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killings. Fighten co-eds at Florida State University in Tallahassee walked a class
in groups today while detectives tried to track a man who slipped into a sorority house early yesterday and
murdered two women. David Dick reports. The killer struck first at the Kyomega sorority house. Police say he simply
walked in through an unlocked door. They say he was armed with a heavy oak log. He clubbed and then strangled to death,
20-year-old Lisa Levy and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman. At least one of them was raped. Then he brutally beat three
more sleeping co-eds, Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner. Cherylyn Thomas was severely beaten in her apartment six
blocks away. Their conditions today fair to serious. The killer came in from the
night and then returned to it with an ease that has so far baffled police and left most co-eds here terrified.
Blood stained bed sheets and numerous bags of other evidence were prepared at the Tallahassee Police Department for
transfer to the crime lab. Sergeant Howard Winkler was one of the first on the scene.
>> When he hit the girls, uh I just don't think they had a chance to to fight back. I think he just went in and hit. I
just don't think they had a chance to cry. Captain Burl Peacock of the Criminal Investigation Division says he thinks it
will be a very difficult case to solve. What kind of a person do you think is at
large? Well, I'd rather say we've got a very disturbed, sick individual. >> A university crimerevention officer
visited Florida State sororities today, urging house mothers to take stricter security measures. But many co-eds
remained worried and badly frightened. >> I think everybody's scared all the time,
even just walking to classes. And today, we've been keeping our doors locked during the day, too, which we don't
usually do. >> The front door of the Kyomega house was not only locked today. A policeman stood
guard on the other side. The house mother stepped out a few moments, but would not talk in front of a camera. She
said, "They were just lovely girls. It has been a harrowing experience." David Dick, CBS News, Tallahassee.
>> FBI agents and Florida police are questioning a man by the name of Theodore Robert Bundy about the killing
of two Florida State University co-eds in January and attacks on three other co-eds. Bundy had escaped New Year's Eve
from a Colorado jail where he was a suspect in 36 rapes and murders, mostly in the West, over a 7-year period. He
was recaptured Wednesday morning, arrested in Pensacola, Florida on a stolen car charge. But he gave the
police another name, and it wasn't until last night that he was identified as Bundy. All the police are saying for now
is that Bundy is cooperating and talking with investigators. The car he was driving had been reported stolen in
Tallahassee, the scene of the Florida State campus problem. Leslie, >> President Carter leaves today on his
>> Pensacola, Florida police are questioning a man they say may be one of the worst sex murderers of all time. We
have a report from Bruce Hall. Police arrested this 31-year-old man after a high-speed chase Wednesday
morning in Pensacola, Florida. He claimed to be a Florida State University law student, but now he has been
positively identified as prison escapee Theodore Bundy, a suspect in the rape murder cases of at least 36 young women
in California, Washington, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, and Michigan. He is also on the FBI's 10 most wanted list. Among the
first to arrive to question Bundy were these detectives from Tallahassee, Florida, where two co-eds were murdered
and three others savagely beaten last month. Tallahassee officials would not talk to the press, but they did talk to
the state attorney in Pensacola. I do know though that they told me that he was a definite suspect in their
investigation. It has been learned that Bundy has been living in this Tallahassee apartment
since a few days after he escaped from a Colorado prison on New Year's Eve. The apartment is less than a mile from the
Kyomega sorority house at Florida State where the highly publicized attacks took
place in mid January. When Bundy was arrested, police said he had in his possession 21 stolen credit cards, all
from co-eds at the university. This afternoon, Bundy was taken to court where he was ordered held without bond.
He will remain in Pensacola under tight security until authorities can determine
if he will be charged with the Florida State University murders and what state has the strongest case against him.
Bruce Hall, CBS News, Mobile, Let's see where we left off here, Captain. Last we spoke, we were talking
about Ted Bundy, and last time we saw him, he was locked up in a Utah jail, and he was being charged with the
abduction uh and the attack that he did on Carol Danch. This was the woman that he pretend to pretended to be a police
officer. Told her that her car was broken into at the shopping mall and he needed her to go back to the police
department with him so that he could take a statement and maybe she could identify uh the person that that
supposedly broke into her car. Nobody broke into her car. This is just Bundy being Bundy with one of his uh multiple
ruses that he would use to get somebody into his vehicle. >> Right. Um, and one thing we got to think
about here >> when we talk about these type of people, okay, >> what kind of people are you
>> serial killers? Okay. Um, and one thing that >> psychopaths, >> one thing that goes unnoticed a lot or
or not so much uh talked about, but one thing I was thinking about last night in
particular with Ted Bundy is that yeah, he had his murder rape kit that he would
keep in his vehicle that would travel around with him. And this was, you know, we talked about those things that were
found when he was arrested. These were things like an ice pick and a ski mask and gloves and uh sometimes he would
have a crowbar in there. I think actually all the time he had a crowbar in there. That seemed to be his kind of
go-to. Um the ice pick, I don't really I always wondered why he had that ice pick. Uh, I don't know if he was going
to, let's say, graduate to a different form of killing because typically what he would do is hit people over the head
with the crowbar so that he could gain control of them, >> but he didn't kill them in that manner.
He he was a strangler. Uh, he would strangle these women. Uh, usually what he would do is hit them over the head
with the crowbar. He's got control of them. He would rape them and then he would rape them again as he was killing
them, as he was strangling them. Mhm. >> And um sometimes he would even rape them
again after they had they had died. Now uh the thing with the ice pick is, you know, people you see this when you talk
about Ted Bundy. You can look up anything on Ted Bundy and and pictures and you're going to see pictures of this
ice pick, but I think the ice pick was actually something that he thought he would use to gain access to somebody's
home. I think it was more of a burglar type tool that he was going to break in with the ice pick to house if he needed
to. Um >> well with Dmer for example, like Dmer's apartment was they used that as you know
uh here's this crazy psychopath and we need to study him after the fact. In Ted Bundy's case, it seems like it's his uh
car. You know that his car is the equivalence of the the apartment. So >> you're exactly right. And that's one
thing I was trying to touch on here with with Bundy and with multiple serial killers. You see this time and time
again. The vehicle is as much of a killing tool as that rape and and murder kit or or the apartment.
>> Exactly. It's it's another tool. And I'm sure that that uh Dmer outfitted his
apartment in a way that would make killing easier for him or or holding them captive easier for him just as
Bundy did with his vehicle. >> He used his vehicle as a trolling device. I mean, Bundy was driving all
the time. He drove constantly. You know, we talk about he was living in Utah and
he was driving all the way to Colorado to find victims. But not only was he driving all the time, he was outfitting
his car. He was unscrewing the passenger seat. Why would he do that? Well, because if he had to throw a body in
there, it would be low. The body would be down inside and wouldn't be visible to people that he was passing by.
