The Murder Gene /// Part 2 /// 279 | Forensic Files

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I think that's a word that is a word and if it's not I just made that [ __ ] up and
that is enough for the business all right everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
crime [Music] Ward Weaver III his claims of being the number one suspect or at least being one
of the top suspects in The Disappearance of two young teenage girls might be right because at some point we know the
police in Oregon City began to intensify their focus on Ward Weaver what if they
didn't at First Once you make these claims on public TV Maybe that gave them the inkling that they
shouldn't make him the number one suspect yeah and while they were searching into all of these suspects you
know we mentioned that at one time they said the suspect pool was as many as 30 suspects and then whittled down to 20
maybe 10 according to the FBI there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes here you know especially regarding Ward
Weaver III the authorities collected his work records they were looking into his
whereabouts on the two days in question they were reviewing statements given by other people in the
neighborhood right asking questions to those people regarding his close ties to Ashley one of the missing girls and they
even took search dogs out to rural spots where Ward Weaver liked to camp now Weaver who has been divorced twice by
this point he has five children he was described by police as a violent man with an explosive temper and we know
that to be fact based off of his criminal past and according to County Law Enforcement
records police have been dispatched to Weaver's home 10 times since November of 2000. So within a span of less than two
years ten times they were called out to Ward Weaver's home many of these calls were domestic in nature yeah they
weren't just going out there to give him like the citizen of the Year Award right
right then in late June of 2002 two detectives even made a trip to Idaho to interview Rodney Weaver remember this is
his half-brother now even though Rodney hadn't seen his brother in over a year police wanted to speak with him he told
the police he never met Ashley or Miranda the two potential victims but he did tell investigators about the time
that they went camping in rural Malala now that has come up in a case that we covered before that that
whole area there uh this is an area that was searched by cadaver dogs regarding the investigation into Ward Weaver now
moving down our timeline a bit unbeknownst to police Rodney Weaver spoke with his brother via phone call
this is around the first or second week of August 2002. now during these phone calls Ward Weaver told his half-brother
he was sick of the police following him around town he was sick of them tapping his phone lines and sick of the town
that was calling him a suspect award Weaver III was almost finished packing his things according to what he told his
brother and he was planning to move out of state possibly to Idaho Washington State or maybe even to Mexico then in a
dramatic change of events on August 13 2002 Ward Weaver's oldest son Francis Weaver contacted 9-1-1 and reported that
his father had attempted to rape francis's 19 year old girlfriend Francis urged the dispatcher to send police and
before Francis hung up the phone he told the dispatcher that his father Ward Weaver III told him he had murdered both
Ashley and Miranda police arrested Ward Weaver holding him on one million dollars bond this was just for the rape
allegations of his son's girlfriend his son Francis was being questioned regarding his statement to the
dispatcher regarding the missing girls Francis like his father had his own troubles with the law
in fact in 1999 Francis Weaver shot a rifle into a truckload of teens injuring his best friend this was in Idaho north
of Twin Falls he was charged with aggravated assault a felony and served several weeks in a Juvenile Detention
Facility all right so we have Francis which is the son of Ward Weaver III yes sir so he's shooting
into he's shooting at Cars full of people so he's a [ __ ] bag his father's a [ __ ] bag and we know Ward Weavers the
third's father is a [ __ ] bag Junior so he's a very violent family we have generations of of
wildly Violent Men so we have his family right so the the [ __ ] sandwich doesn't
fall too far from the [ __ ] tree or something like that well that sandwich would be like a club sandwich
or a a Big Mac Club you know a sandwich where you have three layers to it it'd be a Whopper is what you're saying a
[ __ ] Whopper well the first thing that that drove me crazy when I was looking into this case is the smell
um no these allegations by Francis Weaver right because you're talking about this
is like months and months later after both these girls went missing and he's saying to the 911 dispatcher hey my
father told me that he abducted and killed those two girls but when though because if it was months ago then
you're just kind of proven that how big of a pizza well and that's that's what I was
wondering I'm like how long did Francis Weaver sit on this information however it looks to me like Francis Weaver
actually lived most of the time with his brother's uh with his father's half-brother right and it looks like he
would come and stay from time to time with his father so Francis Weaver may not have known this information until
