JonBenet Ramsey | Part 1 | Episode 336 | Morbid: A True Crime Podcast | Forensic Files

hey weirdos I'm Ash and I'm Elena and this is morbid [Music] it's morbid in the morning
morbid in the morning and this is a um a redo a remix a remaster we decided to revisit the JonBenet
Ramsay case because one there's been a little talk Of it in the news lately with the possibility of DNA testing
happening and I just thought we could do a better job yeah with this case I think
it um the original JonBenet episodes were recorded when we were recording separately too so the audio was like
really terrible and we just know that we could do it better yeah it just I I thought there's you know more stuff has
come out there's been there was stuff that I just didn't talk about or I felt like I rushed through so I figured I
would take the time to do what is going to be only a two-part it's not gonna go further than that we'll see two parts
I'm capping it at that because um we're going to talk about the crime we're going to talk about some of like the
crazy stuff involved in the crime and the crime scene the autopsy in part one and then part two we're gonna really
discuss the Intruder Theory um and we're gonna discuss some of the um suspects that have come out all right
so just putting it out there right now I do not know who killed JonBenet Ramsey yeah I'm not gonna say what my thoughts
are on that because I don't know yeah I wasn't there you guys so you know you you have yours I have mine we all will
thank them in our heads and then someday DNA will confirm one of them yeah that's
all but right now I just want to say that um John Ramsey jonbenet's father did launch a change.org petition where
he asked the Colorado government to allow an independent agency to test DNA found at Japanese crime scene okay and
it's pushing very hard to have that happen wow so there's that um they're still petitioning as we speak
police to allow parabon Nano Labs which we've heard before that's like a pretty uh big lab that will test like
especially old DNA um they're petitioning to have them test the DNA jonbenée's half-brother John Andrew is
also helping his father try to get this push forward nice um and in August they did
Joe Biden did put forward a law that they were like really the Ramses were really really like strong supporters of
that allows victims families to help reopen cold cases that's awesome so that was a big deal
um John Ramsey told Kiro 7 News quote we want to do whatever can be done technically and resource wise to find
the killer of our daughter and if we do that and we can't then we will have to live with it but we do know but to not
do it is Criminal and negligent and lazy the Boulder Police have said they are actively reviewing genetic DNA testing
processes to try to make this happen but it has not happened yet all right and I
think there was a lot of like Sensational news coming out about it recently that everyone's like we're
gonna know within hours what they were saying was if they give the DNA to parabon Nano labs they could
potentially have an answer in hours okay that's what they were saying because when they have not been able to at this
point it looks like they have not been allowed to do that yet given the green light or whatever we will all update if
and when that happens but yeah all right so I just wanted to start that and now let's talk about JonBenet Ramsey
JonBenet Patricia Ramsey was born August 6 1990 in Boulder Colorado she was born
to John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia Patsy Ramsey together they had JonBenet who was six at the time of this crime
and her brother Burke who was nine years old at the time of this crime John was the president of access Graphics which
is a computer company they were you know a very like well-off family they lived in like this beautiful like tutor style
home that home is beautiful yeah it's a really beautiful house but apparently it's like a very mace-like house a lot
of their their former housekeeper actually said that we'll talk about her in the second part for sure
um but she said it's like very Labyrinthian so it can be like very confusing to get around okay but not
ideal yeah but Patricia was his second wife he had three children from his first marriage a son and two daughters
one daughter Elizabeth actually passed away in a 1992 car crash oh I remember that yeah so that's like really sad a
lot of tragedy definitely Patricia Patsy was a former beauty queen from West Virginia she had held the title of Miss
West Virginia so that's like a big deal she was beautiful for sure oh yeah um this was a big point of Pride for her
she carried it down to her daughter JonBenet who also had entered pageants from a very young age like baby
had won America's Royal miss little miss uh what is it little Miss Charleroi Little Miss Colorado
National tiny Miss Beauty Colorado State all-star kids Cover Girl I think she's won more but that's like a good lineup
that I found there you go um I'm not going to share my thoughts on pageants pageants are definitely not uh
easy for a kid this age they're they're not just them walking out and being like
yay and then it's like that's it's like a lot of hard work you've seen toddlers in Tiaras I know it yeah I have not but
not you yeah but I know like I know you have she was wearing a lot of makeup uh were
very interesting in adult costumes at times I had a flip did she have a flipper yeah I was just gonna talk about
that actually she also had her hair lightened yeah it was like bleached um and I was just gonna say kids that
age usually wear flippers to cover missing teeth which I never understood because
it's normal and adorable for kids that are sick to have missing teeth that's like one of the hilarious and adorable
parts of six-year-olds it's not like you're like Old Miss California like showing up on stage with no teeth well
that's the thing so if these pageants are looking to like Truly find an adorable child who is age appropriate
and not a baby who has been turned into an adult then why would missing teeth matter in
the judging process I would not happen to know wouldn't it only help like to me that would only help because they're
children and they should be looked at as children and you should be like oh my God look at that cute little baby with
her missing front teeth like that's a baby that's cute we're supposed to be judging them based off of them being a
child but that to me just proves that they're being judged to look like an adult yeah 100 percent
which again I'm not going to share my thoughts on yeah that's that's why I just said yeah you know that I was
almost a pageant baby I don't I wouldn't allow that time no I know you know what's Wild my mom actually wouldn't
allow it to happen my grandma on my dad's side like really wanted me to do pageants and my mom was like I don't
think so you know what that checks out it does it checks out I think I'm not positive if my grandma on that side did
pageants but but she wanted you to she sure did because you were beautiful I don't either I don't either
so there was definitely some pageant mom behavior that was really focused on later when this case broke
it is unfortunate that that became the focus of this case I think yeah because that shouldn't be the focus the focus
should be just the fact that JonBenet yeah it's tough would you we all we all did it we all looked at this and we're
like what the [ __ ] is going on there like that was my first thought was like what is happening here I know that
people get really upset now like when you say it was a different time but it's literally just a fact it truly was Paul
is this Collective Society maybe not all of us but as a collective Society we all
were growing back then and growing to where we are now and I think we've got to a place where we can look at it a
little more like a little differently exactly and we can look at it like I think we've all seen that the media
doesn't give you the full story and I think back then we were looking at it and going holy [ __ ] this is it yeah
that's all like they're giving us all very very sensationalized yeah and it's like I think now we are better equipped
as a society at least slightly some of us yes to look at it and go okay that is part of
the story sure but there's more to this and I shouldn't really just take this at
face value of what's splashed on a tabloid exactly like let's dig a Little Deeper because I've seen and I know
you've seen in your research like particular sources you double check it and it's not even correct and it's not
correct that's the thing so I think that's the reason too why we want to redo some of these that we did even in
the beginning of the podcast absolutely because we even look at things differently absolutely by doing this
podcast I feel like I look at things differently so that's why some of these are being redone because it's just like
I can look at this differently and more complete now yeah and I feel like I can give a better like I can give you guys
something better to look at and make your own decision on yeah I mean three to four years ago like yeah you do you
do change a lot especially when you're doing this day in and day out yeah and I think it's I like to go into things now
like less with like this is what I think happened even if it's you know I mean I'm more like here are the facts make
your own yeah it's like I'm I just want to try to give you what happened and be like you guys have you know until we
have definitive answers this is all we can go off of theory but no matter what it's really hard to argue against the
