The Many Crimes of Serial Killer John Christie with a SPECIAL GUEST | Episode 329 | Morbid | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Elena and I'm John and this is morbid [Music] so you guys might have noticed that that
was uh not Ash not Ash at all not even a little bit we have John on the podcast today hi everybody
it's that job Josh so this week very unexpectedly very quickly it all happened in like an instant
because she has covid um she's doing fine she's doing okay but I did not think it was really cool of me
to be like all right sit down and listen to this story and react to me now uh so
she's getting the rest that she needs and you know I happen to have this guy just
hanging around my house and I've been asked a couple of hundred times to come on the podcast and I said
if I come on the podcast that will ruin the podcast so I'm not going to come on the podcast
but Ash had to go and get the get the code get the Rona get the Rona she had to do it and he said yeah he was a hero
in that moment because I I'm not he's not lying when he's been asked a million times because I'm like come on just come
on with me just one just one he's like no it's not that I didn't want to come on I just figured I probably wouldn't be
very good at it and I don't think I'll be very good at it so just everyone lower your standards a little bit for
the next hour or so it's gonna be great I know it is and you don't have to worry
because this you know it kind of worked out because this is my case today so you
didn't have to really worked out that's your crime case I'm not researched since
College I feel like I'm in a fourth grade class about to give a geography presentation I'm very nervous
you're gonna do great and uh here we go just picture the entire class in their underwear right because it's just me no
that works just picture me in my underwear and it'll be fine okay is it helping a little bit okay cool all right so
we're gonna jump right into it today because I don't want to make John have to speak too
yeah I mean um 75 of the people are now gone no way the other 25 everybody is here
everybody's psyched for this and this is a gnarly one today this is lucky me yeah
you really hit a good one yeah you really hit a good one because we have a serial killer today which we haven't had
like a full-blown serial killer in a while do I know the serial killer uh I'd probably not
it's weird because I think a lot of people don't know this serial killer are you K listeners might know the serial
killer better than anyone else will um his name is John Christie don't know him so not only do we have a serial
killer we have a serial killer named John you're gonna have blind reactions because I have no idea what is coming
right now and that's kind of great for this whole thing that's that's what we do here let's do it let's go so we're
going to talk about John Reginald Halliday Christie again you don't know him don't know so a
lot of names there a lot of names a lot of serial killers have a lot of names it
seems to be kind of the trend but he was born in Yorkshire England and I always forget whether the UK listeners want me
to say Yorkshire or Yorkshire I think it's Yorkshire okay I feel it I feel good about it so I'm gonna go with it
hopefully across the Palm yeah hopefully I didn't disappoint you uh he was born on April 8th 1898 to Ernest John
Christie and Mary Hannah Halliday so there's where all those names came from okay we got the John we got the Christie
we got the holiday don't know where the Reginald came from I already forgot most
of those names so we're off to a great start don't worry about it we can just call him like jackass from now on and
that's an easy well I'll remember John it's the other ones I don't remember well he was the sixth of seven children
and he was the only boy that's rough and also familiar household of women yeah John can can
relate to that part of John but that's probably where it is I would say I don't know I hope well we'll see what other
similarities there are well his father was very cold very unavailable in a harsh disciplinarian yikes okay his
mother was a very overprotective mother who it was like her only boy but she was
overprotective to like a fault okay like border lining on like an Oedipus kind of
thing my mom only also only had one boy that's true but I love your mom it stops
there though I don't think so I think she she did good so I'm gonna give that to her but his sisters on the other hand
like kind of ate him alive like half okay is this an intervention it's not an intervention I promise so here's
where here's where we're going to deviate pretty harshly like we're gonna take like please do a hairpinter for
people I know start coming to the door don't worry this is this hairpin turn coming ready even worse he started to
become sexually frustrated and Confused around his many sisters okay see that hair picture that is beyond a
hairpin so so officially you can sit tight now all right we're good you're good it's
not about you I feel way more relaxed here we are so he hated them because of this he hated them because they
dominated him and they pushed him around but at the same time he was like weirdly
sexually attracted to them but couldn't act on it obviously yeah so this began I lost myself in the
chair right now this is uncomfortable already I gotta go uh I feel like it's that like SpongeBob Meme where he's like
all right I'm gonna head up I'm gonna head out uh yeah so he was having a time this began a long life of him being
sexually sadistic and absolutely hating women and of course everyone would blame it on
his overprotective mother and his quote unquote domineering sisters but in reality it's just him being a [ __ ]
essentially I would say so yeah he was unfortunately very smart he had an IQ of 128. he was a very good student wow so
he was really doing that damn thing at least but he didn't have many friends and was considered kind of weird he was
at the very least bullied slightly he was bullied at least he had a really large forehead which comes back later
that's the only reason I'm laughing right now school kids are just the worst no matter what so it's it's rough it's
mean and trust me I was bullied I know how it is like but this guy at the end of it you're like all right yeah
and the big forehead thing comes back that's that's the reason okay uh it was exceedingly large and normally that's
not something to bully someone over of course but like this guy sucks obviously sure now according to this book that I
was using to research this one of the books uh it's John Christie the true story about the rillington Strangler by
Jack Rosewood at eight years old John's grandfather passed away this was a strange thing because his grandfather
was reportedly like a giant dick uh he was mean he was not grandfatherly at all in fact John was very afraid of
him but his parents allowed young John at eight years old to view his grandfather's body at the wake
this normally this would just be like a moment of like accepting death understanding what's going on but for
John it made him realize that this man couldn't hurt him anymore and he was not to be feared anymore that was the first
thing that came to mind he was like wow he's dead he can't hurt me anymore wow so this started his obsession with
viewing Corpses yeah he started to hang out around graveyards and actually rotten.com which that's the thing it's
like if it's stopped there if it was just because we all went on rotten.com we've talked about it so many times on
the podcast I'm like where's my rotten.com friends like we all did that we were all morbidly curious like no pun
intended but this started a whole thing where you'd hang around graveyards and actually tried to peek into broken
Crypts which like again yeah we got to just like type something into our computer and look at it and then click
it and be gone exactly which is like wow how desensitive a lot of effort for him
to go ahead and find some corpses and hanging around a graveyard and being like interested in it I get because like
I love graveyards I find them like weirdly calming but he's still like eight years old at this point yeah so
that's like a different thing it's a red flag I would say so it's like a very very deep maroon flag I would say and
according to the book he was especially drawn to the crypts that contained children oh
all of this made him happy it made him calm this is a bad connection to make to death in corpses I would say at a very
young age I don't think that corpses and death should make you like go screaming and
running like that's probably an unhealthy way to look at it but like they shouldn't really make you happy at
eight years old I mean I'd rather have my eight-year-old scream and run yeah I feel like that's that'd be like oh dive
into more yeah like this makes me calm like no I don't know about that foreign [Music]
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very natural like normal things to do as a young child he joined the Boy Scouts uh he eventually became a scout master
and he became a scout monster like really early I guess like earlier than you normally do okay but he really liked
the power that came from that and the power of the uniform and all that and I was thinking about it you were a boy
scout I was were your scout Masters power hungry to your knowledge no no well scout master so there was kids that
were scope Masters yeah maybe I'm using the wrong term they were like the lead they were like I don't know if I made it
that far into Boy Scouts yeah I'm probably using the wrong time I would like termination leaders were just like
parents of the kids okay and my mom was actually a leader of one of our boy scout groups she later told me that it
just made the house uh smell like dirt and farts yeah she told me that she's just like piling in 15 boys that are
like 10 years old your poor mom she's she was a trooper man she's a saint she truly is
um I don't remember kids being leaders my memory is also terrible that might have happened or this is probably just
wrong he probably I know also like 100 years ago in England so it could just be a different setting it could just be
different so maybe it's like a higher ranking Scout that has like some kind of authority
over the other Scouts like almost like a camp counselor yeah yeah I get it I think that's essentially what he became
and I think he got like a newer uniform because it of it and he was like check me out right so this need for power
