Ted Bundy /// Invisible Man /// John Douglas | Forensic Files

[Applause] [Music] all right all right all right all right and we're back and welcome to the
show hope you all having a great time I guess we should start off by talking about extremely Wicked shockingly evil
and vile the new Ted Bundy movie right or the Ted Bundy Netflix movie as they're calling it on the
streets right right the streets of Columbus starring Zack Efron I would say he was very good five out of five bottle
caps for Zack Efron okay okay cuz I was going to say wait a second you told me lower than that for your overall opinion
of the movie and I'm like but what has changed in in the short period of time yeah but his performance was his
performance great yeah yeah and it was interesting too because I knew that James Hatfield was in the movie
beforehand that was I think Zack afron was talking to like Jimmy kemel or somebody M and said oh yeah you know
James Hatfield's in this movie and it was an honor to meet him because he's a huge Metallica fan and then I was
thinking why is James Hatfield in this movie he should be in every movie well he's a police officer which
is interesting but and he does a great job he's in a couple scenes and he he cleaned up his look a little bit to look
the part you know like I think there was some shaving that occurred beforehand and we didn't see like you know tattoos
sticking out from the the police uniform yeah and there's a but there's this weird connection cuz Joe Berlinger the
director which most people know from the the docu series Paradise Lost mhm which
had tons of Metallica songs in it he also him and some other guy there they were a documentary
team they did some kind of monster which was a documentary about Metallica so it
was probably just like hey James if you want to be a part of this movie it's going to be on Netflix and there's a lot
of people in this movie um that you see that you normally would see in certain roles like Sheldon
for example yeah you know what I actually thought the the surprise for me was it was pretty star studded yeah you
know like there was some there was some big actors and big actresses in it and I
had it on my to-do list of of things to watch I'm not going to lie I was not like super excited to watch it um for
somebody who's spent so much time in one's life reading about Ted Bundy I thought oh here's another Bundy thing
and some of the ones that have been done in the past there's been at least one maybe two Bundy movies let's say before
those were not good but those didn't have those were those were not good yeah th those didn't have like much of a
budget you know where this you could tell they they had a lot of time and a lot of money to spend on it and um uh
who was the guy that played the judge cuz I can't think of his malov oh John malovich and he's fantastic as joh
another five out of five bottle cap yes absolutely and Sheldon whoever that guy is five out of five bottle caps I think
he was extremely believable as a prosecutor and I like the way he decided to portray the the character yeah that
it's kind of a weird thing Jim Parsons is his name okay amazing actor but because he's so great as Sheldon you're
always going to think of him as Sheldon just kind like Kramer Kramer was so good
as Kramer you're like oh you know Kramer but yeah John malovic five out of five stars I thought uh Jim Parson five out
of five bottle caps uh Lily Collins which was the girlfriend um the Elizabeth Kendall okay
um Liz five out of five bottle caps for sure and a lot of people C on the fence we had Haley Joel
Osman Osment um which was the boyfriend after Ted Bundy wait is he the I see dead people kid yeah and that's the
thing is like his face hasn't really changed much so he he's going to look like he's in his teenage years I mean
he's got a young looking face yeah yeah unless they start like unless he gets attacked by a couple house cats or
something he's always going to have that baby face even you can put the biggest beard on him uh but I thought he did I
thought all the actors in general were great I thought the I thought the six sense guy was was very good actually
yeah and it took me half the movie to figure out who he was and how where I've seen him before because we're talking
about you know he played that role as a as a little boy and now he's dead people
he's a full grown man with a beard except for his face except for his baby face so what what
was interesting about this was it was released to some Select theaters the original release was at
Sundance but it was released in a couple Select theaters so very interesting there because most of the time something
goes to Netflix That's Where It's At well and this is is this a Netflix original yes okay so but the fact that
they put it out a couple um box offices so it did make hundred and some thousand
dollars at the box office but I think they just did that because I I don't really know why but I I think it's kind
of cool that you could go watch it in theaters if you wanted to and and and why not make if you're a big True Crime
fan why not make a night of it go out get some popcorn and I thought the movie overall was you know pretty good I was
raing it for a while three out of five bottle caps mhm is what I was giving it and the more I
talk about it and the more I think about it and the performance the ending was so
good parts of the movie I think lacked but the end of the movie to me was so good that I'm like yeah 3.5 out
of five bottle caps is probably what i' give it but I think over time this is going to be a movie that people talk
