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killings fight and coeds at Florida State University in Tallahassee walked a class in groups today while detectives
tried to track a man who slipped into a sorority house early yesterday and murdered two women David dick
reports the killer struck first at the kai Omega sorority house police say he simply walked in through an unlocked
door they say he was armed with a heavy Oak log he clubbed and then strangled to
death 20-year-old Lisa Levy and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman at least one of them was raped then he brutally beat
three more sleeping co-eds Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner Cheryl an Thomas was severely beaten in her
apartment six blocks away their conditions today fair to Serious the killer came in from the
night and then returned to it with an ease that has so far baffled police and left most co-eds here terrified
Blood Stained bed sheets and numerous bags of other evidence were prepared at the Tallahassee Police Department for
transfer to the crime lab Sergeant Howard Winkler was one of the first on the scene when he hit the girls uh I
just don't think they had a chance to to fight back I think it just went in and hit I just don't think they had a chance
to cry out Captain Burl peacock of the criminal investigation division says he thinks it
will be a very difficult case to solve what kind of a person do you think is at large well I'd rather say we've got a
very disturbed sick individual a university crime prevention officer visited Florida State sororities today
urging hous mothers to take stricter security measures but many co-eds remained worried and badly frightened I
think everybody's scared all the time I'm even just walking to classes and today we've been keeping our doors
locked during the day too which we don't usually do the front door of the kega house was not only locked today a
policeman stood guard on the others side the house mother stepped out a few moments but would not talk in front of a
camera she said they were just lovely girls it has been a harrowing experience David dick CBS News
Tallahassee FBI agents and Florida police are questioning a man by the name of Theodore Robert bundai about the
killing of two Florida State State University co-eds in January and attacks on three other co-eds Bundy had escaped
New Year's Eve from a Colorado jail where he was a suspect in 36 rapes and murders mostly in the west over a 7-year
period he was recaptured Wednesday morning arrested in Pensacola Florida on a stolen car charge but he gave the
police another name and it wasn't until last night that he was identified as Bundy all the police are saying for now
is that Bundy is cooperating and talking with investigators the car he was driving had been reported stolen in
Tallahassee the scene of the Florida State campus problem Leslie President Carter leaves today on
his Pensacola Florida police are questioning a man they say may be one of the worst sex murderers of all time we
have a report from Bruce Hall police arrested this 31-year-old man after a high-speed chase Wednesday morning in
Pensacola Florida he claimed to be a Florida State University law student but now he has been positively identified as
prison escape e Theodore Bundy a suspect in the raped murder cases of at least 36
young women in California Washington Oregon Utah Colorado and Michigan he is also on the FBI's 10 most wanted list
among the first to arrive to question bunday were these detectives from Tallahassee Florida where two coeds were
murdered and three others savagely beaten last month Tallahassee officials would not talk to the Press but they did
talk to the state attorney in Pensacola I do know though that they told me that he was a definite suspect in their
investigation it has been learned that Bundy has been living in this Tallahassee apartment since a few days
after he escaped from a Colorado prison on New Year's Eve the apartment is less than a mile from the Kaio mea sorority
house in Florida State where the highly publicized attacks took place in mid January when Bundy was arrested police
said he had in his possession 21 stolen credit cards all from coeds at the University this afternoon Bundy was
taken to court where he was ordered held without bond he will remain in Pensacola
under tight security until authorities can determine if he will be charged with the Florida State State University
murders and what state has the strongest case against him Bruce Hall CBS News [Music]
mobile let's see where we left off here Captain last we spoke we were talking about Ted Bundy and last time we saw him
he was locked up in a Utah jail and he was being charged with the abduction uh and the attack that he did on Carol
Donan this was the woman that he pretend to pretended to be a police officer told
her that her car was broken into at the shopping mall and he needed her to go back to the police department with him
so that he could take a statement and maybe she could identify uh the person that that supposedly broke into her car
nobody broke into her car this is just Bundy being Bundy with one of his uh multiple roses that he would use to get
somebody into his vehicle right um and one thing we got to think about here when we talk about these type of people
okay what kind of people are you serial killers okay um and one thing Psychopaths one thing that goes
unnoticed a lot or or not so much uh talked about but one thing I was thinking about last night in particular
with Ted Bundy is that yeah he had his murder rape kit that he would keep in his vehicle that would travel around
with him and this was you know we talked about those things that were found when
he was arrested these were things like an ice pick and a ski mask and gloves and uh sometimes he would have a crowbar
in there I think actually all the time he had a crowbar in there that seemed to be his kind of go-to um The Ice Pick I
don't really I always wondered why he had that ice pick uh I don't know if he was going to let's say graduate to a
different form of killing because typically what he would do is is hit people over the head with the Crowbar so
that he could gain control of them but he didn't kill them in that manner he he was a Strangler uh he would strangle
these women uh usually what he would do is hit them over the head with the Crowbar he's got control of them he
would rape them and then he would rape them again as he was killing them as he was strangling them mhm and um sometimes
he would even rape them again after they had they had died now uh the thing with
the ice pi is you know people you see this when you talk about Ted Bundy you can look up anything on Ted Bundy and
and pictures and you're going to see pictures of this ice pick but I think the ice pick was actually something that
he thought he would use to gain access to somebody's home I think it was more of a burglar type tool that he was going
to break in with the ice pick to house if he needed to um well with dmer for example like D's apartment was they used
that as you know uh here's this crazy psychopath and we need to study him after the fact in Ted Bunny's case it
seems like it's his uh car you know that his car is the equivalent of the the apartment you're exactly right and
that's one thing I was trying to touch on here with with Bundy and with multiple serial killers you see this
time and time again the vehicle is as much of a killing tool as that rape and and murder kit or or the apartment