>> Yeah. or the handle, the passenger handle wasn't there was no handle. So, >> he removed the handle. So, if you're
trying to get away from him, you you're less likely to be able to do so. >> One one of the things that I found
creepiest about, you know, as far as like serial killer goes and fascination with different killers, um but Bundy
wouldn't be on my top of the list like, you know, before we actually started diving into him. Uh, one of the things I
thought was so disturbing, uh, is how he would like put makeup on some of the victims after they're dead.
He's like revisiting their, you know, the spot where they died. And sometimes, and and this is just speculation. I
don't think they have any proof of this other than there's now makeup on this body that shouldn't have makeup on it.
Almost like somebody went back and redid their makeup. >> Yeah. Well, what he was doing and and a
lot of people have speculated that Bundy was a a necroile. Well, yes, he he had sex with dead corpses.
>> And so he was, you know, >> I'm sorry if you're listening to this your morning commute and we just said
>> that Bundy had sex with dead corpses, >> but he was having sex with dead corpses.
I don't I he was in every sense of the word a necrophiliac. However, there are some killers that their whole reason for
killing is to have sex with the dead body. That I don't think was the situation with Ted Bundy. I think his
his thing that he was after was the rape while committing the murder. I think that was his big thing. The with the
whole necroilia thing for him. I think that that was just it was kind of a way to slow him from killing somebody else.
you know, he could go back and and mentally revisit that victim and revisit his crime mentally and relive it, right?
>> And rather than going out and killing another person because it was easier or
something easy to do. Now, the thing with you said Bundy, you know, wouldn't have been at the top of your list, but
I'm sure he's moved significantly up there since we we started looking at him. But the one thing that for me he he
has been on the top of my list forever and and the the reason being is that he was so unique especially for the time uh
and he was such a problem for the investigators. He was doing things at the time that that you might see serial
killers do uh more recently, but he knew to that that it was to his advantage to
commit different crimes in different jurisdictions. He knew that the police didn't really talk to one another and
that they would have a problem linking these crimes. And I but I think that's where
primarily Bundy um where serial killers get this idea of when when people are profiling a killer they start saying oh
above uh above level intelligence >> and I think it's coming from Ted Bundy uh look at like somebody like Ed Gene or
somebody like that you're not going to see above level intelligence and and I think So, but I don't want to glorify
it. I don't want to glamorize him. I mean, this guy was a complete psychopath. Uh, and and more so, and and
that's what was fascinating to me when looking into him is just how sick of a person he was. It climbed on the list.
Not that I admire the guy in any sense of the term, but just when you think of somebody like Ed Gene, for example, oh
man, this guy's horrific. This is disgusting. Bundy was above that. >> Head and shoulders above that.
>> Oh yeah. Big time. I mean, and but the the other thing too that made him so dangerous was his modus operendi. He did
not he didn't have a specific one. Um you know where you'll see some killers where you know like a long haul killer.
They they their motus operendi is pretty much the same time and time again. All you know I just need to pick up this uh
working girl from a truck stop and she's in my truck and now she's mine. she's she's she's dead.
>> Mhm. >> And where with Bundy, he didn't have a typical way of finding his victims. He
would adapt to the situation. You know, we've seen we didn't talk about all of his crimes, but just kind of a quick
overview. You know, he didn't he didn't just pick up women that he would trick into getting into his car. No, there
were more than one occasion where he would break into a house and he would he would obtain the victim there. He would
steal them from their home. And we saw one situation where the girl was living with four other people. I mean, how
risky is that? He breaks into a home. He could have been seen by any of those other four people or fought off.
>> Um, and instead he he knocks her unconscious and he takes her with him, you know, and what else did he do? He
would also just pick up random hitchhikers, you know, just he would see an opportunity and he would seize the
moment. Yeah, that's that's what's kind of strange here is, you know, he's not an opport opportunist killer all the
time. Sometime he's he's creating that opportunity. It's it's it's really fascinating. I mean, he's a and then
what we're going to be talking about today is, you know, the the escapes and the and the trials. I mean, that's just
a whole another level of of this madness that is Ted Bundy. And the other thing about his vehicle being his killing tool
is think about that. We talked about the seat, the passenger seat that he would unscrew from the floorboards and and you
know he would sometimes he would have the seat in, sometimes he would have the seat out. Well, that whole thing you
could kind of figure out what he's doing there because >> he needed to remove the seat to hide the
bodies as he was transporting them, right? But at other times, he needed the seat to be there. Why? Because if I slow
down to pick up a hitchhiker and I have no passenger seat, well, she's not getting in my car, right?
>> You know, so this is it was definitely his vehicle, the VW bug was definitely
his number one killing tool in my opinion as well as the crowbar. >> And we talked about this a little bit
yesterday. Uh, you know, just between me and you and I thought it was an interesting tidbit to bring up on the
show. Did he have some advantage by having a VW VW bug? Was there any advantage there? You know,
like um did did women feel less uh threatened by this more, you know, it's more of a kind of a I mean, it's more of
a college student car and and you'll hear when >> when people talk about the the people
that came forward and said, "Oh, yeah, I was in his vehicle." And I just thought
and and one of her lines was, "Well, it's here's this college kid and this is just a college car there. There probably
was some advantage like you said if he was driving a giant monster truck with giant tires, uh, you know, maybe that
wouldn't let these women's guard down as much." >> I I agree. Yeah. I mean, exactly. If he
had a monster truck or if he had a white van, you know, the the typ typical creepy white van,
>> white Bronco. Yeah, that I I don't think as many women would have gotten his car,
but his thing, his victims that he wanted, his victimology was attractive collegeage women and uh you know, they
see this somewhat, you know, good-looking man who's well spoken and he's driving the typical college boy
car. Um and it >> he had better grammar than we did. >> I'm sure that he did. Um so where we
left off was Bundy is in jail in Utah. He's being charged with the abduction of Carol Dash. And for that, he is pretty
easily convicted because she can look right at him and go, "Uh, yes, judge and jury. Uh, that's the guy that that
tricked me into his car and tried to kill me." Right. >> Um, now he's he gets a sentence. It's a
one to 15year sentence. Uh, so, you know, with good behavior, he's going to get out in one year's time. Now, during
the process of this, >> but that's just because it's a single attack. >> Yeah. They're not linking it to
everything else. >> And here's where the links start to happen. There is a detective, his name
is Jerry Thompson. He remembers the uh a similar suspect that was described from
