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the murders of Stevie Branch Christopher Byers and Michael Moore all just 8-year-olds was the Genesis of a triple
homicide case that is typically known today as the West Memphis 3 however the phrase West Memphis 3 refers to the
three teenagers convicted of killing the three little boys on May 5th 1993 in a town west of Memphis an
appropriately named West Memphis AR Arkansas the three 8-year-old boys were reported
missing initial police searches that night were limited a more thorough search for the boys began the next
morning at 8:00 a.m. after 1: p.m. the boys were found but not to a good end all were dead found submerged in
muddy creek water each boy had been stripped and what has been commonly referred to as
hog tie each with shoelaces belonging to the boys the drainage ditch contained two of
the children's bikes and the clothing that the boys were wearing when last seen alive the clothing was mostly turned
inside out and twisted around sticks and stuck in the mud below the surface water the Frank Paretti autopsies
indicated that Christopher died from multiple injuries and possibly bled to death death and Stevie and Michael died
from multiple injuries and drowning they were murdered the bodies and evidence concealed in the Muddy Waters located in
a small patch of woods known as Robin Hood Hills almost 1 month later on June 3rd
at 2:44 in the afternoon detective Brian Ridge and inspector Gary itell got 17-year-old Jesse Miss Kelly to confess
to being involved in the murders the confession filled with inconsistencies errors and statements
that go against some of the very basic known facts of this case Jesse implicated 16-year-old Jason
Baldwin and 18-year-old Damen Eckles as the as salant rapist and murderers of the three
boys the next morning at a press conference announcing the arrest of the three teenagers inspector gell was asked
by a reporter on a scale of 1 to 10 how solid do you feel your case is gitel smiled and replied
11 legendary FBI profiler John Douglas later called this moment that Golden Nugget of law enforcement
theater in 1994 the three teens were convicted of the murders David Bernett was the
presiding judge Damen Eckles was sentenced to death Jason Baldwin was sentenced to
life imprisonment and in a separate trial Jesse mkelly Jr was sentenced to life in prison plus two 20-year
sentences the HBO documentary Paradise Lost the Child Murders At Robin Hood Hills documented the case and the two
Tri trials the now famous film which was followed by Parts 2 and three inspired Justice Advocates to unite and take
action an army was formed men and women some of them celebrities some of them from far away all United for one common
cause to free the West Memphis 3 but if the West Memphis 3 were innocent then who committed the murder
many after watching the documentaries grew suspicious regarding two of the parents Christopher's adopted Father
John Mark buers and Stevie Branch's stepfather Terry Hobs both look guilty for different
reasons following a successful decision regarding newly produced DNA evidence the West Memphis 3 negotiated a plea
bargain with prosecutors in August of 2011 they entered Alfred please which allowed them
to assert their innocence while acknowledging that the prosecutors had enough evidence to convict
them after having served 18 years and 78 days in prison Judge David laser accepted the Polie and sentenced the
three to time served and they were released in a packed courtroom judge laser spoke from the bench quote I am
aware of the controversy that's existed I'm aware of the involvement of the people in this
case I don't think it will make the pain go away to the victim families I don't think it will take away a minute of the
18 years that these three young men served in the Arkansas Department of Corrections what I just described is
tragedy on all sides and I commend the people in the case that have assisted toward the end of seeing the justices
served to the best that we can do it took nearly 20 years to write just some of the many wrongs in this case but
somewhere along the way of this long journey that took the Valiant efforts of so many something was lost and almost
forgotten the three little boys that were killed and lost their lives that day the families of these three will
never get get them back so this is not the best we can do because there's still time to get Justice for Stevie
Christopher and Michael the Forgotten West Memphis [Music] 3 [Music] [Music] Bob how much did Paradise Lost one two
and three play a part into your look into the case was it any type of inspiration for selecting this case uh
take us into to the Bob Ruff World a little bit on why you chose the West Memphis 3 yeah you know it's funny
because Paradise Lost the entire Trilogy did play a big role in why I selected the case for truth and justice but in a
weird kind of way um you know I would I I study wrongful conviction cases because that's what I do for a living
right so it's um I always go into these big famous ones and study them just to look for you know patterns and things to
look for because we get we get hundreds of cases every month submitted to us to look at and so I like to see you know
what you know is there a jail house Niche involved you know there's is there not much physical evidence is there you
know a potential wrong or false false confession there's a lot of little patterns that happen so I was just
watching the documentaries just to get an idea of what the case was about and what inspired me actually to to cover
the case on truth and Justice was actually the fact that after I watched the series and I was trying to talk to
to Mike my producer and and co-host about it I couldn't remember the names of the
victims and and and and it bugged me a lot and I really started to think about it and I started to look you know to do
a little more Googling and things and I just found that all of the media attention always focused around the West
Memphis 3 you know Damen Jason and Jesse and and our show we try to be very victim Centric you know and based on the
victims not only you know to to try to give them a voice but at the same time that is you know critical to any real
investigation should always start with a very thorough study of victimology to help develop a profile and it just
seemed like that was never done in this case and certainly in the media you know
while those documentaries were amazing and so was west of Memphis and and they accomplished an amazing goal of freeing
the West Memphis 3 that never would have happened without them they I didn't feel
like there was enough Justice given to the victims and that's why we we named our our season five on the podcast and
the TV series The Forgotten West Memphis 3 because they seem to have gotten lost
in a lot of the shuffle what do you think you learn by studying these three victims well the
biggest thing that I learned by studying them is that my perception and the perception of Mo I'll say casual
observers of the case because there are certainly people that have been digging into like documents for for decades now
but but the General consensus always seemed to be that there were three boys who were just out playing having a great
afternoon and then they ended up kind of stumbling into however they were killed
uh you know and of course back in you know the '90s with the satanic Panic they assume they stumbled into a Satanic
ritual killing but then you then later it became they stumbled into something else so they look at like the the