very shortly before calling 9-1-1 in fact learning this information may have come about because of the attack on his
girlfriend I couldn't find anything out there to definitively State when Francis
Weaver was claims that he heard this confession from his father that he had killed those two girls right so right
and then authorities could be this going you're making this up well either way that we know the allegations of his
father trying to rape his girlfriend that's for reals yes and that's what they're going to
hold Ward Weaver the Third on on that rape allegation and you hit the nail on the head there Captain because some of
the investigators they believed Francis Weaver's claims heck most of them thought Ward Weaver was their guy even
before the new rape allegations but there were some that wondered if Francis made up that part of the story you know
of his dad having killed the girls because he was simply angry about the attack on his girlfriend knowing that
his father might have already been a suspect in those cases yeah and you would be mad and should be mad the other
thing was the exact uh under questioning the exact details of that confession from father to son uh the way that
Francis would tell the investigators about that those details change from time to time in francis's story
so that called it into question a little more yeah but regardless uh Francis Weaver did maintain that his father
confessed to him that he killed the girls well and the tricky thing here though is
the confession to him could have been very small as far as details go and then they
start asking you for more details and you don't know so therefore you start making those up you also have to wonder
was that actually some kind of threat that Ward Weaver posed to francis's girlfriend and that maybe Francis didn't
hear it directly from his father's mouth you know during the course of attacking
that that woman uh francis's girlfriend was that part of the threats that were made because we've covered other cases
where we have repeat offenders when they are going after a victim and things aren't going their way they will use
anything as a threat well and you have again Ward Weaver III which is a a big [ __ ] a Big Mac
and then we have the Whopper of a [ __ ] Francis then you start wondering maybe they both were involved possibly but
again it's very likely Francis Weaver wasn't even in all right that's right you know because it doesn't seem to be
that that was his main residence well I probably would have if I was the lead detective on this that would have
demoted me right there you would have got put back on that hey wait a minute we need you to answer the
phones for a few months Captain didn't Nick just say he lived with his brother's half brother you're on bicycle
Patrol that's um give me horse Duty the the uh where we grew up Captain I nobody
has directly said this to me but I have to believe that bicycle Patrol was like some form of punishment for for the
opposite yeah for the police um anyway the the FBI what what does come of this is that the FBI and the
local authorities regardless of what level of suspect they believed Ward Weaver the third to be they finally were
able to obtain a warrant to search his property because of these new allegations right on August 24th FBI
agents searched Weaver's home and they found the remains of Miranda Gaddis inside a box in a storage shed Jesus the
following day they found the remains of Ashley Pond inside a barrel which was buried under a slab of concrete that
Weaver had recently put down for a hot tub or so he claimed now one thing regarding that interview that we
referenced yesterday when he and when Ward Weaver III being a suspect living near the crime scene invites the camera
crew and invites a reporter into his home and walks her around his home as he answers questions and speaks to being a
suspect in the case of two missing girls there's one part of the interview when he's leading them out they go out
through like the back door of his home and they go around the side and I might have this wrong because I don't know the
full layout of this property but at one point they walk over top of this concrete slab that he had poured to
cover up the remains of this poor girl great and some have wondered was that another
was that another shot at all the people looking at him as a suspect like you know just kind of doing his thing and
walking right over top of the concrete that he had poured well he is a real arrogant son of a [ __ ] anyways he he's
he's one of those people that not only does he think he's the smartest guy in the room he thinks he's the smartest guy
in any town he goes in is what it seems to me and so that would be like you said
a shot hey come in talk to me they they they say I'm the number one guy and uh and then by the way let's walk
over her remains while you leave what his half-brother says is true Ward Weaver was packing up his things and
getting ready to get out of town yeah you know if he would have went to Mexico who knows I mean I'm sure they would
have searched that property or figured out a way to search that property at some point with him being gone
but would they have been able to catch up with him right so on October 2nd 2002 or catch up with him or catch him in
time before he did something else stupid yeah right right exactly on the 2nd of October Ward Weaver was indicted on
charges of six counts of aggravated murder two counts of abuse of a corpse and the second degree one count of
