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talk some true [Music] crime [Music] Ward Weaver thei his claims of being the number one suspect or at least being one
of the top suspects and The Disappearance of two young teenage girls might be right because at some point we
know the police in Oregon City began to intensify their focus on Ward Weaver well if they didn't at First Once you
make these claims on public TV maybe that gave them the inkling that they should make him the number one
suspect yeah and while they were searching into all of these suspects you know we mentioned that at one time they
said the suspect pool was as many as 30 suspects and then whittel down to 20 maybe 10 according to the
FBI there's a lot of stuff going on behind behind the scenes here you know especially regarding Ward Weaver III the
authorities collected his work records they were looking into his whereabouts on the two days in question they were
reviewing statements given by other people in the neighborhood right asking questions to those people regarding his
close ties to Ashley one of the missing girls and they even took search dogs out
two rural spots where Ward Weaver liked to camp now Weaver who has been divorced
twice by this point he has five children he was described by police as a violent
man with an explosive temper and we know that to be fact based off of his criminal past and according to County
Law Enforcement records police have been dispatched to Weaver's home 10 times since November of 2000 So within a span
of less than two years 10 times they were called out to Ward Weaver's home many of these calls were domestic in
nature yeah they weren't just going out there to give him like the citizen of the Year Award right right then in late
June of 200 and two two detectives even made a trip to Idaho to interview Rodney
Weaver remember this is his half brother MH now even though Rodney hadn't seen his brother in over a year police wanted
to speak with him he told the police he never met Ashley or Miranda the two potential victims but he did tell
investigators about the time that they went camping in rural Malala now that has come up in a in a case that we
covered before that that whole area there uh this is an area that was searched by kadaver dogs regarding the
investigation into Ward Weaver now moving down our timeline a bit unbeknownst to police Rodney Weaver
spoke with his brother via phone call this is around the first or second week of August 2002 now during these phone
calls Ward Weaver told his half brother he was sick of the police following him around town he was sick of them tapping
his phone lines and sick of the town that was calling him a suspect a ward Weaver III was almost finished packing
his things according to what he told his brother and he was planning to move out
of state possibly to Idaho Washington State or maybe even to Mexico then in a dramatic change of events on August 13th
2002 Ward Weaver's old oldest son Francis Weaver contacted 911 and reported that his father had attempted
to rape francis's 19-year-old girlfriend Francis urged the dispatcher to send police and before Francis hung up the
phone he told the dispatcher that his father Ward Weaver III told him he had murdered both Ashley and Miranda police
arrested Ward Weaver holding him on $1 million bond this was just for the rape allegations of his son's girlfriend
his son Francis was being questioned regarding his statement to the dispatcher regarding the missing girls
Francis like his father had his own troubles with the law in fact in 1999 Francis Weaver shot a rifle into a
truckload of teens injuring his best friend this was in Idaho north of Twin Falls he was charged with aggravated
assault a felony and served several weeks in a Juvenile Detention Facility all right so we have Francis which which
is the son of Ward Weaver III yes sir so he's shooting into he's shooting at Cars full of
people so he's a [ __ ] bag his father's a [ __ ] bag and we know Ward Weaver's the
third's father is a [ __ ] Junior so we have a very violent family we have generations
of of wildly Violent Men his family right so the the [ __ ] sandwich doesn't fall too far from the [ __ ] tree or
something like that well that sandwich would be like a club sandwich or a a Big Mac you know a sandwich where you have
three layers to it it'd be a Whopper is what you're saying a w a [ __ ] Whopper well the first thing that that drove me
crazy when I was looking into this case was the smell uh no these allegations by Francis
Weaver right because you're talking about this this is like months and months later after both these girls went
missing and he's saying to the 911 dispatcher hey my father told me that he abducted and killed those two girls but
when though because if it was months ago then you're just kind of proven that how
big of a piece of well and that's that's what I was wondering I'm like how long did Francis Weaver sit on this
information however it looks to me like Francis Weaver actually lived most of the time with his brother's uh with his
father's half brother right and it looks like he would come and stay from time to
time with his father so Francis Weaver may not have known this information until very shortly before calling 911 in
fact learning this information may have come about because of the attack on his girlfriend I couldn't find anything out
