The Devil's Teeth ////// Part 4 of 4 | Forensic Files

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talk some true crime foreign [Music] we've done three episodes on this case and today makes four and sometimes
captain that just works out for me it works out well for me well for my ostrich brain that I'm walking around
with right so sometimes in most of the case this is the case this is the scenario that we
cover a new case each week so we have but five maybe seven days to research it all work through it record it it's like
a damn tornado well these four part cases are a little different we get just about two weeks to kind of tear through
them and maybe see what's going on a little clearer so when we are provided with that luxury I like to kind of take
a look at it and form an opinion after I've digested as much information as I can
uh rather so sometimes for me it's like comparing uh following a trail of breadcrumbs rather than reading a Choose
Your Own Adventure book so here and and I like to do this when I think it applies and what I'm looking
for is this I'm looking for something that seems to be the truth in regarding my opinion of what I think could have
happened to Jeanette De Palma so going back to our our victim here and as we discussed our victim what kind of person
is she was she a wild child or was she a good girl we heard everything all over the shop there right
the witnesses as we said all over the shop when it came to her character in her personality
yes a lot of speculation then when we get to where she was where she was last seen walking and and then some dispute
about whether she was went to a house or not so I want to get into some things that I found a little strange and and
when it boils down to maybe what Jeanette was up to on that day on that on that day that she went missing
so so what can we what can we learn by her behavior from what Witnesses has told us from from what people have told
us she was planning to do that day the first thing we hear is that she was going to go to a friend's house
but the way that it really boils down Captain is that it sounds to me like she was trying to get out of going to the
friend's house she woke up that day she called her friend she was supposed to be there in
the afternoon and she said you know what she told her friend I can't go to your home
my mother will not let me I have some cleaning and some chores that I'm supposed to do so therefore I will not
make it later her friend says well no we've set up these plans with these boys and I
only set up these plans because you told me you were going to be here so you have
to figure this out you have to be here she says okay I'll hitchhike a ride I'll hitch a ride and make it to your house
I'm doing a little assuming here Captain but I'm assuming she was trying to ditch
her friend because then she tells her mother that she is going to said friend's house
right mother grants her permission all of a sudden and the mother she even offers her to
give her a ride to that friend's house yeah and the Jeanette says no no it's it's a nice
day out I'm going to walk and I'm going to go to the train station then we see Jeanette asking her sister
if she would like to walk with her stating to her sister that she was going off to see a boy and her sister recalls
even the name Tommy but knows nothing else of this boy or this person named Tommy the sister says no and has plans
of her own and won't be walking with Jeanette that day from there Jeanette phones another friend looking for and
this part is not clear but either looking for a ride from her friend or for her friend who accompanied her on
foot regardless she didn't seem to be looking to go alone to me wherever she was heading
that day and the thing that I strongly question here is Jeanette's intent what was she was she really planning to
go to her friend's house she failed at the attempt to cancel those plans tells her sister that she's
going somewhere else and then turns down a very convenient ride from her mother if you're in a hurry to get to your
friend's house that day you take the ride from your mother right if you might be going somewhere other than where you
told your mother you don't take the right you were going you turned down the ride
I think we might be looking at a strong possibility that she either had other plans that day that we are unaware of
or she wanted to go visit somebody else other than that friend maybe even a boy right
if she did have plans to go out I I really wish someone could come forward or someone could piece together where
and with whom those plans were to be yeah but you can speculate a little bit I mean based off what the sister said
she's gonna go see this boy I would really like to know why that person never came forward to tell us that they
had plans with Jeanette that day but yet she never arrived because then you got you got to put a big circle around that
person so I strongly think that one of two scenarios played out something like this she went somewhere and met someone
and they spent some time together that day and she went off walking to God knows whose house
but while walking she accepted a ride now here's my thought on this captain whether she went searching for a ride or
whether she accepted a ride in my opinion this would be from someone she knew or from someone that she may
have wanted to know and I throw that in there uh for a couple of reasons okay well one thing that we heard about
Jeanette when we talked about her personality and her victimology let's say was there was a big question about
hitchhiking there was half the half the people said she would never hitchhike we
hear her tell her friend she was going to hitch a ride that day then we have the other people saying yeah it was