probably came from the Relentless bullying he was enduring sure uh he was teased as he got like we said he was
teased about like the big forehead situation and then as he got older he got teased about the fact that he was
what they said was he was impotent okay now he could not complete sexual acts and apparently word got around and it
was just like a Feeding Frenzy of people being like Oh my God you can't like and
it said it was when he was like 15 and 16 which I was like whoa can everybody step back for a second your children
I don't know I feel like that's pretty young to be making fun of like people's sexual prowess like yeah I don't know
maybe that's just me uh no I'm I'm there I have not do that either I'm with you no this kind of bullying the inadequacy
he was feeling about the impotence and the fact that he was raised by a very overprotective mother any cold
neglectful father definitely created some other issues in his life and in his mind
he was a severe hypochondriac for one he was constantly inventing ailments and insisting that he had every little thing
that came around he was doing it for attention it was all attention grabbing he was looking for
people to fawn over him and pay attention to him he thought people would pity him if he had things like random
diseases emotional manipulation made him feel powerful and it allowed him to become
the victim on the outside but Remain the power player on the inside yeah and kind
of take the spotlight off of his other problems that were exactly causing at least rumors or Worse exactly nailed it
now John left school to join the military when World War One began okay and by all accounts he was not a problem
in the military he didn't have any black spots on his record he was not dishonorably discharged or anything no
disciplinary actions but when he came home he and it seemed like it was like a pretty uneventful like he just went
through it he came back but when he came home he had this harrowing tale that surprised everyone he told his friends
and family that he had been involved in a traumatizing mustard gas attack which was a thing obviously that happened like
many soldiers came back with PTSD from it and tons of issues but he said he had been blinded from it okay
but like he could see like right like later he can see yeah just an odd thing that even if it did happen because why
would you believe otherwise yeah to have that as the side effects that could pretty easily be disproven and that's
the thing and he also said he could only he had what they called they actually documented it as hysterical muteness
because he could only speak above like like a to a whisper yeah and it lasted this hysterical muteness that they
documented this as it lasted three [ __ ] years I mean war is crazy man I would not
doubt that that could happen to somebody coming back from that type of experience
and who knows like you're saying maybe physically this was not like he wasn't physically blinded in a clinical term
right but there is like a thing called hysterical blindness yeah that when you go through trauma it can happen right so
maybe it happened who knows um the blindness was never confirmed to be or documented to be like clinically
true but I wouldn't say that it's something that couldn't have happened absolutely but people around him at the
time believed this was all for attention because I said it very much lined up with who he was but again World War one
yeah like I know that this story is gonna turn and I'm Not Gonna Wanna like defend this person no you're definitely
not but right now he's just coming back from war yeah defending the country or helping a lot like it's just why are we
uh not giving him the benefit of the doubt right now yeah and you know what later you'll find out why no I know but
right now he's only guilty of being excited around corpses exactly exactly and that see this is why it's
good that you don't know this story because you are you're gonna hear it exactly how it needs to be heard which
is like what is wrong here and then you're gonna at this moment in time I'm okay with John you're okay with John
all right I can't wait until we get a little further into this so here we go May 10 1920. so we're in the 20s The
Roaring 20s now there we go he married a woman named Ethel Simpson Waddington of
course he did yeah Ethel you know so this marriage went sour from the start okay for one he was impotent which is
not like you know people get through that but he hadn't been forthcoming with this information before marrying Ethel
also he was a liar he was known to be possibly a cheater and he was just a shitty husband damn it
right when I said that I was like kind of back in this dude yeah and then the marriage happened I knew that was going
to come back to bite me so he's a really he's a bad husband and remember he has not been in trouble
thus far with the law correct he has not been like a petty Thief which we see in
a lot of these things usually we see when like you know when they turn into something like he turned into you see
like in his youth he would like steal [ __ ] he would get in trouble in school like there's all these little things
that sometimes yeah exactly he didn't really have any of that in his background so he marries Ethel he's kind
of a shitty husband I didn't find anything that was documented that he like physically abused her or anything
but who knows when you find out who he is you're like that probably happens so he just wasn't good at being a husband
he was just shitty and he was a liar and he was just like not nice he was just not a good husband he wasn't loving
um he spent a lot of time cheating on her um with like other women he yeah it just
he just wasn't great and when you find out later what he does it's not hard to believe that he was probably physically
abusing her too and it probably just isn't documented right because why would it be in the 20s sure so during the
marriage she got a job as a postman but he couldn't just hold down a job without
doing some [ __ ] to gain negative attention because he is an attention person so he began stealing out of
nowhere just begins stealing packages and began stealing like the money from the postage he was caught really quickly
and as a result he went to prison for three months because of this wow yeah during this time Ethel had a miscarriage
too so this was not a great time in their marriage yeah this is uh and again we don't know what happened going
downhill very quickly it's gonna go really downhill really quick I don't know why I was expecting this I was
gonna say anywhere else sorry I didn't fill you in on what the podcast is about yeah what is this about again yeah this
is called morbid oh okay it's not gonna be a happy ending so two years later he also got probation for something violent
that we don't have the details about but it involved money and theft and there was some kind of violence involved okay
so we got probation for that he served 12 months probation and he followed this up with two more larceny charges and
nine more months of prison time so suddenly he is like just stacking up that prison time yeah this is around the
time when he left his wife Ethel just up and left her and then he moved to London
by himself at this point he's 29 years old and he is back in prison for theft for nine
months then he moves in with a woman named mod and he goes back to prison for six
months and this time he got hard labor he was sentenced to hard labor for assaulting
her oh man this is why I believe that even though we don't have I couldn't find actual documented things that said
that he heard Russell I am sure he heard yeah what are the chances uh yeah this was the first time he did that exactly
and also he didn't just assault her he beat her in the head with a cricket bat and then he was charged with Grievous
bodily harm and he claimed he was only testing out the bat why test it playing Cricket yeah that's wild what kind of
you like you just come out and are like out like you're like officers I was testing out the bat I don't see
what the problem is like what you think they're gonna be like oh good sir I'm sorry yes like how how's
the bat would you recommend I get one exactly it's like you beat your wife over the head with the you evil [ __ ] my
God so in 1933 he stole a priest's car which is like very odd apparently they were like kind of friends and he stole
his car and he got three more months in prison so now this guy is just not afraid of prison yeah he's just like
he's spending summers in prison at this point especially after the hard labor stint that's what I'm saying I figured
they were like dude all right like give him hardly seems like you like prison yeah let's uh turn it up a notch let's
make it not a great place for you and he's like nah just bring it on yeah he's good loving it
um no one's seeing a pattern here or thinking maybe they should tack on some [ __ ] years to these sentences like
they're just like yeah it seems like he's he's on a great path I guess like maybe so no one's looking at these past
charges back to back to back to back and being like I think we need to keep him in here longer right like just to see
so in the same year 1933 he suddenly asked Ethel to move to London and take him back
now she agreed and she moved back in with him oh Ethel I know poor Ethel now John and Ethel lived at 10 rillington
place and in 1937 they were still married but he was now visiting sex workers he was still cheating on her and
after all you know he was having these violent sexual urges too which no one knew about and Ethel was not complying
with what he needed and he was abusing these poor sex workers and then he would just come home to his wife
so like he's a literal monster and at this point his sexual proclivities were getting darker
he was becoming interested in necrophilia and would force yeah and he would force sex workers to play dead
sure yeah so he's at this point he's having this he's probably he's still being a shitty
husband he's doing all this [ __ ] to get in trouble with the law and he also has
this totally other separate life where he is like violently abusing workers behind his wife's back
now in 1939 he enlisted in World War II okay now he was given the job of a war Reserve police officer okay and that's
wild considering he had been in prison every other month for the past few years before that
I'm not really sure what happened here desperate times call for desperate measures I guess so for four years he
worked as constable and this is when [ __ ] gets really dark he started using his power as a police officer to stalk