there to definitively State when Francis Weaver was claims that he heard this confession from his father that he had
killed those two girls right so right and then authorities could be just going you're making this up well but either
way that we know the allegations of his father trying to rape his girlfriend that's for reals yes and that's what
they're going to hold Ward Weaver III on on that rape allegation and you hit the
nail on the head there Captain because some of the investigators they believed Francis Weaver's claims heck most of
them thought Ward Weaver was their guy even before the new rape allegations but there were some that wondered if Francis
made up that part of the story you know of his dad having killed the girls because he was simply angry about the
attack on his girlfriend knowing that his father might have already been a suspect in those cases yeah and you
would be mad and should be mad the other thing was the exact uh under questioning
the exact details of that confession from father to son uh the way that Francis would tell the investigators
about that those details change from time to time in francis's story so that called it into question a little more
yeah but regardless uh Francis Weaver did maintain that his father confessed to him that he killed the girls well and
the tricky thing here though is the confession to him could have been very small as far as details go and then they
start asking you for more details and you don't know so therefore you start making those up you also have to wonder
was that actually some kind of threat that Ward Weaver posed to francis's girlfriend and that maybe Francis didn't
hear it directly from his father's mouth you know during the course of attacking
that that woman uh francis's girlfriend was that part of the threats that were made because we've covered
other cases where we have offenders when they are going after a victim and things
aren't going their way they will use anything as a threat well and you have again Ward Weaver III which is a a big
[ __ ] a Big Mac and then we have the Whopper of a [ __ ] Francis then you start wondering maybe
they both were involved possibly but again it's very likely Francis Weaver wasn't even in all right that's right
you know it doesn't seem to be that that was his main residence well I probably would have if I was the lead detective
on this that would have demoted me right there you would have got put back on hey
wait a minute we need you to answer the phones for a few months Captain didn't Nick just say he lived with his
brother's half brother you're on bicycle Patrol that's I give me horse Duty the the uh where we grew up Captain
I nobody has directly said this to me but I have to believe that bicycle Patrol was like some form of punishment
for for the off yeah for the police um anyway the the FBI what what does come of this is that the FBI and the local
authorities regardless of what level of suspect they believed Ward Weaver II third to be they finally were able to
obtain a warrant to search his property because of these new allegations right on August 24th FBI agents searched
Weaver's home and they found the remains of Miranda Gattis inside a box in a storage shed Jesus the
following day they found the remains of Ashley Pond inside a barrel which was buried under a slab of concrete that
Weaver had recently put down for a hot tub or so he claimed now one thing regarding that interview that we
referenced yesterday when he and when Ward Weaver III being a suspect living near the crime scene invites the camera
crew and invites uh a reporter into his home and walks her around his home as he
answers questions and speaks to uh being a suspect in the case of two missing girls there's one part of the interview
when he's leading them out they go out through like the back door of his home and they go around the side and I might
have this wrong because I I don't know the full layout of this property MH but at one point they walk over top of this
concrete slab that he had poured to cover up the remains of this poor girl great and some have wondered was that
another was that another shot at all the people looking at him as a suspect like
you know just kind of doing his thing and walking right over top of the concrete that he had poured well he is a
real arrogant son of a [ __ ] anyways he he's he's one of those people that not only does he think he's the smartest guy
in the room he thinks he's the smartest guy in any town he goes in Is What It Seems seems to me and so that would be
like you said a shot hey come in talk to me they they they say I'm the number one
guy and uh and then by the way let's walk over her remains MH while you leave so well and you know what if what his
half brother says is true Ward Weaver was packing up his things and getting ready to get out of town yeah you know
if he would have went to Mexico who knows I mean I'm sure they would have searched that property or
figured out a way to search that property at some point with him being gone but would they have been able to
catch up with him right so on October 2nd 2002 Ward weav or wait or catch up with him or catch him in time before he
did something else stupid yeah right right exactly on the 2nd of October Ward Weaver was indicted on charges of six
counts of aggravated murder two counts of abuse of a corpse in the second degree one count of sexual abuse in the
