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hey weirdos it's me it's Elena what's going on how was your day I hope it's awesome that's all I wanted to say no
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because we figured you know from Wednesday to Monday is a long wait for us and for you too much we'd all be sad
we don't want that so we finally came up with a good Cadence we're gonna drop episodes on Monday and Thursday from
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and we want to stay on that and yeah I think this is going to work for everybody it just feels better we don't
want that big chunk of time between episodes you don't either um so yeah that's what we're gonna do
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hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid this is morbid what I copied you I'm sorry oh
you're so annoying [Music] [Music] uh there's you know what there's been a lot of stuff going on lately not with us
not with us but with a certain reality show that we have talked about many many times that I know a lot of you watch
[Music] these are the best days these are not the best days of their lives maybe the worst of some of their
lives which makes my heart hurt like first and foremost I think we said it on the jbn episode but uh Team
[ __ ] Ariana yeah in case you don't know we're talking about Vanderpump Rules we just went right into
we're like team Ariana yeah but like honestly at this point it really doesn't even need to be you described I think
somebody described it as Chandler cheating on Monica with Rachel and Joey knowing the entire time in case you do
not watch Vanderpump Rules and you need a frame of reference yes but like I feel
like even if you don't watch Vanderpump Rules you've been hearing like The Echoes I was actually getting my Botox
done yesterday and I had a new girly like injecting my face and she said I I was like do you watch Bravo like do you
know what's going on she was like so I don't but I know everything that's going but I know the exact situation you are
referring to and I think a lot of people are in that situation like the people that don't watch and here's the thing if
you don't like if you don't watch it and you don't give a [ __ ] about this don't
worry we're getting into a true crime case in a couple minutes we just I know a lot of you do I know a lot of you with
me so we're gonna chat about it for a minute because yeah I swear if I say to John on the couch at night one more time
if I just look up from my phone and go all right so one more thing happened he's and he bless him bless his heart
he's good at like he's great what's up he literally he was like okay because I I looked over at him the other day and I
was like you're my best friend oh you need to hear this and he was like okay all right I was like I knew that would
get you but it's never the same as talking to somebody who's been there since the beginning because we started
Vanderpump Rules together in 2014 I had just graduated high school and I would skip going to college all the time and
just do like my college classes I don't even know what the [ __ ] they were called
and I just would go to your house and we would like literally eat sleep breathe Vanderpump Rules it's it's a really
unique reality show in the way that it just it rarely stops giving rarely and there are a couple times like here's the
thing two or three years but we stuck through we stuck through the valley Village
um you know purchases we stuck through them trying to introduce an entirely new cast that didn't work out but we hung in
there and we got Charlie out of it we got Charlie out of it I'm a Charlie Stan we you know and now uh we have always
loved Ariana never wavered I have loved Ariana you have loved Ariana she's always been our girl because she's real
she is I think she's like the realest one out of everyone and you know what it's like you get your ups and downs
with people in this crew but like Ariana's always been a ride or die yeah she's like a a steady steady girly and
um I am horrified by Tom Sandoval and Rachel and Rachel but it's like like we need to talk about this just for a
second Tom Sandoval dressed as his mistress for Halloween in front of Ariana that's
another level of like deep-seated evil like she's evil Rachel posed for a picture with him dressed as her knowing
full well they were having a full-blown Affair at the time yeah in front of Ariana do you understand that when the
two of them come out and go guys we're so sorry we're so sorry that we hurt people and and Rachel's like I'm gonna
work on myself it's like [ __ ] both of you you're kidding me her saying that she needs to heal
ah what about Ariana dog well and it's just I'm sorry you're coming out and you two are saying we're sorry we never
meant to hurt anyone oh my goodness but you dressed as your mistress for Halloween in front of Ariana while you
were having an effect No One Believes that you're sorry you created an entirely false story to make it seem
like Schwartz was the one like [ __ ] around with Rachel and also that was [ __ ] up in and of itself because he
was hot off a divorce with one of their [ __ ] cast members and friends and I like Katie too and I feel like that was
created and hurt Katie it did hurt you put Katie in a position to be hurt just so that you could save the weird like
bro code that these dudes have is unlike anything I have ever seen oh my God I was just gonna say I've never seen
anything like it it goes beyond like this plane of reality it does because they will sacrifice everything about
themselves for their dudes for their Bros and it's like no there is a time where you need to go time out this is
Bad News Bears this way a fake [ __ ] scenario and like dump my life down the dumpster because you want to Fook
somebody on the side and like step out on your girlfriend and it's also like they were together for like and Tom were
together for nine years purchased a home together like she has a dog that like I'm sure Tom became like a dad too
married for all intents and purposes I mean that's common law marriage what it's it's seven years right yeah and
it's and just that existence is married for all intents and purposes without the
paper I mean if you've lost them all the time like people think they're married yeah and that's so [ __ ] and yeah it's
just a real bummer and then like seeing in the episode where I think Lala was saying like you know to Rachel she was
saying you know like when you drink I wouldn't let you around my man which is like whoa you gotta really take a look
in the mirror of somebody saying that to you and then Rachel's response was good
thing you don't have a man for me to be around whoa you are gross my friend Rose
Christina Kelly wrapped it up perfectly when she just pulled back the covers to protect herself from Rachel and was like
Rachel she literally goes oh my God Rachel Christina Christina Kelly's like like coming back
this season is everything too I always thought she was hilarious everything and we never got enough Christina but you if
you listen to somebody else's podcast like back when you could um you would get a lot of Christina
Kelly yeah and I loved that that's true we love a Christina Kelly we do but honestly the whole thing is wild it's
insane it's getting Wilder by the day and the the other thing too is like so like everything is coming out online but
then the season is airing right now and we are watching it now through such a different lens because as things are
happening right now the affair is already happening like right now you're watching it and you're like oh no and it
just breaks my heart Ferrari it's so nice to see that all the women are just standing or walking around her and she
looks like she's thriving she's gonna come out of this should you never needed him to be good I can't wait to see her
revenge story oh I can't wait just like living because she's gonna be just fine of course she is she's gonna be
justified Ariana and she's gonna be justified she's got like a good heart you can tell come on the podcast Ariana
I would [ __ ] myself we'll talk about everything but this yeah we don't even have to talk we don't even have to talk
about it should we just like start a Bravo podcast I know I would love to oh my God that's my actual calling just to
sit here and do this that is my actual calling but I know a lot of you are with us and you've what you've because we've
gotten a lot of messages that are like I am a Bravo like head and I want to talk
about this so yeah we just had to get this out because guys [ __ ] wild dude it's it doesn't feel real but it is
there's court documents and it's not just Rachel no there have been other women allegedly allegedly
yeah of course allegedly there have been other women like but it just keeps coming out more and more and more and
it's getting worse and worse and worse every day yeah it's wild yeah but you know what we just we had to get that out
I'm so stressed and you know I'm sure we'll have something else to to bring forth about this on the next episode
probably I mean we're probably like when this comes out it's gonna be a little old I think a couple of weeks so you'll
be like okay like all that information is two years old and you didn't even touch upon this huge thing like um we're
two weeks behind so but yeah so we had to talk about this we just had to get it off our chest
honestly because we've been screaming about it to Mikey all day I know Mikey is like I don't watch Bravo but I would
but he's into it now he will be we're giving away he will be honestly no really a good way to transition out of
that and it's no True Crime case it's just that's a terrible situation but my goodness is this a worse situation this
is a very sad situation this case is rough it like it hurt me I don't know this one at all oh you
don't no um I didn't either before I looked into it and I was just I think I found this while I was researching
something else that always happens to me yeah so and then I was like oh and I fell kind of down this rabbit hole
because we'll talk about it one of the headlines in this case you read it and you're like wait what so then you start
reading more and you're like oh okay well that's layered yeah so it all starts on the afternoon of October 22nd