exactly it's it's another tool and I'm sure that that uh dmer outfitted his apartment in a way that would make
killing easier for him or or holding them captive easier for him just as Bundy did with his
vehicle he used his vehicle as a trolling device I mean Bundy was driving all the time he drove constantly you
know we talk about he was living in Utah and he was driving all the way to Colorado to find victims But Not only
was he driving all the time he was outfitting his car he was unscrewing the passenger seat why would he do that well
because if he had to throw a body in there it would be low the body would be down inside and it wouldn't be visible
to people that he was passing by yeah or the handle the passenger handle wasn't there was no handle so he removed the
handle so if you're trying to get away from him you you're less likely to be able to do so one one of the things that
I found creepiest about you know as far as like serial killer goes and fascination with different Killers um
but bu wouldn't be on my top of the list like you know before we actually started
diving into him uh one of the things that I thought was so disturbing uh is how he would like put
makeup on some of the victims after they're dead he's like revisiting their um the spot where they
died and sometimes and and this is just speculation I don't think they have any proof of this other than there's now
makeup on this body that shouldn't have makeup on it almost like somebody went back and redid their makeup yeah well
what he was doing and and a lot of people have speculated that Bundy was a a necropile well yes he he had sex with
dead corpses and so he was you know I'm sorry if you're listening to this your morning commute and we just said that
Bundy had sex with dead corpses but he was having sex with dead corpses I don't I he he was in every sense of the word a
necrophiliac however there are some killers that their whole reason for killing is to have sex with the dead
body that I don't think was the situation with Ted Bundy I think his his thing that he was after was the rape
while committing the murder I think that was his big thing the with the whole necrofilia thing for him I think that
that was just it was kind of a way to slow him from killing somebody else you know he could go back and and mentally
revisit that victim and revisit his crime rather because it easy do now the thing with you said
Bundy you know wouldn't have been at the top of your list but I'm sure he's moved
significantly up there since we we started looking at him but the one thing that for me he he has been on the top of
my list forever and and the the reason being is that he was so unique especially for the time uh and he was
such a problem for the investigators he was doing things at the time that that you might see serial killers do uh more
recently but he knew to that that it was to his advantage to commit different crimes in different jurisdictions he
knew that the police didn't really talk to one another and that they would have a problem linking these crimes and I but
I think that's where primarily Bundy um where serial killers get this idea of when when
people are profiling a killer they start saying all above uh above level intelligence and I think it's coming
from Ted Bundy uh look at like somebody like Ed Gan or somebody like that you're
not going to see above level intelligence and and I think so but I don't want to glorify it I don't want to
glamorize him I mean this guy was a complete psychopath uh and and more so and and that's what
was fascinating to me when looking into him is just how sick of a person he was it climbed on the list not that I admire
the guy in any sense of the term but just when you think of somebody like Ed Gan for example oh man this guy's
horrific this is disgusting Bundy was above that head and shoulders above that oh yeah big time I mean and but the the
other thing too that made him so dangerous was his modus operandi he did not he didn't have a specific one um you
know where you'll see some Killers where you know like a long haul killer they they their modus up Arend eyes pretty
much the same time and time again all you know I just need to pick up this uh working girl from a truck stop and she's
in my truck and now she's mine she's she's she's dead and where with Bundy he didn't have a typical way of finding his
victims he would adapt to the situation you know we've seen we didn't talk about
all of his crimes but just kind of a quick overview you know he didn't he didn't just pick up women that he would
trick into getting into his car no there were more than one occasion where he would break into a house and he would he
would obtain the victim there he would steal them from their home and we saw one situation where the girl was living
with four other people I mean how risky is that he breaks into a home he could have been seen by any of those other
four people or fought off um and instead he he knocks her unconscious and he takes her with him you know and what
else did he do he would also just pick up random hitchhikers you know just he would see an opportunity and he would
seize the moment yeah that's that's what's kind of strange here is you know he's not an opport opportunist killer
all the time sometimes he's creating that opportunity it's it's it's really fascinating I mean he's a and then what
we're going to be talking about today is you know the the the escapes and the and
the trials I mean that's just a whole another level of of this madness that is Ted Bundy and the other thing about his
vehicle being his killing tool is think about that we talked about the seat the passenger seat that he would unscrew
from the floorboards and and you know he would sometimes he would have the seat in sometimes he would have the seat out
well that whole thing you could kind of figure out what he's doing there because
he needed to remove the seat to hide the bodies as he was transporting them right
but at other times he needed the seat to be there why because if I slow down to pick up a hitchhiker and I have no
passenger seat well she's not getting in my car right you know so this is a it was definitely his vehicle the VW Bug
was definitely his number one killing tool in my opinion uh as well as a crowbar and we talked about this a
little bit yesterday uh you know just between me and you and I thought it was an interesting tidbit to bring up on the
show did he have some Advantage by having a VW VW Bug was there any advantage there you
know like um did did women feel less uh threatened by this more you know more of
a kind of a I mean it's more of a college student car and and you'll hear when when people talk about the the
people that came forward and said oh yeah I was in his vehicle and I just thought and one of her lines was well
it's here's this college kid and this is just a college car there there probably
was some Advantage like you said if he was driving a giant monster truck with giant tires uh you know maybe that
wouldn't let these women's guard down as much I I agree yeah I mean exactly if he
had a monster truck or if he had a white van you know the the typ typical creepy
white van white Bronco yeah that I I don't think as many women would have gotten his car but his thing his victim
that he wanted his victimology was attractive college age women and uh you know they see this somewhat you know
good-look man who's well spoken and he's driving the typical college boy car um and it he had better Grammer than we did
