that and you know you know some of these men truly believe that oh
absolutely truly believe he was teaching in the lessons and it's like [ __ ] you
right so the state brought up Dr Joseph Davis the Dade County medical exam to explain the findings of the finding of
the bodies in the picture painted from him was even worse he said both heads were missing and there was evidence that
a sharp instrument was used to cut them off one of them had cuts into the fourth
cervical vertebrae so he'd cut directly through it's and he went into like detail about
the crime scenes and about how like there's an interview in the book about this that like they go back and forth
like the cross-examination and how he's like the the attorney was trying to be like so this couldn't be self-inflicted
and he was like no I do not think that they cut their own heads off no thank you for asking though like he's
literally are you [ __ ] kidding me the whole time now September 27 1973 that is the exact day
that they were taken from their house oh wow like a year to the day he was found guilty of first-degree
murder for the deaths of both Susan place and Georgia Jessup you know that reincarnation is real Georgia because
Georgia did because Georgia did that 100 that's what I was thinking the date again the exact day yeah now October 4th
on what would have been Susan place's 19th birthday he was sentenced to two concurrent life sentences bye like on
Susan place's 19th birthday yeah that come on that's some spiritual [ __ ] right
there now he was smiling and chatting with reporters outside the courtroom he told them he had written something on
the prison cell wall in the courtroom in the courthouse where they kept him and what they found out it said was this is
the land of lost content I see it shining plain the happy highways where I went and cannot go again
and I did not look it up I wanted to see if you knew what that was from can you say it one more time I'm sorry this is
the land of lost content I see it shining plain the happy highways where I went and cannot go again
it does sound doesn't it sound familiar I was hoping that you would get it but I
don't know what it is I'm gonna look it up right now I just wanted to see if you
would know what it was no it sounds very familiar I feel like I'm gonna be pissed
when you when we figure it out okay I looked it up and it is a poem by A.E houseman
and it is called a Shropshire lad XL I don't know why this sounded familiar it sounded very familiar but maybe I
maybe we read it in like something I don't know like high school but basically the analysis of it is that I
mean the analysis of this act that he did was to seem like he is intelligent and deep in any way but he is not uh but
it's basically like that whole little stanza is that like I'm looking back with nostalgically at like what I once
had and where I once lived but I can't go back there right so it's like so it's like you did I don't know why I said so
it's like twice I recognized it as soon as the second one came off but it's basically him being like
I murdered a bunch of people and did all these horrible things so I can't go back
to that life I once had where I was a police officer and I was this and I was that I can't go back to that that land
of being free to abduct teenage girls and murder them because now I have to face this yeah exactly that's what that
says to me like I can't go back to that life yeah killing and which to me isn't caught
pretty confessional to me one might say pretty confessional but to him I think he thinks it's like deep kind of a
confession but not really and it's also like him being like I just love poetry guys I bet and it's
like you're you're a [ __ ] idiot No One Believes you read poetry get out of here I wonder if one of the girls showed
him that poem I'm sorry who did you say loved poet Colette I wonder showed him that Paul I wondered that too but wrote
poetry alone or maybe even had a book of poetry with her and he read it in there
it's true it definitely could have been that because he was also a creative writing like major at one point like he
didn't enjoy it but I think maybe they but that's not a not a bad uh point that like Colette probably because she was
known to be like a poetry girl right she wrote it she read it she always had it with her right so that would be
something and that's an obscure one it feels like yeah it feels like something that maybe she would have brought up
yeah which I think is another like he's doing another needle at the parents basically
um now remember at this time he's still married by the way I don't know if we all forgot that the
way that you just dropped a [ __ ] bomb I thought he got divorced he got divorced from his first
wife Martha he's still married to that girl he met at the grocery store oh [ __ ]
he is still married didn't have kids but he's still married because this all happened in the span of
not that long of time it's only a couple years that poor woman so this woman is still his wife still married to him
watching all this oh my God yeah I can't imagine oh yeah and we're gonna get back