sexual abuse in the first degree and one count of attempted rape in the second degree one count of attempted aggravated
murder one count of attempted rape in the first degree and one count of sexual abuse in the first degree
um to avoid the death penalty Ward Weaver III pled guilty to murdering his daughter's friends right and he
received two life sentences without the possibility of parole for the deaths of Ashley Pond and Miranda ganis yeah well
he's not going to do well in prison anyways strangely enough the same month that Ward Weaver III was indicted on the
murder and rape charges his son who turned him in Francis Weaver is accused of threatening uh some relatives
apparently he called his aunt and two cousins and threatened their lives during a phone call okay so we got the
grandpa he's charged death sentences for the the great sentences then the Sun the third
he now has two life sentences now we have the the grandson Francis yep and he is threatening people in his family
yeah well I mean he's already shot at a vehicle with people right now he's threatening his family so it's the third
generation of of wild violence really I mean of these Violent Men I mean I'm just trying to keep up with these turds
well then in 2005 Francis Weaver was charged with breaking into a Southeast Portland home holding the residents
hostage and then robbing them he was acquitted though in court then later that same year police and firefighters
came across a puzzling scene finding Edward Kelly Spangler of Grants Pass lying outside his Hyundai SUV and Locust
city park it was obvious that he had crashed the vehicle into a tree but it wasn't until they examined him closely
that they found he had suffered multiple gunshot wounds Spangler age 43 was pronounced dead at the scene now working
with the major crimes unit police then traced spangler's path to a nearby apartment complex for which they obtain
retained search warrants they soon arrested 27 year old Michael Oren who admitted that he shot Spangler twice in
the head according to the court documents now police also arrested Francis Weaver at the apartment complex
Francis initially charging him with robbery meanwhile Oren reportedly told police where they could find another
accomplice this is 32 year old Shannon Bettencourt a Portland Police Bureau cert team served a search warrant at the
home of Bettencourt in Portland where Bettencourt was arrested according to court documents police believe Weaver
Oren and Bettencourt stalked Spangler planning to steal 15 pounds of marijuana this Spangler had brought from Southern
Oregon for a cash exchange but the robbery didn't go smoothly and then they killed Spangler after a round of
interviews authorities filed a new charge against Francis Weaver for murder and then convicting him of such but they
convicted him and somebody else correct it was this this team of three that had planned to Rob this man and ultimately
led to the murder of Spangler regarding the deaths of Ashley and Miranda the two girls from the Ward
Weaver the third case we would get some updates and some clarity as to what happened in those specific cases it
would take some years for some of this to come to light but Miranda's Sister Mariah
she started communicating with Ward Weaver III once he was in prison serving his two life sentences and she wanted
some answers as to what happened and he would tell her some of the things that that occurred that led up to their
murder now it took about three years I'm sorry it took about I think it was six or seven years after he was in prison
that he finally told Mariah that the reason that he killed Ashley was because he feared that he was going to
eventually face charges for the rape allegations right and they're they're not any details as to
how the abduction took place I mean it could have been as simple as he picked her up on the street on her way to the
uh bus stop she could have shown up after the bus actually took off or before the other kids and he could have
got her there as well but we do know that he admitted to having a motive let's say for killing this young girl
the other thing though too is Mariah wanted to know well why did you kill my sister Miranda
and what Ward Weaver told her was that Miranda was near his home and saw him doing something and I'm I'm confused as
to what it was that he was doing his statement is simply that he was doing something and I don't know if Mariah
cleaned this up for the papers or if he didn't directly tell her what that something was but he simply says he was
in the middle of something he was doing something Miranda saw him and he got scared and he panicked
unfortunately he used basically the love and the friendship between the two girls to lure her into
his home he basically told Miranda that Ashley is inside his house that Ashley wants to
come home keep in mind she was missing for two months by this point that Ashley wants to come home but she's scared
and this is what got Miranda to go over to his house and go into his home that eventually led to the murder when she
could have saw him digging a hole putting the concrete down move in the body yeah I think that's probably likely
what was going on because like I said when I saw portions of that interview with Ward Weaver the the placement of
that concrete when he walked over the concrete with the reporter it looked to me like that was on the side of his home