women basically he would follow them take diligent and really creepy notes about their every move their appearances
document what they were doing where they were when he could find them when they were alone later they found a ton of
these in his home and it was horrific he was basically in trolling mode which is
what BTK used to call it now he also had an affair with a married woman at this point while he was married to Ethel this
was when he was working at the police station and her husband eventually caught them and beat the [ __ ] out of him
good yeah it's like that's a yay that is fabulous we finally have a positive here
he abruptly resigned from this job in 1943 and took another job as a clerk at the radio Factory
which is like a very different kind of situation I'm not there's nothing that says why he resigned
but maybe it was getting the shape beat out of them by a random husband and he was like maybe I should take this down a
notch I don't know now this is when he had more time on his hands and he started experimenting a
little oh boy he began playing with gas and how it could incapacitate someone this is when he began telling people
that his time in the military had given him the medical knowledge to perform abortions oh my God which was illegal in
the UK at this time uh so this is when we bring his first victim into play this was 1943 her name
was Ruth for uh Ruth first she was 21 years old she was Austrian she was working on the side as a sex worker at
the time but was also working at a Munitions Factory which is like military weapons okay
um John Christie claimed they met at a pub and he said he brought her home to the house he shared with Ethel by the
way she was out at the time and he said he strangled her during sex he said he first put her body under the
[ __ ] floorboards in their home but later he moved her and buried her body in the garden in the backyard
yeah this one he claimed was not planned very impulsive now of course with John this excited him and so he planned his
next one immediately because although this was impulsive he's now yeah so his second victim occurred on
November 8 1944 her name was Muriel Amelia Edie she was his co-worker at the radio Factory actually she was 32 years
old and she was constantly suffering from chest infections and bronchitis so he used this because he liked to prey
on people like he would find anybody's weakness and prey on it and he told her he could help her feel better he was
like oh my God I happen to have this homemade cure for bronchitis and chest infections so he brought her back to his
empty home because Ethel was out again and he gave her what he was referring to as his like his special inhaler or his
like nebulizer treatment essentially he had a tube that was connected to a jar and it was connected to her mouth
and then there was another tube that was behind her this tube behind her was hooked up to a
gas line I knew that was coming yeah so she unknowingly inhaled carbon monoxide so she passed out because he just
poisoned her and once she was out he strangled her and raped her at the same time okay yeah she died while this was
happening I would like to just officially get off the Seesaw yeah off of the John train I had a feeling like
uh get out of there really quick it's not a great place to be it's just yeah very difficult to hear yeah he's a
really bad one so he buried her in the same Garden as Ruth now 1948 this is when he met Beryl Evans
now she and her husband found out that she was pregnant with their second child and they were unable to care for another
baby they already had one daughter a baby named Geraldine and they weren't really even able to care for Geraldine
they were very their finances were very strained they had a very tumultuous relationship they were not in any
position to have one child okay they fought constantly there had been infidelity the entire situation was a
mess so Barrel was panicked about another child and she was looking to terminate the pregnancy
they happened to live in the flat above John Christie and Ethel so she told them
about her issue one day she just happened to be talking to them and she was like I don't know what to do and
John told her well I can help you I can help you procure this abortion if you need it
so November 8th 1948 Timothy her husband came home to find his wife and child not
at home so he asked his neighbors if they had seen them and John told him that he he
was like you know what Barrel had come to me she came to terminate the pregnancy but because she had tried
several at-home methods before this because she had she had tried to terminate the pregnancy herself at home
okay he said because she had done that she went septic and she died during the procedure I tried to do
Timothy had a very low IQ of only 70. he accepted this as fact he preyed on them mainly because of that
he knew that he was going to take whatever he told him and he was just going to go with it oh man and he
convinced him to not press charges because he told him it wasn't his fault it was an accident I was trying to help
her she was the one who did this it wasn't me so and he told him you know what well
you go why don't you go to your parents house go live with your parents for a little while grieve figure out what's
going to happen I have this loving couple who's going to take care of baby Geraldine for you oh no yeah
but Timothy's family when he went back to them were very confused by all of this and rightfully so of course this is
a strange story to tell his mother especially was not buying this casual medical malpractice that he was selling
so she was like wait what happened now like tell me the story again he went over it again with her in more detail
explaining exactly what how John had told Tim Barrell died and she was like no like and like we just request maybe
some police presence here yeah like this even if this is detective involved yeah
because it's like even if this is how that happened why are we just going with it yeah why are we just taking your word
for it yeah we need a third party here exactly so she convinced him to report it and they did report what happened on
November 30th good now Timothy thought that John had honestly tried to help them like he fully convinced him like he
was just trying to help us he had our best interest in mind so he felt like a weird loyalty to him so he told the
police that it was him that he had given Barrel abortion pills and accidentally killed her himself oh no he told them he
hid her body in a sewer drain because he was scared whoa wait what yes but when they went to look they didn't find her
because he didn't do that why would he do that he still has a daughter I know so I think it's like him just panicking
I guess and not knowing and if you know he thought this guy was doing him a favor he's trying to
take it off him a little bit he has a weird loyalty it's there's a lot here to unpack for sure yeah
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and of course they asked us so they go they look they don't find her body where he says it's going to be so they come
back and they're like we're not really convinced that this is the real story so like can you tell us
the truth and he broke down and told them about John Christie so he was like that wasn't the real story actually this
was the real story okay so they were like okay so December 2nd 1949 they searched rillington place because they
were like if it was John Christie we have to go search this apartment and after using a piece of metal so like
Ethel came out and was like hello officers she gave them a piece of metal to use to pry open the shed in the back
Garden because they couldn't get it open so she was like offering them like sure
yeah I mean she doesn't know there's two women buried in the garden exactly so she's like sure well when they did this
the smell was unbelievable I could only imagine and this isn't even what you're thinking this is so they're smelling
decomposition immediately and there they found in the shed the bodies of barrel and baby Geraldine
oh no yeah when they found them Barrel was wrapped into I know I'm sorry watching stranger things and just in my
own world right now I know I brought you into this dragged me up here I apologize
I love you I thought you and Ash did like fun podcasts or something I'm not a listener so I don't really know what you
guys do I know isn't it weird that I'm actually wearing a weirdo shirt I put this on not
knowing I was gonna be doing this on the podcast right um but yeah here I am yeah here we are
just this is a rough one yeah I know we're doing this right before bed too yeah no it's like it's actually great
timing yeah I actually don't listen to the podcast after a certain time for that reason and some people listen to it
to fall asleep I know I know and congratulations to them but if it hits about six o'clock I'm out yeah I guess
no offense it just messes up my dreams honestly we don't like to record it at night because of that too so cool so an
experience for both of us yeah all right this will be the one night that our youngest sleeps yeah she's acting up all
night for multiple nights in a row but she'll just sleep like a baby tonight and I'll just be staring at the sailing
with my eyes wide open just thinking about John Christie just one wondering why you couldn't do like a fun little
podcast about yeah fried dough or something fried dough what a great podcast actually that fried
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everything now I don't know if you know that I I bet if we looked although probably not a fried dough podcast I
don't know if we looked hard enough we might be able to find one would you listen email in do you want to hear
John's fried dough podcast hey if you want to hear it let's do it let's go if we can eat fried dough while doing it
I'm down uh so you know back to this let's get back on track let's go back to this
terrible terrible thing so when they found Barrel she was wrapped in a tablecloth she was bound the tablecloth
was bound with cording and she was initially hidden under the sink there was wood planks that were like
leaned up against the sink kind of hiding her yeah when they found baby Geraldine on the other side of the room
she still had a man's necktie wrapped around her oh God yeah I know I'm sorry for that
um they didn't know it yet but on November 8th 1948 John Christie had knocked Barrel out using his famous gas
and he had raped her and strangled her at the same time which would become his Mo and she had died during this process