um a a few different cases that was going on. And now remember, we had said that there were gas receipts that were
found in Bundy's vehicle when he was arrested. Now, these gas receipts would put him in areas uh and at the same time
of other killings that were going on. So, while he's sitting there with his one year to go, uh he is extradited to
the state of Colorado because they have now linked him to one of the murders in Colorado. At the same time, the police
were searching Bundy's apartment after he was arrested and he after he was convicted. And during this time, they
found other things, too. They found a guide to the Colorado Ski Resort. Uh this was the Wildwood Inn. Now remember
this is where uh a young woman, 23-year-old Karen Campbell, was she she was a nurse from Michigan, but she was
on vacation with her boyfriend, and she vanished from uh the hotel there. And this is at the ski resort while on a ski
trip. And so they with with the gas receipts and with this uh guide to the ski resort, they're able to put Ted
Bundy at that place and know that he might have had, you know, might have been the one that killed or took Karen
Campbell. Uh the other situation that's going on too is they found a brochure. This was an advertisement for the the
Viewmont High School play. Now, this is where uh Debbie Kent had disappeared. This is where he was seen in the parking
lot going up to different students and trying to get them in his car. So, Bundy's been extradited to Colorado
where he's going to be charged with the death of Karen Campbell. Now, during this situation, he he's in jail there,
right? But he's also assisting in his own defense. And part of that, he Bundy is ever so the con man. He's always
conning. He's always scheming. That's what makes him so dangerous. and he's always manipulating every situation. And
he has told the judge, he said, "You know what? Since I'm working on my defense, since I'm assisting in my own
defense, I need to have access and be treated a little differently than you would treat your typical murder
suspect." Right? He's saying, you know, I can't be shackled because I need I need to be working and I need to be
studying and working on my own defense. And on on top of that, he needs access to uh you know the library where he can
do do research. >> So not only is he not shackled and arguably arguably one of the d most
dangerous men of all time in my opinion, he's not shackled, he's manipulated his
way into the library. Now he's in the library. >> Well, dangerous, but mainly to women. I
mean, >> I mean, not saying that he's above killing a man, but he, >> you know, his motivations to me aren't
just kill willy-nilly, >> but he he has access to this library. This library is part of the courthouse
and part of the jail. So, it it's on the second floor. They hold court on the first floor and on the second floor was
the library. I believe nowadays it's actually a it's another court. Um, but he's up in the library and he's working
and he's doing his studying. He's probably not really studying. He's scheming the whole time. This is Ted
Bundy. Now, he uses the, you know how the standing bookshelves, they create aisles with those standing bookshelves.
Yeah. Well, he used one of those to kind of uh hide what he was doing, but they had an open window. They would leave the
window open on the second floor to get, you know, cool air into the to the building. Uh so, nobody can see what
he's doing, but he basically jumps out of the second story window. And this is this is not like a 8ft drop, you know.
This is a pretty a pretty big drop. Uh I would speculate that most people would break an ankle or a leg jumping out of
that uh window. I've seen pictures of it on the internet. It's not a jump that I
would make, but he he makes the jump. And Bundy's a weird dude, man. He he gets lucky. Not only is he scheming, but
he gets he gets lucky from time to time, much to uh much to our dismay. Right. Right. But he should have broken his
ankle when he jumped out of that window. He did not. He he did severely strain sprain his leg. Um and they would see
evidence of that later, but we somebody spots him and says, "Oh, somebody just jumped out of that window, right?" you
know, and so they go in and they tell uh they tell the the the people in charge,
you know, somebody just jumped out of your second story window, and their first thought is, "Oh, uh, who who has
access to that?" The Bund Oh god, I hope it's not Bundy. And sure enough, it is Bundy. It doesn't get any weirder than
this. I mean, truth, you know, truth is always stranger than fiction, right? And
this is like a horror flick, you know, like at the end of the movie when they're they're sitting in the ca in the
canoe and or the the boat out on the lake and you think everything's safe and then Jason Vorhees just jumps out of the
water all of a sudden. That's this moment. You know, we have this guy that is he's been charged and convicted of an
a serious attack on car Carol Danch in a neighboring state. Now he's in Colorado
having been charged with the murder of Karen Campbell and he's suspected in the death of this 17-year-old but not been
charged yet and he's just jumped out of a second story window and he's on the loose. I mean it doesn't get any more
terrifying than this. >> Well, this is more like when Mike Meyers breaks out of the looney bin.
>> You're exactly right. >> It's more like that part. Anyways, let's get back we'll go back into Bundy right
after this quick beer break. And we're back. Cheers everybody. Cheers. So, where we left off now, Ted Bundy has
he's escaped from the courthouse, right? >> And he's jumped out of this window and
somehow he did not break an ankle, didn't break his leg. But remember, there was that person that came in and
notified them very quickly that, hey, somebody some dude just jumped out your window, right?
>> Um, so what happens here is he actually they they set up roadblocks because they
need to get this guy as quick as they can. and he sneaks past one of those roadblocks. He's on foot, but what he
did was he he shed his clothes as soon as he jumped out of the window. So, not only this is where we know that he was
planning to escape that day. He didn't just get lucky and happen stance. He's like, "Oh, the window's open. I'm going
for it." >> Well, yeah. But like we said, he's he's, you know, not only is he a psychopathic
murderer, he's a con artist as well. and whatever garb he was given to wear uh being in jail, he underneath of that he
had regularlook clothes. So after he jumps out of the window, he sheds these uh the the the jail garb or whatever it
is and he's in regular looking clothes and he sneaks past the roadblock. Well, he heads up into the uh Aspen Mountain.
Well, now Bundy is as clever as he is and as much of a con man and manipulator as he is, he he's, you know, he can
manipulate a jail system or a prison system, but he can't really manipulate the the wilderness,
>> right? Mother nature. >> Yeah. So, he he's up there and he's trying to survive as he's eluding
capture. And some of the things he does while he's up there, he's breaking into cabins that have nobody in it. and uh
he's stealing, you know, clothes and food and uh I think he even took a rifle from one of the cabins. You know, he's
looking he's become a survival list, let's say, right? He's he's out on the run. Uh he's only loose for about 6 days
and they end up capturing him and he looks you can find pictures of him on the internet from when he got back from
uh from his little uh trip up in the Aspen Mountain, but he looks like like he aged 10 years during that six days.
So he's back in jail and now they they will transfer him to another jail. Um, and this is supposed to be, you know,
there's more security at the Garfield um, prison now. So, they warn him. They warn the prison.
They're like, "Okay, look, this guy, he's he didn't just We don't think he just killed this Karen Campbell."
