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Tuesday, February 17th. Remember, sadly, Ashley Flynn was found dead having been
murdered, shot in her home in the early morning hours just the day before, one day prior. And that was Monday, February
16th. At noon on Tuesday, February 17th, the Tipp City Police Chief Greg Adkins issued the third, what would be the
third press release in this investigation. In it, he announced the addition of BCI,
the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation, the FBI, Miami County Sheriff's Office, and Miami
County Prosecutor's Office would be assisting, were currently assisting as of that announcement, the Tipp City
Police Department in that ongoing investigation. A little bit later that day, the chief did give a brief
interview with the Dayton Daily News regarding the investigation. This brings us, Captain, to Wednesday, February
18th, 10:30 a.m. The Tipp City Police remained at the Flynn house around the clock. Investigators were seen going in
and out of that side door that was referenced in the 911 call and also referenced in the police report, the
side door to the garage on the north side of the house, as well as going in and out of the front door, of course. At
one point, investigators brought out an interior door and placed it in the back of a pickup truck parked on the driveway
and inside the yellow police tape. Presumably, this door was removed and taken in for and to be analyzed or
tested for whatever reason in this investigation. I said in part one that I wanted to circle back to the gun. And
one part of this is is the gun missing? Do they have the gun? And we're we're talking about we could be talking about
one gun, we could be talking about two guns, right? One the murder weapon, two the gun that Caleb said was often
usually stored in the console of his 2024 Ford pickup truck which was found parked inside
the home's garage. Right. >> Um there's been no mention of if Caleb's gun has been recovered. There's been no
mention if the murder weapon has been recovered. There's also been no mention if they are one in the same, which is
what everybody's got to be thinking about. One thing that I found incredibly intriguing and it also might point to
the idea that they have not recovered the gun here, Captain, is at some point, you know, talking about investigators at
the scene using every resource they can to hopefully collect evidence and sort out exactly what happened, get to the
truth of what happened in the early morning hours of Monday, February 16th, that they were seen lifting the shed
that's located in the backyard of this property. And it's obviously one's mind would go to
are they lifting the shed thinking that maybe the gun could potentially have been thrown under there, kicked under
there somehow, and just making sure that it is not? Or did they recover any kind
of evidence when they did lift this shed? >> Yeah, and because this case is so early
on, the cops are obviously going to keep a lot of information close to the the vest because at some point you have
to go from husband calls about somebody breaking in their house and killing his wife to we don't think anybody broke in
and we're now looking into the into the husband. And so I don't know if that's information that they feel like they got
or didn't get from the 911 call. Again, they have extensive cuz they're talking to him at the scene
and then like you said, they brought him in for questioning and at what point do
they go, this is just not adding up. But just because something's not adding up doesn't mean you're going to have enough
evidence to arrest >> him. Well, and this wouldn't be a 100% sign, sealed, delivered
confirmation that he is the killer, but I would be curious if they tested the husband for GSR on his hands,
fingers, forearms. If there would be any type of gunpowder residue, gunshot residue.
>> Well, that makes a lot of sense, too, because well, we believe that the murder weapon
is a handgun, right? But we have a distance. You were saying in episode one, this is not a situation where the killer
goes up on the side of the bed and points the gun directly to the victim's head.
>> If she were sleeping at the time that she was shot and if she's lying in a typical position, then there would be
some distance between the end of that barrel and the victim. Right, and why would you do that?
So you don't get blood on you. But also, and again, I'm just this is just my thoughts out loud if I'm the
investigator. Well, if the killer is the husband, then even if he got anything on him, he
could take a shower. But I think some of these ballistic tests, you know, >> [clears throat]
>> we've we've seen cases where people have showered afterwards and they still find
some kind of evidence on him. So, I wonder if they were able to during the questioning, are they able to, like you
said, run some test? I mean, if you can say his gun's missing and we can positively tell you that he fired a gun
that day and he didn't tell you any time within the questioning about going to a
fire firing range. And even if he did so, well, guess what? There's going to be receipts.
So, unless there's some receipts of him doing that, then that evidence would be pretty damning against Caleb. Yeah,
curious to see what kind of gun GSR evidence they may have. Also, some blood evidence that they may or may not have.
And again, this is just typical stuff that the local media's picking up on of watching the detectives, watching the
crime scene analyst, and people processing that crime scene and what they are removing from the crime scene
and what they tend to be spending a good amount of time on while they're there. On Wednesday, February 18th, just
before noon, this is the community pulling together and showing a display of affection and
sadness for the family and for Ashley Flynn in in particular. There was a colorful display of red and white
ribbons that were placed along Main Street and Tipp City's historic downtown district honoring Ashley Flynn.