2010 so it's not all tiny guys it's 2010. Ash brings it newer of course sometimes most of the time but today so
15 year old Rebecca aylward left her house in my Stig I looked that up and I really hope I'm saying it correctly my
stick is in Wales um Rebecca had plans to go meet her ex-boyfriend in a wooded area just
outside of aberkin fig which I also looked up and I hope I'm saying correctly now she was under the guise
that they were actually going to be reconciling because they had recently gone through a breakup they were going
through hard times you know and but this she was really excited about okay so she
told her mother Bye Mom I love you as she grabbed her purse and walked out the door
and unfortunately that would be the last time that Rebecca's mother would see her
alive so let's talk about who Rebecca was uh she really went by Becca so Becca Lee
aylward was born on February 25th 1995 to John and Sonia um she was the first child of what would
eventually be three kids and she was beautiful and she had one of those faces and we always say this but I mean it
should one of those faces where you would see her in a crowd and be like I want to be that girlfriend oh yeah that
girl looks cool she had the perfect scene bangs because this is 2010. yes and I tried to cut those and I was like
we all tried to have those we all did but but Becca had them yeah she did when she [ __ ] rocked them but beyond look
she was also a very smart girl um her mother Sonia said she was born inquisitive and I knew from well before
she could even speak that she was a bright girl a girl who took everything in like I love that very astute
she was also just a really easy child to raise and to be around she loved being with her parents she was really close
with her mom and when she was little she loved playing dress-up in her mom's closet she put together like different
outfits and accessories and she'd throw the heels on and it's just like pure oh I love it I love that now when she
entered primary school she was still known to be pleasant and easy going her parents or her teachers would always
tell her parents that they wish they had a class full of Rebecca's oh right and then of course as a parent that's
everything that's exactly what you want to hear and of course again it speaks to
who Becca is but it also speaks to her who her parents are yeah like absolutely raising a great daughter for sure it
does so her Natural Curiosity and love for things like reading and writing those things made her a good student but
she also stood out in other ways she would always stand up for other students if they needed to be stood up for she
would offer help in the classroom like once she got her work done she was always helping somebody else that needed
it just a good person she was just willing to be there for someone and her willingness to help was extra
appreciated at home because like I said she was the oldest and she took that role as oldest very seriously
her mom would always say that she was like a little mum oh little mum so when her sister Jess was born in 1980 or
excuse me 1998. Becca loved helping with the whole baby and it was just like awesome she would get her her like dress
she loved all her little clothes and she wanted to always feed her little sister
oh my goodness she was so little and she was such a big help yeah that's how my twins are with the littlest one oh my
God it literally reminded me yeah it's the exact same thing and then five years later she had a little brother Jack and
he was born and her little mum Instinct had not gone anywhere it was still there
and given the age difference between Becca and Jack he really started relying on her kind of like a second mom oh I
love it like his mom was a wonderful mom of course but he just got a Bonus but he
got a bonus for sure and he would go to her if he couldn't sleep or if he was anxious about school oh my goodness and
just like confide in Becca and look to her to like feel safe and happy and think about what like a nurturing child
you have to be to have that kind kind of instinct to that young yeah and to like
act on it how she did yeah exactly yeah so when she entered her teen years she started thinking more and more seriously
about her life beyond secondary school and by the time she went into High School her mum recalled that she had
already got her life mapped out she said Sonia wrote that um in her book and she
said that Becca was a great student who studied hard she wanted to pursue a law degree when she went to University damn
and her ultimate goal was to One Day become a barrister which was okay and intense lawyer a very intense lawyer you
know that's how I looked it up that's it's the definition that's what Google says it says Barrister very a very
intense lawyer look it up Esquire yeah I forgot that part of course now of course she also had less career oriented
and like more romantic goals for herself yeah of course relatable now according to her mom she would quote spend lots of
time planning every last detail of her wedding drawing her ideal wedding dress right down to the flowers that she'd
have in her bouquet she's multifaceted multi-faceted and I just like I feel like you know who she is based off
everything you get from her mom and like what you see of her in pictures like she
just seems [ __ ] rad yeah she's got that like romance jeans where she can be Whimsy and romance and you can talk love
but she can also sit there and be like listen this is what I want to do I want to be a serious Barrister I want to work
my ass off and also I have this motherly and also I can I can mum my little little siblings because I'm this
nurturing wonderful encouraging human like what couldn't she do like I'm sorry like do you exist why seriously she just
sounds like an angel yeah she does she was an angel yeah now she met a perspective love interesting named
Joshua Davies in 2008 and he quickly became a regular presence in their family home they this family welcomed
him with open arms that makes me even sadder because I don't think this is going to be a good thing that's a pretty
good feeling you had right there um Mom Sonia would later say pretty much right off the bat Josh was loved and
accepted by everybody in the family and especially that Becca's little brother Jack really started to look up to Josh
the more and more time they spent together as like a big brother oh and Josh really seemed to be equally as fond
of them at an age where most teenagers started kind of pulling away from their parents Josh actually seemed like he
enjoyed hanging out with Becca and her family and like wanted to be like as a family and that's you want that totally
and he especially liked Sonia like he found it easy to talk to Sonia and at the time Sonia felt like it was easy to
talk to him they would talk about music a lot together because they both really loved music and Sonia would end up
telling reporters in 2018 I liked him before it happened he was okay he was always polite and nice no bad language
he seemed like a decent boy we all knew his family his younger brother was friends with my two younger ones right
so this is like a community of people and these are always the things that stress me out so much is when you hear
them like people be like he was in my home like I liked him there was no reason to think anything different it's
like that is the scariest thing and there's no warning sign that's exactly it because I think a lot of times when
we say this like murderers and serial killers people are like oh my God like how could you not know they were so evil
like look at them and it's like no the thing is they can switch that Charming like I'm an amazing person
little switch on so easily exactly and blend right they are master manipulators master and that's an alliteration there
you go now in retrospect obviously Sonia could see that there were red flags indicating that Josh might not have been
as nice and polite as he appeared to be there were times where he would stay over for like no reason and Sonia didn't
know why but she would tell Jack to put his things away especially his toy swords or like potentially hurtful items
it was like she subconsciously wanted to keep these things away from Josh ooh like a mother's instinct yeah
now this is uh this is like he was racist so if you don't want to hear that sound forward a little bit there was an
incident where they were watching television together and they saw members of the KKK and Josh commented that he
wanted to join the KKK time to get out time to time to get the fork out of my house in time to get the
[ __ ] away from my kid and his actual comment was like way more explicit to the point where I didn't even feel
comfortable repeating it here I'm sure you can find it at an article if you would like to know ew but it was
horrible so in the moment Becca being I mean this is in front of her family so that's putting her in a real [ __ ]
position like she's like what the [ __ ] where did that come yeah so she lightly
scolded him but she tried to play it off like he was kidding remember she's 15. and she's probably hoping yes she's
exactly hoping she is but Sonia was made really uncomfortable she was like what that came out of left she's like that is
not a joke and that's not what we are about in our house listen that's not our humor yeah she didn't like that yeah so
she ended up when Josh had gone home talking to Becca about it and she was like what was that about yeah and Becca
ended up telling her mom how uncomfortable she was and how shocked she was and she said later on actually
her and Josh got into an argument about it oh and it makes me so sad because that's exactly how this should have gone
where like you didn't escalate things you didn't you didn't make it a scary situation because if he says something
like that you're like okay I don't know what you're capable of here see when he leaves the mom did the right thing Sonia
did the right thing she walked it she told her daughter that made me very uncomfortable what was that about her
daughter agreed and said it made me very uncomfortable like that's a really good
that shows a really good relationship and a really good like line of communication between I was just gonna
say mom and daughter clear communication she didn't she didn't blow it up to make
it weird for her kid she talked to her afterwards and her kid felt the same way it's like that is like a really good
