The Murder of Kelly Ann Tinyes | Morbid | Forensic Files

Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid. This is morbid and we got even more
sound proofing. I know. We got like this cool like foamy thing in front of us. I can't see
anything though and it feels weird. I know it's so weird to be like professional. It's like we're in our own
personal miniature sound booth. It's like a sound booth for ants. It is a sound booth for ants.
Did you see the latest episode cuz this is now a Vanderpump Rules podcast? Um it's not. But did you see the latest
episode where Katie quoted Zoolander? I did. of you. I love that. I appreciate that. I love Zoolander. It was such a
niche reference. Funny to this day. And as soon as I see David Bowie say it's a walk-off, it's I'm over. I'm
done. I'm deceased. I made a weird noise. We watched it recently, John and I. Did you? Cuz we
just were like we we need some Zoolander in our life. Yeah. I just really wanted
to see Alexander Skarsgård yell orange mocha frappuccino. You could have just started at stopped at Skarsgård. Stopped
at Skarsgård but I needed to see the orange mocha frappuccino. Frappuccino! And then the gasoline fight, the best.
But as soon as David Bowie came on the screen and it goes let's dance in the background, I squealed and John was like
I've never heard that sound. He was like I really don't know how to feel about that.
What's going on? I was like he's just so handsome and he was so handsome in that
era. Oh my god, I know. He he was so handsome all over the place. It's like when you cried at The Last of Us and
none of us knew what to do. Yeah, guys. I don't know. If you're not watching that show, I
I was like against it cuz I just I'm like I'm so I don't know. Apocalypse stuff like stresses me out. At this
point, everyone in their mother is telling me to watch it. I mean my mother, Jonathan Van Ness, told me to
watch it. Right. Jonathan Van Ness told you that you have to. I know. That's the thing. It's one
of those shows that I was really like no, I don't want to get into this cuz I don't want to get into an apocalyptic
one. I watched the first episode and I was like this is all right. Yeah. Because I was being a dick. Like that's
like the first time I watched Zoolander. Yeah, I was just being a dick. I just wouldn't watch it. Then I watched the
second episode and I was like well [ __ ] now I care about these people. And by the third episode, I was ugly crying and
snot was running down my face. Is the third episode that episode? Oh yes and I you saw. I was threatening John. I was
literally sitting on the couch being like I cannot [ __ ] believe you made me watch this.
Cuz John had watched it before me. So he knew what was happening and so he filmed me. Yeah. Maybe I should maybe
I'll post it at some point just because it's hilarious. Elena like doesn't cry so it's really funny to see that. So it
would be pretty funny. You know what? Maybe I'll post it cuz it's pretty funny, I will say. I had
real emotions and I know a lot of people don't think I have real emotions so I think it would be good for people to
see. No, you do have real emotions. I've seen so much of them recently. They happen. I've seen them. You've seen
them. I've seen You know? Yeah. Yeah. Emotional baby boy. Emotional man. Well I think are you referring to the
emotions that I have for the new Yes. new additions? Yeah, that I was saying the front bottoms but I was just
wondering if we could talk about your family. Uh no, I am not pregnant. But I was so
What? Wait, why did I think you were pregnant the other day? Cuz I said I have some news. John and I have some
news and then I said I'm not pregnant. And I almost shat myself cuz I have a couple more years before Bibis and I
thought you could hold me over and you are just in a different way. different way because it's been over a year now
since we lost our our beloved Bubba, our beloved Bailey. And we had these two little
red fox labrador puppies fall into our lap. Born on Bubba's birthday. Born on Bailey's birthday and we had 365 days of
the year and they were born on Bailey's birthday. If that isn't Bailey sending those dogs to us, I don't know what is.
And they say that like your next dog or your your previous dog sends you your next dog or dogs. Now I'm fully
convinced. We were shell-shocked when we found that out and we were like they're
ours. We have to have them. And we found them found out about them like in the almost week of a tragedy. Yeah, so
it all kind of lined up and they're two gals. Are you going to say their names? Yeah. We got Sydney. Hello, Sydney. The
Sydney Prescott and now everyone every time I see her I can say I always had a thing for you, Syd. And she does. And I
do. And the other one is Blanche. And Blanche is a wily little [ __ ] Blanche Devereaux is really she's a
she's a feisty one. I love. I was Elena was like back and forth with names and when she was going to get them, I texted
and she was like oh my god, I got them and I was like what are the names? And she was like you have to wait because
one of them I want to tell you in person and it was Blanche. So I knew one was Syd and then I was like what is this
other dog's name going to be? Miss Blanche over there. And I love them both with I was
I would jump in front of a moving train already for them. Yeah, truly. Like immediately I was like well, I would lay
down my life for you guys now too. Yeah, she literally said that. So here we are.
Now I just love two other things in my house more than anything in the whole world. In the whole [ __ ] world. So
we're very happy over here. It was it was a it was a puppy-shaped hole in my heart that I didn't want to fill right
away but then I think Bubba was like girl, it's time. Girl, do it. She's like girl, treat yourself. Treat
yourself and I said okay. Yay. So I'm very happy. We have some pups. So Syd and Blanche are going to be part of the
crew now. I keep calling Syd city girl. City girl. But it sounds like city girl.
country girl but a city girl. But I'm I'm really like city girl. I love it and my littlest one calls
Blanche Branch. It reminds me of Trolls. I love it. Is that his name is Branch? Yeah, Branch.
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so that's the good news and that's making us really happy and it's given us you know,
animals just give you a little boost. Oh my god, 100%. I was in a state of straight-up depression the few the past
few weeks. Yeah. And then you had them and just give you kisses and they love you. Like I was literally actively
depressed. You know, sometimes people get mad at me when I say I have a manic moment but I
like actually have manic moments. And remember that you don't know everyone's diagnoses just because you hear them
talk every once in a while. talk about my little menties and my little problems doesn't mean I don't have them. Yeah,
like people tend to get mad at Ash for saying that and I'm like yeah, you don't know what she's diagnosed with. You're
like I have literally seen her in a manic moment and boy is it something. So I think just just know that. Just
understand that we don't share everything. Exactly. There's pieces of us that every people don't know and it's
not not real cool to assume that you do know. So just like we're not going to assume we know everything about you guys
because we don't even though we're friends here. Yeah, of course we're all friends. friends here and that's why
we're being real with you. Just a little sit-down. I mean I did just sing Ashlee
Simpson to you. That's true. I wasn't even lip-syncing. But you know what guys? We all have new pups. This is all
our new pups. Syd and Blanche are here to stay. I [ __ ] love them. So get ready, worlds. I know. I and then I got
like both feels cuz I come here and I get my dog feel and then I go home and I get my cat feel and I'm just living
life. Just living. Just as my good girl would say, living. All right, so I think we should jump
right into it. I think it's enough chit-chat. Enough chit-chat for today, babe. Enough. All right. Well, today's
case is very sad. It's a very tragic case. It was requested a ton in our folder though, that's why I ended up
doing it. Yeah. Like you guys know we usually try to stray away from like kid murders. Oh.
Yeah. This is a a teenager. Oh man. And it's a really sad story but I think it's
an important story to tell obviously and again highly requested. So we're going to start out on the afternoon of March
3rd, 1989. Kelly Anne Tinyes was at home. She was babysitting her 8-year-old brother
Richie and the phone rang. And Richie answered and he spoke to the person on the other end of the phone
very briefly and then handed off the phone to his sister saying it was somebody calling for her and they were
named John. Okay. So she had a quick conversation with the caller on the line and then told her brother that she was
heading out to go to a friend's house down the street and that she would be right back.
That was around 3:00 in the afternoon but Kelly never did come back. So let's talk about who Kelly was and
kind of where she came from and her family a little bit. Okay. She was from a pretty typical working-class 1980s
Long Island family. Her father, Richard Tinyes, owned and operated Victoria's Auto Repairs.