>> Mhm. >> We think he's killed all kinds of women, and if he gets out, he is going to try
to escape. That's who he is, >> right? We We've seen this already. >> Yeah. And so he's going to try to escape
and if he gets out, he's going to kill as many women as he can. That's just in his nature. That's what he does. He's an
evil guy. >> Now, but Ted being Ted, you know, he he's he talks to the guards, you know,
he talks to the administrators there, and he, you know, he he has a way of talking to people and befriending
people, so they kind of let their guard down. >> Yeah. And one of the things that you see
in this video, uh, some of the clips is there's a man walking Ted in and Ted is handcuffed
and you can tell that whoever's respond, I don't know if this guy's a lawyer or if he's a police officer or whatever he
is, but you can see him and Ted joking and laughing at each other while they walk into the courtroom. And and we're
also looking at this all hindsight. So, you have this guy that as far as, you know, major offenses, he tried to attack
somebody and now we think he's responsible for this murder. We don't have all this evidence. We don't have
all this proof. We don't have all the confessions that Ted gave. So, him being such a charming guy, I bet a lot of
these prison guards just thought, "Nah, this guy probably didn't do it." >> Mhm. you know, so it, you know, and with
him being so charming and almost so normal, you know, I could see why people would
be like, well, maybe he didn't do this at at the time. Well, you got to keep in mind, too, who are we dealing with? And
I don't think the authorities knew exactly who they were dealing with. Yeah, he was a law student, but he was
going into law with he wanted to be a politician, and you know, that's usually the way you come up. and he wasn't going
into law necessarily to practice law. I believe he wanted to be a politician. And if you follow his younger life,
especially when he was at um University of Washington, he's taking part in the Republican party. You know, he's he's
doing things. He's So, traditionally, what are politicians? They're people that are good at speaking and good at
talking and communicating with other people, >> lying, you know. >> Yeah. And so, this is who he is. I mean,
and we talked about he worked at that crisis hotline. This is a guy that liked to talk to people and uh and again it
lets their guard down. Well, I do have to fault this uh I do have to fault the people that worked at this jail because
they were warned. Okay. Now, and think about this, too. >> And this is the second jail
>> on behind the eyes between behind his, you know, he's he's a some people have
said he's a good-looking man. Maybe he's an average man. I don't know. But behind
this regularlooking dude who who is outgoing and who is happy to speak with people and communicate with them, he's
charming. >> Behind those eyes inside, he looks like Frankenstein. You know, he looks like
Frankenstein's monster. And he he is an absolute monster. He's one of the worst of the worst. Now, if you could see him,
if he looked like Frankenstein's monster, they would have housed him in a much different way. And they didn't, as
you said, they didn't fully know what they were dealing with, but they were warned and they let their guard down.
And this is on them, you know, and actually things that would take place later. This I put that a lot of that on
them. Now, they put him in this cell, okay? And at the on the ceiling, there was a light fixture. Now, this light
fixture should have been welded to the ceiling. That that would be the typical thing in most cells. This one was not.
And actually the uh the jail house, they talked about, you know, they looked at the light fixture before they put Ted
Bundy in that cell and they thought, "Eh, no, it doesn't need to be fixed. There's no way that he can get up
there." And furthermore, some of the other inmates start coming to the administrators and
to the warden and to the the correction officers and they're saying, >> you know, at night when we're in lying
in bed, we can hear somebody up in the up in the rafters, up in the ceiling, moving around at night.
>> Yeah. >> Uh and we're pretty sure it's it's Mr. Theodore Bundy over there. >> Yeah. I mean, cuz it it wasn't happening
before this guy shows up and now he's here and we hear this wrestling at night. >> Well, and what he did was he was getting
money. Okay. Uh again, everything going Ted's way. He was getting money because there were people back in Washington and
people in Utah that were friends of his and they thought he was innocent. There was actually not a whole lot of evidence
in this this murder trial. Mhm. >> Uh and he's he's working with his attorneys. He's assisting in his own
defense. And actually things are going his way in the court. You know, other than having the brochure, I'm sorry, for
other than having the map uh regarding the ski lodge, there's no real evidence other than the gas receipt and this and
this map to the ski lodge. Well, and this is before that DN I mean they had DNA, but this is, you know, I'm sure
that if DNA was uh more important back then, they probably would have some DNA in this case.
>> Well, maybe not because you got to keep in mind that this uh Campbell lady um at
at this point, she she had vanished. You know, they they don't know where she is.
>> Um >> All right. So, no body, >> correct? And the way that this attack went down, you know, she is she's a
nurse and she her boyfriend is a doctor where she works and he's older, he's divorced and he has some children and
they're on vacation together at this ski lodge and there's a heated pool outside
and um they were down poolside and she decided to return to the room to get a magazine or get something to read. Well,
she goes up to get her book or magazine and she's never seen again. He He snatched her somewhere between her
walking from the pool up to the room. >> So, again, not a lot of evidence and things are going his way in the
courtroom. He he this case might have gotten thrown out. He may have gotten a quiddle on this case because they were
what evidence they did have, he was starting to get it thrown out of the trial. And so, pretty much
circumstantial evidence, >> right? and he wasn't the main lawyer in this case. >> He's just assisting,
>> right? But I mean, he was a intellectual guy and and knew the system. So, I mean,
I I wonder how much uh he had influence over what was happening in the courtroom.
>> That I don't know. But, uh he, as I said, he was getting money from his friends from Washington and from Utah to
assist with his defense, you know, to to pay for whatever it is that he needs to
to uh get his acquitt. He had accumulated just over $700. >> Yeah. And like we talked about in the
previous episode, I mean, he worked not only was he, you know, a law student, but he worked u with the Republican
party and and by having those connections, he had people with power and money. >> Well, and $700 back then, I don't I
can't I don't know the math on it, but I'm guessing it would be about over, you know, $2,000 or more than $2,000 today.
>> Yeah. which is not a bad chunk of change if you're in jail. >> And somehow he he gets a uh now keep in
mind this is this is a jail so we have we do have a lot of nonviolent offenders that are serving time there. Um and so
they have different privileges. I'm sure that they have some kind of workhouse or
they're you know, as we talked about in the uh Texas 7, you know, that sometimes
people work uh as custodians or or repairmen inside the jail itself, somehow Ted Bundy gets a hold of a saw.
Um so, not only does he have this light fixture that's not properly installed in
his cell, >> he accumulates a Saul, he has over $700 cash on him. Now, this is on New Year's
Eve. So, not only is their guard down because they might like the guy, but you know, they're probably not working as
hard as they should be on New Year's Eve >> and maybe less officers on duty. >> Well, you know, one thing that was
interesting that he was doing that they figured out was with the saw, cuz you think that would create a lot of noise,
right? he would wait till the other inmates were showering because that generates a lot of noise and that's when
he would be cutting and doing, you know, tearing things apart to create this escape route through the the light
fixture. Um, so what he does on New Year's Eve is he's got books and he's got his files for his trial in his cell
with him so he can be working on these things when he needs to. Mhm. >> He puts those he kind of piles them up
in his bed and puts the covers over top of it to look like somebody's sleeping in the bed.