pretty common you know we did it she did it everybody did it what I did here time and time again the
one thing that didn't seem to be as much confusion as whether she would hitch a ride or not most of the people that were
saying that if she were to hitchhike Jeanette was not stupid that she was not going to take a ride from someone she
didn't know okay but I threw in the possibility of someone she maybe wanted to know and
what I mean by that is could an older boy have slowed down and offered the girl a
ride and what I mean by this I don't mean like a 30 year old man comes along in his you know in his dad wagon and
he's like hey you wanna you wanna ride you know Jeanette's 16 years old she might have accepted a ride from we
know you had to be 17 and a half in those days to have your license what if she got in the car with somebody that
was 18 or 19 20 21 even someone that looked to be in her age group someone that looked the role of somebody that
might run in one of her circles or her friend's circles this is there's a very suspicious story
here to me and before I get into it I do want to do a a quick mention of something that I
was thinking about on the way over here captain and I wanted to get your opinion
on this and this will play a role in in the later part of my opinion of what might have happened to Jeanette De Palma
one thing we didn't talk about yesterday it didn't hit me until this morning but
when we talked about red the houseless man that lived in the woods one thing that that we didn't discuss
was remember when they found Jeanette's body in Septa on September 19 1972 they were looking through the woods they were
calming that area they arrive at the cliff known as Devil's teeth and they find her body up there the strange thing
to me is like I kind of almost picture this as like I'm watching like Law and Order or Criminal Minds or something
like that you know where they find a body they're like oh we got this body and then you hear them start talking it
could be a female she's been here a while and If This Were a TV show then often the distance somewhere you would hear
another officer going captain yes somebody's living over here we got somebody living in the area right I'm
I'm wondering why you know there was so much suspicion about this red man about the the houseless guy why so much
suspicion about a guy that they didn't seem to they didn't seem to come across his dwelling when they were out looking
for her body right like wouldn't that be like the biggest of red flags to you if you happen to find a body in that
area maybe that's why it wasn't he wasn't looked into that much maybe that's why yeah maybe that's why they
spoke with him briefly and then cleared him and let him go but anyway the there's there's a weird
story within this big story that I find very strange and that's the story of the
21 year old dude that we talked about yesterday the that goes by the name of Terry rickel Terry rickel was the guy
that alerted police in October about the man red that's living in the woods near
where the body was found right what I find suspicious about his story is is it possible that he's he's giving the
police some kind of false lead is is he going to the police department this would be about the same time that the
stories from the newspaper regarding the murder and death of Jeanette De Palma start disappearing from the newspaper
and we do know that on on some occasions somebody that either has information or
somebody that's guilty of a horrible act will sometimes interject themselves into
the investigation why because they want to know what's going on with the investigation what better way than to go
down to the police department and give them some potentially false lead you could send them off your Trail and
figure out what they're doing possibly at the same time I find his story a little suspicious and
there's there's a portion of his story that we left out yesterday and it's this he seemed to one know that red lived in
that area two he seemed to be able to point out to the police that he believed that that red
had left that area sometime shortly after jeannette's body would have been placed there hmm
his reasoning for knowing about red and for knowing about you know knowledge about the area and maybe even Red's
timeline is this he states that some of his friends would on occasion spy on this red character
and the reason why they would spy on him is because sometimes remember he was getting paid in cash and a lot of times
he would come back to his little campsite let's call it and he would bury the cash or he would
hide his money in different places and supposedly these you know I don't have the ages or the
names of these guys that he tells this story about to the police I'm assuming they're roughly his age so let's say men
that they would be over the age of 18. that these guys are watching this red guy hide his money and then when he's
off when he goes off to work or when he's not in the area sometimes he would go grocery shopping they would come up
and steal his money possibly the reason why he left the area yeah very good point if somebody keeps showing up while
you're gone or in the middle of the night and stealing your money you might leave the area just for that purpose
the thing I'm getting at is I don't know how much suspicion or how much shade to
throw on this Terry rickle maybe there's none that needs to be thrown on him at all I'm just getting out that I find his
story a little suspicious and I'm also wondering if the police upon hearing his story and hearing the detectives hearing
his story now we know we they followed the red angle and they started looking into that and they started looking for
this man known only by the name of red I'm wondering if how much they checked into this Terry rickle guy or his
