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[Music] Oh, [Music] [Music] it was October of 1974. I was a pharmacy student at the
University of Utah in Salt Lake City. I was at a city park waiting for a bus to take me back up to campus. The bus was
late. I was getting frustrated. And then this Tanville wagon drove by very slowly. Q driver kind of looked at me as
we went past. And then he stopped and backed up and leaned over and rolled down the passenger window and asked me
where I was going. I told him I was going up to the U. And he said, "Me, too. Hop in." So I opened the door and
got in. The first thing that I noticed was the inside passenger door handle was missing
and he leaned over and pulled the door shut. But I wasn't alarmed. I figured college kid, college car things fall
off. He looked like a college student. He was dressed nice, had a green pullover
sweater on, nice slacks, light-hearted. We just had the normal conversation that strangers would have.
I told him, "My name's Rhonda and I'm a pharmacy student. What are you studying?" He told me his name was Ted
and he was a law student. In a just a couple of blocks, he turned a way that wasn't the normal route to the
university. And I asked him about that and he was very polite and asked my permission if it would be all right if
he took a little detour. He told me I had to run an errand up by the zoo and I told him that would be fine. I didn't
care. I thought I would still be home faster than if I had waited for the bus. And then we went right on past the zoo.
And I said, "Hey, I thought we were taking me to the zoo." and he said, "No." I said, "Near the zoo. That road
goes over the hill and drops down into Parley's Canyon, which is the main highway back into the city.
Nothing's gone off. We're just having fun." We get to the bottom of that canyon and we should have turned right
to go towards campus. And instead, he turned left and started driving up another canyon. And as he's driving,
he's kind of looking at parking places and side roads. the conversation started to go weird then because he stopped
talking to me and I'm still trying to make idle conversation and and I'm thinking that he's probably looking for
a place to pull off in the park and wants to make out and I don't know him and I'm not really a make out person but
he's still a cute law student and I don't want to offend him and I don't want to embarrass myself.
So, I'm thinking of how do I get out of this situation and then he pulled into a parking place
and and parked the car and turned it off. And then he turned into the car seat so
he's kind of facing me and he leaned in really close. I thought he was going to kiss me. Instead, he said very quietly,
"You know what? I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. and he put his hands on my throat and
started squeezing. My first thought was has to be some kind of a joke. This guy's got a weirdest
sense of humor. But that was just maybe a fraction of a second because I realized he was squeezing too tightly.
He was serious and I was in trouble and there's no door handle. We had a little small battle in the car,
but I went unconscious. I did as much of a fight as you can put up when you're running out of air.
I'm going to die. [Music] Thought I was going to die right there in the car, but he had other other
plans. [Music] [Music] 1974 in the great state of Washington. We have a situation here. Big- time
situation. Women are being attacked, some are disappearing, and some are found dead. We have about six or seven
women ranging in age from 18 to 22 years old who are attacked. Now, these are not
all the same deal here. One woman is attacked in her sleep. She's sleeping in a house that she shares with several
other roommates. She's attacked and abducted from her bed. And this is in the uh University of Washington area.
There's a 19-year-old that disappears from the Evergreen State College, an 18-year-old that disappears from Central
Washington State College campus one night in April 74. And then there's a 22-year-old uh her name is Kathy Parks.
She disappears from Oregon State University in Corvalis, Oregon. So just to mention a few of them. So these these
young women are disappearing from different college campuses and other areas and no one really suspects that
these things are connected, right? >> Some young adults change gears on a dime and move away. So, you know, some of
these people, they're not really missing right away, right? And maybe there's really not a lot of great explanations
for this, but they are disappearing. And now there are a few detectives that do think that these cases could be
connected or something bigger is going on here, >> something being related. >> But of course, no one is going to
connect the Kathy Parks disappearance from Oregon State. But that is all going to change very quickly here because
we're going to talk about a place called Lake Seamish. All right, the Lake Seamish is a beautiful state park
located 8 miles east of Seattle and King County. It's a big park. It's about five
It's 512 acres. Uh, and it has quite a bit of waterfront access with boat launches and of course hiking and
picnicking. Uh, and when you look up Lake Seamish on Wikipedia, the they list three major events as occurring at Lake
Samameish. Now, the first one they list is a Pirates versus Vikings massive water balloon fight, which is held
annually. Sounds like a lot of fun. Uh, and then not a lot of fun for the other events because the next event they list
is wife killer Randy Roth drowned his fourth wife Cynthia at Lake Samameish. >> And then uh this event um so continuing
on back to 1974 as said Lake Seamish is a beautiful state park with all of that fresh water and of course it's going to
be very busy in the warm months of summer with plenty of young adults looking for fun in the sun. But July
14th, 1974, the state park was extremely busy. They estimate that there were about 40,000 to 50,000 people there that
day. Now, part of that was due to several large businesses holding their company picnic picnics on that Sunday
afternoon, but most of that is because of the great weather. It was 90 degree temperature that day, plenty of
sunshine. So, around noon, a young man described as about 25 years of age with blondish hair approached a
pretty 22year-old woman. The woman's name is Mary Osmer. Uh she was over in a grassy area. This is near one of those
company picnics that were going on, >> right? >> The stranger said hi and asked Mary for
her help. He was wearing blue jeans, a white t-shirt, and his arm was in a sling. He is asking for help with his
sailboat. He needs to load it onto his car, but of course he's unable to because of his arm,
>> right? And to get a visual, I mean, think about Silence of the Lambs when Buffalo Bill uh was moving that um couch
and he asked the lady for help. So >> So she agrees to go help him. He he seems like somebody that seems like a
good person and might be in need of help. And they walk over together to his vehicle.
>> Oh, and he has a bum arm, right? So, and he's got a little VW bug. Uh, but the
problem here is she immediately notices, Mary notices that there's no sailboat. And, uh, he says, "Well, the sailboat
>> Well, and how many bugs could tow a sailboat?" >> Well, >> depends on how big the boat is.
>> It's a small boat that you he wants to load it up on top of the vehicle. >> Oh, okay. More like a kayak.
>> Yeah. Okay. So he says that, you know, the boat is it's up at my parents place,
which is we just got to drive up the hill here and pick it up. And she she's a little worried about this situation.
Had the boat been there, she probably would have helped the guy, >> right? >> Um but because the boat's not there,
she's not very eager to leave the group that she's with. And she mentions that she's already running late. She's she's
supposed to be meeting her parents around uh 12 12:20 that day. And so she's already running late for that. So
she kind of politely backs out of helping the man. And the man, she says, is polite. And he thanks her and
apologizes that the boat wasn't right there with the vehicle. And he even walks her about halfway back to that
grassy area where they were. Um, this VW Bug's going to become very important as
we will see later. Um, but another of the young adults that was there that day enjoying the beautiful weather was
23-year-old Janice Aught. Uh, she's a thin, petite, 5 foot tall with long, straight blonde hair.