>> Right. >> Climbs up into the light fixture into the the ceiling. And now he's running
around in the ceiling. And he drops down into they had like a an apartment that was attached to the building. And this
is where one of the higher level uh uh employees would live. And they happen to be out on a date because it's uh it's
>> New Year's Eve. Yeah. That's a night that you want to go out. You want to take your girl out.
>> Yeah. You want to get the midnight kiss, right? >> So, he drops down into this apartment
and he's able to obtain all of that employees civilian clothes. So, he he sneaks out of there
>> and they just so happen to fit him. >> Yeah. Well, I I don't know. But it's Bundy. Things seem to go his way.
>> He couldn't like they couldn't like have a husky guy, like a really husky guy,
>> like a 400 pounder, >> right? Um, so he's now wearing civilian clothes. He has money and he's he gets
out and what does he do? He buys a plane ticket and he flies to Chicago. >> Now, this is going to be this whole
adventure here. This is going to be, you know, uh, uh, planes, trains, and automobiles for Mr. Bundy because he
ends up in Chicago where in Chicago he takes a train to Michigan. in Michigan, he steals a car. Now, I read his account
on his car thievery. He was not a great car theft, but he said back in the 70s, you know, a lot of people would just
leave their keys in the car, you know, and they didn't lock their doors. So, >> at different times back then,
>> he would just find a a you know, a regular street with a lot of cars parked on it and just walk up to each one
checking the door handles. So, if it's unlocked, he would get in, look for a key, and he finds an unlocked door to a
car, and it finds the keys. I don't know if it was underneath the seat or up in the uh the visor,
>> but he, you know, he drives this car down to Atlanta, and then he takes a a bus. He wanted to go to Florida. He had
this planned out. He wanted to go to Florida. Why? Because, think about his victimology.
He likes college age attractive women. That's that's his victims. That's what he's looking for. He was probably
looking for something close to the water, you know, where >> there's it's no secret there's
good-looking ladies by the water, and there's plenty of colleges in every state, but there's plenty of colleges in
Florida. He doesn't get anything by the water, but he ends up in Tallahassee, Florida. Now, he he moves into a like a
boarding house, right? uh on the campus for Florida State University and he's posing as a grad student because by this
time he would have been he would have been in his 30s in his early 30s by this time. So he's not of the exact college
age but he's posing as a grad student and he's going by the name of Chris Hayden. Chris Hagen, I'm sorry.
>> Is this when he grew out a beard? I you know I'm not certain because if you look
if you if you follow the trail of Ted Bundy and you'll look at him throughout the years you know whether he be in
Washington, Utah, Colorado, Florida, >> you know he's he's in front of the camera a lot because he's arrested a
lot. He escapes a lot. >> Uh he's on several trials. Um but he is everchanging his appearance. You know
this was another thing that he did. This is, you know, the the the mastermind in
quotes uh serial killer. He's always changing his appearance. You will see pictures of him where he appears to be a
little heavier than other times, you know, and he might wear big bulky sweaters. Uh he has a beard at times.
He's clean shaven at other times. >> Yeah. Sometimes he has a mustache. >> Yeah. He has long hair sometimes. Other
times he has very short hair. Um, but he finds himself down in Florida State, uh,
in Tallahassee, and he is going to, this is in, uh, early 1978, uh, this is actually January 14th, he
has only been there for about 2 weeks. Now, he gets he gets to Florida State and on the night of January 14th, he's
going to go out and look for victims. He said he said many years later that his intention was to go to Florida and
assume uh an identity and become a regular guy, work a regular job and not commit any more crimes and he was just
going to live a regular life. >> Mhm. >> I don't believe that for a second because on the night of January 14th, he
goes to it's like a >> Hold on. I mean, that could have been his intent and then he gets down there
for a couple days, right? And then you have these urges and then you just are what you are. I mean, he he is just, you
know, a devil in man form. >> You're exactly right. And and on the night of January 14th, he goes to a
dance club. It's like a disco tech. And he's trying to pick up young college-age
women at this at this club. >> Well, he's not the Bundy of old, you know. He can't he can't do what he once
did. They these women didn't find him charming at all. They said he they they well
>> I I feel his pain. >> They said that he he was extremely creepy. He was his his eyes scared a lot
of them. His appearance scared a lot of them. He had these uh you know blue eyes
but and and in some ways they they are like you know it's a pretty blue color if you watch the interviews but man as
pretty of a blue as it is there's a super creep factor when you look into them. Well, I've heard some
investigators and some detectives and FBI agents say that, you know, I they say they can spot these type of monsters
and they say that the giveaway is in the eyes. Now, I've looked at more pictures
of serial killers than most people. And >> nine times, nine times out of 10, I can't see it. Uh once in a while, I can
with Bundy. There's some pictures out there when you his eyes aren't right. You know what I mean? Some pictures you
you can just see it. Well, and if you watch a lot of his interviews, especially um one of the interviews
before his death, uh he blinks so many times. I mean, it's like he's blinking three, four times more than a normal
person would blink. >> So, he's unable to pick anybody up at the at the disco. None of these women
will go with him, >> thank God. >> But what happens is he he has this urge that he has to fill. Remember I said
earlier this guy is addicted to what he's doing. He's addicted to killing. He's addicted to raping women. He's
going to end up with a victim that night or he's going to end up in jail or dead.
That's how this guy works, >> right? >> When he doesn't get anybody at the disco, next door is a sorority house.
And this is the Kai Omega sorority house. Now, I do got to point out here that I don't believe that he intended
when he left his apartment or his boarding house that day. When he left to go to the disco, I don't think he had
any plans of going into the sorority house. He clearly wanted to pick up somebody at the disco.
>> When that didn't work out to his way, he started scheming. He started planning.
>> Well, and like I said before, I mean, he's not just the opportunist killer. I
mean he he is want like so when he's going to the disco tech he is trying to create the opportunity.