friends and furthermore and Terry rickle knows so much about the area about that specific area where her
body was found and her his friends are on occasions watching the area how come they didn't see anything suspicious how
come they didn't have anything more suspicious to report about this I I find the the whole story either made up maybe
it's just made up maybe he had maybe he had some reason to not like this red guy
or maybe he was just scared of this guy that lived in the woods and he kind of goes up I read in the paper they found
her body there I think that's where that guy lives maybe it was just something maybe it's something as Loose as that or
or a lot of people can't understand other people's Lifestyles so they treat them like they're less than human when
it's just a different choice of Lifestyle yeah or or maybe it's something more Sinister to inject
yourself into the investigation try to figure out where what direction the investigation is taking and maybe even
provide them with some kind of false lead well and there's some speculation that she got in a car with somebody
that maybe she knew right or or was acquaintance of and so is there any evidence that she knew this uh Terry
rickle well there there was speculation that she would only get into a car of somebody she knew and and I actually
believe that I believe that she got into a car whether she was offered a ride or was
asking for a ride and I do believe it was probably somebody she knew um now there is no proof there's no
evidence to suggest that she knew Terry rickle or did not know him we we don't know this
um and they'll just find it's you know his story pretty fishy well I just really yeah I find his story
questionable um to the point where I just wanted to offer that up for food for thought you
know as food for thought I don't neces was he involved or was his friends involved it's possible but it's probably
not super likely when you look at the whole spectrum of things now the reason why I think that she knew
she would only get in the car with somebody she knew or got into the car of somebody she knew is this because of
where her body was found she's found on top of this cliff and we have investigators we have detectives
and police officers that found her that day that were part of the search that said that they had slipped several times
when they tried to make it up to that Cliff that they had fallen that some of them couldn't even make it to the top of
that Cliff right and then when they removed her body from there the fire truck had to come in and and park itself
at the base of the of the cliff and shoot the ladder up to to use the ladder and form this this
weird almost kind of conveyor belt of getting her out of there they had to put in lots of man hours in time to getting
her out of there what you're getting at is that it would be hard for somebody to
carry her up there it's hard for somebody to kill her than carry her up there I almost think that she went up
there with somebody either somebody she knew or somebody she trusted that she's got out of hand she followed somebody up
there and for whatever reason I think that that person probably strange strangled her and left her there and I
think the reason a big portion of the reason why this is not has not been solved is
there's actually I I believe many reasons why this has not been solved and the first one of those is I would state
that they didn't investigate her disappearance remember they it was reported as a runaway and we don't know
if it was the parents that reported it that way or the police right because they've the parents changed their story
on that as well and the police say that it was the parents that called it in as a runaway however we see another case
yes it's in another County but it's at the same time period of a family calling in their daughter missing and the the
police are the ones that said no she's a runaway right this could have happened in jeannette's case and the problem with
that is and we got into this it's a lot Captain you and I agreed there's some similarities to this into the the serial
case that was covered in their first season where you're you're asking thank you you're asking teenagers to
tell you their whereabouts and what they were doing and who they were with six weeks ago they weren't really
investigating Jeanette De Palma's case until after her body turned up six weeks and one day after she was missing yeah
if they would have treated it like a disappearance or an endangered disappeared case rather than a runaway
they would have been speaking to her friends the day after or two days after and they might be able to tell you where
they were what they were doing who they were with do you believe this uh crime is uh satanic or occult-like in any
nature no I actually think that it's it probably just goes with the times um that it's you know the early 70s the
thing is with this whole satanic Panic one thing that people fail to recognize is a lot of this was brought about by
Charles Manson and his his crew yeah because when you hear this this horrible story of these horrible people that went
in to home and it's technically a home invasion they go into this home and they terrorize and kill these people out in
California painting Blood on the walls that was the biggest news of of it's some of the biggest news of last
century yeah and to hear that and that spreads across it goes it happened in California and it spreads across the
Bible Belt and the News there and all the way to the east coast and then you have parents and police everywhere where
they start to think if it happened out there this is the new wave of crime this is the new wave of criminal and all
these teenagers with their long hair and they're all hippies and they're smoking
