The Vanishing Man /// Part 1 /// 177 | Forensic Files

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on Friday April 15 2005. Ray Greek Carr the district attorney for Center County Pennsylvania called into
work saying he would not be coming in for the day he had skipped work to relax a
little and take a drive through the pretty Countryside he planned to stop and do a little
antique hunting and a few mom and pop stores along the way this was not terribly uncommon for Rey
after all he was nearing the end of a very successful career and retirement was in sight
the DA's office could survive a day here or there without Rey so playing hooky and just getting away for a while was
well deserved as the sun went down and the day turned to night Rey's longtime girlfriend
started to wonder when he would return it got darker and darker and yet she had not heard from him
she tried his cell several times but he never picked up to tell her where he was
she thought she had waited long enough so she called the local police department she told them what she knew
the police explained that they knew Rey and he was responsible but we are probably dealing with here is
it gotten late Rey must have decided to stay overnight maybe his phone was dead they would make a few phone calls and
see what they could find [Music] the next day when the detectives in the first shift officers arrived at the
office they saw the report stating Rey's girlfriend had called and said he had not come home
after some checking they quickly discovered Ray was still missing he never returned nor called
[Music] they set off in search of their missing district attorney they got their first break when they
discovered his vehicle next to an antique shop in Lewisburg Pennsylvania after finding the car investigators
calmed the area but found nothing no other Clues to suggest where Rey may have gone
and there were no signs of Foul Play the district attorney had simply vanished and under some mysterious
circumstances many different law enforcement agencies have looked in to raise disappearance
over the years they have found a lot of Clues and a lot of strange actions leading up to the
date that he went missing but nothing definitive I would tell you that he was never seen again
but there are some that say different that they have seen Rey after April 2005. many have speculated that the
prosecutor had made many enemies over the course of his long successful career and that someone may have wanted him
dead but nobody has ever been found was he kidnapped taken away and killed elsewhere disposed of where he would
never be found like some kind of mob hit seems like something you would see in a
Hollywood movie and not something that would happen to Ray greekar or is there something else going on
beneath the surface of this man's life could he have walked away from a good life he had worked so hard to create
or could it have been suicide or maybe even something more sinister this is the story of Ray greekar The
Vanishing managing Vanishing [Music] foreign Carr was born in good old Cleveland Ohio
way back in October of 1945. he attended the University of Dayton where he became interested in studying
law after working as an intern for the prosecutor's office from there he completed law school and
became a prosecutor for Cuyahoga County at Cuyahoga County Ray specialized in Prosecuting rape and murder cases Ray
married Barbara gray in 1969 and they adopted their daughter Laura who was born in 1978. Ray his wife and daughter
moved to State College Pennsylvania around 1980. this is so Rey's wife Barbara could take a job at Pennsylvania State
University Penn State this area is a really beautiful place ideal for raising a family safe and laid
back I guess the plan Captain was that Ray was going to be a stay-at-home dad uh this is a you know new area to the
family who had just moved there a career change for his wife that's always been my dream be a stay-at-home dad forever
and ever yeah me too uh I tell you what I don't know if this was a short-term plan uh if they were just waiting for
their Dar their daughter to start school right and then maybe Ray could resume his career in criminal law or maybe this
was the plan until just the three of them got settled in I'm not certain but regardless at some point people started
to catch wind that a very capable young prosecutor had moved to town yeah see my
move would be kid gets old enough to go to school right the wife then says to me
maybe you should be thinking about starting your career back right and I'd be saying well you're so
beautiful and smart and and Powerful that you know I don't I don't want to disappoint you and I also need some time
for me to find myself and that would happen for about 10 years what a good good friend of mine and he and his wife
do not listen to the show so I can I feel I'm just gonna feel free to say this his kids he's a stay-at-home dad
his wife is very successful his kids are getting older and he told me the other day he goes man
I got to do something this stay-at-home dad stuff is driving me crazy I said oh cool you're thinking about going back to
work he goes oh no no nothing so I don't know what it is that he's got to do but
anyway we got a little sidetracked well this is a little side note there's there's not
many things more sexy than a very smart um empowered woman there you go I thought you were gonna say there's
nothing more sexy than a stay-at-home dad I was gonna warn warn the dance out there the captain's on the prowl hide
the dads so anyway Captain Rey he had a reputation when he moved into town There's this capable young prosecutor
that moved into town after some back and forth and probably some coaxing Rey has
ultimately offered a job as the prosecutor's assistant Rey excels at this position and the prosecutor may
have been planning a bit of an exit strategy and wanting to leave the county in good hands one might say he recruited
Ray greekar and because of this that just a little under five years later Ray greekar was elected to be the district
attorney of Center County Pennsylvania this was back in 1985. in 1989 after a successful first term Ray greekar was
re-elected as d a in 1991 Barbara and Rey get a divorce in 1993 Rey is again elected D.A he gets
married for the second time this took place in 1996 but something else happens in Rey's life in 96 a major event Rey
has an older brother and this is Roy greekar Roy was still living in Ohio now Roy disappeared from his home in May of
1996. apparently he was missing for about a week but then his body was later found
in the great Miami River the authorities ruled Roy's death a suicide believing that he had jumped off a bridge and into