Residents that knew her called Flynn an excellent teacher and a sweet woman. Others said that they were concerned
about the shooting, but confident in the police investigation. We did have early
on the police chief stating that they believed that they had reason to believe that this was a targeted attack.
Um we And and I always look at that with a bit of a side eye because it may I feel like that
statement is used a lot. I'm I'm not saying that's the situation here that it's overly used, but often times you
will see that sometimes it's even a rush to use that statement to to imply that there is no threat to other folks in the
community that this was a targeted attack. But until we have reason to call that into question, we should take that
at face value. Late that evening, late that night actually on Wednesday, February 18th, Chief Greg Atkins issued
a press release to dispel rumors circulating that a suspect is in custody or was in custody at that time. Right.
>> Um the rumors locally were that that somebody had confessed. And so he said very bluntly, "The release and spread of
unverified information is not only untrue, but also deeply detrimental to the Flynn family and unfair to those
involved in the investigation." Yeah, but we've seen a lot of crimes happen in small towns and people
confess to the crimes. It makes zero sense to me. It's always made zero sense to me.
But we see that in several cases. So it's not unreasonable that somebody came forward even if they're not responsible.
But like I was saying in part one, it seems like his family and friends and I and I again, this is because it's
so early, you don't know exactly what Ashley's friends and families were were saying, but they share a church
community. So it's just so many of these people going and I think people even noticed in like
some of the GoFundMe post or some of the other comments on like news clips where like it seemed like people
from Tipp City were like this had to be a break-in, possibly a targeted attack, but who
would want Ashley dead? And then people that were not from the Tipp community going, "Hey, wake up.
It's normally the husband." And I think one of the interesting things about Ashley and this this is not something I
think about in all these cases, and I wish I could remember I was watching um a news report about this and they had a
detective. I wish I could remember his name, but the detective was saying, "What's fascinating about this case is
one, the community, like you were saying, very low action as far as violent crimes, two per year.
And because of the lifestyle that she lived, she was a very low-risk lifestyle. So,
that would make investigators look inward to the family more than than maybe some other individual. And
obviously, she was murdered within inside her house. Yeah, you know, I love to recite statistics, specifically crime
statistics, and I get aggravated when they're used simply to sway one argument one way or the other. To sway
an argument one way or the other. Because I've seen many times where I think it's irresponsible the way that
crime statistics are reported. I I was very vocal about that with the recent Netflix JonBenét Ramsey documentary
where the police kept going on and on and on about how well the statistics would tell you that if a child dies in
the home, then the parents are responsible, that a family member is responsible. That's what the statistics
will tell you. But then they went out of their way to tell us over and over and over again that a kidnapping for ransom
attempt is we've never had it in the history of our city. So, it seemed counterintuitive to
cite both of those statistics. They essentially, in my brain, cross each other out. They cancel each other out.
And then same with the Nancy Guthrie story that unfortunately continues to be ongoing because they've not located this
poor woman or figured out who's responsible. You have investigators who are saying, "Well, it we don't believe
there's no reason to believe that it's a random kidnapping, that the person just
happened to take her because reviewing the local crime statistics say that nighttime burglaries in this area
almost never happen." Oh, okay, that's great. But also, guess what almost never happens? A high-profile case where a
person is abducted and ransom is requested. I mean, the most cities never experience that. And
our country at a whole at a at large rarely experiences that. So, it's it's completely bizarre to me to
to cite these to sway an argument one way or the other or try to bring people into your line of thinking as to what
theory it is that you are working, what angle it is you are working. When I hear
investigators say things like that, that tells me that they have a theory, they have an angle that they're working.
You've gone about it wrong, my friend. Let the evidence tell you what direction to go. Yeah, and I think it'd be very
difficult, like you said, little to no violent crimes in this community. But that doesn't mean that this department
isn't capable. But also they called in the big guns, right? They have the FBI involved pretty
quickly. Yeah, that that's again I'm this will be the last time I compare this to
the Nancy Guthrie case, but Hey, it's your show, man. You do what you want. Well, that's what I want. This
this will be the last time that I compare the two. [laughter] Uh thanks for bringing me down that road,
but the the thing here is when you look at these two investigations, try to line
them up side by side, what you're seeing is one handled very properly in my humble garage opinion and another one
just a complete butt fumble. Where here in Tipp City, God bless this police department, these
detectives, and specifically this police chief because what did he do right away?