drugs this is what we're going to see in the future and I think a lot of times when you had either teenage victims or
teenage perpetrators of crimes of murders and such that all of a sudden Satan got involved all sudden witchcraft
got involved and it it happened for a lot of in many cases in the 70s in many cases in the 80s and even up until the
90s it's it's just something I just don't see that being a piece of this case and
I think a large part of that is we don't know what happened to her and she's found at a location called The Devil's
teeth foreign [Music] [Music] we're back cheers mates and we're very happy to be with author Jesse Pollock he
was one half of the author Duo that wrote the book death on the devil's teeth the strange murder that shocked
Suburban New Jersey so Jesse since the book has been released for a couple years where are you guys at currently on
this investigation well the interesting thing with uh Mark and I is you know with the benefit of there being a
magazine the letters have kind of never stopped coming in uh the first letter they received about the case was in 97
or 98 and it's just been a stream of them every year since then so even with the book coming out in 2015
and a lot of things being answered um with all of the additional questions that the book has opened up we still
have been getting all these letters um regarding suspects um the occult connection possible
related cases and you know sometimes they turn out to be nothing but other times we found some very very
interesting things talk about the letters Jesse what were some of the more interesting items that came out that
were presented to you through these letters one of the most interesting things that we've heard from a reader so
far involves the supposed occult objects found around her body now like you guys
discussed in episodes one and two it's not really clear what was found around her but the general consensus is there
were Sticks and Stones they may have been arranged they might not have been they may have just been across and some
Stones above her head they may have been a trapezoid oil perimeter of logs which
appeared that description appeared in the newspapers so assuming that one that newspaper
description was true the trapezoidal coffin shaped perimeter you know we just thought okay it's supposed to look like
a coffin and then we got an email from a guy about a year after the book came out and
he was saying oh I think you guys should know this the trapezoid is the most satanic symbol in the Church of Satan
and I was like I I you know I researched levay and Satanism and even Hollywood Satanism you know Satanism light
whatever you want to call it all kinds of Satanism while writing death on the devil's teeth with Mark
and I never saw the trapezoid come up but then I did some digging based on what this guy said and sure enough there
were interviews that levay gave in the 80s and the 90s where he does say that you know the most occult object
you know shape whatever is the trapezoid you know if you look at the back of the
dollar bill what do you see a pyramid with the top cut off that's a trapezoid and
basically if you go through the literature that levay put out it boils down to the shape of a trapezoid is used
to open up a portal between the living and the dead which you know if you believe these Sensational articles and
headlines about Jeanette's murder being a satanic sacrifice it does make sense that she would be laid out in a alleged
portal between the living and the dead so that was one that kind of made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up
because the whole time I was writing the book with Mark it was oh it's just supposed to look like a coffin you know
it you know that's you know the the big thing the big spooky thing oh it's cough
and iconography but then to get an email from someone and have it pan out that there is literature to back it up that
no this shape is important in levae and Satanism and it's uh it literally it's supposed to literally open up a portal
between the realm of the living and the dead I mean if it's it's really chilling
to think of there's a lot of fishy rumors about Jeanette's Case Files going missing can you talk a little bit about
that well yeah that was the biggest thing um in the whole lure of this case for years it was the big shocking reveal you
know anytime mark would dig into the case back in the early 2000s before he and I teamed up he would always hit this
brick wall of oh no you know the Springfield police say the case File was destroyed when Hurricane Floyd rolled
through in 1999 and flooded a great percentage of Union County so you know we figured okay well I guess
the story kind of ends there with the files you know it's it's not uncommon to hear something stupid like that files
are kept in a basement somewhere in a area that's prone to flooding it's unfortunate
um there were a lot of accusations and letters that the magazine got that it was a police cover-up but these things
do happen so whatever we soldiered on and then halfway through writing the book somewhere around 2013 2014 we spoke
with a retired guy from the Springfield Police Department who um later worked in the detective
Bureau and he told us straight up oh well when I got to the detective Bureau in the early to mid late uh early to mid
80s I asked for all of the cold cases so I could brush up and two were missing the uh man off murder another unsolved
murder in Springfield that was in I think 76 or 77 and the De Palma file he goes that file was missing as early as
1984. so no Hurricane Floyd did not destroy it so then we had this this kernel of Hope
like okay maybe it's misplaced or maybe there's a whole other story here that there was some sort of a cover-up but