It was a small auto restoration business in their hometown of Valley Springs. And
his wife, Victoria, who it must have been named after, she split her time as a medical
assistant and a receptionist in a local doctor's office. They had those two children, 13-year-old
Kelly and 8-year-old Richie Jr. And the whole family lived in a modest Cape Cod-style house located on Horton Road,
and they lived with Richard's elderly parents. Okay. Um Richard's parents had bought
the house back in 1967, but as they were getting older, they needed more care and support of like for
themselves and for the house, which they were able to get from their son and his
wife and the grandchildren. Really like tight-knit family. Yeah. And the community on Horton Road
in 1989, it was also a super tight-knit community. It was perfect for them because pretty much all of their
neighbors were also working class, and everybody really looked out for one another.
I love that. They were super tight-knit, like I said, very actively involved in each other's lives. Sometimes to like an
like a surprising extent. Um a woman named Evelyn Nieves, I believe is how you say the last name, wrote in an
article for the New York Times. It was like a working-class commune. The 19 families who lived on the street knew
one another's in-laws and watched one another's kids. The 27 school-age children acted like cousins. Oh, I love
that. like the perfect kind of spot to raise your kids. going to say that's the dream.
Yeah, you would think. Now, unfortunately for Kelly, she was older than most of the children on
Horton Road. Most of the kids were closer to her brother Richie's age, but still, she would play with the younger
kids. She would set up games to do with them. And she was definitely one of the more
reliable babysitters in the neighborhood. And because her parents both worked, she
really had a lot more responsibility than most kids her age. She cared for her brother. She cared for her
grandparents while her parents were at work. And a lot of times she would take responsibility for Brutus, the family
dog. Brutus. I know, I [ __ ] love that. Brutus. But she took it all on, and she
never complained, not to her parents, not to her friends. She just was there to help. She's just a good kid. Really
was. Never wanted to complain about anything, and she always just seemed to maintain what people described as her
warm, generous, and outgoing disposition. Mhm. And she just like looks that way. She was a little cutie.
Yeah. Now, her family knew her as a {quote} and {unquote} responsible, level-headed daughter who was, like I
said, reliable, honest, hard-working, and also very well organized when it came to school.
Now, even though her responsibilities at home had increased, especially when her
grandparents' health kind of started to decline, she still actually managed to carve out time for herself, obviously,
which she spent ice skating, which was her favorite thing to do, or spending time with like a few close
friends that she had in the neighborhood, including her close friend Sharon Stodolka, who lived a couple
houses away. Okay. Now, She's so cute. Like looking at pictures of her, I'm like, "Stop it."
Such a little '80s girl, you know? really is. She's like the quintessential '80s teen.
Yeah, she's got that perfect '80s like like bang, exactly. It's almost like a poof bang. Oh, yeah. Now, the close-knit
supportive nature of Valley of the Valley Stream community made it a nice place to live, and it also had
relatively low crime rates, which was awesome because obviously New York City was nearby and full of all kinds of
crime. Yeah. But in Valley Stream, there actually hadn't been a murder since 1977.
Wow. And that was when a teenager was killed in a random attack. But since that murder of 16-year-old
Richard Lesser, the residents of Valley Stream had carried on free, mostly, almost entirely of violent crime.
But obviously, that all changed this afternoon in March of 1989. So this day, Friday, March 3rd, 1989,
started out really like any other typical day for the Tinias family. Richard picked Kelly up from school that
afternoon, not out of the ordinary at all. Drove her home. Winter was winding itself down, and Kelly was really hoping
that she could go ice skating with some of her friends, especially because there
weren't going to be that many more opportunities to do it cuz again, spring was coming. Yeah. But her dad had some
errands to run, and he needed Kelly to watch her brother until her mom got home from work later that afternoon.
Now, she didn't know it, but she was actually going to have a bit of a surprise party that afternoon. Her mom
and her best friend, Roberta Goose, had been working together, and they were gathering up a small group of Kelly's
closest friends to take her out for her 14th birthday, Stop. which was just 2 days away. Oh, come on.
Yeah. Like literally. So sad. So when she got home, she grabbed the phone, which you like so
relatable. Like the second you get home, just like picking up that phone and calling whoever you can call. Remember
that? Yes. up that landline? a chunky old landline. Stretching that stretchy cord as far as you could go.
Yep, I loved that. Oh, the best. Now, so she called her friend Jennifer, but Jennifer wasn't
home, and there was no answer. So instead, she called her dad, and she was like, "Please, can I go ice skating?
Like I really just want to go with my friends." And he was like, "Girl, I just told you you got to wait for your mom.
She'll be home in an hour." Direct quote. No, obviously not. So she was disappointed, but she was like, "All
right, like I'm not getting out of this, so I got to do what I got to do. Let me
make some more calls." More calls on the landline. More calls on the landline. So she
called up another friend, and they chatted a few minutes before hanging up. And actually, just a few moments after
she put the phone in the cradle back again, that's when it rang again, and that's when Richie answered the phone to
this John caller. Okay. Now, according to Richie, after identifying himself, the caller asked to speak with Kelly
directly. Now, after speaking for a good couple minutes, Kelly hung up, and about 20
minutes later, she told her brother that she was {quote} going to her friend Nicole's house just down the street and
would be back. Okay. Now, it was like Kelly leaving her brother alone when she was supposed to
be the one watching him was weird. It was really out of character for her. like it would be. She was usually, as we
know, like I just spent the first couple minutes saying this, a very reliable and
responsible girl. She's also 13. So that's why when she didn't come back after 5 minutes, though, Richie actually
ended up leaving the house and going to look for her cuz he's like, "Wait a second, like she wouldn't leave me that
long." And and do did you say how old he was? He was eight. eight, that's what I was. Oh my
goodness. Yeah, so he goes out to look for her, and he went to Kelly's friend Nicole's
house at about 3:15, but Nicole told him that Kelly actually hadn't been there, and that she wasn't expecting her. Oh,
man. So maybe she fibbed about where she was going. have been terrifying for him, though.
Yeah, and it only gets like scarier. Oh. So Richie went along, and as he walked,
he ran into another boy in the neighborhood, Harry Finney, who was playing in his yard.
I feel like you can picture this all so well. Yeah. Absolutely. Like I feel like you can see this
neighborhood in your head. Oh, yeah. So Richie told Harry, "I'm looking for my sister. Like have you
seen her?" Now, as luck would have it, Harry actually did see her just a few minutes earlier
as she was heading into the family or the excuse me, as she was heading into the home of the Gollub family. Gollub,
yeah. Yeah, thank you. We just looked it up. Yeah. I've been saying it one way in my head,
and so I was like, "Oh my god, don't say it that way." And the way that you were saying it was
the way I read it, too. So I hate when you get a pronunciation in your own head, and then you find the real one,
and you're like, "Well, [ __ ] Exactly. My head is going to say the other one." Yep. So Gollub. Gollub.
So the Gollub family, they lived next door to Harry. Okay. So Harry and Richie went to the Gollubs' front door, and
they rang the bell, but nobody answered. So Harry just went back to his front yard, and Richie returned home and
figured, you know, Kelly will be back soon. This is unlike her, but I'm sure she'll be back.
Poor Richie. So when he got back at home, he did call his dad to say Kelly had left him alone and had said that she
was going to see a friend, but had actually gone to the Gollubs' house. Now, he explained that he had knocked on
the Gollubs' front door, but nobody answered. So Richard told his son go back up to that house and {quote} beat
on the door and call out for your sister. Oh, man. So he was already feeling like nervous
about this. Alarm bells were already going off. Mhm. Oh, I'm so stressed out for this family. It's horrific.