What what did I say it was? The third time he addressed the media, he said we brought in
BCI. We brought in the FBI. We brought in the sheriff's department. We we share, you know, like those lines of
jurisdiction between the sheriff's department in the county and the city can be blurry, can be gray at times. And
we brought in the sheriff's department. We brought in the prosecuting office. We
brought in everybody we could. And so bringing in everybody you could, bringing in people with better resources
you you than you have is the absolute smartest thing to do. The sheriff's department
out in um Pima County did not do that. In fact, they they wanted to build a fence around their little county and
say, "No, we got this." I hate I hate >> News break, no, you don't. Um the >> Yeah. The other thing too is
in comparison, Pima County Sheriff look, he may be a great guy. Maybe he knows a
lot more. He I hope he knows a lot more about the case than I do and that he's holding stuff back, but for what my eyes
and ear balls tell me, he's not. He's talking. He's going out of his way to talk, and he's saying all the wrong
things. Where here we have a police chief who is saying very little, but the little that he is saying is the right
things. Again, garage opinion here. On at noon on Thursday, the 19th, February 19th, the Christian Life Center
announced a celebration of life for Ashley Flynn that would be held at 4:00 p.m. on Sunday, February 22nd at the
church. But then you have this breaking news here, 5:07 p.m. that same day, that same
date of Thursday, February 19th, Caleb Flynn is booked into the Miami County Jail on
preliminary charges of murder, felonious assault, and tampering with evidence. Shortly after this, we get the police
chief issued what would be the fifth and final press release. He did announce Caleb Flynn was arrested
on charges of murder, felonious assault, and tampering with evidence. And I believe it was at this same press
release, short and sweet, the way they should be, but I believe that it was at this time
that he said that any communications from law enforcement about this case going forward or any
press releases, any questions that the media may have would need to be going through the prosecutor's office.
Yeah, which I think is a smart move, and I think it was probably pretty devastating to this community and and
very small community, and you can say what you will about American Idol, but I played with like a guy that was on
American Idol. Lionel Richie. I wish. I would love to play in Lionel Richie's band. Forget about playing with
Lionel in Lionel Richie's band. Lionel Richie's band. Hey, Lionel. Yes. Let's bend an elbow
and tip a bunch of these back. That when you said you were dancing on the ceiling, I want to know what that feels
like, my friend. Take me there. Yeah, what drug do I have to take >> [laughter] >> Um
Oh, side note, uh cuz we have that Brian Shafer event coming up in Columbus, I mentioned that
we'd be giving out free hugs and free drugs, and I've been put on a Facebook restriction because of that comment.
Speaking of drugs that would make you dance on the ceiling. They were Halls cough drops that we intended to give
out, but apparently Facebook is against that. But I played with an artist that was on American Idol,
and it was a fascinating experience because one, I I just don't watch the show that often.
So, I had a friend of mine that called me and said, "Hey, there's this guy, his name's Murphy. He was on American Idol.
Uh I got some gigs and and would you want to be the music director to get this up and running?"
My mother just happened to be there when I took the call, so I asked her, "Hey, do you know this Murphy
guy from American Idol?" She's like, "Yeah, he was a big deal on that episode." So, sometimes there's big
deals of these contestants that don't win the show, but some of these guys that that
don't even get that far in the show end up having careers or making a living through music
with the help that they got by getting the exposure. So, I'm certain if he's a pastor, even if that's
just a part-time pastor at the church and part of the music group, that he is known by many,
and so I'm sure it was a very big shock to that community. Again, I don't think that the law enforcement took that
lightly. And so again, what evidence do they have? Do they have blood evidence? Do they they have ballistic evidence?
Do they have neighborhood footage that shows nobody going in and out of that neighborhood?
And that that doesn't mean there couldn't be somebody breaking in cuz you could park miles away and then decide to
walk through the fields or something. That's one of the things I'd be looking into. But they might have Caleb on
footage doing stuff in or around that house before that 911 call was made. And then also, if you
have this busted door, again, you might not find DNA evidence, you might not finger find fingerprints.
The assailant could be wearing gloves. But I think they had to have something big
enough because you have the community supportive of this individual. But what I'd really love to know is what
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>> All right, we are back. Cheers, mates. Talk hands in the air. Cheers to you, Colonel. Cheers to you, Captain. You're
going down a road that I like because I think that there could be a lot of avenues coming off of this road. Again,
it's it's now a collection more of what we don't know because I think the police department's done
their job of not letting us know too much. And so [clears throat] here, you know, with a statement in the 911 call
of her face is ghost white, again, we don't know what was said in his interview regarding
what the family members, he himself, and and the victim were doing that Sunday night, that Sunday evening, that Sunday
afternoon. Are they able to place the time time of death to be much earlier than the 911 call? That would be highly
highly suspicious. Right. So there's really a lot here. There's a lot beneath the surface that uh we will be learning.