Bojangles man or you know maybe it was some you know some transient trucker or somebody
uh but what I found when I studied the victimology I was shocked and we spent I think three full hour episodes going
through the 140 page door-to-door notes in the case from the the canvasing after
the bodies were found and what I found when we start to piece all of those sightings together is that the boys
actually weren't together most of the day first of all you know you had Stevie and Michael were together for a minute
or for a little while and then Christopher was alone and then maybe Christopher and Michael and Stevie was
gone there's definitely a big Gap in time when Stevie was was missing an action when I which is when I believe he
actually returned to his house for a short time uh you know and then they they only became got together right
before they went into the woods and then and then of course the revelation we find in the notes that one of Chris's
friends reported that that uh Chris straight told him that you know he was upset because his daddy whipped him and
that he was running away and so the the big I think the the thing that I learned
most was that these boys didn't stumble into anything they were running away from something and that dramatically
changes the course of the investigation now obviously you are covering this case
many many years after the fact but when the initial uh documentary was planned to do the first Paradise Lost and they
received permission to film or record both of the trials that were to take place the documentarians went in there
with the idea that these three teenagers were guilty like that was a juicy enough
story in itself and then once they're viewing the the trials they start hearing the evidence and and the uh
eyewitness testimony and so on and so forth and they start going well there's something that's not right here this
this doesn't appear to be the actual case and then of course Paradise loss turns into almost this movement to try
to free the West Memphis 3 when you went into this and of course we understand it
was years later but did you go into it with with the idea of okay these guys are completely innocent or maybe Mark
buers had something to do with this or Terry Hobbs or I mean did you go into this with anything uh prior thought uh
of what knowledge you had of the case or did you not really have an opinion of it
at all until you started looking into it oh I I definitely had an opinion but I tried
to I tried to approach it from a really unbiased perspective because because now
both of you guys I I know um uh definitely Captain I don't know Nick were you were you a big fan not the
right word but were you really interested in the case for for years to come or was that more just Captain's
thing yeah I mean it's always been one of my uh pet cases I guess it's it's one that's so easy to get sucked into um and
actually just knowing that we were going to talk today pulled me right back in I
mean it's one of the most fascinating cases out there right it really is so when you watch and and I guess I'll I'll
ask I'll ask you and Captain because I want I want to know if I'm alone in this after you watched if if you watch them
in order after you watched part two of The Paradise law series who did you think was probably
the most likely suspect so that's what's so interesting to me about Paradise one
and two is and I might have had a different opinion after watching the first one than maybe most I watched that
first one on HBO when I was a kid I don't know how many times and I always walked away from the first one going you
know what I actually think these three teenagers did it and then of course you watch Paradise Lost 2 and it looks like
Mark buers he just time and time again comes up looking guilty and more guilty and
that that he was the one that did it and of course he's also this large loud imposing man uh he's also an authority
figure to Chris and the other boys as well he might know the area I mean there's just so many reasons why you can
go all right well maybe maybe he looks good for this right and that was exactly my experience I was Wonder Captain did
you have did you think the same after you watched part two well after I watched part one my first thought was
that I feel Jason Baldwin is very transparent he's very believable and everything he's saying I I I believe
100% that he had nothing to do with the crime then when you look at the confession with Jesse Miss Kelly it
doesn't really line up with what the crime actually was but I could never get over the boogeyman comment from Damen
Eckles at oh yeah at the end at the end of part one he's like well now I'm going
to be known as like the boogeyman of West Memphis and kids are going to say well maybe Damian's under my bed or he's
in the closet and that to me didn't seem like something a a innocent person would
say oh for sure I mean really kind of spot on with what you think Captain when I watched part one I thought maybe
they're innocent um definitely I felt like Baldwin was innocent but Damian and I wasn't so sure about and then after I
watched part two I was convinced that Mark buers was the was the murderer I mean 100% I I remember coming into cuz I
watched these late it was 3 years ago remember coming to the office and telling Mike I was like dude holy [ __ ]
that that this this guy this guy killed him the the the adopted father killed him I he had his teeth removed and blah
blah you know all the different things from there I was convinced after part two that it was that it was Mark buers
and that's you know that's kind of why was you know when you asked if I had kind of an
opinion that swing from there then of course after three everybody thinks Terry Hobbs did it right you know that's
that's kind of what they left you with and then west of Memphis and so for me it was like okay I need to approach this
from a completely unbiased perspective because Joe Berlinger just just [ __ ] me up in three documentaries in a row
because you know I didn't watch them as they came out I I watched all three of them back to back over the course of a
week and I watched you know based on the way they were produced I went from thinking oh maybe they're guilty Jason's
probably innocent to oh my God it has to be Mark buers it's obvious to part three
was like oh no it has to be Terry Hobbs it's obvious I was like man if if I'm being swayed that much by the media
there's got to be a lot more to this case than the way they're presenting it and so that that really led me into
taking a completely unbiased approach and try to look at the investigation which is what we did in season 5 when we
covered truth and uh the West Memphis 3 is to go all the way back to ground zero
and just basically start a brand new investigation and see where it leads us well I became a big fan of yours when
you were covering seral and I really like the approach that you took there where you you had a
thought process and then you kind of try to prove yourself wrong and I always I always like taking that approach but to
me West Memphis 3 is very similar to the Adon Sayad case where people look at the
case and we are presented from these documentaries we're presented all these cast of characters and people always see
like you said are the teenage boys guilty or is it one of the the stepfathers and everybody seems to have
strong opinions of the characters that are cast for us it it seems like not too many people look outside that cast of
characters and it it seems like there's no new cast of characters in West Memphis 3 in the last 20 years right