and if somebody was coming up the hill approaching the bus stop they would have very likely seen him doing something on
the side of that house right and he may have so he may have thought that she saw
something that she in fact did not see right and then he then he you know tricks her into coming into the house or
he's a lying piece of [ __ ] and he didn't he didn't kill Ashley to stop the rape
charges he killed her so he could rape her again and then he decided to rape another girl and kill her as well well
let's think about this for a minute because you have about six months or so that go that go by Between the time that
these allegations come forward about the the rape or molestation before she's abducted and killed six
months so what he he just sat there scared for six months and did nothing about it and all of a sudden one day
decided to take action yeah it doesn't make any sense see here here's here's the issue here
okay and we see this time and time again with a lot of serial killers and that's what
we need to go ahead and label Ward Weaver III as we know he killed two he very likely was going to kill Francis
Weaver's girlfriend during that attack something stopped that something prevented that from happening but what
we have here is excuses and we see this time and time again there's an excuse for the murder when
really that the the simple fact of it you're making this up you're making this up because
there were there were reasons that you attacked and killed these young girls and none of it has to do with the
excuses that you've brought up and that you've told to her sister right I I killed Ashley to cover up the
rape allegations but I waited over six months and then it doesn't doesn't make a lot of logical sense and then Miranda
saw me in the middle of something and I got scared and I panicked jerking off on
the porch but it's in in a way it's almost like victim blaming like blaming your eventual murder victims that oh I
had I had to do this because of this yeah she she was going to charge me with rape charges I had to kill her it's not
her friend saw me you know it's not that I'm just it's not that I'm just an evil child killer or an evil
woman killer it's it's I had to do it because of this and I don't buy it for a second I don't buy it for a second it
might have saved him um some grief or whatever when he had to talk to uh her sister so many years
later and you know what kudos to Mariah right kudos to her for going and saying and demanding answers from this scumbag
look me in the face look me in the eye and tell me why you killed my sister that's not an easy thing to do no and
you're but also this guy's a liar and he again I mean he's when they said he was
a suspect he put the blame on his father this guy is you know that's look if if you're one of these people that keep
blaming everything Society this that this this is what path you might be leading down
because this is what these people do so he but he does it time and time again so
yes it's very brave of her is she going to get the answers that she's looking for No but
there's probably some truth to the idea that yes um your sister saw me doing something
what that something is we I guess we just won't know we don't know or but but again
or does he just does she just fit his victimology you know what I mean she's I think
that's what it is I think that's what it is too I think these are sexually motivated murders and abductions yeah I
think he's a rapist and a murderer right and I think that is the real answer behind all of this
foreign [Music] you know this is kind of a good study a good case study you know the old
question of nature versus nurture do these you know are we born are some people born to kill or are they created
by their environment that they grow up in as a child or society around them and this is one of those interesting
cases where it's unlike many many other cases out there where we have three generations of killers we have Ward
Weaver Jr who was convicted and sentenced to death in California now he did ultimately appeal those death
sentences I don't think he had any luck with the you know overturning those you know good good for us and the thing
about the thing to keep in mind here though is remember the statement given by the FBI later where they're like look
this guy he's got two death sentences already he was already facing 42 years in prison before we brought those death
penalty cases against him for violent crimes for for abduction and and attempted murder right and we have
26 unsolved homicide cases that we can track back to his truck trucking routes we don't know if he was involved in
those or not now I'm not going he's involved in someone with them I'm not to get I'd place a bet on that I I think
you're exactly right I'm not going to turn all Cold Case Cameron on you and believe that he's what responsible for
all 26 of them but look at the the two crimes that we know that he did one was two people that he he happened upon
because their vehicle broke down yeah and the other two were runaways hitchhiking right so how many times in
the course of his long-haul Trucking career did he just happen upon some people it doesn't appear that he needed
much motivation for abduction and murder other than if a female was present right
when he happened upon these people sexually motivated which when you look at his son his crimes are sexually
motivated as well exactly exactly and then you have the grandson Francis Weaver who