fact that there was 100 some pageant mom Behavior here yeah like a six-year-old's
hair in my opinion and I would hope a lot more people's opinion should not be lightened no I don't agree with that at
all like I agree with you yeah um and I a lot of the pictures are very disturbing to look at in my opinion
that's just me I think I think a lot of them are very disturbing but that doesn't mean that anybody you know
that that doesn't make anybody a killer no it's just absolutely not you know a questionable Choice that's all but a
story that did stick with me that I read in a couple of sources was that um her friend actually came over once
and she noticed jonbenet's numerous trophies and crowns and all that and they were in this very like big case all
displayed and the friend was like wow those are so pretty like wow yeah and she so she said this to JonBenet and
JonBenet said they're not really mine they're more my mom's trophies that broke my heart into pieces and that was
like yeah that's bad wanted to have that realization at like five six years yeah
like this isn't for me this is for my mom and it's like I do know that that happens a lot that people will try to
live vicariously through their kids yeah don't do it yeah I think a lot of times
it happens and parents don't realize well that's the thing sometimes I think it's completely like I think they I I
believe that Patsy probably convinced herself that jonbodie loved doing this absolutely because she loved doing this
so it's and it's a thing they can do together a lot of la la but you know there's that now people who knew the
family uh very well say that she wasn't forced to perform she wasn't forced to do this she just loved being on stage
she could be shying quiet outside of that but she really loved the stage she like flourished on there try theater
yeah um according to the Denver Post family members said about JonBenet one of her
uncles actually said the beauty pageant thing that was a very very small part of
her life 99 of her life was spent as a typical six-year-old what we see on TV and in pictures that's not who JonBenet
was and that's sad and I think that's another thing that the media does is I'm sure there are photos of JonBenet where
she looked like champagne exactly she wasn't all done hop in a big glitzy crown and dress and everything like
exactly let's show a picture of her and her friends you know I know that's the that's cool picture yeah and it's like
that's the thing and they do that with a lot of these cases where they'll only show certain photos that kind of go to a
certain image and it's like you know she's a brutally murdered six-year-old yeah can we show photos of her that are
like like you said like her just being a six-year-old right like do we have to Splash all those to further perpetuate
like pedophiles and like people who will take those in a way that they shouldn't
like we really don't need to do that like just show her as a six-year-old so everybody can be like wow that like
start like actually grieve for her right but you know whatever now in the same article she's described
as being a very loving spunky and very kind child she loved Fruit Roll-Ups and anything with sparkles she also would
give presents to Santa to thank him for gifts that he had gotten her that's like
she was that sweet her teachers and friends at school all described her as positive very intelligent neighbor said
she was helpful and just adorable like a sweet little light to have around yeah and I'll get into like the there's like
Santa theories and stuff in this that's gonna happen in part two oh I don't even
remember those yeah there's one man Bill McReynolds who got like put on the suspects list by theorists basically and
he was like this he would play Santa at the parties and actually she gave him uh
and I'll get into this more in part two but I'll just mention it um she'd given him a vial of uh gold
glitter oh and he took it into his heart surgery with him yeah because he said it
was like he said like he was like she just like her kindness really touched me she was just and he was like old and she
he was and he talked about it later and was like she was just like she really like touched me she was just like a
sweet little girl and like gave me that because she thought I was Santa people love to read into things and I'll again
we'll get more into that whole Theory again but it does it's kind of a bummer that like
everything gets twisted in this case no matter what uh so December 25th 1996 Patricia John
JonBenet and Burke went to a Christmas party at a very close family friends home this home was at the White's home
that was a fleet in Priscilla white they were very close family friends JonBenet you know she partied she had
some food she hung out she opened presents then she fell asleep on the way home in the car so her parents you know
did what every parent has done before John carried his sleeping daughter to her bedroom yeah uh she went to sleep
wearing white Long John type leggings and a white long-sleeve T-shirt with a silver sequined star on the front of it
cute now December 26 1996 this was very early according to Patricia she woke up in the five o'clock
hour in the morning and she found a two and a half page handwritten Ransom note on a staircase
at the bottom of the staircase when she went down there like woke up brushed her
teeth walked down there this is what she finds uh the note claimed to be from a kidnapper who claimed that they had
JonBenet they wanted money for her safe return but it was a very strange long threatening weird Ransom note yeah
it was then that she said that she said she ran upstairs found that JonBenet was
not in her bed and then woke up John now this is what the ransom note said Mr Ramsey listen carefully we are a
group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction we respect your business but not the country that it
serves at this time we have your daughter in our possession She is safe and unharmed and if you want her to see
1997 you must follow our instructions to the letter you will withdraw 118 thousand dollars from your account
remember that number 100 100 000 will be in a hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty
dollar bills make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank when you get home you will put the money
in a brown paper bag I will call you between 8 and 10 a.m tomorrow to instruct you on delivery the delivery
will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested if you want if we monitor you getting
the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup
delivery of delivery and that was like kind of exed out pickup of your daughter um
any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will be denied her
remains for proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise
you do not provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police FBI Etc will result in your
daughter being beheaded if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies if you alert Bank Authorities she dies if the
money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies you will be scanned for electronic devices if and if any are
found she dies you can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with
law enforcement countermeasures and tactics you stand a 99 chance of killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us
follow our instructions and you stand a hundred percent chance of getting her back you and your family are under
constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow a brain John you are not the only fat cat around
so don't think that kid that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us John use that good good Southern common
sense of yours it's up to you now John Jesus and then it says Victory exclamation point s b t c s b t c
there's a lot of so I saw a lot of people talking about how this seems like something that they
got out of like a movie like a detective magazine it's outrageously long a lot of people mentioned why did they
say like bring an adequate size attache to the bank like why does that matter why would you
even write that what even is an attached egg a bag of some like something to put
the money in and I'm like you're sitting here kidnapping a child and you have time to write out attache that's the
thing and it's like and then um what was the other like uh I saw in a couple of sources they were talking
about like be well rested like how is he going to be well rested you've kidnapped his
child and also like why do you care yeah like why does that matter that's a weird
thing to write the 118 000 is the strangest amount and very low for a ransom of an actual human child
um there's also the like um when they say uh hold on let me see the when they say you stand a 99 chance of
killing your daughter if you try to outsmart us why are you only putting it at 99 right like you've you've said if
he tries to outsmart you this is gonna happen this is gonna happen this is gonna but now you're being like there's
a one percent chance you could [ __ ] outsmart us it's like who's gonna give that up like these guys are being like
we'll [ __ ] kill your daughter don't [ __ ] try to [ __ ] with us and then they're like but you have a one percent
chance of [ __ ] outsmarting us I have never ever ever thought that this letter was real no I don't at all and then
um people have pointed out that it begins with Mr Ramsey but then at the end it says don't try to grow a brain
John right so suddenly we're on a first name business you started this out with Mr Ramsey one what about Mr why wouldn't