to her in a second because something happens okay so Susan places mother Lucille said after the verdict quote
I'll never accept the fact that Susan has been murdered or that she's dead I cry every day how she must have suffered
if I only knew right now that her death for her was quick but who knows what he did to her and she also said she was
happy with the sentencing she said quote at first I thought I would like to see him dead but I think people suffer more
with confinement which I agree no now his writings were a pivotal part of convicting him it was introduced as
evidence he wrote what happened word for word some of the names of his writings by the way into the mind of the ghoul
flies in her eyes oh my God blonde on a stick and [ __ ] what to do about them oh yeah I want to castrate him and in
1991 in an interview he was asked about his writings and he goes on this long rant you can look it up on like Google
his interviews they're wild to watch can I ask if he's still alive uh he's not okay and don't worry that's it's a good
ending it's a good end uh but he went on like so he's asked about the writings and he goes on this long rant about how
they're just fantasy and other horror writers don't get blamed for doing the things they write but I think that's
because they don't have teeth in their house Gerard I think that's why yeah I think that's why I would say so I
would say which I was like I was waiting for the interviewer to be like I don't I
think that's because they don't have body parts in their house yeah that are connected to actual murderers and
jewelry belonging to murder victims like he literally acts like they're in at one
point he acts like the interviewer is just begging him to read these out loud because he keeps saying well you'll just
use it like a confession if I read it out loud and the guy's like you really don't have to it's fine like I'm like I
don't I'm honestly not asking you to and then he goes with absolutely no pushing
he goes you want me to read it okay I'll read it I'll read it out loud and the guy's like uh okay I want you to read it
sir and he goes I'll just he goes I'll just trust you to do the right thing so he was like you're gonna use a snippet
of this as a confession and then he's like all right I'll read it I want to read it out loud because it's like what
because you are that narcissistic and you're that like yes desperate for anybody to give you any attention that
you're like all right I'll just read it aloud I guess what the [ __ ] you wanted
to read it so badly out loud and he's cheesing while he's reading these vile things out loud
he can barely contain himself and he says he is better than Stephen King I beg to differ to which I say no you're
not Hey sir and he's just being he says I'm just being convicted because I wrote
horror and he says and I was exceptional at it that's why I'm being convicted because I am an exceptional writer
that's why to which I say no it was the teeth I think it would partly it was the
teeth I found in your house teeth and I think it was the birth certificate of a murder victim in the jewelry of a murder
victim the several witnesses seeing you with murder victims the stained pillowcases that you wrote about in your
writing the machetes the weapons probably all that the fact that you freely admitted and were convicted of
bringing two girls under the same circumstances to the same place where other murder victims were found and
trying to kill them based off of the titles of your writings I don't necessarily think you're a prolific
writer nope don't think so into the mind of the ghoul blonde on a stick a horrific yeah I don't think so now it
has been speculated a lot how many murders he's truly responsible for I mean because it's definitely more oh
yeah because around this time too there's a lot of hitchhikers a lot of runaways and unfortunately he had that
women are you know that Madonna horror complex and he wanted to he his whole thing was I want to rid the world of
these [ __ ] that's what I want to do and if he thought you were away from his like his value system then he was going
to rid the world of you and did he say what his value system was well he goes back and forth with it because he's a
bullshitter because he's so he just wanted to kill people yeah exactly women but you know there were some like sex
workers there were some people traveling through runaways people who didn't have
families who didn't report them missing right that were definitely on his list absolutely and just the fact that there
were people that we know he killed that were never found yeah exactly we know he's capable of hiding a body oh yeah
unfortunately very well absolutely so district attorney Robert Stone actually had the list at 34. he believes he is at
least 34. wow now he actually wrote in a letter because he was writing to his ex-girlfriend Sandra London there for a
while out of prison we'll get to her in a second he wrote as you know and this was in 1991 he said I've always harped
on district attorney Robert Stone's list of 34. in 1973 I sat down and Drew up a
list of my own now remember he's claiming he's never murdered anyone right but now he's writing a list as I