>> Mhm. >> Um, she rode to the lake that day by herself. Uh, and she rode her bike. She
had a yellow tiger 10-speed bike. Uh, and at the beach she was she was once she was there, you know, she gets there,
gets her things out, puts her bike away, and she goes down to the beach area. They have plenty of waterfront as we had
mentioned, and she's going to throw out her towel and strip down to the bikini and start sunning, you know, like
everybody else is doing on that 90° day, >> sunbathing, right? Mhm. So about this
time, a uh stranger, now described as wearing white shoes, a white t-shirt, and shorts, but again, his arm is in a
sling, walks to the beach, and he goes up to Janisat. >> He's probably wearing jorts.
>> He asks if she would help him load his sailboat, but this time he immediately
states that the boat is not at the vehicle. It's at his parents house, which is up the hill in Isiqua. Now the
girl says, "Janice," she says, >> "Real quick though, isn't this how it normally happens though when somebody
asks for a favor?" Like it always turns it always turns into something bigger. >> Yeah, it's a small favor at first.
>> I just need you to help me get this boat on to my car. >> All you got to do is lift it up and then
all of a sudden there's all these different obstacles. >> But by the way, we got to go to my
parents house and then yeah, it's going to be in the basement. So we got to get out of the basement.
>> And Janice is very nice. You know, she says, "Well, I'm from Isiqua, so no big
deal. I will help you uh with this boat. I understand we're going to have to take
your vehicle and drive up the hill and and find the the >> And this is a h handsome gent, right?
>> Uh yeah. Well, actually, and that's exactly what Mary Osamer says, the the first woman that was approached that we
know of. She's she commented that he was uh she found him to be attractive and that's why he she agreed to help him.
>> I guess ugly people don't get helped according to Mary. Um >> sorry, >> sorry about that.
Nobody helps me with anything. Nobody's held a door for me ever. >> You got a nice jib. Don't worry about
it. >> So Janice agrees to help this young man. And um she does state, you know, I rode
my bicycle to the beach. So if we're going to take your car somewhere, I'm hoping that I can your you know, put the
bike in your car or we have a way to >> I'm sorry. I was just thinking about that stupid movie. You know,
>> 40-year-old version. >> Yeah. Do you got a big trunk? cuz I'm going to put my bike in it.
>> Mhm. >> Sorry, it's insensitive. >> Now, the park is extremely busy that day, right?
>> Right. >> 40,000 maybe small city basically. >> Yeah. That's a ton of people there that
day and so you can imagine that the beach is a little crowded and Janice being a very attractive young woman
wearing a bikini sitting there sunbathing. Of course, some people are going going to take notice to this. And
because the beach is so crowded, there are people sitting and lying rather close to one another. So some of the
other people on the beach, they overhear this conversation and they're witnessing, you know, this interaction
between these two strangers. And during this interaction, several people, you know, kind of easedropping notice that
they the two introduce one another and, you know, she says, "My name is Janice."
And the stranger says, "Uh, my name is Ted." um and then ask her for the help. Well, about 12:30, so this is very
quickly after this strange man approached Mary. You know, this is within 15 to 20 minutes after she had
denied him the help of the sailboat. And now he's already moved on to the next woman and he's he's receiving help from
her seemingly because she's getting up collecting her belongings. She's asked about her bicycle. And now about 12:30,
Mary Osmer, she sees the man that she spoke to, uh, who introduced himself as Ted to Janice,
>> right? >> She sees the two of them walking together and Janice has her bicycle with
her. >> Right >> now, they go off and we don't we don't know where they go. Uh to this date, we
still don't exactly know where they went, but there are a few things that we would later be able to surmise what
probably took place. This Ted person took Janice somewhere and in the course of of getting there or
once there, he unleashed a sneak attack on her. Uh probably using a crowbar to strike her over the head,
>> right? And then he would tie her up, uh maybe even use handcuffs, but he was able to control her in a way that he
would be >> physically >> leaving her uh alive. Whether she's unconscious or or just knocked out or or
or bound, right, >> and and held captive somewhere, we don't know. But we do know that he left her
somewhere and she was alive when this took place. Now, around 3:00 this afternoon, so we're just talking about 2
and 1/2 hours later, Diane Watson is near a concession stand. This is one that is closest to an east.
They have, you know, multiple restrooms at this uh park and this is closest to one of the eastern restrooms. Now, she
notices another young woman. This is Denise Nassand. Now, Denise is at the beach with her boyfriend and another
couple. Uh Diane also notices a young man in his mid20s and this young man is staring at her and this is like an
intense stare. You know, the kind of stare that you you not only notice it, but you can kind of feel it.
>> Um >> I don't get those. >> Seconds later, the young man is asking Diane if she would help him load his
sailboat onto his car. Now, Diane would later say that the man sounded embarrassed, uh, probably because he
was, you know, a man asking a woman for help, but he he did also have his arm in
the sling. Now, Diane does decline helping the man. At approximately 400 p.m., another young woman is approached
by the stranger with wearing the arm sling. This time, he asked Lorie Adams if she would help him launch his boat.
You know, he's changing his what he, you know, his needs now. would you help me launch the boat? And now she quickly
declines. >> Well, he he already got the boat. Now he's bring it back. He has to launch it.
>> At 4:30, this man approaches 18year-old. She's 5'4 in tall. This Denise Nassinhu.
>> Now, Denise had an argument with her boyfriend earlier. She was there with her boyfriend and another couple. And
she's now off sitting by herself. This is near that East concession stand that we spoke of. Denise leaves with the
young man that approached her. This is witnessed by a Seattle Police Department employee. So, this is these are all
things that we know happened, >> right? But but Denise was there with her boyfriend.
>> Correct. >> And so they they get in a fight because, you know, men are stupid and we ruin fun
events. >> Well, and they're also young people, you know, young people argue about nothing
sometimes. >> Yeah. And then uh I don't know anything about arguing about nothing. I don't
know what you're talking about. Um, so then she gets in a fight with her boyfriend and then she's left with this
uh Ted guy. >> Yeah. Yeah. So earlier this Diane, she noticed the guy that approached her and
um she sees this other young woman sitting over by that East concession stand. Now this is when uh another this
is the Seattle Police Department employee notices the young man going up to Denise and sees the two of them
leaving together. They're leaving the area together. Now, Denise is never seen alive again after this situation.
>> So, what we know now is that these two women both disappeared. Both of them about the same age. And we know that
this quote unquote Ted person who is walking around introducing himself as Ted, asking for help with his sailboat.