you write Mr and Mrs Ramsay oh don't worry they wrote that in the practice note yeah they wrote Mr and Mrs Ramsey
but this one's only to Mrs Mr Ramsey uh they also it's weird I saw people pointing out that it's weird that they
said we respect your business because you don't you said we don't like your business and we don't like who you work
with and also like again if you're you kidnapped his daughter for ransom and you're claiming you're gonna
behead her right like and you're saying like we respect your business like why would you even let that out if you did
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found in the home written on Patsy's notepad weird this note came from a notepad Patsy's notepad that
was in the home it was written by a pen that was on the counter so they didn't come in with paper in a pen they found
one in the house which again if you're going in to kidnap a child like you would think quickly you would come
prepared with a ransom note that's the thing you're not going to write the ransom note in the house
during all the Mayhem no you would bring the ransom note with you right and you would not leave the pen behind that you
used to write the ransom note yeah these are the these are the pieces of the puzzle that people
Peter Piper picked a peck well I said a lot of Peace you did uh these are this is the piece of the puzzle that people
do not understand yeah how you explain this part and I don't and the practice that's the thing and I would love to
know if it was ever asked like where do you keep this pen or not this pen excuse
me this pad of paper they did ask they it was sitting on the counter in like a little like the pen was in a little cup
and it was like out there okay okay um but on another piece of paper in the pad detective Jeff kethart who was the
handwriting expert for the Boulder Police later found a started and abandoned Ransom note that said and it
said one of them said Mr and Mrs and then a line and it appeared that they'd started to
write an R but had stopped it was like a line to begin an R sure so the first one
says Mr and Mrs like not only did you come into this house without a ransom note and took the time to write this
Ransom note there but you didn't even know who you were writing it to right like you actually at First were like I'm
gonna write this to both of them then you're like um no I'm gonna write it to him why wouldn't you write it to both of
them well that's the thing no because I think because it wouldn't fit the narrative that this was business yeah
now John received a bonus of exactly a hundred and eighteen thousand dollars for that Christmas yeah which people
have pointed to and I originally pointed to as there you go that's how would anybody know that but I will say the
bank statement was out on the counter okay so someone could have seen the amount deposited and they could have
used that as like and here's my thought process on that because I'm just trying to give all angles here just with facts
they could these whatever Happened Here whoever did this there was no Ransom ever being this was never a kidnapping
no in my opinion this was never this wasn't up kidnapping that went bad this was never a kidnapping they would
have come into the house with a ransom note the end right so this was all supposed to be staged so
they might have just looked at that 118 and were like all right use that number right like it's just like they didn't
want that money they didn't think they were getting that money no they never called to get that money no there just
was never that happening so if if this is an intruder then they could have looked known they had to do this quick
and looked at that and said okay 118 000 just went into his bank account I'm gonna write that like that they could
have just done that exactly or it can be someone closer that knew that that money was
there and that could have been like a business you know yeah but there's that wouldn't you also think though I I don't
know about the like it was the banks up on the table but wouldn't you think that
you would ask for more because you're like oh if he just deposited that much into his account then you must have more
probably has money and like you're looking around this beautiful home that's the thing the 118 is a very
strange even if you didn't see that on the table right but exactly but then it's like if this is like somebody who
hates this business and is like a business arrival maybe that's like a that's like a a pinpoint to be like like
I was supposed to we know what your Christmas bonus is okay that's what we want for your daughter but it's again
very strange because it's like for a human that is a very low Ransom it is and and for somebody who is wealthy
well and that's the thing like if you know him and you know him well you know that he's wealthy and why wouldn't you
shoot your shot to get more yeah that's the thing in my opinion no it's true it doesn't I it doesn't make a lot of sense
the other thing is this is a [ __ ] long note yeah religion notes are not long did you say
it took like 21 minutes to write it took 21 minutes to write this in the house that is crazy and it was two and a half
pages long yeah no like usually a ransom note is like a piece of paper the FBI literally said that this is an
unprecedented yeah Ransom they've never seen something like that before because yeah nothing and in 2015 former Boulder
Colorado police chief Mark Beckner said quote the FBI told us they'd never seen a 2.5 page Ransom note no note has ever
been written at the scene and then left at the scene with the dead victim at the
scene other than this case and wouldn't you also think that you would take the practice note with you
that's throw it in the trash even do something right and also if you are now trying to make this
like get the money like if you're really trying to like stage this you would take
her out of the house of course you would so that you could still pretend that she
was alive you wouldn't leave her in the house so that they find her and then the
ransom thing is over right unless your thought process is we don't actually want the money we just want to
hurt him and we want him to find his daughter yeah there's sides but to me it's strange but why would you go
through the whole entire business exactly like no and why would you even write the answer I just think it would
be like a completely if you were gonna sit down and write a letter and we all know that she was in the basement you I
think you would write a very different cruel letter like right like here are the steps to go is that yeah that's the
thing terrible you know and again like that's a long time to sit in someone's home in the middle
of the night right after killing their six-year-old daughter yeah and just taking 21 minutes to write a note and
presumably like holy [ __ ] into this presumably also stopping for a snack yeah or just like it's it's very strange
it's very strange and again 21 minutes like 20 what what Intruder does that no that's a lot of people have a lot of
that's the part that people are having trouble wrapping their brain around of course and I continue to have trouble
wrapping my brain around it some of the stuff you can sit there and go okay I can go to an intruder fairy with this
like I can go somewhere else with this but this I don't understand this no but like I mean strange things happen but
this is real strange so experts think the note writer intended to disguise their natural
handwriting they don't think that this was their their organic handwriting they were trying to disguise it a 1997 Vanity
Fair article spoke to quote an investigator closely involved with the testing of the ransom note and they said
that they analyzed 74 handwriting samples and Patricia Ramsey's handwriting was the only sample that
quote set off alarm bells oh so there's that in 2001 handwriting analysis um or excuse me analysts Larry Ziegler
and Gideon Epstein thought Patricia could be the writer of the note okay handwriting um and excuse me Colorado
Bureau of Investigation report said quote and this is the Colorado Bureau of Investigations or report said quote
there are indications that the author of The Ransom note is Patricia Ramsey so there's a lot of people looking at it
and saying that they believed that she might have written it but on the other hand handwriting analysis
can be a little funky iffy yeah and even in their reports like it's not definitive none of them are saying she
is absolutely 100 exactly but weird it if you look at her handwriting next to this handwriting it is pretty
it's pretty close and there's a lot of little little things quirks handwriting quirks that they look at that are the
same throughout I remember watching I think it was a few years ago I actually think it was right around the time that
you uncovered this case um I remember seeing the handwriting myself yeah and the comparison it's very
similar it is but then you have to it's that these are the things that you can look at both sides yes absolutely
because they're not definitive but they are slightly damning in some ways so it's like one of those things and again
like what that person wrote could set off alarm Bells yeah exactly so there's that that that is the thing and that is
the remained a thing that her handwriting is very similar it's the only one that made them really go hmm
did she ever say anything about that that you know of she'd always denied any of that and like you know would say the
same thing we're saying that like people's handwriting can look and if they were disguising their handwriting