I don't know how soon we will be learning that because we already mentioned that he was arrested and
charged, he being Caleb Flynn, the the husband and father of the two children and husband of the victim. Remember that
fifth and final press release by the police chief stating that he was arrested not only on charges of murder,
but also tampering with evidence. So he's essentially charged with shooting and killing his wife and staging the
crime scene to potentially mislead investigators. That's what they're charging him with. That's doesn't mean
that that's what he's guilty of. That's what the crime scene is telling the police. That's what hopefully there's
evidence to go along with that that is telling the police and that's what they based this arrest on. Caleb Flynn, 39
years old, he pled not guilty. This just on Friday the 19th, I'm sorry, Friday the 20th to charges of murder, assault,
and tampering with evidence. And in that, can we talk about the trains? He says, "I just want to take care of my
daughters. I'm not a risk." This is what he told Judge Samuel Huffman in a video
of his arraignment from jail. And then the judge set the bond at $2 million. Yeah, but if you haven't watched this,
I believe I put a clip on our social media, on Instagram or Facebook. I don't know if he can't understand him cuz some
of this stuff they're talking through like intercoms. So, it might be hard to understand, but
I I don't know if this guy is working with a a full box of crayons cuz he didn't seem
to understand what was happening. And then, I'm sorry, but I just think there's some It's It's
either acting to me or it's him feeling sorry for himself. But I don't think he fully understood
the question of of what he was being asked. And And then so then he goes, "Well, I'm just worried about taking
care of my kids and what's going to happen with my kids." It was so frustrating cuz it's like, do you think
they're just going to let you walk out? I mean, yes, this guy seems to be a a pillar of his community and he has no
criminal charges against him, but they must have enough on you that they feel confident in arresting you. I would also
wonder when they took him down to the station for questioning, and I I know if that Do you know if that happened at the
station or did they do the questioning in the house? Well, they I mean they interviewed him and walked through the
home with him at per the police report. But but at some point uh several hours after the call came in
they stated that he that he was asked if he would be willing to go to the police
department to be interviewed and he he consented to do that. So And do Do we know if he took a lie detector test? No,
we don't. It's I I'd love to know if he That could be that could be part of it, but
again, I I don't think I wouldn't guess that it is. Right. The thing here though, I mean he's he's simply saying
that he wants to take care of his kids and and I think he's using that as an attempt to to push back on the judge's
concerns that this guy's a flight risk. And well, how can I take care of my kids
if I if I take off and flee the area. You know, that's his kind of push back on well, I just
I'm I'm not a flight risk. I'm I just want to take care of my kids. >> Well, and if I was the judge, I'd also
be worried about suicide. Because if this guy's involved if this guy killed his wife
and was trying to stage it in a way that she was targeted or somebody broke into
their house what is he what is the motivation for this crime? And one of the rumors
that have come out there's two rumors that I've heard. One rumor is that he was having an affair
with another lady at the church. So his wife did some work at the church. But this other lady was involved and and the
the church aspect because I don't know I don't have a I'm involved in churches to
the point where I show up and play bass at a church function, but I don't know the inner workings. So,
when you say this lady [snorts] works at the church, like I know one of the choir members
cleans the church once a month as like a a way to volunteer at the church, but I
don't think she's on payroll. So, how is this other lady that he possibly was having an affair with? How is she
involved? They know her name. Her name has been out there. I'm not going to say her name
because I think it's just an allegation right now. I don't even know if there's any
proof. And the other rumor I heard was that there was no communication at least between Caleb and this other
female about Well, one, there just wasn't much communication beforehand through his cell phone, but again, you
don't know if they're if they're are having an affair, they they might not be communicating through text messages.
They might be communicating through a social media app or maybe through email. But so that could be a possible motive.
I mean, a lot of people have said online this has a weird feeling of Chris Watts.
Obviously different because Chris Watts' wife was pregnant at the time and he killed his children as well.
And so that it's a little different, but it has those feelings. >> The judge set the bond at $2 million and
his attorney and this might go a little bit out of order here at this point in our timeline, but
his attorney, Caleb Flynn's attorney, this man's name is Patrick Mulligan, said in a statement, "He and his client
were disappointed." I'll I'll read you a verbatim here. Quote, "Disappointed and
concerned about the short timeline and seeming rush to judgment in this case." End quote. The murder takes place on
Monday morning. Police arrested Flynn on Thursday. And then here another quote from the
attorney, "When the government runs out of leads or can't develop leads and looks at a surviving spouse in cases
such as these, the chance of a wrongful conviction increases." The Tipp City police chief, Greg Atkins,
defended the department's investigation saying in an email release that same day that they had not moved
fast. That the investigation that the detectives did not move fast. Well, again, this is weird because in some
investigations you don't get the evidence quickly. We don't know what they knew within 24 hours.