He's approached multiple women um time out and time again and he's received two offers for help and both of the young
ladies that help him, they're not going to be seen again the rest of that day or
or ever again live. What we can figure out here is this TED person had taken Janice somewhere and kept her somewhere
alive, probably knocked out, probably bound, and then later he brought Denise to the same location. What took place
after this is a little uncertain, but we know we will know from later attacks and
later things that we will see in the case of the Ted murders that he probably attacked both of them and terrorized
them together and separately. Uh this was a person that would would would rape women as he terrorized them. And we have
a situation here where we now have two people being held captive and being terrorized together. One of them is
going to witness the other one being killed right in front of them, >> right? >> And that in itself is some kind of form
of mental torture. >> I mean, that's horrific. >> Well, and you're talking about a satist
of the highest level here. um someone that that extremely enjoys the the panic and the terror uh that he's instilling
into others. >> Oh yeah. And the control >> for days and days the people in the community, the law enforcement, they are
looking for these two young women. They they've gone missing. They've disappeared. Now, it is not until
September of 74, this is, you know, roughly less than two months later, a hunter stumbles upon some human remains.
This is about a mile from the lake Samish. Uh the FBI is called in for these to investigate and the FBI the FBI
would spend days and days there. I I believe they spent like nine or 10 days there searching the area.
>> Mhm. >> And what they end up coming up with in the end is that they find most of the
bones of the two victims. This being the two women that young women that were missing. Um, they do not find Janice's
skull, uh, but they find most of her her remains. Uh, they find women's clothing
that is unrelated to the two victims. And they also find some bones of an unknown female victim. And of course,
they find a crowbar. And that's why I had suggested earlier that maybe a crowbar was used in an attack to knock
out the the women or to or to beat the women, >> right? But this will all go back to
those earlier investigations of the disappearing women from the different campuses, college campuses. And this is
going to lead to something here. And it's going to give the police a break, so to speak. And it's also going to give
the community, it's going to open up the eyes of the people in the community. >> And we'll get into that right after this
beer break. And we're back. Cheers, everybody. >> Cheers. So, we're talking about the Ted
murders and how does this whole Lake Shemamish thing fall into place with what we were talking about earlier.
Well, we have a community where we have different young women being attacked. Some of them are disappearing from
campuses around the area and as we said, the community doesn't really know that there's something going on here where
there's links to these different cases. However, the eyes are opened after this attack at Lake Samameish on that day
where there's 40 to 50,000 people and two beautiful young women go missing and they're missing for days and days and
weeks and weeks and about 2 months later their their remains are found by the FBI.
>> Yeah. Again, a lot of people you have two pretty ladies that go missing and but we have this odd character that was
seen talking to the ladies >> and that's what's interesting about this. We we we now have a community that
knows something is going on. And we know that we have someone that is capable of
not only killing people, but capable of taking two women at the same place at the same time and and pulling that off
somehow. But on top of that, we had these detectives that thought that there might be something going on, but they
have no leads, right, Captain? They have nothing to go on because in most of these cases there's either no witnesses
or there's no bodies that are being found. And now >> well until the yeah until the lake um
>> now we have remains that have been found and on top of that we have witnesses and
we have something for the police to work with. We have a lead here. Now somebody
is going around a young man that appears to be in his mid20s maybe 25 and they have several descriptions of him. Mhm.
>> He's going around and he's talking to multiple women. These are descriptions that are that are coming forth from
women that were present that day as well as onlookers and other beachgoers and people that were at the park that saw
this person going up to these different women. >> And not only that, but you also have
women that actually talked to him, talked to this man named Ted. They're going to help this man. So, you're going
to get a better eyewitness account of those events than just some onlooker that saw this guy from 50 feet away.
>> And the police do something very interesting here. Um, they do a call to action to the community. And because
they realize that there are so many people at the park that day and they have a couple bits of information, they
have this one thing where the guy is using the name Ted. Well, that very well could be a fake name. Uh, you actually I
would assume that it would be a fake name. And I believe that they probably did too as well. Um, but
>> there's nothing wrong with fake names. >> But on top of that, they have a vehicle
description from Mary Osmer who walked over to the vehicle and said, "No, I can't help you." Um, and she saw this
same guy. She saw him walking off with Janice Aught just a half an hour later. >> Yeah. And the vehicle is a VW bug, but
it odd color tan. Well, it it some people call it a tan and other times it's been referred to as a bronze color.
Um, so >> still odd though. I mean, that's not the typical when I think VW Bug, I'm
thinking red or yellow. >> Yellow for some reason. Uh, but what the police do is they're going to reach out
to everybody in the community using uh their media sources and they're going to say, "You know what? We want anybody
that took photos that day, you know, maybe you saw something and you have something to report, but if you didn't
see anything and you happen to take a bunch of photos that day, bring us all of your photos and we would like to look
through them. Why? Because what they're trying to see here is they they know what kind of vehicle they're looking for
and they know roughly where the vehicle was parked. So, they want to they're going to scour through all these
pictures and they're going to try to see if they can spot the vehicle because they're hoping maybe they can get a
picture of the man standing near the vehicle. >> Yeah. Or the license plate. >> Exactly.
But the other thing that we're going to have here in the investigation is we are
learning about body dumping. And this is the FBI as well. And what they learned from this situation is that in slightly
less than two months time, the bodies that had been dumped there, they had not only fully decomposed to that of
skeleton remains, but the man calling himself also had one other thing on his side. Animals had scattered the remains
all over the hillside. And some of this was pretty good distances as well. Remember, we said it took them over a
week to find everything that they they ended up compiling at the end. And that ended up being the remains of two of I'm
sorry, two identified persons, one ident unidentified victim as well as the possible murder weapon, the crowbar,
right? Not full remains of a third victim, but you know, just I think fragments. It was, you know, but then
one of the victims was missing the skull, which is very odd as well. >> Mhm. But I wonder if the cops I wonder
if the FBI just assumed that because these victims were found in the wilderness if maybe that animal just
went off with it. I mean, I know that's a little gory and graphic, but >> that was their they they had actually
figured that out. Um they there were probably markings on some of the bones that would indicate such activity taking
place. And they really kind of just surmised that whoever dumped them just left the bodies there and walked away
from them and whatever had happened to the bodies during the de >> decomposition process was that animals
had scattered these pieces uh throughout the hillside. The other interesting thing to me is that the law enforcement,
FBI or the cops, they also, you know, not only looking through these pictures hoping to get license plate or a visual
of this man. Um, they also were compiling a list of guys named Ted >> and not just assuming again that if uh
that this you know perpetrator used a alias. Well, and that's where the investigation took a big spin where
before they were just investigating these random attacks that were taking place at different college campuses. But
the reason that they're able to make a link to this Lake Samish is that the the victimology here. You have victims that
they look similar. They're all of the same age. They're college age girls. They're young, attractive women. This
would be this person's victim type. And so that's why they end up starting to call this case the Ted murders because
that's the only thing they have to go off of is this person introducing himself as Ted. And at the time too we
have to discuss, you know, we have the FBI and we have persons involved in the FBI that are used to investigating these
type of cases, these serial murder cases. And one thing they start discussing amongst themselves is why
would this individual, if he is linked to these attacks at Lake Seamish, why would he jump make the leap from these
seemingly very successful murders that he's done where there's no witnesses, where there may not even be a body
found, there's no evidence, no leads. Here's someone that seems to be very good at what they're doing. And now all
of a sudden he's putting himself and doing this double event which is extremely risky behavior.