either way you know on the record you know anytime we would send a Freedom of Information
Act request or an open public records act request the the bottom line from Springfield was no it was destroyed in
Floyd and even if it wasn't we wouldn't let you see it it's an open case the big development that came this past
year you know two years after the book was released was I subscribed to a lot of newspaper archives online you know
newspapers.com newspaperarchive.com ancestry you know whatever and I get these email alerts sometimes
saying hey you know um a whole bunch of Articles have been added to the digital database about John
list um come check them out so I logged in and sure enough there were like 50 new
John list articles saved them just for the you know the sake of them being interesting and then I thought well hey
when I check this database a couple years ago there was virtually nothing on Jeanette there was a little bit on Joan
Kramer the other girl that was murdered the same week the only a couple Towns over but virtually nothing on Jeanette
so let me search her again and sure enough there were a half dozen new articles that were added and there was
stuff about red the guy in the woods we found the correct spelling of his last name it's Kira not Kier so now we have
that alley to go down and it mentioned this uh this wanted poster for him that was drawn up and it
said uh something like 7 000 of them were distributed around Union County and that was a big big thing because
okay if 7 000 of these were distributed around Union County that means it's a public document it was already released
to the public by the police department which means the prosecutor's office or the Springfield Police Department or any
other investigative agency that handled the case could not hide behind oh no we're not releasing it to the public
because it's an open case they had already released it 40 something years ago so I filed a brand new request and
within three weeks they found the original wanted flyer and mailed me a copy so it definitively proved that
while yes maybe the case File that Springfield had was destroyed sometime in the 80s or the 90s depending on who
you want to believe a copy still exists in the Union County prosecutor's office and we've seen some interesting twists
and turns since then but either way the bottom line is the files exist somewhere
and now it's just a matter of they won't let the public or or journalists or anyone else for that matter see them but
there's also rumor that the Joan Kramer case files were missing as well that was
another strange development I sent the uh the open public records act request for them
probably in 2013 um and it's a different County that handled it um because she was fed while
she was found in Union which is Union County jurisdiction um she disappeared from Essex County so
they treated it as a kidnapping first because she was picked up while hitchhiking so Essex County prosecutor's
office handles that case when I sent them the open public records act request they kept sending me every two weeks
these letters saying hey hold on we're still trying to find the file you gotta understand it's 40 something years ago
we have a lot of different storage facilities um hang in there though we're gonna find
it for you and I got three or four of those and then finally probably like five months
after I first you know sent the request and they came back and said listen we're so sorry
we checked every storage facility we have diligently we checked our microfilm archives we checked everywhere we we
don't know where the file is we're presuming it's lost or destroyed you know best of luck to you
so as far as our original documentation or paperwork on the Kramer case there's nothing
um all we had to go on while chronicling it for the book was the interviews that
we conducted with the people from the prosecutor's office from back then um we interviewed her brother and sister
um people that knew the prime suspect in that case and the newspaper articles that was it
so even if um say tomorrow someone walked into the uh the the police station in South Orange and said
I killed Joan Kramer here's why here's how and here's something that proves that I did it Beyond a reasonable doubt
they would have a hell of a time Prosecuting it if at all because her her files are missing from the prosecutor's
office that's that's the investigating body that would uh that would handle it should a arrest be made so I mean I
guess that case is dead in the water over there as far as they're concerned and do you have any updates on the Joan
Kramer case as far as what you're working on well the interesting thing about that was you know when we first
talked to the siblings they had mentioned oh well you know there was there was this guy that was arrested for
it a few years later did you guys know about that and we said no because we were you know we were not going digital
with this until later we were old-fashioned with getting the information for this case you know I
spent many hours along with Mark in various Public Library basements going through microphone reels and the
uh the Kramer case much like the De Palma case just kind of Fizzles out at the end of 1972 on these reels so you
know we figured okay well I guess they never found anything else but her family you know Joan Kramer's
family told us no there was a guy arrested for it three years later this guy named Otto Nielsen he was an
accountant living in Maplewood uh which is the next town over from South Orange he used to live in South
Orange as well and um they they eventually found an eyewitness that put him at the scene
when Kramer got into a car hitchhiking and they tried him for it and I said well what came of it and they said well