I'm sure that he did um so where we left off was Bundy is in jail in Utah he's being charged with the Abduction of
Carol D and for that he is pretty easily convicted because she can look right at
him and go uh yes judge and jury uh that's the guy that that tricked me into his car and tried to kill me right um
now he's he gets a sentence it's a 1 to 15-year sentence uh so you know with good behavior he's going to get out in
one year's time now during the process of this that's just because it's a single attack yeah they they're not
linking it to everything else and here's where the links start to happen there is
a detective his name is Jerry Thompson he remember the uh a similar suspect that was
described from um a a few different cases that was going on and now remember we had said that there were gas receipts
that were found in Bundy's vehicle when he was arrested now these gas receipts would put him in areas uh and at the
same time of other killings that were going on so while he's sitting there with his one year to go uh he is
extradited to the state of Colorado because they have now linked him to one of the murders in Colorado at the same
time the police were searching Bundy's apartment after he was arrested and he after he was convicted and during this
time they found other things too they found a guide to the Colorado ski resort uh this was the Wildwood Inn now
remember this is where uh a young woman 23-year-old Karen Campbell was she she was a nurse from Michigan but she was on
vacation with her boyfriend and she V from uh the hotel there and this is at the ski resort while on a ski trip and
so they with with the gas receipts and with this uh Guide to the ski resort they're able to put Ted Bundy at that
place and know that he might have had you know might have been the one that killed or took Karen Campbell uh the
other situation that's going on too is they found a brochure this was an advertisement for the the vont high
school play now this is where uh Debbie Kent had disappeared this is where he was seen in the parking lot going up to
different students and trying to get them in his car so Bundy's been extradited to Colorado where he's going
to be charged with the death of Karen Campbell now during this situation he he's in jail there right but he's also
assisting in his own defense and part of that he Bundy is ever so the con man he's always conning he's always scheming
that's what makes him so dangerous and he's always manipulating every situation and he has told the judge he said you
know what since I'm working on my defense since I'm assisting in my own defense I need to have access and be
treated a little differently than you would treat your typical murder suspect right he's saying you know I can't be
Shackled because I need I need to be working and I need to be studying and working on my own defense and on on top
of that he needs access to uh you know the library where he can do do research so so not only is he not Shackled and
arguably arguably one of the D most dangerous men of all time in my opinion he's not Shackled he's manipulated his
way into the library now he's in the library well dangerous but mainly to women I mean yeah I mean not saying that
he's above killing a man but he you know his motivations to me aren't just kill willy-nilly
but he he has access to this Library this library is part of the courthouse in part of the jail so it it's on the
second floor they hold court on the first floor and on the second floor was the library I believe nowadays it's
actually a it's another Court um but he's up in the library and he's working and he's doing his studying he's
probably not really studying he's scheming the whole time this is Ted Bundy now he uses the you know how the
standing bookshelves they create aisles with those standing bookshelves well he used one of those to kind of uh hide
what he was doing but they had an open window they would leave the window open on the second floor to get you know cool
air into the to the building uh so nobody can see what he's doing but he basically jumps out of the Second Story
window and this is this is not like a 8ot drop you know this is a pretty a pretty big drop uh I would speculate
that most people would break an ankle or a leg jumping out of that uh window I've
seen pictures of it on the Internet it's not a jump that I would make but he he makes the jump and Bundy's a weird dude
man he he he gets lucky not only is he scheming but he gets he gets lucky from time to time much to uh much to our
dismay right but he should have broken in his ankle when he jumped out of that window he did not he he did severely
strain sprain his leg um and they would see evidence of that later but we somebody spots him and says well
somebody just jumped out of that window right you know and so they go in and they tell uh they tell the the the
people in charge you know somebody just jumped out of your second story window and their first thought is oh uh who who
has access to that Bund oh God I hope it's not Bundy and sure enough it is Bundy it doesn't get any weirder than
this I mean truth you know truth is always stranger than fiction right and this is like a horror flick you know
like at the end of the movie when they're they're sitting in Thea in the canoe and or the the boat on the lake
and you think everything's safe and then Jason Vorhees just jumps out of the water all of a sudden that's this moment
you know we have this guy that is he's been charged and convicted of an a serious attack on car Carol DCH in a
neighboring state now he's in Colorado having been charged with the murder of Karen Campbell and he's suspected in the
death of the 17-year-old but not been charged yet and he's just jumped out of a second story window and he's on the
loose I mean it doesn't get any more terrifying than this well this is more like when Mike Myers breaks out of the
Looney Bin you're exactly it's more like that part but anyways let's get back we'll go back into Bundy right after
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2023 and we're back cheers everybody cheers so where we left off now Ted Bundy has he's escaped from the
courthouse right M and he's jumped out of this window and somehow he did not break an ankle didn't break his leg but
remember there was that person that came in and notified them very quickly that hey somebody some dude just jumped out
your window right um so what happens here is he actually they they set up roadblocks because they need to get this
guy as quick as they can and he sneaks past one of those roadblocks he's on foot but what he did was he he shed his
clothes as soon as he jumped out of the window so not only this is where we know
that he was planning to escape that day he didn't just get lucky and happen stance he's like oh the window's open
I'm going for it well yeah but like we said said he's he's you know not only is he a psychopathic murderer he's a con
artist as well and whatever Garb he was given to wear uh being in jail he underneath of that he had regular
looking clothes so after he jumps out of the window he sheds these uh the the the
jail Garb or whatever it is and he's in regular looking clothes and he sneaks past the roadblock well he heads up into
the uh Aspen Mountain well now Bundy is as clever as he is and as much as a con man and manipulator as he is he he's you
know he can manipulate a jail system or a prison system but he can't really manipulate the the Wilderness right