about and over time people will think wow this was a lot better than I thought it was well these types of movies and I
don't just mean like a a true story you know where you're you're really just going off of a true story I don't mean
that I mean the serial killer type true stories right they're hard to do in my opinion I one not only because you know
the general outcome of everything that's going to happen or or take place or where it's going to lead by the end of
the movie right but your main character typically you know here was Tim Ted Bundy and he's not somebody that I like
at all ever have and you're watching this person who you know is a horrible horrible individual doing normal day
every guy everyday stuff right and I think that makes it tough to to tell the story where for me personally it's it's
a little different than uh it's actually quite different than watching like a slasher type film you know because in
this situation you're watching a guy do everyday normal stuff but you know on the side that's who he actually is is is
a slasher right so um but it's tough here though too because you can be fascinated by certain serial killers you
know a lot of people are fascinated by Bundy um has never been in my top three uh serial killers that I was fascinated
by um but he is fascinating and but this is also based off of the Phantom Prince
my life with Ted Bundy by Elizabeth k and so I think that's where some people have issue with the the film
is you don't see him commit any of these crimes you don't really they kind of make it blurry did he commit these
crimes is he Innocent but in the reality of things and in Elizabeth's reality she
was she didn't know so now he's on trial and when he became on trial I think the trial was really
important for her because if other people found him guilty then she wouldn't feel the burden mhm and I think
she could live with that and then move on so it is a very interesting take on it uh like I said I think Zack Efron did
a great job and and and also John malovich was amazing I mean John malovich is character which what's so cool is at the
end I'm not going to give anything in a way but at the end they do show Real Clips cuz some of this the trial was
televised mhm and so the extremely Wicked shockingly evil and vile that comes right from lines that the actual
judge said to Ted Bundy during the trial so yeah and Lake samamish right right when they brought that up I was like oh
yeah that weird samamish and and we covered obviously the three the trilogy we did uh three
parts on Ted Bundy so if anybody wants to listen back to those they can yeah the the only part I didn't care for that
I didn't think held up to the truth very well was the uh disco or the nightclub when he's in in
Florida because the the way that they portrayed it was he was still happy gol lucky he was partying it up he was um
flirting with women and enticing women and they were they were dancing with him and talking with him and from what
everything I've ever read regarding that portion of his serial killing career if
you want to call it that right is that's not who he was at that time that he had
he had spiraled completely out of control by that time and so much to the point that people that were there that
night they said you could you could tell there was something off with this dude and girls wouldn't talk to him that
night women wouldn't talk to him that night and so much because keep in mind too he goes to a college campus area and
he's going to go to this area that's and party with these young women that are you know college age or or early 20s but
by this time he's much older than that because he's moved his way across the United States escaped from prison twice
and by then he would have been maybe early 30s or something so it was a combination of he didn't look the part
for that bar that that nightclub right that that nobody really wanted to talk to him but it was also that he some
people said you know how like with some of these individuals you can it's weird because some of these
people I really feel like as they get older they really start to like the evil that's inside of them seeps out into
their appearance at some point mhm and that's what a lot of people kind of said about Ted Bundy by that point that he
was there was something about him that was off and the whole reason why he went into the
um to the sorority was because he couldn't get a woman there that night that that was his
intention to find a victim somebody to that would be willing to go home with him or get in his car and they would be
the victim and and he couldn't control his murderous rage and addiction so much so that he had to find a victim when
there was nobody that was willing to go with him because remember he used to use
the a lot of rses and a and a lot of you know some of his charm to just get women
to go with him somewhere right and I the other problem I had with it was Zack Efron as Ted Bundy's walking down the
street and all the girls are turning their heads and I think that's just a mischaracterization
of what happened I think was Ted an ugly guy no he wasn't ugly he wasn't hideous
but he used his charm and his ability to he was a uh he's a con man yeah his lying
skills were amazing so once you get inside that you know and that that's what's different you know a lot of times
men are so visual and so drawn by outward appearances that you know once they start talking to a a girl at a bar
that's not might that might not draw them in more but women are like well he's decent looking or he's somewhat