then that's not my handwriting right so there's that and people do have similar handwriting oh for sure absolutely now
Patsy called 9-1-1 at 5 52 am after she got in we're going to get into the 911 call but after she called she
immediately called friends and family right after the note said specifically not to do any of that or your daughter
dies right and that we are watching you like monitoring I get that this may just
be Instinct that you need to call people because you're panicking yeah but if a note says your daughter is
going to be beheaded and we're watching you don't call anyone except 9-1-1 yeah like
get a police officer there I like you know what I mean like I understand that and that's that's the other thing about
this case is it's easy to look on the outside and say why did you do this but we don't know when
you're in the actual Panic of like your child being missing so you can go okay some of these things
can be a hysterical parent absolutely that just makes that decision other things questionable uh-huh for sure
now Kimberly Archuleta was the 911 operator that took the Ramsay phone call that morning she told Kimberly Archuleta
that she wasn't sure how long her daughter had been missing and was literally begging police to get there
it's a very harrowing 9-1-1 call you can listen to it she sounds absolutely terrified in the 911 call
um before you before she hangs up the phone you can hear her kind of like Mumble to herself like help me Jesus
help me yeah and she she never says jonbenet's name she never says her name is JonBenet Ramsey
um she also hung up the phone very abruptly didn't wait for instructions didn't wait
for them to say hang on the phone with me until the police get there she just down goes the phone which is
again definitely weird but yeah you're panicking you're trying to run around I don't know I don't even know if she woke
up at this point no this is one that I people can definitely look at different ways I don't understand that
yeah and you're you have kids obviously I can say your Lifeline would be 911 absolutely
and you would be like I would be on there until the police got there just to be like I don't want to lose you I don't
want them to get lost on the way here please keep telling me they're coming tell me that they're outside tell me
that they're here like that would be my thought I would think because I that would be like just your safe like
somebody needs to get here and help us yeah and if you hang up you've you've ended that lifeline and you just have to
wait to see when they show up and it's like I would want somebody being like they're around the corner they're on
your street they're pulling in your driveway they're coming up your walkway they're in your house like you know like
I want to hear everything they'll do that they will and usually they tell you stay on the line with me until they're
in your house exactly so Archuleta the operator actually told Dateline that she immediately thought
something wasn't right about the call she said that the end of the call was strange because again she ended the call
abruptly and she didn't say anything that indicated an end to the call and the phone didn't actually disconnect she
said like it just kind of went back on the Cradle but didn't actually disconnect
and because remember this is a landline this is back in the 90s oh I'm picturing
like my old kitchen yeah so she so Archuleta claims she heard not only John and Patricia speaking muffled right
after that she put down that phone but she heard a third voice that was a little more faint now this is strange
because they claim later that Burke who was the only other person in the house the nine-year-old was asleep during this
call he was not near them or awake at this time so people have listened to the audio of
this call lots of different experts and they hear various things in these muffled voices a little bit but it's all
pretty much the same there's not a lot of variation with what they hear they hear a couple of different things it's a
little when you listen to it with an untrained ear I think it's a little like EVPs where you can probably
hear what you want to hear if you try hard enough but mainly what they hear is a male voice who is thought to be John
Ramsey saying angrily we're not speaking to you and then they hear a female voice
thought to be Patsy say help me Jesus help me Jesus then they hear a young male child say well what did you find
yeah now also according to an article by Bella Brennan uh Kim the 911 Opera operator was quoted
as saying about Patsy quote if you hear the Frantic in her voice as she's speaking to me where she couldn't even
answer my questions it immediately stopped it sounded like she said okay we've called the police now what and
that Disturbed me yeah of course because she said basically that panic panic panic that foam went down she thought
she hung it up and then she turned and said we called the police now what yep so and she's so
um Kim said so I remained on the phone trying to listen to what was being said it sounded like there were two voices in
the room maybe three different ones I had a bad feeling about this to me it sounded rehearsed she said one of the
reasons why I even stayed on until they disconnected was because there were things being said that people needed to
know it was never addressed I think it really would have turned the case around probably now apparently later when
Archuleta got the news Kim that um JonBenet was found in her home brutally murdered because she went she left that
shift obviously not knowing how that ended and you said that I think we were talking about this before that was her
last call of her shift she said she was inconsolable when she found out she was murdered yeah and she kept telling her
boss and her family that something bothered her about that call and she told them they had to tell authorities
to listen to the end of the call because she was like now it was weighing on me like they found that child dead in her
home like I knew something was weird with that call they ended up sending the tape to
Aerospace technicians and they declared that there were three different voices at the end of that call those Aerospace
technicians and after Patsy had meant to hang up that's when they heard it apparently a ton of the technicians at
Aerospace all listen to The Call by themselves like independently all of them said they heard the exact same
conversation wow so and they had like they'd like take away background noise there and they like really clean the
audio a little bit so they called in the Boulder Police who sent detective Melissa Hickman to listen at Aerospace
she listened independently as well they put her they did not tell her what they heard they sent her into a room and said
listen to this tell us what you hear they had all heard the same conversation including detective Hickman I remember
listening to the 9-1-1 call again when that documentary came out and I heard the exact same thing yeah and now
when now that we have that conversation it's hard to hear anything else which can be a little
confirmation biasy but it sounds like it and the three distinct voices do sound is for sure because you
do hear the uh of a man you hear the Patsy literally like just like upsets and you hear a little child voice and
definitely like a male child and they all said the same thing we're not speaking to you help me Jesus help me
Jesus well what did you find in that what did you find just like I it just creeps me out and we'll get we're gonna
mention it again but when everybody shows up Burke is asleep and sleeps through all of it and people go into the
room and look and they see that he's just in his bed asleep he never woke up through the chaos in the house and so a
lot of people are like was he just told to lay there and pretend to be asleep through this whole thing yeah and was
that him on the tape and he was awake because they claimed he was he never woke up right they had to wake him up
yeah again that's a theory yeah but whatever so another interesting note is that
Patsy told Archuleta during the 9-1-1 call and you can hear it when you listen to the call that the note said she goes
it says sbtc Victory that's all she tells her about the note is that it says that but
she told police later I only read the first line of the note before I ran up to look for JonBenet and call John I
dropped the note back where it was and John said he moved the note away so how did she know that at the end of
the note it said sptc Victory right unless unless she happened to see that right or unless John said that in
passing and was like what the [ __ ] would that mean that could have been it they
could have had a conversation before the 911 call that she just didn't recall she
could have quickly seen the sbtc at the end that would be a little strange because
it's a two and a half page note and she said she only saw the first line so she would have had to flick through to the
end of the note just giving all angles here yeah but interestingly a 9-1-1 call came in three
days before this from the Ramsey household did you say this last time I don't I don't know if I did to be honest
I don't know if I remember this it was at 6 48 pm on December 23rd and the operator answered and no one said
anything then hung up the phone oh police were ditch batched to the home but no report was made okay a report
should always be made yeah I was like that was weird and that's just a strange little I know
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scene that morning like of the actual 9-1-1 call within three minutes of that call one was Officer Rick French