So after he hung up, Richie looked up the Gollubs' number in the phone book and tried to call the family several
times, but he never got an answer. So he went I know. And just like picturing him like
pulling out the phone book and being like, "Okay, like I have to figure this out."
Oh. So he started banging out on or so after he looks up and calls and doesn't get any
answer, he goes over to the house and just starts banging on the front door, calling out Kelly's name,
Oh. but not getting any kind of response. But at the same time as he's doing this,
he can hear loud music coming from inside of the house. So he assumed that someone was home and
just couldn't hear him. So since he didn't get any response at the door, he just started pacing on the
sidewalk, My god, this poor child. calling out to his sister, and he was saying that the
dog had gotten loose and he needed help. That wasn't true, but he knew that if Kelly thought that um the dog had gotten
out, then she would come out from wherever she was. Like that exactly, that would get her to move.
Oh. But still getting nothing. This poor baby. I know, both of these poor babies.
Seriously. So after waiting a little while longer, just pacing on the sidewalk, he went back home and waited
for his mom. Oh. So Victor excuse me, Victoria returned home a little after 5:00 p.m., and she was really surprised
to find out that Kelly still hadn't come back home. It was again, very, very unlike Kelly to be any kind of
irresponsible. So it hadn't quite raised alarm bells just yet. The but the fact that Kelly was still missing was
puzzling. Like they were like, "This is weird." Yeah. So Victoria started calling around to Kelly's friends and
figured she'd find Kelly with one of them, but nobody in her circle had seen her since she left school earlier that
afternoon. So Victoria keeps calling whoever she could think of, and Richard joins in,
too, and he gets back, but they're getting like radio silence or just like no helpful tips at all.
Oh, man. No one had seen Kelly. Now it got to the point where Victoria is getting more and more concerned. So
she starts going door to door being like, "Is Kelly here? Have you seen Kelly? Like had anybody seen her?"
So she gets to Kelly's friend Sharon Stahls' house and Sharon told Victoria that she had seen Kelly earlier earlier
that day. And just like Harry had told Richie, Kelly was going into the Gallups' house
down the street. I'm so stressed out right now. I know. So after several attempts to reach anybody at the Gallup
house by phone or in person, Richard finally got through to the mother, Elizabeth Gallup, a little after 6:00
p.m. But she said that she had been out afternoon and as far as she knew, Kelly hadn't been in their house at all that
day. Oh god. So the dad, Richard, is really frustrated frustrated seeing as all roads seem to go back to the
Gallups' house, but now they're saying they haven't seen Kelly. it's like no. Where the hell is she?
Oh my god, he must have wanted to barge into that house. Oh my god, I can't even imagine.
it for him. it's like on your street. Like you're looking at that house, it's your
neighbor. Exactly. You want to just like break down the door. Yeah. So he was frustrated being like like
what the hell? Yeah. And seeing as all roads were leading back to that house, he asked if he could
speak with John Jay. John Jay. Uh-oh, John. 14-year-old son. God, John's. What is going on?
I know. But John Jay, he said he hadn't seen Kelly in a few days actually. Okay.
Richard didn't press the press the boy any further, but he did sense a nervous tone in John's in John Jay's voice that
suggested he was not being entirely truthful. Oh, good. So the rest of that evening was spent searching for Kelly,
going from one friend to another, just desperately hoping that their daughter was hiding out somewhere, nervous that
she was going to be in trouble for walking out on responsibilities, like just holding on to any hope they
possibly could. Now let's talk a little bit about the Gallup family. Most of the families on Horton Road were
like actively involved in each other's lives and community events and they all kind of engaged with each other.
But the Gallups were among a small group of neighbors who even though like they were polite enough, they preferred to
keep to themselves. Okay. The father, John Gallup Sr., he ran Getty gas station in town and he
didn't really like to hang out with the neighbors. He didn't like to go to block
parties, barbecues. He just kind of kept to himself and worked on his car or his
boat. Okay. You know? Yeah. Now his wife, Elizabeth, she was a little bit more active in the community and more
familiar with the neighbors, but she liked hanging out with her own friends and acquaintances at church or at the
Keystone Yacht Club. That was her kind of deal. That was her jam. Yeah. So the family
had moved to Horton Road a little over 20 years earlier actually and that was all there was to it. Okay. Now the
Gallups had three children. Adele was their oldest and she had gone off to college, married and started a family
with her husband in Manhattan. So she's not really a player in this at all. Then there was 21-year-old Robert and
14-year-old John Jay. They both lived at home still with their parents. In 1989,
Robert was an unemployed bodybuilder. He had graduated high school, but didn't want to go to college and
was just kind of living at home. Okay. Yeah. He spent his time at the Maximum Health and Fitness Center where he would
quote often put in up up to 3 hours a day at the gym. Cool. Like that's a little excessive,
bro. Yeah. He was 5'3", so he was very focused on looking as big as he possibly could. Mhm.
And aside from the gym, he would just be at home in the family's basement or working on his tan at the nearby Tan
Your Booty. This all sounds incredibly healthy. I don't I don't see anything wrong with
it. Mhm. I love that that place is called Tan Your Booty. Tan Your Booty. Like imagine opening a business called
Tan Your Booty. just like tan your butt. Tan your butt. Tan your ass. They should have named it
that and just stopped at Tan Your Booty. Right. Now like his brother, 14-year-old
John Jay was rather unremarkable to be honest. Huh. He was a freshman at in high
school, but most of the time he skipped class to smoke weed with his friends. Cool. Yeah, like relatable. But
Relatable. In general, he was known to the neighbors as a troublemaker and he definitely was not the sort of person
that anybody expected Kelly to be hanging out with. It was weird that she was even at the Gallups' house in the
first place. Mhm. But for some reason or another, Robert, the older brother, he was under
the impression that Kelly and John Jay were dating actually. Oh. He later told police, "I saw them on the block. I
could tell. I could see it in their eyes." Woah. I was like Damn. That's impressive.
Like I got to know about that. see it in their eyes. Like from down the block. Okay, okay. Yeah. But no one in Kelly's
family or any any part of her friend group had any idea or knowledge that she was dating John Jay. Mhm. And as far as
anybody really knew, they barely even knew each other. That's strange. Weird, right?
that's very weird. I don't know if maybe it was like a thing where they came from
different friend groups and maybe they did have crushes on each other. Yeah, maybe that that absolutely could
have happened. I don't know enough to say one way or the other. That's kind of like an
inference that I made based off of everything I read, but cuz I don't I do I just don't know why
Kelly ended up in the house that day. Yeah. And it seems like John Jay is the one
that called cuz the caller was John. John. Yeah. Unless Robert called and said he was
John, that's entirely possible. could have happened. But with John Jay's nervousness and like, "So you invited
her over and now you know she's missing. Like what did you see? What didn't you see?"
are you nervous because of that? Because you were the one who did the inviting or
are you nervous because you know that somebody used your name and it it's your brother. Exactly. Yeah.
Exactly. Now as far as the neighbors knew, the Galu sorry, the Gallups. That's how I
was reading it in See, I was going to say that's how you were reading it in your head. I feel
that. Uh the Gallups as far as anybody knew, they kept a night nice and neat tidy home. Um but they only ever saw the
home from the outside. Oh. When the police did eventually make their way inside of this house, they found it
cluttered cluttered with debris that officers and other witnesses would repeatedly describe as clutter, clothes,
knickknack knickknacks, and trash filling every room of the house. Ew. Like it was essentially like a hoarder
house, but like there was like trash and just me out so much. And it well and it's really sad because
obviously like that's a mental illness. Like that's where that all stems from, but like the kids having to live in that
the thing. It's like there's kids and then like thinking about I'm thinking about Kelly.
Kelly in there. Mhm. And that's like a lot of oh, it's just like adds to the stress of
everything. it was a far cry from her home. Where she had grown up. Right. So Richard and Victoria, they spent most of
that Friday evening like I said making calls, walking around the neighborhood, looking for Kelly, just panicking more
and more as every hour passed. The next morning, the search for Kelly continued.