Mother Nature yeah so he he's up there and he's trying to survive as he's eluding capture and some of the things
he does while he's up there he's breaking into cabins that have nobody in it and uh he's stealing you know clothes
and food and uh I think he even took a rifle from one of the cabins you know he's looking he's become a survival list
let's say right he's he's out on the Run uh he's only loose for about six days and they end up capturing him and he
looks you can find pictures of him on the internet from when he got back from uh from his little uh trip up in the
Aspen Mountain but he looks like like he aged 10 years during that six days so he's back in jail and now they they will
transfer him to another jail um and this is supposed to be you know there's more
security at the Garfield um prison now so they warn him they warn the prison they're like okay look this guy he's he
didn't just we don't think he just killed this Karen Campbell we think he's killed all kinds of women and if he gets
out he is going to try to escape that's who he is right we we've seen seen this already yeah and so he's going to try to
escape and if he gets out he's going to kill as many women as he can that's just
in his nature that's what he does he's an evil guy mhm now but Ted being Ted you know he he's he talks to the guards
you know he talks to the administrators there and he you know he he has a way of
talking to people and befriending people so they kind of let their guard down yeah and one of the things that you see
in this video uh some of the clips is there's a man walking Ted in and Ted is handcuffed and you can tell that
whoever's respon I don't know if this guy's a lawyer or if he's a police officer or whatever he is but you can
see him and Ted joking and laughing at each other while they walk into the courtroom and and we're also looking at
this all hindsight so you have this guy that as far as you know major offenses he tried to attack somebody and now we
think he's responsible for this murder we don't have all this evidence we don't have all this proof we don't have all
the confessions that Ted gave so him being such a Charming guy I bet a lot of these prison guards just thought nah
this guy probably didn't do it mhm you know so it you know and with him being so charming and almost so
normal you know I could see why people would be like well maybe he didn't do this at at the time well you got to keep
in mind too who are we dealing with and I don't think the authorities knew exactly who they were dealing with yeah
he was a law student but he was going into law with he wanted to be a politician and you know that's usually
the way you come up and he wasn't going into law necessarily to practice law I believe he wanted to be a politician and
if you follow his younger life especially when he was at U University of Washington
he's taking part in the Republican party you know he's he's doing things he so traditionally what are politicians
they're people that are good at speaking and good at talking and communicating with other people lying you know yeah
and so this is who he is I mean and we talked about he worked at that crisis hotline this is a guy that liked to talk
to people and uh and again it lets their guard down well I do have to fault this
uh I do have to fault the people that worked at this jail because they were warned okay now and think about this too
and this is the second jail on behind the eyes between behind his you know he's he's a some people have said he's a
good-look man maybe he's an average looking man I don't know but behind this regularl looking dude who who is
outgoing and who is happy to speak with people and communicate with it he's Charming behind those eyes inside he
looks like Frankenstein you know he looks like Frankenstein's monster and he he is an absolute monster he's one of
the worst of the worst now if you could see him if he looked like Frankenstein's
monster they would have housed him in a much different way and they didn't as you said they didn't fully know what
they were dealing with but they were warned and they let their guard down and this is on them you know and actually
things that would take place later this I put that a lot of that on them now they put him in the cell okay and at the
on the ceiling there was a light fixture now this light fixture should have been
welded to the ceiling that that would be the typical thing in most cells this one
was not and actually the uh the jail house they talked about you know they looked at the light fixture before they
put Ted Bundy in that cell and they thought eh no it doesn't need to be fixed there's no way that he can get up
there and furthermore some of the other inmates start coming to the administrators and to the warden and to
the the correction officers and they're saying you know at night when we're in lying in bed we can hear somebody up in
the up in the rafters up in the ceiling moving around at night yeah uh and we're
pretty sure it's it's Mr Theodore Bundy over there yeah I mean cuz it it wasn't happening before this guy shows up and
now he's here and we hear this wrestling at night well and what he did was he was getting
money okay uh again everything going Ted's way he was getting money because there were people back in Washington and
people in Utah that were friends of his and they thought he was innocent there was actually not a whole lot of evidence
in this this murder trial mhm uh and he's he's working with his attorneys he's assisting in his own defense and
actually things are going his way in the court you know other than having the brochure I'm sorry for other than having
the map uh regarding the ski lodge there's no real evidence other than the gas receipt and this and this map to the
ski lodge well and this is before that I mean they had DNA but this is you know I'm sure that if DNA was uh more
important back then they probably would have some DNA in this case well maybe not because you got to keep in mind that
this uh Campbell lady um at at this point she she had vanished you know they they don't know where she is um all
right so no body correct and the way that this attack went down you know she is she's a nurse and she her boyfriend
is a doctor where she works and he's older he's divorced and he has some children and they're on vacation
together at this ski lodge and there's a heated pool outside and um they were down poolside and she decided to return
to the room to get a magazine or get something to read well she goes up to get her book or magazine and she's never
seen again he he snatched her somewhere between her walking from the pool up to the room MH so again not a lot of
evidence and things are going his way in the courtroom he he this case might have
gotten thrown out he may have gotten a quiddle on this case because they were what evidence they did have he was
starting to get it thrown out of the tri and so pretty much circumstantial evidence he right and he wasn't the main
lawyer in this case he's just assisting right but I mean he was a intellectual guy and and knew the system so I mean I
I wonder how much uh he had influence over what was happening in the courtroom that I don't know but uh he as I said he
was getting money from his friends from Washington and from Utah to assist with his defense you know to to pay for
whatever it is that he needs to to uh get his acle he had accumulated just over $700 yeah and like we talked about in