now according to foreign faction by James colar which is a really great book about this case
so the police officers on scene noted that and again this is three minutes after the 911 call so this is like
barely six o'clock yeah yeah according to the book the police officer said that John Ramsey was
wearing a pinstripe button up in khakis and Patsy was wearing black slacks a red
sweater and her hair and makeup were done oh I know everyone handles things differently but I could not get dressed
or do makeup when my six-year-old was supposedly kidnapped from her bedroom no the makeup is that's
and and she's did she say previously that like when she had woken up she put makeup on she didn't say that I heard
that she woke up she brushed her teeth maybe she just didn't say that she did her full routine before walking down the
street okay and that is a possibility some people are early risers and they get everything done before they even
walk down the stairs yeah and like we don't know how much makeup she was wearing yeah
just to you know yeah the whole point of this is to give both sides and let you guys decide for yourselves so wait what
your theory is because again we don't know we don't have a definitive answer here
um but it's strange definitely definitely a strange strange look for everybody to be
fully done up but you know like I just have to say it rich people are weird rich people are weird
like Appearances first so maybe that it was like a respect thing and then she's a pageant gal and they're Southern too
so it may have very much been a respect thing like these people are coming into our home we need to be dressed well and
maybe that it wasn't even for the police maybe this is just she's a pageant gal she gets up early she gets she gets her
full [ __ ] done and she doesn't walk down the stairs before she looks a plus and
we don't know John may have been getting dressed as passy ran in and told him what was happening yeah and you've just
maybe finished getting dressed maybe he was in the middle of getting dressed we have no idea we don't know
and both sides are are valid arguments but if if if not if we did know and like they did get dressed up that's weird I
agree that's [ __ ] yeah that's weird so there's that uh but and so and they noted that that was that was strange
absolutely that was strange to the police officers yeah now Patsy told Rick French that she had gone to jonbenet's
bedroom and saw that she was not in it as soon as she woke up which is not what she had already and then she said she
had gone downstairs and found the ransom note that's not what she said and we're going to get back to that in a
second now Sergeant Paul Reichenbach showed up and or um ordered that no one used the police frequency just in case
the kidnappers were listening on scanners okay so they were like we don't want to alert them that we are here
because that is part of the whole thing so no one use frequencies to talk about this uh they just didn't want to risk
John Benny's safety because at this point this is a kidnapping so they searched around the home but they didn't
find anything suspicious or any signs of forced entry anywhere officer and everybody claimed
we locked all the doors everything was locked and Jean Ramsey said that we locked everything it was all locked last
night yeah nothing was unlocked when they came in so Officer Rick French went into the basement and he went through he
came across the second door down there that ended up leading into a little wine cellar and it had a wooden latch that
locked it and he said he stopped in front of the door but never opened it uh-huh instead he went back upstairs
was behind that door the entire time why didn't he go into that door the worlds may never [ __ ] know yeah I don't
understand that well you are searching the whole entire home there's a missing child but then he came out later and
said well this was a kidnapping we were we didn't think she was in the home and it's like but
the problem is you're going in with preconceived ideas like you're supposed to let the scene speak to you not you
speak for the scene right in a in a forensic team arrived and we're starting to like do the sweep and at this time
again everyone was assuming she was abducted and removed from the home so they only cordoned off her bedroom right
which would have been where she would have been stolen from obviously I understand again the initial logic of
this thinking that she was obviously taken from her bedroom right but stop assuming [ __ ] at the crime scene let it
tell you what's happening and sure she's taken from her bedroom but we don't know
that that's where the note was written and my assumption I would assume it was written either like at the kitchen table
or in the living room at the coffee table like you know this is what doesn't make sense to me exactly that so you're
assuming she was taking from her bedroom sure absolutely the person had to walk through the house
which means there's tons of evidence that can be taken exactly had to stand in that kitchen and write that note had
to walk over to the staircase and put them there and then walk somewhere else to get out and you don't know how they
got out because there's no signs of forced entry or exit so you should be treating this entire house as a crime
scene because you have no [ __ ] clue how they got in or how they got that kid out right why the [ __ ] would you only be
looking at that bedroom right you should be getting these people out of that [ __ ] house and you should be
cordoning off this entire Place wake that nine-year-old up get him out of his [ __ ] bedroom get out of the house it
doesn't make any sense to me this thought and they're like well you know it no that doesn't make any sense that's
botched as [ __ ] now this was the only murder in Boulder during this year oh wow so they were
very unequipped it's not like they were very used to handling this but at the same time that is crazy use all your
skills that this was the only murder in Boulder yes wild in this like area at that time so they were yeah they were
very unequipped yeah but in a 2015 um they in 2015 they spoke with um the same uh cop that they talked to before
in 2015 Beckner he said quote as for the police department in general I wish we would have done a better job of securing
and controlling the crime scene on on day one we also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full
statements from them that day that's like protocol that's what's always done it would be five months before they
interviewed the Ramses after that day that's crazy like they didn't separate them I've had experiences where like the
police have had to come to my home when I was younger and every single experience that I ever had with police
everybody in my home was separated and it wasn't even about a kidnapping no like that's just what you do every
single time that's ever happened every person in the home is spoken to separately why would you not just pull
the parents apart there's two officers there Lisa at this point right pull them apart and say what happened right what
happened this morning and just take their quick statements of course but no they sat in front of both of them and
were like okay what happened yeah like no and they've had very different experiences exactly that's the thing now
the rest of the house was just Open Season no evidence protection no nothing for the rest of the house people just
freely walking in and around bringing things in and out in fact the Ramses best friends the whites and the fernies
showed up because they called them their Minister and other family members showed up in
fact Priscilla white was started cleaning the [ __ ] kitchen which is beyond my [ __ ] comprehension
of course if I walked into my friend's home whose daughter had been kidnapped that morning I wouldn't be touching [ __ ]
in that house I'd be like holy [ __ ] I would just be focusing on her and also I'd be too scared that I'd be [ __ ]
something up this is an act of crime scene no matter what there's police around here why the [ __ ] are you
cleaning the kitchen yeah that's weird that's crazy to me like that's crazy behavior what are you
doing yeah what the hell I'm trying to come up with something in my head just to like
oh the other side that's just me that's just beyond my comprehension that is just not a move I would make coming into
a friend's house that's a crime scene right now but like that's just me and what is wild to me even more wild to me
is that when Patsy called the whites and the fernies right after the 911 call she
didn't tell them JonBenet had been kidnapped she just said I have an emergency you need to come here
what so they showed up and she was like jonbenet's missing and they were like what the [ __ ] like they were like that's
the emergency like you just need us to look like why didn't you tell them that why would you just have them walk into
that that's in the wild no yeah I don't there's no reason all I was gonna say was like did she think the phone was
tapped but she called 9-1-1 so now she already called that's bizarre so wild now bar um so Barb uh Barb
Fernie one of the family friends called to the home talked to Patsy and she asked her what happened when she found
the ransom note yeah and Patsy told her that she quote just handed the note to John first
okay but later Patsy would tell police that she had screamed for Jon when she found the note John was asleep on the
third floor he claimed so he wasn't getting dressed when the note was found um when she would have screamed and he
claimed he heard her but somehow Burke who was down the hall from her when she screamed slept through all of this