first degree and one count of attempted rape in the second degree one count of attempted aggravated murder one count of
attempted rape in the first degree and one count of sexual abuse in the first degree MH um to avoid the death penalty
Ward Weaver III pled guilty to murdering his daughter's friends right and he received two life sentences without the
possibility of parole for the deaths of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gattis yeah well
he's not going to do well in prison anyways strangely enough the same month that Ward Weaver III was indicted on the
murder and rape charges his son who turned him in Francis Weaver is accused of threatening um some relatives
apparently he called his aunt and two cousins and threatened their lives during a phone call okay so we got the
grandpa he's charged death sentences for the the grandfather death sentences then the
son the third he now has two life sentences now we have the the the grandson Francis yep and he is
threatening people in his family yeah well I mean he's already shot at a vehicle with people in it now
he's threatening his family so it's the third generation of of wild violence really I mean of these Violent Men mhm I
mean I'm just trying to keep up with these turds well then in 2005 Francis Weaver was charged with breaking into a
Southeast Portland home holding the resident's hostage and then robbing them he was acquitted though in court then
later that same year police and firefighters came across a puzzling scene finding Edward Kelly Spangler of
Grant's Pass lying outside his Hyundai SUV in Locust city park it was obvious that he had crashed the vehicle into a
tree but it wasn't until they examined him closely that they found he had suffered multiple
gunshot wounds Spangler age 43 was pronounced dead at the scene now working with the major crimes unit police then
traced spangler's path to a nearby apartment complex for which they obtained search warrants they soon
arrested 27-year-old Michael Orin who admitted that he shot Spangler twice in the head according to the court
documents now police also arrested Francis Weaver at the apartment complex oh Francis and initially charging him
with robbery meanwhile Orin reportedly told police where they could find another accomplice this is 32-year-old
Shannon beton Court a Portland Police Bureau search team served a search warrant at the home of beton court in
Portland where beton Court was arrested according to court documents police believe Weaver Orin and beton Court
stalked Spangler planning to steal 15 pounds of marijuana that Spangler had brought from Southern Oregon for a cash
exchange but the robbery didn't go smoothly and then they killed Spangler after a round of interviews authorities
filed a new charge against Francis Weaver for murder and then convicting him of such but they convicted him and
somebody else correct it was this this team of three that had planned to Rob this man and ultimately led to the
murder of Spangler regarding the deaths of Ashley and Miranda the two girls from the Ward
Weaver the third case we would get some updates and some clarity as to what happened in those specific cases it
would take some years for some of this to come to light but Miranda's sister Mariah she started communicating with
Ward Weaver III once he was in prison serving his two life sentences and she wanted some answers as to what happened
and he would tell her some of the things that that occurred that led up to their
murder now now it took about 3 years I'm sorry took about I think it was six or seven years after he was imprisoned that
he finally told Mariah that the reason that he killed Ashley was because he feared that he was going to eventually
face charges for the rape allegations right and there there not any details as to how the abduction took place I mean
it could have been as simple as he picked her up on the street on her way to the uh bus stop she could have showed
up after the bus actually took off or before the other kids and he could have got her there as well but we do know
that he admitted to having a motive let's say for killing this young girl the other thing though too is Mariah
wanted to know well why did you kill my sister Miranda and what Ward Weaver told her
was that Miranda was near his home and saw him doing something and I'm I'm confused as to what it was that he was
doing his statement is simply that he was doing something and I don't know if Mariah cleaned this up for the papers or
if he didn't directly tell her what that something was but he simply says he was
in the middle of something he was doing something Miranda saw him and he got scared and he
panicked unfortunately he used basically the love the friendship between the two girls to lure her into
his home mhm he basically told Miranda that Ashley is inside his house that Ashley wants to come home keep in mind
she was missing for two months by this point M that Ashley wants to come home but she's scared and this is what got
Miranda to go over to his house and go into his home that eventually led to the murder well she could have saw him dig
in a hole put the concrete down moving the body I think that's probably likely what was going on because like I said
when I saw portions of that interview with Ward Weaver M the the placement of that concrete when he walked over the
concrete with the reporter it looked to me like that was on the side of his home
M and if somebody was coming up the hill approaching the bus stop they would have