well when you see the uh I know we're recording this before you see the series um and you're airing it after
um but but hopefully you you you won't have that opinion after this weekend because we have you know I hate to you
know you're you're right in the term cast of characters I I don't you know it makes it seem like it's a story but one
of the things I wanted to do was get away from the The Sensational you know the cameras are always on Damian right
and you know through Paradise loss it's Damien and John Mark buers are are key characters and it's because they're the
most interesting right when you're watching it you know you you know Damian is saying things like I'm going to be
the boogeyman under their bed and Mark buers is blowing up [ __ ] pumpkins and and you know lighting bonfires at the at
the discovery site uh but there's there's a lot more important characters I think that that you've never seen on
on TV before you've never seen it in the documentaries You' never seen it anywhere you know we have you
know I don't know how you want do you want me to uh me do you want me to spoil some of what's coming up since they're
going to hear it after or no well how about we just since since it's going that route how about we just dive into
some of the details of the case and get your opinion on some of those okay question marks and if it comes up it
comes up if it doesn't we'll force you into it here at the end um sure I'd hate to spoil it too early in our discussion
uh because we got a lot of questions a lot of things on our mind it's rare for us we we think we know the case very
well we covered it on True Crime garage a long time ago um we it's way too big to cover it in in just a few episodes we
tried in three but all we really thought that we achieved was we pointed out a timeline that came from from very
credible sources and from police reports and and eyewitness statements and so on
and so forth that seem to indicate that it would have been very difficult almost
impossible on the time for John Mark buers to have committed the crime uh especially by himself we we found a
timeline that seemed to be that he was with somebody else and in a a whole different batch of people along the way
pretty much most of that evening and night so um I think the first thing and this is really good for people that
don't know the case very well um but but we're excited to get to talk to you cuz
we feel you know this case really well and that's why we we want to get your opinions on these things but for the
people that don't know the case well one thing I think the public may have trouble grasping but they do need to
understand as it's very important to how things played out the way they did so I
think if you could kind of talk to this a little bit but we need to have an understanding of the level of poverty
here in regards to the three boys that were arrested for the murders and in regards to the lifestyle of the three
young victims because the the three that were arrested EXT they were extremely poor unfortunately and the three victims
were a little more middle class um could you talk and expand on that a bit Yeah the what's interesting really is
that a little more middle class I guess is a good way to put it but the the entire you know Captain used the term
cast of characters earlier and if you look at it like that the entire cast of characters here they're all you know at
the poverty line or below the including the victim's families you know so you have definitely the the three convicted
you know they're they're living in very uh low low rent trailer parks you know and
and I've been out to these places they haven't changed much since then um definitely on the lower income scale uh
but but even the three the three victims you know you had you know the the the buyer everybody was working they had
jobs and they were getting by but these people definitely weren't thriving and you had
interesting situation in just about every family you know you had you know we we had on our show we had Dawn Moore
who's Michael Moore's sister who had never been interviewed before and she was on the podcast in season five and
she gave us a whole new look into the uh the household of the Moors right so their issue their asent seemed like it
was alcohol ISM she said you know both her mom and dad were alcoholics it was an abusive situation and so that wasn't
the you know the the the picture I had when studying victimology of what that household looks like you know you go
across the street to the buyer's household and you know again they're getting by but they're they struggle a
little bit financially and you have uh you you have some drug addiction both on um Chris byer's Mother's part and his
adopted father and then you go down to the the U Stevie ranch's household the Hobs household you know yet Pam and Pam
and Terry were both working they seemed on the surface to be the most stable but
then we find out later that there's uh possibly allegedly some abuse that's going on there and then also maybe some
some drug use down there as well so you you had nobody was in nobody was in good
shape so to speak as far as in their household either they're struggling financially they're struggling
struggling with substance substance abuse or they're struggling with physical abuse in in all of these
different commun unities but but most but definitely the three that were convicted uh Damen Jason and Jesse they
they were throwaways for sure and when I say that I mean that they were as you said they they were extremely poor much
more so than the three victims and once they were targeted by police whether they actually believed they did it or if
they were in fact targeted that's up for speculation but once they were targeted
there was there was nobody there to to fight for them they didn't have any money they didn't have lawyers they just
you know they were they were throwaways there were people that I think the powers that be and particularly the West
Memphis Police Department thought you know we can lock these people up close this case everybody's going to be happy
and no one really cares what happens to these three kids well I'm back to one of
the things you were saying before that when you're looking at the victimology like you said it changes
from here's these three boys hanging out and they stumble upon something as you were saying you were getting into the
idea that they're running from something uh what evidence did you find could you find evidence to back
that up yeah well I mean a big part of it is the fact that we we find weird anomalies throughout the sightings of
them throughout the day where they're not together they disappear and then when you when you you study so let's
look at it Stevie branch in particularly Stevie was probably the most well behaved
of the three based on what we see from you know school reports you know we had sounds like you know what we would call
today Chris buers and Michael Moore both suffered from from ADHD which I can relate to I have a nine-year-old that
has the same issue um tend to be a little more mischievous but you know Stevie was a rule follower and he pretty
much stayed out of trouble and he was told that he needed to be home by you know be 4:30
4:45 um and so you had to believe that he's going to do his best to make that happen and then the sightings seem to
indicate that that did happen you know they disappeared and then you have there's some medical evidence that
Stevie has partially digested green vegetable like food in his stomach well that that can only occur for about an
hour hour and a half before it moves past that stage in the stomach which means somewhere along the lines he went