Richard revisited all the places he previously looked for his daughter including the Galu home.
And wait, the Gallups' home. Christ, sorry. It's so hard. No, I totally I'm I'm not
faulting you at all. It's when you read it in your head. I've done that so many times. It drives you
nuts. The Gallups' house. And when Elizabeth Gallup invited the family into the foyer of the home,
Richard and Victoria were actually shocked by the mess that just stretched from one room to the next.
Damn. Richard explained again that several people had seen his daughter go into their home the previous afternoon
and no one had seen her leave. So Elizabeth I guy. Yeah. So Elizabeth was like, "I'm sorry.
Like I was running errands. I really did not see Kelly here, but let me go wake up John." Huh. So he she wakes up John
and he said, "Nope, I haven't seen her in a few days." So they were completely out of options at this point and Richard
and Victoria had to return home and call the police at this point to report Kelly
missing. Ugh, break my heart. Awful. A call you never ever ever ever can't even fathom it. No.
So Thomas McVetey of the Juvenile Aid Bureau of the Nassau County Police Department
Woah. the first one to see the case come in and he returned uh Richard and Victoria's call.
Now after doing the usual due diligence in cases of missing children, calling friends, checking the usual hangouts,
yada yada yada, he went to Kelly's house on Horton Road. And he sat down with Richard and Vicky and went through all
the usual questions. Again explaining, you know, sometimes kids take off for a while, but they usually return.
The classic. nine. The classic. And Victoria was like, "No." She literally said, "Not
Kelly. Kelly doesn't do this." Yeah, parents a lot of parents do know their kid.
Imagine that. Yeah. Now Richard and Victoria explained that several neighbors again had seen
their daughter go into the Gallups' house around 3:15 the previous day, but nobody in the Gallup house says they saw
her. So what the [ __ ] How how What the [ __ ] Yeah. Now they also explained that as
far as they knew, their daughter had no relationship with anybody in that house and as far as they knew again, no reason
to go in there in the first place. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. No. So McVetey and his partner left
their house and started in the direction of the Gallups' home. But as they came up the walkway, they
actually were stopped by Elizabeth Gallup and John Jay who were just leaving Sharon Stahls' house. Mhm. Now
inside like so they eventually made their way inside to their house. Yeah. The detective sat down with Elizabeth
and her younger son and started to explain why they were there. Now, John J told the detectives that he did know
Kelly, but again, couldn't see her the previous day and couldn't think of a reason why she would come to their
house. Okay. Weird. So, McVey asked if anybody else was in the house that they could speak with at
that point and John J disappeared for a moment and then came back with his brother Robert who was accompanied by
like a random friend. Now, Robert told the detectives he knew who Kelly was but hadn't seen her in
quite some time. He said he'd been home all day the previous day and then he just played video games with his brother
and two of his brother's friends that afternoon. And then he said after they were finished playing video
games John J and his two friends left to play basketball and Robert stayed back.
Now, McVey the detective he was like, I don't know like something about this kid
he seems nervous. And he and he noticed that every time Robert would answer a question about the
previous afternoon, he would subtly look at his brother almost like he was trying
to confirm what he was saying. So, the detective just came right out and said, "Why do you keep looking at
your brother?" He goes, "Why not just answer the question straight without help?"
they finally separated the two of them and after doing that the detectives left the house and went across the street to
talk to Sharon Stonall. Now, Sharon said, "Yep, I saw Kelly the previous day. I saw her go into that
house." But this time they learned that Harry Finney who had also seen Kelly go into the house told Sharon it was John J
who opened the door and invited the girl inside. So, John was lying. He had seen
her. I didn't I honestly was thinking like all right, maybe maybe he hadn't. I was
burying the lead. You were cuz I was really thinking he was maybe just nervous because he knew what was going
on but hadn't seen her. He saw her. I don't know if he saw everything but he saw her.
It's hard. I'm going to ask you what you think at the end. This is just terrible.
Yeah, terrific. So, up to that point McVey had no reason to believe that anybody was lying to him
but this new information suggested that no one in the Gallup house was being truthful at all.
So, he called for backup. He explained the situation to his supervisor and he said he he wanted to search the Gallup
home and he said, "I believe that's where the investigation is." So, under normal circumstances the
search would have required a warrant which as we definitely know it would have taken some time to procure
but wanting to be thankfully as helpful as she could Elizabeth actually consented to a search. Wow. Yeah, so so
she really had I don't think so. Absolutely no idea. That's what it sounds like.
I don't think she did at all. So, she invited the the detectives back into the home and she signed the form
boom consent. So, now they had to call in backup to like conduct this whole search. So, backup had arrived. McVey
John Gallup senior and a uniformed officer were making their way through the house and they started making their
way into the basement. And McVey was absolutely shocked at the amount of garbage and clutter all over
the place especially in the basement. He would later tell the jury that the basement was so cluttered it quote
unquote hampered their investigation. And once they were in the basement McVey spotted a small door in the basement
that was blocked by a large steamer trunk which prompted him to ask like what the [ __ ] that was about.
Now, John like the father told the officers that the trunk was just for storage and they were like, "Okay, like
can we move it?" And he was like, "Yeah, sure." So, they move it and once they did McVey
kind of shined his flashlight into the darkness and the light showed that there was a
large green sleeping bag that was zippered and propped really awkwardly against the
wall almost like there was something inside. They approached the bag and they noticed
that it had actually come unzipped near the bottom and partially poking out of it was a
pale and bloody human leg. Yes. Now, McVey immediately secured the scene and called in homicide detectives. The
news of the search had already made its way around the neighborhood and a ton of
the neighbors on Horton Road had come out to their yards and their driveways to see what was going on
including Richard and Victoria Tinney. So, not wanting the news to reach them before he could McVey literally made a
bee-line to this couple so he could tell them himself what had happened. And Victoria just started screaming.
I have like chills all over my body right now. I can't I can't imagine and I I don't even want to like
I just want to give like her parents the biggest hug because they look like they
look like New Englanders like your friend's parents. You know? And like who care
and like you would go over their house and like talk to them while you're hanging out with your friend, you know,
like that kills me. You're just like everyday people and something absolutely [ __ ]
horrible happened. No, Siri are you kidding me right now? Oh, she comes at the worst times. So
[ __ ] rude Siri. Back to the seriousness. That was till I think that was like some something was
like hey, break the tension real quick. Honestly. It's getting deep. Here we are. We're back.
So, detective Lane arrived at the Gallup house around noon that same day and spoke to Elizabeth and John senior while
they waited for the medical examiner to arrive. Now, followed by an interview with John
junior heat and sorry that was followed by an interview with John junior and he told
detective Lane that he got home from school the previous day at the usual time and he had two friends with him
Mick Donnell. Pause pause for lols. Literally Mick Donnell. Who did that? Why you do? Why you do
that? And Chris Earl. Okay, that's fine. So, he said they played Nintendo for a while sign of the
times. And then they hung out with older brother Robert for a bit until he went back up to his bedroom and when he went
back upstairs they said they went and played basketball not long after. According to John J he returned home a
little bit after 5:00 that night. So, the crime scene search unit arrived at the house a little after 1:00 p.m.
and they began what would be an exhausting documentation and search of the basement.
The fact that there was so much garbage and clutter spread everywhere just made it way more difficult.
So, by the time the medical examiner Dr. Lone Thanning arrived an hour later detectives had pulled the sleeping bag
out from the closet and carefully laid it out on the basement floor. And when they moved the sleeping bag
Lane and his partner discovered a pile of lace curtains that were soaked in blood
and also a large World War I era bayonet lying in a pool of blood next to the curtains.