very likely seen him doing something on the side of that house right and he may have S he may have thought that she saw
something that she in fact did not see right and then he then he you know tricks her into coming into the house or
he's a lying piece of [ __ ] and he didn't he didn't kill Ashley to stop the rape
charges he killed her so he could rape her again and then he decided to rape another girl and kill her as well well
let's think about this for a minute because you have about 6 months or so that go that go by but between the time
that these allegations come forward about the the rape or molestation mhm before she's abducted and killed six
months so what he he just sat there scared for six months and did nothing about it and all of a sudden one day
decided to take action yeah it doesn't make any sense see here here's here's the issue here
okay and we see this time and time again with a lot of serial killers and that's
what we need to go ahead and label Ward Weaver II third as we know he killed two
he very likely was going to kill Francis Weaver's girlfriend during that attack yeah something stopped that something
prevented that from happening but what we have here is excuses and we see this time and time
again there's an excuse for the murder when really that the the simple fact of it you're making this up you're making
this up because there were there were reasons that you attacked and killed killed these young girls and none of it
has to do with the excuses that you've brought up and that you've told to her sister right I I killed Ashley to cover
up the rape allegations but I waited over six months and then doesn't doesn't make a lot of logical sense and then
Miranda saw me in the middle of something M and I got scared and I panicked jerking off on the porch but it
it's in in a way it's almost like victim blaming like blaming your eventual murder VI victims that oh I had I had to
do this because of this yeah she she was going to charge me with rape charges I had to kill her and then her friend saw
me you know stroking it's not that I'm just it's not that I'm just an evil child killer or an evil woman killer
it's it's I had to do it because of this and I don't buy it for a second I don't
buy it for a second it might have saved him um some grief or whatever when he had to talk to uh her sister so many
years later and you know what kudos to Mariah right kudos to her for going and saying and demanding answers from this
scumbag look me in the face look me in the eye and tell me why you killed my sister MH that's not an easy thing to do
no and you're but also this guy's a liar and he again I mean he's when they said
he was a suspect he put the blame on his father this guy is not you know that's look if if you're one of these people
that keep blaming everything Society this that this this is what path you might be leading down cuz this is what
these people do mhm so he he but he does it time and time again so yes it's very
brave of her is she going to get the answers that she's looking for no but there's probably some truth to the
idea that yes um your sister saw me doing something what that something is we I guess we just won't know we don't
know or but but again or does he just does she just fit his victimology you know what I mean she's I
think that's what it is I think that's what it is too I think these are sexually motivated murders and
adductions yeah I think he's a rapist and a murderer right and I think that is the real answer behind all of
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ba Babushka um you know this is kind of a good study a good case study you know the old question of nature versus
nurture do these you know are we born to are some people born to kill or are they
created by their environment that they grow up in as a child or society around them and this is one of those
interesting cases where it's unlike many many other cases out there where we have
three generations of killers we have Ward we Jr who was convicted and sentenced to death in California now he
did ultimately appeal those death sentences I don't think he had any luck with the you know overturning those you
know good good for us and the thing in mind the thing to keep in mind here though is remember the statement given
by the FBI later where they're like look this guy he's got two death sentences already he was already facing 42 years
in prison before we brought those death penalty cases against him for violent crimes for for abduction and and
attempted murder right and we have 26 unsolved homicide cases that we can track back to his truck trucking routes
we don't know if he was involved in those or not now I'm not he's involved in some of them I'm not to get I'd place
a bet on that I I think you're exactly right I'm not going to turn all Cold Case Cameron on you and believe that
he's responsible for all 26 of them but look at the the two crimes that we know that he did one was two people that he
he happened upon because their vehicle broke down yeah and the other two were uh runaways hitchhiking right so how
many times in the course of his Long Haul Trucking career did he just happen upon some people it doesn't appear that
he needed much motivation for abduction and murder other than if a female was present right when he happened upon
these people sexually motivated which when you look at his son his crimes are sexually motivated as well exactly