the the prosecution didn't do a very good job of of presenting the case and he went free the jury you know acquitted
him and I said well whatever happened to this guy and she said well a couple years later he held some doctors
hostages at a VA Hospital a hospital with a rifle and he was uh you know he was condemned to an asylum
and he that's where he died he died in a mental institution so you know we started looking into this
guy you know the the Specter of Otto Nelson and you know as far as we could find we
could not find anything that put him in Springfield the day that Jeanette De Palma went missing you know only a week
before Joan Kramer but we could not find anything that didn't put him there because he worked for himself you know
he was a certified public accountant he ran his business out of his apartment so
he was he could come and go as he pleased there were no there were no employment records or anything like that
to show that he could not have done it but the interesting thing was um some when he went to trial
a lot of his um his previous hospitalizations for his mental illnesses came out in these articles
like dates tangible dates like you know he was he was in this Hospital from then
till then and then again from then until then yada yada and when we put them on the timeline we
realized every time this guy was let out of the mental institution girls would turn up dead in New Jersey
strangled left face down in the woods and then the killings would stop as soon as he got committed again
so he was a very very interesting suspect that we worked with for for years and we considered to be the number
one suspect for a Time and then after the book came out I got a phone call from a prosecutor
who uh used to work in Essex County and he told me he goes hey I just wanted to call you because I was picking up some
summer reading for a a little trip I was going on and I'm in Barnes Noble and I see your book and I go oh well that
looks interesting and I'm flipping through it I'm like oh wait I worked this case the the Kramer case and he
goes Yeah you mentioned Nelson Nelson is a very interesting suspect but I don't think he killed Kramer and I'm like
okay so there was another suspect and he goes oh yeah there were a couple other and so he tells me all about this guy
who had been arrested for picking up girls uh hitchhiking and um you know screwing with their cars kind of like uh
the Zodiac did in the Kathleen Johns case and picking them up and raping them one he was uh acquitted for at trial
another one he was convicted so we had this other suspect that we were looking at and then sure enough
when this this new newspaper article dump came on newspapers.com all these articles that were not available to us
when we were writing the book there's the guy and all of this stuff mentioned about him being a uh a suspect in the
Kramer case so now in the wake of the book uh initially being published Mark and I now have another suspect that
we're currently looking into to see if we can account for his whereabouts when Jeannette was killed and when these
other girls like the ones up in North Bergen if we can account for his whereabouts to see if he's a viable
suspect in those murders as well so I mean it's this definitely is not a situation where oh okay the book's out
you know that's our take on it we're done the case has never stopped moving and it's never stopped moving in
incredibly interesting directions that can be backed up with the testimony of retired detectives who work the case or
newspaper archives that we do not have access to or Case Files that have suddenly been released to us it's it's
been incredibly interesting so at the end of the day do you believe Jeanette's murder was satanic in nature or a cult
murder and you know I've been wrestling with that question for five years now it just
honestly it's teeter-totter's back and forth when we were you know hell-bent on this being Nielsen when all of the the
cards seemed to line up that he had not only killed John uh that he had not only
killed Joan Kramer but he had also killed Jeanette De Palma we're like okay this is satanic panic
this is the New York daily news in the post trying to sell Sensational headlines based on some things that her
Pastor Jim Tate had said in interviews you know that was kind of it for a little while we're like okay it was it
was it was an Undiscovered serial killer and some you know goofy Sensational headlines
but then we heard from one of Jeanette's friends oh no there was a guy that used to pick
her up when she would go hitchhiking this guy Mike and um I knew him he was like a year
older than me and we went to the same high school and there was a little bit of romantic
interest there and I had him over my house one time for a date and he leaned in to kiss me and saw my
crucifix and said no sorry I can't kiss you while you're wearing that I'm a warlock
and he went on about how he had all of these occult beliefs and she was like I know for a fact that
Jeanette had gotten into his car a few times while hitchhiking so I went back to Cindy
Jeanette's sister and I said hey did a guy used to you know uh you know an older guy a high school guy with a
muscle car used to pick you and your sister up while you would hitchhike and she goes yeah this guy named Mike
so I'm like oh my God you know you know so this all lined up there you know like okay well let me let me
see where this guy lived and sure enough he lived two blocks only two blocks away
from the corner where janeta Palma was last seen alive the corner of Summit Road and High Point
so I could place him at the last spot she was ever seen alive you know she went to the blattus house she asked for
a ride Donna's mother said no and so was it conceivable then that she could have
kept walking another two blocks and you know either saw Mike or knocked on his door and said hey you know I really need