didn't hear any of it like and we've said before like oh kids will sleep through anything because like you know
it's not their problem yeah if your mom is screaming you're gonna wake up you're
probably gonna hear it and it's in the morning it's not like this is the middle of the night this is the morning Barb
Fernie was like why the [ __ ] is this kid still asleep like what's going on it's
Mayhem in here no one's checking on him I also and this is just me and this is an opinion but I would want my child
right next to me exactly right [ __ ] next to me if my other child was missing that I would be clinging on to that boy
for dear life thank you that is part of something I don't understand is that's exactly how I would feel I
would be you don't know what happened there could be somebody in the home still that's the thing someone came into
your home unbeknownst to you while you slept and stole one of your children out of their bedrooms right there is no
[ __ ] way my kid would be in their bedroom by themselves no how the [ __ ] do you know that that window isn't how
they're gonna get in how do you know they're not hiding in his closet right now that was under his bed that my exact
thought was could be hiding in his closet I would be literally clinging like headlocking my child to me like
they would be nobody would be taking that kid away from you know so the fact that everything's going on and they
don't even know what the [ __ ] is happening with Burke in his bedroom no that's bizarre it's just a bizarre thing
it really like no one seemed concerned that the kidnapper was still in the house or how they got into the house and
could they get back in right like how do you know that kid's safe like that's just so weird
I don't understand that but again remember they were supposed to make arrangements to get the money to
pay the ransom the kidnapper was going to call between eight and ten yes it was a window
so 8 A.M detective Linda arnt arrived at the scene Patsy told detective aren't that she had gone downstairs found the
ransom note and then ran upstairs and found JonBenet missing this is again not the order that she has given it has
flip-flopped many many times so they were ready to and again that is something that can be I'm hysterical I
don't remember what happened yep but not the same so they were ready to do the ransom exchange at the time given
by the note so they're sitting there they have the the phones are ready they're tapped they have like the whole
thing set up in like a Solarium like a little sunroom yeah they're ready for this call eight to ten they gotta sit
there they want to make sure that it's tapped so they can trace it all that eight eight o'clock comes around nothing
happening by 10 the deadline had passed for the money to be transferred the random The Ransom note writer never
called and detective aren't said that literally no one in the family noticed that the deadline came and went no one
asked about it oh that would be my first question I would be panicking that they hadn't called yet
and I would also think have they not called because I called the police and now my child has been beheaded but no
one even noticed that it was 10 am like they were not even that is your I don't even know what the word is like
that is like that is the biggest thing on the docket right now oh that's priority number one is that time frame
and if that passes then it should be like Defcon one full-blown holy [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is going like what do we
do now I would be hysterical yeah because what do you do now to be hysterical because what you would assume
that they didn't you would 100 assume had you read that note if they didn't call they know all these people are at
the house I'm clear and they killed my daughter mostly watch and they killed my daughter that's what I would think now
James Ram or James John Ramsey also left the room that had the tapped phone in it
three different times and when it rang for something unrelated during the time frame like someone else called he had to
run back in the room to answer it and the police the detectives there were like why would he leave the room because
if they called why would you have to want to run from another room and possibly miss the call
like wouldn't you just be locked to that being just waiting for it so you could grab it immediately I would yes the only
thing I could potentially look at differently is maybe he could not handle the pressure of sitting there looking at
that telephone waiting and knew that he'd run back in and get the call and that is something I can understand too
like that it's too much and they did say that he was like totally just panic-stricken like he was
pacing around he couldn't sit still he was like yeah very he wasn't just sitting there like so I think that is
probably so that could absolutely be part of it um now officer officer French made a
sweep through the house Fleet White made his first like he made a sweep through the house he didn't find anything Fleet
white went down to the basement for the first time they're just allowing people to walk into this house I just want to
point that out they're just like yeah sure go down to the basement and he said later Fleet white said he quote observed
the window to be closed but unlatched and left it in that condition so there was an unlatched window down in
the basement and it was the middle window like it was a there was like these three Windows
like a basement window you know what I mean that has like a great and everything that is from the floor now
according to foreign faction Fleet white is the only one who while walking around
searching because people were searching for her including John Ramsey yeah he's the only one who called out
jonbenet's name while searching for her no one else did yeah and he was and he was like that because
I guess his daughter Fleet white he had a daughter around jonbenetian age yeah and he said like a couple of years
before that or some months or something like that they actually had to call 9-1-1 because they couldn't find their
daughter and it was she had him she was hidden and she was like hiding she was like playing hide and seek so he said
that was on his mind right so he was calling for her being like hopefully she'll just come out yeah because he was
like JonBenet you're scaring everybody please come out like right you know we're here like we just want to see you
but no one else was calling her name and that's bizarre because we've had that experience before where like one of your
kids will run in the house yeah and play hide and seek [ __ ] and we're screaming
their name like fully panicked yeah and he said when he went down to the basement and he saw that like unlatched
window and he said he didn't touch it but he said he saw The Wine Cellar Door with the wooden latch on it and he said
he opened that and he said he looked in but he was Pitch Black and so he said he was
looking for a light and he said he actually stepped into the wine cellar and was like feeling around and he said
I looked through the darkness and I didn't see anything I couldn't see a form I couldn't see anything and I was
like squinting trying to find a light and he's like but I didn't want to go too far in there I didn't know where a
light was yeah so he's like so I just I just left because I didn't see anything that's so haunting when you know that
she's right there oh that's no John Ramsey gave uh at this point the police had John and Patsy give handwriting
samples right away because they wanted to pass them off and uh detective Jeff kisshart who was the handwriting in
fraud expert he was the one who said later like this is a little strange alarm Bells
um he's he was the one that found the practice at this point he found the practice Ransom note and he said whoever
had written The Ransom note clearly had started it a few times in that notebook which is very strange now 10 AM came
again the call didn't come so John went down to the basement again why is this happening why are we
allowing people to just keep searching like civilians why are we allowing this without a police officer with him he's
now the third person to go in the basement why is everybody continuously going to the basement yeah and while he
was down there he found he's he mentioned that there was a broken window and it was open and just under it was a
suitcase that had been set up but he later said that he actually broke that window accidentally because he got
locked out oh okay like a few weeks prior and they just hadn't gotten it fixed always get those fixed yeah
because that's like a big deal it's a big security issue now he closed the window when he went down there and just
went back upstairs you would go upstairs and say by the way that window was open
I just realized that is potentially how this person got into my home but then later in a crime scene video you can see
that the middle window down there is open again and this is after John Ramsey said he latched it closed
it's just it's so strange inconsistency that's weird with all of it now at some point during the day Fleet white drove
Burke to his home they woke Burke up drove back to um fleet's home to stay with his family during the chaos they
wanted to get him out of the scene because they were like who knows what's going to happen here you need to get out
of here yeah so around 1pm detective aren't asked John Ramsey and Fleet white who had come back at this point
um to search the house for anything that seemed to miss okay at first I was like what why are you