and ate some vegetables which would be a good indication that he he did go home but then he left again so then so then
why is he he leaving now we don't know but it it seems like and then if you take Jamie Clark Ballard statement which
you know I don't necessarily think is entirely credible but she she reports that she sees Terry yelling at him to to
get back down there and and just the fact that Stevie leaves again after dinner and then what we learn later in
his victimology study that we have there there has been reported abuse from uh his stepdad Terry Hobbs and that's come
from some family members but also uh and and people that I've interviewed outside
of the family uh have have have told us the same thing that you know that they were always kind of afraid for Stevie
because of some beatings that he would take from Terry so so there's some indications with Stevie Christopher is
easier because we he literally went to the kid's name is Bobby Posey's house in the doorto door notes and I've spoken
with Bobby posie we hear from him in the TV series you know and and he he goes to
tell Bobby that his daddy had just whipped him and that he's running away so there there's no we don't have to
speculate about if Chris buers was running away because he told it told his friends that he was running away we have
other witnesses that that we hear from in the TV series that say that they saw them with sleeping bags heading towards
the woods uh and and and Michael Moore was always kind of the leader of the group there's not so much with him as
far as direct evidence other than some things his sister told us about you know the the situation in the household and
and some potential abuse that could have been happening in the house household again that's according to her I that's
not verifiable so I would say alleged abuse that happens in the household so all that together and then with the
sightings that put them in different places at different times and then kind of coming together and then going to a
place where where they know they're not supposed to be and the fact that Stevie would go there when he really knows he's
supposed to be at home at that point to me is a those are all great indicators that they were running away from
something they weren't they weren't just in that that scary woods across the pipe
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was it Michael Moore that was known to be afraid of those woods uh Chris buers Chris
Byers yeah yeah he was terrified of the woods according to his uh to Mark buers and to his brother who we also hear from
in the TV series so what you're saying is it's not just one of the victims that was quote unquote running away but
possibly all three of them or friends trying to help help their friend out oh your dad whooped you you can't take this
anymore I'll help you out I'll I'll run away with you yeah you know this is kind
of somewhat speculation on my part but my theory is that it's kind of a standby me type of deal you know where the you
know the kids are kind of rising up against the you know the grown-ups and taking matters into their own hands I
think that you know again this is my theory is that Chris was fed up and running away I think that something I I
think that Stevie I I'll be honest I think Stevie did go home and eat and I think that he left and he was scared and
I think that Michael more than likely was the one that said hey I cuz we have we have note in the door Todo notes
Michael actually told a little girl that lived up near the pipe bridge that he's
going to go over to the other side of the bridge to the woods behind Mayflower to his secret hideout so I think I think
Michael becomes the kind of the Savior the leader that say you know these the other two are they want to run away and
get away from their parents and and Michael said says well here I can I know a spot let me lead the way and takes him
over there and John Mark buers he he admits that he hit Chris that day that afternoon um that he he disciplined him
right yeah and then we have hold on I'm I'm kind of trying to uh digest all this as we as we go
through this here so that's that's what I find very interesting at least about the the Robin Hood Hills portion of it
like do you believe that the boys were killed at Robin Hood Hills I mean from the autopsy it appears that two of the
boys drowned so of course two of them likely died there but um this is a pretty brutal attack do you think that
from the evidence that we see that you've reviewed anyway did this all take place in Robin Hood Hills OH 100% I I I
don't think there's any there's a million theories out there uh but after the thorough studying we've done of the
case and the new team of experts we brought in for the TV series it seems you as a matter of fact Dr Rebeca Shu
that was our new forensic pathologist that came in and looked at the autopsy you know her her determination was that
that all three boys died of drowning um that that you know there there were some
other injuries a couple of head injuries but basically all of the brutality that
we see on the boys was all postmortem animal activity that this was a this was not is as complicated as a crime as we
think but the the another big misconception is for people that and you know I in one of our episodes I just
mentioned it's funny that my my perception of those woods and where the boys bodies were found mostly came from
the the the movie adaptation of Marl lever's book The Devil's not when we see the I'm sure you guys have probably seen
that right yeah yeah yeah you know you know at the beginning when it shows them riding their bikes and they kind of they
go around the barrier and go into the woods and it shows them going through this remote Forest back to this Creek in
the middle of this huge Forest well that's where I thought this thing occur the crime occurred but the reality of it
is this was a tiny little patch of woods about the size of a football field you can literally I've done it I've stood
there and done it stand in the backyard of a house on the other side of the Bayou and throw a rock to the place
where the boys bodies were found I mean th this crime occurred right in the middle of there's a operating truck wash
to the West there's a there's a major Interstate to the north to the South is the Mayfair apartment and then there's a
a row of uh of houses with backyards but right up to the Bayou so the idea that that this could have occurred anywhere
besides there is is really in my opinion Preposterous because that means this is
where the the search efforts are focused right not necessarily across the pipe but in the Robin Hood Woods just south
of the Bayou south of the pipe some people were in the woods north of the pipe where the bodies were actually
found so the idea that if someone killed these boys or captured them somewhere else and they need to either a hiide the
bodies or go you know take them somewhere else to finally kill them that they would that the place they would
choose is this tiny little patch of woods where the only way you can get to it is either to park on the highway and
walk in to park at the truck wash and walk in or walk across the pipe bridge and front of the Mayfair apartment
carrying these bodies to conceal them right in the heart of the search efforts is is is bananas there's just no way
that would have happened I think the only reason the boys bodies were concealed where they were found is
because that's where the crime occurred and once it happened I think that the individual and I do think it was a