relationship and it makes me so sad that it couldn't have translated into because
what that's such a difficult situation after that because it's like now you have to hope that your 16 year old has
the strength right to walk away from that but then at the same time someone who will say something like that that's
dangerous and scary and leaving them can create a more dangerous situation so it's like that's a really difficult set
of things circumstances of time where Sonia was like so stressed out about this she also can't force her daughter
to break up with her well that's the thing and it's like you are helpless and you don't want to you don't want to try
to go down that row and then lose that clear line of communication with her exactly I feel like she's hiding things
from you so I think personally just like you I think Sonia went about this the best way I think she did I think she did
the very right thing and I think if she had pushed if you push too hard especially at that age like 16 they're
gonna I'm terrified for teenage years just because of I know it's a precarious time I remember how I was
you don't listen to anybody and it's like if somebody pushes too hard one way you might go down the same way and it's
like so I know she probably didn't want to push the issue and make her want to cling to him more just out of going
against Defiance yeah you know even though it doesn't sound like Rebecca was that type of kid not at all you just
don't want to play with fire with that stuff and you never know is the other thing like we've covered pieces where
yeah like they were never that kind of kid and then that wasn't the case here luckily yeah
it sounds like it was with Josh like things just started going awry with him and the change in his personality was
happening slowly gradually like little things Sonia was starting to pick up on Becca was starting to pick up on and
just getting like more and more uncomfortable and that's worse yeah because you're not able to absorb it all
at once so it's not it's harder to manage kind of thing they've already shown you such an amazing side of them
and that love bombed you and you're in you are in this now so now they can start peeling back those layers and it
makes it harder to rip away exactly exactly so yeah it happened gradually but Becca and her mom were seeing a
slightly darker side of Josh emerging he started spending hours in the woods with
his best friend Daniel and they would occasionally camp out in the woods overnight and this just made Sonia
really uneasy yeah like what the hell are you doing and then it made her particularly uneasy because they started
trying to convince girls from school to come camp out with them in the woods and
Sonia told Becca she insisted she was like you never ever go into those woods with them alone or with anybody else
even if you think there's gonna be other kids there do not go into the woods with
them no so oh how scary things were getting weird now Josh obviously like I was saying earlier he seemed to love
Becca's family he seemed to like spending time with them but at school and around their friends he didn't
really seem to be proud to be with Becca and he also wanted to hide the fact that
they were a couple it reminded me of when we were talking about the Betty story yeah weeks ago it's like why would
you not be proud of that it's like [ __ ] you Beck is awesome she is and you're not and you are not my friend so the
relationship really fell apart in January 2010 and Josh was the one actually that ended up uh breaking up
with Becca and immediately started dating another girl now the reason for the breakup all or
the reasons they're still unclear but Josh occasionally told his friends it was because Becca had quote tried to
trick him into getting her pregnant which was not true doubt it doubt it doubt it that's the thing most people
including us who heard this explanation thought it was complete nonsense and even Becca was like uh no he broke up
with me actually because I wouldn't have unprotected sex with him thanks though complete opposite yeah thanks though
yeah no they had only dated three or four months but Becca was really heartbroken over this of course you're
16. it was probably one of her first loves or potentially her first love yeah she was devastated by the end of it and
she was going through it and of course but Josh on the other hand he seemed angry with Becca and it's like
but you're the one that broke up with her yeah I'm not I'm confused here yeah and then he after the breakup he started
making comments to his friends about killing Becca what the [ __ ] he started joking about killing her guys no one
jokes about killing someone just that's a flat out blanket statement one of the biggest themes in this case is joking
quote unquote about killing somebody murder is not funny yeah murder is not a joke murder does not have a punchline
yeah and those are your three rules if someone's and especially if someone is consistently joking about murdering
someone a particular person call the [ __ ] authorities call the authorities tell your mom tell a trusted tell
someone call someone tell the mailman tell someone tell someone and especially if the comments are starting to build
and build to be more and more specific yeah like what happened here and he uh told one friend after their breakup I'm
just gonna kill her wouldn't life be a lot of easier if she wasn't here just no she's not like go away also
you're [ __ ] 16 years old life is as easy as it's possibly gonna get you're gonna live the rest of your life
probably never have to see her again you could walk yourself down to the principal's office and say hey I don't
really want to be in classes with her anymore and they'll probably rearrange your whole [ __ ] schedule exactly and
even if they don't deal set at a different [ __ ] table like you're 15 because I broke up with her remove
yourself from the situation I don't really think she wants to be around you at this point exactly
well I just said exactly like you I've been finding myself doing that I love it I think you've like rubbed off on me we
love a little TV I just realized that I did I was like good job pronounce that tea mom would be so proud she would we
love pronouncing things no Josh's friends like we were just saying thought the comments and the threats were just a
joke but like I was kind of alluding to earlier as time went by they started getting more and more detailed more and
more specific and more intense he was talking about how he could poison Becca with deadly plants and nightshades or
quote push her over a quarry into a river what the [ __ ] are you like the mad scientist from A Nightmare Before
Christmas like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you where the [ __ ] are you gonna get Nightshade Nightshade and the reason
he wanted to push her into a river is because she couldn't swim and he knew that oh my God how [ __ ] is that guys
call someone now one friend would later tell the court it was no secret that he hated Rebecca for quite a long time
after their relationship finished but it's so confusing because you broke up with her like I don't like understand
that's what a breakup is right you don't like each other anymore so you break up
and you and then you move on and it sounds like didn't he start dating someone else like if I was that girl I'd
be like um can you not obsessively talk about killing your ex-girlfriend yeah I'd be like where was your brain
girlfriend Jesus now it seems like despite his Charming personality with adults Becca
had seen Josh's darker side probably more times than she ended up admitting to her mom most likely out of
uncomfortability if that's a word or being scared yeah now during the investigation into her murder detectives
with help from Sonia actually found several pieces of evidence indicating that Josh was actually abusive toward
Becca [ __ ] that guy there were countless pages of threatening and abusive MSN chats do you remember oh my God Emerson
Chef they used to chat over that and like he was awful to her and actually there was one incident where he used
colored hairspray to write Becca is a slag on her bedroom wall what the [ __ ] do you faced her parents
property and in her room wrote Becca is a slag I cannot imagine having to deal with this [ __ ] as Becca
but I can't imagine having to deal with this [ __ ] as the parents no because there's what a helpless feeling and I
don't know if Sonia realized that like that had happened when it did until after that she found out that's the
thing it's like I can't even imagine knowing that later right oh it's awful now even adults obviously struggle to
keep it friendly and amicable after a breakup so the fact that there was some animosity and heartbreak between Josh
and Brett and Becca who were two teenagers it's understandable or would have been but this situation is
completely different his hatred of Becca was just like very overblown very unusual again especially considering the
fact that he was the one to end it yeah like move on and Sonia thinks this anger
all stems from Josh's ego because once he got what he wanted from Becca and she started setting boundaries around things
like sex Josh ended the relationship yep intending to hurt Becca yeah and he did
hurt her but not for very long I think he thought thought like this was just going to be the end-all be-all for her
oh yeah but when her heartbreak started to wear off she proved herself to be way
more resilient than Josh had ever expected of course she completely bounced back Yelp she was doing
incredible in school so much show actually that she was doing better than him and I think that miffed his ego yup
if he had intended their breakup as another way to control Becca his plan was backfiring and that's what pissed
him off he failed and it was backfiring in a very public way so I think he felt embarrassed oh my god get over your
[ __ ] ego seriously Jesus Christ if you look up a picture of him oh I did Eagle ego ego ego yeah it's oozing out
of his pores so by the end of the school year Becca had actually already started dating
another boy another Josh actually but this is Josh Humphries better Josh better Josh the new relationship really
seemed to piss Josh Davies off because she had moved on and when it came and I think he was really specifically angry