attractive then they start talking and the personality the charm comes out that makes him a more Charming individual
more likely to go home with that guy mhm and so I just think that like there was
a scene where he had to go to the library to study and every girl he walked past there were just kind of like
goooo Gaga eyes over him and it's like that just didn't happen in reality I I'm and I also think too once the trial hit
the television screen that pretty much anybody that was on TV back in the day was a celebrity so therefore he became a
celebrity but even like Charles Manson which looks like a hideous little rat had people going oh my God he's so
attractive because they hit that TV screen and now they become a celebrity well and for some
reason for some reason that I will never understand um sometimes and it happens with men too uh but we we're less aware
of it but sometimes women become attracted to these horrible individuals that are on trial yeah and and I mean
Scott Peterson and uh Turtle face there's there's a list of there's a long list of that scenario and like I said
men have done it as well with some of of these trials I don't know that you see what I would in quotation air quotes say
the groupies um but yeah but but I think some of that this is going to sound strange but I think some of that is
because that person is safe I mean because one they're behind bars but they're safe because they're at a
distance they can communicate with somebody that they think they know and really the communication is just kind of
a time waster or time filler for the person that doesn't want go out into the real world and try to discover somebody
new a lot of times you find out that somebody went through a very difficult divorce or a very difficult breakup or
even their partner passed away and then they became INF fixated with one of these killers and I think that's because
they're using it as a me mechanism to build some walls and so hey I can talk to this person that I can never meet
because they're behind behind bars so so uh Google users give it a 88% IMDb gives it a 6.7 out of 10 the
critics give it a 52 which is pretty low and on Rotten Tomatoes which I believe is the Critics Choice uh or the critics
score is 57 so critics not too good on this movie it seems like people that watch it are a little higher like I said
I'll go 3.5 but ask me in a year and I bet money I'll say a four out of five and what were what
what what score would you give it I I think I'm right there with you I thought it was really good um it's definitely
worth watching it was better than I had expected um and not be I think I had low
expectations because I did have a couple people tell me that they didn't think it
was very good um it's under two hours I definitely think it's worth the watch oh
yeah yeah I if you know for the True Crime Buffs out there it's it's a very entertaining uh movie and it's an
interesting take uh the the the angle that they chose to look at this crime or this monster uh through well and we
could go through a lot of little details but I don't want to give too much away I
really think this story develops and gets better towards then and one of the best endings of a movie of this genre
that I've seen in a long time but that's I think because they kind of play this whole did he do it did he not do it for
a while right so all right so we had a lot of discussion lately on a case we covered the Invisible Man yeah so there
were like there's been 55 blog posts regarding the Invisible Man so if you go to the website it's actually broken up
into into two different um post there we have one that that's Paul Raymond Herod
the Invisible Man a lot of people posting there as well as the Invisible Man which is right underneath of it um a
lot of people posting there I wanted to take some time to to address some things
here because there were a lot of good questions and discussion regarding this case and at some point it got there were
so many posts that it it got silly to me I'm like I just got to answer these in person with with you know with my voice
rather than yeah I'm going to knock on everybody's door hey good to see you again well I got I want to answer your
blog post regarding uh detective Greg lockart who is the lead guy on this case now mind you he's working a bazillion
other cases at the same time that's a lot of cases but but for him I feel like on a personal level this is a number one
this is the one that keeps him up at night this is the one that he probably spends a lot of his free time what's
supposed to be off duty time right working on this case and he's it's really interesting that he's chose to go
kind of outside of the box a little bit on this like he is on the case is not just on web slutes it's there because he
put it there and for a time I he was answering people's questions on there in person in person which is the only way
to do it yeah um but so he brought this case to us um I do want to address address one thing real quick before we
get into this because uh I actually have probably spoke to detective lockart for
I don't know five six seven hours once you factor in all the the text in actual face- tof Face Time and and phone calls
yeah so we had an hourlong show to do we knew a whole bunch more about this story but we had to leave some things
out we had to trim it down so it would fit that hour and the whole goal with covering it is to one have put put ears
on this thing so then we can in turn put eyes on the pictures that still exist of