but police were honing in on Timothy at this point for obvious reasons he's the spouse he had already lied it doesn't
making the impossible decision yeah it just and then it led to all of this just heartbreaking and it gets more
heartbreaking with the Timothy story it really does and he had changed his story
a few times at this point so they were really honing in on him because they were like remind me again they already
have a daughter right that's Geraldine oh Geraldine okay I wasn't sure if that was like the unborn baby
[Music] now oh this poor guy it's even worse so he doesn't have a daughter anymore no
now after the first story he told he said he killed so this is after that first story he told he then went back
and said he killed Barrel because of financial issues they were strained and they got a fight
and that's the way it happened yeah this confession happened but we don't know is
what led to this confession we don't know how he got here right because he went from I did it it was an
accident I gave her these abortion pills and they killed her I hit her in the sewer drain and they were like no you
didn't sure and then he went and said you know what John Christie did it he admitted it to me then when they found
the body suddenly it turned into I killed her because of financial reasons yeah no we don't know what led to this
confession a lot of people have a lot of feelings what might have led to this confession remember he had an IQ of 70
and he had told the police John Christie was the one who did it why now is he suddenly claiming responsibility
coerced maybe sure possibly now there's also a lot of police misconduct that we find out later in
this case that might make you think about it a little more shocking shocking now Christy was questioned and he can
denied everything which is wild to me because I'm like um it's in the shed but okay right now this
was I will say this Garden area was a communal area so I think it was it allowed them to be like well maybe this
is okay Timothy shed too maybe he can use it now he also made Ethel live for him so Ethel kind of gave him an alibi
that wasn't okay but she told police she and she also told police she was like I went into
that laundry shed every day multiple times a day but somehow I I never smelled anything which they were like
I don't know about that how big is this laundry shed it's just like a little shed like a little garden I think this
was like a holding place he was eventually going to bury them in the garden or possibly possibly because he
does he's really messy with this stuff and yeah it just doesn't make sense that Ethel would have been in and out of that
garden shed and maybe that's just part of The Alibi well and I wonder that's the thing I wonder if she was lying for
him because she was like well if he did this to them he could do it to me and I'm right and it's not like at this time
she was going to get a lot of help if she told anybody I mean if she's already willing to lie about where he was why
not just take it a step further and say I go in there all the time like and the bodies weren't there yeah so I think she
was really trying to save herself here which I you know it's a hard decision to have to make now the police believed
this they were like okay sure yeah you didn't smell it so they put Timothy on trial so
Timothy's trial was at Old Bailey which I have had a lot of cases that have had trials at Old Bailey lately I don't know
what it is maybe it's like Bailey who's like telling me like cases to do I don't
know she just wants her name on the podcast he does she's like she wants a shout out she's like I'm a legend to
bring me up so Timothy was charged with murder only for Barrel at the time um because that was the only one who he
had confessed who had killed so initially he was that was what they were going to charge him with it's very
strange yeah I mean they found together what are we doing but trials at Old Bailey could take like hours like
literally it's a very different kind of situation there um but yeah so as soon as the charges
went through he suddenly recanted the entire thing his confession that he gave that he killed her for financial reasons
he recanted it as soon as those charges went through didn't see that coming and suddenly I figured he just was like what
else do I have to live for like might as well just throw me away yes which I couldn't say I would blame him you're
right I mean you just lost everything but no he recanted it and he said it was a coerced confession that it wasn't
given you know in by any wholesome means and he said no John Christie did it he admitted that was that's the story that
really happened no one believed him so the trial continued and he went to trial January 11th 1950 and they changed it
and they only put him on trial for the murder of Geraldine now now I know you're like wait what like he
confessed a barrel what's good right but they said the baby's murder was so specifically horrendous because it's a
baby that they wanted to put him behind bars for it they were like this is the one we want to put him away for like who
cares about Barrel right like let's let's only worry about this if he had confessed to murdering Beryl then they
believed that he had definitely killed Geraldine as well it's not like somebody else killed Geraldine and he had to kill
Barrel I would agree with that so they also were worried that if they only went after him for Barrel it could be argued
that these two fought a lot and maybe she had provoked him into killing her this is an actual thought process yeah
but obviously a baby can't knowingly provoke anyone into murdering them so there's no ways I literally had no idea
what to say there it's it's wild like the thought process back then especially when it came to women was
like a real wild situation it was just like yes this woman probably just provoked him into murdering her but like
the baby couldn't have done that so let's that's a Surefire one now Christy was a star witness for the prosecution
John Christie the man that Timothy had said actually murdered Barrel like what something tells me he was like really
good in his testimony too he was a great witness and the prosecution was led by a
man named Christmas Humphreys love it yep they literally had the man who Timothy had said multiple times was
the real killer as the [ __ ] star witness they had him narrate the entire thing they were like tell us what
happened John and he was like well sit down everybody I can tell you now Ethel was also put on the stand and even
though she had told police that she had gone into that laundry shed a few times a few million times and
never noticed that smell now on the stand under oath she testified she never went into that
laundry shed not even once boom not even once this was never brought up so this happened she was like no I never
went in there the fact that on record she said she went in there a million times and never smelled it it was never
brought up that those are two very conflicting statements yeah so they just they knew what they wanted and they were
just plowing Straight Ahead yep that's exactly what it was and it's like that's a perfect example of it because it's
like it is well documented what she said in that police report she gave an interview she said something completely
different than what she said on the stand and not that's not Ethel's fault it's just she I think it's she was
abused I think she was scared when she gave that initial statement and then she probably realized I'm sitting under oath
I have to be truthful yeah no that all makes sense I can't imagine John is sitting there
very politely asking for an alibi and this is how we're gonna do things exactly I'm sure he was very threatening
and scary in that moment yeah and she felt like she didn't have another can't blame her at all but the fact that they
just gloss over it is inexcusable yeah and I do Wonder too like because when you read about Ethel
and you're like I feel like she wanted to get out of there she wanted to help but she just didn't know how and I
wonder if she did that under oath to make it something that they should have latched on to like she was kind of and
there's Witnesses and there's people of the law there maybe she just felt a little more confident to say
something it sounds like she might have been an abused yeah I think she was individual yeah so so I think she was
trying I think it was kind of a call for help on the outstanding yeah absolutely
no one helped her so Timothy was represented by free Borough stack or free excuse me free
Borough slack and company that was the name of the law firm sweet uh and they sucked uh in case you were wondering
they slacked house slack what did on this on this whole thing slack was very right they didn't look into John
Christie at all didn't look at his background and look at anything they just assumed Timothy was guilty his own
representation and they just like went about it like he was they were like let's just like go through the motions
this guy's guilty I don't know what to tell you I mean you know it's less work now apparently another witness that was
brought onto the stand was a carpenter or like a contractor that did work at the flats the Wilmington place
um he was the one who had actually pulled certainly he pulled like wood out of the floor and like replaced it and he
had actually pulled the wood that was used to hide Barrel oh yeah he had pulled that wood up so they brought him
on the stand to talk about like the kind of wood when he was there you know we need dates we just want to know when
this wood was pulled up so we can tell whether she was there at this certain time or not sure he couldn't get dates
right and just went with whatever the police told him to say I understand he was like oh that date matches okay sure
that one then he said he had not taken the wood out of the floors on the 11th but literally receipts showed that he
had not done it until after the 14th which was long after the murders so that means John went into that shed after the
murders before the bodies were found oh boy so it all just pointed to John still
even when they were trying to [ __ ] it up weirdly that one piece of evidence the
time sheet that showed this work and what it was done was lost from evidence oh man what are the chances they just
couldn't find it so weird it's so weird when when very vital and like case-changing evidence just disappears
yeah evidence that would just make you start your investigation from scratch yeah it's so weird it happens