recall my list was just over 80. I'm sure so yeah so then he went on and said I'm not claiming a huge number I
would say it runs between 80 and 110. but I thought you didn't kill anybody yeah but over eight years in three
continents what please and this is really horrific and I just want to warn you right now trigger warning this is
just like a really gross thing to say he said one [ __ ] drowned in her own vomit
while watching me disembowel her girlfriend I'm not sure that counts as a valid kill did the pregnant ones count
as two kills it gets confusing [ __ ] off that's what he wrote and then he tried to say that's horrific I didn't
kill anyone what are you talking about he's he's also I like he did absolutely 100 kill
these people he is writing this [ __ ] for shock exactly exactly he 100 killed more people and
he's a bio sadistic monster of unbelievable proportions but I also think he's a little [ __ ] and he likes
to scare people that's part of his thing that's part of what he would do to these
women was Terror he inflicted Terror on them he likes to do it to people when he's in prison he likes to do it to
people anytime he can yeah so it's one of those things I just like to write it's like Albert Fish yep I just like to
write this [ __ ] because I get off on it exactly he's reliving it he's this is what I would have done yeah and then I
watched another interview with him and he said I know a lot of serial killers in here remember he was in prison in
Florida so in the 70s so he did he said I know a lot of serial killers in here and none of them deny it
um yeah most of them do actually like a lot of them deny it yeah most of them do
like Ted Bundy was like I didn't do that he actually tried to prove his own case
if you remember but in the same interview he says the latest Donald Evans you can't shut him up Donald Evans
was convicted of killing at least three people between 85 and 91. and unfortunately he's right about that the
guy confessed like a billion times even to people at rest stops like he couldn't
stop confessing wow but it's like no that you just pulled one that's like a weird one that just like liked
confessing to people right and then he says in this interview he was like flexing that he like talked to other
serial killers and I was like are you all right sir he's like this is a club he said in this interview oddest tool I
talked to him this morning cool oh cool it's because you're locked in a [ __ ] cage with him because
you're a goddamn evil creature from the depths of the bowels of Hell's ass like that's that's not cool that you're like
oh I talked to him this morning yeah you're locked in the same cage you idiot of course you're gonna see you I'm
jealous like you're dumb you both got caught and he said he goes oddest doesn't deny
anything he says Henry Lee Lucas is lying he says we killed over 100 people together and he's trying to say we
didn't so we're so we're just believing on this tool now like we've picked oddest tool
as the Haven of truth and the Unholy Duo of the oddest tool and Henry Lee Lucas we're really just looking at him as like
what is that he did yeah yeah well all this said honest okay yeah totally for sure between the two of them I'm good we
haven't covered them yet but are we going to just you waiting it's gonna be bad but okay Gerard we get it you're in
prison in Florida you're gonna be meet some bad guys so less than two months after the trial
this is where we get back to his wife oh okay yeah what's up two months after the
trial no his lawyer his defense attorney Elton Schwartz and Gerard's wife Teresa
got married she divorced Schaefer for this man he married like she married the man that was
defending her husband against murder his attorney married the wife of the man he was defending against
what what yes what yes two months after the trial Teresa his wife who he was still married
to married his defense attorney what I said I found one an article from 1990 where he was requesting a new trial
because his defense attorney was just getting he says my defense attorney was just getting me put in jail in order to
marry my wife I mean that which would be valid yeah it would be valid if it was anyone else obviously this guy's a
raging murderous disgusting monster and deserves to have his attorney I like his
wife but like that's a conflict of interesting Schwartz what the [ __ ] were you doing you just gave him all the
leverage in the world to claim that he didn't get a fair trial because you wanted him in jail so you could marry
his wife what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is wrong with you love makes you do crazy
things sure does like make this guy look like he has a valid point what the [ __ ]
blew my goddamn mind I don't even know if yeah I'm fried here over here like what
the [ __ ] I'm just like in this same year that this happened his former girlfriend
Sandra London published self-published excuse me no one was actually going to publish this a collection of his stories
she got she published them yeah we have to stop here because I'm actually physically mentally emotionally uh
financially just done it is called killer fiction and I hate it why did she [ __ ] do that why would you ever do