his crimes are somewhat different but ultimately he's convicted of murder as well right you know his crimes are more
it doesn't seem sexually motivated though no it just seems like a like a violent man
um regarding shooting into a vehicle full of of kids your age and then robbing and and murdering you know it's
more of of Thug want to be gangster type crimes I I you know if I had to give them such a title right I think the
issue here is is if you could identify a gene that you said okay all serial killers or all violent offenders have
this Gene then the question becomes do you lock them up before they commit a crime because you know that they have
that Gene and so it's like because you you look at this way when they take Dameron
when he was having some issues as a kid and they haven't talked to like a therapist right right and the
therapist does this test and comes back and say hey Dahmer has this Gene that possibly will lead him to be a
serial killer do you lock them up or do you let them live and to see what happens and I think this this is kind of
a question that people keep posing to the True Crime Community well yeah again some have argued that
it's nature some have argued that it's nurture I I think that the look there's a lot of good Arguments for
both both stances on this right but but that's not the question the question is if you knew definitively that this guy
has the serial killer Gene do you lock them up before they commit any crime I that that's such a tough thing to
answer because I mean I because part of you wants to say yes of course because right because then they don't commit any
crimes and they're not going to kill me any innocent people and and that's a good thing but then on the other hand
you go well I guess if they can control themselves then maybe we we don't lock them up and
and hopefully they can control they could control themselves now that they know this information that hey you have
this Gene um but again with all these serial killers I mean all you hear all the time
is about these urges so is anybody even capable of stopping these urges well and from from as far as we know
most of these serial killers come from they're not they're not born and bred from other serial killers you know what
I mean like this is a unique situation here where we have three generations of murderers
and I think I'm of the the belief that that a lot of things are unique and that every case is unique in every suspect is
an individual and needs to be looked at as such I I don't really like throwing everybody into a big batch together and
just saying hey they're all cooking cookie cutter they're all carbon copies of one another right it's almost like
it's hard to study them beforehand you have to wait until the crimes happen does that make sense like
now that we're looking back on them hindsight we can see the development yeah and I'm of the belief that it's as
much of one as it is the other I think it's a mash of the two I don't think that
there's a definitive argument for it being just one right it's probably a percentage but in the case of like a
Dahmer I would go you know nature versus nurture I'd say it's probably 80 20. you know this guy
was just born with some things wrong with him um especially when you have a father
that's trying to get you help especially that if when you have a father that's so
concerned about you and so concerned about your how you're um reacting and interacting in society so I'd lean more
towards nature there but I think you're right it's some kind of percentage of those two and I believe that in this
case that we discussed this week especially with Ward Weaver III I believe that there was a lot of signs
when he was a teenager that this is a violent man with with with the strange sexual appetite
you know yeah but the same strange sexual appetite that his father had correct correct and the weird thing
there is you could make an argument that there it was a gene that was passed down
between the two because basically Ward Weaver Jr didn't really raise Ward Weaver III he was only around till the
kid was about four and then he took off but then you could also argue you know people would say well then it can't be
nurture in this specific situation but how do we know that him not being there didn't mold Ward Weaver III in in a
certain way right but even just not being there is part of it to me it's like with Ward Weaver the third he
started going this seems like it's more nature the nurture well in a strange twist to this whole
thing after Francis Weaver was arrested and convicted of murder well as we know Most states that have felony convictions
they then take your DNA well when they took his DNA they learned that he was in fact not the biological son of Ward
Weaver III you are not the father again not the father yeah Mori would be so proud of us you know what's Wild is if
you look at a picture of wow Weaver Jr Weaver III and Francis Weaver so Junior in the third look a lot alike like you
can easily look at the two of them and go okay that's father and son if you look at Francis Weaver I don't think he
looks anything like you know like anything like Ward Weaver III yeah well you wonder if he knew
the son Francis or if we were the third knew if Weaver the third knew I'm assuming that this the son didn't know
it's interesting that you bring that up because remember Weaver the third attacked his wife when she was pregnant