this Paul Raymond Herod to figure out who he is but the first thing I do want to address is there there have been some
people that have made the suggestion that this guy because we pointed out it it appears that he's running for his
life and also running from law enforcement and I want to really stress that law enforcement says that same
thing as well that's their speculation and their speculation is that because whatever he is actually
running from they feel that he cannot go to law enforcement with to to try to get
protected regarding this so that means that he's broke some laws and yes it's obvious really the only one that we know
of for for certain is that he has stolen someone's identity but some people have
pointed out that maybe he might have been in witness protection in the witness protection program and we
are actually doing this individual disservice because if he is running from his life then we are we're putting eyes
on his pictures and maybe identifying who he actually is and where he may be to this day that would be my luck uh
well but the things that I want to address on that first is because some people have come at it pretty hard and I
was going to read the there was one incredibly rude post but I I won't read that people oh come on you you want me
to read it yeah okay let me find it real quick oh make me laugh I do have to I do
have to find it you know some sometimes you you the mean stuff is is not bad okay mhm this is from
somebody who will remain anonymous but if you want to see their name or who who they're pretending to be you can go to
website and find this post so the post reads the both of you are absolute plonkers sorry but you are
plonkers yeah plunkers plonkers if there's even a 1% chance that he is in witness protection well then the idiot
Duo have put his life in danger where the idiot Duo by the way if if you're following along I thought it was you and
detective lockheart I doubt you'll post this because you seem scared of a negative comment but you guys but really
guys give your heads a good shake it might wake up the last few brain cells you have oh really okay so I do want to
point out here that detective lockart brought this case to and has consulted with the FBI first of all right okay so
at no point in his investigation that has lasted about 6 years has anybody told him stop looking for this guy he's
in Witness Protection right first of all second of all which the FBI probably would do pro possibly
if that's who in fact put him in there MH okay but that would be my guess if if somebody was going to put somebody a
witness protection my guess would be the FBI would be a number one the thing here
though is you got to use some damn common sense and this this is the age that we live in a well maybe this guy
should shake his head well this this is the age that we live in I think that that sometimes we get ourselves into
trouble because there is a phone there is a device on us 247 and when we hear something or read something sometimes we
feel compelled impulsively compelled to immediately put our thoughts out there and first of all I I can't stand when
people come forward with a really aggressive opinion and this doesn't have anything to do with our website or our
blog it's more so just life in general somebody comes up with a really they're like here's my point this is what I
think and boom I'm going to be aggressive and rude about it because I really have no other information to
actually offer in this situation so I'm just going to be rude well I got to point out in defense of
this guy though or girl whoever is being Captain rude pants right in defense of them if we would have been more clear
that that detective lockheart did talk to the FBI did talk with other La agencies and we believe that this guy is
not a part of a witness protection program then I see this guy probably would have not made that comment I see
what I see your point and that's a good point however the the issues that I have with
it is one a detective brought us this case so to to to shake us down is giving no credibility to us or to detective
lockart either right and so we got involved because we want to help with cases and we we took this one on and I
think that we might get some this thing might get some legs because of our show at least I'm hoping so but I I just say
use some common sense before we you pull the trigger and I've I've been guilty of
it too we're all guilty of posting something stupid or I I've probably posted something stupid in this actual
thread here that we're discussing today yeah speak for yourself though but I think is something that we we all can
fall victim to in a way because there is a device on us right there and then when
we have these this is a nonsense thought I mean here's the other thing think about this for a second whoever put this
guy let's pretend that he went into witness protection so the agency that put him
into witness protection decided that the best way for us to protect you and to give you a new identity is for us to
steal an actual identity of a dead child and that's going to be who you become do
make any damn sense they give you a fake identity they give you one that that has
never existed because that is your that is your link for getting busted in the future is somebody going you can't be
Paul Raymond Herod Paul Raymond Herod died in 1947 and you know you can't use somebody's all their information under
your assumed or your given identity because that's how that's the trail to getting you caught so that's
not how those agencies operate first of all right but you're also assuming that the agency would have gave him a name of