A bayonet? Yes. And here's the thing this medical examiner is a suburban medical examiner
and I just told you there's been like one murder in the past 10 years. Doctor yeah, Dr. Thanning was used to just like
natural cause deaths, you know? And was shocked by what she discovered upon opening the sleeping bag. This is
absolutely brutal just so you know like if you do need to skip please do. One of the detectives on the case would
later say that Kelly's remains were scarcely recognizable as human. Whatever happened to her
and the person that did this like I'm like you're not even a human. You're an animal.
An animal. Her face had been beaten and was insanely bruised by the time she was
discovered. Her throat had been cut so severely that the wound extended quote unquote nearly to her backbone. of her
hair had been ripped from her scalp in what appeared to be handfuls. What the [ __ ]
And then detectives also discovered in the bag a bra that had been knotted like it had been used as a choking device.
She's 13 years old. 13 years old. Now, at a quick glance her body suffered the same brutality as her face if not
more. Her torso she had to tell was just covered in bruises, slashes, two human bite marks.
And her this is super graphic and absolutely [ __ ] awful. Her killer had slit her from sternum to groin
exposing her internal organs. Like horrific. That medical examiner I I have to wonder if that was like the
last case they ever did. I would have to have retired after that. You couldn't prepare for that in a city
setting. No. Never mind in like a suburbia. Just like in this quiet little street where like everybody it's it
really was a quiet little street everybody gets along like and she just got a call like come hey come over.
How many times did you get a call when you were younger to go to your neighbor's house?
Now, going back to the scene a lot of the cuts made to Kelly's torso were consistent with a blade that was the
size and shape of the bayonet. But also at the same time many of them were not consistent with the bayonet
which led detectives to believe that there was a second or possibly even third weapon missing from the scene.
Detective Lane had seen the body when they pulled it from beneath the basement stairs and he theorized that whoever had
done this to Kelly had to be a very large, very powerful person. And very vicious, awful, savage person.
Mhm. Now, he'd seen John Jay, who was average height and weight build for a 14-year-old boy, and he assumed his two
friends were, you know, most likely of a similar build. So, it seemed very unlikely that any of those three were
responsible. Yeah. Possible, but not likely. So, based on all the testimony collected
that day, the only people in the house that previous afternoon were John Jay, those two friends, and 21-year-old
bodybuilder, Robert. Mhm. Bodybuilder. Mhm. So, Detective Jack Sharkey was assigned
the task of interviewing McDonell and Chris Earl, John Jay's two friends, who had been at the house that afternoon.
They confirmed that they had all been there, and just like John Jay said, they played video games before they left to
go play basketball. And they also suggested it was pretty likely that it was John who called Kelly
and invited her over to the house. Wow. Officers had learned that the boy had, {quote} been {unquote}, been sweet
on Kelly for years. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Um and he was the only one in the house that really knew her that day. My god.
Now, after their interview, both boys actually consented to a polygraph test, and they both passed, {quote} {unquote},
with flying colors. Wow. So, because they didn't really match like who they thought could have like
overpowered Kelly and paired paired that hand-in-hand with the passing of the lie
detector test, it rules them out as a suspect. makes sense. Since Donald and Earl were
now crossed off the list of suspects, the only two remaining possibilities were John and Robert. But again, since
he seemed to lack the physical strength they thought would have been necessary, and since his friends had confirmed that
John Jay had been with them that afternoon, Detective Lane decided to focus his attention on the older
brother, Robert. Now, according to Robert, he had woken up around 10:00 a.m. cuz he's a real
winner. Yeah. On the morning of the fifth. He's really killing it. He's really killing the game.
And he said he went to a convenience store to purchase a bodybuilding magazine, Cool.
he is very fixated on his one hobby in life. He's so cool. Yeah, like wicked cool.
And then after he got his magazine, he came right back home, he said. I doubt it. I Who even knows? So, that
afternoon, he spent time with his brother, his brother's friends, and he said after the younger boys left to play
basketball, he went back up to his room. He drank a couple of beers and smoked some weed.
And he said that he never seen he had never seen or spoken to Kelly that afternoon. And in fact, he really only
knew her well enough anyways to say hi. Mhm. Like, weird. Why was she in your house
then? I totally believe you. But he did say that Kelly had been close with his younger brother, John, and that she,
{quote}, sometimes called the the Gallop home twice a day to speak to John Jay. Okay.
So, I do wonder if there was like a little bit of like flirtation going on between
them. there. John Jay and Kelly. Yeah. I don't think John Jay had anything to do with this, to be honest,
in my personal opinion. I don't know, but I don't think so. Okay. So, when police showed Robert the
bayonet used in the attack on Kelly, he said he never owned it and I had actually never seen it before. And as
far as he knew, nobody in the house did either. Oh, a bayonet just showed up in your house one day?
A World War I bayonet, just like essentially an antique. You just plop, it fell in your house?
You know, I can't believe that has happened to somebody else. That happened to you, too, huh?
Yeah, it just showed up in my house. Like, who do you think you're fooling, Robert?
really looking at investigators and being like, yeah, never seen it. It doesn't belong to
anybody in this house. It's It just lives here. Yeah, it's just Yeah, it it pays rent. I don't know.
It doesn't belong to us. What? What? What, dude? bayonet. It's a World War I era bayonet.
That is a relic of years past, and you are telling me that you don't know how it ended up in your house.
Lies. Liar. So, weirdly, he consented to a polygraph examination. He was like, yeah, yeah,
I'll take that. Arrogance. He thought he could beat it. He sure did. He had full-on plans to do
that, because they did go on with the test, but it had to be called off partway through when the examiner
noticed that Robert was trying to mess with the results by holding his breath at various points.
You don't think the examiner is not going to see you holding your breath? Their entire job is to see
every single little thing that sets your body off to make it that you're lying. And you think that holding your breath
is going to somehow get past them? It's an examiner. They examine you. They just watch your ass.
I'm glad you're dumb, but like, [ __ ] So, while detectives interviewed the rest of the neighbors on Horton Road,
the crime scene technicians continued this absolutely crazy job of just task. Daunting task of because this scene is
brutal anyways, and then the added chaos of the of the crime scene. Oh. Now, while they were
searching, there were a few significant items found in the basement. There were two briefcases that contained Kelly's
clothes that she was wearing the day before. Random briefcases. weird. And a large white T-shirt that
appeared to have four semen stains on the front of it. Disgusting. I'll tell you now, I
um they don't think she was sexually assaulted. Well, that's good. Uh like pr- uh pre- pre-mortem? Like
peri- peri-mortem. Um now, each case of the each of the briefcases had some blood smeared on the
outside and on the inside, but it was going to take some time to determine whether that had come from Kelly or her
killer. So, they were they had their work laid out. Damn. Now, the autopsy was performed the
following day. And actually, there was a few people in attendance. There was Detective Richard Wells, the medical
examiner Dr. Fanning, a serologist named Dr. Arlene Collen, and then the chief medical examiner Dr. Leslie Lukash. Mhm.
Now, thankfully, like I was just saying, tests actually found no evidence of semen on the surface of Kelly's body or
internally. Um and there was no other signs of sexual assault. Okay, so pre-mortem she
was or peri-mortem, either one, she was not She was not. Okay. Now, unfortunately though, the
medical examiner wasn't able to find any fingerprints present on the body. Which
is I'm like, did you wash her down? How did that work? But I don't Maybe it was because it was
so brutal. Yeah. Um but the chief medical examiner Dr. Lukash determined the cause of death
was blunt force trauma to the skull. But after identifying more than 200, and this is in {quotes}, 200 discrete blows
to her head, the medical examiner medical examiner had to stop counting. 200? I don't even
I don't I literally my br- like my brain isn't computing that. I don't even know
how that's possible. The randomness of this act is just like, I don't know if maybe that's why it's
one of the most requested cases. It's like it like how did this happen? Like 200
had to stop counting at 200. blows to her head. Yeah. Like, I don't even know how you do that.