the river taking his own life despite his brother's suicide he's going to actually have a lot of career highlights
yeah that same year first he had a successful campaign to make the center County D.A job a full-time position in
1996. I guess it was a part-time position when he was originally elected and anybody that's been in this
situation knows that a lot of times when they create these government jobs that are part-time positions usually you have
an individual that's working basically full-time hours for part-time pay and so it was good that he got this uh got this
switch to full time there was also a famous case that same year and trial I should say uh for Rey
in 1996 this was for a school shooting at the camp at the campus of Penn State Greek art prosecuted the perpetrator of
the 1996 Hetzel Union building shooting at Penn State this was when a 19 year old girl opened fire with a rifle in the
middle of Campus on September 18 1996. 19 year old girl yeah the the report said that she fired at least five
shots from a rifle with a telescopic uh telescope site around 9 30 a.m that morning from the front of the union
building this is interesting because I don't know if I've ever heard of a school shooting that was actually done
by a female well and this was I I'm not familiar with the campus but I guess near this Union building is considered
one of the busiest areas for pedestrians and students to be walking around it's a
beautiful campus the shots sent hundreds of students and teachers scattering this
killing one student and wounding another before she was tackled while trying to reload the gun the woman that was firing
the rifle this is Jillian Robert Robbins lived nearby the state college but she was not technically a student at the
University it said that Miss Robbins had a history of mental problems the student that was
killed was Melanie spala she was a 19 year old from Pennsylvania there was another person that was wounded in this
attack and there was one student that escaped injury when a book in his backpack stopped a bullet from piercing
him uh-huh what was that book called I don't know they don't tell you these things when
you read the newspaper articles but there what they did tell me was there's an aerospace engineering student this is
Brendan milov he tackled Mrs Ms Robinson as she was putting a second ammunition clip into the rifle now as the two
struggled she tried to stab him with a knife but she ended up she ended up stabbing herself in the leg instead
but being a truly good guy this guy should get like multiple Awards not only did Brandon stop the attacker from
shooting more people and more students yeah after she had stabbed herself on accident he stood up he took off his
belt and he used it as a tourniquet to to help save her life as well she ended up being hospitalized in serious
condition but survived yeah which Rey would go on and prosecute her then probably because of that prosecution he
ended up being reelected in 97. now this next part most of you may not be familiar with this portion of the story
but there is a name in here that I'm sure a lot of you have heard before Hulk Hogan in 1998 Ray greekard declined to
press charges against long-time Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky yeah following allegations of
sexual abuse of a minor now it's not just as simple as that you know it's not just as simple that he declined to press
charges there was a full investigation there it may have and probably was more more likely that he was unable to press
these charges due to lack of evidence but this is something that we will get into more during both this episode and
the next and Rey was a little bit of a local celebrity I mean they would see him on the news a lot I mean you see
this a lot of times with uh lawyers or or detectives in the area yeah he would be on local news stations quoted in the
the newspaper and because he was a very successful prosecutor in 1999 Greek art appeared on the Discovery Channel show
the FBI Files now I'm not certain which case that they were discussing on there I wanted to go back and watch it but
we're working on a bit of a time crunch this week Captain so I didn't get a chance to do that yeah somebody feels
the need to take vacations well it's there's like a foot of snow outside and it's super cold and I'm gonna go
somewhere to wear that here I'm going somewhere where that's not happening buddy later Ray and his second wife
split up this took place in 2001 1. a year or two later Rey moved in with his girlfriend Patty they worked together or
had worked together at one time he would later be re-elected he was re-elected I'm sorry four times total
before announcing that he would not run for re-election in 2005. yep it was 2004 when greekar announced
he would not run for re-election and he would actually retire from the D.A job yeah Ray was turning 60 in 2005 and his
retirement would be just shortly after his 60th birthday so a very good and long run career as the D.A of a great
place to live and you know going through his life gives you the feel of who Rey was and what kind of guy he was kind of
the All-American boy who grows up to be the All-American man you know serving the community he's a husband and a
father he has he's a husband multiple times yeah a couple of times we need to talk
about April 15th Captain April 15 2005. that's a Friday well at 11 30 a.m Ray gray Carr called
his girlfriend Patty to let her know that he was driving through the Brush Valley area Northeast of Center Hall
yeah according to the police chief this is Dwayne Dixon Greek our last spoke to his girlfriend Patty around 11 30 a.m on
that Friday the longtime district attorney had planned to go into the office around noon that day but instead
he called his girlfriend who also works at the office and told her he was out for a drive along Route 192 in Penns
Valley he told her he would not be in it all that day no one thought of this to be unusual
though uh Patty didn't hear from him again on Saturday evening the state police located greekar's car a Mini Cooper
parked in a small dirt lot near an antique shop and Louisburg Union County which is about 60 miles east of
Bellefontaine there they learned greekar had been seen in the shop on Saturday afternoon
Greek our's car was locked and there was no signs of Foul Play his cell phone was inside the car
he has not been heard from since but we have some missing items here Captain they can't find this guy they find his
cell phone in the car but there are some missing items the items that they did not find include Ray's laptop computer