about Becca Becca's family welcoming this new Josh in and he would constantly ask her if her mom liked this new Josh
as much as she had as much as she had liked him it's like are you all right exactly bro it's also like you could
still be a part of this family like but you suck it was like he felt some kind of ownership not only over Becca but her
family yeah it's all ego he felt like he deserved their love so weird and he would say things to her
like I bet she prefers me to be your boyfriend probably not like no I don't think so I'm gonna say that's a no and
Becca would be like no I think actually she does like new Josh she's a big fan of him you know what Josh doesn't do
joke about being in part part of the KKK yeah that's one of his most yeah uh wonderful quality pretty shining quality
to me but when she would tell him like yeah my mom actually does love him and so does my brother and everybody else he
would like storm off away from her in anger and like make a spectacle what a child well literally what a literal
toddler so Sonia thinks again that it wasn't only just the ego but that it was Becca's resilience too that made Josh
Davey so yourself yep he hoped that this was going to devastate her but just a month or so after he'd broken up with
her Sonia said she was doing better than him in school she was popular and had a
boyfriend and perhaps most of all she was always her own person go Becca I know now while she may have been
resilient and independent unfortunately she wasn't entirely free from Josh's influence and control over her it's hard
especially at that age when you're 15. this girl's 15 years old like I remember being there and dating awful people not
as awful as this luckily but you're you're in a cloud and like in a hands and you don't just don't know any better
you'll believe a lot of things exactly and especially as a romantic you will yeah she's a romantic and so it's like
you just have that exactly now just a few months after she had started dating new Josh she actually ended the
relationship because old Josh started hinting that he wanted to get back together if she would like get rid of
her current boyfriend so she did because remember she knows old Josh and yeah whatever piece of her still loved him
loved him yeah I guess like that he showed you the good parts and that's what you hang on to and I think because
she was a romantic and this is just an inference because like speaking from experience I wonder if she had the like
I can fix him mentality oh I wonder too yeah like my mom really did like him so like there must be some good piece of
him and there was all these good times and like I'm good so I can show him how to be good I think it was that yeah so
when their relationship ended toward the end of summer Becca stayed friends with
Josh Humphries luckily but she was still holding out hope that she and Josh Davies would get back together now bad
Josh was still privately quote unquote joking with his friends that he could kill Becca and get away with it friends
you gotta speak up these friends are pieces I was gonna say this is on your [ __ ] too yeah so by that fall even his
friends had joined in oh [ __ ] all you they were they would say later that they thought it was all a
joke but he could joke you [ __ ] louder for the people in the back joking about murder simply is not funny yeah if
you got friends that are joking about specifically murdering one person you gotta move on
get out of there and call someone let people know that's not just gonna go away you know especially as like a
teenager yeah if you're a young kid that's not normal behavior no and you don't just like stop joking about murder
no it's never again escalate like I never had any friends who legit who joked about killing someone it never had
never don't let it happen no so back to the morning of October 22nd Becca woke up early on that morning and
she told her mom she was just too excited to stay to sleep because she had plans to meet up with Josh that
afternoon and he was still hinting heavily that he wanted to get back together she actually went out shopping with her
Aunt Linda the day before and bought a new outfit for the date she bought a red jacket and brown ankle boots that
destroys my heart and she just hoped that that would impress Josh and that they could start things up again she
spent most of the morning just anxiously killing time at one point Sonia drew a bath for her to try to get her like you
know like excited she was like okay like let's have like a fancy bath and you know like we'll really do this see
that's so sweet yeah she was just killing time until she was supposed to meet Josh in the woods just outside of
uh ever config now as the morning went on Becca was starting to get more and more concerned because she hadn't heard
from Josh about these plans they had made these plans earlier this week or earlier that week excuse me that he was
going to text her when he was ready but by that afternoon she still hadn't heard
from him so Becca tried to reassure her and she said you know what boys are like
he's probably still in bed yeah now when Josh finally did text it was around 1pm
and Becca immediately called her aunt Linda who was going to be driving her to the park and she was like it's time to
go and she was so excited when Linda arrived she grabbed her handbag Becca did and rushed out the
door but just as she was about to head out she looked at her mom and like I said she said Bye Mom I love you oh
that's the part that just ruins my heart out it ruins you I mean thank goodness she said that but like seriously no one
should ever look at their kid for the last time never you know like it's just that like walking out the door
no that's just awful so when Sonia heard about the plans that Becca had made with
Josh that afternoon she was immediately suspicious and uneasy about it because she knew how badly the breakup had
affected Becca and again she had learned some of those manipulative and abusive things that he had said and done both
before and after the relationship yeah but Becca had been working on her mom and trying to convince her that things
were better she said things had changed and she said he's okay now he's back to the old Josh again oh we've all done
that we totally have and you just want your mom to like you're like come on like I know like it's always that
classic I know him he's different when he's just with me you know like it's always I've said those words before of
course you know like I remember so many people have yeah I remember trying to convince my parents that like like bad
John was was like that no no you don't understand he's so sweet like he's no he's like he's so good to me he does the
and it's like you know in your heart that it's not the truth but you want it to be the truth and a Mama Knows and a
mama always knows and Sonia knew but at the same time I think she I just think she was like a really good mom and I
think she wanted to to tell Becca like you know I'm really cautious about this but I want you to be happy that's the
impression that I get exactly and you also want your kid to experience and learn from situations instead of just
directing them what to do right and it's like you would never think something like this would happen whatever is about
to happen and it's like you think okay there might be some heartbreak out of this I am predicting it but I I will
just be here for her I can only give her so much to go out there with but if she
is dead set on trying this again I will just be here to pick up the pieces and it's like that's all you can do right
and they have and then hopefully they learn from that and they take it into the next relationship or whatever
exactly and so I think she was doing all the right things in my opinion that's really all you can do as a parent I like
that must be a really hard position to be in and I think it was because everything in her was telling her like I
don't know about this guy but nothing inside of her was telling her like I think Becca could get physically hurt no
emotionally absolutely physically physically no no you never would believe that no but the suspicions that things
weren't going to really go well crept back up when Becca called her mom about an hour after she had been dropped off
at the park to say that she still hadn't heard from Josh so he texted her at one
and said I'm ready like let's go meet she got dropped off at the park and again I don't think I'm pretty sure
Sonia didn't realize that they were going to go off into the woods because she had told Becca like don't go into
the woods she thought this was the park and now she's been waiting at that park for an hour and hasn't heard anything
so Sony's like what the [ __ ] she's worried and she doesn't want Becca hanging around a random Park all
afternoon by herself so she's getting more and more frustrated she's like this is getting
ridiculous he's giving you all these elaborate directions of where to go and what time I'd like to know he's not even
showing up she was like it was like it was some kind of mission between two secret spies like it was ridiculous no
on his end now Becca was like no Mom it's okay like I'm safe there's actually a police woman
walking right behind me like I'm okay and so they chatted for a bit because I think Sonia was like well stay on the
phone with me a little bit like yeah I'm nervous and as they were on the phone Becca finally spotted Josh walking down
the street in her Direction so she was like oh I see him like we're good and I'll talk to you later but and Sonia's
like okay like be careful I love you now what happened next is not entirely clear Josh Davies would eventually admit
to killing Becca he did kill her good but the confession actually came well after a trial was over and uh his
confession was rather light on the specifics so because of that the details of Becca's murder would end up being
kind of cobbled together from the forensic evidence and testimony of his friends from what the investigators
pieced together Josh and Becca had walked to his house actually and spent a little bit of time there and while they
were there this breaks my [ __ ] heart because I picture like us doing this Becca gave her sister a call to give her
an update and like said like it's going well like this is what we're doing oh my