What kind of [ __ ] animal do you have to be? And like exactly. Like, that is animalistic behavior.
That is I that's not even of this world. Like, I can't even That's not comprehend.
That's not even like demonic. That's like I'm like, what the even think of a creature that I know of
that could do that to another person or to another creature. long. Yeah. Think about hitting something 200 times.
How long that takes. can't imagine. Just think about like taking your hand and hitting a table 200
times. No. How long that would take and how much energy that would take eventually?
Hours. Hours. Like, that is I'm I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say about that. That's unbelievable.
It's absolutely crazy. girl. I know. And her poor Oh, her family. I just Oh. It's awful. I
actually like have anxiety right now. It's like a lot. really killing me. So, based on the
evidence collected at the scene, Lukash believed that the blunt force trauma was
consistent with the antique rifle found at the scene, but said that the extent of the damage was too great to ever be
positive. Wow. I think so, but I mean, you get to 200 blows, you can't fit an instrument
there. Like, you don't know what that was after a certain point. There's cuz you're not even seeing
distinct like wounds. Exactly. Like, oh my god. Now, the slicing wound to the neck to the neck,
excuse me, was a match for the bayonet, but there also appeared to be an indenta- and this is again, brutal. An
indentation near the wound that until then couldn't be accounted for. Like, they were trying to figure out what that
was. So, doctor the doctor spent more time examining the blade, and then realized that the circular indentation
was caused by the knob on the handle of the knife. Which meant that the killer had to,
{quote} {unquote}, lay the blade across Kelly's throat and then stand the full weight of his body on the knife,
bouncing up and down. I You have to. I have never heard anything like this. Never in my entire life, and you have to
hope and you like I have to like tell myself that she was gone. She had to have been.
With the blows to the head, she had to have been. It had to which does not fix any of this, but it my god, I can't.
Who does We have covered some of the worst of the worst of the worst and I cannot
compare this killer to anyone I have ever read about. This is just like like my arms this entire time are just
covered. Like this is stuff that if you saw it in a horror movie you'd be like who comes
up with that? I don't like want to watch anything by this person ever again. Like no one's like that. No. Oh my god.
No. Oh poor Kelly Ann. Oh and her family to know that your baby went through this.
Honestly like my I know. I just want to hug her so I'm like don't even don't even think I said that.
So when the examination was complete Dr. Lukash concluded that Kelly's murder had
to have been committed by somebody in a frenzy. Yeah to say the least and could only have been done by a quote unquote
incredibly fit and powerful man. So given the amount of evidence collected at the scene and the story
being told by Kelly's body detective Lane and Wells kept their attention focused on the most obvious suspect
Robert Glueck right? No Gollub damn it. Gollub. He was brought into the station at this
point for question even before that. He was brought into the station for questioning actually on
the afternoon that the body was discovered. This all happened very quickly. So John and Elizabeth had been
cooperating with police up to this point but now a lawyer for the family had instructed the two brothers to refrain
from answering any questions beyond the statements they'd already given to the police.
So days passed without an arrest and the public was starting to grow anxious that
there might literally never be another resolution and Kelly's parents Richard and Victoria must have been losing their
god damn minds. Because you know what happened. She went into that house. She was found there. So
why hasn't somebody been arrested yet? I would have been like oh my god I'd be losing my [ __ ] mind.
No in the meantime forensic tests were being conducted and the results I mean remember this is the 80s. The results
were very slow to return. But when they did come they seemed to confirm that Robert was involved in the
killing but there were complications. For one thing there was a handprint discovered near the body that did belong
to Robert but it was discovered in his home which made it a lot less significant.
And then the blood smears on the cases where Kelly's clothes had been found were also determined to be Robert's
blood but given that again it was his home there was no way for analysts to determine whether it was left there the
day of the killing or a day or two before. Like yeah. I don't know who would think that that got left there a
day or two before but but sure. To bring it to court you you got to go beyond a reasonable doubt. Now when Robert was
brought in for questioning on the day of the murder he actually had several small
cuts on his right hand. But those cuts they said showed no signs of having bled recently
which is weird but I'm like I mean how do you really determine that? Like if he has cuts on his hand he has cuts on his
hand. Yeah he does. Right? Like how can you tell if they bled recently? They're red. I mean you could really the only
thing I can think of is like what stage of healing they're in. That's really all I could
say about that I guess. I don't really know. Because I'm like they didn't like were they open cuts? Like if they're
open cuts then over cuts cuz then you could be like they were healing. They're they're in the process of
healing. But the way they put it as no signs of having recently bled. I'm like that's a weird standard. It's like he
would have washed that. Right exactly. So essentially while he may have looked very guilty a good lawyer could have
explained a bulk of the physical evidence as to being no different than skin cells fingerprints and trace fluids
that everybody leaves around their house every day which is really gross that you
like think about that. But on March 24th nearly 3 weeks after Kelly's body had been discovered in the
basement investigators did finally feel like they had enough evidence to make an
arrest and Robert was arrested. Wow. Now it was a step in the right direction but
still people in the community were pissed off. Like they were very frustrated. Kelly's uncle Robert told
the press we feel only a fraction of relief about the arrest. There are so many unanswered questions that are hurt
that are hurting right now. Four people in the house and no one heard anything. That's what's so shocking to me. I'm
like what the [ __ ] is going on in that house? No one heard anything? Like is the basement soundproof?
But then you think about the loud music and I'm like is that why nobody heard anything
because it was so loud that Richie could hear it outside. I'm that adds such a different layer to
this. It's like a horror film. This is like so bad. So those unanswered questions and
frustrations grow or grew excuse me exponentially in the time between the arrest and the trial.
While Robert spent his days in prison he was like lifting weights on the yard or
preparing in his cell for trial a lot was going on back home. Reporters neighbors strangers were harassing John
and Elizabeth Gollub nonstop. Their home was being referred to as a murder house
because that's what it was and the harassment had actually become so intense that they had to send John J
off to a private boarding school which if he had nothing to do with this that that happened.
It's just so weird. And then Kelly's family claimed that the at the same time that the Gollubs were trying to
intimidate them and then the Gollubs claimed that they were being prevented from freely coming and going to their
home and Elizabeth claimed that actually she was being sexually harassed around town at this point. So it is a whole
full blown mess. It is like the neighbors that hate each other. The the you know it's
the Hatfields and McCoys. Yeah that's literally I loved that little like hand motion you were doing. I knew it would
get you. Flowy hands and I was like got it. The the Hatfields and the McCoys. Yeah.
That's exactly what this was. And eventually the tension had become so disruptive like fights had broken out
and everything that a police officer had to be regularly parked on Horton Road to
intervene if necessary. It got that bad which is sad and you can understand why it got that bad.
Now while all of that was going on in the neighborhood Robert's defense lawyer John Lewis he was hard at work trying to
get a ton of critical evidence excluded from trial. Yeah. Prior to trial a Frye hearing was
held to determine whether the DNA evidence collected at the scene mostly from the outside of the briefcases and
the palm print on the wall they wanted to see it in this trial if it would be allowed at the murder trial.
Now for those that don't know because I didn't know a Frye hearing according to Cornell Law School quote determines the
admissibility of an expert scientific testimony and other types of evidence. So back then you weren't seeing a lot of
cases where DNA was being In fact Kelly's was actually one of the first cases in America where DNA was used.
Yeah. Now so they had to have that hearing to see like what was going to be admissible
and what wasn't. Okay. So John Lewis argued that DNA science was still in its infancy and it was unreliable. Oh. DNA
evidence. But the prosecution presented several experts who testified that DNA fingerprinting is a reliable
scientific theory that is generally accepted in the scientific community and that the six step procedure used to
extract and analyze DNA samples is also generally accepted in the scientific community.