the previous episode I mean he worked Not only was he you know a law student but he worked uh with the Republican
party and and by having those connections he had people with power and money well and $700 back then I don't I
can't I don't know the math on it but I'm guessing it would be about over you know $2,000 or more than $2,000 today
yeah which is not a bad chunk of change if you're in jail and somehow he he gets
a uh now keep in mind this is this is a jail so we have we do have a lot of nonviolent offenders that are serving
time there um and so they have different privileges I'm sure that they have some
kind of workhouse or they're you know as we talked about in the uh Texas 7 you know the sometimes people work uh as
custodians or or repair men inside the jail itself self somehow Ted Bundy gets a hold of a
saw um so not only does he have this light fixture that's not properly installed in his cell he accumulates a
saw he has over $700 cash on him now this is on New Year's Eve so not only is their guard down because they might like
the guy but you know they're probably not working as hard as they should be on New Year's
Eve and maybe less officers on duty well you know one thing that was interesting
that he was doing that they figured out was with the saw because You' think that
would create a lot of noise right he would wait till the other inmates were showering because that generates a lot
of noise and that's when he would be cutting and doing you know tearing things apart to create this Escape Route
through the the light fixture um so what he does on New Year's Eve is he's got books and he's got his files for his
trial in his cell with him so he can be working on these things when he needs to
mhm he puts those he kind of piles them up in his bed and puts the covers over top of it to look like somebody's
sleeping in the bed right right climbs up into the light fixture into the the ceiling and now he's running around in
the ceiling and he drops down into they had like a an apartment that was attached to the building and this is
where one of the higher level uh uh employees would live and they happen to be out on a date because it's uh it's
new yeah that's a night that you want to go out you want to take your girl out yeah
you want to get the midnight kiss right so he drops down into this apartment and
he's able to obtain all of that employees civilian clothes so he he sneaks out of there and
they just so happen to fit him yeah well I don't know but it's Bundy things seem
to go his way he couldn't like they couldn't like have a husky guy like a really husky guy like a 400 pounder
right um so he's now wearing civilian clothes he has money and he's he gets out and what
is he do he buys a plane ticket and he flies to Chicago now this is going to be this whole Adventure here this is going
to be you know uh uh Planes Trains and Automobiles for Mr Bundy because he ends up in Chicago where in Chicago he takes
a train to Michigan in Michigan he steals a car now I read his account on his car thievery he was not a great car
theft but he said back in the 70s you know a lot of people would just leave their keys in the car you know and they
didn't lock their doors so different times back then he would just find a a you know a regular street with a lot of
cars parked on it and just walk up to each one checking the door handles if it's unlocked he would get in look for a
key and he finds an unlocked door to a car and it finds the keys I don't know if it was underneath the seat or up in
the uh the visor but he you know he drives this car down to Atlanta and then he takes a a bus he wanted to go to
Florida he had this planned out he wanted to go to Florida why because think about his
victimology he likes College age attractive women that's that's his victims that's what he's looking for he
was probably looking for something close to the water you know where there's it's
no secret there's good-look Ladies by the water and there's plenty of colleges in every state but there's plenty of
colleges in Florida he doesn't get anything by the water but he ends up in Tallahassee Florida now he he moves into
a like a boarding house right uh on the campus for Florida State University and he's posing as a grad student because by
this time he would have been he would have been in his 30s in his early 30s by this time so he's not of the exact
College age but he's posing as a grad student and he's going by the name of Chris Hayden Chris Hagen I'm sorry is
this when he grew out a beard I you know I'm not certain because if you look if you if you follow the trail of Ted
Bundy and you'll look at him throughout the years you know whether he be in Washington Utah Colorado Florida you
know he's he's in front of the camera a lot because he's arrested a lot he escapes a lot uh he's on several trials
um but he is ever changing his appearance you know this was another thing that he did this is you know the
the The Mastermind in quotes uh serial killer he's always changing his appearance you will see pictures of him
where he appears to be a little heavier than other times you know and he might wear big bulky sweaters uh he has a
beard at times he's clean shaven at other times yeah sometimes he has a mustache yeah he has long hair sometimes
other times he has very short hair um but he finds himself down in Florida State uh in
Tallahassee and he is going to this is in uh early 1978 uh this is actually January 14th he
is only been there for about two weeks now he gets he gets to Florida State and on the night of January 14th
he's going to go out and look for victims he said he said many years later that his intention was to go to Florida
and assume uh an identity and become a regular guy work a regular job and not commit any more crimes and he was just
going to live a regular life MH I don't believe that for a second because on the
night of January 14th he goes to it's like hold on I mean that could have been his intent and then he gets down there
couple days right and then you have these urges and then you just are what you are I mean he he is just you know a
devil and man form you're exactly right and and on the night of January 14th he goes to a dance club it's like a disco
Tech and he's trying to pick up young college age women at this at this club well he's not the Bundy of old you know
he can't he can't do what he once did they these women didn't find him Charming at all they said they they well
I I feel his pain they said that he he was extremely creepy he was his his eyes scared a lot of them his appearance
scared a lot of them he had these uh you know blue eyes but and and in some ways they they are
like you know it's a pretty blue color if you watch the interviews but man as pretty of a blue as it is there's a
super creep Factor when you look into them well I've heard some investigators and some detectives and FBI agents say
that you know I they say they can spot these type of monsters and they say that the giveaway is in the eyes now I've
looked at more pictures of serial killers than most people and nine times nine times out of 10 I can't see it uh
once in a while I can with Bundy there's some pictures out there when you his eyes aren't right you know what I mean
in some pictures you you can just see it well and if you watch a lot of his interviews especially um one of the
interviews before his death uh he blinks so many times I mean it's like he's blinking three four times more than a