a dead child where you know he he could be a part of the witness protection program then
wanted it out of that and then stole that name and and that's a leap that's got to be a really big leap of course
it's a leap right I'm not saying that the agency gave him the identity of a dead shot I'm saying that according to
this person who who posted that's the Assumption they're making and what I'm trying to clear up is that is not how
they would do that that's not how they would go about their business and the the other thing that I take a little bit
of Umbridge with is the the line if there is even a 1% chance that he was in witness
protection well you put a really low number on that 1% chance let's think about that too for a second because
we've covered a lot of missing persons cases so if at any time we think that there is even a hint a hint of a chance
that they could have been moved for witness protection purposes we shouldn't cover it that'd be every missing person
right we it would eliminate every one of our missing person cases right because you'd have to say that there is a
possibility right so this person maybe they just don't like missing persons cases which if you don't that's that's
fair that's fine yeah and again you know I don't want to prop up this guy too much or girl too
much but again maybe they just didn't like this episode we're having a bad day posted something that they which they
didn't post so well they can feel free to apologize at the website um okay so I do don't apologize don't worry about it
right right but it's it's it's nonsense to to be verbally aggressive to to people everybody has bad days speak for
yourself yeah um so I speaking for others because it's not you know I have great days every day is great I do want
to answer some of the questions so we can kind of clear some things up and I and maybe this isn't the best platform
for it because uh I know that the Big Show is is where most of the listeners are but we we have other cases we have
to get to so this is the platform that we're going to use so somebody commented on the situation
of uh working at a nursing home with the the detective speculation that maybe he
gained the knowledge and gain the information necessary by working at Skippy's father's nursing home right and
they they asked could it be true how could um he couldn't be I'm sorry I'm wrong post here they want to
know if it would be that easy to steal a new identity and just with that that simple
situation and what I can clear up here is this this is actually a fairly common thing especially back in the day when
somebody was trying to assume an identity and run from something a lot of times not necessarily regarding a
nursing home or knowing uh a parent of the individual of the identity that you're going to
steal but a lot of times back in the day people would go to a graveyard and actually look for a a headstone of a
child that had passed away that would roughly be about the same age as them if that child had had continued to live
right and the reason why they do that and seek out Children is because a lot of times
especially with a young child a social security number has not been ISS issued to them yet so technically all you would
need and this is all that this Paul Raymond Herod the Invisible Man this is all he needed and this is exactly what
he did back then he got enough information so he could secure a reprint or replica of the birth certificate for
the actual Paul Raymond Herod for Skippy so once he has that information and has
that piece of paper he can now use that to go and get a second form of identification something that will have
his picture on it so this would be something as simple as a driver's license or state identification card any
number of things then he's now going to use that birth certificate in that second form of ID and he's going to use
that with the Social Security um uh office so he can get issued a social security number that has never been
issued for that individual yet and we know that from what detective lockart has told me that this form was
filled out and sent via mail and he received a social security number back in the mail and once he had that he had
that 1987 at some point he starts using that identity so that's how that went down
mhm yeah I don't know I I thought that was a little bit of a leap as well uh but when you have nothing to go on
and there's so little known I mean heck he's not even reported missing till 6 months later um you know detective Lo
lockheart has um his hands full and tied with this case well that's where you would get a paper trail and that that's
an interesting that's an interesting look at it I think because if this individual stole the identity just by
simply walking through graveyards and looking at headstones we'll never know who you can't use that method to find
this guy or find out who he actually was right but if you can say okay well he could have got the same information by
actually working at this retirement community well there might be some kind of paper trail to this individual mhm
but again I mean it's it's it's so much heavy lifting for detective lockart because every situation anytime you find
something where you think there's a breadcrumb you go okay well now I don't know what year this guy would have
worked there I don't know what name he would have worked under and on top of that all these years later most of these
places don't have those records still available right uh another poster wanted to know uh detective lockart stated that