>> Yeah. Like we said 40 to 50,000 people and then you're taking two victims. You
know it's very it's very like you said risky behavior to get getting caught if the other crimes are connected to this.
>> And for decades people would speculate about this and they would wonder you know why make this leap? Was this
something that this Ted person set out to do that day? Was he did he wake up with the plan of going and taking two
women uh and putting them together and terrorizing them at the same time? >> Or did he just go to this event and you
know, you know, his um sickness, his addiction for murder, did it come to the surface and he just couldn't control
himself? And one thing that I heard brought up which is interesting, you know, a lot of these they say sometimes
these serial killers try to oneup each other. Um that there's like some of them that kind of compete or that they read
and study other serial killers and there's things that they want to mimic or or do better than than what they've
seen other killers do. Now, Jack the Ripper did a double event uh back in his day. And uh there's even been some This
is off the subject here, but there's even >> It's weird to call it an event. He did a
double murder. >> Yeah. And And in Jack's situation, he he the thought is that he killed one woman
on one side of town and then very quickly went to the other side of town and killed another woman. There's been
an interesting theory that's come out within the last year or two that speculates that Jack the Ripper was
actually two people working together and that were both linked close to the case
and being investigated at the time and maybe that they came up with this idea that okay, you kill you one half a Jack
Ripper go to this side of town and kill this girl and then >> you're there at the scene of the crime.
So >> you're you're almost a witness to this event, right? So, you cannot be a suspect in the other killing that took
place on the other side of town that's committed by the other, >> right? >> One half of Jack the Ripper, right? You
know, uh, this situation though, I don't I don't know that this was the TED person trying to outdo Jack the Ripper
or if this was something that he read about and fantasized about doing that. that's regarded as actually that's the
number one theory is that this was something that he he wanted to up the stakes that this was something that he
wanted to do that he always desired to take two victims at the same time. >> Well, yeah, if you're getting some
sensation from one murder, then you know up the ante get double the sensation from a double murder.
>> Yeah. and they they suspect that he always wanted to kill one victim in front of the other victim. Um, I'm gonna
go off on my own little thing here. I think what what I see out of this character is I think I see someone
that's just outright addicted to the act of capturing the women and terrorizing them and murdering them. And I think
it's it's like a drug to this person. And I think what happened was he went there that day with the expectation of
abducting one victim and maybe leaving afterwards. Uh however, I think once he got there and there's so many people,
there's so many gorgeous young women that are his victim type and I think that he got there and he he couldn't
it's like a kid in the candy store. He couldn't pick out just one. Uh, I mean, not only that, we see him going up to
woman after woman after woman after woman. I mean, he went up to eight or nine different ladies that day and he
ends up taking two. I think he just really wanted to kill them all, you know, too many victims and he wanted he
there were too many to choose from. So, he would allow himself to >> Well, in fairness, he has to find
somebody that's willing to help him. >> Mhm. And as I said, he approached woman after woman and he allowed himself to.
Who's to say that had he not reached whatever level of gratification that he was hoping to reach or that high that he
was chasing when he went there to the park that morning, who's to say that after two that if he hadn't reached that
high that there wouldn't have been three or four that same day. The King County police, they're finally armed with a
detailed description of their suspect as well as his car. They start posting flyers throughout the Seattle area and a
composite sketch was printed in regional newspapers and broadcast on local television stations. Now the tips start
coming in and they don't just come in. I mean they are pouring in. The police are
receiving approximately 200 tips per day because of the composite sketch as well
as the information about the vehicle and what had taken place at the park that day. Now amongst sprinkled into those uh
sprinkled into those tips are a few that we have to bring up. Okay, there's one really interesting one. First of all,
it's a uh University of Washington psychology professor. >> All right, so this tip number one.
>> Yep. This professor calls in the tip and says, "You know what? I have a student
at at the University of Washington and he's kind of an oddball and he's in my class and he has a VW bug and he looks
like the sketch that I'm seeing on the news and his name is Theodore Bundy. And here's tip number two. So, sprinkled in
with all those other tips, we have a lady by the name of Anne Rule. >> Now, she comes forward and says the same
thing. you know, I worked with this guy at this crisis hotline. He's he's my partner, which is weird because he's a
very nice guy and we're friends. Um, we're not >> Yeah, this is a a crisic hotline.
>> Crisis hotline. >> Yeah. Well, wow. >> It's too early. Um, >> no, but it's a it's basically like a
suicide call-in. You know, if if you're feeling like you're going to commit suicide, you call in. So, so it's it's
odd that Okay. one. Well, we know it's Ted. We know there's a guy named Ted. So, that he has that going against him.
Uh, we also, but it's he has a bug. But could you imagine if you're working this
basically a suicide hotline and you're working with this guy named Ted and you hear about these horrific murders, how
how much that would play with your psyche where well, why would he be helping people not die if but just to go
murder people? >> Well, and think about this too from Anne Rule's perspective. When do you think
that most of those crisis phone calls come in? They the majority of them are probably coming in in the late evening,
nighttime. So, picture this. She is alone with this TED person, this Theodore Bundy. And
>> yeah, they actually lock you in. >> They're working side by side manning the phones together for all hours of the
night. And not only that, they're she said, "We're we're friends. You know, we've gone to lunch together."
>> Yeah. He's a charming guy. >> Yeah. and she's a little bit older at the time and she she's doing that to
just kind of be a good person and donate her time. But the the crisis hotline, what they would do is they would pair
these older adults with uh college students that wanted to donate their time as well. Uh whether they're trying
to gain experience for things, I mean, we're seeing >> it looks good on the resume. this
person, if he ma matches up, if he's the same Theodore Bundy, this is somebody that is obviously taking psychology
classes at uh Washington University. >> Wait, do we have a third tip? >> The third tip is, and I'm I'm going to
give a fake name here because this person I I know their real name, and you can if you look on
>> Let's use the captain. That's a good fake name. >> Well, well, I have a fake name for it.
>> Uh but here's my little warning to everybody. If you want to, you can go out and you can find her real name if
that's that important to you. This person would go on later to write a book and she did not use her real name in the
book. So, I don't think it's fair for me to use her real name here. So, uh her her fake name is Liz Kendall. Now, Liz
Kendall, she says that uh I have a kind of on and off again boyfriend and his name is Ted Bondi and he matches the
description >> as well as he drives the vehicle that that was said to be at the park that
day. Um and she says I she does she she outwardly says to the detective on the phone, I don't suspect that he's the
killer. I I don't think he's capable of anything like that. But >> well this I mean she's having a a sexual
intimate relationship with this individual. So one would hope that you know you don't
pick the worst partners in the world like that. >> Yeah. And what happens is you know she
says she doesn't think it's actually him that he he couldn't kill anybody. He's too nice of a guy to do anything like
that. But because he looks so much like the drawing and because he has the same or similar vehicle, she felt compelled
to call in the top. >> Right. He looks like the drawing. He has the car and it's the same name.