God this kills me it's just so pure it is like she's just this is this is everybody just like a typical like
teenage girl so excited about like rekindling a relationship and calling your sister like your best friend be
like it's all it's all like it's all happening you know yeah like oh it kills me it's awful so at some point they left
Josh's house for the woods nearby and they made their way to an isolated area in the trees and this probably kills her
mom too because her mom was so specific about do not go in those woods exactly 15 year olds get a 15 year old of course
and nothing would have ever gone through Becca's mind like I shouldn't go into the woods because he's gonna kill me she
would have never walked into those woods if she had any inkling that he was going
to do something she probably was just like oh this is like a fun romantic little Rendezvous exactly yeah
it's like you know that's what she was thinking in her head yeah like oh my God we're going to the woods with boys uh no
I didn't actually like I would have like little meetups and like there was this really but I can get it like I could get
one yeah and like why it's exciting like I've had that experience and you're so excited yeah of course but
they'd either been talking or potentially arguing we don't know because again their relationship did get
contentious at points and Becca turned away from Josh for a moment during this with her back turned to him he grabbed
her around the throat suddenly out of nowhere and actually was attempting to break her neck but he didn't know how to
and she started screaming obviously and he was afraid that her screams were going to draw attention he said so he
grabbed a rock that was quote unquote the size of a rugby ball what the [ __ ] and while Becca was still facing away
from him he hit her on the back of the head with that rock my God so she fell to the ground and started screaming
because probably most likely her skull was fractured at that point and he just kept hitting her and hitting her while
she's down on the ground like face down well what a big tough guy exactly and he would later tell his friends and
this is very graphic that the worst part of all of it was quote seeing Becca's skull giveaway
oh my God this was brutal brutal on a level that I can't believe he's a 16 year old boy that's what he's really
getting this is a 16 year old that that did this to a girl he claimed to love oh
he hit her a total of six times which caused obviously significant head trauma and breed damage that would ultimately
be the cause of death and after the sixth strike he realized that The Rock was covered in blood and
hair so he tossed it into some nearby bushes wow you're so callous awesome so callous
you're disgusting and he also told friends that there was blood on Becca's face so he flipped her over to lay face
down at one point so that quote nobody would see it what you're leaving her in the middle of
the woods somebody's going to see her like if somebody finds her they're going to examine her body you idiot it's like
no I think you flipped her over because you're a piece of [ __ ] and probably couldn't look at what you just did you
had to look her in the face exactly [ __ ] then he left her and just went back to his aunt's house just left her
in the middle of the woods and he started working on an alibi for himself immediately you're a piece of [ __ ]
immediately he changed his Facebook status to say that he was chilling out with friends
and they just watched Strictly Come Dancing on TV and then he sent a bunch of texts to
Becca's phone saying that people were starting to worry about her and then she better God better get into contact with
someone to let them know where she was gaslighting her even in death my God even in death that is so much like
thought and so much like wow and it proves that you weren't you like you can't go on later and say that you were
had gone quote unquote insane in that moment yeah you can't like you don't have an insanity defense you took very
serious and very intentful steps to cover this up and make it look like you didn't do it because you knew that you
had just murdered someone in Cold Blood and it wasn't even just like he flipped in the moment kind of thing he had been
talking about killing her for weeks of course and we'll find out there are entire text chains that will support
that when we get time to talk to a jury who are these people that are texting with him about this pieces of [ __ ] like
come on everybody Jesus of [ __ ] it always bums me out when you hear that like a whole group of people are like
this it's like yeah what the [ __ ] where did you find each other yeah so as that
afternoon started turning over into the evening Linda who was the aunt of Becca and Sonia's sister so Linda calls Sonia
and she's like I haven't heard from Becca about where she wants to be picked up and I'm starting I just have this gut
feeling like Linda just felt like something was off yeah this family's close and she actually told Sonia she
isn't coming home tonight oh she just knew it I'd actually just I've read that yeah that just gave me full chills and I
still just got them and Linda couldn't put into words why she felt that way it was just something she knew that's so
scary and Sonya was like of course she's coming home tonight like she's gonna be
home later she probably just got held up somewhere because I think in her mind she was like I can't go there right of
course not and then she remembered that Becca had mentioned something about Josh's mom driving her home if it had
gotten too late like into their hangout but still Linda couldn't shake the feeling
the first indication that something definitely wasn't right came later that night when Sonya again or excuse me
Linda again called Sonia to tell her that she had actually talked to Josh's dad Linda had hmm and the dad told her
that he hadn't seen his son or Becca at all that day oh so by that evening Panic
really was starting to stop yeah every call to Becca was going unanswered and that was very unsettling because before
Becca had left the house earlier that day Sonia had actually given Becca her cell phone to use because remember this
is 2010. oh Becca's cell phone had run out of minutes oh but Sonia didn't want her without a cell phone so she was like
take mine good Mama now since Sonia didn't have her own phone she had to borrow a phone from her brother and it
was running out of battery and it wasn't like you could just throw it on a charger and it was like good to go yeah
those were the days when like you had to throw it on a charger and like let it sit oh yeah so that made her totally
reliant on information from others and a especially so because she was afraid to
leave the house in case Becca came today she showed up yeah right so Sonia ended
up calling the police at 7 15 pm to report her daughter missing and the search for Becca officially began this
is horrifying it is now as the night unfolded friends and family they searched for Becca
everywhere they could think of looking anywhere she could possibly be Linda and Becca's little sister Jess went to Josh
Humphrey's house that the news good Josh but nobody was home so from there they went to sarn where
Becca was supposed to meet with Josh Davies that afternoon like the park um no all that was going on Sonia was
able to charge the phone from her brother and she was just calling Becca and Josh's numbers over and over and
over desperate to get an answer but getting nothing so Josh is just seeing millions of phone calls from this girl's
mother yep an ignoring level yep totally um and she also tried to get into contact with good Josh but each time she
would say who was calling he would hang up on her and eventually stop answering calls there's an answer for that later
because I was like Josh I know I was too good Josh why am I calling you that don't get mad at him okay don't get mad
okay there was a reason um now Sonia was finally able to reach Josh Davies at his grandmother's house
it's kind of confusing because he like he's at his house at one point he's at his aunt's house he's at his grandma's I
don't know if they all were like on the same street or what but finally she was able to get in contact
with him at nine o'clock that night my God her Panic so Becca had left the house around one she's been gone for
like eight hours at this point and he told Sonia that he actually wasn't able to meet up with Becca that afternoon and
so um maybe she had gone to kill some time with Joshua the good Josh Josh Humphrey Josh Humphries
now for a minute Sonia was like I guess that makes sense and she's in a state where she's desperate to find her
daughter safe and that's a reasonable answer so she's like okay like in her head kind of trying to figure it out but
then she remembered that earlier when she was talking to Becca on the phone she had said that she saw Josh coming
down the street so she said are you telling me you weren't standing in front of her while she was on the phone to me
and he paused and then said no wow liar so Sonia asked again like so did you see Becca today giving him
another opportunity come clean here and he just repeated the story that he had already told he hadn't seen Becca and as
far as he knew she was with Humphreys your pants are on [ __ ] fire God I wish so the police finally arrived at Sonia's
house around 9 30 and they ran the usual battery of questions did she have any reason to run away did she have any
reason or history of doing something like this and so on and so forth yeah it's like yeah let's just paint her to
be somebody who just runs away yeah things get tough like when it's like the answer is no no move on and so at first
of course the officers kind of suspected that Becca had gone to a party and drank
too much so now she was waiting to sober up before coming home not wanting to get
into trouble yeah seems legit and Sonia was like no Becca doesn't drink probably
not Becca doesn't drink she said actually Becca did drink over the summer this past summer and she had a really
bad experience she actually ended up blacking out and she [ __ ] hated it and she never wanted to drink again yeah
so no that's not like no but the police they still insisted that this was the most logical explanation
and they were going to go around and check the usual's party spots so they wasted time after her mom told her