most of his information came from Mara who is uh the invisible man's wife ex-wife um and her sister Kim but said
that it wasn't clear U if Kim provides information or what information that Kim provided so just to clear this up I
think all of the information that he has received from her family is only coming
from those are the two key sources so really everything that he is relaying to us came from them I don't know what
information came from Kim and what came from Mara you see where I'm going with that right so that kind of clears that
one up a little bit as well this is a brilliant question and I was shocked in in and actually didn't realize that we
didn't get to this in the episode so Amy from Ohio God bless you wants to know oh
wait she put Ohio in the post but says oh she's originally from Indiana okay so she wants to know we take away we
take back the God bless you was the coworker that stood up with The Invisible Man at his wedding ever
interviewed if so what did they have to say about him okay so this is very interesting this guy that was his best
man at his wedding remember he had no family there he had no friends there but he had somebody that stood in as as the
best man MH that man worked with him they were co-workers but that man was appointed by the pastor by the person
overseeing the wedding because Paul wasn't going to bring anybody with him to the wedding and so the pastor's like
well we we need a best man uh sir would you do it you know him from work so this
was not a situation where this guy knew Paul hardly at all they just happened to
work together and he was doing a favor probably more so for Mara or for the pastor rather than for Paul now this guy
was was interviewed and actually identified through Greg Lockhart's hard work and and outside of the box thinking
when he posted the picture online he purposely post posted so it was cut so you're going to see Paul Raymond Herod
and then you're going to see the guy that stood in as the best man because he knew that if if even if nobody could
identify Paul Raymond Herod maybe somebody could identify that best man because Marlo couldn't even remember who
it was that's how unattached they were to this individual mhm so they found that
guy uh relatives of his contacted the sheriff's department and said hey that's that's a guy and our family tree and so
they they went out and detective lockart interviewed this individual the individual couldn't
remember the wedding and could not remember Paul Raymond Herod now this guy is I think he's 80 he's he's he's up
there in age but it was also such a small thing to him back then that why would he remember it you know it wasn't
a memorable thing for him he didn't really know this guy and it was lockart said it was kind of funny because the
guy wasn't convinced that they had found the right guy until lockart said well wait I have a picture of you and the
guy's like oh holy [ __ ] that is me but yeah I don't know who this guy is and and and I and I believe that this
individual is telling the truth per what what lockart has told me yeah but you go
man how many weddings have you been in how many random dudes that you've never met you were the best man in the wedding
you'd think you'd remember that's kind of a decent story well yeah but like I said this guy's up
there in age and this is this this wedding happened almost 30 years ago yeah and it was probably it was it was a
very small Affair I mean it might have been something he was only at for an hour right so uh great episode guys any
chance there is DNA sitting around somewhere on him did his wife save any of his belongings this is good question
um yes she did still have some of his belongings and what I've been told I don't know what information they have
gleaned from that but what I've been told is that a search warrant was issued and they have con confiscated some items
from Marlo so and that was very recent so one I don't know that they would need to
share any of that information with us and two they may not have any information as it stands now because
that's such a recent activity right so very smart Again by lockart because Mara like he said sticks her head in the sand
just doesn't do anything doesn't really help with the investigation a whole lot so he he went out of the way and got a
search warrant to confiscate some of those some of those items has the detective used facial
recognition and set up a social media account with the picture also has the detective got old yearbooks from the
possible high schools in Yonkers the first the yearbook question no he's not received those yearbooks he there's as
he pointed out multiple schools he would like to receive yearbooks for about a 10-year time frame from each of those
schools again we don't know who this guy was before we don't know his actual age
so that gets difficult yeah but he could do this through like classmates.com or something he has done some of that
online um and I think I think on one of his vacation times when he's supposed to
be off of work and relaxing and clearing his mind I think at some point he's planning on going to new yor New York
for his vacation so he can go to those schools in person and see if they will hand over yearbooks or at least let him
look through them while he's there well some high schools will have the whole senior class pictures like on the walls
so he might have to go down all these hallways and and look through all these old pictures then regarding facial
recognition yes that has been done they did that um I think early this year like