By the time you question him, you could go, "Well, statements from the 911 call to the statements he made to the police
are inaccurate. His gun is missing. What [clears throat] surveillance footage did we find? The autopsy, which
would have probably been done within what, 48 hours, is going to roughly give us the time of death and that might not
coincide with what the statements he's making. And then again, it's a small town. So, if there's
dirt to be found, they'll find it quickly. So, I I like those statements that he's
making. Hey, we didn't rush to judgment here. And >> [clears throat] >> and hopefully, if you get the big boys
involved with the sheriff and the FBI, that they come in and they let the evidence determine
that what they thought the outcome was and not the outcome determines what evidence we need to
collect. It was also stated at the arraignment that if he does post bond, he will be on house arrest with an
electronic home monitoring device and that he would have no they would have no interaction at all even one two degrees
of separation with the children, which is this makes all the sense in the world. It if he's innocent, this is a
very unfortunate for this man, but it makes all the sense in the world because those two children, elementary school
daughters, are very likely your only witnesses in this this case. Now, what they heard or didn't hear, we don't
know. What they saw, what they didn't see, we don't know. But again, what we do know is at the time of the 911 call,
per our suspect, the person charged, he stated that the children were in the home and we know per the police report
that they were removed from the home after the police were on the scene. So, you have four people in this house
before the 911 call, presumably during the time that the shots were fired, and you have one of them that's dead, one of
them that's arrested, and the two of them uh who are left to be potential witnesses
if and when this thing does go to trial. >> Yeah, and I don't know if law enforcement did this, but what I'd do is
I would want a toxicology report on the children. Right? Were were they did they get any sleep aid? Yeah, well,
and we're going to get into some thoughts on how if if he is responsible then how much of this was planned versus
spontaneous. On Friday, February 20th, the Christian Life Center announced that the
celebration of life for Ashley Flynn that was to be on Sunday afternoon was canceled at the family's request.
Instead, the funeral service would be private and by invitation only. The the family of Ashley Flynn
released a statement saying, "Our hearts are shattered. Ashley brought endless light to our world, and we are trying to
navigate this immense loss. Our family believes this arrest was made carefully and not without serious consideration."
After speaking with both local police and federal authorities, we trust the proper steps were taken and the process
is being handled appropriately. We kindly ask for privacy as we work through this complex situation. We are
clinging to our faith just as Ashley did each and every day. Do you think that there's
a possibility that law enforcement gave them some more breadcrumbs? I would think that they probably did without
being specific. Right. >> And that there would be ways to handle that without being specific. I also
would be shocked if the children, whether they know something of if they knowingly know that they know
something of importance, sorry, that's a jumbled-up sentence there, but it made sense as as I was saying it.
>> No, but what I mean is they they could have very important information to the
investigation that they don't understand is important. And it's because of something that was gleaned from the
children, one or both, that have helped to clear things up for law enforcement. And keep in mind, they've been in the
custody and care of family members. That information may have been passed along to those family members during that time
of custody and care as well. That's a great point. An original Originally, a preliminary hearing was scheduled for
Caleb Flynn in Miami County Municipal Court for 1:00 p.m. Thursday, February 26th. The hearing was to determine
whether there is enough evidence or probable cause for the case to proceed to a trial. If so, it would be forwarded
to a county grand jury for review. This preliminary hearing was rescheduled for 1:00 p.m. Thursday,
March 26th. And part of that is we do know that Caleb Flynn has waived his right to a
speedy trial. So, what exactly led to Caleb's arrest and then being charged with the murder
of his wife? We can only come to our own conclusions because we've not been told.
And as far as I know, we went through a police report, but I have not seen any arrest affidavit publicly released to
the public, which would contain specific information as to why they chose to arrest him. Because look, they could
have held him for a period of time, but they would have been required to let him
go at some point. They At some point you have to either charge or release. And we
do know that they charged. So, some things to consider is obviously his presence in the home. One thing that a
lot of people are calling into question, I think they should, it's the initial location of the children.
And you're going to base this off of their statements. You're going to base this off of the things he was saying on
the 911 call. What he told the investigators as they were walking through the home together and then later
what he said in his interview at the police station. I'm guessing that some of the specifics there changed at some
point. That That he may have gotten frazzled and was unable to keep his story straight if he is in fact guilty.