that why would she do that the issue here too is these are not only his sick [ __ ] thoughts this is what he's
legitimate confessions just veiled as fiction they're thinly veiled too and he just wants to tell everyone what
he did without getting in trouble for it that's all this was and I'm sorry so is
this the same woman that married his defense attorney no this is Sandra London his former girlfriend from high
school what yep and she also got involved with other serial killers I have to like into
this thing you oh okay yeah yeah okay but she also in later she was like oh yeah no I don't want anything to do with
them but I'm like you published his story why did you do that why would you put his stories out for the world to see
did she ever say why she did that she just her interviews are wild you need to find her on there too because
this is him feel it's another way for him to be powerful and for him to make people read what he has actually done
right and even like for the families to know that those books are out there and even though that book is out there even
some of the inmates who are in there with him who are actual serial killers said they couldn't even read his
writings they didn't even want him to read them out loud because they were like that's too much yeah he would also
for a while Sue anyone who mentioned him in anything every author who mentioned him in a true crime book he would sue
them drag them into court it would get dropped but they would have to pay legal fees and all his [ __ ] would be covered
what the [ __ ] he even sued someone who referred to him as overweight he sued them for referring to him as overweight
like you could medically just like figure that out yep he also claimed that his writing was fiction he was innocent
but he said they were writing about me like I really did this and it's like you are in prison for murder you've been
convicted you are in prison there's no smear campaign going on Sir you're literally a convicted murderer and he
would say I never killed anyone but I am also the most prolific serial killer in
history he was a born-again Christian or he claimed to be one but again he was a
bullshitter of the highest order he was also a snitch in prison he would pretend
to help other inmates with legal stuff claiming that it was because he was in law enforcement he could do this and
then he would turn around and sell them all out and tell everything that they had told them you and like where did you
think you were gonna get with that he claimed that he had an accomplice at one point named Tony and that Tony was the
one who planted those teeth in his house and like framed him totally dude yeah and this is a letter that he wrote to
his ex-girlfriend Sandra London while in prison so again he's claiming he hasn't
killed anybody but then saying he also has killed everybody he said and this is how this is where he he's his head's at
I'm probably at least one of the top serial killers of the century I thought you didn't kill anyone yeah I'm
certainly one of the most interesting and maybe the most articulate and introspective
I'm no doubt the most skillful killer I killed women in all ways from shooting strangling stabbing and beheading to odd
ways such as drowning smothering and crucifixion one I whipped to death with a strap
another I beat to jelly with a baseball bat while hanging her by her wrist oh my
God one drowned in her own vomit while watching me disembowel her girlfriend so he claimed that again which is a little
scary yeah I think that definitely happened I've crucified women watched the Flies work on living flesh and seem
gagged women strangled to death on their own vomitus I've skinned women I enjoyed
each and every experience oh that's what he had to say this is the thing why is that letter allowed to
leave prison I never understand that [ __ ] thank you because that's what I don't understand either [ __ ] how was she
able to get this like no that doesn't need to leave Prison Walls because they're being read these these letters
are being read before they go out why are you being like [ __ ] no you can't write this [ __ ] there must be like some
kind of something or something but like I don't really think it should apply he lodged over 20 appeals they obviously
all failed she's like stop wasting everyone's time and just shut up and die in there oh yeah now
British criminologist Colin Wilson wrote about him and I thought it was a really
great way to describe him he said Gerard John Schaefer was undoubtedly one of the
nastiest serial killers of the 20th century Schaefer suffers from a kind of halitosis of the soul and the stench
quickly induces disgust halitosis of the halitosis of the soul is a brilliant way
to describe him that's pretty rad now December 3rd 1995 when he was 49 years old hit me up hit him up Gerard John
Shafer was murdered in prison by fellow inmate Vincent Rivera his cell door was left open oh weirdly how how'd that
happen I wonder how he was stabbed over 40 times his throat was cut ear to ear and both of his eyes were gouged out