exactly and then you have the grandson Francis Weaver who his crimes are are somewhat different but ultimately he's
convicted of murder as well right you know his crimes are more doesn't seem sexually motivated though no it just
seems like a like a violent man um regarding shooting into a vehicle full of of kids your age and then robbing and
and murdering you know it's more of of Thug wannabe gangster type crimes I I you know if I had to give him such a
title right I think the issue here is is if you could identify a gene that you said okay all serial killers or all
violent offenders have this gen then the question becomes do you lock them up before they commit a crime
because you know that they have that Gene mhm and so it's like because you you look at it this way when they take dmer
in when he was having some issues as a kid and they have him talk to like a therapist right right and the therapist
does this test and comes back and say hey dmer has this Gene that possibly will lead him to be a
serial killer do you lock them up or do you let them live and to see what happens and I think this this is kind of
a question that people keep posing to the True Crime Community mhm well yeah again some have argued that it's nature
some have argued that it's nurture I I think that the look there's a lot of good Arguments for both both stances on
this right but the but the but that's not the question the question is if you knew
definitively that this guy has the serial killer Gene do you lock them up before they commit any
crime that's such a tough thing to answer because I mean I because part of you want to say yes of course because
because then they don't commit any crimes and they're not going to kill any innocent people and and that's a good
thing but then on the other hand you go well I guess gu if they can control themselves then maybe we we don't lock
them up and and hopefully they can contr they could control themselves now that they know this information mhm that hey
you have this Gene um but again with all these serial killers I mean all you hear all the time
is about these urges so is anybody even capable of stopping these urges well and from from as far as we
know most of these serial killers come from they're not they're not born and bred from other serial killers you know
what I mean like this is a unique situation here where we have three generations of
murderers and I think I'm of the the belief that that a lot of things are unique and that every case is unique and
every suspect is an individual and needs to be looked at as such I I don't really
like throwing everybody into a big batch together and just saying hey they're all
C cookie cutter they're all carbon copies of one another right it's almost like it's hard
to study them beforehand you have to wait until the crimes happen does that make sense
like now that we're looking back on them hindsight we can see the development yeah and I'm of the belief that it's as
much of one as it is the other I think it's a a mash of the two I don't think that
there's a definitive argument for it being just one nature or nurture right it's probably a percentage but in the
case of like a dmer I would go you know nature versus nurture I'd say it's probably 8020 mhm you know this
guy was just born with some things wrong with him um especially when you have a father that's trying to get you help
especially that when you have a father that's so concerned about you and so concerned about your how you're um
reacting and interacting in society so I'd lean more towards nature there but I think you're right it's some kind of
percentage of those two and I believe that in this case that we discussed this week especially with Ward Weaver III I
believe that there was a lot of signs when he was a teenager that this is a violent man with with with the strange
sexual appetite you know yeah but the same strange sexual appetite that his father had correct correct and the weird
thing there is you could make an argument that there it it was a gene that was passed down between the two
because basically Ward Weaver Jr didn't really raise Ward Weaver III he was only
around till the kid was about four and then he took off but then you could also argue you know people would say well
then it can't be nurture in this specific situation but how do we know that him not being there didn't mold
Ward Weaver III in a in a certain way right even just not being there is part of it to me it's like with Ward Weaver
III you start going it seems like it's more nature MH than nurture well in a strange twist to this
whole thing after Francis Weaver was arrested and convicted of murder well as we know Most states that have felony
convictions they then take your DNA well when they took his DNA they learned that
he was in fact not the biological son of Ward Weaver III you are not the father again not the father yeah myy would be
so proud of us you know what's Wild is if you look at a picture of wild Weaver Jr Weaver III and Francis Weaver M so
Junior and thei look a lot alike like you can easily look at the two of them and go okay that's father and son if you
look at Francis Weaver I don't think he looks anything like he do look anything like Ward Weaver
III yeah well you wonder if he knew the son Francis or if we or the third knew if we or the third knew I'm assuming