But I think they had to take into account, like you said, if we we can hold him for time period,
but he if he's not being charged with anything, then he has the right to be around his
children, and could that possibly bring another tragedy to this whole thing? Yeah, and you don't want to
charge him on some flimflam charges. You want you don't want it to be flimsy. So,
it it doesn't matter if you want to keep him from the children or not. The way that I see everything being conducted,
it seems very thorough and on the up and up. And we talk about this so many times
in the garage where a detective, their job, whether they recognize it or not, is to assure that their findings are
upheld in court with a conviction, not just an arrest. And the the other part of our system, too, is that it is the
judge's job to ensure that whatever the verdict is is later upheld, right? That it's not a mistrial, that it's not um
something goes wrong during the course of the trial. And so, you're not going to push the envelope, and nor should
you, if he waves his right to a speedy trial, you don't want to just grab him by the ear and go, "Well, tough [ __ ]
mister. We're going in for the arraignment today, uh preliminary hearing today." You you you don't want
to do that. I mean, >> Right. you because then it will be he was treated unfairly. You as the judge, you
want to make sure that he that the the defendant is of sound mind, that they understand the charges, that
they understand their plea, and that they have effective counsel, and that they have a fair trial. And so, this is
all just this is all just part of that. Now, part of what could have led to his arrest, too, is how much evidence were
they seeing that is telling them that, "Hey, this scene looks staged." And not just looks staged, but we can prove that
it was in fact staged. And some folks can say, "Look, this was a a quick arrest." But I mean, if if the killer
and the victim are all in the same home at the same time, your crime scene you have one crime scene and it's not that
big. Um it's not that it's a it's a single-family home on a single-family lot. I mean, there there's it
it's not a huge crime scene. It it It wouldn't take um you know, and they were there for 3 days
that we know of. Yeah, that's the thing is we can say it seems fast, but you got
one crime scene and you're collecting a lot of evidence really quickly, but not because you don't have to look you don't
have to go look for the evidence, right? You're you're not looking for the victim. We
have the victim. You're not looking you're not having to investigate a dump site. We have the victim in her bed.
And so, like you said, there could just be a ton of stuff piling up here. I'll never understand why if if the
motivation is to get rid of her so he can start a new life, I just don't want I don't understand why
you wouldn't just divorce the person. But I think sometimes these individuals build up such a
false outer shell of who they [clears throat] are. Oh, he's this part-time pastor and he's uh this he
praise and worship leader and he's the pillar [clears throat] of the community. And I think sometimes that weighs on
those individuals and it just can't be as simple as And then also the relationship you have
with, you know, your spouse. I mean, obviously that's his spouse at the time, but her family and other people in the
community. But it's crazy to me that these people instead of just going, "Hey, you know
what? I I'll get a divorce. I won't see my kids all the time, but I think they're afraid of losing that
facade of I'm a shining [clears throat] light in this community. And I think that's part of the
motivation to kill an individual as opposed to just divorce the individual. If I'm making
any sense at all. >> that you don't understand that because if you did, I wouldn't be sitting in the
garage with you here today. I mean, there's it's psycho for they call it psycho for a reason. And if he is in
fact guilty of shooting and killing his wife, look, and then then as far as whatever with society or communities go,
glass houses people. Keep in mind glass houses and I cannot stand the holier-than-thou persons out there. If
if she's not the right wife for him, we're human beings. If she's a terrible mother, we're human beings. We're if
he's [clears throat] not good at being a husband, we're human beings. An error only
becomes a mistake once we refuse to correct it. And as far as we're told, we only live once. So, it you know, I don't
want to go too far down that road. I want to go through some of the specifics of this case before we go down a road
that I think that the listeners will be very happy that that we do go down here.
What evidence led investigators to believe Caleb Flynn staged the crime scene? And as as we know, investigators
reported several pieces of physical evidence and inconsistencies that led them to believe Caleb Flynn
staged the crime scene to look like a home invasion as he said on the 911 call. Of course, we have the obstruction
of the alleged entry point. Flynn claimed that the the side door to the garage was left open by an intruder.