in January or February MH where they did facial recognition and one picture did pop up it's an individual that was
incarcerated at the time that the picture was taken um so the problem with that is
they do look similar but I think the individual that they found who was locked up I think that there's some
things that don't gel with the timeline for the invisible manh meaning he may have been locked up in elsewhere in
another state while the Invisible Man was doing things that we have documented and know actually occurred you know like
his marriage and uh living for a time in Indiana things like that work work history and such yeah well these are all
interesting so we got any more yeah there's a few people that asked about the jacket that the Invisible Man is
wearing in one of the pictures so we only have a few pictures of the Invisible Man but in one of them there
is a a jacket and it has some type of logo on the um you know where there would be like a breast pocket yeah so
that logo from what I've been told is of the chesty I and I hope I'm saying that
correct ly because I I I've only been told that word but I remember lockart said that that Paul Raymond Herod the
guy using that identity worked for a chese delivery service or a ches chips uh they delivered potato chips and
filled up vending machines and went to grocery stores things of that nature that logo on the the jacket is
for that chesty's place that he worked at and that whatever that company is if if I in fact saying it wrong is um now
defunct they're not they're not around anymore right right so we've cleared that up here's an interesting one hey
guys I did some digging and found that there is a Diana Ray samples that passed away just a couple months ago in witch
Kansas at the time of her death she was 70 years old so the right age to have been the ex-wife remember we have Mara
who says that he The Invisible Man ref an ex-wife that he had been married once before and she remembered the name Diane
or Diana Reay because of the weird spelling of Ray r a e and she believed that not knowing when that marriage took
place she believed for whatever reason that it took place in Kansas so this is very interesting and I encourage
everyone that has good information to send it to Detective lockart if it's something that you think is is a real
bread Corum that should be investigated this this has been passed on to him I I sent this myself to him um but for any
other type of discussion any other questions or just thoughts in General on this case you can certainly
put that on the blog and I also recommend everybody go and read that as well because there's a lot of
interesting discussion on here and we have these types of cases every now and then Captain where about once a month
you know we'll get one that really gets people talking yeah you know Tyler Davis
case yeah yeah yeah that got that got a lot and a lot of times it's uh it's good
to speculate I think it's a good brain activity and leads us down different rabbit holes that maybe the detective
would never think of it's kind of like what we talked about where sometimes detectives will go talk to psychics it's
not so much that they believe in the psychic but what do they tell them and does that lead them down a different
path mhm that they haven't been looking into yeah and then also John Douglas uh the John Douglas show got a lot of
people interested a lot of people loved that he came to the garage which he didn't really come to the garage it was
it was a phone interview oh I couldn't tell yeah I've had a there were a couple people that said the interview sounds
fake in in in a in a sense it kind of is I mean it's a real interview that I conducted on my cell phone because
that's that's the way that when when Douglas reached out to the show and I said you know he's [ __ ] John Douglas
so I'm like however you want to do the interview we'll do the interview I'll make it happen I'll get on a magic
carpet and fly out there and hang out with you if if you want to do it in person but um he said no you know and we
have multiple different techniques that we use for interviewing people that can't be in Columbus Ohio with us for an
actual face Toof inter mhm the method he was most comfortable with which is the most difficult for us putting together
the show is he said just call me here's my phone number just call me on my landline yeah and Douglas was so I mean
he's such a nice guy uh he was really nice to me during the course of the interview so it wasn't as nice to me the
reason why I wasn't on that episode is we said hey Mr Douglas and he said call me John and I go okay Jack he said I
said John godamn it and then he hung up the phone that's that's not true but but
so if if it sounds to anybody like it's fake well it's because we we take his his parts from the the phone interview
MH and we really do a lot the captain does a lot of work to clean up my part uh so you don't hear this you don't hear
this Fanboy on the phone with a with a bad connection talking to well your your ear will get tired of one tamber so the
tamber of John talking on the phone what your ears get a little tired of that by
having instead of using the audio that we have from Nick in the phone call we just have him resay it so it's it's
exactly what he said on the phone it's just now coming through with highquality mic quality and so then your ear gets
less tired of hearing the phone tamber well and and John 2 doesn't necessarily hang on my words to get to
his answer and I think people got that Vibe listening to the show he this dude like I feel like his brain has just