um it happens sometimes and it's a very strange phenomenon yeah it's just a coincidence yeah it's very weird now
John Christie's appearance on the stand just Charmed the jury he Charmed the pants off of him he was a great actor up
there the judge literally presented this to the jury when he was like okay now go
deliberate he presented it like Timothy was guilty before they were even sent to
he was like go deliberate this place like this man this murderous man go tell us whether he's guilty or not your
choices are murder or murder murder that's basically or guilty now they only took 40 minutes to deliberate
um Timothy Evans was found guilty and he maintained his innocence to the very end
he appealed but he lost oh no he was hanged on March 9th 1950. oh and what was the trial again the trial was
is January 11 1950. oh so it was a quick process very quick and that happened back then especially at Old Bailey and
just in that time period yeah it's not like nowadays very quick turnaround to like when you were sentenced to when you
were hanged was like boom boom it was weeks oh man yeah we'll get back to that because his
family did get some kind of like a little bit of justice for him I would say okay
so December 6 1952 John resigned from the radio Factory December 14 1952 essel disappeared oh
yep I am shocked unfortunately no unfortunately now what we find out is that John had strangled her while she
was in bed sleeping this guy is just strangling he's a strangle going on he really is then he hid her under the
floorboards at their house he literally buried her under the floorboards in the living room of their house
he sold her wedding ring for money immediately after yeah now neighbors began complaining
about strong bad odors coming from the property so he started using really strong cleaning fluids and just being
like yeah I don't know it's so weird better be pretty strong yeah so everybody was like all you would smell
is like d-comp and bleach like coming from that house but nobody was no red flag there none now January 26 1953 he
forged Ethel's signature on documents to completely empty the money out of her bank account yeah yeah okay I feel like
I just thinking about the beginning of this podcast so I'm like you know so far so
good with John like I don't know John doesn't seem like he's a bad guy yeah he's a bad guy but you wouldn't have
been the only person so many people thought he wasn't a bad guy and then and it seemed like for most of his like
youth life he wasn't a bad guy or he wasn't showing it at least it really all of a sudden just like happened he just
went wild so no one's looking for Ethel well that's a perfect perfect little segue all right
because people were looking for us yeah they were like where is she Ethel must have some friends here she does a lot of
the neighbors like co-workers maybe yeah like people love duffel so people were asking where she was and John would just
tell people that she either moved he would tell varying stories she either moved back home or she was visiting
relatives which she did often so that was an easy one for him to say because that's why he was allowed he was able to
get women back to his home because she was gone a lot visiting relatives so he told relatives of hers he couldn't tell
them that she was visiting relatives he told them that she was very sick and she
couldn't even gather the strength to speak or write to them yeah yep now we come to his sixth victim at this point
this was Rita Nelson who was a 25 year old from Ireland she was blonde she was gorgeous she was very sweet she was an
artist she just seemed like a cool lady she was pregnant and the father had left
oh come on Elena what are you doing I'm sorry I know she was really heavy I know
it is I told you I told you this is a very heavy one I I told you this I don't know if you said it was this heavy I
mean I don't know how to accurately convey the heavy the heavy level of it when we're down with unborn children
it's it's bad yeah it's a bad one it is he's a bad guy but she was depressed and she
was wanting to terminate the pregnancy because she couldn't care for this show by herself but she didn't know what to
do now January 19 1953 she had come to London to visit her sister and they were out at a pub they're talking about you
know like what's going on in her life when she met John Christie he was sitting at the bar and he heard her
talking about her pregnancy and the issues surrounding it and he told her he could help her terminate the pregnancy
safely so he brought her back to his home the gas knocked her out and he raped her
while strangling her to death God this is just it gets worse is there a maybe like a child is waking up I need
to attend to or you're just gonna leave this is the doorbell ringing it's not did you order food I did not order food
at like midnight no I did not now he left her dead body on the floor with the cord still around her neck and went to
bed what is going on I feel so uncomfortable I know I apologize I get it now yeah I wasn't gonna make that my
Uber is here a joke but I get it now yeah see you get why leave yeah the vicinity immediately see they're so
uncomfortable you have you have the ash Vibes right now usually this is where Ash is like oh man I'm out it just came
I can't handle yeah the the pregnant I can't handle the pregnant I can't handle the sexual violence yeah it's just too
much it is it really is this is a really bad day I just wanna this is a really bad guy he's a really
really awful person yeah he's a dick you can say it he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] you can
say anything you want about him trust me part of the part of it is that we roast
these [ __ ] now he actually slept while her body was laying on the kitchen floor
like went to bed when he woke up in the morning he figured he couldn't use the garden anymore because people were
probably going to wonder why he kept digging holes in the garden and the floorboards were taken up by Ethel
because he had put Ethel in the floorboards so he hid her body behind a cupboard in the kitchen where there was
a pantry wow he had put a cloth around her head and tied the cord around it and placed her upside down
in a pantry behind a cupboard I mean at this point I can only imagine the only people coming into his home are
potential victims yes honestly he's not like having a poker night with his friends or something no I don't see that
at all February 1953 he meets Kathleen Maloney she's 26 years old she's a mother of
five with a troubled childhood they knew each other because she was a sex worker
and he had actually been involved with a friend of hers at one point she had been
around him several times and she had not been harmed so she was probably trusting
him at least slightly she had seen him around her friend she wasn't worried her friend wasn't worried he met her in a
Notting Hill Pub and told her he had a flat to rent and she was looking for somewhere to rent so he was like oh do
you want to come see it she was psyched don't go see it and she went back with him now she had been
drinking a little so he used the gas on her immediately because he was able to take control pretty quickly then he put
a rope around her neck and he raped her while strangling her to death like Rita before her he left her in the kitchen
overnight while he slept but he propped her up in a kitchen chair yeah he truly is and the next morning
she was hidden in the pantry behind the cupboard with a pillowcase around her head apparently according to the book he
had also thrown dirt and Ash on her which she hadn't done to any of the other ones we're not sure what the
symbolism was there or why he did that but he was not done so where is the family members of these people are these
people being reported missing they some of them are a lot of them are and then some of them were kind of like distance
from their family because they were yeah they were doing sex work and especially
at that time it was something that I'm sure a lot of family members were pulling away from them because he he
preyed on people who he knew he wouldn't have a lot of trouble yeah hiding them uh at this point I'm just hoping this
house isn't very big and he runs out of real estate honestly because it doesn't seem like anyone else is going to stop
him at this point no no the next victim was 26 year old hectorina McLennan she was homeless
so see we're seeing like this is what he's preying on people who are in like bad States here yeah she and her
boyfriend Alex were desperate just for somewhere to stay or even just even for a night and John prayed on this they'd
run into John at a pub and it took a few times of like seeing them at a pub talking to him finally he asked you know
do you want to stay with me while you're looking for a place and they were so thankful and they agreed don't mind that
smell yeah like well that's the thing so but they get there and they were like what the [ __ ] because John's Place was
also disgusting it was dirty the smell was unable to be imagined it wasn't this yeah that he's not a clean man wonderful
home to go into no it was putrid like putrid so they only they actually stayed a couple of days which I believe was
probably only to be polite sure because they left after a couple days they were like no now you would think okay good
they got out of there yes well March 6 1953 he ran into Hector Arena again and he offered her money for sex
she was desperate she went back to his home he offered her a drink trying to loosen her up and while she was drinking
it he put the gas tube near her because he was just going to try to do it like sneakily yeah in the vicinity but she
noticed and she freaked out so she ran out of the kitchen and he chased her when he caught her he choked her into
unconsciousness with his hands and then he gassed her all the way about uh he then tied a cord around her throat and
raped her he that he ended up killing her through this process he put her into the pantry
behind the cupboard with Rita and Kathleen he left her sitting up with her back facing the door in there
now Alex came looking for her her boyfriend sure but John denied this he was like she never even came to the
house I don't know what you're talking about so Alex just probably thought she was gone yeah I mean what is he gonna do
yeah now he tried to kill another woman through the same methods named Margaret Forrest because he told her he could
cure her horrible migraines which is terrible and terrifying she didn't show up though when he told her