normal person would blink so he's unable to pick anybody up at the at the Disco none of these women will go with him mhm
thank God but what happens is he he has this urge that he has to fill remember I
said earlier this guy is addicted to what he's doing he's addicted to killing he's addicted to raping women he's going
to end up with a victim that night or he's going to end up in jail or dead that's how this guy works right when he
doesn't get anybody at the Disco next door four is a sorority house and this is the kai Omega sorority house now I do
got to point out here that I don't believe that he intended when he left his apartment or his boarding house that
day when he left to go to the Disco I don't think he had any plans of going into the sorority house he clearly
wanted to pick up somebody at the Disco when that didn't work out to his way he started scheming he started planning
well and like I said before I mean he's not just the opportunist killer I mean he he is want like so when he's going to
the Disco Tech he is trying to create the opportunity mhm you know he's trying to lure somebody into his trap when that
doesn't work out now I have to you know I'm now going to go not create the opportunity I'm going to try to find the
opportunity and you heard in the news clip that we played earlier that the killer seemed to have just slipped into
an unlocked door into this Kai Omega sorority house what actually took place was he had gone there there at some
point late that night and he found the door unlocked now Ted being being the criminal that he is well I wonder how
many houses I mean just like when he went to steal cars you know he just keep checking and checking how many houses
did he check that were locked well he went and checked the sorority house and then he decided to wait he wanted to
wait until he thought that most if not all of the girls inside would be asleep this would make his his attack much
easier and well like we talked about before the other attacks he would attack somebody while somebody's sleeping In
the next room so I mean he's done this before yeah he's no stranger to this form of attack he goes around to the
back of the sorority house and he finds a a log um and he he goes into the sorority house and I I don't know how
many uh persons were living how many young ladies were living in there at the time but he the short of it is he
attacks four of them and he probably raped three or four of them while he was in there but it was a frenzy attack he
he went in with that log and he's bashing them over the head while they sleep and he's attacking them basically
room by room in the end out of the four girls attacked he ends up killing two of
them he I believe that he probably thought that all four were dead before he left the
house when he's when he's leaving yeah I I want to assume that who just walk walk
out thinking that oh somebody's going to live after this now here's somebody that
gets lucky as he's leaving there is a young lady that is kind of she is let's say hiding in the shadows she sees him
leave she she's able to make a a description she's able to finger this guy figure out who this guy is because
she sees his face as he's leaving and he's leaving the house with the log in hand he goes down the street like I said
I mean devil in man form and then rather than so this young lady has has she not only Witnesses him leaving
the house but she sees what took place in the house very quickly after he leaves so the police well yeah she sees
the Carnage right exactly and she has notified the authorities so Bundy rather than fleeing the area I mean he's he's
out walking around and can hear sirens mhm and another uh a a gentleman driving a vehicle he spots Bundy he's down the
street and he's still holding this log and I'm sure there's he's covered in blood oh yeah definitely and what does
he do instead of fleeing the area he this is this is how much of a monster he is think about this you know I talked
about him being addicted to killing this is like you know when when you have somebody that that is addicted to smack
all right let's say you're addicted to smack and you decide you're going to go off and you're going to go live
somewhere for 6 months and get clean you know he was addicted to killing and he gets locked up for for quite a bit of
time he can't kill anybody while he's locked up and whether whether or not he actually intended to go live a regular
life he he can't do that this is like the the guy that gets clean and then goes out and binges one night and does
so much so many drugs that they end up dead right he he's able to hold off only so long and now he's going to B Bing
he's going to binge that night and he he attacks Four Women and just blocks away
from the sority house he breaks into another home and he he attacks a woman there uh that that attack is cut short
because I I don't know why he I don't know if the if something uh prevented him from from or if she fended off the
attack killing him all the killing her all the way or if he in this situation as well thought that she was dead as
well he left there and then he goes goes to another home and he has the intention
of doing this again well he he's unable to do so because somebody living this was like one of those doubles you know
and so there's a a neighbor that's sharing a wall well the neighbor that's sharing the wall starts banging and
pounding on on the wall because they must have heard him break break into the house yeah well he is still not
satisfied so what what he does is he masturbates on the bed oh and then he then hold on I just I wasn't ready for
all that okay continue okay then he leaves and he returns to his apartment now some of his neighbors see him that
night and and the people that live um around the area if you if you could see pictures of this everybody lives very
very close and he had actually spoke to plenty plenty of those people in the short time that he was there now that
night when he returns these same people are talking to him and they say he is he's not even like human he doesn't even
seem to be human that's what I said I mean I I I believe the two sides of him you know he's he's very much I mean the
the the mythical not not not The Devil with the horns and all that and you know like horse legs or whatever but but the
devil when we talk about like the Antichrist right and we talk about here's this guy that's going to come to
power and then and they're going to be so charming and they're going to be a great speaker and all these things
that's like the two sides of him the one side of him is here's this standup guy he's sweet he's Charming he's he's a man
on a mission and then the other side of him is pure evil yeah it's very devil-like where you know because
because he was um given these talents of being outspoken being um a Charming individual it let him do his evil Deeds
MH now it again he's in this like they say he looks like he's in a trance and and as you were saying you know this is
like the monster rising to the top of the water you know what I mean he he the monster is come out in him and he can't
suppress this monster that night and even though he's left and he's returned to his apartment he's still in this
frenzy and they say he's incoherent he can barely talk uh he doesn't make any sense
um well and I wonder if he would get into some kind of uh you know murderous Zen State you know the because of the
adrenaline because of the addiction you know if this is if we think that there is some sort of addiction and there's