his car keys and his wallet now they found his car it was parked in the parking lot it was uh like a dirt lot
okay so he's parked there but you would assume he was seen in the store that's why he parked his car there but this
store was close to Bridges and remember his brother did take his own life by jumping off a bridge yeah and I guess
that would be the first thing one of the first things that the family pointed out
to police when they located the vehicle you know that this is wasn't something that the police were super familiar with
right but you have you have the family that are going wait a second this is eerily familiar we've seen this before
we have uh you know his older brother Roy having jumped off of Bridge vehicle found near two Bridges going
over the saskahana river so oddly enough similar somewhat similar to how his brother's vehicle was found
many years before now on Sunday the state police used a helicopter to search for over two hours along the banks of
that river near where his car was found for any signs of Ray investigators used Bloodhounds to try to track and try to
pick up some kind of scent but they they didn't find anything they started tracking his credit cards and his bank
records to see if they had been used there were also they were also checking his computer files and his phone records
the FBI had been called in to assist with some of those tasks in addition investigators were combing through Greek
R's current and previous cases to see if anyone he's prosecuted could be holding
a grudge against him now the police chief would would come out and say that there had been no recent threats against
Ray greekar but he also said that there is no one Focus point for their investigation that
they had no good leads early in this investigation now the next day we kept saying Saturday
I actually believe this might have taken place on Monday morning but standing at
a Podium was Laura greekar grasping a legal pad and she made a plea to her father she said hi Dad
I want you to know I love you so much my heart aches deeply for your presence she
told her father she would like to hug him and perhaps hike up a mountain together and just sit and talk for a
while yeah she said that she will wait for him as long as it takes to hear from him
now I want to point out Laura Greek are she lives all the way in Washington state so all the way on the other side
of the country she comes here to help look for her father and make this public plea on television uh go ahead well do
you feel like she's making this plea as if he's alive and he's running away so you would think that she would have
some gut feeling that's telling her that this is the case and not Foul Play or whatever and then probably it's backed
up by her mother telling her you know she she probably at some point said I'm gonna go to
Pennsylvania and I'm gonna make this uh plea to my father and then her mother's probably going oh yeah that's a good
idea so that's two individuals that that are close to them that think it's very possible that he just disappeared on his
own yeah and when you have no signs of Foul Play that's the way you have to approach it and that's exactly what she
did she finished her um her plea to her father hoping that maybe he would see that broadcast by saying I love you so
much please call please call us now Patty fornicola that's Rey greekar's long-term girlfriend she also spoke
briefly at that news conference she too directed her comments directly to Greek are saying Ray I love you very much and
I miss you I want you to come home please call us we will wait as long as we have to and then at the conference
Greek our he was he was described by others there as a Hands-On prosecutor who was dedicated to his job we have
Mark Smith this is greekar's assistant first assistant district attorney he said that Center County was really
blessed to have greekar here for all of those years Smith described his boss as a private person a very private person
he kept his own calendar at work and he was passionate about the law typically Smith said Greek art keeps his cell
phone with him at all times so he can stay in touch with the office even when he's on vacation
once before they stated that greekar had took off for a day and a half this was when Greek our drove to Ohio
for a ball game but in that instance no one had reported him missing now also mentioned was the death of
greekar's brother Roy who went missing in may of 1996 in Westchester Ohio where we had said you
know after a week his body had been found in the in the great Miami River his death was ruled a suicide by
Drowning now there is information out there and this is a bit difficult I could find a statement from Rey's nephew
and this was that the nephew Roy's son had stated that that Rey didn't believe this was a drowning that wasn't didn't
believe it was a suicide that he had thought that there was other factors involved in his brother's death and the
son Roy's son believed this as well now unfortunately we don't have Rey to tell us that that was his actual beliefs we
just have Roy's son telling us that yeah [Music] all right we're back cheers me mateys
cheers uh so we we talked about the things that weren't found in Ray's car right after his car was found but the
thing that I think is one of the most interesting things about this whole whole case is what was found and what
was found was some cigarette Ash yes and I wasn't I don't know if I've heard different reports but I also heard that
there was a report that his car smelled of smoke yes both reports from my understanding are true so
um we'll go through this kind of quick here his vehicle is found and it's one of those you know small Mini Coopers and
inside we find his cell phone which we heard people from his office say even when this guy was on vacation he kept
his cell phone on him so he could get in touch with the office we don't find the keys to the car and
the car is found locked now inside the car is this cigarette Ash which is found on the passenger side but it's on the
floor area it's not on the seat it's on the floor in the car the way that the police described it was like on the
floor what's that the ashes on the floor yeah the cigarette Ash is on the floor so so picture it's almost like somebody
was either a sitting in the passenger seat smoking a cigarette or B maybe he had his window down they weren't
actually in the car and they were leaning into the car with the cigarette yeah I had a buddy one time he needed to
me to pick him up in Pittsburgh okay which is like three hours away so so I pick him up and the whole ride home
he was smoking and I didn't you know pay much attention he was just smoking in the car right and