They're like so there. They're it feels all right. So there were more pretrial hearings
that took place in mid-August and the tensions were insanely high. There was a lot of fighting going on between the
families. There were fights within the courtroom. I would be throwing hands. People had to be escorted out and then
more problems were to come in October when the defense attorney John Lewis was thrown off the case.
So he actually got into an argument with the judge that was presiding over the case judge Marvin Goodman and the
defense attorney Lewis told the judge that he wasn't prepared to go to trial that month and he wanted to push out to
January to get to have more time to prepare. Who gives a [ __ ] about the families that
have to sit here and deal with this [ __ ] Exactly. Let's let's push it out because
I'm not ready. I'm not ready. Sorry. It's like you've had plenty of time. Like you if you don't have a good case
it's because he did it. The end. The end. Also so says I. So says I. I would tap my own gavel.
But the judge denied that request basically saying everything that we did and saying he hadn't provided a legal
reason for it. So like no. Just cuz you're not prepared isn't my fault. Exactly. That's probably exactly what he
said. But Lewis lost it. He was pissed about that and he said he wasn't going to be forced to go to trial and that
Goodman could hold him in contempt or throw him in jail. And Goodman was like I'm not going to do
either of those things. You're just not going to work on this case. You're you're done. Yeah. And he was
you're done and he was replaced with Salvatore Marinello. Hopefully I said that right. So Robert's
trial for the second degree murder of Kelly Ann began on February 15th 1990. Yeah. So and it took place in
I don't know if I'm going to look this up. Manola New York? Yeah. Totally. So in opening statements the prosecutor
Daniel Cotter laid out the extent of the evidence including the mass of DNA evidence that linked Robert to the
murder. My god. He also detailed the extent of Kelly's injuries, and he paid particular
attention to the mutilation of the genitals and the buttocks because [ __ ] up. she had been, like I said,
completely Oh, like eviscerated. eviscerated. Yeah. And one of the bite marks was
actually to her backside, like on her bum. god, you [ __ ] animal. And happened postmortem. Holy [ __ ]
Like not even an animal. An animal wouldn't even do this. I don't even know what to compare this
[ __ ] to. And that's the thing, it's like not even an animal, not even a demon.
Doesn't exist. know what to call you. An entity unto itself, truly. An entity unto itself. Seriously. So, Cotter told
the jury, "Because of all this, it is fair to assume that this is a sexual assault by a male." Oh. Oh.
Then it was the defense's turn. Salvatore told the jury, "The prosecution expects you to make
judgments through inferences." And basically told the jury that the evidence was highly scientific, very
confusing, and they couldn't trust it. I'm obsessed with the fact that they were like, Uh, DNA?
a little too sciency for me, everybody. This is going to be like biology class, and we're going to be very confused.
that [ __ ] right out. We don't need science. Science. Facts? Are you guys looking for facts?
[ __ ] that. Like, what? No, we don't want scientific facts. And here, there's hard-to-pronounce words.
Yes, of course. me sad. And are you guys Are you Are you all right? Right, exactly. Science is not a
reliable thing in a trial? Can you imagine? Like 1990. That's what people are saying. I was only born 6 years
later. Jesus. Like you were five. Five Wow, that's it. Um, I'm like, you're old.
1990, right? Yeah. Yeah, five. And they're And they're literally like, "DNA?" like, "Ew, what's that? Like sounds
gross." in your lifetime. Yeah, that's upsetting. Isn't that upsetting? upsetting.
But, like I said, this was a time in America where DNA really hadn't been used in a ton of court cases.
Yeah. To to get a guilty verdict, anyways. Yeah, it's hard to say. So, he was definitely hoping
that all this scientific garbage Oh, yeah. hullabaloo was going to go over the jury's head. But, just in case it
didn't, he also tried to put doubt in their minds about everybody there that day and told the jury, "There were three
other boys in the house that day who could have done this, right? They were there right around the time of the
murder." I'm like, "They're three 14-year-olds. They are all the same size." Yeah. I I don't think so.
Truly. No. Now, luckily, prosecutor Cotter there was able to shoot down that argument by pointing out how unlikely it
would be for three 14-year-old boys to commit, {quote} "a savage, vicious act, then covered with blood, and then go
calmly play basketball." Yeah. Cuz again, like they literally had no alibi. Yeah. And then to prove his point even
further that it wasn't one of these younger boys, he explained that one of the boys placed a call to his mom from
the Gallop house at about 3:21 to go tell her that he and his friends were leaving to play basketball. Hm. So,
I wonder because that phone call meant Kelly entered the house shortly after 3:20 p.m., I would say,
that she would have been in the house alone with Robert. So, that makes me wonder, was it John Jay that called, or
was it Robert saying he was John Jay, knowing that his brother had been maybe like flirting with Kelly, and they had
all gone out to go play basketball, and he saw some kind of opportunity? That to me That's what That That makes
sense. Right? To me, it makes sense that this little [ __ ] would pretend to be his
little brother to lure her to that house. what I think. Because I don't see I don't know anything about this family.
I don't know anything about these this pagan his brother. Uh-uh. But, I don't know if it makes sense that like
this kid would just lure her there, especially if he liked her. If he was sweet on her, exactly.
Like they had some kind of thing. And then he's going to leave? Like if anything, you would think he would If he
was the one that called her, I feel like And And if she liked him, they would have gone and played basketball
together, you know? Yeah, it's strange. To me, it feels more like this guy pretending. Yeah,
definitely. I agree. cunning as [ __ ] That's my theory, is that he obviously saw Kelly around town,
probably developed some kind of weird [ __ ] fascination, Because he's a figure of fun.
[ __ ] troll. Oh, he's beyond even Pigman. beyond words. True pigman. Yuckas. Yeah. Yuckas McGee
is the new name. Truly. Now, over the course of the next few weeks, jurors were presented with a whole slew of
information and uh evidence. I can't imagine having to sit on this jury. No, I I can't. Having
to hear about those injuries in real time would be outrageous. And they did have to because the doctor, the medical
examiner, took the stand to testify about the extent of the injuries and placed the death somewhere between
3:30 and 8:20. I'm thinking it was closer to the 3:20 range of things. Um, and the doctor also testified that
while a lot of the slice injuries were caused by the rusty bayonet, there were others caused by at least two additional
instruments that were unaccounted for. Then another expert, excuse me, the serologist, Dr. Arleen Colman, explained
how DNA can be used to trace blood or other fluids back to a single individual. Okay. So, she explained this
to the jury, and they were able to comprehend this. able to understand. Crazy. Now, according to this doctor, the
investigators had found several spots of Robert's blood mixed with or adjacent to
Kelly's blood, meaning that, {quote} "Kelly's killer had his own blood on his hands when he was attempting to clean up
after Kelly's death." Which makes sense. Of course it does. Like he's not coming out of there with
no scratches on his hands. Absolutely not. So, the analysis of the palm print that was discovered on a
piece of crown molding near the basement closet was also a match for the Robert for Robert, excuse me. And a crime scene
analyst testified that the print was most likely left there very shortly after Kelly was murdered. He must He
probably like leaned up against the wall to move her. So, after closing arguments on April
2nd, 1990, the jury deliberated for a full day before returning a verdict of guilty. Not even going to make you wait
for that. Good. When the verdict was read, the courtroom literally erupted into screams and cries
from Kelly's family. Like just they were so happy, but then that happiness turned to anger, and they
were like like it was just way too much for everybody involved. how do you even wrap your brain around
it? So, while that was all going on and like everybody's like trying to figure out even how to feel about this, Robert
is just sitting there with literally zero emotion. Cuz he's a a beast. He's beyond. Beyond. Now, he return
returned I was going to say reentered. He returned to court on June 1st for sentencing.