she's not at a party and they were like okay we're gonna go check we're gonna go
check some parties which like I get to an extent I know you have to rule it out but it's like do you have to spread all
your resources well that's I was gonna say you want to check party spots by all means send a couple offers for sure but
you got to split up your resources and start checking other places too you can't narrow it down right now exactly
especially when you're being told that that's probably not where it is yeah now the rest of the night was just a flurry
of phone calls late night drives around town just desperate desperately searching for her literal horror no
results so at 7am the next morning Sonia called the police again but they had no
update for her now when she called again an hour later at 8am she was told that the officer handling this specific case
had been called away quote on a rapid response oh no so she knew as soon as she heard rapid response she was like I
know it was harrowing her heart sank into her stomach and she was like this emergency absolutely has something to do
with Becca's disappeared and unfortunately she was right earlier that morning officers were
searching near the park where Becca was last seen and they found her she was obviously as we know lying face down in
that isolated area of the woods they'd spent all morning following up on leads they'd gathered throughout the night and
they spoke to Joshua Humphries who told them he had been at a club the night before so when Sonia called from an
unknown number he kept hanging up because he couldn't hear her over the music oh and he thought it was somebody
who had the wrong number oh which okay that makes sense I'm not gonna yell at you Josh exactly maybe just say also
like why were you at a club I think he might have been a little older and also you go home I think you can go to clubs
a little bit yeah I think it's like it probably means something a little different than what I'm thinking of yeah
also um they used to have like teen nights at Club yeah CBT to when my cell phone got
stolen at one yep good times anyways he couldn't hear her so that's why he was hanging up now they then explained to
Sonia that they had found Becca's body through information from actually one of Josh Davy Davy's friends Liam Thomas
Liam told his mom that he knew Josh had done something to Becca so Liam's dad immediately called the police to report
the information and after hearing a little for more from Liam they were able to locate Becca's body
now I'm glad that Liam finally uh said something took a long time yeah it's a little too late oh it's I would say
yeah yeah and also it's like very interesting that you were able to send them right to where she was oh we know
why the detectives also told Sonia that they had arrested two boys that they believed were responsible not Liam
Joshua Davies and Daniel ninis I you can just imagine that if I was Sonia I'd be
like just put me in a room with him just put me in a room with him and she's sitting there in complete
disbelief that a boy she had welcomed into her home that had played with her younger sit like played with her
youngest children who she treated like she would treat her own son yep could be responsible for this and she actually
assumed that Daniel ninis was the one who was truly responsible yeah because why would you ever think it's the boy
that you knew right and ninis actually hated Becca because Becca had turned him down on a date a year previous oh my God
the fragility of these [ __ ] boys right the fragility my God so Sonia's assumption was reasonable but the
detective actually corrected her when she was like it must have been Daniel he he was like no it's Josh who's too
who's actually responsible and the detective Chief Inspector John I believe it's pen Hill told Sonia I've not seen
anything like it oh so Liam had been the one to also bring up Daniel to the police and now both Daniel and Josh like
I said had been arrested and of course they were sitting in separate rooms blaming each other of course so it was
going to take some digging and pressing to get the truth out of them but now let's get into the dynamic
between the three friends and what happened the day of the murder before it happened that morning Josh actually
wasn't in bed he had met up with those two friends or excuse me he had met up with Liam Thomas at Cafe 107 in downtown
uh aberkin fig they usually met on Saturday mornings for breakfast so they waited about a half hour for Daniel who
was supposed to meet them but he didn't show up so they walked to I believe Josh's house
no during their walk that was when Becca started texting Josh about the plans so later on they ended up meeting with
Daniel and Josh told his two friends his plan to meet Becca that afternoon in the
forest and said I'm finally gonna go through with my plan um guys call someone no Elena they said that
they thought he was joking thank God I can't and they said actually they thought he was joking and informed
investigators actually that they joined in themselves and suggested various ways
for Josh to kill and dispose of Becca what is wrong with these little [ __ ] like just typical breakfast Behavior
yeah the [ __ ] I guess by this point everybody knew about Josh's hatred of Becca and killing her was just a regular
topic of their conversation so [ __ ] up because a few weeks later excuse me a few weeks earlier when the three of them
had met up at that Breakfast Cafe the subject had come up and when they all parted ways after breakfast Josh texted
Liam who I don't like and said what would you do if I actually did kill her and he responded Liam said oh I would
buy you a breakfast I would buy you a breakfast if you murdered a human being wow so like round
them all up cool that you told your daddy and your mommy that you were so scared yeah and that Josh had done
something you knew that he was gonna do something yeah the entire time and you lulled and said you were gonna buy him
breakfast yeah these are disgusting little [ __ ] so go [ __ ] yourself Liam truly now around one o'clock that
afternoon Josh headed out as we know to meet Becca and before walking off he solidified what he was gonna go do and
said to his friends the time has come straight up implying that he was about to go head off and kill his
ex-girlfriend and not one of them said [ __ ] to their parents yeah no I'm I'm not impressed not impressed by these
kids it's like sure maybe he was joking the first 99 million times but if your friend is walking away from you implying
that they're heading off to go murder someone call someone yeah and then reevaluate your friendship that's the
thing I'm like what are you doing so about an hour and a half had gone by and Liam decided to text Josh to find out
what was going on it's like were you excited like yeah like did you do it so his text went
unanswered because as we know that was going on so Josh's silence prompted both boys to actually leave Daniel's house
and walk down to the park where Josh said he was going to meet back up which to me says they were starting to
worry that he was going to do something absolutely they were going down to see if it was happening but after finding
nobody there they moved or they returned to Daniel's house and a short time later
they ended up calling Josh and he actually answered and they were like are you still with Becca and his answer was
Define with I want to wail on this kid like I can I would vlogging I would get on a plane to Wales
just to like throw a cup of piss in his face just a spit in his eye literally my
God so he said define with and then he asked both boys to come back to the area to meet him which they did and they got
there just after 2 30. so this all happened very quickly yeah so standing at the entrance to the forest Liam
called Josh again and when he answered Josh demanded to speak with Daniel and he said Daniel needed to come meet him
in that remote part of the woods the only reason that Liam didn't go with him is because he was on crutches because of
a rugby injury so off Daniel went into the forest mark my [ __ ] words if that boy hadn't been on crutches his
ass would have been following like the little piece of [ __ ] follower he was like the little lamb that he is
So Daniel returned a little bit later and told Liam that he had seen Becca's body lying face down on the ground and
said that Josh didn't seem fazed or upset by any of it my God and then they all went back to Daniel's
house to hang oh okay he had just taken a human life and showed you showed you it and now you're all just gonna
grow out this afternoon disgusting what the [ __ ] dude truly disgusting so at the house Josh told them everything
that happened I don't know if Daniel was like overwhelmed or couldn't accept it or if
he's a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] I think the latter but he didn't seem at all emotional Liam said now Liam was
starting to freak the [ __ ] out as you should he couldn't tell whether Daniel and Josh were telling the truth but at
the same time nothing about what they were saying felt right to him so he called his mom and asked him asked her
to pick him up as soon as possible and before he left Josh made Liam delete all the text messages between them and told
both of his friends if anybody asked to say that they had all been together all afternoon my God this kid is diabolical
and also sweetie pie sugar buns text messages don't go anywhere exactly if they want those they're gonna get those
honey so when he was arrested Josh Davies told the police oh it was all Daniel oh yeah he murdered Becca I had
nothing to do with it no of course not he said he had only told Daniel that he killed Becca in order to prank him
because LOL and then when Daniel arrived at the scene and discovered that Becca was in back to not dead he went into a
rage and grabbed a rock from the ground and murdered her in Anger yeah that's likely what seems like a legit scenario
uh didn't take long for investigators to determine that uh that was a lie yeah and Daniel ninis was actually released
into his parents custody 36 hours after he was arrested he shouldn't be no and I
think Liam should have been arrested in that opinion you're at accessory I agree