>> Mhm. >> You know he's trying to lure somebody into his trap. When that doesn't work
out now I have to you know I'm now I'm going to go not create the opportunity. I'm going to try to find the
opportunity. And you heard in the news clip that we played earlier that the killer seemed to have just slipped into
an unlocked door into this Kyomega sorority house. What actually took place was he had gone there at some point late
that night and he found the door unlocked. Now, Ted being the criminal that he is,
>> well, I wonder how many houses I mean, just like when he went to steal cars, you know, he just keep checking and
checking. How many houses did he check that were locked? >> Well, he went and checked the sorority
house and then he decided to wait. He wanted to wait until he thought that most if not all of the girls inside
would be asleep. This would make his his attack much easier. And >> well, and like we talked about before,
the other attacks, he would attack somebody while somebody's sleeping in the next room. So, I mean, he's done
this before. >> Yeah. He's no stranger to this form of attack. He goes around to the back of
the sorority house and he finds a a log. Um, and he he goes into the sorority house and I I don't know how many uh
persons were living how many young ladies were living in there at the time, but he the short of it is he attacks
four of them. >> And he probably raped three or four of them while he was in there. But it was a
frenzied attack. He he went in with that log and he's bashing them over the head
while they sleep. And he's attacking them basically room by room. In the end, out of the four girls attacked, he ends
up killing two of them. He I believe that he probably thought that all four were dead before he left the house. When
he's when he's leaving, >> yeah, I want to assume that he'd just walk walk out thinking that, oh,
somebody's going to live after this. >> Now, here's somebody that gets lucky. As
he's leaving, there is a young lady that is kind of she is, let's say, hiding in
the shadows. She sees him leave. She She's able to make a a description. She's able to finger this guy, figure
out who this guy is because she sees his face as he's leaving and he's leaving the house with the log in hand.
>> He goes down the street. >> Like I said, I mean, devil in man form. And then rather than so this young lady
has has she not only witnesses him leaving the house but she sees what took place in
the house very quickly after he leaves. So the police >> Well yeah she sees the carnage. Right.
>> Exactly. And she has notified the authorities. So Bundy rather than fleeing the area, I mean, he's he's out
walking around and can hear sirens >> Mhm. >> and another a gentleman driving a vehicle. He spots Bundy. He's down the
street and he's still holding this log. And >> I'm sure there's He's covered in blood.
>> Oh yeah, definitely. And what does he do? Instead of fleeing the area, he This
is This is how much of a monster he is. Think about this. You know, I talked about him being addicted to killing.
This is like, you know, when when you have somebody that that is addicted to smack, all right, let's say you're
addicted to smack, right? >> And you decide you're going to go off and you're going to go live somewhere
for six months and get clean. You know, he was addicted to killing and he gets locked up for for quite a bit of time.
He can't kill anybody while he's locked up. And whether whether or not he actually intended to go live a regular
life, he he can't do that. This is like the the guy that gets clean and then goes out and binges one night and does
so much so many drugs that they end up dead, >> right? >> He's able to hold off only so long and
now he's going to binge. He's going to binge that night and he he attacks four women and just blocks away from the
sority house. He breaks into another home and he he attacks a woman there. uh that that attack is cut short because I
I don't know why he I don't know if the if something uh prevented him from from >> or if she fended off the attack
>> killing him all the killing her all the way or if he in this situation as well
thought that she was dead as well. He left there and then he goes to another home
>> and he has the intention of doing this again. Well, he he's unable to do so because somebody living this was like
one of those doubles, you know, and so there's a a neighbor that's sharing a wall. Well, the neighbor that's sharing
the wall starts banging and pounding on on the wall because they must have heard
him break break into the house. >> Yeah. >> Well, he is still not satisfied. So,
what what he does is he masturbates on the bed >> and then he then >> Hold on. I just I wasn't ready for all
that. Okay, continue. >> Okay. Then he leaves and he returns to his apartment. Now, some of his
neighbors see him that night and and the people that live um around the area. If
you if you could see pictures of this, everybody lives very very close. And he had actually spoke to plenty of plenty
of those people in the short time that he was there. Now, that night when he returns, these same people are talking
to him and they say he is he's not even like human. He doesn't even seem to be human.
>> That's what I said. I mean, I I I believe the two sides of him, you know, he's he's very much I mean, the the the
mythical, not not the devil with the horns and all that and, you know, like horse legs or whatever, but but the
devil when we talk about like the antichrist, right? and we talk about here's this guy that's going to come to
power and then and they're going to be so charming and they're going to be a great speaker and all these things.
That's like the two sides of him. The one side of him is here's this standup guy. He's sweet. He's charming. He's
he's a man on a mission. And then the other side of him is pure evil. >> Yeah. It's very devillike where you know
because because he was um given these talents of being outspoken, being um a charming individual, it let him do his
evil deeds. >> Mhm. Now it again he's in this like they say he looks like he's in a trance and
and as you were saying, you know, this is like the monster rising to the top of the water. You know what I mean? He he
the monster has come out in him and he can't suppress this monster that night. And even though he's left and he's
returned to his apartment, he's still in this frenzy. And they say he's incoherent. He can barely talk. Uh he
doesn't make any sense. Um well, and I wonder if he would get into some kind of uh you murderous zen state, you know,
the because of the adrenaline because of the addiction. You know I if this is if we think that there is some
sort of addiction and there's some sort of high he's getting then what kind of state does that bring him into?
>> Well, it's like what what OJ said right in the in his book if I did it? >> Yeah.
>> You know what does he say that well if I would have done it I would have been in
a in a state that you know I wouldn't have known what was going on and I would have felt like I blacked out and when I
come to then I see the result of what has happened. Um, you know, almost like you're some murderous zombie or
something temporarily or the wolf man. >> Um, he >> you keep on bringing up like the wolf
man in uh Frankenstein. No, he's the devil. I mean, this is by all I mean, this is evil monster.
>> Well, not too long after this horrible attack at the Ka Omega sorority house,
he attacks um a young girl. She's a 12-year-old uh girl and he he takes her from uh her school. This is much like we
saw that he did in Utah. Um and he ends up getting caught, right? They they chase him down in Pensacola Colola,
Florida, and he's apprehended. And now he is they they want to question him about this stuff in Florida because it's
all very obvious to them right now, right? It's very obvious that we got this horrible dude. We had no clue who
did this killing at Ky Omega, but now we we've apprehended Ted Bundy who's capable certainly capable of doing these
things. And then on top of that, we have the lady that that saw him leaving that
night. She identifies Ted Bundy as the guy that was leaving. >> We have the other three that were
attacked that are still alive. >> We we I I don't think they were able to identify him. I think they were attacked
so brutally that uh >> possibly or in the dark too. >> Well, and on top of it, I think he hit
them when they were sleeping. Yeah. >> So, they they may have been uh unconscious the entire time hopefully.
>> Right. But we have the lady leaving. We got the guy driving his car. We have the
other lady being attacked in the double that could have identified him. >> Well, the other people that identified
him were all the girls that he went up to at the disco tech that was right next door to the sorority house. They were
like >> creepy old dude. They're like, "Yes, that's the guy that was at the So, so
they know he just from those girls, they know he was at least next door." And then they he's spotted with the with the
killing weapon with the log in his hand coming out of the sorority house by the other girl.
>> I mean, I'm glad we're covering this case cuz being 35, I mean, I I just I'm clearly too old to go to the disco tech.