that this the sun didn't know it's interesting that you bring that up because remember Weaver the third
attacked his wife when she was pregnant with their first born yeah remember he sent her to the hospital and she refuse
to press charges against him you know we don't often get to do this but um we will get to this week and I what I like
in this next part too you know when you watch the you ever watch the the Sunday evening news like the the national news
and look if you're not in a good space don't watch the national news because it's just bad after bad after tragic
story I sometimes I sit down to watch it and I feel great about myself and the world we live in and then I'm in a dark
place about 45 minutes into it but continue to listen to our show every Tuesday at 7 p.m. but remember on um
like Anchor Man they did this in the movie Anchor Man and they uh they do it on the national news every week where
they show you all these terrible tragic stories and then they leave you with like
Polar Bears playing together you know a happy story at the end you anchor man I think it was the the squirrel that was
swimming in the pool mhm um well for this story and I know that I I should be a bigger better human being but I'm
sorry I'm just not capable yet um this took place in 2008 I believe Ward Weaver the third who was serving
time he was you know serving out his two life sentences 60 % of the time it works
all the time this was in the Snake River Correctional Institution what Snake River
Correctional Institution so Ward Weaver the thir he he actually lives in the uh segregated
portion of this institution you know because you take the the high risk inmates and you keep them separate
because there there are people in general population that want to harm or kill the and mates right so he is
getting a haircut and I guess that the the way that this works here is that the barber is another inmate is it
a mullet and a mullet his haircut I don't know what kind of no he's getting a perm I have no idea what what he was
Michael Bolton getting what style he was going for um you you may not even get to
choose because I know that they're not allowed to use scissors they're not permitted to use scissors flock of
seagull they use electric razors instead MH but during the course of this haircut
now mind you the barber and Weaver are the only two in the room at the time the barber stabbed Weaver multiple times he
fashioned a shank from a I believe it was from a toothbrush and so I know you did look
that's that's when I'm like I'm like I feel shouldn't be laughing yeah I don't know the answer to that though should I
not be laughing I mean look like I said I want to be a bigger better person but I'm not able or
are you a better person if you are laughing that's true that's what I question yeah that's I mean this son of
a [ __ ] raped and murdered kids yeah you know so yeah I'll laugh at his death we
well he didn't die he didn't die oh he survived the stabbing does he at least talk funny or something now I don't know
where was he stabbed uh in the next and shoulders so it was a good attempt by this Marvin Lee Taylor 44 who was hey
Marvin you should have stabbed him in the rectum was eventually charged with assault possession of a weapon and
supplying Contraband oh and I wonder what what did he say to the barber did he start an argument we know he's
violent or was it simply like you said they find out what Weaver did and they go I'm taking this guy down well Weaver
would be on the lowest rung of the prison population right you know as as as you know silly as it seems that
there's different levels of these criminal or society that they live in I you know there's there's
something about it look bigger person not bigger person I don't give a [ __ ] there's something I like about the
fact that if you do something you take a child's life you harm a child and you go
to prison that somehow they find out about it and they decide to say we're drawing a line and we're going to we're
going to do something about it and these are some of these people are the worst of the worst MH but there's guys in
prison that have killed multiple people but they killed adults and then they're saying hey this
guy killed a child I'm going to take him out I there's something that I that I like about
that and maybe that makes me a horrible person it doesn't bother we're getting really dark right now yeah but it
doesn't bother me and I don't think it would bother most that that I'm saying I enjoy it I don't think that it Bo you
know it doesn't bother me one bit that this person is a Marked Man you know that if you go to if you go to prison
for this type of these type of crimes mhm I mean come on do we have like um therapists sponsor this week cuz I'm I
might have to call my therapist this week and tell him that I like the fact that there's prison
Justice and ask them if that makes me a bad person I don't think so I think it makes me a good person yeah like I said
I'm I'm fine with it I'm fine with people look you have to be held accountable for your actions and that
doesn't stop after you're convicted in a court of law right yeah I mean you're still going to be judged by your peers
ultimately for the rest of your days right yeah and it'd be hard to know if you what you would do if if you're
supposed to spend life in prison for something and you you had to spin it with these monsters what what would you