with their first born yeah remember he sent her to the hospital and she refused to press charges against him you know we
don't often get to do this but um we will get to this week and I what I like in this next part too you know when
you watch the you ever watch the the Sunday evening news like the the national news and look if you're not in
a good space don't watch the national news because it's just bad after bad after tragic
story I sometimes I sit down to watch it and I feel great about myself in the world we live in and then I'm in a dark
place about 45 minutes into it but continue to listen to our show every Tuesday at 7 pm but remember on uh like
Anchorman they did this in the movie Anchorman and they uh they do it on the national news every week they show you
all these terrible tragic stories and then they leave you with like polar bears playing together you know a happy
story at the end you know Anchorman I think it was the the squirrel that was swimming in the pool
um well for this story and I know that I I should be a bigger better human being
but I'm sorry I'm just not capable yet um this took place in 2008 I believe Ward Weaver III who was serving time he
was you know serving out his two life sentences sixty percent of the time it works all the time
this was in the Snake River Correctional Institution what Snake River Correctional Institution
so what we were the third he he actually lives in the uh segregated portion of this institution you know because you
take the the high risk inmates and you keep them separate because they're there are people in general population that
want to harm or kill these inmates right so he is getting a haircut and I guess that the the way that this works here is
that the barber is another inmate is it a mullet and a mullet with his haircut well I don't know what
kind of no he's getting a perm I have no idea what what he's Michael Bolton getting what style he was going for
um you may not even get to choose because I know that they're not allowed to use scissors they're not permitted to
use scissors flock of seagull they use electric razors instead but during the course of this haircut now mind you the
barber and Weaver are the only two in the room at the time the barber stabbed Weaver multiple times he
fashioned a shank from uh I believe it was from a toothbrush and so I know you did look that's that's
when I like I'm like I feel should be laughing yeah I don't know the answer to that though should I not be laughing I
mean look like I said I want to be a bigger better person but I'm not or are you a better person if you are laughing
that's true that's what I question yeah that's I mean this son of a [ __ ] raped and murdered kids yeah you know so
yeah I'll laugh at his death we well he didn't die he didn't die oh he survived the stabbing
does he at least talk funny or something now I don't know where was he stabbed uh
in the neck and shoulders so it was a good attempt by this Marvin Lee Taylor 44 who was Marvin you should have
stabbed him in the rectum was eventually charged with assault possession of a weapon and supplying Contraband no I
wonder what what did he say to the barber did he start an argument we know he's violent
or was it simply like you said they find out what Weaver did and they go I'm taking this guy down well Weaver
would be on the lowest rung of the prison population right you know as as you know silly as it seems that there's
different levels of these I don't think it's silly for a society that they live in I you know there's there's something
about it look bigger person not bigger person I don't give a [ __ ] there's something I like about the fact
that if you do something you take a child's life you harm a child and you go to prison and somehow they find out
about it and they decide to say we're drawing a line and we're gonna we're gonna do something
about it and these are some of these people are the worst of the worst but there's guys in prison that have killed
multiple people but they killed adults and that they're saying hey this guy killed a child
I'm going to take him out I I there's something that I that I like about that and maybe that makes me a horrible
person it doesn't bother getting really dark right now yeah but it doesn't bother me and I don't think it would
bother most that that I'm saying I enjoy it I don't think that about you know it
doesn't bother me one bit that this person is a Marked Man you know that if you go to if you go to prison for this
type of these type of crimes I mean come on do we have like um therapist sponsor this week because I'm
I might have to call my therapist this week and tell them that I like the fact that there's prison Justice and ask them
if that makes me a bad person I don't think so he makes me a good person yeah like I said I'm I'm fine with it
I'm fine with people look you have to be held accountable for your actions and that doesn't stop after you're convicted
in a court of law right yeah I mean you're still going to be judged by your peers
ultimately for the rest of your days right yeah and it'd be hard to know if you what you would do if if you're supposed
to spend life in prison for something and you you had to spin it with these monsters what what would you do so it's
tough but with this Gene it's like I think maybe technology will advance more we'll know more about this kind of stuff
but I don't know if it's uh it's like I don't know how where we're at now but it's like I think