to he had met her out and he was like meet me at my house here's the address meet me at this time I have something
that's going to cure it she didn't show up and apparently it happened twice that he
got back in contact with her and she was like sorry I just like something came up
and he was like cool that's fine come back this day she didn't show up that day either saved her life so she got out
man just by having cold feet exactly just and I mean I don't get migraines but I see you go through the migraines
and uh I could see how you would be very desperate to get rid of those absolutely
that's why it's so scary when you hear the methods he was using you're like all right I get I get it I get why people
were like all right I'll give it a try especially at this time he prayed on yeah you know people who are really down
on their luck and people who weren't going to be able to get because normally like now we're thinking about it we're
like no I would not go with this man to go have my migraines cured but these were people who also weren't yeah they
weren't having access to proper Medical Care yeah exactly so they were having to
go to these like back alley treatments that's the only thing they had to do and it's like so they were desperate you can
understand why they were like okay this nice gentleman he was always dressed nicely like everyone said he always
dressed like a gentleman he came off like a gentleman he was good at getting them to believe he was legit yeah and he
seemed to be willing to work at it too and he was talked to people for multiple nights exactly like he would put in the
work and then he was also a military guy I'm sure he could showcase that in some
way oh yeah you know I served my country I learned this in the military I was a police officer in the military that's
going to put a lot of people at ease sure now the smell of decomposition in his home was becoming overwhelming even
for him so he moved out of that flat on March 20th 1953 he did not take any of these
bodies with him he just left the flat just abandoned it well he left and then he decided he was just going to scam
some renters that came in after him so he actually brought people into there and was like yeah I don't know I think
mouth like some mice died in the walls and he just assumed that No One's Gonna open a floorboard or look behind a
cabinet No One's Gonna look in the pantry behind the cupboard right so he collected rent from some renters that he
brought in there but he wasn't a landlord he couldn't do that like so he just scammed them and then the landlord
found out and was like why are you guys living here like I didn't have you come here I'm not taking your rent and he
made the move out within 24 hours so he scammed these people into coming in took
their money and then had them kicked out of the house within 24 hours now the upstairs neighbor that moved in
after Timothy and Barrel moved out um he was a man named Beresford Brown and he was allowed by the landlord to
use some of John's rooms because it was now an empty flat at this point they hadn't rented anything right right and
he I think some work was being done to the flat upstairs so they said you know while that's being done you can use some
of those things down there like the kitchen you know whatever and one day he was trying to hang something and he said
he heard a hollow noise when he walked now when he knocked on the wall and he's like this is weird so when he
investigates he's like pulling back the like the wallpaper he's like making a hole in the wall and he said I suddenly
found this like Pantry or crawl space Oh no and he came across the bodies now he
called police right away and they were like well [ __ ] because remember he had been really involved in the barrel and
Geraldine Evans trial and murders I was gonna say they're like oh that's the sign we gave the great testimony yeah
that's our story to hear his story about this one yeah great what happened here so they searched the place and they find
essel in the floorboards all the bodies in the pantry slash crawl space and two literally lost count as to how many we
were at at this point well and then they find two bodies in the gardens out back
because remember those were the first victims I believe at this point three four five we're at six
where it's six victims that they found and then we have eight all together with barrel and Geraldine
now they walked so this is wild so they find the two more Bodies In The Gardens out back want to know what tipped them
off about the Bodies In The Gardens because why would they think to just look in the garden sure they walked
outside and they noticed a femur leaning against the fence sure just a femur yeah it was being used
to hold up a rickety part of the fence the human femur oh wow they found a tobacco tin full of hair in his house it
was determined to be pubic hair oh and it was from four different women none of which were in the pantry or crawl space
so who the [ __ ] does this belong to good night everybody that was the episode yep
now the coroner determined the women in the crawl space had all been victims of carbon monoxide poisoning and had been
raped they all had the pink skin which was a Telltale sign of the CO2 poisoning right he said they all died at the hands
of a sexual sadist Ethel was the only one not gassed and the coroner determined she had been manually
strangled with his hands oh my God so personal in another horrific fact about this discovery was that he had placed
cloths between all of their legs after they had died now this was because death causes
incontinence and since he was raping these women as they died it would have been a problem
he was a necrophiliac even though he vehemently hated anyone referring to him as that he would say no I am not no
please do not put that on me I have many things sir but I am not a necrophiliac it's like that really really and you are
you have crossed the line you killed women and raped them as they died that's being a necrophiliac and made sure they
were unconscious too exactly you needed them to at least look down at least act the part yeah now Scotland yard's
biggest Manhunt to date began now because now John Christie is nowhere to be found after they search this place
John was on the run in hiding he was watching the coverage about the murders and he's gonna say I wonder if he like
saw the uh oh yeah flat being flooded with officers and investigators and bolted oh he definitely saw it he was
trying to stay like one step ahead of the law then 10 days after the Manhunt began on March 31st 1953 he was one
wandering around the River Thames and a police officer noticed him and asked for
ID because he had made a great effort to change his clothing that they were saying he was wearing that he like tried
to disguise himself basically so he gave a fake name but the police had been told
that the real identifier of John Christie was a massive forehead and it comes back so the police officer
asked him to remove his hat and when he did the police officer said sir you are John Christian I know it and he was
arrested and his identification showed he was indeed John Christie he also had on him a newspaper clipping about the
murders of beryl and Geraldine oh yep that's smart yep now newspapers at the time I was looking through
newspapers.com because you guys know that's like my favorite thing to do and I could have gone for like days more on
this thing because there's so many insane one of the newspapers called him Mr murder
in so many of them that I found called him this is what the like the exact phrase they used to describe him the
balding 54 year old that's like all of them just start out right off the bat being like let's [ __ ] with you yeah
let's just it's one headline was Scotland yard men quiz balding clerk about murder case which I'm like wow we
are really going at him for that air situation he was also referred to as the sex mad sadist of Notting Hill another
paper also referred to him as an amateur photographer specializing in nudes I looked into this I could not find
anything else about this so I was like newspaper are you okay right like what was that about like he was not that
because John Christie could be like a pretty common name I guess in this person just like really messed up in this
situation either way when they brought John in he denied everything of course until they were like
so we found the bodies in your flat and then he was like okay so maybe I did that but and he made statements about
four of the murders but he had excuses he was like listen they were Justified he also well at this point he also
didn't realize they had found the two bodies in the garden either so he thought he got away with those uh so he
said because that's going to make a big difference because that's that's going to be fine well he's singing I can
explain away these four and maybe I'll get out of it right right so he said he strangled Ethel while she with a
stocking while in bed because he said he she woke up in the middle of the night and she was convulsing and choking out
of nowhere in the middle of the night and he said he couldn't get help so he just had to like finish the job real
quick he would just kill her mercy I guess and he said he then tried to claim that Ethel had attempted suicide and he
thinks that she had choked you know he was saying said he had tried uh she'd tried to do it again and had choked on
the pills by accident because he found his sleeping pills were empty the next time I hate when that happens yeah and
he had no proof to do like to show them of this but like his word you know important he then admitted that he left
her dead body in the bed for days before moving it to the floorboards which I don't know if he thinks that's
going to help him here by being like well yeah I left in the bed for a few days now Rita he claimed tried to extort
him for money because now he's just gonna blame the women uh and they go he said we got into a physical altercation
in the kitchen where she accidentally fell on some rope and died yep so you really thought you should
have seen it she just fell down the Rope just like flung up wrapped around her neck it tightens yeah it was like a
poltergeist I tried to get to it but it was just too late yep and he said and you know what like he gave um an excuse
that's never used this is a very uncommon excuse to use he said he blacked out and doesn't remember it
which never gets used I never know they never use that blackout and I don't remember it thing and by that I mean