some sort of high he's getting then what kind of state does that bring him into well it's like what what OJ said right
in the in his book if I did it yeah you know what does he say that well if I would have done it I would have been in
a in a state that you know I wouldn't have known what was going on and I would have felt like I blacked out and when I
come to then I see the result of what has happened um you know almost like you're some murderous zombie or
something temporarily or the wolf man um he he keep on bringing up like The Wolf
Man in uh Frankenstein no he's the devil I mean this is by all I mean this is evil monster well not too long after
this horrible attack at the kai Omega sorority house he attacks um a young girl she's a 12-year-old uh girl and he
he takes her from uh her school this is much like we saw that he did in Utah um and he ends up getting caught right they
they chase him down in pensac Cola Florida and he's apprehended and now he is they they want to question him about
this stuff in Florida because it's all very obvious to them right now right it's very obvious that we got this
horrible dude we had no clue who did this killing at Kai Omega but now we we've apprehended Ted Bundy who's
capable certainly capable of doing these things and then on top of that we have the lady that that saw him leaving that
night she identifies Ted Bundy as the guy that was leaving this we have the other three that were attacked that are
still alive we we I I don't think they were able to identify him I think they were attacked so brutally
that uh possibly or in the dark too well and on top of it I think he hit them when they were sleeping so they they may
have been uh unconscious the entire time hopefully right but we have the lady leaving we got the guy driving his car
we have the other lady being attacked in the double that could have identified him well the other people that
identified him were all the girls that he went up to at the Disco Tech that was right next door to the sorority house
they were like creepy old dude they're like yes that's the guy that was at so so they know he just from those girls
they know he was at least next door and then they he spotted with the with the killing weapon with the log in his hand
coming out of the sorority house by the other girl I mean I'm glad we're covering this case cuz being 35 I mean I
I this I'm clearly too old to go to the Disco Tech that's you would have you would strike out every time so he
decides that he is going to uh represent himself in at his trial for the uh the deaths of the kai Omega girls yeah I say
girls but you know I'm I'm an old dude they're they're young ladies um now I tell you
what I you tell me what I'm going to tell you what you tell me what you anybody listening if you have any extra
time today or later this week Google and find some clips of Ted Bundy representing himself at trial and I tell
you what I don't want to try to make humor out of such a tragedy and such a horrible situation however there are
some what I find to be humorous parts of that trial because very humorous yeah he
he's sitting there at the table I'll give you one story right okay he's sitting at the table and um there's an
officer that is being um he's up on the stand and he's giving his testimony and now Bundy's going to have the
opportunity to cross-examine the witness yeah I mean like look just the fact that we know
hindsight right that he's one of the most notorious hero killers of all time uh he was on his defense before now he's
escaping you know he uh escaped from jail twice now he created these other murders now he's not on the defense team
he is the defense yes and he he has people counsel that he's working with and you can see this on some of these
clips but in this clip in particular he's like he's like leaning back in his chair and he's talking to I guess the
the people assisting in his defense and he's got one of those long yellow legal pads and he's like kind of making some
notes on it but he's supposed to already be standing up and cross-examining the witness so the judge has to remind him
you know but this must have taken place multiple times that that he's just not ready because the the judge doesn't even
explain to him you need to be ready the judge just simply calls out Bundy right because look he went tow La school but
he didn't finish and and so yeah you can defend yourself but they're going to treat you like you should know what the
heck to do and clearly he doesn't know what to do and he thinks he is so smart that he can outsmart the system so he's
parading around as if he watched a bunch of Matlock series you know like he's walking around like one his [ __ ] don't
stink and I I was born to do this yeah and he has this very odd thing where he is disassociating himself with the
murderer so he's Bundy the lawyer in his brain and he's defending Bundy the killer which he clearly doesn't think
he's the killer no and the Jud the judge just calls out Bundy and then Ted Bundy
gets up and it's he's going to cross-examine this officer that's just you know told his whole story right and
so he asked the officer he says you know officer when was the first time that you
spoke with Theodore Robert Bundy and the officer says well I spoke to you on this date and he says was that at
this location and the officer says yes it was at this location he says what time did you speak to Theodore Robert
Bundy and again the officer who's getting pissed off because of the the arrogance of this guy yeah and the odd
oddness of this of the yeah this crazy situation he says I spoke to you I spoke to you on this date at this location I
don't remember what time it was I spoke to you not this guy that you keep asking
and Ted bunny goes well then uh how how do we know what you're saying is true if
you do if you cannot recall the time that you cannot you there's no record of this uh conversation with Mr Theodore
Robert Bundy and the officer getting a little heated says again I know I spoke to you at this location yeah and then
Ted goes no further questions your honor and then he goes and sits down my favorite story of the or my favorite
thing that I noticed when I was watching the the the footage is he at one point he's making some statement and I maybe
he's talking to a coper I can't remember who he's he's he's talking to somebody on the stand and you can tell that he's
just really enjoying himself and he thinks he's winning you can like the as the trial goes on and on
he has swagger about him in the courtroom yeah but it's like as it goes on and on the Swagger becomes more and
more like I got got this [ __ ] right so then he's talking to some witness and he
goes over to the jury you know how lawyers do like I'm going to go approach the jury and and then get them on my
side and he approaches them and he kind of leans towards them and and and the defense at this point uh or the
prosecution at this point actually thinks we don't know what the read on the jury is that they thought this guy
is very charming and very intelligent at least in the courtroom and maybe the jury's buying this stuff well when he
leaned towards the jury all the jury members leaned away from him and I think you even hear one of them kind of gasp
like oh we didn't realize we were going to get that close to him right right yeah we understand that he's the lawyer
but he's the killer so I think they knew at that moment no the jury is afraid of