asking two civilian men to search the house like why are you asking them to you're a detective yeah what is going on
I did read that they said it was just an attempt to try to give John Ramsey something to do because he seemed like
he was losing it okay like he was frantically pacing around and she was like I needed him to have something to
focus on okay because he was losing it I don't think that's a great I I think that was probably a
regrettable decision on their part um also she told him in white to search the house from quote top to bottom and
he went straight for the basement okay could be preference could be that he was like I'm going to start at the bottom
and end at the top yeah you're already on the top you're already in the middle floor so you might as well just go to
the top and end at the bottom I would think but that's me yeah you know so they started in the basement to work
their way up and this was both of their second trips down to the basement at this point
now again the first trips where they went solo yep when they went down together fleets saw the broken part of
the window and he was like oh I didn't notice that the first time like there's a broken window and Ramsay was like oh I
was locked out I broke it and he was like yeah you should tell people like that's how somebody could have gotten
pretty like what the [ __ ] and he was like oh yeah it's fine and he said now this is weird too because later I guess
police said it was not clear from either of the men's later interviews with the authorities whether they had opened the
middle window so it's weird that it was let in the crime scene photo it's open yeah neither one of them would say that
they opened it and why would you open it it's just really weird John opened that
wooden latch door to The Wine Cellar John Ramsey this is when he found his daughter Jean Benet was lying on the
ground with a white blanket over her torso her hands her arms were over her head this is really rough by the way
guys yeah um there was a nylon cord around them her wrists and her neck there was duct
tape over her mouth she was wearing the long white T-shirt with a silver sequin star on it and a long white Long John
style leggings the cord around her neck was pulled incredibly tight to the point
that Jon couldn't even initially see it around her neck oh wow it was so like indented it was pulled with a garat made
from a broken paintbrush handle later found to be taken from Patsy's paint kit which was outside of The Wine Cellar
doorway the other part of the broken brush was found in the room as well on the floor
now Fleet white because John had turned on the light so Fleet now saw what was in front of him he took off running
upstairs yelling for someone to call an ambulance yeah John Ramsey immediately pulled the tape
off of jonbenet's mouth and untied some of the cords on her wrist I get this I absolutely 100 no one should fall them
for that no that's not no question in my mind I would pull the two you wouldn't be thinking of forensics in that moment
no you would think oh my god get this off my I need to get this [ __ ] off my baby like these cords around her wrists
and this thing like yeah I get it now Fleet white later said he searched that room before this he mentioned to them
he's like I actually looked there and he said that he swore that John yelled oh my God before turning on the light
now John Ramsey told police later that you could clearly see the blanket the white blanket even without a light he
saw the form of the blanket and that's why he yelled oh my God and he knows his home a little bit better I will say look
at that I get that a little bit now Fleet white his best friend said no he said I stepped into that room a bit
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room to see if they could see none of them could see the blanket in the dark okay so there's that yeah
John Ramsey picked JonBenet up and ran with her screaming up the stairs now Priscilla white was with Patsy in the
sun room when this occurred she heard John and left the room to see what happened but Patsy didn't follow her
oh so Fleet White has run up the stairs yelling we need an ambulance wouldn't that startle you yup because
you're wondering have they found JonBenet or did something happen to John did he have a heart attack down there
you needed an ambulance because he's having a heart attack like I would be like she didn't move
yeah so once John had come upstairs he placed JonBenet down on the ground in the hallway and kept saying according to
everybody around them he kept saying over and over my angel which like breaks my heart of course and then strangely
detective aren't picked JonBenet up and moved her again placing her at the bottom of the Christmas tree
the detective that's very bizarre why why did any of this happen I do not know once she was moved there a blanket was
placed on top of her and also a Colorado Avalanche sweatshirt was placed over where her feet were to cover them like
like family members were doing that this is so bad for a crime scene like this has been so [ __ ] contaminated
you should have just left her where John had put her right I know it's hard I know you're
you gotta leave what's happening here so that they can collect what they can Patsy was brought in to the room unable
to walk herself they were holding her up and she threw herself on top of JonBenet and just
sobbed okay and she was screaming like um Lazarus erased whatever and like please raise my baby
from the dead like screaming and her like the minister was there obviously and they're very religious so it makes
sense but she was like inconsolable now according to the foreign faction book father hulver stack the the pastor
um sorry is there a difference between the pastor and the minister I I'm sorry I'm probably using those things
interchangeably and I apologize he's called a pastor in some things and a minister and others okay I'm not sure
what the difference is and again I apologize I didn't know if they were like two
separate but it is one person okay I'll just tell you that it's one person father holverstock
um he remembered John Ramsey saying something like quote I don't think he meant to kill her because she wrapped
she's wrapped in a blanket or that quote she was warm she was wrapped in a blanket uh-huh
so I don't know if like he mentioned he just mentioned that to police that he heard that why would you say I don't
think he meant to kill her when you were left that Ransom note he she has duct tape over her mouth and cord on her
wrists that you pulled off right why are you giving them anything any kind of Humanity at all I would never be like
these people didn't mean to kill her I believe these people are [ __ ] monsters and I'm gonna hunt them down
myself well in the note said that they had every intention of killing it exactly not follow their rules
so Fleet white then went back downstairs to The Wine Cellar again that's a crime scene he was she was just
found the crimiest of all crimes that's the place that we are looking at right now
right he went back down by himself where she was found he collected the duct tape
cord and blanket there is a crime scene photo after this point that shows the middle window
downstairs wide open at this point he took all those things back upstairs and brought it to the police right why
is he collecting crime scene evidence everybody what's happening well and I wouldn't want to like I think fleet was
just trying to be helpful but me personally I wouldn't want to touch that [ __ ] me I would never tell you that
should be on that I I would never touch that [ __ ] that would definitely not be again we have
knowledge that like tells us not to yeah and it's like but I don't know and I'm more fault the the detectives are
allowing this to happen you know it's very strange now the window is also a strange thing there's no sign of
disturbance on the window pane there was dust dirt and even cobwebs like spider webs that have remained undisturbed yeah
like if someone had slid into that window from the outside they didn't even touch anything on the windowsill with
any part of their body or clothing impossible and even outside the window there was no evidence someone had stood
there or walked up to it no it appeared like it had been open from the inside and no one had actually gone through it
oh so that's strange they searched the basement they found the paintbrush brush garage they also found the broken window
in the suitcase on the ground there were some markings around the window like scuff marks but again no disturbances on
the windowsill itself and is that where John just had that in and that's what they assumed that those were just from
him and the reason there was no disturbance on the windowsill was it was weeks earlier that he had done that so
dust had collected right and that cobweb had formed now at um around 1 30 p.m detective
um aren't or no excuse me one of the detectives I believe it was um detective French actually her John Ramsey on the
phone this is after JonBenet has been brought upstairs everything has been found
he's on the phone heard by detectives booking a plane trip to Atlanta for him Patsy and Burke
the detective then informed him you cannot leave you can't leave anything and he said I have a meeting that I
can't miss and they were like you're You're Gonna Be Your six-year-old was murdered in your [ __ ] house you
can't leave and it's weird that I have to tell you that yeah it's weird that you think you
would even be capable of taking that meaning that is the excuse of all excuses to call out of work like yup