I I don't know where I I don't even know if I want to talk about it because it seems almost like a political thing like
I don't know if you should be able to choose your your baby sex or if you should be able to choose your baby's eye
color or or any of that stuff well the idea of it's interesting the idea of a of a possible murder Gene is interesting
to ponder that thought and to question that I don't think the cases we've covered so many cases I don't feel like
we see so much of of signs of that that it is something that actually exists right you know and in that case that we
referenced during the trailer Mobley versus the state of Georgia that to me it just seems like a defense that you
come up with when there's no other defense to put forth right my clients look we can't confirm we can't find a
doctor to tell you that he's clinically or legally insane but he might have this
murder Gene that means he's not responsible for his own actions he can't control himself he has no no ability to
to control himself in a certain situation it's proven genetically that he's going to behave erratically and
super violent in certain situations because of how he's his DNA his genetic makeup it's just far-fetched it's
far-fetched and if there was a murder Gene but the different kind of Gene do you think they would sell those at like
hot topics or like Abercrombie and Fitch what do you think what do you think murder genes would
look like murder skinny jeans maybe it would be skinny I think they would look like skinny jeans but the the design
would be like Zumbas I get angry in skinny jeans because I can't sit down a humble brag no humble break that I
can't sit down because you your junk is too big that's not what I meant well that's what's going with the humble
prank but what we can agree on here Captain is we both feel that it is a combination of Nature and nurture that
molds these people into this violent Behavior later in their life and what is interesting though and is
that we will continue to study this and we will continue to learn from this unfortunately True Crime is a part of
our history and if we choose to ignore it we fail to learn from it one also remember that if it is
a combination of Nature and nurture that we're a part of the nurture as a society
so be excellent to each other [Music] and we're going to do a little recommended viewing for everybody this
week this week recommending the new docu-series murder Mountain it is director very good friend of the show
Joshua Zieman one of his new projects this is on Netflix so you don't have to rush out and buy a book or anything like
that you can just watch it on Netflix and enjoy it I'm about halfway through the docu-series right now how is it it's
very good and you know and Joshua always does good stuff you know and we had him
on the show um what was about two years ago to discuss The Killing season docu-series
that he did on a e which was really good fantastic and it that kind of centered around the Long Island serial killer
case which we've covered multiple times and we've even discussed off mic of getting back into that case because it's
been such a big one for us in the first couple seasons of True Crime garage but murder Mountain it's about uh Humboldt
County California the big business of legal marijuana brings in visitors from all around the world and some are never
seen again so check out murder Mountain by our good friend Joshua Zieman on Netflix sounds good I'll check it out
this weekend and everybody thanks so much for supporting the show thanks for sharing on social media thanks for
telling your friends thanks for telling your mothers until next week everybody be good be kind don't litter
thank you [Applause] thank you [Music]

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This week we set out to discuss the disappearance of two girls that went missing within 2 months of each other. The prime suspect in both cases has an interesting criminal history. Ward Weaver III is a man with a violent history and he is the son of a serial killer. This week we examine a much requested case from Oregon. This case unlike any other will make you question if serial murder runs in the family. Join the Captain and Nic as we crack a few beers and talk though this strange tale. Beer of the Week - Bennington from Night Shift Brewing Garage Grade - 4 and a quarter bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Ward Weaver III, a violent suspect, confesses to murdering two teenage girls, leading to his life sentence and discussions on family violence dynamics.

Key points

A Shocking Confession. Francis Weaver calls 911, revealing his father's chilling admission of murder.
Ward Weaver's Violent Legacy. The history of violence in the Weaver family is troubling and complex.
The Discovery of Remains. FBI agents uncover the remains of the missing girls in a shocking search.
The Justification for Murder. A suspect claims he killed to cover up rape allegations, raising chilling questions about motive.
Bravery in Seeking Answers. Mariah confronts the murderer of her sister, demanding the truth in a powerful moment.
Nature vs. Nurture Debate. Exploring whether killers are born or made, with a focus on generational crime.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He was sick of the police following him around town.

Ward Weaver's frustration with police scrutiny.

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Tension

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