deserved yeah this man deserved to have the worst done to him yeah I will say that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
fine with that one bye oh yeah oh no absolutely I'm absolutely fine with that I'm actually just like not saying yeah
in June 2022 a Jane Doe from 1972 was identified as 15 year old Susan Gale Poole she had
gone missing Before Christmas in 1972 and her skeletal remains were found June 1974. she was found tied to a mangrove
tree with wire now they are pretty sure she is one of the victims of Gerard John Shafer wow
and she was finally identified this year I'm happy that Susie her family was very
happy that she was identified and they are hoping to know what happened to her oh God and they believed to find out
what happened and now he's dead so it's hard to to really find out for sure now right but it was interesting that in
June 2022 this is still unfolding wow and that is the story of Gerard John Shafer
coming like a pretty chill two hours and I can't see that far 15 minutes I think
how do you see that far again I was gonna cut this in two but I was like I don't know where to cut that yeah yeah I
don't even want to cut it in a weird spot just to cut it yeah no I know sometimes you need a long episode
sometimes hey maybe you're going away because people drive a lot of places you know like or you can just digest this
over a few days maybe you have so much laundry to do so much laundry so many dishes so much time that was a terrible
one yeah I'm glad it's over I'm glad it's out of my system and into yours now I'm sorry about that give someone a hug
give someone a hug I don't even care if you like hugs I don't even like them go give somebody a hug uh this guy sucked
uh in every way than any human I've ever saw Batman put it perfectly halitosis of
the Soul halitosis of the soul that reminds me here's a little palette cleanser for you you know that book
halitosis that I used to read to the girls during TT bedtime yeah it's a good book that was also the ex-girlfriend of
Salem saberhagen on Sabrina the Teenage Witch was halitosis oh my God I forgot about that Yep this [ __ ] can connect
anything to Sabrina the Teenage Witch and I will and I think that's where we should end this I think it is but again
guys go read that book by uh Patrick Kendrick the American Ripper and I will I will tag it in here there's also
um there's a I mean there's a ton of articles on the internet about this guy and there's a ton of newspaper articles
you can read on newspapers.com because I love that that site so much I [ __ ] love newspapers.com but honestly like
Kendrick did an amazing job and go listen to those other podcasts I didn't listen to all of them but I'm going to
now um but I I listened to part of the notorious podcasts where they interviewed him and it was really
fascinating I've been meaning to listen to that show really well done yeah I've heard really great things I'll link that
in here check it out I'm gonna start listening to that so there you go and buy that book halitosis for your kids
they're not a dog with bad breath saving the family there you go and watch the Sabrina the Teenage Witch elf um episode
with halitosis the ex-girlfriend and we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird I'm literally never gonna
tell you not to give it as weird as Drive Shaffer because if I have to tell you that you should probably not be
walking this Earthly Planet nah love you bye bye listen to that thunder thunder foreign
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Alaina is back and scarier than ever, like seriously hold the scary spice, lady. Today she brings us the case of Gerard John Schaefer who killed an estimated 34 young women. He used his power and one time status as a police officer to lure these young girls into “going away” with him on some kind of great adventure but would then bring them into the woods and do some of the the most unimaginable and depraved things before brutally murdering them. Unfortunately many of his victims have yet to be found.

Check out these great sources! American Ripper by Patrick Kendrick Most Notorious Episode 193 with Patrick Kendrick

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Brief Summary

Gerard John Schaefer, a former police officer, abducted and murdered multiple women in the 1970s, leaving a trail of horror and unaddressed justice.

Key points

A Disturbing Legacy. Despite being convicted of only two murders, Schaefer's actions left many victims unaccounted for.
Confessions of Violence. Schaefer revealed his dark desires to women in his life, hinting at his violent future.
Carmen Hallock Goes Missing. Carmen, a waitress and aspiring informant, disappears under suspicious circumstances.
Gerard Schaefer's Dangerous Charisma. Schaefer, a police officer, uses his charm to lure two hitchhikers into a deadly situation.
A Shocking Threat. Schaefer handcuffs the girls and threatens them with slavery and murder.
The Captor's Confession. Gerard Shafer admits to his crimes in a chilling phone call to a deputy.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

It's just crazy, it's just a weird coincidence.

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