>> That's you would have you would strike out >> every time. So he decides that he is
going to uh represent himself in at his trial for the uh the deaths of the Kaio Omega girls.
>> Yeah. >> Uh I say girls, but you know I'm I'm an old dude. They're they're young ladies.
>> Um now I tell you what I >> you tell me what >> I'm going to tell you. You tell me what
>> you, anybody listening, if you have any extra time today or later this week, >> Google and find some clips of Ted Bundy
representing himself at trial. And I tell you what, I don't want to try to make humor out of such a a tragedy in
such a horrible situation. However, there are some what I find to be >> humorous parts of that trial because
>> very humorous. Yeah. He he's sitting there at the table. I'll give you one story, right?
>> Okay. >> He's sitting at the table and um there's an officer that is being um he's up on
the stand >> and he's giving his testimony. And now Bundy's going to have the opportunity to
cross-examine the witness. >> Yeah. I mean, like, look, just the fact that we know hindsight,
right, that he's one of the most notorious serial killers of all time. uh he was on his defense before. Now he's
escaping, you know, he uh escaped from jail twice. Now he created these other murders. Now he's not on the defense
team. He is the defense. >> Yes. And he he has people counsel that he's working with. And you can see this
on some of these clips, but in this clip in particular, he's like he's like leaning back in his chair and he's
talking to I guess the people assisting in his defense. and he's got one of those long yellow legal pads and he's
like kind of making some notes on it, but he's supposed to already be standing up and cross-examining the witness.
>> So, the judge has to remind him, you know, but this must have taken place multiple times that that he's just not
ready because the the judge doesn't even explain to him, you need to be ready. The judge just simply calls out Bundy,
>> right? Because look, he went to law school, but he didn't finish. And and so, yeah, you can defend yourself, but
they're going to treat you like you should know what the heck to do. And clearly, he doesn't know what to do. And
he thinks he is so smart that he can outsmart the system. So, he's parading around as if he watched a bunch of
Matlock series, you know, like he's walking around like one, his [ __ ] don't stink. And I I was born to do this.
>> Yeah. And he has this very odd thing where he is disassociating himself with the murderer. So he's Bundy the lawyer
in his brain and he's defending Bundy the killer which he clearly doesn't think he's the killer.
>> No. And the jud the judge just calls out Bundy and then Ted Bundy gets up and
it's he's going to cross-examine this officer that's just, you know, told his whole story,
>> right? And so he asked the officer, he says, "You know, officer, when was the
first time that you spoke with Theodore Robert Bundy?" And the officer says, "Well, I spoke to you on this date." And
he says, "Was that at this location?" And the officer says, "Yes, it was at this location." He says,
>> "What time did you speak to Theodore Robert Bundy?" And again, the officer who's getting pissed off because of the
the >> arrogance >> of this guy. Yeah. the odd oddness of this >> of this. Yeah. This crazy situation. He
says, "I spoke to you. I spoke to you on this date at this location. I don't remember what time it was."
>> Right. I spoke to you, not this guy that you keep asking. >> And Ted Bunny goes, "Well, then u how
how do we know what you're saying is true if you don't if you cannot recall the time that you cannot you there's no
record of this uh conversation with Mr. Theodore Robert Bundy?" And the officer getting a little heated says again I
know I spoke to you at this location. >> Yeah. >> And then Ted goes, "No further
questions, your honor." And then he goes and sits down. >> My favorite story of the or my favorite
thing that I noticed when I was watching the the the footage is he at one point he's making some statement and I maybe
he's talking to a copper. I I can't remember who he's he's he's talking to somebody on the stand and you can tell
that he's just really enjoying himself and he thinks he's winning. You can like the as the trial goes on and on,
>> he has swagger about him in the courtroom. >> Yeah. But it's like as it goes on and
on, the swagger becomes more and more like I got this [ __ ] right. So then he's
talking to some witness and he goes over to the jury. you know how lawyers do, like I'm going to go approach the jury
and and then get them on my side. And he approaches them and he kind of leans towards them and and the defense at this
point uh or the prosecution at this point actually thinks we don't know what the read on the jury is.
>> Mhm. >> That they thought this guy is very charming and very intelligent, at least
in the courtroom, and maybe the jury is buying this stuff. Well, when he leaned towards the jury, all the jury members
leaned away from him. >> And I think you even hear one of them kind of gasp like, "Oh, we didn't
realize we're going to get that close to him." >> Right. Right. Yeah. We understand that
he's the lawyer, but he's the killer. So, I think they knew at that moment, no, the jury is afraid of him and and
probably based off that fear, he'd be found guilty. >> Yeah. And you're exactly right that you
you do not have a good defense if the jury itself is afraid of you, you know. Um, and it didn't take long to convict
him. Uh, the trial might have been longer than it needed to be, but on July 24th, 1979, they deliberated, the jury
deliberated for less than 7 hours before convicting him of two murders in the Ka
Omega attack and including uh three counts of attempted first-degree murder for the other victims as well. Um this
at the at the trial the judge uh he does impose death sentences for the murder convictions
>> and this is happening in Florida. So uh they don't dillydally around. They're
not going to wait 30 years to try to kill you. >> Yeah. And you know what? There is a
strange situation regarding the Bundy case itself. Um there I read this um and I I think it might just be a rumor
so I'm not going to say where I read it. Uh but there's a statement that that when Bundy was working with his council
in the state of Colorado when he was going through that trial before he escaped the second time and made it all
the way to Florida. that during the course of working with his council, he had asked the attorney, you know, what
state are they most likely to put you to death for murder? And the attorney had told him, probably Georgia. No, no,
wait. Florida. Florida seems, you know, they seem to execute people faster there. Um, and you know, nowadays we
know it as Texas, um, you know, that executes people the fastest, but back then it may have been Florida. And you
know, if if that is true that he asked the attorney that and then he then he went to Florida, do you think he think
he had a death wish? Do you think he had a some kind of, you know, there's something to that?
>> Yeah. I wonder if you, like I said, I mean, there's kind of two sides of him and maybe on some level, you know, he
realized, look, I'm I'm not I can't stop. Well, I there was another serial killer um and he's been put to death
since this, but uh I heard him say in an interview that he was trying to speed up
the course of the death sentence. He wanted to be executed as fast as possible. And his explanation for this
was, I kill people. That's what I I absolutely love and enjoy killing people, and if I ever get out, I'm going
to kill a whole bunch of people. And he doesn't even think it's wrong. In his opinion, killing people is not wrong.