then when he got out of the car uh I looked down on their cigarettes ashes all over my floor and I realized
he was just ashing on the floor oh that's nice and polite yeah I mean I give him I it was a six seven hour round
trip for me and uh and that's how he repaid me so there's two things here I can't say for certain that there would
have been enough Ash for one to believe that somebody was sitting in the passenger seat and just ashing on the
floor like your good friend did or if it was just you know singer Dash has Nintendo just fall off the cigarette
while it's burning but the way that the police describe the ash itself and then the smell first like I said it appeared
either someone was in the car sitting in the passenger seat it was right in that
area you know between the legs area or somebody was leaning into the car when we when the window was down with their
cigarette inside the vehicle the smell was reported as the police said that it smelled to them
like someone was smoking in the car like right before the car was you know before
they exited the vehicle shut the doors and locked up the car almost like it trapped in you know actual smoke itself
and it had sat there they're not really certain how long that car had sat there either which is the other thing to take
into consideration okay here here's the thing and anybody that had smoked would probably know this if your buddy smoked
and you rolled down the windows and he was just leaning in right and talk to you and there's some ash on the floor
but not a bunch of Ash right so maybe a few Puffs he's laying in the car you're not saying anything because you know no
big deal right right the person gets you know gets out of the window you roll up the window let's say the car
sits for a day you open up that car you're not gonna smell smoke right you know I mean like so or but take the same
scenario leaning in the car smoking gets out of the window rolls it up you find that car in the next hour or so yeah
you'll smell it yeah it might smell I would think so but after a few hours of that situation
you are not going to smell smoke now maybe if the individual's in the car with the windows up smokes a full
cigarette let's say right and now now the the window is going to be longer maybe six hours afterwards maybe you'd
smell a hint of smoke you see what I'm saying so that that's a big deal you know well it's important too because Ray
greekar didn't smoke and not only did he not smoke but you know the the people that like hate smoke and hate cigarettes
and hate smokers that was Ray greekar he did not he wouldn't have let somebody smoke in his car is what his girlfriend
and his family members would say now we don't know that that's a certainty right
and that's that's where it becomes a little different because you have buddies um you know that will smoke only when
they drink you know but but when they're not drinking they're pretty against it oh you know somebody wants to smoke in
their car they're going to say no right so you know this whole idea that he he definitely wouldn't let anybody smoke in
his car um I mean I don't know him well enough and and maybe I should just go based off
of what they're saying but there's a lot of people that I know that are quote unquote against smoking yeah until
they're drinking and then they've had nine Bud Lights and all of a sudden they want a cigarette from you right well no
yeah they become smokers all of a sudden yeah and usually dancers at that point too anyway uh but I think I think what
the police are stating here is that you know we can't say for certain that he wouldn't if you know let anybody smoke
in his car for any reason at all but the information they're getting from his family is that this is definitely
something strange this is something that they should uh keep into consideration when they come out with the statement
like there was no signs of Foul Play yes this isn't Foul Play but this is something definitely out of the ordinary
where we've not seen anything out of the ordinary leading up to him going missing
now the reporters we spoke in the first half about that news conference where we
have Laura his daughter talking about him being missing and speaking to him like Hey Dad come home you know give us
a call you know pick up a phone and give us a phone call the reporter is was stating after interviewing both police
and gray Carr's family that he said you know obviously the police are investigating every possible scenario
however it was the reporter's belief that Greek our's family seemed to be leaning toward the idea that Rey had
taken off on his own now I do want to point out one interesting note before we go too far
into maybe possible scenarios and some things that happened after his disappearance but one thing we should
keep in mind an interesting note is that at the time of his disappearance Ray gray Carr was making over six figures
um and remember we said that he was set for retirement he was planning to retire
within the next year so just to kind of give you a general overview of his life and his situation at that time because
you really have when you think about it there would be probably three major scenarios that we we should bring up
here is it either a he was murdered and they haven't found his body be the suicide we've seen the family history uh
with his brother maybe there was some depression going on maybe he chose to take his own life and then C we have the
possibility of him walking away just just stepping out of his car and walking away or D
right right so D would be the idea that you know his brother um committed suicide quote unquote but
Rey believed and and then um Roy's son believed that maybe it wasn't a suicide but maybe a murder to
set it up to look like a suicide so then you have this conspiracy aspect so did somebody uh plan to murder uh Rey and
then try to make it look like a suicide or look like he disappeared uh because he wanted to leave
yeah but they wouldn't murder him and make it look like a murder you know what I mean like no no but what I'm saying is
you know he had he has reason to believe that his brother didn't commit suicide that he was murdered according to the
nephew yes right and and also according to the nephew that that's what Ray believed so if that happened whoever
killed his brother could they be responsible for the fact that Rey went missing and and we'll have him park
close to these Bridges and if we do that that'll make it look you know maybe you
know he'll find his body in in the water and they'll assume suicide just like his
brother well and like we said Captain the cell phone was found it was recovered in the vehicle but the laptop