you were there so the news about Becca's murder and the arrest of the two local boys was reported a few days later to
the absolute shock and horror of this small community horrifying the area actually had recently seen a large
uptick in the number of murders that year and at that point it was second on the list
um to the Village of pontrepid I believe as the Wales murder capital oh my God so
they were like what the [ __ ] is going on around here and then the details in Becca's case they seemed worse than any
of anything else that had gone on that year and it would only get worse when more details would come out in trial oh
God now because Josh was a miner at the time of this the police actually couldn't release his name to the public
so nobody knew who this was but they were able to release his age which again came as a major shock to this community
he was I I think I may have accidentally said earlier that he was 16 he was 15. oh my God 15. that's horrifying like
it's one thing for a teenager to be murdered by an adult but like that's horrific and terrifying and scary but
for a teenager to brutally kill another teenager for quite literally zero [ __ ] reasons no reason that Community
was raw yes they were terrified and they were like of course is this the start of
some kind of social shift though yeah no one wants to go through [ __ ] so Josh actually pleaded not guilty to Becca's
murder oh okay even though there was a ton of evidence against him and interviews to the contrary but he
continued to insist that it was Daniel who had killed Becca and since his arrest he had been housed at I believe
it's Vinnie Greene um it's on the outskirts of Bristol and it's for young offenders who have
committed like really serious crimes okay so like an intense Juve yeah now the authorities were actually so nervous
that the inmates might want to take revenge like the local inmates who would maybe would have known Becca or even
still just like knew where she was from yeah they were scared that they were going to want to like retaliate and so
they couldn't tell anybody that Josh was in there for the murder of a local girl
so instead they said that he was being held on possession of GHB I was like yeah let's not do that like
let's not protect him I I agree but at the same time I'm like protect him during the trial so that the family can
get the thing and then feed him to the [ __ ] world but then but then you you deal with the consequences of your
actions exactly and I think that's kind of what this was it was like let's get control no it makes sense because it's
just like initial reaction you're like no don't hide what he did oh that's my initial reason but you are absolutely
correct so he was mostly kept away from the other inmates to avoid any issue before trial now after eight months of
negotiations plannings pre-trial hearings it all took forever Josh Davies trial finally began at the crown excuse
me the Crown Court of Swansea on June 22nd 2011 and it was expected to last around five weeks so the prosecutor was
Greg Taylor and in his opening statement he told the jury all about the breakup how Josh had bragged about wanting to
kill Becca for a while now he continued to place the blame for her murder on his best friend and he said to
the jury quote there's no doubt Rebecca was murdered she was hit a number of times to the head with a rock and a
forest in aberkin fig it was raining she was left for she was left for dead on the forest floor in New Clothes bought
for her the day before the prosecution says this boy is sitting on the bench before you committed the murder
and then he went on to tell the jury in full detail about all the abuse that Becca had suffered from Josh in the
months after their breakup and during their relationship [ __ ] this kid he and he included when he was telling to the
jury that Josh had told a friend I want to make her life hell and you won't convince me otherwise
what the [ __ ] was wrong with him so many things oh now to close out his opening statement
Taylor drove home just how kallus and Cole Josh was by telling the jury about the breakfast bet between the
friends that's truly incredible and then told them about the group chat that the
three of them shared where they went back and forth with ideas on how to kill Becca you know jokingly that's why these
other two should be in trouble I agree too what are you doing and something and I'm worried about you two if you were
talking about that and I don't understand why they couldn't have been got on um conspiracy to Commitment yeah
that's exactly what they were planning it exactly it's so messy you want to pretend it was a joke it's not she was
murdered so now you're in trouble and you should be yeah so that's really frustrating to me that they were
infuriating the first two witnesses called on the first day of trial Rebecca's friends and they were able to
give even more details about the abuse and the constant talk of killing Becca one of the friends actually who was
testifying had even been in a fight with Josh over how he was treating Becca but
things were getting so contentious that Becca actually texted him thanking him for standing up for her but saying not
to because it was basically implying it would just make things worse yeah now the third witness called that day was
Becca's mom Sonia among other things she told the jury about her daughter's relationship with Josh the way he had
been welcomed into her family and she's told the jury how she had been and she said she was very cross with him in that
past year for how he was treating Becca after the breakup and she told them how she was anxious that fall when Becca
started bringing up the idea of getting back together with him and finally she told the jury all about
the morning that Becca had spent getting ready so excitedly to meet Josh that kills me she said how she was so excited
she couldn't even sleep she told them about the bubble bath that she had prepared for Becca to get ready just
like a little girl time and how nervous Becca was but excited to start the relationship back up again that kills me
and I'm I it must have been [ __ ] gut-wrenching for her to go through that yeah but I'm so glad she got the
opportunity to paint that picture for the jury yeah like my little girl was so [ __ ] excited for this and this is
what he did to her oh that oh it's [ __ ] so when she finished answering the prosecutor's questions Sonia prepared
herself for the cross-examination by Josh's defense lawyer Peter Rauch since Josh had tried to place all the blame on
Daniel Sonia was expecting a ton of questions about Daniel and his relationship with Becca but he only had
one singular very bizarre question for Sonia just one oh he asked her could Becca swim
and when Sonia said no she couldn't he declared he had no further questions that's chilling how weird is that now
the question confused Sonia and it would actually be weeks until she learned it was asked because there was a supposed
plan that Josh Davies had developed with Daniel ninis to throw Becca into a Laker
Quarry which he thought would be easy because of her inability to swim that is my brain like won't even comprehend this
I don't really understand what the defense thought they were doing here like what was the rest of your line of
questioning because it's like was it bolstered when she said no she couldn't swim well I
think that's Pro like but what a risky because it's like that was a 50 50 shot if she says yes then maybe you can say
well then this wasn't him planning or death she can swim like this they were pranking her right but there's a 50 shot
she says no and then you've just outed the fact that he was definitely planning to kill her because she couldn't swim
well and I think that's why he had no line of further questions like why would you even give that a shot that is a
risky that's a bad lawyer bad lawyer bad lawyer now there was a ton of testimony
given in court but once they'd adjourned for the day all the Press could report on was the ridiculous joke about Josh
winning a free breakfast and that was actually the headline that I saw and I was like what the [ __ ] so I started
reading it's like what the [ __ ] now the headline of the times the next day read
youth murdered girl after promise of a free breakfast so dumb like sensationalizing this entire thing yeah
and also completely ignoring the detailed accounts of abuse and threats that led up to the murder yeah he didn't
just murder her for free breakfast they're exactly way more at play there but of course following lead countless
other news outlets honed in on the free breakfast just concentrated on that and this became the free breakfast case of
course it's like you're completely ignoring the themes of domestic violence and abuse here but cool can we please
talk about that now of course while it may have been blown out of proportion the comment about the free breakfast was
of significance to the prosecution's case because it shows how kallus and cold no it's definitely important for
sure but it's the fact that it wasn't sensationalized by the media is not cool and the fact that it's being like touted
as like this is why he did it it's like no it's even worse yeah that like there really there's really no reason like
that was just a joke but for the prosecution they were like we can use this because it shows intent
and premeditation that I understand I totally get about a little malice of forethought before you go so the jury
was actually shown two text message chains between the friends the first messages shown were sent the week before
and included that original comment about the breakfast and the second chain occurred the Thursday before the murder
and I'm gonna read it to you okay so Josh text Liam and says don't say anything but you may just owe me a
breakfast what the [ __ ] and Liam says best text I ever had made seriously if it is true I'm happy to pay for a
breakfast pick up Liam yeah everybody let's go pick up that little [ __ ] stain then Josh
said I hope by then it will be done and dusted Liam said I want all the details you sadistic bastard smiley face
Josh said large breakfast with extras of everything and Liam writes back sick sick boy
you I have no [ __ ] [ __ ] and you are just as [ __ ] guilty that that's like shocking that kid was just
out fine like free sick sick boy also you guys are being [ __ ] weird well I was just gonna say are you all right