they use it almost every time yeah he's probably the originator of it he probably is one of them
um but he said so they're like okay well you blacked out and you don't remember it but you just told us that she fell on
a rope and died and he was like oh yeah well I remember her falling on the rope and dying but like that's it
oh yeah and he had excuse me and it was always their fault and not his and a lot of blackouts happened he
was just blacking out everywhere and in fact he said Hector Arena refused to leave his flat when he asked her and her
boyfriend to and they got into a physical fight and she just passed out randomly couldn't tell you why she just
passed out randomly and as she passed out her clothing came undone oh come on and wrapped around her neck this is just
a pathetic effort this is literally what he said it's insulting like literally the police were like I'm actually
insulted by you right now of course he claimed that Ruth his first victim was over the house when Ethel was away and
news came that Ethel was coming home early so he's playing it like Ruth and him were having an affair and that Ethel was
coming home early so John was like you gotta go and she lost it and told him she loved him and she wanted him to
leave his wife for her but he said no everybody's life right now right and he said I told her no and they had sex and
he strangled her during it and he claimed with Muriel she had come to him and refused to you she had come on to
him excuse me and had refused to take no for an answer so he killed her too he was like these women just they just
can't help themselves around him they're all throwing themselves at me and I just
have to kill them to make them stop and they were like is this really like what you're going with like they were all
like we just want to be sure this is exactly what you want to go with and he was like yes sir
so they were like okay okay so they were like um what about Judge you with murder well they were
also like what about uh those two bodies in the garden that we forgot to mention
that we found as well and he was like oh yeah like okay let's talk about those I
guess so they were like okay yeah you did this you're the worst so he was placed into
Brixton prison while awaiting trial and he bragged about the murders he committed in there he told inmates he
was looking to have 12 murders under his belt and he bragged about being the worst serial killer at the time and it
was during these confessions to other inmates that he admitted how he had gassed them all that's how they found
out what he had done because he couldn't help himself in prison right yeah and and he was saying I got to I got to
eight and he's like ah I just wanted to get to 12. like what right are you kidding me
woof so he was very adamant about not being labeled in necrophiliac so like we said so he told everyone he only had sex
with the women as they were dying and not after they were already dead and they were like that is a necrophiliac my
friend right that's the same course that's the same thing and let's face it chances are
he did it again I do not believe him that he did not do it after now during these confessions he also slipped and
said that he murdered Barrel no he said Beryl had asked him to help her kill herself because she was so upset about
being pregnant so he said he did just that he said he he did that the next day he held he
helped her kill herself now of course the crown was trying to hide this confession because they [ __ ] up if
that's true of course so the crown is like oh yeah we can't let that one out because we just hanged a guy for that
so too who is stating that that exact thing happened by the way and now this guy is saying yeah that's what happened
right now they could never find the hair the owners of the hair in that jar oh really yeah they they said they they
couldn't figure out who it belonged to and he wouldn't tell them they even tested the bodies in the house and it
did not belong to them really I think one of them belonged to Ethel I think and that was it
so now they're like how many jars were there there was one jar but there was at least four women's hair and none of them
belong to the victims only only Ethel I think only yeah right right three sets of hair you have no idea who they belong
to but he said he didn't get to 12. yeah so there isn't like three no which is like maybe you got to ten
maybe you got to 11. right it was just like damn it I wanted to get to 12. yeah and we don't know because he was killing
he was TR he was like going to sex workers a lot he was abusing them he was preying on people he thought wouldn't be
missed maybe one is missed here yeah people who just didn't want to go back to his house to perform the ax and he
was like okay I guess I'm doing this here exactly and then he needed to bring something yeah you don't know home with
him it could have been a trophy a lot of these guys like a trophy I don't normally think like this you're making
me think I know terrible things I know that I do the stash too I don't just sit there being like I wonder where the
pubic hair came from no but here we are coming up with theories yeah theories about this I it's it happens here just
welcome to morbid now they spoke to his neighbors during all of this to go one and done just so
you know he's coming back I'm retiring he's coming back they spoke to neighbors during all of this to kind of get
information about what kind of man he was and wow were they colorful they all said he was a nice guy but they said he
was strange one neighbor said this is like my favorite one she said quote he wore an isolate yellow gloves and used
to tip his hat Broadmoor and hangings is too good for him Broadmoor was like um a
mental health facility yeah Broadmoor and hanging is too good for him the old electric chair from America is what he
deserves that would send him off with a few crazy Americans that's exactly what it is but then she finished it with that
would send him off with a few Sparks I'm like wow nice all right neighbor Association she got she got very like
literary with it it was insane now before the trial could be set he had to be determined fit to stand trial oh boy
and he definitely only tried to go for the insanity defense I could see that coming yeah the defense referred to Here
Comes the theatrics exactly there were defense referred to him as matter than a March Hare that's what they were going
with okay but the prosecution ordered a psychiatric evaluation to counter this because they believed he was not insane
and they knew that this was going to prove that sure now after all he had tried very hard to cover up the crimes
he had evidence that pointed to him and he had run from the law when he was caught
all the psychiatrists that tested John Christie were repulsed by him as a human being after they talked to him they were
like he's disgusting and I hate him literally a couple of them said he made them nauseous to talk to
and they couldn't find even one thing to like about him they were like I don't know what he does to get these people
into his house like that's a different person because we did not see it today wow now this is when people really
thought the whole mustard gas hysterical mutinous thing was [ __ ] and just for attention because some psychiatrists got
the whisper voice all of a sudden he resorted back to it and then some got a very normal very level speaking voice
depending on who he was trying to get attention from and also what questions were being asked when it got into the
nitty-gritty suddenly it went into I'm the victim here yeah yeah things he didn't want to talk about suddenly he
would whisper and you could barely hear him now he tried to fake personality disorders as well he would try to fake
multiple personalities or Detachment you can't really fake that like psychiatrists always know when you're
faking it they all knew they all determined he was 100 sane not one bit of insanity in there good yeah now old
bayley trial was June 20 22nd 1953. he was going to be tried for murdering Ethel that was what they were going with
because again it was weird they just would pick one thing and like really go for it there was very good evidence for
this particular murder so they just went with that one I mean finding bodies in his home to me is pretty good evidence
but like who am I the only thing that stinks is like the justice for the families that's the thing I'm assuming
even if these people are like down and maybe out of touch with their families once they found out what happened
they're gonna you just wanna hear that this person was responsible exactly are gonna get punished for it exactly but I
do get the point of like at that time one murder is ten murders like he's gonna be gone either way he's
gonna be hanged if he gets yeah if he gets it just sticks to the families well and apparently which is like very
different too they were able to kind of bring these other victims into it they could like hold them off to the side and
if they needed to they could bring those in so it was one of those like we got them we'll use them they ended up asking
about them actually in the trial so they didn't bring them in okay because they thought it would also help it was
actually his side that brought them in because they thought it would help the insanity defense by being like look
he's definitely insane right now he pled not guilty by reason of insanity obviously only a four-day trial happened
and when the verdict was returned it was only after um deliberating for an hour and 20
minutes okay they sentenced him or excuse me that he was found guilty and they sentenced him to death by hanging
all right the Chattanooga Daily Times said about this quote the jury Foreman said guilty sharply Christie's jaw
locked and his long fingers groped the Oak and rail before him until the knuckles gleamed white the judge wearing
the little black Square cap of death over his 17th century wig peered at him and Christy straightened to an almost
Guardsman stance he went gray white as the judge pronounced sentence in level tone which I was what a fabulous
paragraph thank you isn't it amazing I just got put right inside that courtroom me too I could feel everything I feel
like I could smell the courtroom his long fingers gripped the Oak and rail his knuckles turned white his jaw
tightened like the the judge wearing the little black Square cap of death over his wig fabulous and they said they