that Ray owned it was not recovered and it wasn't until July 30th of that same year that a fisherman uh had discovered
Rey's laptop computer this was in the river beneath the bridge between Louisburg and Milton a computer expert
analyzed the computer and they very quickly found that its hard drive was missing from the laptop
divers searched the area of the river near where the laptop was located over the next several days but they found
nothing it wasn't until two months later that someone had recovered a hard drive
on the banks of the Susquehanna River just about 100 yards from the location of the laptop computer and investigators
believed that this was Ray's hard drive but here's the weird thing the the hard drive as you can imagine was quite
damaged and they did they did analysis by the FBI by the U.S Secret Service of all people and then a private firm which
attempted to recover data from the hard drive but failed to do so in 2009 this is this is weird in 2009 the police
revealed for the first time that before Rey went missing someone used the home computer now keep in mind this is at the
home of Ray and Patty house to perform internet searches on topics such as how to wreck a hard drive also how to
fry a hard drive and water damage to a notebook computer now I'm not certain of the dates of
these searches I I believe that there are people that have their theories out there on to win these this search took
place um but these searches were going down at the home of Ray and Patty and it's just
shortly before his disappearance and he takes off let's let's assume Ray takes off with the purpose of of leaving of
walking away or committing suicide right he purposely took off with that laptop computer and then we have these searches
on the home computer prior to this so now you gotta you gotta be thinking about a situation did did he leave
willingly take the laptop and want to fry the laptop for some reason or did Patty do something or have something
some weird involvement in his disappearance and she was searching how to fry his computer
uh in advance yeah to me I lean more towards it'd be Ray doing it yeah the the other thing too is that
there were several of his co-workers had later told police that they had had conversations with Ray that he was
inquiring about how to uh wreck his hard drive or how to clean let's say clean the computer that we need to keep in
mind this was not technically his laptop computer this belonged to the county so
one has to assume that once he retired he would no longer be in possession of that laptop he would have to return that
to to the county Okay so let's just Ponder for a second what is on the laptop why would he need to destroy
the hard drive well where my mind goes Captain is it immediately goes to just when they found the laptop and then
later found the hard drive my mind goes to who other than Rey would want to destroy that computer what would be on
that computer that somebody else would want to destroy it and I mean that because we're talking about a district
attorney we're talking about somebody that's probably got some dirt on some people and somebody that could have
have information in there that could lead to Future charges against an individual and put them behind bars
potentially it's not until it's not until that you later learned that there were searches on his home computer on
how to wreck the computer that one starts to think well why would Ray why would Ray want to destroy his computer
why would Patty want to destroy his computer yeah but again there's there's another step in the evidence chain as
one that searches at his home and then he asked people how to do this so we could like I said I'm assuming that he's
the one that did the searches himself because he's also asking people in public how do I get ready how do I
destroy this hard drive right well co-workers he's asking co-workers about that right and so
yeah I mean my okay so he's turning in the computer what could be on there I I question
would there be I think police their thought was that there was some kind of personal journal
on there that he had personal information about himself that he had put on the computer I don't know how
long he had been toting around this this County uh computer and what kind of information he was putting on there
maybe he was using it for personal purposes you know just as simple as paying bills or had financial
information on this computer that he wanted he didn't want the next person to to be able to to see it right or there's
hundreds of thousands of porn sites you know because it was he was using his uh work computer to beat
off that it could be that simple he doesn't want them to know he was using the computer at work to to beat off and he
wants to clear the hard drive all right um that's a simple that's a simple thing
it's yeah it's pretty simple too that he might have been doing some banking on their paying bills I'm talking about
anything personal that he would use the computer for uh is there a chance that there was some back and forth some
correspondence with his girlfriend on there mm-hmm because think about this he they
work together I mean maybe they use their uh County email to exchange some you know some uh some
naughty pictures maybe I'm not I don't even mean that I don't it possibly I mean anything's
possible we're talking about somebody that chose to destroy their computer and run away
um but what I think what I mean is just correspondence back and forth between the two of them of a personal of their
relationship yeah um this is what's weird for me is because it could be like I said just something
very simple you know and uh you know and it's banking here I did some pulling the Pud on here
you know some you know risque uh emails back and forth which that would be government servers
anyway so they could get into those if you wanted anyways Journal those are all simple to me my gut feeling is if he's
doing searches at home and he's asking co-workers or whoever that it's something bigger than that
yeah and I don't here's the thing a lot of people have presented the idea well maybe he's just gathering this
information because at some point he plans to retire like we said it's going to be within the next year and he just
wants to turn in the computer clean for whatever reason it could be innocent personal stuff that's on there
um but I do want to throw this at you more at least more than one of the co-workers that
told police that that he had inquired to them hey how do I clean sweep this computer before I turn it in
these same people at least two of them told the police that please keep in mind Ray greekar he was a very successful guy