However, police find a large refrigerator positioned in front of that door which would have made it extremely
difficult for an intruder to push it open from the outside. The handgun's location,
his handgun specifically, police observed that the center console of Flynn's 2024 Ford truck in the garage
was open. This mass matched the exact location where Flynn reportedly told police he kept his handgun. Again, a lot
of people pointing out to pointing out the inconsistent 911 statements during that lengthy 911 call where some folks
are saying that he would state something then later, quote, corrected himself. A
lot of that, I think, pertains to where the kids are, what the kids were doing during that call. I didn't hear to me, I
while I see this being reported a lot and talked about a lot, I that didn't jump off the page or or kick me in the
ear balls when I heard it. I trust the community and the people looking at this. If they think it's suspicious,
it's well it's worth looking at. The physical evidence in the bedroom. Two gun shell casings were found on the
floor near the foot of the bed where Ashley Flynn was shot. And then this tidbit here, Captain, suspicious social
media activity. Neighbors and friends found it unsettling that Ashley's Facebook profile picture was changed
from a photo of her and her daughters to one of her and Caleb just two nights before she was killed. A change
described as uncharacteristic for her. So, let's go down this road. Yeah. I I want to do a little crime
study, specific crime study, a little crime scene analysis investigating and classifying this violent crime. So,
let's look at a study on domestic homicide. If in fact that is what this is, we know
based on the charges that the Tipp City police and the prosecutor there believes
that is what happened. So, we have domestic homicide. Let's take a look at key types, indicators, and investigative
considerations. Domestic domestic homicide involves one household or family member killing
another including common law partners. The crime classification manual from 1995 from the FBI outlines two subtypes
of this crime. One, spontaneous domestic homicide. This is unplanned, triggered by recent or cumulative
stress. No intentional staging occurs typically in this type of crime. Body movement or positioning may happen for
the offender's benefit but not to mislead law enforcement. And then the other subtype here captain would be
staged domestic homicide. So the difference being the big differences being planned, often designed to appear
accidental. This would be suicidal, natural causes, or linked to a secondary crime or crimes such as robbery or rape.
These staged domestic homicide crime scenes are more organized. Weapons, fingerprints, and evidence are commonly
removed from the crime scene. The body is usually not concealed and may be found in the home or elsewhere.
Media-driven occult/satanic staging may appear in these crimes but we got to keep in mind
part of that statement in the classification manual I believe comes from the time period.
This was published in 1995. So occult and satanic staging that that would make sense with a lot of the different crimes
and things that were going on or speculated about in the media at the time period.
We also saw that shortly after the Manson family murders too where folks would annihilate their family or kill a
spouse and then try to make it appear that a crazy batch of hit hippies broke in and painted the walls with blood.
Obviously, victimology would be familial in both of these types. Investigative indicators for spontaneous cases. Crime
likely occurs in the victim's residence, check. In some cases, there may be documented
history of domestic violence or conflict. We don't We don't know anything about that. The So, domestic
violence, that's obvious, but conflict could be things like financial conflict, employment, alcohol or drug use. Yeah,
and we don't have or at least I haven't seen any local rumors that they had marital problems.
Everybody said they seemed to be the the perfect couple. And so, yes, there are these rumors or
rumblings about a possible affair with somebody at the church. But, I think that's just coming from a
very small group, so again, we have We'd have to see proof of that first. So, there's no knowledge or
at least nothing coming out that Ashley knew of a fair that Caleb was having. And that's
a natural leap for the community or members of the community to make when one spouse is charged with the homicide
of another spouse. It's just regardless of man kills woman, woman kills man, that's husband kills wife, wife kills
husband, that's something that's going to be thought of and looked at as well. In the spontaneous type,
the offender may delay reporting to change clothes or craft an alibi, and a third party often discovers the victim's
body. The offender may show personalized aggression and a marked attitude change
after the trigger. Now, investigative indicators for staged cases. So, keep in mind, some of these
are going to blend together. Just by the nature of the victimology, the nature of the offender, they often
live together, nature of the offense, the crime scene, some of this is going to blend together. But, here the subtle
differences and then apply them to what little we know about this case. So, this is indicators for staged cases.
Controlled, organized crime scene, removal of evidence, potential accident, suicide, overdose.
So, to stage it, you're going to want to make it look like something else took place to mislead investigators. You're
You can't hide the fact that the person is dead. You're just trying to set it up to make
it look like they died by some other manner than you killing them. So, potential You're going to set it up to
make it look like a potential accident, potential suicide, potential overdose. Warning insulin can often be a great way
to confuse medical examiners as it will mask uh what took place and and may mimic natural causes.
But, here we have something different. Some of the staging can be to include, and often time does, make it look like
somebody else did the crime. That there was another crime in progress when it took place. Again, we already
mentioned robbery and rape. In a staged domestic rape/murder, victims are rarely
left fully nude. Typically, they're partially clothed. If the supposed primary threat, often
the male household member, has no or minor injuries, here we have no injuries while others are killed in the
home, staging should be suspected. This is the FBI saying this. They're not saying that it it that it is
the situation, that it is the result of a staged domestic homicide. They're saying if you go into a scene, any
scene, and the primary threat has no or minor injuries, and others are killed, staging should be
suspected. Pre-offense behavior may improve conspicuously. Okay? Friends/family may report the victim voiced fear or
foreboding. Okay? And here we don't seem to have that. And that goes along with we don't seem to have a history of
domestic violence in this relationship. Medical and psychiatric history of the victim is relevant, especially if
suicide or natural causes are claimed. Search warrant suggestions. That's interesting because it made me think of
the Ellen Greenberg case, where what what the FBI is stating here is just because you have some kind of
psychiatric history, that doesn't mean particularly that the dead person was suicidal.