single individual once the boys were dead they knew I've got to get I've got to hide these bodies and I need to
create distance I've got to I've got to I've got to make sure no nobody finds these bodies at least long enough for me
to get out of here and then appear to be doing something else that's the only reason I think the bodies were concealed
where they were is because there was no other choice no one's going to choose that spot it's a terrible it couldn't be
a worst place to choose to dispose of a body when that's where everybody's looking for those boys especially
considering a mile down the road is the Mississippi River and there's a million places you could drop those bodies and
they'd never be seen again so you were saying and I and I hope I got this correct but you're talking about that
there's evidence that Stevie ate something before the crime occurred yeah so in the autopsy there is a a notation
that say the other um so so the boys from their parents reported that none of them had eaten since their meal in
school their lunch you know 11 12:00 in the afternoon or 12:00 well so Christopher and Michael's stomach
contents are empty which is what you would expect it takes you know there's there's a range of times but for you
know active 8-year-old boys with healthy metabolisms the average is like an hour
and a half to 2 hours it takes for food to move you know to become digested and move out of the stomach or Lumin as it's
as it's noted in the autopsy into the intestines so Stevie they when they when they open up his stomach there's there's
quite a bit of what they called partially digested green vegetables in his stomach which means so he you know I
believe that our window of when the boys were killed is between 6:30 and 7:30 p.m. which would mean so on the front
end of that 6:30 if you go back hour and a half 2 hours that means that no later
than no earlier than 4:30 Stevie had to have eaten some vegetables and it could have been as as
late as as 5:30 6:00 even that he ate some vegetables do you think his family members are just misremembering or do
you you think it's more nefarious on on stating he he never ate anything I don't
think it's nefarious on saying he never ate anything but the but the issue is so
he he leaves at 3:30 right with with Michael Moore um is when Michael comes down they get in their bikes and go and
so the the issue is even if Pam Hobbs is or Pam Hicks now is incorrect she says he didn't eat any snacks he didn't eat
anything after school let's say she's wrong and let's say he did he decided to eat some broccoli as a snack after
school that still because it's 3:30 is the time he leaves if he never returns Home Again
by 5:30 that's that food's gone from his stomach so even if she's wrong about that it still wouldn't be partially
digested in his stomach you know what I mean so so at some point he had to return so I believe I'll say this that
I'm very very confident and and stating I I 100% believe that Stevie Branch contrary to what's been stated by his
stepfather at the time Terry Hobbs I believe absolutely that he did at some point after 5:00 return home and eat and
then he left again now I don't I do not know if Terry was there and knows that he did that so so I'm not saying that
Terry's lying in the fact that he said that he never returned home in 8 I don't know that but what I do know or I feel
very confident in saying is that Stevie did in fact return home and eat at some point and then leave again and In
fairness to the victim's families it's my understanding that they weren't properly
interviewed from my understanding actually it may appear even in 1993 a couple of them were not sat down
and you know they didn't participate in a thorough interview oh that's 100% correct and that's that's another part
of why I decided to take the case cuz I feel like if we go back to the the beginning and do this thing right that
maybe the answer has been there all along if we do a proper investigation and that's why we took it on the podcast
and the TV series but as I mentioned you know that that starts with a proper investigation starts with victimology
and then you start with the people closest to the victims and you work your way out in concentric circles that was
never done in this case so Mark Byers was interviewed multiple times gave recorded interviews but that was because
he went to the police he he's the one that in that initiated that Pam have spoken to a couple times uh you know you
have you have you have cursory conversations with with Dana Moore and Melissa buers uh Todd Moore was never
interviewed by police and Terry Hobbs was never interviewed by police at all not not like a little bit at all which
which is which is baffling that they would and it's because they jump to an a conclusion they jumped to an assumption
when they when they saw the boys come out and they saw how mutilated their bodies were which we now know was due to
animal activity but that back then they didn't know and they decided this was that Satanic ritual killing they knew
was coming Daman Eckles is is the kid that that would do something like this and they got such tunnel vision that
they never did the basic basic steps of a proper investigation including not just not interviewing the family but in
the door-to-door canvasing they never even went door Todo in Stevie Branch's neighborhood at all not neighbors no one
around there we know now uh Pat we know now uh Captain had asked earlier about uh uh evidence indicating that that they
are actually running from something you we know now that that Stevie was seen by
a woman named Betty Johnson on 16th Street riding his bike South that afternoon alone that's one of the
reasons we know that he went home it well the only reason we know that wasn't because of the West Memphis Police
Department it was because because of a newspaper reporter that started knocking on doors in that area asking people if
they' seen the boys and she said yeah I saw Stevie by himself on his bike riding
South on 16th Street that afternoon the police had no idea that happened because
they never asked anybody in the area tell me if I'm wrong about this but there's I've seen where there was
sightings of you know one boy two boys three boys on their bikes and possibly even four boys on their bikes
and a lot of people think that fourth boy could have been uh Vicky Hutchinson's son right I which I I don't
believe that by the way but did you see any reports of of four boys together yeah there there there were a few
reports of four boys together as a matter of fact in our timeline that we put together based on all those door
to-door notes I I show that I called him mystery boy but there you know one of the big sightings was when narlene
Hollingsworth sees the boy and sees you know she says she sees three Boys on bikes and so people think oh it's the
West Memphis it's the three boys except for Chris didn't have a bike especially not at that time in the afternoon he
wasn't on a bike so that third boy is actually a fourth boy and she describes him as being heavy set with dark hair
well that doesn't describe either of the any of the three victims were all thin so so that sighting along with a few
others as who you know we deemed mystery boy and you actually hear from you know
we figured out who that was and actually interviewed him on the the TV series who
the mystery boy was um and then there's another you know other sightings where there's four boys going into the woods
right before they're killed so there's another potential uh fourth boy but I don't think that it's I mean well for ex