>> Um this is this is the mind um bender for me. Could you imagine a guy in the Seattle, Washington area named Ted?
Guy's a little down on his luck, right? His name is Ted. Handsome man. And he has a tan VW bug. And then this
report comes out. >> But but you're not the killer. >> You don't have anything to do with it.
You're saying supposed hypothetically. >> How many Teds and not even a tan VW VW
bug, but just any TED with a bug in that area? What the heck their brain was going through at the time? like people
constantly just like, "Oh, there's Ted with his bug just giving you the dirtiest looks and you're just like,
"This wasn't me. It wasn't me." >> So, I know what's going on right now. Okay, we have listeners sitting at home.
They're in their car. They're on the subway. They're at work and they're going, "Wait a second. We're talking
about these murders that took place at the lake. We're talking about murders and disappearances that took place at
places at these different campuses. And now we got three people, three people that call in and they
>> but we have hundreds and hundreds of tips, >> but three that are saying specifically
Theodore Bundy. And of course, we can look back 40 years later and go, >> "Well, no [ __ ] Sherlock. Uh, why didn't
you start piecing this together?" >> Right? >> The problem, like the captain said, is
we have over 200 tips coming in per day. And now Robert Keell, who was one of the
lead investigators for the FBI at the time on the Ted Murders case, in his defense, in their defense years later,
he writes in his book the the specifics of what they were dealing with at the time. So by the time of n by June of
1975, here's what they're dealing with. This is, you know, less than a year after the Lake Shemish murders, okay?
They're dealing with 3,500 and sus 3,500 suspect names gathered throughout June of 1975.
>> And those are just Teds. >> Well, not entirely. Those are just suspects that have been called in
whether whether they're a suspect because a detective has put them on the list or because a tipster called it in
and put them on the list >> or maybe another police department said, "Hey, we got this suspicious guy. His
name's not Ted." But 3,500 people, that's a lot of people to sift through. >> Now, on top of that, here's some other
things that they're looking at in this case. >> They have 5,000 mental patients that
were released between the years of 1964 and 1974. We also have 41,000 registered owners of
Volt. >> Say that again. The the mental patients, >> there are 5,000 mental patients released
between the years of 1964 and 1974. >> So, that's a decade time. >> Yeah. Yeah. 5,000 would be a lot if we said it was
10 months or 12 months, but but it's over the course of a day. >> Yeah. Or if it's just all one day.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Just open up the doors. >> All right. See you guys later. >> Um, >> everybody's better.
>> There's 41,000 registered owners of Volkswagens. >> 41,000. >> Very popular car back then.
>> You also have >> My mother had one. >> You also have 300 campus vendors at the
University of Washington. you have 2,162 guests that stayed at a nearby hotel uh
of Lake Shamish of that weekend, >> right? >> So that those are people that came into
the area and then left, >> right? So again, if we if we uh take away the attacks and the murders that
were happening on the college campuses and just look at this as a you know, just an individual isolated event or
murder, I just use your word. M >> um then if if we just isolate it, then this could just be a commuter and where
are they coming from? They they could be coming from 6 hours away, 12 hours away.
Who knows? >> And I think if you're talking about that they only had 200 tips come in total and
one or two of them are of this Theodore Bundy person that matches the description with the
>> college this college student basically, right? >> That they would probably put that
together a lot sooner than what they had. However, we're talking about as far as tips go, a needle and a hay stack.
>> Mhm. >> Okay. So, >> well, actually like a few needles. >> Yeah. >> But it's still
>> all pointing to the same guy, I guess. >> Now, there are some officers that do
follow up on these uh TED uh tips that are coming in. >> The TED tips. >> Um so, but what they find, and I will
fault them a little bit on this. I won't fault them for the needle in the hay stack, but I'll fault them for this.
They very loosely look into this situation. They basically look into the background of this Theodore Bundy, and
they they come up with the idea that it's very unlikely that a cleancut law student with no adult criminal record
would be the perpetrator of this horrible, horrible crime. I mean, we're not talking about stealing something
from the local market. This is a double murder with the potential of a third victim. Uh this is the worst of the
worst. >> Yeah. Well, I like you said, I mean, profilingwise, I think they viewed it as somebody that
was taking their killings to the next level. And that's one of the reasons why the FBI started to encapsulate the other
murders into this event. And so to just think that, okay, if again, if these murders are not connected,
it's still the first time this guy commits a crime that, you know, is a double murder. That seems like a far
jump. I can see see the logic behind that thought. >> Yeah, a lot of the the more uh schooled
detectives and the the FBI, they do think that most these crimes are linked. Um not all of them, there's not a lot of
evidence pointing towards that, though. And the other thing when we're talking about numbers and statistics here,
another thing that they have to deal with is amongst those college campuses where these women disappeared, we're
talking about different college campuses, right? There's over 1500 people that transferred within that time
period out of those schools. So, you know, one could think when when a detective or a FBI agent is looking for
somebody that did something out of character that's absolutely horrible, most people the normal behavior is to
run as far away from that as possible. >> Yeah. >> And so, of course, they're going to look
at anybody that transferred during those time periods has to be a suspect and has
to find themselves on that suspect list, whether it be just for one of the cases
or all of them. Well, we have some connections, you know, like you were saying, the the the more I I it wouldn't
be experienced because it could just be an intellect thing that started seeing that there were connections. I mean, all
female victims, all roughly around the same age. Uh most had um evidence of binding on the hands.