could notice that he visibly uh Blake got like cringed when he saw that black cap which apparently which I had no idea
I was like Wow in the theater that like they would put this cap on when they were gonna sentence you to death so it's
like you would see that and be like oh [ __ ] like that is it good I had no idea
that they did that no me neither no he was hanged within two weeks of this like very quick at Pentonville prison on July
15th he was um somewhere between 54 and 55 years old he was actually hanged by the
same executioner who hanged Timothy Evans oh wow Albert Pierpont now apparently he had told so when um when
John went to The Gallows he was like anxious and he told Albert the Executioner that he had an itch on his
nose that he couldn't scratch because of he was bound his hands were bound right
and Albert apparently said something to the effect of it won't be bothering you for long seriously like that's your
biggest concern right now what a like what is like what a burn nothing yeah and also what I like I'm not giving you
any satisfaction yeah do you think I'm gonna ask him if your nose or let you at your nose like you raped and murdered
women and kept them in your house you think I'm gonna itch your nose for you kidding like no oh my God now after this
happened so he's gone the end but it's not because an investigation into Timothy
Evans guilt before John Christie was hanged was already in motion good it only took 11 days for them to go through
this investigation and they barely looked into it it was a very rushed investigation that they basically did
just to shut everybody up and he was found still guilty oh come on but then two years later another investigation
was suggested after evidence came forward to suggest the first investigation was botched and evidenced
against Joan Christie was blatantly ignored because do you think yeah because they didn't want to bring to
light the methods used to get the confession from Timothy they were worried that was what was going to come
up now the inquiry there was another inquiry in 1965 and it concluded that Timothy
so basically this one it's he when I say he got Justice it's not full They concluded that Timothy strangled
Beryl but not Geraldine and that John Christie murdered the little baby Geraldine
so what are we doing again John Christie admitted to murdering Barrel several times so I don't understand what we're
doing here but he was pardoned posthumously October 18 1966. okay now a look into the police investigation was
interesting like I said like you're gonna see it and be like I don't know about that they discovered that the
police destroyed evidence in the barrel and Geraldine case destroyed it yeah they destroyed the necktie found around
geraldine's neck and they had no reason for this right there was no reason to destroy it they didn't blame it on like
a fire or something like that it's just no particular evidence from this particular case is gone yeah also a lot
of the interviews and reports from the case were terribly written and seemed like [ __ ] with basically then there
was the fact that they went to John Christie's home to search a couple of times and somehow missed a human femoral
bone leaning up against a fence and the garden right how did they miss that this
inquiry was led by high court judge Sir Daniel Braven and after reading through all of this he didn't find anything
wrong with it didn't didn't think they needed it happens man there's a dog bone yeah now people no dogs in the area like
no one questioned that the femoral bone is the largest bone in the human right that's you're not going to look at that
and be like though that's just a bone you're gonna be like that's a human femoral bone like it's very easy to
[ __ ] point out he couldn't find like and there was no extra pieces of lumber to hold up what was it
whatever but I think he liked it like I think that was his like he just wanted to be able to look out and see it
exactly and it was him like further shaming them and further like just messing with their legacy on earth like
he was just like I can use your bones to hold up my [ __ ] fence like he was so gross yeah this dude thought he was just
Untouchable he did because he was for a long time that's the thing he was given the power to believe that he was
Untouchable so that's the worst that police investigation caused how many deaths yep and a lot of people do
believe that there are more than the stated victims because of the whole like hair thing that's just real I just don't
understand yeah and there was also a lot like there's no other way to get that here other than that's the killing the
person exactly and there was there was a few large gaps between killings too at times
like at one point there was like 12 months between at another point that was like years between it happens we have
BTK to look at for that happening like we have like 30-year Gap in that one but more than likely with this guy it feels
like he needed that yeah and the BTK case is used a lot of times to be like see like they don't always like have
this cooling off period that like is that you know when it happens it can be long sure but I feel like he's the
exception to the rule more than the rules so like we can't really point to that to be like yeah that happens like
I'm sure it does but like very rarely and this guy seemed to be like yeah John Christian has not seen like the type of
guy that's like you know all of a sudden it's like oh it's been two years since I've done this
let me uh do it again yeah it feels like he needs to do it pretty often yeah like
he doesn't seem like he's settling back into like family life for a little while
like he's just seemed like a shitty guy that just was Non-Stop and he seemed like insatiable to be honest right so I
would be very interested to see if more came out of it but so far nobody else has been tied
to him but that is the horrendous uh story of John Christie wow the horrific serial killer who got another guy hanged
for some of his crimes amazing yeah you kind of just like do a listener Tales or something huh we just
had a we had to go deep go big or go home yeah I feel like you gotta be broken in like in
a big way you can't yeah you did that and you can't just like you you like to just jump into the pool you don't like
to like just walk slowly into the pool I hate walking slowly exactly I know this
about you I need to jump in I don't want to know what the temperature is of the pool I just let's find out did you not
just describe what happened here yeah you did not know the temperature definitely did not know the temperature
it probably wouldn't agreed to it probably wouldn't have agreed to a late night recording of it no definitely not
you could have helped me out with that I mean thanks for doing it I appreciate it
uh I think I'm gonna eat some ice cream now I'm gonna go retire and I'm gonna watch the office we can watch the office
to get our ourselves right again I'm gonna need about 16 hours of that yeah sure it'll be fine we don't need sleep
tonight it's cool our youngest usually doesn't let us sleep anyways so we're used to it yeah
Ash get better yeah I should get better if you try to make me record another one of these I'm
going to Ash's house and like forcing her to cough in my face and I'm just gonna get covered and then I'll just
have to stay over there and you just have to go to the next person in line I mean you had to dig deep to bring me on
no way I just had to look to my left on the couch or actually am I right I had to look to
my right excuse me I don't want to lie I had to look to my right on the couch but I appreciate you
you are anytime you're a ride or die apparently yeah because you know I was this ride or die I'll be honest you're
so ride or die that you don't ask where we're going or why we have to die you just yeah it's like where are we going
for the next 90 minutes let's go oh okay we're going down one of the worst stories ever so there's that cool well I
apologize to everybody I was um extremely nervous going into this you did great never did a podcast before
really you did great and uh hopefully Ash will be back and you'll have your regular scheduled programming in no time
you will don't worry but this was a fun little detour and it was fun to hang out
with you for an hour and a half oh it was fun to hang out with you for an hour busy lives yeah I don't know if we get
many hour and a half's together so to just sit and talk you know what I prefer some other things maybe get a dinner or
something sure but you do and I appreciate you but guys I hope you keep listening and I hope you
keep it weird you did it and I don't have Ash so not so weird that you do any of this because John Christie is
disgusting yeah not a great guy guys no to say the least [Music] thank you [Music]

Today we have someone special on the pod! It's John! Alaina's husband is filling in for Ash today while she recovers from being sick. What a trooper this guy is.

John Christie was a notorious serial killer who stalked, raped and murdered women in the UK during the 1940s and 1950s. His methods were torturous and horrifying. But what makes him even scarier was his ability to lie with ease and to ward off suspicion, even allowing someone else to take the ultimate blame for some of his heinous deeds. This monster will have you asking a lot of questions even after the trial is done.

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John Christie: The True Story of The Rillington Place Strangler by Jack Rosewood and Rebecca Lo

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Brief Summary

John Christie, a serial killer, manipulated victims and evaded justice, leading to wrongful execution of Timothy Evans.

Key points

John's Troubling Childhood. Exploring John's upbringing, including his overprotective mother and bullying experiences.
John's Obsession with Death. John's fascination with corpses began after viewing his grandfather's body at a wake.
John's Descent into Crime. John begins a pattern of theft and violence, leading to multiple prison sentences.
John's Manipulative Nature. He preys on vulnerable women, using their weaknesses against them.
Timothy's Confusion and Manipulation. Timothy is misled by John, believing he was trying to help.
Ethel's Alibi. Ethel provided Timothy with an alibi, but her conflicting statements raised suspicion.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

He started to hang out around graveyards and actually peek into broken crypts.

John's morbid curiosity as a child.

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