for starters as I said we we know who that fourth boy was now um but I've never believed it was it was um Aaron
Hutchinson because the the the evidence now it's been a little while you may know more about it than me now cuz it's
been a couple years since I've studied it but it seemed to be pretty clear that Hutcherson went home that day after
school he wasn't and and he didn't live in that neighborhood he lived out in the
trailer park so he wasn't even around that afternoon right and he gives dozens of different stories as to what he says
he witnessed or saw when he supposedly saw the kids being killed right which is it's it's awful what what the police did
to that poor boy you know what they put him through and I mean he he names different suspects in each one of the
stories too the the the suspects don't even um and then he he says certain things
took place on the victims or to the victims that we know just by the the autopsies did not did not occur at all
regarding the timeline that you're piecing together one thing that's always stood out is that Pam Hobbs uh you said
now Pam now Pam Hicks her and Terry hobbs' timeline for that night never really seemed to match up
100% we it's my understanding that Pam Hobs worked that evening and that Terry drove her to her place of employment and
then picked her up at the end of her shift right that evening with your with your movement of Stevie
branch do we have him leaving their house if he fact in did return to the Hobs household do we have him leaving
before goes off to work before Terry has to drive her to work no I I don't think
there's any question that he hadn't returned yet uh before Pam went to work I mean that was is pretty obvious from
you know from Pam statements herself that you know she was upset because Stevie wasn't there that Terry was upset
when he got home because Stevie wasn't home when he was supposed to be uh they left and then she first finds out
something had happened when Terry picks her up from work I don't see any you know I'll say this I believe her 100%
that that's what happened there's no reason for for her to to lie about that and and sadly we all saw Pam's reaction
which you found out what happened to Stevie you know it was you know it was it was on you know the news it was on
the paradise law series um so yeah I I I don't think Stevie I I think that was the issue I think that personally this
and again I'm I'm I'm giving you a theory here but I believe that t that Terry and Pam left to take Pam to work
and Stevie probably ended up coming home home shortly thereafter you know kind of
missed him and and then the question is did Terry ever come home then after he Dro Pam off and and have some
interaction or communication with Stevie or did Stevie leave again before Terry got back now when you watch these
documentaries and when you studied the case which and I'll keep going with our theme of characters which
character were you most inter interested in and and what did you what do you think you learn by talking to them as a
suspect or as a like a personality well not as not as a suspect but just just anybody uh as far as the documentar Go I
mean like if I was you know I rewatched uh Paradise Lost one two and three recently and I'd go if if I could talk
to anybody I'd like to talk to um Damen I'd like to talk to Terry Hobbs I'd like to talk to Mark buers those are
the first three individuals i' I'd want to interview right yeah and I've interviewed all well I hav interviewed
Terry but um I I don't know if I can if I can point one out but I guess I can walk
through a few of those like you mentioned so um Damen uh I really like Damen you know when I went to go meet
him at first and interview him I was I I shockingly I was or stupidly I guess I was surprised to find out that he's
pretty normal guy you know because he's you know his his his character that we've seen on TV and
and kind of his character we see in his social media and stuff like that you know he's into this ceremonial magic
stuff which seems very Mystic and and and very artsy but you know I've said around talking about football with
Damien every anytime I'm in New York I usually try to catch up with him and Lori and we'll go out for pizza and you
know last time we were there we went you know we went we went to a pizza place Damian's favorite place we had pizza we
hung out for a couple hours and then he he took to a place called insomnia cookies cuz he swear they had the best
cookies in the world and they were the best cookies in the world uh and so I guess was what was interesting to find
out with him is that he's he's a daman's a normal guy like he's he he's interested in something that a lot of
people don't necessarily relate with which is you know his uh I don't you call a faith or religion but his that
cere ceremonial magic that he's that he's into but you know regardless whether you
can relate with that or not he's he's a very personable very normal guy doesn't like talking about the case just likes
just chatting about life and I I enjoy Damian's company when I'm when I'm around him um Jason Baldwin kind of
surprised me the other way he seemed like very a very much a vanilla kind of character but then when I when I went
down and and actually met with him and and we went out to lunch and then interviewed in person he's he's full of
fire actually we just I don't know if you listen to it uh either one of you guys did but we just aired two-part uh
uh two episodes of an interview I did with Jason back in 2018 that nobody had heard before and and he's he's got fire
in his eyes that I didn't know was there um he seems he seems extremely interested in finding out who actually
did this very much so of of the three where to me it feels like Damen is more involved with his causes uh I think he's
involved with the um the innocent people being on death row or I don't know the name of it offhand but um he seems to be
very driven toward that where Baldwin seems fully vested uh invested in finding out who did this clearing his
name and he's one of those per people that I mean the interview is great but you know the captain and I have always
kind of thought this if Jason and Damen would have been tried separately and Jason would have been
tried first we find it very difficult that that they would have found him guilty a lot of that based off of his
character and his personality and of course that there just was no evidence but um to hear your interviews with him
really takes his character as you said to the extreme because he does seem very vanilla on the surface but when he
starts talking about the case or talking about things that were going on in West
Memphis at the time that they were charged with the crimes he's one he's fascinating and two he's very dialed
into what he was doing and I found his very detailed Alibi to be incredibly one interesting and
Incredibly believable yeah I agree on all on all accounts I agree and especially the fact that if he wasn't
tried with Damien I think he for sure would have been acquitted you know he was he was he was collateral damage
really well and I think that's one thing that gets lost in the shuffle there is that we we have Jesse Kelly who gives
this this bad confession he's offered a bit of a reduced sentence because they want him to testify against Baldwin and
Eckles at trial one simply just to introduce the confession to that trial he says look I'm not going to testify
against them basically because it's not true and then Baldwin gets the opportunity to testify against Eckles