a ride somewhere and then something happened that resulted in her death absolutely
there was there was that that we were going on for a while and then we got the email about the trapezoid
and then on top of that another strange thing happened um right after the book was released uh
Mark and I we went on a book tour uh in New Jersey and all of these weird New Jersey readers just kept coming to us
and going when are you going to give us some more true crime or I read the book in one sitting and you know there's so
many other interesting cases have you heard of this case in Franklin have you heard of this case in Trenton all this
other stuff and so I said to mark I said you know we've got like 40 issues to go
through to to peruse through where we've covered true crime here and there why don't we put together all of the best
cases in one special issue and it goes yeah yeah do it up so he gave me all of the uh the issues that I didn't have
some of which were out of print and for two months I literally read every issue of where New Jersey cover to cover
multiple times putting this thing together and in one of the issues I found a photograph
it it sent a chill up my spine because I'm looking at this picture and the caption said you know stuff left by
devil worshipers in this reservation in North Jersey in the 1990s and it was a trapezoidal perimeter of
broken branches and logs and an arrangement of stones in the middle and it looked exactly like the newspaper
account of what Jeanette was found in so you know yes nilsen is still a suspect and it is always the possibility that
this was a serial killer or you know perhaps something happened an accident happened at a party and some kids left
her in the woods and never said anything about it um that's a theme that's explored in in
my second book about the Ricky casso case that's coming up um in the fall but there is also something now where we
cannot disregard the satanic angle of this because we have a suspect that knew her picked her up when she was
hitchhiking dabbled in the occult and lived two blocks away from where she was last seen the day she died we have
um testimony from people familiar with occultism that the trapezoid is a significant figure in levay and Satanism
and now we have photographic evidence from the 1990s before we ever started looking at the De Palma case of a
similar Arrangement that was allegedly found around her body being found in another reservation up in North Jersey
so I mean truth is Stranger Than Fiction right I mean you can't discount it Jesse
I just want to take this time to thank you and your co-author Mark Moran for the wonderful book the death on the
devil's teeth all of your hard work in this investigation this is certainly um very well done well put together
yeah it's great to shine light on a Case well hey sure and you know thank you guys too because I mean this is a little
book it came out on a little Indie press uh Arcadia slash history press and you know now the word is getting out
there to you know this this great loyal following you have so hopefully we'll get some more tips coming in and uh you
know it will really shine a light on a case that was largely forgotten and some people say intentionally so so if you
want to if any of you listening want to follow where we're at with the case where we're going with it
um at we're New Jersey on multiple platforms uh where New Jersey is on Facebook Instagram Twitter and if you
want to follow me I'm at Jay Pollock author j p o l l a c k author and I'm on Twitter and Instagram and uh I'm posting
updates as they come in and if you want to pick up a copy of the book it's on Amazon Barnes and Noble it's on the
weird New Jersey website where newjersey.com but yeah wherever books are sold it's death on the devil's teeth
well thank you again for spending some time with us in the garage yeah thank you so much Jesse oh no and and thank
you so much for having me on and and picking this case to talk about it really means a lot
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Episode 182- This case begins with a teenager who goes missing. Several weeks later in September of 1972 a body is discovered atop a cliff, above an abandoned quarry in Springfield, New Jersey. Later it was determined this was the body of the missing teen, Jeannette DePalma. Along with the body it is said that cult related items were recovered from the area. Her body was said to have been resting on a makeshift altar in the woods. The murder of Jeannette DePalma is very bizarre and is still unsolved. This case is not known to most outside of the state of New Jersey. We gather in the garage to try to shed some light on this cold case.Beer of the Week - War Elephant by Rushing Duck Brewing Garage Grade - 3 and 3/4 bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

The episode discusses Jeanette De Palma's disappearance, investigation, and potential occult connections, featuring insights from author Jesse Pollock.

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The Power of Podcasting. The host introduces his co-host with a humorous nickname, setting a light-hearted tone.
Listener Shoutouts. The hosts give shoutouts to listeners from various locations, creating a sense of community.
The Disappearance of Jeanette De Palma. Exploring the mysterious circumstances surrounding the victim's last day before she went missing.
Suspicious Witness. Discussion about Terry Rickle, a witness whose story raises questions about his involvement.
The Devil's Teeth. The mysterious location where a victim was found raises chilling questions.
Occult Connections. Letters reveal potential occult objects found near a victim's body.

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