>> U strangulation probably in most of the cases. Well, but again, a lot of these
bodies they've not found and >> Oh, right. Right. >> But one thing you do, one thing you do
have on your side that helps you link them is the short time frame. This is all taking place in the year of 1974.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean, that's that's pretty quick. >> Um, so we talked about, you know,
running as far away, a normal person would run as far away from their bad deeds as possible. Uh, what we do see
here is in August of 1974, this is just one month after the double event. uh Ted Theodore Bundy. Well, that's
Theodore Bundy. Uh he gets accepted to the University of Utah and he moves to Salt Lake City. And during this transfer
process for Mr. Bundy, the the police, the King County police and the FBI, they're going through they're
experiencing something new for the first time. >> Okay. Not only do they have a very
complicated investigation, this is this is what they're realizing. They're realizing that, you know what,
all this paperwork and all these tips, following up on all these tips, categorizing them, and putting them into
some kind of order that makes sense is a whole another job on itself. The paperwork portion and the recordkeeping
actually became more cumbersome than the actual investigation. Why? Because guess
what? If I'm a if I get a good tip, >> well, I need to I need to go and look through the other tips and see if I can
match that up with anything. Well, we're getting 200 tips a day. How do I sift through thousands and thousands of tips
to see if that if it matches up with anything else? >> And and now with today's technology, we
could take all those tips and we could put them into computer system and we could have the computer find those uh
similarities there. Uh back in 75 this didn't happen, right? Well, what they come up with is they come up with a
pretty intricate uh cataloging system that involves 3x5 index cards. And I won't get into the whole intricacies of
this this system that they come up with. >> You don't want to like true crime dork
it out real quick. >> But they >> three hours later. And then what they did, >> they come up with a way that it's easier
for the detectives and for the persons receiving the tips to categorize them and to link them together in a much more
efficient way. Uh, one good idea that the FBI comes up with is that we need to come up with our 100 best TEDs. Okay? So
whether your name is the captain or whether your name is Nick or whether your name is Ted, if you fit certain
criteria, you could end up being labeled as one of the 100 best Teds. >> And we'll we'll start narrowing it down
from there. And the reason being is because you've got to conduct this investigation with a certain amount of
haste because you you expect at some point your suspect could flee, could end up in prison for something else. He
could just go away and make it harder for you to have an investigation to complete your investigation and find
him. So they've got to figure out how they can speed this process up, >> which I mean this is all interesting
like the the search for this guy to be on the other side of things. Normally when we see a documentary um it's based
off the you know how the serial killer grew up and his his uh relationship between him and his mother and stuff
like that to me and then also once we it becomes a Hollywood movie then it like we we
glorify these people and we glamorize them and it's oh they're so great. Um I I prefer when you know there should be
more documentaries on the actual investigation to find this person. >> Mhm. >> Because that's science and and some of
it it's just by happen stance or luck. But but to me that's super fascinating. >> Well, and what they the reason being
too, Captain, is that they would use these methods. They were like coming up with these methods as they you know as
they were working the case. you know, they'd go home every night and go, "Well, how can we make this work better?
How can we make this more efficient?" And they came up with this whole process. >> Well, and there's lives on the line. I
mean, they're they're you know, innocent, you know, you know, let's by all accounts just assume they're sweet
people and and and females nonetheless. So, I mean, so you know, these detectives are going that we need to
solve this. We need to get closer to solving this or there will be more victims.
>> Yeah. And but some of this process is still used today when you have a huge investigation. This is kind of the
birthplace of these type types of investigations. So the best way to kind of describe this whole situation that
they set up, their whole tactic here is think of a giant spreadsheet, right? And
you could have listed on it uh a hundred different guys, okay? And on this spreadsheet, you're going to have
different criteria. And some of those guys will check a certain number of those boxes. Well, the more boxes that
you check, the higher your name is up on this 100 best Teds list. And their thought was that they could put three
detectives in charge of the 100 best Teds. And that those three detectives working that list over the course of one
year should either be able to find the suspect or clear all 100 names. So, they've now put themselves on a on a
deadline for finding this Ted. And the way that you could work yourself up and be higher on the list is having more
checks on those different criteria. You know, who actually has the name Ted? Or was was this person known to use the
alias Ted? >> Does this person have a VW bug? Do they have access to a VW bug? How close do
they fit the description? Are they height, weight, age, things of that nature? How many tips are coming in with
this person's name? Was he on the list because of a detective, because of the FBI, because of a tip that came in? All
these different things will factor in to figure out how high and how likely you are to be the actual TED that they are
seeking. While the King County Police Department and the FBI are putting together their list of the 100 be best
Teds, we have our Ted Bundy that they are actually looking for who is now located in Salt Lake City. Now, there's
another event that's going to take place. This is in the late afternoon of November 8th. Ted Bundy approached an
18-year-old telephone operator. Her name is Carol Danch. And this is at one of those malls. This is at the Fashion
Place Mall in Murray, Utah. R. Ted identified himself as Officer Rosland of the Murray Police Department. He told
Carol Danch that someone had attempted to break into her vehicle. Now, he's asked her to go with him back to the
police department because he needs to take an official report of the incident and that she might even be able to
identify the person that they believe they have in custody for the attempted breakin.
>> She agrees to go with him um and to go file this complaint. Now on this trip she does point out to uh this officer
Roslin that he is not going the right direction that that he was driving you know completely wrong direction to the
police department. >> Uh during this time she is starting to get weary and she's starting to question
who this person that she's act absolutely with. >> Well and and it's not clear but I don't
think he's dressed as a police officer. No, he he's he's um >> he's in street clothes.
>> Correct. And she asked to for him to provide some form of identification. >> She should have done that before she got
in the car. >> She said that he >> and she gets in the bug, >> right? >> Yeah. >> You're offduty police officer driving a
a bug. Okay. >> I think she just thought he might have been some kind of detective. And uh she
asked for this identification. She says that he does kind of quickly flash a badge. Uh, and she does say that the
badge looked pretty suspect. And when she started to get nervous and when she started to get visibly,
>> it was one of those uh star badges that just say sheriff on it. >> Yeah. You just buy it at the uh the
local general store there. >> Buck. Yeah. Um, but she says once she becomes visibly nervous and she is thinking
about getting out of this vehicle, he tries to handcuff her. He and what what's happening now, Captain? He's
attacking her and during this scuffle that's taking place in the vehicle, he slaps a handcuff on her and he's got one
wrist handcuffed, right? He's trying to get the handcuff on the other wrist. What takes place is he accidentally puts
the handcuffs, both cuffs on the same wrist. He thinks that he's got her where he wants her. Well, she's able to she's
able to continue the struggle and she later gets out of the out of the vehicle and escapes this person that she was
told was a police officer. Now, you would think having abducted this woman, pretending to be a cop, and then in a
scuffle inside the car, and she escapes, and she's even got a bit of evidence with her because she's got the the
handcuffs around her wrist now, >> right? >> So, she has something of yours. You
would think that this this person would then say, "You know what? I've had enough for one day. This didn't go well
for me. I I have somebody that can identify me." we got into an altercation. This is problematic for me,
especially knowing the history that this person has. However, we're talking about
somebody that cannot that probably cannot control themselves or their desires, >> right? The urge.
>> So, Ted Bundy then remembers that he knows that there is a production going on, you know, a theater production at a
high school. Now, this is only about 19 miles away. Now, who are we talking about here? We're talking about Ted
Bundy. We're talking about a person that loves to drive. >> Really? We're >> No, but we're talking about somebody
that loves to drive and loves to troll and loves to kind of hunt for these victims, whether it be a person, you
know, that he's going to use a ruse to obtain or if it's somebody that he's going to seek out. Uh, but this is
somebody that is is always on the prowl. >> Yeah. He's constantly coming up with
these cons >> and these schemes of how can I find new victims? Well, for whatever reason, he
had seen either seen a um he had got a hold of a brochure for one of these high school theater productions, right?