him and and probably based off that fear he'd be found guilty yeah and you're exactly right that
you you do not have a good defense if the jury itself is afraid of you you know um and it didn't take long to
convict him uh the trial might have been longer than it needed to be but on July
24th 1979 they deliberated the jury deliberated for less than 7even hours before convicting him of two murders in
the kai Omega attack and including uh three counts of attempted first-degree murder for the other victims as well um
this at at the trial the judge uh he does impose death sentences for the murder convictions M and this is
happening in Florida so uh they don't dilly dally around they're not going to wait 30 years to try to kill you yeah
and you know what there is a strange situation regarding the Bundy case itself um there I read this
um it and I I think it might just be a rumor so I'm not going to say where I read it uh but there's a statement that
that when Bundy was working with his Council in the state of Colorado when he was going through that trial before he
escaped the second time and made it all the way to Florida that during the course of working with his Council he
had asked the attorney you know what state are they most likely to put you to death for murder and the attorney had
told him probably Georgia no no wait Florida Florida seems you know they seem to execute people faster there um and
you know nowadays we know it is Texas um you know that executes people the fastest but back then it may have been
Florida and you know if if that is true that he asked the attorney that and then
he then he went to Florida do you think he think he had a death wish do you think he had a some kind of you know
there's something to that yeah I wonder if like I said I mean there's kind of two sides of him
and maybe on some level you know he realized look I'm I'm not I can't stop well I there was another serial killer
um and he's been put to death since this but uh I heard him say in an interview that he was trying to speed up the
course of the death sentence he wanted to be executed as fast as possible and his explanation for this was I kill
people that's what I I absolutely love and enjoy killing people and if I ever get out I'm going to kill a whole buch
of people and he doesn't even think it's wrong in his opinion killing people is not wrong the seral killer right and he
says but I'm locked up and I'm in prison and I can't kill anybody in here so I don't want to be on this planet any
longer right and you know what this particular killer did was he act he actually killed somebody while he was in
prison because they wouldn't speed up his his death sentence then yeah let's I'm going to make uh I'm going to make
myself a real big problem in here and start killing people in prison well and and then you're going to have that on
your head and you're going to have to get rid of me you're you're exactly right that's exactly what happened
because the court system come out and they say well you have to go to trial for this other death now and he comes
back to the prison the the prison administrators and the court system and he says guess what I'm going to you know
if you're going to delay my death sentence I'm going to keep killing people in prison every chance I get
until then and all those deaths will be on your head so I don't know if the if the thing with Bundy is absolutely true
or not but I did find it interesting that he asked about what state would kill him or kill someone the fastest
yeah I wonder where where he's going through and and once he gets to jail we're going to see him really start
opening up uh and what his what is his motivation to for talking about these other killings I'm not really for sure
maybe to to stay off the death penalty for a while I'm not really for sure I can't get into I can't get inside the
devil's brain but there's so much more to talk about with Bundy and then his involvement in another case and that's
something I think we should get to tomorrow so how about a recommended reading yeah you know sometimes when we
do these double episodes for a case I don't always have two books to present um but there's so many bu you don't like
doing your job that's right slack it off uh but he doesn't like you doesn't want
you to read and get smart people there's a lot of Ted Bundy books out there and uh there's a lot of good ones and this
one is one that came out relatively recently this is called I Survived Ted Bundy by Ronda Stapley now who is Rhonda
Stapley well she was a good innocent Mormon girl and of course Ted Bundy is one of the most notorious Ser serial
killers of American History while their paths crossed one quiet Autumn afternoon
and yeah and you'd hear her in our first trailer yeah the first episode of Ted Bundy she's the one that got in the
vehicle she she missed the bus and she was waiting for the next bus and decided to hitchhike with the and she got into
the wrong car now this is a situation too where he thought he had successfully killed her um I recommend picking this
book up it's called I survive Ted Bundy by Ronda Stapley uh another interesting thing with this book too is Anne rule
did the forward well who is Anne rule well she is the woman she's very famous she's uh God Rest her soul she was one
of the best True Crime authors of all time uh she passed away I believe two years ago um but she as said one of the
best True Crime authors of all time she happened to work with Ted Bundy at the crisis hotline yeah she was the lady
that called in the tip about him exactly so she wrote the forward for this book and I believe that she had a hand in
getting it published as well so pick up I survived Ted Bundy by Ron to staple you can do that by going to True Crime
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After months and months of young women disappearing in Washington, Utah and then Colorado a man is finally apprehended. Police charge Ted Bundy with the kidnapping and assault of Carol DaRonch. Carol fled from Ted Bundy's VW bug after he brutally attacked her. Little did the authorities know this man could in fact be the Ted from Washington they have been looking for. The one that killed two young ladies at Lake Sammamish. Ted is extradited to Colorado and he is facing murder charges when he escapes. Join the manhunt for one of America's worst serial killers as we track Ted Bundy.

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Brief Summary

Ted Bundy brutally murdered two women at a sorority house and evaded capture before his trial and conviction.

Key points

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The Case of Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy, a notorious serial killer, is under investigation for multiple murders.
Bundy's Conviction. Bundy is convicted for the abduction of Carol D, but the links to other murders begin to surface.
Manipulating the System. Bundy convinces authorities to treat him differently, gaining access to resources for his defense.
The Escape. Ted Bundy jumps out of a second-story window and escapes from custody, evading roadblocks.
The Warning Ignored. Authorities are warned about Bundy's potential for escape, but they let their guard down.

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I just don't think they had a chance to cry out.

Sergeant Howard Winkler on the victims' chances during the attack.

6:42WatchNov 16, 2023

Tension

75/ 100High tension

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