This serial killer, >> right? >> And he says, "But I'm locked up and I'm in prison and I can't kill anybody in
here, so I don't want to be on this planet any longer." >> Right? And you know what this particular
killer did was he act he actually killed somebody while he was in prison because
they wouldn't speed up his his death sentence. >> Well, then yeah, let's I'm going to make
uh I'm going to make myself a real big problem in here and start killing people in prison. Well,
>> and and then you're going to have that on your head and you're going to have to
get rid of me. >> You're you're exactly right. That's exactly what happened because the court
system come out and they say, "Well, you have to go to trial for this other death
now." And he comes back to the prison the the prison administrators and the court system and he says, "Guess what?
I'm going to, you know, if you're going to delay my death sentence, I'm going to
keep killing people in prison every chance I get until then and all those deaths will be on your head."
So, I don't know if that if the thing with Bundy is absolutely true or not, but I did find it interesting that he
asked about what state would kill him or kill someone the fastest. >> Yeah. I wonder where where he's going
through and and once he gets to jail, we're going to see him really start opening up uh and what his what is his
motivation to for talking about these other killings. I'm not really for sure. Maybe to to stay off the death penalty
for a while. I'm I'm not really for sure. I can't get into I can't get inside the devil's brain, but there's so
much more to talk about with Bundy and then his involvement in another case, and that's something I think we should
get to tomorrow. So, how about a recommended reading? >> Yeah. You know, sometimes when we do
these double episodes for a case, I don't always have two books to present. Um, but there's so many bundes
>> because you don't like doing your job. >> That's right. Slacking off. Uh, but
>> he doesn't like you. He doesn't want you to read and get smart people. >> There's a lot of Ted Bundy books out
there and uh there's a lot of good ones. And this one is one that came out relatively recently. This is called I
Survived Ted Bundy by Rhonda Stapley. Now, who is Ronda Stapley? Well, she was a good innocent Mormon girl. And of
course, Ted Bundy is one of the most notorious ser serial killers of American history. Well, their paths crossed one
quiet autumn afternoon. And you'd hear her in our first trailer. >> Yeah. The first episode of Ted Bundy.
She's the one that got in the vehicle. She She missed the bus and she was waiting for the next bus and decided to
hitchhike with and she got into the wrong car. Now, this is a situation, too, where he thought he had
successfully killed her. Um, I recommend picking this book up. It's called I Survived Ted Bundy by Ronda Stapley. Uh,
another interesting thing with this book, too, is Anne Rule did the forward. Well, who is Anne Rule? Well, she is the
woman. She's very famous. She's uh God rest her soul. She was one of the best true crime authors of all time. Uh she
passed away, I believe, two years ago. Um but she, as said, one of the best true crime authors of all time. She
happened to work with Ted Bundy at the crisis hotline. >> Yeah. She's the lady that called in the
tip about him. >> Exactly. So, she wrote the forward for this book and I believe that she had a
hand in getting it published as well. So, pick up I Survived Ted Bundy by Rhonda Stapley. You can do that by going
to true crimegar.com and click click on the recommended page. You'll see our books that we recommended on there. You
click on the Amazon banner. You buy the book. You buy some things for Christmas.
It helps out our show. >> Yeah, because you can buy anything through that banner. I just bought a
really nice fancy coffee mug. Uh, it says, uh, coffee makes me poop. Um, you know, you can pick up anything on
Amazon. That's my goal every week is to try to find something very odd, uh, to buy through Amazon. And it gives a
little love back to Nick and the captain. >> That cool parlor guitar that you were
showing me. Is that is that something pick up on Amazon? >> Yeah, I I bought a little acoustic
guitar. I I'll sing a little song on Instagram someday. Okay. Uh anyways, for everything for anything or everything
True Crime Garage, check out true crimegar.com and again social media, Snapchat,
Instagram now with Untapped if you want to follow Nick's beer journey. All that is trueime garage.
>> And I should point out, you know, you say now I'm on Untapped. Uh I've actually been on there for a long time
under a different name. I'm just under True Crime Garage now. So I'm easy to find if you want to try to send me a
friend request. Uh, even if it's Veronica who thinks I'm just okay, that that might be acceptable. Um, but so
when you get on there, don't assume that I just signed up like a week ago and and
I've consumed 1,600 beers in the course of that time. I've been on there for a while. So,
>> he drinks a lot of beer. >> True Crime and Beer. That's what we do. >> The one thing I wanted to mention, too,
trueg.com. You know, my favorite part of our website is the blog. I I like when when
listeners get on there and they post things and we we read them and we respond. But my favorite is when a
listener will post something and some of these some of our listeners have really
good theories and really good insight on some of these cases and they bring up good questions. But my favorite is when
other listeners respond to those posts. >> Right. Right. Responding to the listeners.
>> Yeah. Cuz I get to get on there just like a regular fan and and read what everybody's posting and we don't claim
crime fix that day. >> Yeah. We're not experts, you know, we're just >> within these four walls. We are
>> well, we're experts of the garage and but that's about it. And it's really about this community, you know, we call
it the true crime army and uh you know, maybe we're not your favorite show, but we're your second favorite show, right?
But it's a big community and by bringing attention to these cases and being fans
of this genre, uh we are starting to make a difference in in the actual world. >> Mhm. Anyways, thanks for the support in
season 3. I hope you're enjoying this multiple part on Ted Bundy. Happy season 3 finale.
>> This is part two. >> We're gearing up for season 4. >> Part three tomorrow. >> Tomorrow coming at you live.
>> Well, it won't be live, but >> until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter.

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After months and months of young women disappearing in Washington, Utah and then Colorado a man is finally apprehended. Police charge Ted Bundy with the kidnapping and assault of Carol DaRonch. Carol fled from Ted Bundy's VW bug after he brutally attacked her. Little did the authorities know this man could in fact be the Ted from Washington they have been looking for. The one that killed two young ladies at Lake Sammamish. Ted is extradited to Colorado and he is facing murder charges when he escapes. Join the manhunt for one of America's worst serial killers as we track Ted Bundy.

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Brief Summary

Ted Bundy brutally attacked sorority girls at Florida State, leading to his capture and trial for the Kyomega killings.

Key points

The Kyomega Killings. Two women were murdered in a sorority house, leaving the campus terrified.
Ted Bundy Arrested. The notorious serial killer is apprehended after a high-speed chase in Florida.
Bundy's Conviction and Extradition. Bundy is convicted of Carol Dash's abduction and extradited to Colorado for murder charges.
Manipulating the System. Bundy charms prison staff, gaining privileges that aid his escape.
The Escape from Jail. Ted Bundy escapes from jail by jumping out of a second-story window.
Bundy's Charisma. Bundy's charm leads guards to underestimate him, allowing him to manipulate the system.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

They were just lovely girls. It has been a harrowing experience.

A house mother reflects on the tragedy.

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Tension

75/ 100High tension

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