>> And this pops in his head immediately. You know, this potential victim just escaped. Now, I need to go find a new
victim. I I can't I got to I got to reach this high, this climax that I've been looking for that I set out for. So,
now I need a new victim. So, I'm going to drive 19 miles away. He drives to the Vmont High School. Now, this is where
the theater production is just letting out. And there's again, this is a situation where we have a lot of people
at the high school. This is a high-risk situation for this this suspect. And when he's there, he is
>> We don't have to call him the suspect anymore. Ted. Right. >> Right. Right. Sorry.
>> The suspect. Like, we don't know who he is. It's Ted. Well, Ted is later seen
he's seen pacing at the rear of the at the parking lot that's behind the theater portion of the school. Yeah. So,
he's seen by multiple people being back there. Now, while he's there, he's again
approaching different people and he's asking them, you know, he's telling them that he's a police officer and that he
>> he's still going with it. >> Yeah. and that he he's there's things going on with these vehicles and he
needs you to come over and identify this car or he needs you to come over and speak with him. At some point, we do not
know exactly how, but outside of the auditorium, he is able to lure Deborah Jean Kent. She's only 17 years old.
She's a student at the Vumont High School. And he lures her and he takes her. Now,
she's never seen again, >> right? And we don't know if there was a con, you know, or if it if it was just him
grabbing her, you know, physically removing her. >> And we we can surmise that. Yeah. That
you're exactly right. One of two things happened. He either tricked her or he may have just panicked and just grabbed
somebody and took off. Now, a lot of people would your first thought is, well, how do you make this jump
immediately from Carol Danch to this 17-year-old girl at the high school that's 19 miles away? Well, the the body
of Debbie of Deborah Kent has never been found. >> Mhm. >> However, what they do find in the
parking lot, excuse me, of the high school, they find a small key. Well, what is that key? That key when you put
it into the handcuffs that were on Carol Danch wrist. >> Oh yeah. >> It opens up the handcuffs. So we know
that the same person that took Carol Danch took this 17-year-old girl. >> Yeah. Well, that's I mean that's some
fascinating [ __ ] right there. >> Yeah. Well, the thing is what we're seeing here again, Captain, is what in
my opinion is a guy that's absolutely addicted to this form of behavior. addicted to these acts and these events,
these terrible events. What What are we seeing? We're seeing the same thing that we saw at Lakes
Shemameish where he cannot stop himself. He cannot control himself. He's he's already at risk of getting caught
because the potential victim gets away. And rather than coming down off of that high, he's got to go immediately to
where he knows there's a large group of people and seek out a new victim, putting himself at bigger risk of
getting caught. He's even seen walking and talking to people in the parking lot,
>> right? Less than 30, 40 minutes, he's already attacking a new victim. >> And what we're going to see here too,
Captain, is repeated behavior. So, what happened when things started getting hot
in the state of Washington? Well, all of a sudden, this Ted Bundy had to transfer
to Utah to go to school in Utah. He didn't need to transfer to go to Utah. He he transferred because there's he's
seen drawings of himself on the news and in the newspaper. People were even calling in and identifying him by name
to the police. It got hot there, so he fled. >> Well, he's going to remain in Utah.
However, he's going to start driving quite a big distance to achieve this high that he's always seeking. He's
going to drive out to the state of Colorado. And in 1975, he's going to attempt and abduct and attack and kill
about five or six women in the state of Colorado in 1975. Now, this is all going to come to a head
because in 1975, August 16th, Ted Bundy is arrested. Now, I want to go ahead and
throw out there, everybody's going to go, "Well, we know this story, Nick." No, I don't think that everybody does
because this is often reported as something as little as it was a routine traffic stop. And it isn't that how
you've always heard it reported? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I've heard it reported >> pretty common.
>> reported that way multiple times. And this is what I get very upset about. >> Almost like the cops got lucky.
>> Exactly. Well, that's not what took place. That's not what took place at all.
>> Well, speak the truth, my friend. Well, and here's the other thing that I want
to let me just kind of dive into this. >> True Crime Garage. >> One thing that I get very angry about
when we talk about Ted Bundy is there's there's a few things that always come up. You know, people say, well, you
know, he had a rough childhood. Well, that's actually not the truth. You know, a lot of people will say, well, that his
his mother was pretending to be on that sister. >> We differ on that. >> You got to let me vent for a little bit.
The the thought here is that his mother was pretending to be his sister because she had him out of wedlock at a young
age and that's something that you didn't do back then. So then his grandparents become his parents and that they're
going to he's going to grow up believing this for all of his childhood life. And
that's absolutely not the truth. His mother and him moved away from the grandparents home when he was about six
or seven. So maybe this took place, but if it did, it only took place for the very early stages of his life. And how
did he know pretty quickly into his life that his mother was not his sister and was in fact his mother was because when
they moved to Washington, she got remarried and he was raised by her and his stepfather from a young age and
though and her and his stepfather had four children. So they he he had a more quote unquote normal childhood than most
would agree with. The other thing too is that there's this thought that his grandfather fathered him with his mother
and that is absolutely there there's no truth to that at all. That's at best it's just a bad neighborhood rumor that
may have come up. I don't know where it came along. I I think it probably came along through the
>> Well, there's some validity to this because one of Ted Bundy's lawyers heard these claims and their um office then
investigated it and he says on record that he feels like he had enough evidence to prove it, but he didn't have
the smoking gun to say yes for certain that Ted Bundy's uh grandfather was his father. I'm glad you brought that up
because I had wondered always wondered where that rumor or that story originated from and maybe that's the
birthplace of it. Um but but from what I've everything that I've seen >> well because afterwards hindsight it was
like how how did this sicko happen? >> You know everybody wanted to find these reasons. Oh was porno you know porno you
know his addiction to porno or maybe he was dropped when he was a baby. They were trying to find all these answers
and I think that's where it came from. Well, maybe it's like a birth defect or, you know, some sort of um incest.
>> Well, yeah. Society wants answers. You don't believe, nobody wants to believe
that a young, good-looking, somewhat seemingly successful college student, uh, law student is going to go on and
murder as many women as he possibly can, right? Um, but from everything that I've
seen is that his mother had an onag again offagain relationship uh with this man for for many years and he fathered
Ted Bundy and Ted got his last name from his eventual stepfather. However, the his real father didn't want to have
kids, didn't want to have a didn't want to settle down and get married. And this
I don't have the the man's name in front of me, but it sounds like this is something that he did uh more than once
uh throughout his lifetime. Um but but the real reason for my venting here is that I believe things like that are over
sensationalized. you know that they that they almost champion the killer when they when you see the biographies and
when you see the documentaries on Ted Bundy, both of those things usually come up about his mother pretending to be his
sister and they they kind of gloss over it and give the impression that that took place over the course of his entire
childhood and that's just not the case. Now, the thing that that makes me angry is that when something good and
something positive actually happens in a story like this, they don't spend any time on it. And this is what I'm talking
about. I'm talking about the apprehension of Ted Bundy. This took place in the sub in a suburb
of Salt Lake City. This is in Granger. Now, this is just good oldfashioned police work. And this is the stuff that
should be championed when we're talking about stories like this. We have Officer
Haywood. Now, who is he? He's just a local cop, but he's a he's damn good at his job, right? My hat is off to Officer
Haywood here because >> you know, he might have been a slouch, but he did this one thing good.