that's beyond like that I understand that like some people go into like just I gotta uh I got a truck yeah like
autopilot that that's not you're booking a private plane out of here as soon as your kid was found
the [ __ ] like what are you doing that's weird like that's weird no matter how you how you slice it that's weird so
Patsy and John provided hair and blood samples at right away um and they along with Burke were spoken
to briefly by police after this um but the medical examiner John Meyer didn't get there until 8 pm
wow I don't know okay his report states that he found her in the living room with a blanket and that sweatshirt on
top of her the autopsy was performed the next morning the time of death was stated between to be between 10 and 10
p.m the night before and 6 a.m that morning now it's believed this is probably closer to the 10 pm hour because
decomposition had begun oh wow um several injuries could have caused death strangulation in the skull
fracture killed JonBenet the official cause of death was listed as asphyxia by strangulation associated with cranos
cerebral trauma now there wasn't conclusive evidence of a rape but there was questions related
to whether she had been sexually assaulted in some way that's horrific blood was found in her underwear that
she was wearing like just tiny little like pinpoints of it but still weird closer inspection revealed that JonBenet
had marks on her back and neck that looked like they could have possibly been made with the prongs of a stun gun
what yeah now it was noted several times that the cords around her wrist were very Loosely tied
um in fact they didn't even make marks on her skin that's how loose they were the cord around her neck though was so
deep that it had made a very brutal indent in her skin there was notable particular hemorrhages in her eyes
showing that she was in fact alive when she was crowded that's horrible but the hope is that she was unconscious from
the Blow To The Head yeah now a bruise on the front of her throat was also really strange it's slightly
triangular and the size is about a quarter and there's all these sources that say
that they believe it's um that like analysts have said that they believe it was like her shirt was caught up in the
garage and it pressed into it had like nodded okay and pressed into her skin and just caused that okay sure I could
see that like we'll say but it wasn't caught in it when they found it so that was interesting
now they also found according to the official report and this really broke my heart a red ink draw line drawing in the
form of a heart located on the palm of her left hand like a little kid just drawing yeah
what they discovered through this autopsy was that she had been and this is rough just trigger warning sexual
assault she had likely been sexually assaulted with a paintbrush handle at the time or
after death they also found evidence that she could have possibly been sexually assaulted
more times before that night I remember the doctor had made like weeks or months
before there were several experts and Physicians who all conclusively agreed on this fact that's so sad her
pediatrician says she they never found anything amiss and that she had visited like 30 something times in the past like
three years or something like that and that they never questioned or were worried about that but who knows well
yeah yeah no the chords were very interesting for other reasons too the chord that was wrapped around the
homemade garat and then around her neck was from a new roll of cord it was White
Court they knew this because you know how new cord or rope will have like a melted end yeah almost like there's like
glue on the end or something like an anglet like it's a very like Smooth end yeah
that's what was on the garage but the rest of the chords on her wrist were frayed and clearly cut like roughly
cut so this led them to believe that the garage was made first and then the cords
were tied around her wrist which would make it staged because what it would also explain why those were so
loose because there was no reason for them to be tight right and we believe she's unconscious anyway exactly so so
it doesn't really that that's all staged now there was mucus that had come from jonbenet's nose that will happen during
strangulation and down her face and lips like it had gone down this happens during death especially strangulation in
a blunt force trauma to the Head they noted that the outlines of the duct tape were on top of the music mucus Trail
meaning the duct tape was placed on her mouth when she was at the very least unconscious but more likely when she was
dead okay because the mucus was under the tape right so that had already happened
right like she'd already been strangled there was also an imprint according to foreign faction that was very clear on
the sticky side of the tape and the imprint was jonbenet's lips but they were perfect it wasn't smeared it wasn't she
wasn't yelling nope dead lips that's what that was this is like really which which says staged
there's no reason for that to be on there but there was DNA evidence found in her underwear
and on her waistband and it did not match any of the Ramses okay so there's that
we're going to talk about that more in part two but at this time after the autopsy the Ramses went to Georgia and
refused to speak to the police they did go to Georgia it was after all the autopsy was done and everything and
they were allowed to they went to Georgia just to get away from I think the house which again
parts of that you can understand I want to get the hell out of here but then they hired a huge team of lawyers again
we all say like when anybody's get a lawyer because that's the first thing you should do but then they hired a PR
firm okay um again Boulder police chief Tom Coby told the public at this point that there was no threat to them no
threat to the public and that this was an isolated incident what so there's no kidnapper how do you
know what you're telling me how what says that what are you talking about a kid was
just murdered in her house and we don't know who did it and everybody in the neighborhood was like we're [ __ ]
terrified of course like we were terrified like somebody had broken into their house and killed their kid in the
middle of the night and then you were telling us there's no threat what does that mean you got to
explain that man now we are going to end part one here I'm sure people are like what about the
pineapple don't worry we're going to talk about the pineapple in part two okay we're going to talk about the
pineapple which I'm sure some of you might know about some of you are probably like what the [ __ ] are you
talking about the pineapple it's a big deal it's huge um we're gonna talk about the flashlight we're going to talk about
the suspects and we're going to talk about the theories all right in part two but that is part one of JonBenet Ramsey
hopefully this time around it's a more I I wanted to make it a more cohesive and
easy to follow narrative than before I thought I jumped around too much last time
and um we're also not underwater this time so yay you can probably hear it better no that was great uh well it was
it was horrific but it was um you could follow it I think you yeah I don't want to say I think you did a much better job
because I thought you did great last time thank you I think it was definitely I think you've growth thank you I think
you've growth I think you've groweth um but yeah this is a rough one part two we're really gonna get into the
nitty-gritty of all the theories and suspects that had that pineapple thing is a real interesting bone of contention
for a lot of people as is the flashlight so yep but what we're not gonna do is get sued nope by smerp schmanzy so I'm
not gonna say anything nope and with that being said we hope to keep listening and we hope you keep it
weird just don't keep it that weird [Music] foreign [Music]

6 year-old JonBenet Ramsey was murdered December 1996 in her home in Boulder, Colorado. Her death remains a mystery to this day with various theories and suspects floating around, but never caught. Who killed this beautiful little girl? Who wrote the staged 2.5 page ransom note found in her home? When will answers finally arrive from a crime scene that was outrageously contaminated from the start? This is Part 1 of our revisit to this case where we talk about the girl behind the pageant photos, the crime and the autopsy that followed.

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Brief Summary

The episode revisits the JonBenet Ramsey case, discussing DNA testing, crime scene details, and inconsistencies in the investigation.

Key points

John Ramsey's Petition. John Ramsey launches a petition for DNA testing to find his daughter's killer.
The Ransom Note. Patricia Ramsey discovers a bizarre ransom note demanding $118,000 for JonBenet's return.
The Ransom Note Mystery. A ransom note was written in the Ramsey home, raising questions about its authenticity.
Handwriting Analysis. Experts suggest Patricia Ramsey's handwriting may match the ransom note.
911 Call Panic. Patsy Ramsey's frantic 911 call raises eyebrows due to its abrupt ending.
The Disturbing 911 Call. Kim, the 911 operator, describes the frantic nature of Patsy's call, revealing unsettling details.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

We want to do whatever can be done to find the killer of our daughter.

John Ramsey's plea for justice regarding JonBenet's case.

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Tension

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