do mhm so it's tough but with this Gene it's like I think maybe technology will advance more well we'll know more about
this kind of stuff M but I don't know if it's so it's like I don't know how where we're at now
but it's like I think I don't know where I I don't even know if I want to talk about it because
it seems almost like a political thing like I don't know if you should be able to choose your your baby's sex or if you
should be able to choose your baby's eye color or or any of that stuff well the idea of it's interesting the idea of a
of of a possible murder Gene is interesting to ponder that thought and to question that I don't think the cases
we've covered so many cases don't feel like we see so much of of signs of that that it it's something that actually
exists right you know and in that case that we referenced during the trailer Moy versus the state of Georgia that to
me it just seems like a defense that you come up with when there's no other defense to put forth right my clients
look we can't confirm we can't find a doctor to tell you that he's clinically or legally
insane but he might have this murder Gene that means he's not responsible for his own actions he can't control himself
he has no no ability to to control himself in a certain situation it's proven genetically that he's going to
behave erratically and super violent in certain situations because of how he's his DNA his genetic makeup it's just
farfetched it's farfetched and if there was a murder Gene but the different kind
of Gene do you think they would sell those at like hot topics or like abian fit what do you think what do
you think murder jeans would look like murder skinny jeans maybe it would be skinny jeans I think they would look
like skinny jeans but the the design would be like zumas I get angry in skinny jeans because I can't sit
down a humble brag a humble brag that I can't sit down cuz your your junk is too big that's not
what I meant well that's what I was going with the humble br but what we can agree on here Captain is we both feel
that it is a combination of Nature and nurture that molds these people into this violent Behavior later in their
life and what is interesting though and is that we will continue to study this and we will continue to learn from this
unfortunately True Crime is a part of our history and if we choose to ignore it we fail to learn Le from it well and
also remember that if it is a combination of Nature and nurture that we're a part of the nurture as a
society so be excellent to each [Music] other and we're going to do a little recommended viewing for everybody this
week this week recommending the new docu series murder Mountain it is director very good friend of the show Joshua Zan
one of his new projects this is on Netflix so you don't have to rush out and buy a book or anything like that you
can just watch it on Netflix and enjoy it I'm about halfway through the docu series right now how is it it's very
good and you know and Joshua always does good stuff you know and we had him on the show um what was it about two years
ago to discuss The Killing season docu series that he did on A&E which was really good fantastic and it that kind
of centered around the Long Island serial killer case which we've covered multiple times and we've even discussed
off mic of getting back into that case because it's been such a big one for us in the first couple seasons of True
Crime garage but murder Mountain it's about uh hanul County California the big business of legal marijuana brings in
visitors from all around the world and some are never seen again so check out murder Mountain by our good friend
Joshua Zan on on Netflix sounds good I'll check it out this weekend and everybody thanks so much for supporting
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This week we set out to discuss the disappearance of two girls that went missing within 2 months of each other. The prime suspect in both cases has an interesting criminal history. Ward Weaver III is a man with a violent history and he is the son of a serial killer. This week we examine a much requested case from Oregon. This case unlike any other will make you question if serial murder runs in the family. Join the Captain and Nic as we crack a few beers and talk though this strange tale. Beer of the Week - Bennington from Night Shift Brewing Garage Grade - 4 and a quarter bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Ward Weaver III's violent history leads to the murder of two teenage girls, revealing a legacy of crime in his family.

Key points

Ward Weaver: The Number One Suspect. Ward Weaver becomes the primary suspect in the disappearance of two teenage girls.
Dramatic 911 Call. Ward Weaver's son calls 911, revealing shocking claims about his father.
Discovery of Remains. Authorities find the remains of the missing girls on Weaver's property.
Generational Violence. The violent legacy of the Weaver family continues with Francis's criminal actions.
Confession to Murder. Ward Weaver admits to killing Ashley and Miranda during a prison communication.
The Nature vs. Nurture Debate. Exploring whether killers are born or made, with a focus on the Weaver family.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He was described by police as a violent man with an explosive temper.

Description of Ward Weaver III

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Tension

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