absorbed so much information in these cases over the years yeah that it's like when you ask him a question it's like
winding up a like a toy that's just going to go Bonkers as soon as you hit the the start button you know he's he's
just like the words can't get out of his mouth fast enough and he's probably a lot of that's probably because he's
recalling from multiple things face-to-face interviews police reports autopsy reports um you know previous
interrogations that he's read through the transcripts the court proceedings he's pulling information from so many
different boxes all at once that um I think he gets uh a little caught up in in the words at at times but yeah but
it's similar to when we meet people that listen to the show and they want to talk
to us about the show and that's also going to be about cases and then it becomes well let's talk a little bit
about this case and a little bit about this case and if those cases are familiar in your brain then it seems
like as almost as if you're all over the place right right but because I've had so many times
where where somebody will be like wow you know a ton of stuff and you're like well that's cuz we we covered the case
and we and we produced an episode and so all those things kind of stick with you
once somebody brins back up a case it might take a minute oh yeah where where was that case oh yeah yeah yeah what was
the date oh yeah yeah and then all of a sudden it's like go boom boom boom boom and your brain is just
exploding and one final one here Captain because I love this one this is a great
great question great observation as well let's end on a negative one so the dipster dipster I like that name the
dipster says couldn't help but notice John Douglas said that he thinks the family
had nothing to do with the Jean Benet Ramsay murder yeah very interesting it's not often someone close to a case will
claim that is there anywhere he elaborates on this further so um and I I posted a response to that one he has a
book called the cases that haunt us and it's it's it's a collection of different
cases some that he was very close to and some that he's just looked into from afar but it's a fascinating book because
a lot of the cases that are in there if not all of them are all cases that are pretty well known to not just True Crime
the people but the general public as well and so he I if I'm recalling correctly I believe he has a whole
chapter in there on the John Benet Ramsey case and his thoughts and he actually met the father he actually met
John Ramsay yeah I have not read that book yet but that's one I should put on my list my my caveat there where I I you
know big fan of John Douglas I respect him immensely mhm my my caveat there is the things he says about the the Ramsay
case is is very fascinating and yes he definitely has some much-needed Insider information that I'm glad got tossed out
there in the public through his book um but my only caveat there is just keep in mind that he was not the only
retired FBI agent that was asked to be hired um by the ramsy family right there were other individuals that turned it
down now that's that doesn't mean that that John Douglas is wrong because obviously we don't know the truth well
you can be hired by somebody and and and believe that they're guilty well and he
he does say in the he does say in the book that you know I told John Ramsay to his fa or told him on the
phone yeah I I have reservations about going out there and and meeting with you because of where I think the case
stands but also I I want to let you know just because you're hiring me doesn't mean that I'm going to be on your side
right you know so you can hire me but I want to warn you that you might not like
my findings right very similar with Courtney Love in the Kurt cabain case mhm hiring a private investigator and
her him telling her hey just because you pay me doesn't mean I'm not going to follow the
evidence so but interesting to hear that because as I go back and forth on the John Benet Ramsey case to have an
expert's opinion even though like I said I haven't read the chapter yet uh he he
kind of nonchalantly says hey they were revictimized uh and and that he didn't believe that had anything to do with the
murder [Music] [Applause]

True Crime Garage /// Off The Record: Episode 55 Original Release Date: 5-13-2019 Nic and the Captain discuss: Ted Bundy Movie, Invisible Man and John Douglas www.TrueCrimeGarage.com #truecrime #truecrimepodcast #podcast #crime #truecrimegarage

Brief Summary

Hosts review "Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile," discussing performances, accuracy, and its portrayal of Ted Bundy.

Key points

Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile. A new Ted Bundy movie starring Zac Efron, praised for its performances.
Surprising Performances. The film features unexpected actors in notable roles, adding to its star power.
Critics' Mixed Reviews. The movie received a 52% from critics but higher ratings from viewers.
The Invisible Man's Identity Theft. Discussion on how identities are stolen and the implications for missing persons cases.
Detective Lockhart's Investigation. Insights into Detective Lockhart's methods and challenges in solving the case.
The Best Man's Role. Revelation about the Invisible Man's best man at his wedding and their connection.

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I thought the ending was so good!

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Tension

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