yeah like like okay do you need a minute and then to act like you're this terrified little puppy dog who's just
scared that you're gonna get in trouble that you had to call Mommy to come get you go [ __ ] yourself like who you are
talking a big game to your friend the murderer and did you tell your mom that part yeah you're scared of yourself did
you tell your mom that you wanted every detail and you told him that with a winky smiley face and that you were the
one gonna get the free breakfast yeah did you let Mommy and Daddy know that did you let them know Liam you piece of
[ __ ] oh I'm like right in the face I'm so angry I can feel it gross so the next
day at trial Daniel ninis and Liam Thomas's statements were given in two parts first the jury saw video testimony
where both boys gave their accounts of what happened and then each boy was called to the stand to testify again to
what they had seen and heard on the day of the murder and I hope they were shaking in their [ __ ] boots yeah and
I hope everyone on that jury saw them for exactly what they were accessories to murder exactly there were slight
variations in their stories of course because they're two teenage boys and they're not going to see things the same
but they're pretty much the same and like many of the other teenagers who gave statements and testimony they both
said they never took Josh seriously Daniel told the prosecutor I thought it was a joke a sort of slag off sort of
thing oh God shut the [ __ ] up but he did admit to the jury and to the prosecutor
that in the weeks before the murder Josh's violent rhetoric got quote unquote a lot more weird and specific
but still everyone just thought he was angry I'm just talking [ __ ] but still we
decided let's not say anything yeah whatever yeah so after the testimony from ninis and Thomas two pieces of
human garbage and wet lettuce and everything awful in the world's like that junk that gets caught in your dish
um strainer when you're like in the sink and then it starts to smell bad absolutely that
um after that a forensic analysis provided the jury with an overview of the physical evidence collected at the
scene which included 12 fibers from Josh's jacket on the rock that had been used so you really want to sit there and
say it was Daniel good try not gonna lie Daniel's a piece of [ __ ] they're all pieces of [ __ ] but but varying levels of
pieces of [ __ ] exactly now the pathologist Dr Steven uh Ledbetter I believe it is provided a detailed
account of the injuries that Becca had sustained he told the court given the fragmentation of the skull there had
been blunt impact to the back of the head but the grazes bruising in splits to the face might not have been due to
direct impact but from the surface against which the face was lying against further impact from the back of the head
okay so basically what he was saying was like there was a lot of damage to the back of the head but then when we looked
at the front of her face there were scratches and bruises everywhere but that was because he was essentially
beating her into the ground from the like she was lying face down oh that's awful brutal absolutely brutal brutally
and his and his testimony stressed how brutal this was because not only had Josh tried to break Becca's neck he also
continued this assault on her after she was motionless on the ground this was Overkill
so closing arguments were given by the prosecution and the defense on July 21st and then the jury adjourned to
deliberate and they actually deliberated for nearly three days oh wow and they returned their verdict on Wednesday July
27th guilty as [ __ ] guilty guilty guilty so on September 2nd 2011 Josh headed back to Swansea for sentencing and the
judge in the case Justice Lloyd Jones read him to [ __ ] Phil good and showed just how disgusted he was with Josh's
complete lack of remorse for the murder he described him as devious calculating and controlling and added that he robbed
the L word and Oatley families of watching their quote precious and perfect girl flourish into a successful
young woman it's so true it is because she would have been like a a star in this world yeah like
she would have she would have gone on she had all the pieces and just and she would have added like so much kindness
yeah to wherever she was she just seemed it makes me so sick now when he finished with Josh he
sentenced him to life in prison with a minimum of 14 years which was the maximum penalty allowed for an underage
offender bye [ __ ] and when the trial concluded Sonia was able to make a statement to the Press where she called
for the return of the death penalty oh damn and told them she hoped Josh would never see the outside of prison again
she said I can't blame her I don't blame her at all I would have said the exact same thing yeah she said we will never
forgive him for tearing our world apart so brutally and I would welcome the return of capital punishment for the
likes of Joshua Davies who forfeited his human rights when he chose to take my daughter's life yeah and I don't blame
her one bit I still like my Goosebumps I don't blame her one bit nope I would have said that's the exact same thing
that's her baby and that's that's like her first baby that is your baby girl you have a right to say whatever the
hell you want to this piece of Filth like Becca made her a mom yeah and he took that away oh I can't he could never
take that away but then he took Becca took that baby away from her so at the end of the day Sonia was as happy as she
could be with the outcome of the trial and she she knew that the judge imposed the maximum sentence allowed so there
was that now overall just the fact that a teenager could be could be cruel to murder his
ex-girlfriend for what they thought was a free breakfast was totally Sensational
like I was saying and readers were shocked around the UK but I think it's so important to stress that it wasn't
about free breakfast Josh was controlling and he was abusive and he manipulated Becca during their
relationship and after it I think he hoped that dumping her would be devastating to her but it wasn't so this
was like a final dig when he didn't have any use for her because she didn't need
you and that's what upset him that's exactly him exactly what it was he was an abuser
and I think killing Becca was his final Act of controller absolutely now when the trial ended Sonia actually ended up
moving her family away from the area to start the grieving process and in 2014 she published by Mom I love you oh which
is a memoir about her experience with the justice system in the wake of Becca's murder oh my God destroy my
heart and I actually ended up using it a lot for research on this case and so did
Dave Dave and now in 2018 Josh Davies actually finally confessed to Becca's murder
interestingly enough he actually confessed in 2018 though oh but you had said he didn't get he was very vague or
he was very vague his reasons for murder still remain unclear piece of [ __ ] to
the end and Sonia believes that his confession was only made in preparation for an appeal yeah which I agree I
absolutely agree with that she told reporters he's only doing it for his own benefit not that he has any empathy for
this family it's cruel it is cruel now if that is the case like if he does try to go up for an appeal or probation
or anything like that Sonia and Becca's sister Jess are ready and waiting with their own Victim Impact statements and
they are hoping that that will keep Josh in jail for as long as humanly possible
hell yeah and I will get on a [ __ ] plane to Wales if they need me to and stand there next to them after hearing
this I'm like hell yes like keep that [ __ ] in jail is there a petition I don't I don't think anything has
happened yet like no kind of appeal Time songs if there's an appeal we're doing it get that [ __ ] going hell yeah because
that is a horrifying tale a horrifying horrifying tale it it reminds me of um the Slender Man stuff it does like that
yeah it's got that same Vibe it does but even kids it's just the kids stuff kids
hurting kids like always it's just awful it destroys me and it's like oh so what
yeah for what because you're a piece of [ __ ] and exactly how is your ego doing
now yeah how's it doing you're in prison how you doing in there and he thought he
was gonna get away with it yeah of course he did he thought he was diabolical he was like oh I got this I'm
cunning I can do it and then I'll just go get free breakfast yeah I'll get free breakfast and I'll blame it on my friend
and it will be fine I hope the every breakfast he has gives him food poisoning oh yeah for sure yeah [ __ ] you
diarrhea [ __ ] you [ __ ] you oh yeah guys horrifying that was the sad sad case of
Rebecca illward wow well thank you for sharing no prob um so yeah guys we hope you keep
listening and we hope you keep it weird I don't have to tell you not to keep it this weird and if I do oh my God call
someone everyone or someone to call someone for you call call yeah 9-1-1 what's your emergency this
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On the afternoon of October 22, 2010, fifteen-year-old Rebecca Aylward left her house in Maesteg, Wales. She had plans to meet her ex-boyfriend in a wooded area just outside of Aberkenfig, under the guise that they were reconciling. She told her mother, “Bye Mam, I love you,” as she grabbed her purse and walked out the door—it was the last time her mother would see Becca alive.

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Brief Summary

Hosts announce a new episode schedule, discuss Vanderpump Rules drama, and cover the tragic murder case of Rebecca Aylward.

Key points

Vanderpump Rules Drama. The hosts dive into the ongoing drama surrounding Vanderpump Rules and its characters.
Rebecca Aylward's Story. The tragic story of Rebecca Aylward begins as she plans to meet her ex-boyfriend.
Joshua's Charming Persona. Sonia recalls how Joshua was well-liked and polite before the tragedy.
Josh's Dark Side Emerges. Becca and her mom start noticing unsettling changes in Josh's behavior.
Becca's Resilience. Despite the breakup, Becca flourishes, angering Josh further.
Final Goodbye. Becca's last words to her mom before meeting Josh are heartbreaking.

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