and he turns it down as well where that shows something to the character of these still very young men these
teenagers at the time you know there's a lot of meta that you see in the documentaries when that part when the
trial's happening and Paradise loss one and Baldwin's reaction to when uh when when
his attorney I think was Paul Ford asks him after Dam had testified on camera he asked Jason so do
you think that he's guilty and if you watch that scene that scene right there is what convinced me that
Jason Baldwin has no clue what actually happened cuz you watched you could see it in his eyes that he was thinking and
then I think his response was you know they sure made him seem like he did and it was like holy [ __ ] he really doesn't
know that kid does not know who killed those boys yeah he does not know and and he's thinking it through because you see
his it's almost his reaction you can read his mind and and it's like he wasn't with Damon that that evening he
wasn't with Eckles that evening so he doesn't he's he's kind of clueless as to he's not asked did you and eckol do this
together he's just asked did Daman Eckles do this and he's going well they sure made him look
guilty you almost see that he is about to say well I don't know and I think he was smart enough to go well they see
they sure made him look guilty because that I don't know statement would have just been a an odd one for for the
argument against uh Damian anyway yeah and it it just to me it was like I could see you know for me I I
would see in his mind him thinking Jesus Christ did he do it like like maybe he did I don't know I wasn't with him you
know maybe he did do it I don't know they made him seem like he did but you know again like for me what you know
what I'm looking at is not necessarily what that means for Daman but what does it mean for Jason and it was like
obviously he didn't have anything to do do with it with it which again is just one more thing that even if that was the
case if it was just that Jason was innocent it just again tears the state's case down their entire Theory down
because it was supposed to be them together and the confession had all of them together well and how did his how did
Baldwin's Alibi fall apart I don't you know because doesn't he claim to he he went with with a
different friend that's that's not really known to most the people that have taken a quick look at the case he
went with the different friend to uh cut his uncle's lawn and then I think I and
correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going off a memory here but I believe that he he and the friend went and did
something afterward and Baldwin is saying hey I remember this date because I sold him a a cassette tape um that day
and that you know as we discussed already these kids are dirt poor he remembers that day because he one he
probably did a CH that may have earned him some money and if he didn't get paid from the uncle he he at the very least
received some money for that cassette tape from his friend yeah you the the the friend that was with him was uh Ken
Watkins uh and I I think the issue is that alibi was and I'm working for memory too on this part of it you know
cuz when I when I did the case you we I looked at okay if I take this investigation from the beginning and do
it properly where does it take us well the problem with that is it never takes you anywhere near the direction of the
West Memphis 3 so we had to kind of force that in to go like okay well let's see how they got here and why so I I've
never really focused a whole lot on their trial since then but if if memory serves it had to do with the fact that
when they questioned Ken Watkins because you know because Jason says tells his lawyers
that yeah I I was with Ken Watkins after the lawn mowing Damen left with Domin and then Ken and I went to Walmart and
we played video games and then he said yeah you should there was an Asian kid there too you should ask him who whose
name ended up being Don Nam uh was the Asian kid that was there and he's like these guys can verify my alibi but then
you know months and months and months later when when Watkins and N get interviewed uh before trial they they
they don't confirm as Alibi they either don't remember it or they don't give the
right information I don't remember the details exactly about it but basically they didn't they didn't corroborate what
what Jason had said so I don't think they ever ended up testifying well just to play a little bit of a devil's
advocate here after I watched Paradise Lost one I started thinking well is is it as simple
as they had Damian on a list and that's it and they just went with this and this kid had long black
hair listen to heavy metal and he's kind of a freak Show and we believe that this
was done by a freak Show or was there is there a little bit more to it like you said if you if you
investigate it properly then you're going through the proper channels but you're still going
to have a juvenile officer come forward and say look out of all the people in the town that I think possibly could
have done this here here's a kid's name on the list that you might want to look into you but the the problem with that
is that like that's [ __ ] crazy I mean you know what I mean imagine your town There's a murder and the entire
investigation is based on some dude's hunch like oh I know a guy that would do this you know it's crazy no but I I I
still think that that's reason to look into an individual and then when you hear statements that this individual
also which maybe he said it maybe he didn't you know at a at a a softball game saying that he that he killed these
two boys and that he was going to kill more or two two more when uh before he was done yeah I I I think it's it's
reason to believe that you should look into this individual yeah I I'll give you that I think that you know if
someone's got this hunch or or at least when that information comes forward like
the softball information sure you look at him but then there's a there's a there's a big chicken and egg problem
with Damien too in the fact like say say say that statement at the softball whether it happened or not yeah I I tend
to think that maybe some version of it did happen uh but but it's because I think it's be you know he was he was
targeted he was interviewed within hours of the boys being found he was harassed
the police were asking all of his friends all of his family they were calling him in repeatedly to the point
where this rebellious teenager is like screw these guys you know and and and so I my opinion I think Dam you know Damen
says he doesn't really remember that happening and he says he certainly wouldn't have confessed something he
didn't do but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities if he was at a game or whatever there and you know
somebody's like dude I heard that you did it and he's like oh yeah I did it I killed them and I'm going to kill some
more similar to his Boogeyman comment um but certainly once that's you hear that
that you heard this guy confess to it yeah you interview him but would he ever would any of that have happened if they
weren't offering rewards to a bunch of poor people and harassing Damian and spreading the word around town that it
was Daman who did it then would any of these statements have ever come out personally don't think they ever would
have I think if they took this case and they and they and they they they waited until they had the proper medical
evaluation and said okay these kids were were hit over the head drowned and and buried there okay so