incredibly intelligent and hard-working but he didn't know much about computers is what those co-workers had passed
along to police and meaning who knows what he what his plans were for that computer or what he thought was that
they would find right I think the other thing here too is uh you know he's a prosecutor so sometimes
you're asking these questions you know we we have a lot of conversations with detectives and private investigators
about cases and sometimes you just call them to go if I was to do this right I you know so he could be inquiring about
a case for all we know um but this is what what's weird to me is his connection with Jerry Sandusky
and the fact that we now have this pedophile that you know we now know went to jail and
um did horrible acts and what information did he have on Jerry um that might have been on his computer
yeah so uh before before we get into that Captain let's go through this real quick it was in 2011 uh in July that the
county actually declared Ray Greek are legally dead you know they had not he had not been around for six years at
this point yeah and a day after the judge declared Ray Greek our legally dead this is very strange the police in Utah
arrested a man who resembled Ray greekar and this guy actually refused to reveal
his identity to the police and he was only being charged with a misdemeanor so they this John Doe who resembled Ray
Greek are not only in look but as well as height and weight and some even say that he had the same wrinkles on his
face uh that Ray greekar had the similarities caused an internet sensation you know people armchair
detecting looking for Ray greekar and there was a lot of speculation that they had actually found Rey but it took some
time after some sending copies of fingerprints back and forth that they determined that that was not regard that
was arrested in Utah um sure so nevertheless the fingerprints that they sent out did not trigger a match in that
situation what you were getting to though sure also something that occurred in 2011 was Jerry Sandusky was arrested
and charged by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office on multiple counts of child sex abuse charges
now we need to go through this a bit I think I don't want the whole Sandusky case to hijack the show but I believe
it's important part of this case and for some of our good people out there they may not be familiar with this case
especially our International garage Army members so okay so for those let's start at the
very the most simple part of this for for people that are unaware so Penn State is a is a college as we had said
in the state of Pennsylvania now college football for people outside of this country college football is arguably the
biggest sport or one of the biggest Sports in this country it's a huge it's a huge Money Maker uh it's huge for the
uh universities a lot of these players go on to have careers in the NFL where they make a lot of money so we're
talking big dollar stuff here now Jerry Sandusky would have been an assistant coach to Joe Paterno who was the head
coach for a long-standing time at the state of uh at the College of Penn State now
there had been some rumor that that Sandusky was molesting boys and these would be
I don't have the ages in front of me but I'm guessing if I remember correctly would probably be about boys like age 11
to maybe 14 or 15. yeah and Sandusky was your typical pedophile uh and what I mean by that is he was the
type that he was going to use his position of power to put him in a situation where he could gain the trust
of some of these young men and boys and then he would use that trust to to turn against them and and do horrible
things to them right he he ran a charity and I believe the charity was called Second Mile I'm not positive on that
Captain but I think it was called Second Mile and the the simplest explanation of
this charity was it was an organization that was set out to um to take a look at troubled youths and
try to put them on the correct path to give them a second chance so to speak and so in 1998 was when the first
Rumblings of this come about we have two boys that made claims against Jerry Sandusky and this was the case that Ray
greekar worked yeah he worked this case trying to get I question how much evidence there was
because it appears to me like he he was trying to get some kind of confession from Jerry Sandusky and Sandusky said
some things that were a little incriminating but they were very cryptic they were uh what he did was
they took Greek R I'm sorry Greek art took Sandusky and one of the victims mothers and put them in the same room
together and at some point this is kind of mind hunter-ish you know on my mind Hunter
they always talk about how to set up the interrogation room and how to handle to
kind of manipulate the suspects and things in the background yeah so Greek are set it up so that the plan was this
that he was going to direct questions to Sandusky and at some point he wanted the
mother to interject and kind of take over the questioning and stab him in his throat so the mother asked Sandusky
something to the effect of uh all right so this is weird they were they were in a shower together which should never
have happened to begin with that alone interrogation no no the boy one of the boys in Sandusky were in a shower
together nope so from what happened what typically happened with Sandusky from my
understanding is there are several incidences where he would be at a high school you know players that play at
high school level or he would take these trouble youths to the Penn State football facilities and they have
showers there you know and he would do these fake practices or whatever and then there would be a shower session at
some point it would typically be during the shower session that he would start to molest
the boys so the mother at some point interjects with the question of when you were in
the shower with my son seeing him did that excite you and I think that question really threw
Sandusky for a curveball because he he almost confesses there he says something like
I don't know yes I guess like he gives like a weird answer like that like he's like really kind of thrown off by the
question and then he immediately says something to the effect like well she she says like well did you molest him
and he says no I didn't but I'm I'm sorry and I I wish I were dead so it's it's this weird thing that's
like Greek art leaves this meeting I mean when you leave that meeting you know like this dude did this stuff yeah
he just didn't say anything that really is going to get you get you a conviction