And in a surprising turn of events, 11 of the 12 jurors who sat on the case actually asked to attend the sentencing
hearing. They wanted to be there. And so did four of the alternates who had also sat through the trial. They
wanted to see this [ __ ] sentenced. Holy, I don't blame them. The court also received over a thousand letters from
the public demanding that he be sentenced to life in prison. Wow. So, he was given the opportunity to
speak before he was sentenced. Which I'll never understand why we let that happen. Me, either. And he did take
the chance to say that he was innocent. Shut the [ __ ] up. It's weird that your blood was
everywhere, though. Yeah, that's strange. And he told the jury, "I did not kill Kelly-Anne Tinnes.
Who let Kelly into our home? Who could have had any motive? These are questions I have to answer. These are questions
the jury should have considered." Okay. You really thought you did something? Like, for sure. He then went on to scold
the jury. He said that there was a police conspiracy to convict him. The jury was against him. They hadn't
behaved properly. The crime scene technicians and analysts who had processed the scene were also all out to
get him. Blah blah blah. cares that much about you, my friend. No. So, when he finished with that load
of malarkey, uh the judge Goodman, who I love, told him, "The acts which you committed in this case are are by far
the most atrocious that I have ever experienced in my 17 years as a judge." Truly. "And the manner in which you
killed Kelly-Anne Tinnes and mutilated her body surpasses the worst murders known to this county."
Yeah. "No dictionary contains sufficient words to describe the brutality of your
acts. Unfortunately, the sentence option given to me by all of our laws fall short of the sentence which you truly
deserve. You are hereby sentenced to a maximum term of life and to a minimum term of 25 years." Which is would not
even be slightly enough. So, 25 years to life. Like not enough. Oh, no. Now, Robert appealed his conviction
1993, thinking that that was really going to move anybody. It didn't. He said it was on the grounds that the
evidence was mishandled, the analysis of the DNA was improper, cuz he knows how to do that. Oh, yeah. And the um No,
that was just it. But, the appeals court upheld the conviction. Good. Now, he maintained his innocence until his case
came up for consideration by the parole board Oh. in 2013. And he had a hearing.
And he finally confessed to the murder. And he said that he had killed Kelly-Anne, {quote} "in a rage due to
his due to his use of a ridiculous amount of anabolic steroids." it. Yep. I knew it. But, like I I've seen people
on steroids. You've seen people on steroids. That is more than just steroids. You have a beast that lives
inside of you. I was just going to say. That was then fed those steroids. those steroids. That's a perfect way of
saying it. Exactly. very much already inside of you. It is inside every cell in your body that you
were able Anabolic steroids did not create you to do that. No. They allowed that beast to come out.
That's all it was. Exactly. He claimed that he never meant to kill her. Shut the [ __ ] up, Robert. Shut the [ __ ] up.
The extent of her injuries and you never meant to kill her. I want to put a boot in your [ __ ]
face. Are you kidding me? You never meant to kill her. Shut the [ __ ] up. Like go back to your tiny little cell
Say nothing. the rest of your days remembering what you did to her knowing full well that
you are going to a place that is literally worse than hell. I hope she haunts you until the minute
you die. every single second truly of every single I hope Kelly haunts you. He said he was remorseful.
Oh, shut the [ __ ] up. are cuz you want to get out of prison. You don't exist. You're not a real
thing. No. You don't have the same [ __ ] that everybody else does. Remorse is not it's
a vocabulary word to you. It's not a feeling. If you can do that to a human there is
no part of me that believes you are capable of remorse. Not one part of me that believes that.
not. Luckily, state parole officials were as unconvinced as we are and Robert has
since been denied parole on two different occasions. they tell him to go [ __ ] himself every
single time. I don't think they're allowed to but they probably say it as he walks out.
as he walked out, I'd be like, "Don't don't forget, Robert. Go [ __ ] yourself."
Every single time. Remember last time? Go [ __ ] yourself. If you haven't done it
yet Yep. go [ __ ] yourself, Robert. Literally into oblivion. I hate this pig. I This is like This is
of the worst. the most brutal ever I think I can I mean that is But I I I don't think I could ever cover another
case like this. Now, in the years since Kelly's murder, her parents, Richard and Victoria, they
hold a celebration on her birthday, March 5th Oh. uh every single year to remember her. And still, their neighbors
from Horton Road join them and now it's gone like way above and beyond that. Like people all join all the time.
Amazing. And from all over. And in 2021, they had a a memorial unveiled at a park in
Valley Stream which honors the memory of Kelly. Oh, I love that. Now, Robert remains in
prison. He still hopes that he's going to get some kind of parole. Uh he's not going to. I hope you slowly rot. But
Richard and Victoria and countless other members of Valley Stream are locked and
loaded with victim impact statements and letters demanding he remain in prison. In the interest of public safety Uh
Yeah. Like not only just for their peace of mind, like not wanting to see him ever
again But he should never be allowed around people ever again. you can do that one time, I can't
[ __ ] imagine what you would do if you like didn't live in your parents' house and were left to your own devices.
Yeah. I can't even fathom it. in your parents' home. Well, that's what's wild to me.
Just went down to the basement. No. I can't. What the really can't [ __ ] So, that is the tragic tragic tragic
case of Kelly Anne Tinyes. I am speechless. It was very hard to get through. I like
Speechless. Just You just remember being 13 and I can't imagine that happening to like
anybody I knew at 13 years old. A 13 is a a baby. I mean that is She was just about to two days later,
she would have been 14. Oh, right before her birthday and it's just like That family, I can't. And like her poor
little brother. That's the thing and then to have to like go on and like be okay for Richie.
Like I can't imagine. I can't imagine but they seem like the most amazing people. They really do.
Wow. Oh, I just want to give them a hug. I know. That's awful. Yeah, this is a awful case. I think um were you going to
do something spooky? Yeah, you know what? I'm going to follow this up with something maybe like um
haunted road or lake or like or something. I'll I'll you'll know obviously but like it's
There'll be there'll be some something in there. haunted school. I think we have a whole
folder of those. Yeah, we got a lot of those. So, yeah, we'll follow it up with just one spooky. Yeah, just a little
Haven't done one in a while. Just a little palate cleanser if you will. Yeah, we're due for one. Feels
right. Feels feels good especially after this. I need a minute. Yeah. So, I need
a beat. Yeah, I need a beat. You know. Oi. So, yeah, look out for that. And with that being said, guys, we hope
you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. You know I'm not saying anything.
No. That's it. Nope. That's a wrap. Bye. Goodbye. Love you guys. Hope you have a great
day.

Kelly Ann Tinyes was at home babysitting her eight-year-old brother, Richie, on the afternoon of March 3, 1989 when the phone rang. Richie answered, talking briefly to the man on the other end of the line, before handing the phone to his sister, telling her it was someone named “John.” After a short conversation with “John,” Kelly hung up the phone and left the house around 3:15 pm, telling her brother she was going to her friend’s house down the street and would be right back. It was the last time Kelly’s family would see her alive.

Thank you to the prodigious David White for research assistance :)

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Brief Summary

The episode details the tragic murder of Kelly Anne Tinyes and the investigation leading to Robert Gollub's conviction.

Key points

Emotional Reactions to TV. Elena shares her unexpected emotional response to a show, leading to a funny moment with John.
The Joy of Pets. Ash and Elena discuss how their new puppies have positively impacted their lives after loss.
Frustration Mounts. Richard and Victoria search for their missing daughter, growing increasingly worried.
The Gallups' Secrets. Neighbors reveal that John Jay lied about Kelly's presence in their home.
A Disturbing Discovery. Detectives find a bloody leg in a sleeping bag during a search.
Brutal Discovery. The medical examiner reveals the horrific state of Kelly's remains, shocking everyone involved.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I would lay down my life for you guys now too.

Expressing love for the new puppies.

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