that's that every indication there is that this is someone with a known personal relationship to the boys the
FBI was offering to help with profiling so let's go interview and they should have already done so let's interview
every single parent every brother every neighbor and let's start let's start piecing things together and and I think
that if you I'm dancing here but if I think that if you did that if you start at the
center and worked your way out very quickly the person or people whose aliis don't check out that aren't where they
said they were that have unaccounted for time and behavior would would have become very apparent very quickly we're
in this mess we're in now 27 years later because that was never done and if you do that I think that you never end up
even even if some juvenile probation officer is like well I think that Damen Knuckles was a Satanist well if you
waited for the proper evidence you know that there was nothing about this crime scene that indicated it was a Satanic
ritual whatsoever well and there was what's weird about that that statement of oh I heard Damen eckl say this at a
softball game or or whatever I think it was in Mara leverett's book The Devil's not where
there's some some evidence to suggest that even at times maybe investigators were going
around town with a photograph of Damian Eckles and they're asking individuals about the case if they know anything
about the the murders and they're also showing this Photograph that that's almost implying that this man this boy
is is in somehow connected to the murders themselves and you can almost see a situation where because he knows
he's being looked at and he's being harassed during this whole time that that he's overheard discussing that with
somebody and and they miscon through it completely and you point out something that's very very big here is the reward
the all these people are poor and now we got this money sitting on a on on a table up for grabs if you have any
information tell us and let's put these put these devil worshippers Behind Bars and and here's your your your pot of
gold that that money was never officially paid out to anyone that we know of right yeah no one knows where
it went they they've been able to keep that pretty pretty tight lipped uh well yeah I might have went to Vicky
Hutchinson who knows um question for you you said something that I find very interesting a lot of
people that think that the West Memphis 3 are guilty of this crime a lot of people will cite that
well it this is a crime that couldn't have been done by one individual and you you stated earlier that you believe it
was done by a single individual what makes you believe that there there's a there's a lot of things that have to do
with the the profiling of the crime scene you know we've worked with with Jim Clemente doing crime scene
reconstruction and and studying the behavior exhibited here um in my own analysis was the same people think that
one you know how would one person kill three boys but that that's part of why the profile indicates that this is
someone not only with a known personal relationship but also an authority figure to these 8-year-old boys which is
pretty much any adult right uh it's very easy to see say one boy gets punished and which results in him being
unconscious and the other boy freaking out and for that that single figure to to yell you know get your butts back
here or come back or I'm going to do this or whatever and and you could literally you know as a as a gr I've
said this before on the podcast you know as as a grown man myself I could easily
grab three eight-year-old boys by the you know by the Naps of their neck by the collars of their shirt you know one
in one hand and two in the other and grab them and hold them underwater all three at the same time you know it's not
you know I've wrestled around with my with my boy and his and his friends you know it's it it's so it's definitely not
necessary for there to be three the forensics and the crime scene seemed to indicate that there was one you know
that that it's the same kind of patterns happening on all of them people like to
site well this knot was tied differently than this knot but they were all a series of half hitch knots basically you
know some of them are double triple whatever but it's basically the same type of knot the boys are all tied up in
the same way you just don't see that that happen with three different people right so so the boys were tied up in a
very unique way with ankles to to wrists so what you're stating is with these the
knots the the knots were the same type of KN knots It's just sometimes there were multiple knots instead of just yeah
so a half hit a half hitch knot is a basic like the first knot you tie in your shoes you know over under and pull
it tight yeah and you know a double knot and a triple knot and a quadruple knot they're all they're all different
variations of that knot but what what's more important is to look at the very unique way of how
the boys were tied right ankle to right wrist left ankle to right wrist that that was done you know no one would
direct someone to tie them in that particular way because there's no utility in it right it doesn't stop
someone from running it doesn't it doesn't keep them from being able to untie themselves it's not hog tying like
like some would say it's it's pretty clearly this was done postmortem or at least post you know when someone's
unconscious I think Michael Moore did show a little bit of bruising from one of the ligatures which could mean he
still had some amount of heartbeat left when that was put on but the others show
none so you know if there's multiple people and you're directing them you know do you say hey when you tie them up
make sure you tie right wrist to right ankle left wrist to right ankle you wouldn't do that you know
you're just going to you're trying to tie them up in my opinion the reason they were tied that way was to create a
smaller package to keep them under the water uh so that they didn't they didn't reveal themselves I think it was
probably a trial in air I think they were probably put down it didn't work and then they took the clothes off and
tied them up that way um but that's kind of really getting into the weeds but the
the point is in my opinion looking at that that crime scene the same person tied all three of those boys up the same
person uh put all three boys into the water in the clothes everything is too uniform for there to have been multiple
people there and also I mean plain and simple two people can't keep a secret like this for that long it's impossible
the only way a secret like this gets kept is if only one person knows what happened
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Brief Summary

The episode covers the West Memphis 3 case, focusing on the murders of three boys and the wrongful convictions of three teenagers.

Key points

Justice for the Innocent. After nearly 20 years, the West Memphis 3 were released, but questions remain.
The Tragic Case of the West Memphis 3. Three young boys were murdered, leading to a controversial conviction of three teenagers.
Understanding the Victims. Exploring the socioeconomic backgrounds of the boys involved in the case.
The Crime Scene Debate. Analyzing the location where the boys' bodies were found and its implications.
Confident Claims About Stevie Branch. The speaker asserts their belief that Stevie returned home before disappearing.
Police Investigation Critique. Discussion on the police's failure to interview key family members and neighbors.

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