and unfortunately this is a guy that's of prominence too and I hate to say this but we know this to be the truth in most
situations usually people on a position of power sometimes it takes a little more to
convict them than it would some low life like me in the garage yeah um yeah I want to compare yourself
to it I wouldn't call me a low life when you when you're talking about that group
but the fact of the matter is is at this point and based off of the interrogation based
off uh the transcripts I'm sure at some point um that Rey was taping this this information should have went to Penn
State and they should have said here's what here is what's happening Jerry is not gonna no longer gonna work for us
for one because we have young boys that go into the college program 18 19 year old boys
so you're not going to be around them not going to be around any athlete showering you're not going to work for
us and also those connections with the charity and you helping out kids we're going to put a kibosh on that too and
that's what should have happened yeah what will happen but that's what should have happened well it gets worse because
I believe it was the following year after these allegations first came out the Jerry Sandusky retires from his
position as a coach at Penn State yeah now upon retirement he still I believe he was the founder of that second mile
charity of that Foundation yeah and Penn State allowed him to keep an office at the at their facilities where he
continued to use their facilities to gain the trust of these boys and then later molest them so this continued for
many years so for those of you out there that are not familiar with this case we're talking about a guy that was later
convicted of multiple multiple counts where we have lots of victims over a long history of time the guy I believe
was sentenced to 30 to 60 years and I think he was in his mid to late 60s when he was sent in so thank God we're we're
seeing a guy that will not get out of prison on his son was charged as well yeah and and the reason why this is so
big so for those of you not familiar Ray greekar worked in the county of Penn State where that where that college is
that college is the biggest thing in that area that college runs that town right let's put it this way that is your
cash cow and then you're God you're God bigger than bigger than the President right
bigger than any world leader in that little town is the head football coach and so that's
where this becomes really shitty because of money and because of a football program I think some a lot of this was
swept under the rug and that's complete horseshit well and there's plenty of evidence I don't want to get into a
whole debate about this portion of it but there's a lot of evidence out there that uh it's obvious that certain
members of the Penn State University knew that this was possibly going on and they kind of turned turned a blind eye
to it yeah and kind of acted like nothing bad was going on and they let this monster
um victimize these children repeatedly for years and and so what I was wondering is um
I think it was his son Jerry sandusky's son that he had and maybe Jerry was also
hit with uh having child pornography on his computer so what I'm wondering is what what let's
just say hypothetically what if Rey went to some people said can you help me with
this can we get something on Jerry and they could have simply said you know we got these files from him here's the
files and then Rey opened them up and then couldn't you know how do you explain away that file
that's interesting see I'm saying and so that's why I wondered like to me like again is it is is it a kind of a gross
thing that this guy would be using his work computer at home to you know jerk off or whatever
yeah but you can explain that away right like well you don't want to have to you
don't want to but I'm just saying that I'm just saying that like if you turn in stuff like that or you turn in you know
a diary yeah I don't know to me there was a reason he's asking people and it had to be
darker I think and it could have been just as simple as a private investigator said we got these files on him you got
to take a look at them to see if they're incriminating right and he could try to
explain that away but that that would be maybe a little more difficult well and with regarding
the Sandusky thing you know the thing that the reason why this case is always linked to the Sandusky uh crimes is
simply this you know people have often wondered if if there were so many people in powerful positions so many smart
quote-unquote smart people I don't want to label them as smart obviously right it turned a blind eye to what was going
on or what they thought could have been going on people also wonder where's the line then
when where do where does one stop to to continue to cover up this the misdealings of this powerful
man and and that's why this case has always been linked to that we have a guy that
goes missing in 2005 we have Rumblings that start in 98.99 that this stuff is going on and and it wasn't until 2011
that everything is brought to the light so was it covered up again in 2005 was was it was this going to be brought to
light in 2005 and somebody stopped somebody stopped that from happening now it was uh I want to continue on
Captain because we got one more item that I want to make sure we get to before we run out of time today but in
2015 there was some information that came out and this is just full of bad this is just all kinds of bad right here
so in 2015 I believe it was September there's an unnamed individual that comes forward and he is telling the
authorities this is an FBI informant who is a former Hells Angel member of the motorcycle gang
he tells the FBI that Ray greekar has been murdered that he was murdered back in 2005 and he was
murdered by another member of the Hell's Angels okay so the way this thing works is like this
apparently this FBI informant former Hells Angel guy he believed that the guy that he was accusing was was dead by
this point so if this dude was afraid of this dude or what I don't know why he waited to tell the FBI this but but I'm
assuming he was afraid of this guy and thought that he was dead he would later find out during the
course of this investigation and the information that he's providing that this guy was actually in fact he
was still alive and he was in another state now I don't know if this guy that he's
trying to turn in is still a Hell's Angel member I don't know you know I don't know who he is
right he does he remains unnamed to this day but why what was his motivation for
killing rape B apparently the the member that killed Ray greekar Ray greekar had had prosecuted this guy