It could also mean that they're having psychiatric problems, or they have a psychiatric history, because they're
experiencing something from someone else. That maybe they are in fear because of
their spouse, or they're being bullied by their spouse. Right. There's some kind of mental abuse.
So, search warrant suggestions, I think maybe the one thing that could have been
done a little if I could tweak one thing of what I've seen about this investigation and the way that it was
handled, is we've talked about this in some other cases. I think it was the Aaron Spencer case in particular. Might
have been the Spencer Teppe, Monica Teppe murders case as well, where we saw that police
and detectives could go into a crime scene, but as soon as they recognized that we're talking about a murder
situation, they they waited to go in with the fine-tooth comb until they had that search warrant obtained
from a judge. So, search warrant suggestions for this type of investigation, if you're looking at
spontaneous domestic homicide, it says obtain financial and medical records to assess stressors and corroborate
spontaneity. If you think that somebody would freak out and murder their spouse,
you might be able to find some type of paper trail in it and medical records or financial records. Staged, seek evidence
of motive and planning including telephone and personal records, travel logs, motel bookings, and gasoline
receipts. One thing that they said about stage two, that the FBI said, and this circles back to something that we
touched on just very, very briefly. They say that you if most of the time when it's a staged homicide, there's a
good amount of planning that's going to go into that. And one could be planning this for days, weeks, months in advance.
[snorts] One thing they point to is a change in the level of affection and appreciation
that a spouse shows for the later-to-be-dead victim. Is there an uptick? Like, oh, he was
holding her hand all the time. He was putting his arm around her all the time. This we just noticed this two days,
three days before. He never sort of behaved that way in the room with her before. He was going out of his way to
say that he loved her buying her gifts and putting on that facade oh, I'm the perfect husband, we have the
perfect marriage. And that is interesting to me that they note that in the crime classification manual
because we have neighbors and friends that say they found it a little strange that
Ashley's Facebook profile picture was changed from a photo of her and her daughters to one of her and Caleb just
two nights before she was killed. Yeah, I think it's important to jump on these cases
and [clears throat] look into these cases as they're unfolding. And [clears throat]
and it's kind of what we all do, right? You go, "Hey, did you hear about that crime that happened in Indiana? Did you
hear about that crime that happened in California?" Sometimes we get bombarded, especially when it's in our neck of the
woods. Hey, And so, but there is a frustration because we've covered so many cases that
we do know that there's there's going to be evidence and information and [clears throat] answers.
Maybe not all the answers, but more answers as this case develops. But it's a it's a fascinating case.
And I'm like you, I'm fascinated with the investigation. So, I'm very curious what they found and what evidence they
have. Yeah, some so well, we should know that within about a month or at least part of that because it it will be in
reports. So, we'll keep following this one and a lot of the updates, as you guys know, become off-the-record
episodes. As much as I'm interested in the investigation, it's it's the why in some of these cases. Like, this just
doesn't make a lot of sense. If he was responsible for this, this seems like there was better ways out of whatever
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Ashley Flynn, 37, was found dead in the early morning hours of February 16th after officers received a report of a burglary and shooting at a Tipp City home. Her husband and two children were inside the home when officers arrived.

According to Miami County officials, Caleb Flynn, a former American Idol contestant, was taken into custody and charged with murder after investigators say Ashley Flynn’s body was found in their home. Prosecutors have not released details about a motive.

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Brief Summary

Ashley Flynn was murdered; her husband Caleb is arrested amid community support and investigation details.

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True Crime Garage Introduction. Nick and the Captain welcome listeners to True Crime Garage with a humorous banter.
Community Mourning Ashley Flynn. The community honors Ashley Flynn with a display of ribbons in downtown Tipp City.
Caleb Flynn Arrested. Caleb Flynn is booked into jail on charges of murder and tampering with evidence.
Community Shock. The community reacts to the shocking news of Ashley Flynn's murder and Caleb's arrest.
Suspicion Surrounds Caleb's Actions. Questions arise about Caleb Flynn's behavior and the circumstances leading to his wife's death.

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