>> Well, I believe that especially if you're in a smaller town like this, that it is very important to your job as a
police officer, that you know your town, and that you know your town's people and
you know what's going on and in and around your town. Now, he's sitting there at the end of his shift and he's
filling out his police log for the day and his paperwork, anything, you know, whatever they do at the end of their
shift. And during the course of this, while he's sitting there, he sees this bug, this VW pass him more than once.
And he this is not a vehicle that he recognizes from the town, >> right in the neighborhood.
>> So, immediately he's on alert. You know, when you when you see somebody come into
your town that you don't recognize the vehicle, this is good old-fashioned police work. And what's going on in this
area is there is a home that is very close by where the officer is parked and he's filling out his paperwork. Now, who
is this home belong to? This belongs to people that he knows that are on vacation. They're away and the home is
only being occupied by the two older teenage daughters. Now he sees this V VW bug almost, you know, more than once,
almost like like a shark circling its prey where it he he believes that that this vehicle has an interest in that
home, >> right? >> And so now he's he's very curious about this vehicle. >> So using his cop car, he's going to
approach the vehicle and attempt to do a routine traffic stop. Mhm. >> Well, the car does not want to pull over
and this turns into a bit of a chase, but it's not like it's not like a super crazy, you know, like you see on TV cops
chase, >> right? Wasn't an OJ chase, >> but but the the person in the car clearly doesn't want to be pulled over.
>> Eventually, he's pulled over and during the course of which the officer Heywood
makes several observations. The first thing that he notices is that the the front seat of the VW bug is not it's not
like secured. It's not it's not screwed in, which is which is extremely rare. It's odd.
>> Yeah. And so he starts to question the driver and he wants to know, you know,
what's what's your backstory? Who are you and why are you here? And the person driving the vehicle explains that his
name is Ted Bondi and that he's a law student in college and that uh he was just in town and he was he he was in
town to see a movie. Um well, what movie were you seeing? And he was seeing the Towering Inferno is what Ted Bundy says.
Well, the officer says he knows his town. The local theater is not showing that movie. So again, he's on high
alert. He's not believing anything that this guy says and he wants to search the
vehicle. Once he searches the vehicle, he finds what he believes is a burglar kit. And inside this kit, there's
there's more other things here, but you he sees panty hose, uh a flashlight, a ski mask, handcuffs, a crowbar, an ice
pick. Uh and he also finds quite a bit of gas receipts. And now that he has the car open, he's also notice noticed that
the door latch handle is missing from the passenger side door, >> right? Which is odd as well.
>> And this Ted Bundy that he pulled over is dressed all in black. Well, here's some strange things here. He's thinking
to himself, well, a young a young handsome college man who should be at college trying to pick up a woman.
Instead, he's in the middle of this suburb driving around in the middle of the night dressed all in black. This
doesn't make sense to me. And this is where uh Ted Bundy is picked up and apprehended and he's arrested on
suspicion of burglary. And he he would be asked by the officer, "What are these items for?" And he says, "Well, you
know, I I'm a skier, so that's why I have a ski mask." Um, right. >> Well, what's the handcuffs for? you
know, uh, well, I'm a law student and I use these in class, too, when we give our presentations. Uh, so Mr. Bundy's
got answer for everything. >> Uh, but regardless of his answers, he finds himself behind bars.
>> All right. So, now we got Ted Bundy in jail, and there's so much more to talk
about this, so we're going to have to do that in another part. >> Yeah, I think that covers us for the Ted
Murders portion of this case. Little recommended reading for you today. I want to recommend The Bundy Murders, a
comprehensive history. This is by Kevin M. Sullivan. Uh, I really like this book. This book came out just a few
years ago, but one thing that we're always searching for, you know, >> it's like, you know, it's kind of like
Jack the Ripper. There's a hundred books out there, right, Ted Bundy? There's there's so many books out there. And to
be honest with you, there's only probably a handful, maybe 10 that are good, that are great books out there.
This is definitely one of them. >> So, uh, the reason why this one's so good is it just came out a few years
ago. And at first, my initial thought was, "Oh, great. Another Bundy book. This this Kevin M. Sullivan just wants
to make a name for himself by telling the same old story that's been told a hundred times." That's not the case.
There's plenty of new information in this book. So, if you've read other Bundy books, this is one that you'll
want to pick up. Uh, plenty of new information. He does a really good job of taking later confessions and later
discussions with Bundy, things that would happen much further down the line, and piecing them together with with the
things that were missing from the investigations. Uh, and he he's completing the story, if you will.
>> Yeah. Looking back on it, hindsight. >> Yeah. So, that's the Bundy Murders, a a
comprehensive history by Kevin M. Sullivan. You can pick that up by going to our website and click on the
recommended page. We have our books listed there. >> Yeah. And uh if you go to uh true
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1974 Washington State- Young beautiful ladies were disappearing at several college campuses. Some were last seen walking on campus, returning home and one unfortunate woman was snatched in the middle of the night as she slept in her bed. Of course women disappearing is a problem but no one seemed to understand just how big of a problem the Pacific Northwest was experiencing. Well the eyes of the entire community were opened wide in July of 1974 when the abductor of young women struck at the Lake Sammamish State Park. The park was extremely busy that day as temperatures reached ninety degrees and several large companies hosted their company and family picnics. It is estimated between forty and fifty thousand people visited the park for fun in the sun on that warm July Sunday. One of the attendees was not a person at all but merely the devil all dressed up like a young man. Two of the young ladies near the beach were fooled by the devil and lured to their deaths. This week we are hot on the trail of Ted Bundy as we talk about what investigators were calling the Ted Murders

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Brief Summary

The episode details the Ted murders, focusing on Ted Bundy's abductions, the investigation, and his eventual capture.

Key points

The Ted Murders Case. The episode dives into the chilling case of Ted's murders, starting with Rhonda's encounter.
A Dangerous Detour. Rhonda's seemingly innocent ride turns sinister when Ted reveals his intentions.
Janice's Encounter. Janice meets Ted and agrees to help him, unaware of the danger ahead.
The Disappearance of Two Women. Two young women go missing after being seen with a man named Ted.
Community Awareness. The community becomes aware of the danger after the disappearance of the women.
Tips Pour In. Police receive a flood of tips after releasing a composite sketch of the suspect.

Episode highlights

Episode quotes

I thought we were taking me to the zoo.

Rhonda questions Ted's detour, sensing something is off.

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Tension

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