a long time ago and apparently it was for just some kind of assault charges it wasn't for like
the you know it wasn't for something huge you know it wasn't like a big crime but apparently the uh
the guy felt like he was wrongfully prosecuted not that he was guilt you know not that he was innocent of these
charges but that they gave him some extremely lengthy sentence for what he was convicted of right he didn't agree
with the sentence of of what he had done that be done by the judge well and I think that well I think the the state in
the county can recommend uh sentences or lengths of sentences right and anyway they uh apparently once this man got out
of prison he tracked down greekar and he killed him and he I guess he according to this guy he slit the throat of Ray
greekar and he took him out to this property and I don't I have no information of where this property is
this these reports are all very vague but he took an amount to this property and I guess there's a mine shaft
somewhere on this property if not multiple mine shafts and Ray Greek our's body and his remains were placed
somewhere in that mine shaft according to this FBI informant Rey's body's not the only one in that
mine shaft oh it's about it's a body shaft the problem the problem with this part of the story
though is is that he will not tell them where this mine shaft is located he starts to back out and I believe it
could be that once he found out this guy's still alive he said all right I'm not cooperating anymore there are a lot
of people out there though and a lot of people in law enforcement that believe that this might just be some kind of
false confession and I don't know what the uh the gain would be I don't know what the reason for it well you said he
was a FBI informant that also was a Hell's Angel right yeah he was a one-time Hells Angel
member if not still to this day we don't know I'd just say the the psychology that goes into having to be in those
environments could mess with you a little bit to be on both sides of the fence yeah
well a lot of times though that's the misconception that I think some people have that actually a lot of times these
informants that's what they are they are on both sides of the fence they're they're playing the good and they're
playing the bad um and and it also makes me one's mind it could mess with with some someone's
mind it also always makes me question their credibility well right because your job is to alter reality you're
trying to alter the reality of the bad side or the good side and so therefore your reality can become fuzzy and like I
said it's just all kinds of bad because if in fact this confession these statements are true the ray gray car is
dead and he's he's in a place where they may not find him until somebody points this out to them
if it's not true then we've just got another a bunch of information that leads nowhere or right it doesn't matter
yeah in this case it's just crazy because it's one of those cases where you have several different scenarios
that could have happened with Gregory Carr he could we could be talking about suicide we could be talking about he
walked away or somebody killed him and there's a conspiracy there's information to point you in either of those
directions and in all four of those directions and there's certainly evidence out there to talk about more
theories than just what we covered here today and to do so on the next episode we asked James Renner our good friend is
he the only guy that's returned that's come back to the garage multiple times the rest of them are dead the rest of
them rest of them didn't want to see they're all in the body shaft but we we asked our good friend James Renner to
sit down and talk to us about the ray Greek our case because this is one that he covered back in the day and he spent
quite a bit of time he worked for a newspaper I believe and a lot of people know him from the mara Murray
disappearance and have some strong opinions uh good and bad for Mr Renner we are on the good side obviously but
we've asked him to talk with us about this Greek our case because this is one that he looked into for quite some time
and he got a bunch of information and theories from some of the locals well he's just a very interesting guy to uh
pick his brain and the fact that he covered this case made it even more interesting and the the great thing
about him is he didn't hold back on some of the crazier theories he and not saying that he believes in them he just
kind of lays them out for everybody so join us in the garage here tomorrow with our good friend James Renner
foreign [Music] thanks for listening thanks for telling a friend until next time be good be kind
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Friday, April 15, 2005 - 59 year old Ray Gricar, the district attorney for Centre County, Pennsylvania called into work. He said he would not be coming into work that day. He let his girlfriend know that he planned to take a drive and do some antique shopping. He never returned home. The next day investigators found his vehicle parked at an antique shop's dirt lot. The car was locked and Ray's cell phone was found inside the car. The scene was eerily familiar to that of Ray's brother's suicide years ago. What happened to Ray Gricar? Had many years as a prosecutor made him one too many enemies? Was Ray's case tied to the Penn State scandal? Or was Ray living a secret life and decided to walk away? Tonight we discuss one of the most fascinating disappearances from the state of Pennsylvania. Beer of the Week - Brawler by Yards Brewing Company Garage Grade - 3 and a half bottle caps out of 5

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Brief Summary

Ray Greekar, a Pennsylvania DA, vanished in 2005 under mysterious circumstances; theories include foul play and connections to the Sandusky case.

Key points

The Disappearance of Ray Greekar. Ray Greekar, a district attorney, mysteriously vanishes after a day off. His girlfriend's concern leads to a police investigation.
Laura's Heartfelt Plea. Laura Greekar makes a public plea for her father, expressing her love and hope for his return.
The Mysterious Cigarette Ash. Cigarette ash found in Ray's locked car raises questions about who was in the vehicle.
The Search for Ray Greekar. Ray Greekar's disappearance leads to various theories, including possible foul play.
Unusual Computer Searches. Before his disappearance, searches on Ray's home computer raised eyebrows.
The Rise of Sandusky. Jerry Sandusky, a prominent figure in college football, used his power to exploit young boys.

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